Get over it.

It might all come into law and be accepted by some , but I am entitled to my opinion and I will give if you get offended by that well that is just tough* I was going to add more to the word tough , but I am better than that so you can get over it.

At least my opinion is being voiced.

I will not be the pansy that some Christians can be.

I will not be the pansy that some Christians can be.

-- Posted by michaelbell on Wed, Mar 26, 2008, at 5:21 PM

Pansy huh? Because they don't want to be judgemental and equate the fall of empires to transgendered people? Perhaps they are just a bit wiser and learn to make some sense before they speak.

AMEN! Michael feels it is his place to again place to play God's role and judge people.

So far I have notice one pattern, Michael and most Republicans are so hell bent on taking away rights from people who DON'T EVEN HAVE ANY, rather than being true Christians and living, communicating, and respecting every person from all walks of faith.

What Michael's lovely "Christian" article forgets to make important is that the majority of transgendered people were born with either both sex hormones, and had to make a choice, or every feature about them resembled one sex except the "plumbing"... I wonder who made those people in his image, God? Yet, Michael says it's his right to deny them everything including respect.

Darrick_04, you also made an excellent point - I forgot to say that in my last blog. ~Phoenix

Mr. Bell,

How can you possibly say that empires have fallen due to people who want to be male of female? I want you to explain to me - with accurate, credible sources - how other empires have fallen due to people being born the wrong gender or being born asexually.

Also, I PRAY that America is not an empire. The moment we are...well, it's to Australia or England with me. Just because in your eyes were are an empire and should have religion everywhere does not mean everyone agrees (and with those conditions, wouldn't we be the fourth reich?).

(In my eyes, there was only one Empire in the universe - a long, long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away, and Darth Vader was second in command.)

Can we start a fund for him? I'll put in some money for that!

Sorry, Michael, I must have missed when you were given the right to judge. Do I personall agree with being gay or transgender? No, but I can only imagine for some of these people how hard it is to deal with. Many have committed suicide because they do not like feeling attracted to the same sex, or uncomfortable in their own bodies. I know some do it because they want to experiment. That is between them and God. I understand it is right to stand up for what you believe in , but not to judge others who differ. have you just tried to show people what God's love can do? Your are just as guilty for hateful thoughts and actions as those who sin in other ways. Who would want to try and even find out about god's love when all they see from you is hate and wrath?

As far as gays being together, if God intended this he would have made it where both sexes could have children. It takes one man and one woman ,just like God intended for marriage. He made Adam. He did not want Adam to be alone so he made out of him woman. Woman is for the man. That's why when you are married you are as "one". Works together like a puzzle! When you look from the front you do not piece together. Not natural, and we all know the back is intended for other things. Now that I've said more than I should I'm going to stop.

-- Posted by Annette 5 on Wed, Mar 26, 2008, at 9:55 PM

I guess God had the same thing in mind when millions of women who got married to men couldn't reproduce... We've been through this time and time again. You need to do your research. The last sentence sums up your knowledge of the situation.

Where did aids come from? When men started putting things places they shouldn't. There's always punishment for our actions.

I guess God had the same thing in mind when millions of women who got married to men couldn't reproduce...

The point is men no matter what they do can not sleep with another man and have a child.

For whatever reason a woman cannot have a child, the possibility is there. Not with men.

-- Posted by Annette 5 on Wed, Mar 26, 2008, at 10:08 PM

AIDS DID NOT COME FROM GAY MEN..... IT'S CALLED RESEARCH!!!! Do NOT play that card. You seriously need to look into your misguided soul and see if what you've been taught to believe is anything more than B/S.

It's always lovely to name AIDS as your reason for disliking Gay people... So what about the millions of children who suffer EVERYDAY? Do you know how often a child falls victims to AIDS? Every 14 seconds. The U.S.A has one of the lowest amount of cases of AIDS/HIV, the same goes for France, Italy, England, etc and everyone of those have a large gay population. It stems from a completely different continent.

So what, not everybody who gets married NEED children. God's original purpose was for humans to multiply on his earth. Now we are reaching a unheard of 7 BILLION people. Did you ever think that God has a creative way of Population control? Or does your mind have such a narrow view of things, that you can't consider it?

Who says the only reason a person can be with another person is for sex? Who says that the only reason a person can love another is for a child? There are plenty of married heterosexual couples who do not have sex and do not have children but love each other very much. There are homosexual men/or women who are together because they care about and love each other. What sex they have is really none of anyone's business. Sex is and should be a private thing. Why God made us the way we are is a mystery that can only be solved once we talk with him face to face. I can only feel that his is sad to see such judgment on the very thing he loves so much -- his people. Each and every one of us. Love is a peculiar thing, it captures us when we least expect it and with someone we may not think it could happen to. Why should homosexuals not get married? How could it possibly affect heterosexual marriages? It can't. It is a fear tactic that those who have nothing better to do but pick on those they don't understand and feel "superior" because they aren't like "them." Grow up. It's time We humans realize that each of us are individuals and have differences and enjoy the variety. If you are a woman and want a man, great, another woman, if that is your thing, men want women, men? whatever. Just keep the personal stuff private. All of us. I don't like seeing people fornicating in the streets regardless of their preferences. Anyway...just a thought.

Thank you Darrick.

Did you know that AIDS actually came from the green monkey in Africa? Through consumption of the monkey - usually raw - AIDS was spread on. Yes, it first appeared in America through gay men, but that is no reason to condemn them. Men cheating brought it to their wives. Unclean needles spread it. And in the beginning, hemophilic children caught it because they needed frequent blood transfusions. Are you damning them all? Especially the children, or the innocent wives, or patients of sloppy doctors? There are a number of people who get AIDS through unhealthly sources, like drugs, sex, etc., but that is not a reason to not help them.

Before criticizing, ma'am, do some research. It might just help you.

I said children are victims. I'm not saying it's their fault.

Its not ok for Michael to give his opinion about homosexuals or transgendered people, but its ok for everyone else to judge him for his opinion. Hmmm...doesnt sound quite fair to me. These sexual perversions are just the begining of the moral breakdown in our society. I believe we have slipped past the point of rescue. and Darrick_04 its not only the republican party thats taking our freedoms, I belive the democrats have done more than their share in that regard.

These sexual perversions are just the begining of the moral breakdown in our society. I believe we have slipped past the point of rescue. and Darrick_04 its not only the republican party thats taking our freedoms, I belive the democrats have done more than their share in that regard.

-- Posted by greasemonkey on Wed, Mar 26, 2008, at 10:27 PM

WRONG. Nobody is judging Michael.. We want him to prove which "empires" have fallen b/c of his LUDICROUS statement.

And

darrick there is one thing you know..it all.

-- Posted by Annette 5 on Wed, Mar 26, 2008, at 10:27 PM

Forgive me for KNOWING what I say, before I say it... But I accept the concession speech.

But I accept the concession speech.

what the heck does that mean?

That's why our Lord and Savoir Jesus Christ was so special. No comparison.

That's why our Lord and Savoir Jesus Christ was so special. No comparison.

-- Posted by Annette 5 on Wed, Mar 26, 2008, at 10:35 PM

Right.. Except that you completely contradict yourself.

Well, politics now, how interesting. Both parties have had their paws into the working man's pockets for decades. But the republicans have done some really detestable things these last eight years. The economy is in the toilet, gas prices keep rising, employment and wages are not keeping up with the rise in costs, we are in a war that cannot be won, we have lost over 4000 young men and women to this war, we are trillions in debt (we weren't in debt at all when bush took over) The administration uses fear and paranoia to keep the people in line. Citizens phones are tapped, our emails are read, airlines seize and search, medicaid has been reduced so that over 32 million AMERICANS cannot get healthcare. Medicare costs are horrendous and medicines are reduced so that our seniors are unable to take prescribed medications because they cannot affort the atronomical pharmaceutical costs. when the senate and congress proposed to stop torture, our dear president vetoed the bill. As Americans we are supposed to abhor that type of behavior. Doesn't he realize if we do it to the other side, they will do it to our boys and girls over there? We have lost an enormous amount of respect from not only the enemy countries but our friendly countries. So...vote republican if you must, but they have done a great deal of damage these last eight years and it will take a long long time to undo what has been done. Oh, and they have made it clear that it's all the gay's fault. If it weren't for the gays and the hispanics all would be ok...how stupid does our government think we are?

It takes one man and one woman ,just like God intended for marriage. He made Adam. He did not want Adam to be alone so he made out of him woman. Woman is for the man. That's why when you are married you are as "one". Works together like a puzzle! When you look from the front you do not piece together. Not natural, and we all know the back is intended for other things. Now that I've said more than I should I'm going to stop.

-- Posted by Annette 5 on Wed, Mar 26, 2008, at 9:55 PM

Explain how this applies to the 'Virgin' Birth..

Jesus is the only one that came into this world in that way. I can't believe I have to explain this. God has only sent 1 son.

Jesus is the only one that came into this world in that way. I can't believe I have to explain this. God has only sent 1 son.

-- Posted by Annette 5 on Wed, Mar 26, 2008, at 10:43 PM

You have to explain it because it contradicts the very statement you can't stick to now.

blah blah blah. You use big words. You must be a small man with a loud voice. We all know how Aids is transferred, I said how did it get started? and I'm sitting here explaining to jesuslovesevery1 that God only sent 1 son and that Mary had the only virgin birth.

Aids like I said was spread when men started putting things in places they shouldn't..whether it be monkeys, other men, then transferred to women, through the blood that's donated to children accepting this transfussion. What's more to be said?

You say God's purpose for man was for each of them to have a woman

-- Posted by nascarfanatic on Wed, Mar 26, 2008, at 10:50 PM

I want you to find where I said that.

What's more to be said?

-- Posted by Annette 5 on Wed, Mar 26, 2008, at 10:51 PM

That it is NONE of your business what other people do. You didn't ask the states to vote on YOUR right to marry. You don't have people trying to take rights from you that you don't currently have. You don't suffer the astonishing ridiculing from uneducated citizens who like to blame ALL the world's problems on minorities. Minorities who once had no voice, and now they do. You just don't like that you have to contend with someone on the issue.

God gave the right for man and woman to marry. Not the states. The reason they fight for things like that is because it's not natural.

Ahh, Darrick you warm an old woman's heart. May you keep on thinking...That's what many do not do!

God gave the right for man and woman to marry. Not the states. The reason they fight for things like that is because it's not natural.

-- Posted by Annette 5 on Wed, Mar 26, 2008, at 11:00 PM

LOL... Do you have any idea of all the things the Bible calls unnatural?

1)Shellfish

2)Clothing made of TWO different fabrics

3)Eating rabbits

4)Eating pork

5)A man lying with his woman during "that time of the month"

6)Sewing two different seeds in the same field

None of these people lobbied Congress for it to be made legal...

A:He did not want Adam to be alone so he made out of him woman. Woman is for the man. That's why when you are married you are as "one". -- Posted by Annette 5 on Wed, Mar 26, 2008, at 9:55 PM

OMG, another Christian hypocrite? Does Hell have enough room for these people?

-- Posted by nascarfanatic on Wed, Mar 26, 2008, at 11:00 PM

Like I said find where I said "man's purpose is for each of them to have a woman. I believe what you copied and pasted said nothing like that. Get off!

-- Posted by Annette 5 on Wed, Mar 26, 2008, at 11:03 PM

Explain the difference then. That's right, there isn't... Change the words, the meaning stays the same. Good night

And when the Bible was written a man could have 9,10, or as many wives as he wanted... Do you agree that it should still be that way? Make up your mind. Because that is in the Bible too!

If you read the bible that was up until the 10 commandments. Of course stubborn people still try and do this.God made the rules!

Grannyapple,

So the Bush single handedly done all those things with no help whatsoever from congress. LOL. I dont like Bush either but when my tire went flat I didnt blame it on him. Im just saying that Republicans alone didnt do all those things. To think that is just silly. Its like telling kids that if they dont brush their teeth that the boogeyman will get them. We also have lost less servicemen during wartime than peacetime. We lose between 1500 and 2000 servicemen a year during peacetime due to training accidents or whatever. Any loss of life by these brave men and women is horrible, but to blame every single one of those deaths on the republicans is insane.

OK, Now.

The breakdown of morality is a fastrack to the decline of any people. You look at diseases that have been spread, because of sexual immorality. If sex had been kept between a husband and wife then we wouldnt have 1/3 of the disease we have now. I am not saying we should make it against the law to be homosexual or transgender, but they shouldnt be allowed to marry. Some people cant marry their sisters or their farm animals when they want to, so are those peoples rights being violated, also.

Parkerbrothers,

It appears your homophobia even has you a little paranoid. You are a one-tuned man indeed, because, even as you close off the evening, you can't help but say: "What in the world did you say to bring them all out of the woods (or closet) at once on you". It seems like those you criticize are comfortably in their sexuality; are you?

I don't know...Why don't you tell me? Since you seem to know everything, I'm sure you can also inform everyone here of the cause of AIDS, how to cure it, and the recent developments made in treating it.

Tonight has not been a gay rally. It has been people defending the beliefs and rights of others on a blog page. I can understand that an uptight 50 year old man can hold homophobic tendencies, but the use of "Ben-gay" on a sore spot and the lightening the loafers remarks only show how immature you are. I guess just because you grow older doesn't mean you grow up.

You have continually claimed that you want to know nothing about anyone's sexuality on here - and yet you continue to throw it in our faces. So what if people are gay? God created them, too. And as long as they have the love of God and accept Christ, then what does it matter?

Everyone here has an honest desire to share with and learn from others ideas about faith, religion, and God. No one wants to be name called (as you tend to enjoy doing to Evil Monkey) or picked on for their beliefs, inter alia. But private rights of people are something protected by this nation. If you don't like it, then leave. There are plenty of other places in the world that hold the same values you do. May I suggest the Middle East?

Your comments are single minded and repetitive; have you checked lately to make sure your CD player isn't on repeat?

And lastly, do unto others as you would have them do unto you. How would you feel if you were insulted for your sexual orientation? Would you not want to be understood and seek sanctuary from those around you? Put yourself in another person's shoes...before putting that same foot in your mouth.

For your edification and enlightenment, I included two link that shares the history of AIDS:

http://www.aegis.com/topics/timeline/def....

http://www.avert.org/origins.htm.

I hope you find this helpful. Also, for more information, I have this Google page ready for your perusal:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=AID....

I sincerely hope you read this information. No matter what your sexual orientation is, it never hurts a person to be well-versed in international and national matters of health...or to better understand the pain that someone experiences because people decide not to understand their situation.

Think about it? What places in the world outlaw homosexuality? Transgendered people? Other religions? Adultery? Abortion? None other than the Middle East and many UNdeveloped countries. It seems if that's the way you want everything Michael, you live on the wrong side of the globe. I'd gladly reimburse any expenses you incur on your journeys!

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Wed, Mar 26, 2008, at 8:04 PM

Can we start a fund for him? I'll put in some money for that!

-- Posted by phoenix_rising on Wed, Mar 26, 2008, at 8:20 PM

Where do I send the money?

I was under the impression that a gay male flight attendent was the first confirmed case of aids in the US. He spread it to other gay males at a huge orgy. It eventually was introduced into the hetersexual population through bi-sexuals and drug addicts sharing needles. I saw a segment on 60 minutes about this many years ago.

Are you now saying that is not true, Darrick? If so, can you tell me exactly how aids started and what was the first confirmed case in the US? I'd like to know your sources also. Thanks

I thought Aids started in Africa originally from an animal bite and progressed through the tribes and communities? Are you saying that all the millions of people in Africa that have Aids or who have died from it are gay and it was spread from massive gay orgies and that is God's punishment for it?

I am sorry, but to blame Aids solely on gay people and to say its part of God's wrath is to admit your ignorance out loud and in public. Yes, I am sure there are gay people who are passing it around but so are straight people and children and it can from other ways than just sex . . . such as blood transfusions and drug use.

Please people, educate yourself (and that doesn't mean pulling information from Wikipedia) before making comments.

I think the big picture here is not gays, transgendered individuals, or any of the specifics mentioned here. The big picture is immorality and how we as a society are accepting and/or condoning it. Whether we're talking about giving transgendered people their own bathrooms or allowing our leaders to practice in drugs and prostitution...it appalls me as a Christian that we are so fearful of sounding intolerant to allow this public display of immorality to permeate our lives and the lives of our children.

Why are we so concerned about what people do behind closed doors? who cares? Not ME!

-- Posted by grannyapple on Wed, Mar 26, 2008, at 10:51 PM

Unfortunately, this isn't happening behind closed doors. It's happening right in front of our faces and being crammed down our throats.

I have my own sins to worry with and will gladly stick to those until others immorality is brought in front of me. Then, as a Christian and a follower of His Word, I am to confront it.

Grannyapple seems to sun up this argument best.

This conversation has gone into issues that have heated up the community, especially the Christian one. We all have to make up our own minds as to what to think and feel about these situations. What would Jesus do if he saw people being cast out or hated? Did he not dine with tax collectors, who were hated by most people in the cities Jesus visited? Did he not take care of people who needed help?

I know this topic can be scary when you look at it. I know people who have similar views to the contrary ones I mention.

parkerbrothers, as you mentioned earlier parkerbrothers, we humans are given free will. We cannot predetermine who we will fall in love with, how we will live, and what needs we will experience. And the fear of AIDS isn't all homosexuals care about. They worry about all the things we do: paying bills, having a job, finding time to shop for groceries, etc. I believe you really don't know a lot about AIDS and won't take the time to look up information on it. You can quote that over 200,000 sites about AIDS are listed on Google.

But have you taken the time to see that the keywords "Jesus Christ" have over 33 million hits?

I have done research on AIDS and other immunodeficiency diseases. I would be happy to share the information I learned with you. LadyPhoenixRising124@gmail is my email account. I have no qualms if anyone wants to email me. All I ask, especially from you, parkerbrothers, is that you look at the information with an open mind, inside of a closed, predertermined one.

Amen LauraSFT!

Annette,

What about the transgendered children? Do you think when they are miserable in their own bodies and insist that they are the wrong gender that its about the act of sex? Do you think someone would say, "I am tired of being male, I think I will try the other side for awhile?" Transgendered persons do not choose that lot in life for themselves. They are born that way. Their decisions are not an act against God. You need to stop being so judgemental of others. Homosexuals and transgendered people do not wake up one day and choose to lead a life that many small-minded judgemental people would condemn them for.(some would even kill them for) What would you do if your child, sibling or another loved one told you they were gay or transgendered?

phoenix_rising,

You are right. I do not know a lot about AIDS. I do know enough about it however to know I do not want to be around anybody doing the things that are high risk and attractants to the disease. I also know the things that are high risk behaviors are detestable in the sight of God.

As long as they keep the nasty stuff away from me they can have at it. I always had a dog as a pet growing up as I do now so the increased demand for gerbils has no effect on my happiness.

Murphy

I'll have to disagree with you on this.

someone would say, "I am tired of being male, I think I will try the other side for awhile?" Transgendered persons do not choose that lot in life for themselves. They are born that way. Their decisions are not an act against God.

God would not make a child like that. I have a cousin that turned out to be gay and I must say my aunt and uncle had a hand in that, plus his brother that was adopted used to molest him. They wanted a girl and they treated him like one. There are several cases where when gays talk about their past they will say they were molested in the past. Being molested messes with your mind. It's a serious thing and they usually don't get the help they need when things like that happen. I've actually talked to my cousin about this and that's when things started turning for him. So I got my information first hand. I still love him and I know he can change.

Unfortunately, this isn't happening behind closed doors. It's happening right in front of our faces and being crammed down our throats.

I have my own sins to worry with and will gladly stick to those until others immorality is brought in front of me. Then, as a Christian and a follower of His Word, I am to confront it.

-- Posted by pleasebenice on Thu, Mar 27, 2008, at 10:53 AM

Who is the last person that has "done this in front of your face, and crammed it down your throat"... Xenophobia! Move to Iran, they welcome people with thoughts like yours.

I'm sick of your comments where you try and act like noone knows anything but you. You say you believe in God and then you talk about how imperfect he is. God knows exactly what he's doing. Not me. Maybe one day you can take all your anger out on him. I'm sure that will go over well. God is in control not you. Maybe you can take the science course and then explain to everyone how wrong it is and everyone who had a part in it.

Well Dianatn

It is a choice. They stayed in the closet for so many years because it was not acceptable. Now it's the popular thing and everyone's trying it. Especially if you're sissy boy and don't fit in you might try and go the other way because they love that kind of thing.

As for the parents having a hand in it, they knew the adopted brother was doing this and they never stepped in. I was a tomboy to and had some of the girls I played ball with turn out lesbian, but that was because they were so tomboyish the boys did not acknowledge them so they tried the other. I think it's an acceptance thing. Try what's left.

Oh No you are so wrong.

I have many gay friends most have never even been with a woman. So how could they have ever decided they were not fitting in and decided to go the other direction.

Although I can say there are those that experiment with the same sex but they are not homosexuals.

And if you think all homosexuals are sissy boys you need to back up and regroup....come to the gym one day. They are anything but "sissy boys"

Homosexuality is not a disease you can catch. So there is no need for you to fear them. I have never heard of a homosexual trying to convert a heterosexual over to their side..

Noone is going to change how I feel about this topic, so there's no since in wasting my night on this like I did last night. I hope one day you will see the light.

Just like you haven't changed anyone else's mind either. The big shocker for you, will be when heaven is full of all of those folks you didn't think would be there.

I love how you think it's a sin, yet you can't show us where it says it. Be prepared, if you cite anything from Leviticus, you should list every verse before and after them.

So go be a light, to people who are in the dark. Perhaps you should start with the local churches.

No one cares if you change your mind about homosexuals least of which, the homosexuals themselves.

Why do you feel they need your approval one way or the other?

Thanks phoenix!!!

Awe, now go ahead and tell us just what kind of man Paul was...

Most people have not carefully and prayerfully researched the Biblical texts used by some people to condemn God's lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender children.

Historically, people's misinterpretation of the Bible has left a trail of suffering, bloodshed, and death.

We should be open to new truth from Scripture. Even heroes of the Christian faith have changed their minds about the meaning of various Biblical texts.

The Bible is a book about God. The Bible is not a book about human sexuality.

We miss what these passages say about God when we spend so much time debating what they say about sex.

The Biblical authors are silent about homosexual orientation as we know it today. They neither approve it nor condemn it.

The prophets, Jesus, and the Biblical authors say nothing about homosexual orientation as we understand it today. But, they are clear about this one thing. As we search for truth, we are to "Love one another."

Whatever some people believe the Bible seems to say about homosexuality, they must not use that belief to deny homosexuals their basic civil rights. To discriminate against sexual or gender minorities is unjust and un-American.

Thank you. I have noticed you have brought the same amount of good sense as well. It's amazing how many of the other "Christians" here spend so much hating on their fellow man, that they forget that Jesus embraced differences, and was still a spiritual guide.

Darrick_04

You asked for biblical reference to homosexuality and got it. So you will have to enlighten me as to what kind of man Paul was and why you disregard what he says.

Jesuslovesevery1,

I do not hate homosexuals the same way that I dont hate thieves or liars. Do we have to hate someone just because we tell them they are sinning. The main problem I have with homosexuality is that it gets shoved down our throats that its ok for them to be gay, and that I should accept it in the same way as the relationship between my wife and I. Well its not the same. In my eyes homosexuality is no different than adultery, beastiality, incest or any other sexual perversion. They are living in sin, but that doesnt mean I hate them.

If those are your views of homosexuality, equating it to "adultery, beastiality, incest or any other sexual perversion", then I must ask: what do you think of heterosexual sex?

But what if that adultery is between a man and woman? That's a heterosexual act.

Incest can be between a man and woman.

And what of other sexual perversions that may take place between a man and woman? And can you further define these "sexual perversions"?

Now, like you, I cannot condone bestiality (for the sake of the animal - three cheers for PETA).

We are dealing with a new social class. Didn't America also have a hard time with women entering the work force in the 1940's? There was a movement to put women "back in their place, barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen". Today we accept women in the workforce. Society is an ever evolving creature, one that we must adjust to - or one you can get stuck in. We may not like everything in society, but give it twenty years. Everything will change yet again, and you will have something else to complain about.

Darrick_04

You asked for biblical reference to homosexuality and got it. So you will have to enlighten me as to what kind of man Paul was and why you disregard what he says.

-- Posted by greasemonkey on Thu, Mar 27, 2008, at 10:33 PM

(((No No, you are the one who knows the Bible so well, I'm not going to do the research for you. Besides Michael seems to be your good friend, ask him what kind of man Paul was.)))

greasemonkey

Thank you!!! get ready to repeat yourself several times later on.

-- Posted by Annette 5 on Thu, Mar 27, 2008, at 10:45 PM

(((Just don't be like Annette and contradict yourself and become judgemental with not a single fact.)))

Thank you. I have noticed you have brought the same amount of good sense as well. It's amazing how many of the other "Christians" here spend so much hating on their fellow man, that they forget that Jesus embraced differences, and was still a spiritual guide.

-- Posted by jesuslovesevery1 on Thu, Mar 27, 2008, at 9:50 PM

jesuslovesevery1,

In no far fetch of the mind would Jesus embrace homosexuality or sodomy.

Parkerbrothers,

If someone comes to Jesus and asks for love and believes in God and the sacrifice God made for us, then no matter what their sins or who they are - even Adolf Hitler or Joseph Stalin - Jesus will reach out a hand and wash away their sins. He teaches us to love each other, not hate - and what better way to spread love than to accept people different than us? And I don't believe Jesus would want us to hide who we were or what we were. God knows what we think and what we do - He knew before he ever created us. To go against our natural instincts would be a lie. And lying is against the Ten Commandments.

Just curious: How many friends do you have that are outside of your 1-person social circle?

Hey darrick, I know you don't want to do greasmonkey's research, but I will go ahead and post what I know about Paul the Fraud...

* Paul was Satan in the Flesh

* Paul was never recognized as an apostle by the Disciples OR Jesus

* Paul was never trained by the disciples, the men who walked, talked, and broke bread with our Saviour. He received his knowledge from "revelations."

* Paul's account of his Damascus Road Experience changed every time he told it, thus the disciples knew he was lying.

* Paul declared he was teaching another Gospel of which he himself was the Father

* Paul declared he himself was the son of God

* Paul issued his own commandments and laws for people to adhere to

* Paul taught the exact Opposite of what Jesus and His real disciples did.

* Paul worked to destroy and undo everything Jesus and His disciples did and were doing.

* Paul was never repentant for being the greatest persecutor of Christians at that time! He boasted about it! Over and Over!

* Paul said God's law was a Curse. Jesus said it was a blessing. Who's lying?

* Paul condemned Jesus and His disciples for false teachings, he condemned Jesus Himself for having long hair in 1 Corinthians 11:14, something approved in Numbers 6:5 and Judges 13:5.

* Jesus Said: Keep the Sabbath (Mark 2:27), circumcise male children (Luke 2:21), Paul Said: Circumcision is not necessary (Romans 2:26) that is going against what the Christ said in Luke 2:21.

* In 1 Corinthians 15:1 Paul says that he was not giving them anything but what "he preached." He explained this even further in the second book (or letter) to the Corinthians (2 Corinthians 11:17). It reads - "That which I speak, I speak it not after the Lord, but as it were foolishly, in this confidence of boasting." He's telling you plain and simple he was speaking of himself and not from or of the Lord!" Paul cursed Jesus and His disciples

* Paul claimed he himself was the son of God

* Paul Supported and demanded Adherence to Iniquity (Discrimination), Jesus said to not let it be found among us! Who's lying?

Phoenix_Rising,

I believe any sex outside of marriage is a sin. As long as that marriage consists of a man and woman. Sex out of wedlock could be listed along with the other sins I listed. Yes we are dealing with a new social class, one that has no clue of the difference between right and wrong. We have a society where everything should be accepted.

Darrick_04,

I know what kind of man Paul was. What I want to know is how you can determine why Gods word through him should be disregarded. Btw, I never said I knew the Bible any better than anyone else. I am a humble student of Gods word.

Jesuslovesevery1, you have a knack for pounding that hammer. Thanks for your views - I appreciate them and am so glad you are in this conversation!

-- Posted by phoenix_rising on Thu, Mar 27, 2008, at 11:14 PM

No problem ;)

Parkerbrothers, Annette, Greasemonkey, and of course, Mr. Bell...

Not a SINGLE ONE of you have responded to Michael's actual blog ... "Things like this happened in other eras to other empires and they crumbled...If this empire would only get back on the rack so nothing could prevail against it and that rock is Jesus Christ and his rod which is the Bible."

So tell me, exactly WHICH empire has fallen due to homosexuality, transgendered folks, etc? That's right, NEVER. The underlying reason for any empire to fall has been the debasing of their currency, their corrupt RELIGIOUS leaders, and how HORRIBLY they treated their very own citizens.... Now, since you are all stuck on the trivial non-issues, how about being able to stand up for Michael, because he speaks the truth. I know why you can't, because he spews for nothing but lies and unfortunately the sheeple come running in his defense.

darrick_04,

Perhaps Sodom and Gamorra were not empires but they were destroyed. As has been noted before, I am sure sodomy was not the only sin there, but it must have been the most remembered since the word sodomy was coined from the legendary "sin of Sodom".

darrick_04,

What had nothing to do with Sodomy?

Parkerbrothers, now tell me does this sound like it came from GOD????

The primarily sexual meaning of the word sodomia for Christians did not evolve before the 500s CE. It was Byzantine Emperor Justinian I who in his novels no. 77 (dating 538) and no. 141 (dating 559) amended to his Corpus iuris civilis was the first to declare that Sodom's sin had been specifically same-sex activities and desire for them in order to create homosexual scapegoats for recent earthquakes and other disasters of his time (see Extreme weather events of 535-536), but most of all to enact anti-homosexual laws that he used upon personal as well as political opponents in case he could not prove them guilty of anything else.

Justinian's were not the first Roman laws prohibiting homosexual behavior (earlier such measures had been included in the Lex Scantinia dating from the year 149 BCE and the Lex Julia dating from 17 BCE, both constituting death penalty for homosexual behavior, while we have allegations that even before Lex Scantinia, such laws existed but direct evidence was lost), however while sticking to death penalty by beheading Justinian's legal novels heralded a change in Roman legal paradigm as in that he introduced a concept of not only mundane but also divine punishment for homosexual behavior. Individuals might ignore and escape mundane laws, however they could not do the same with divine laws if Justinian declared his novels to be such.

darrick_04,

I never said the word Sodomy was coined from God. I said the word was coined from the phrase "sin of Sodom".

Your paste had a lot of good information in it. It was amazing to see that the death penalty was prescribed for homosexual behavior a couple of thousand years ago. They probably were not wanting another homosexual uprising to smoke their town to the ground. The destruction of Sodom was still probably fresh on their mind.

Thanks for the info to help me confirm the attitudes about homosexuality in that time period.

Thanks for the info to help me confirm the attitudes about homosexuality in that time period.

-- Posted by parkerbrothers on Fri, Mar 28, 2008, at 12:13 AM

Hearts of stone and minds made of air will never enjoy the beauty of emracing differences. Goodnight.

People who can't think of anything else but whether the person you love is indented or convex should be doomed not to think of anything else but that, and so miss the other ninety-five percent of life. ~Robert Towne

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Thu, Mar 27, 2008, at 8:47 PM

Great point. Night ya'll.

Their relationship shouldnt be held in the same esteem as a man and womans marriage. My whole entire point for this whole entire blog is as follows: I dont care what anyone wants to do behind closed doors, Homosexuality is a sin. I dont think its any worse or any better than any other sin, but its still a SIN.

-- Posted by greasemonkey on Fri, Mar 28, 2008, at 12:37 AM

If you don't care, then WHAT ARE YOU COMPLAIGNING ABOUT??? And since it's "no better or worse than any other sin" why do you think it is YOUR right to deny them of their RIGHT to happiness? What will it hurt, after all us straight folks haven't set the greatest precedent of what a marriage should be...

A 50% divorce rate, now THAT is the "esteem that man and woman's marriage" deserves, let me tell you.

STATEMENT:In no far fetch of the mind would Jesus embrace homosexuality or sodomy.-- Posted by parkerbrothers on Thu, Mar 27, 2008, at 11:01 PM

RESPONSE:I'm glad you've talked to Jesus about this. Can you show me in the Bible were he spoke against it? AH, that's right. He didn't...-- Posted by jesuslovesevery1 on Thu, Mar 27, 2008, at 11:10 PM

Again... You have failed to answer this. Since JESUS is YOUR Savior, why don't you follow his guidance, and not speak against things in which he didn't... Placing yourself above Jesus's judgement is a tragic mistake. May your soul rest easy.

Yes, but people did use the excuse to discriminate against black people at one time because they said the bible stated slavery was allowed and would use scriptures to prove their point and you would be surprised how many people still believe that the bible claims that black individuals are still inferior to the white race. It was amazing to hear how many churches use to preach this kind of doctrine and that people actually believed it. So, I can see where some people might draw comparisons to the gay and civil right movements.

That just goes to show how anyone can twist the word of the bible to justify their hate and bigotry and unfortunately it still goes on today and even within this blog entry.

I can not believe everything that I am reading on here. I have quietly read these blogs for awhile now, and I can no longer keep quiet. You people seem to bash random groups of people at various times. I'm tired of listening to ignorant people make hideous comments about things they know little about. Who is anyone of you (not all) to judge someone based on their sexual orientation?? It in no way affects you personally.

I think most of you have nothing better to do than to just be nosey. Join the real world, it's none of your business what anyone does in their life. No one seems to want to get to know the person before they form an opinion anymore. Granted, I'm still fairly young, but I know that there is more to a person than what they look like or who they choose to have sex with.

To tell the truth, I am considered bi-sexual myself. My spouse is not the same sex as myself. I chose to marry because of love and happiness they bring to me. Gender only played a part in the fact that the same sex can't have a legal marriage, and that's all. So, are you saying that I do not have the same rights as everyone else? That's absurd.

And all these "Christians" on here need to step back and take a good look in the mirror and judge yourself before you start judging others. You are the reason people, like me, refuse to go to church or believe in an organized based religion. There are too many hypocrits that believe that they are the only ones worthy of love from God or any other being. I've got a few thoughts for you, since the Bible is technically "historical fiction" (because none of it can really be proven). How can you be so sure that your beliefs are right? What if when everyone dies, we are all wrong about religion? What if there is no Heaven or Hell? What if there is no God? What if everything that you were taught was a lie? Just about every religion, afterall, is based on interpertation of different books. You go to church every Sunday to hear someone give their opinion of a book that they read. It's a glorified book group.

I've read the Bible, and used to be a devot Christian. I find it hard to have faith in something that criticizes everything that doesn't fit into their opinion. Who cares who sleeps with who? If I want to date someone of the same sex, it should be my right. Same as if I want to marry that person. Isn't it a "God given right" for a person to pursue happiness?

I'm rambling, but I am so tired of reading ignorant blogs or comments. People seem to forget that everyone in this world is human - which means that we are made of the same blood, guts, and gore. We all have feelings, beliefs, and should have equal rights. It saddens me to think that there are still people as barbaric as they are to think that just because someone's life is different than theirs that they deserve to be belittled and treated unfairly.

And what makes me even more sad is the fact that everyone is so concerned with who a person sleeps with and is happy being with when there are so much more devastating issues in this world. I am amazed about how little some people care about the real issues: child abuse and neglect, molestation, murder, teen pregnancies, suicide, children getting arrested, random violence, kidnapping, and random sex crimes. The real issues seem not to be important to any of you. It appalls me. I may be young, but I know what is important in this world, and someone's sex life isn't it. It's time that you people grow up, and start maturing or I feel that the children are in for a bad future if they follow your beliefs with the same closed minds. Good day.

Deception82z,

Your remarks were great. I'm so glad you have joined this blog - one more person who has some good common sense and can understand what is really going on in the word. Thank you for your input - it means alot to another defender fo peoples' beliefs. I can't wait to read more from you.

I agree Cheryl . . . considering what most gay people have to go through in this world, I cant imagine them just choosing a way of life that would be filled with so much hardship. If it was a choice, I would definitely be picking the easier option. The point though is that for most people, it is not a choice but just who they are and how they were born. I just don't see people consciously making a choice to be gay or straight. It is absurd!

Is that a choice that you would feel comfortable making for your child after birth? Deciding for the baby to be a boy or girl? What if you got it wrong?

Yes, I have no doubt I would make that choice for my child. I think it would be difficult enough to grow up homosexual. I think it would be even worse to be a female in every other aspect and have a male anatomy. I would have to know what hormones my baby had male or female and decide from there.

As for getting it wrong, that's possible. But, I would not want to raise a son that had female hormones and a males anatomy that would not work especially during teenage years when boys are comparing themselves and that sort of thing.

The gays are parading around in Murfreesboro and Nashville all the time? I have to laugh at this stupid comment and the ignorance being displayed. I go to Murfreesboro and Nashville a lot and I never see them "parading" around. I might have seen some gay people holding hands and such but if that is "parading" around then straight people "parade" around a lot to. Heck, I haven seen women that are best friend and are straight hold hands and hug each other.

Man, get a clue people. It's ok to have your beliefs and stand by them but don't make absurd comments that have no basis in real fact or that pander to outlandish stereotypes.

Are you in my shoes? I have seen this and it makes me sick. Usually one of them look male , and I still don't get that. If your going to go for someone that looks like a guy go for the real thing. Parading around is a form of speech. And it's ok for straight people to do that people thats right!! Yeah I said it. Straight people don't get strange looks when they are holding hands and kissing. At least the normal ones don't. If you haven't seen these things you don't get out much, or your blind. Basis in real fact? I know what I saw. This world has gone to crap.

Yeah you are showing your age since you don't know parading around means walking around wanting everyone to see you and notice you. For your information I'm 30. I'd say by your childish comments your about 18? I'd rather have a small mind and not agree with the "popular" things happening. stereotypes? You know a tree by it's fruit.

I am 33 and I guess I just have a better understanding how the world actually works . . . and believe me, many gay people do not parade around even in your sense of the definition. Most of them just want to live normal lives like everyone else . . . sure there are some that probably stick out and make a spectacle of them self but that is true in every group of humans no matter what race, ethnicity, sex or even sexual orientation. That is part of human nature and society and if we went by your argument, then we could say that all Muslims are terrorists, all blacks are criminals, and etc. To judge many by the actions of a few is simply another form of prejudice and racism.

Some of y'all must have never seen the looks old folks get when they indulge in Public Displays of Affection.

The casual hug,kiss or tender look implies that there might be ca-noodling in private-for MARRIED people over 60!

God knows only young,fit and beautiful courting couples are allowed to feel frisky.

Others are just disgusting horndogs.

Do we HAVE to let the world define/suppress our sexuality?

My grandmother was 74 when she died, and up until that moment, she and my grandfather still thought of each other as and felt like they were teenagers. They were married 57 years. She died three years ago, and my grandfather refuses to date. She was the only person he ever kissed, and vice-versa. It was always a comfor to see their constant love and devotion for each other. It gave me hope that there is someone for everyone - be that person straight or gay.

My parents have been together since the 8th grade. They dated for 13 years before getting married, and have been happily married for 34 years. That's 47 years together. And they still act like little kids sometimes - pillow fights, little squabbles over how bad my mom's cooking is, etc. They still kiss whenever they see each other.

I am blessed to have had four people in my life so devoted to each other. I am glad to say that there is even another couple, my future inlaws, who are still as loving and in love as if they were teenagers. They have been married for 33 years. I love to watch how they joke and pick fights with each other, just so they can laugh about it a few minutes later.

My fiance and I are just as affectionate and playful. I can only hope that we, too, will be like the examples set before us.

It doesn't matter if you're straight or gay. What matters is that if you love someone, be with that person. Don't force yourself into a relationship that won't work, where you end up getting divorced with three kids just so you can finally be true to yourself - if you are gay, or if you never really loved your spouse to begin with. No one should feel trapped in such a situation.

I can only hope that everyone can experience this type of happiness and love in their lifes, be it with someone of the same or opposite gender.

phoenix_rising

"Lastly, your comment "You know a tree by it's fruit" is incredibly offense. Do you know where that term has derivites? Back to the days when black people were hung from trees."

That's really out of left field. I think what she was saying is derived from the Bible Matthew 7: 16-20. That in no way refers to lynching.

AMEN Stolen25!

AMEN Stolen25!

-- Posted by phoenix_risi