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There has been questions of Obama's faith ,or lack there of
Here is a article to ponder on.
It tells me that he does not believe in the same God or his Son that I do or read the same Bible as I do.
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"Oprah told her audience that she has no problem reconciling the differences between the new age religion she is now promoting and the Christian faith she claims. "I reconciled it because I was able to open my mind about the, um, the absolute, indescribable hugeness of that which we call 'God,'" Oprah said. "I took God out of the box.""
Most of the people who blog on here - parkerbrothers, annette_05, greasemonkey, to name a few - have all placed God in a box that they hide in a corner of their room.
She said that as a child she was influenced by people describing God as a harsh deity. Perhaps she is looking at things through clearer eyes, and sees that God is a kind God. If there are many of you that view God as a harsh, angry old man, I feel sorrow for you. The God I know is one that feels for humanity, one that yearns for all of us to join him in heaven. Ever look at the famous fresco in the Sistene Chapel? Where God is reaching out to man? How much kinder could God be than to demonstrate such a gesture.
Also, everyone has their own beliefs in God. I'm sure I will be criticized for mine in a few minutes when someone reads what I have written. If Oprah believes these things, that's her business. I understand that she is a public figure that sets an example for many people. The example she sets is one of kindness: giving away free cars, establishing schools in Africa, sponsoring children who don't have enough money to pay for surgeries they desperately need.
We are not the ones to judge Oprah's faith. That is between her and God. And if you don't like what she says, change the channel.
OMG seriously GET A FREAKING JOB/LIFE!!! Obama made the comment that Jews/muslims that live moral lives are also children of God. UH MICHAEL JESUS WAS A JEW..shocking I know...and the Jews are Jesus' chosen people, DUH of course they will always be "children of God" and Muslim is the main religion of the land that Jesus walked..you know..THE MIDDLE EAST!! Christianity is not the end all be all of religion, sorry but no cookie for you today. Keep stirring the pot and keep making christians look like paranoid pyschos.
oh and as for Oprah, that woman has given back 10 times what God has blessed her with. She gives more of her time and her heart in one minute of a day that you sir will do in your lifetime. I recall an episode, many years back, she said "When I am having a bad day, or there is something I can't fix, I open my heart and ask God to sit in it and help me find the way and he always answers me" That has stuck with me for 5-6 good years.
Oh and I remember a blog, back before Christmas, that you posted about taking stuff to the people of the Appalachia (I think that was it) and you received many donations. Funny I never saw a blog or pictures posted of said trip. Makes me wonder if you didn't just keep all the stuff for yourself. Any explanations Mr. Bell? Seems if you had done all this good, you would want to post a blog letting the bloggers who donated stuff to you, what all you did on your trip. Hmmmm...something fishy I do believe
I personally do not care what Oprah believes or what she doesn't believe. But on the other side of this, I most definitely care what Obama believes and what he doesn't. If Obama wasn't running for the highest office in America I wouldn't care what he believed either.
I agree with both of you, Stolen25 and Dianatn. A person's private religion is none of our business. Personally, I don't like Tom Cruise parading scientology around, but it's his religion and he has a right to worship as he sees fit.
Obama's beliefs are something to be concerned with. The clips of Rev. Wright came from only a few sermons. We don't know what his other sermons were like, so I can't make a solid opinion about him. Yes, I was offended by what Wright said. Yes, it bothers me that Obama attended a church that said those things and wants to become president. But his religion is still a private matter between himself and God. I have other reasons for not liking Obama, so I don't want him in the White House. We can't just say 'I don't like him/her because of their religion'. I guarantee there is someone out there saying the same thing about us all.
I do want you to know that I agree with your statements, and Stolen25, you make an excellent point. Mr. Bell may start these blogs, but never comments or has any other evidence than a strictly conservative ultra-christian news site tell us what they want us to believe. He needs to answer some of the questions we ask.
With the state our country is in now, I personally don't care if someone prays at the altar of Stewie Griffin. ANYTHING will be better than a bible toter, We voted in "a good ole southern Christian boy" and look what we have now. I am not and will not base my decision on someone's religious background or ancestory. These neo-Christian (bordering on neo-nazi) sites take bits and pieces of something to get everyone all up in arms about things.
Bush said himself God put him in the presidency, God told him to attack etc. etc. He puts everything off on God and I am sick of it. Religion shouldn't play a role in any political decision. Hence the seperation of Church and State. As my good friend Darrick_04 stated once, a long time ago, you put your hand on the bible and swear to uphold the constitution, you don't put your hand on the constitution and swear to uphold the bible.
And Phoenix, I am loving all your comments on these blogs, and sadly, you will never get an answer from Michael, if it can't be copy and pasted, he can't do it. We have asked for answers for many many months and he just starts a new blog and ignores the others. He has no answers and the fact that he has the audacity to call himself "Pastor Mike" is a slap in the face of true Pastors that really try to answer your questions.
"With the state our country is in now, I personally don't care if someone prays at the altar of Stewie Griffin."
-- Posted by stolen25 on Fri, Mar 28, 2008, at 1:45 PM
OMG, I love stewie, almost as much as softball!
Hes a Muslim and he just wont admit it. It is called campaigning for votes.
The Bible has already been written and WE cant change the ending. There WILL eventually be a false prophet elected to the highest position in the free world.
I refuse to vote for someone WE are at war with.
I did not get to make it to the Appalachians because of personal reasons.
The Jewish race is God's chosen people
When I make reference to Christians or Jews it is in regard to the ones who follow what is Known as the Old Testament or the New Testament for the God of the Jews is my God also.
Oprah can do all the good deeds she wants or anybody else for that matter aka Bill Gates or whoever the only way to Heaven is by acceptance of Jesus Christ and for Mr. Obama the only way to get salavation is through Jesus Christ.
only one Blogger donated and that was weezie and I thanked her personally
Oh my God...Did Michael just post something on a blog? And fail at an attempt to give an answer...I think I may have a heart attack...
"With the state our country is in now, I personally don't care if someone prays at the altar of Stewie Griffin."
-- Posted by stolen25 on Fri, Mar 28, 2008, at 1:45 PM
OMG, I love stewie, almost as much as softball!
-- Posted by LauraSFT on Fri, Mar 28, 2008, at 2:19 PM
STEWIE FOR PRESIDENT!! And as Stewie would say to Peter, I will say to Michael "GO....AWAY....FAT MAN"
only one Blogger donated and that was weezie and I thanked her personally
-- Posted by michaelbell on Fri, Mar 28, 2008, at 2:24 PM
And you did what with her donations?
Disturbia, you are officially on my list of heroes and favorite people.
Oprah can do all the good deeds she wants or anybody else for that matter aka Bill Gates or whoever the only way to Heaven is by acceptance of Jesus Christ and for Mr. Obama the only way to get salavation is through Jesus Christ.
-- Posted by michaelbell on Fri, Mar 28, 2008, at 2:22 PM
And you have personal knowledge that Oprah HAS NOT accepted Christ? Wow you know Oprah? I am sure it was a displeasure to meet you.
STEWIE FOR PRESIDENT!! And as Stewie would say to Peter, I will say to Michael "GO....AWAY....FAT MAN"
-- Posted by Disturbia on Fri, Mar 28, 2008, at 3:14 PM
LMAO!!!!
Aww, thank you Phoenix, I must say you are also on my list of heroes and favorite people as well..YOU ARE AWESOME!! So glad to have you on the blogs :)
her donationsplus mne went to the Appalachians.
If Oprah has truly accepted Christ great but I still have doubts .
I guess we will see in the very near future who has and who hasn't.
her donationsplus mne went to the Appalachians.
If Oprah has truly accepted Christ great but I still have doubts .
I guess we will see in the very near future who has and who hasn't.
-- Posted by michaelbell on Fri, Mar 28, 2008, at 3:27 PM
And boy oh boy will you get a HUGE shock at who you are standing at the Pearly Gates with (that is, if you get to the pearly gates) I don't think God likes you turning people off from him and living in hate.
And I also have my doubts that you have accepted the God and the Christ that most of us know, yours in mean and hate-filled. Mine is forgiving and loving. Maybe you need to reevaluate which God you accepted, cause he seems a bit Islamic for my taste.
Michael, who is this "we" you speak of? You and the mouse in your pocket? You gonna hide in a corner and wait til you can sneak over God's shoulder to take a peek at his list?
My God is forgiving but for people to say they follow God and have accepted Jesus and continue In Homosexual sins and continue abortions and accept all other garbage, I feel they have not truly accepted Christ for they continue doing it.
The Bible says to repent and turn away not accept and keep doing it !
Michael,
Your God is much harsher than mine. For you to say "Oprah can do all the good deeds she wants or anybody else for that matter aka Bill Gates or whoever" and pass judgment as to whether or not these people have accepted Christ and God shows that you have a very impersonal relationship with the deity I call God. Your God doesn't seem like the kind God I know, the one who forgives us for our sins, who sent His only son to die for us so that we could come to God openly and freely for forgiveness. The God I know has always been kind to me, even through the worst days of my life.
To me, God is like the kind man depicted in the Sistine Chapel fresco. A human is reaching out for God...and God is reaching out for him. That is the God I know and that I have a personal relationship with.
Well, that's all well and good, but I wanna see this Heaven v.s. Hell list you are talking about. Since you know, tell us!
Michael,
If you are created a certain way, then why would you try to be something else? That is a lie in the face of God, who knows every word we will ever say, every thought we will ever have, every sin we will ever commit, etc. That's why He's omniscient. If you are gay, it's not a choice you make - your heart guides you to that. And if a gay person accepts Christ, and asks for forgiveness of his/her sins, how can God punish that person that He created in his own image and likeness?
And about abortions...What if a woman was raped and became pregnant with that man's baby? I could not stand the thought of carrying his child. I would not carry his child. There are times, like then, that abortion seems validated in my eyes. Also, what if the mother was going to die? Would you rather have both the mother and child die because of pregnancy complication, or allow the mother to live? You are not a woman, and therefore, I feel you have no right to tell us women what we can and can't do with our bodies.
Laura, you make me smile. :D
Is Oprah Homosexual? Somewhere you guys lost me
I read all the comments on this particular blog on my breaks almost everyday. I can't believe how much time you all spend bashing one another. The time you spend on here could be so much more useful doing something good instead of dogging each other. Time spent mentoring a child or volunteering at the Family Crisis Center or delivering meals on wheels would be much more productive, don't you think? What could you possibly be accomplishing by continuing this?
ontheoutside, or we could spend it here doing whatever in the world we want to do with it and it's no skin off your back! <--hey, just an idea!
Just what I expected. Its the verbal abuse you enjoy. Check out the fruits of the spirit sometime, it might help your attitude.
"Therefore, as God's chosen people, holy and dearly loved, clothe yourselves with compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience."
ontheoutside,
Seems you are on here wasting time..POT CALLING KETTLE BLACK..for the love of God, practice what you preach.
and Laura, love your idea :)
Just what I expected. Its the verbal abuse you enjoy. Check out the fruits of the spirit sometime, it might help your attitude.
"Therefore, as God's chosen people, holy and dearly loved, clothe yourselves with compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience."
-- Posted by ontheoutside on Fri, Mar 28, 2008, at 4:13 PM
See, we showed Michael those same passages, but he always forgets the good things God teach us. He constantly harps on the negatives. It must be a tragedy to live in a body that is so entrapped with ANTI-everything feelings. Michael, if your walk with Jesus is as fulfilling as you claim, then why are you so miserable about everyone else's sin.
Hasn't reading the Bible taught you enough about love, kindness, acceptance. Or do you so joyfully flip right over those scriptures everytime because your heart is fo full of rage and anger, that you can't possibly stand the thought of two people of the same sex happier with their life than you are.
Misery loves company.. If your sins are bought and paid for then perhaps you should understand that the love of Christ is PRICELESS, and you eximplify not a single fabric of it.
Ontheoutside, if instead of repremanding us for being on here sharing our ideas and trying to open the minds of several racist christian bigots, YOU could be delivering the meals on wheels, etc. Take your own advice. And if this blog is too much for you, then maybe you shouldn't read it anymore.
PS- No one likes verbal abuse. That's NOT why we're here.
I refuse to vote for someone WE are at war with.
-- Posted by seedsower on Fri, Mar 28, 2008, at 2:20 PM
Yeah, and I want him impeached now. We are at war with our current leaders who have not ONCE listened to the electorate... Face it
Darrick, THANK YOU. And Seedsower, the last time I checked, Obama had not been handed the letter saying we were officially attacking him. Any attacks he does receive are from the media - but you know what? They attack EVERYONE! Isn't it good to know a person's mistakes, tempers, good sides, etc. BEFORE we vote for them and possibly make another mistake in the White House?
My God is forgiving but for people to say they follow God and have accepted Jesus and continue In Homosexual sins and continue abortions and accept all other garbage, I feel they have not truly accepted Christ for they continue doing it.
The Bible says to repent and turn away not accept and keep doing it !
-- Posted by michaelbell on Fri, Mar 28, 2008, at 3:47 PM
It can not be better explained than that Michael.
I think you can see that they do have a different god than you.
Remember one thing. It was the pigs that perished when they went over the bank into the water. Not the evil spirit. It survived and is among us now.
I just wish one of them could state where they learned of this god they talk about. It sure is not the one in the Bible I know that makes the demons shutter and the pigs cliff dive or they would be shuttering now instead of condemning you.
Did Stargate have pigs in it?
My God is forgiving but for people to say they follow God and have accepted Jesus and continue In Homosexual sins and continue abortions and accept all other garbage, I feel they have not truly accepted Christ for they continue doing it.
The Bible says to repent and turn away not accept and keep doing it !
-- Posted by michaelbell on Fri, Mar 28, 2008, at 3:47 PM
This should be stated like this "My God is forgiving but for people to say they follow God and have accepted Jesus and continue In SINS (not homosexual) and continue SINNING (not abortions and accept all other garbage) I feel they have not truly accepted Christ for they continue doing it.
The Bible says to repent and turn away not accept and keep doing it !"
When you single out what you call "SIN" as somehow having greater consequences than all other "sins" you are putting yourself in God's shoes. Show me where he touts "homosexuality" and "abortions and all that other garbage" as any more devestating than other "sins"
AND
Did Stargate have pigs in it?
-- Posted by parkerbrothers on Fri, Mar 28, 2008, at 8:21 PM
grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrroooooooooooooooowwwwwwwwwwwww uuuuuuuuuuuuuppppppppppppp
jesuslovesevery1,
That sounds like the same noise I heard in the "Exorcist" movie.
jesuslovesevery1,
That sounds like the same noise I heard in the "Exorcist" movie.
-- Posted by parkerbrothers on Fri, Mar 28, 2008, at 9:20 PM
Oh that movie where the Devil works through people? I figured it would be your kind.
jesuslovesevery1,
If you don't mind me asking, Didn't your neck get sore with all that turning it was doing.
I would offer you some of my Ben-gay or Deep Heat rub but I do not feel like taking a tale chewing for mentioning it tonight.
jesuslovesevery1,
If you don't mind me asking, Didn't your neck get sore with all that turning it was doing.
I would offer you some of my Ben-gay or Deep Heat rub but I do not feel like taking a tale chewing for mentioning it tonight.
-- Posted by parkerbrothers on Fri, Mar 28, 2008, at 9:36 PM
So why did you mention it?
PB, you do need some "Ben-gay", I prefer to stick with my 'Head-On'!
Maybe you're using the wrong ointment...
PB, you do need some "Ben-gay", I prefer to stick with my 'Head-On'!
Maybe you're using the wrong ointment...
-- Posted by nascarfanatic on Fri, Mar 28, 2008, at 9:42 PM
LMFAO!!!!!!
Parkerbrothers, to your first comment where your tout Mr. Bell for being so amazing...The legion of demons had been cast out of the man, and into the herd of pigs. The pigs ran off the cliff to get rid of the LEGION OF DEMONS. They did not release it into the world.
And yes, apparently, your and Mr. Bell's God is different from many of ours. Ours is forgiving, loving, and open-armed for sinners. Yours is cruel, hateful, and wrathful. I hope you can eventually see what wonderful, KIND things God can do for you - instead of feeling his hate.
I GOT 2 WORDS FOR YOU ( JOHN McCAYNE))!!!
Yeah, it makes me wonder.. Since Michael on PB only talk about the hateful things God can do, does he do anything good for them?
You'd think if they were so blessed, they sing praises instead of songs of terror.
Maybe...because our ideas aren't evil or damning. Maybe it's because we're openminded and haven't closed off our relationship with God.
And will you get off this Stargate thing? Who the hell cares? It was someone's OPINION. You seem to be tolerant of those of Michael and Annette, yet you can't bear the idea of anyone elses. Well, guess what. Most of us on here can't stand you. Until you can begin to respect the ideas around you and actually THINK for 5 SECONDS about them, you shouldn't be in this blog. For all you care about is gay-bashing, telling us we all sin in umpteen different ways, and proclaiming what - in your mind - is sin.
Oh, and I'm still waiting for that evidence.
I GOT 2 WORDS FOR YOU ( JOHN McCAYNE))!!!
-- Posted by tiny76 on Fri, Mar 28, 2008, at 9:45 PM
Two more, NEO-NAZI!
Hehehehe....That's a good one. And two more: Heil Bush! (yeah, let him dream...)
phoenix_rising,
I see Gods total character as he choose to display and reveal to us in the Bible. Both sides of it. You can not deny that God is more than one dimentional. Without understanding the wrath you can not comprehend the love.
Did not any of you have parents of whom you angered. They could not be angry with you if they did not love you. They could not love you if they had no anger when they saw you do wrong. What is it that makes all of you unable to see that his wrath has to be with his love.
Show me a parent who has never been angry when his child did wrong and you have shown me a parent who loves not his child.
In your own words, "night night you nasty devil..."
Didn't he say that FOUR hours ago? He must have reigned in those pigs from Stargate and put a big scoop of BenGay on...
And PB, You have YET to respond to Vindicated's eloquent words which completely tell the truth about Sodom and Gomorra. Night.
I have NEVER said that God never gets angry. You just seem to see that side of Him more than me. Perhaps that's all you're looking for?
Of course we have had parents who were upset with us. We do things wrong and right. But a good parent know when to chastise and when to praise. It is part of loving. If a parent only shows his/her angry side, then love can never be expressed. God can be wrathful, but I have always seen his as kind. I am sorry you cannot see Him that same way.
Phoenix_rising,
I am sorry you feel that I have put God in a box. I do agree though that we do worship different Gods. I serve the God of the Bible, who sent his son Jesus Christ to die for my sins and was resurected. My God is a loving God, he is also a God of wrath and judgement. It seems that you worship a God that changes to fit what you feel is right, a God that doesnt condemn anyone. Your God and mine are different. I hope we can have further debate without so much anger. I am not here to start a fight, I think all of us could be friends and still disagree.
I am not here to start a fight either, Greasemonkey. I do not believe in a constantly changing God - I, too, believe in the God of the Bible. I just see Him as a much kinder being than alot of people on here. That's all I'm trying to say.
God is kind, and loving, but we cannot continue to sin and not repent and expect not to see a little wrath. He is not the parent that threatens to spank their child and doesnt. I have been "spanked" by God, I have only seen one millionith of one millionth percent of Gods wrath and it scares me to death. I have also been loved by God, I feel his presence daily in my life. I feel that God is preparing to "spank" this country if we dont do something soon.
It has taken me an hour and a half to read this blog and the other that now has more than 200 comments. I'm exhausted. Michael, just a question. Have you read all of the comments? and why have you not chimed in on some things? These are your blogs and these people (not all) need help! A pastor is there to listen and give advice and be helpful. On the other blog I never saw you posting. What happened? Don't start a new topic when the old one is not finished. These people need some answers. They want scripture. If you use scripture to back things up there's no argument. Doesn't it say somewhere in the bible if someone is saying something about our Lord and we just stand back and let it be said, that's just as bad as saying it ourselves. We should defend Jesus! He's our rock!
I believe we all have been through similar situations with God. He has tested me in ways I never thought possible. He has broken me, He has healed me, He has never left my side, though I have left His before. I continually thank Him for HIs everlasting grace...I feel that without it, I never would have made it past the age of 3, let alone into my twenties.
Greasemonkey, I appreciate this conversation we are having and are able to have once we both have laid down our weapons. :)
TO READERS/CONTRIBUTORS/VISITORS OF THIS BLOG:
I mean this in NO WAY to be insulting, cruel, or as a way to start an argument. This is merely an observation.
There seems to be a pattern here:
1. Michael starts a blog that is somewhat outrageous, then opens the doors for us to begin talking about whatever we want.
2. Everyone on here takes one of two sides: the conservative or the liberal (And I don't mean these in political views. I state "conservative" as being very strict to the Bible and NOT leaving it open to interpretation; I state "liberal" to mean people who are willing to discuss the different aspects of faith, not just what is written in black and white [and red, in some Bibles]).
3. The liberals seem to do want to discuss the article, idea, etc. I know that I fall into this category, and I joined this blogs because I want to know what other Christians think. Of COURSE we won't all believe the same things. That's because we're all different and think differently. What a blessing from God that is.
4. In expanding liberal ideas and trying to examine/grasp/constructively criticize the argument, the conservatives jump in and attack the liberals personally. That is a fallacy of debate, and shows how few people here know how to debate. You don't call a person "a nasty devil" or "a fruitcake" or "needing Ben-gay" because of their beliefs. It shows how weak the individual argument is.
5. Eventually, the argument runs around and around in circles until we are doing little but name calling, and the liberals still try to protect and express their ideas, while the conservatives seem to be shoving them down our throats.
6. At this point, Michael usually starts another blog, and the cycle continues.
If we could ALL step back for a few minutes and remember what all of these blogs are about - this is about transgendered people. LaBarbera, who is a Christian, brings forth a Christian point of view. Do we all have to believe it? NO. It's called free will and free thinking.
People, look at the world around you. How would you feel as a parent to have a baby born asexually and you have to make the choice for that baby to be a boy or girl, only to find out 10 years down the road that the gender you chose is not compatible with their hormones. I can't imagine more of a personal Hell: being forced to live in a body that I knew was wrong.
Please, understand, I am a Christian and pray to God I never have to make that choice for a child, among many other things. But God created those asexual people just as he created us in his image and likeness. You could equate this (somewhat) to changing the haircolor God gave you. I'm a redhead, but have gone blonde for many years. Does that mean that I am going against God's will? Do we really want to force gender roles back upon people, making women wear skirts and leave the workplace?
It does not bother me on bit if a transgendered individual worked with me. I know the issue about using the same bathroom has been brought up. If you're that worried, put toilet paper down on the seat. But remember, there are bathroom stalls so that we can go in there and handle some personal issues as well. I know I wouldn't want everyone seeing me go to the bathroom if I had to fix a "wardrobe malfunction".
Was it that long ago that we had this same segregation with blacks? Are we reverting back into a society where Jim Crow will apply to gay people now? What next? Attacking people who live together but aren't married? I fear for the society that becomes so closed minded that no one can be accepted.
phoenix_rising,
I went to bed last night and got up this morning and read the post you and greasemonkey had after I had went to bed.
I enjoyed seeing that type of communication a lot better than what I had seen earlier in the evening (incuding and especially mine).
I hope we can all see how you two can have a different opinion but handle in a way that is much better as you two did. It was an example I am going to try and adhere to. Good job guys.
In trying to keep with the same spirit I do wish you would look at something you said and try to at least look at my thoughts on it, right or wrong.
There is a lot of truth in the 6 bullet points you mentioned above. I will be the first to admit I may be wrong but I feel the that item 4 is reversed. I see a conservative stating his view on his blog and liberals being the first to start the condemnation and attack the conservative personally. I may be wrong and will go back and look at the start of every blog Michael has started and try to keep an open mind to see what has actually been going on. I hope everyone will make a similar effort.
Maybe I should stop now while I am ahead but I must ask you to briefly consider one more thing. Your last paragraph mentions blacks and segregation. I think there is a difference between the issue of being black and being homosexual. It is just my opinion but I think the big difference is it is not a sin to be black where it is a sin to freely and willfully engage in a homosexual lifesyle. I may be wrong but that is just my opinion which I ask you to not neccassarily believe but simply respect.
It is because I love the homosexuals that I even mention my opinion. It is not hate. I hate and despice the sin itself but love the sinner.
If it was nothing but hate I would simply turn by eye to it and let it be.
Just think about it if you will phoenix_rising. Again, I admire yours and greasemonkeys continued discussion last night and will try to learn from it.
Parkerbrothers,
Upon readings you comments, I am very humbled. I believe you have many good ideas, but at times we can all become childish in making points and play "hey, watch me one-up you" like we're 5 year olds. :)
I see that you have written you love the homosexuals, and I respect that. I have friends who are gay and feel they should be entitled to all the privileges anyone else is entitled to. I mentioned the Jim Crow issues because it appeared your mind had become that closed. I see now that you are willing - I hope! - to be more open-minded. One of the most upsetting comments you made last night, though, was "I actually despice the nasty thought of a homosexual even looking at me" (posted by parkerbrothers on Fri, Mar 28, 2008, at 5:25 PM). Yes, I did go on the offense after that -- because I was very offended. I hope that we can refrain from these statements in the future -- both you and me, and everyone else who participates in these blogs.
I am very glad that you want to turn down the heat on these discussions, which I am all for and want as well. I hate us using such words as we have both used before. This should be an open forum for expressing ideas rather than damning each other for stating opinions.
I look forward to our future conversations. :)
And in response to your comment about the #4 bullet point, I have only seen the newest blogs posted since or around Tuesday. I do not know what has happened in previous blogs, and I do understand your point. Depending on the article, one group goes on attack and one group defends their views. Eventually, everyone just attacks. Those bullet points were simply statements as to how I have seen things progress in these blogs. Maybe we can all do better.
Phoenix,
Don't get your hopes up about ParkerBrothers, he has pulled this before, apologizing and regretting things he said, only to turn around a couple of hours later and start name calling and telling a certain blogger that he was indeed the actual anti-christ. Sorry to say this, but this man is in no way sincere and does not want to talk in a nice manner. Don't fall into his trap. Like I said, he has pulled this stunt before.
A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. John 13:34 also John15:12
(I am not without sin, and often have to pray for forgiveness.) But I know I am not suppose to judge, like or hate anyone. We are told to only Love ye one another. I can not dwell on other peoples sins or wrong doings, only my own and that will be between me and my Heavenly father.
I am, going to say this, that posting things about the bible or from the bible, or obtaining to God or the bible and then letting others comment and go into an argument freenzy, whith out spiritual guidance and explaination on the subject is a shepard letting the sheep go astray. A pastor should be more involved in these conversations than to just post something relate it to the bible and then just sit back and watch arguments sprout up from this, and then begin more blogs.
God wants us to bring people to him, not get the people into heated arguments. You can cause alot of confusion in religion if you do not speak from God, through the guidance of the Holy Spirit. We are suppose to be Fishers of men. Be careful what you are attempting to do. If it is not pleasing in his sight, then do not do it.
Don't get your hopes up about ParkerBrothers, he has pulled this before, apologizing and regretting things he said, only to turn around a couple of hours later and start name calling and telling a certain blogger that he was indeed the actual anti-christ. Sorry to say this, but this man is in no way sincere and does not want to talk in a nice manner. Don't fall into his trap. Like I said, he has pulled this stunt before.
-- Posted by Disturbia on Sat, Mar 29, 2008, at 1:53 PM
Disturbia,
To help you understand things better I want to tell you I am not or have never meant it to be an apology for WHAT was said. I do not want anyone to think I believe any differently on WHAT was said. I only regret my failure to allow myself to be induced into a room where the temperature was above my comfort level and for me adding wood to the stove.
Now as far as that goes, I probably can and will fail again when the inducement presents itself. I am going to continue to try however, not to succumb to the inducements.
My comments to phoenix_rising were merely meant to tell him I support his effort when he made the comment...."Greasemonkey, I appreciate this conversation we are having and are able to have once we both have laid down our weapons. :)".
My post back to him was not meant to be construed as an apology and/or regret for my beliefs. It only was a statement that I support what he and greasemonkey had done and think it would be best if we all (including me) followed the example these two mature adults had set.
In further clarification of your post I want to say that I feel there is nothing wrong with saying that one or many of the antichrists mentioned in the Bible are among us. John said they were already there approximately 2000 years ago.
I left no doubt to what I thought an antichrist is. I left ample opportunity for anyone that I felt met the qualifications of the antichrist I described to refute and deny they were that antichrist but none seized the opportunity as I hoped and prayed would.
-- Posted by parkerbrothers on Sun, Mar 30, 2008, at 11:07 AM
Just read this one and I have to tell you that I DO NOT have GOD in a box in a corner. I do not hide him. I have GOD in my HEART !!!!!!!!!!!!.
"I left no doubt to what I thought an antichrist is. I left ample opportunity for anyone that I felt met the qualifications of the antichrist I described to refute and deny they were that antichrist but none seized the opportunity as I hoped and prayed would. "
The reason no-one wants to refute or deny your accusations is because people feel you are so full of yourself that it is more than pointless to have to prove anything to you or anyone else. Since you could not even answer my one simple question, you figured it would be better to start point fingers accusing people of wrongdoings so you wouldn't have to answer the question. It is a 3rd grade tactic that you have grown fond of.
Since You, Michael, and a few others that I have asked a few question of can only say:
HE DIED AND HE ROSE... That really doesn't answer my questions, it's kind of like asking Bush about Iraq, Katrina, and the Economy and he just stares at you and says 9/11. Thats how ridiculous you and Michael sound when people have real questions. I have found a real blog site that I can actually get real answers to my questions and decided it is best for me to stay there.
I will like to say, Thanks to quantumcat for the insightful posts, to darrick_04, sharon, laura, dianetn, and the many others that are incredible thinkers and even though I disagree with a few of you on a few things, I have enjoyed talking to you face to face at the meetings. I have left my number on here numerous times so if anyone wants to contact me, please do so.
parkerbrothers, tdc, Michael Bell, Unusual-Lies, I think you are worse than radical shiites on a bad crack binge and should really chill the hell out.
Nuff said,
Evil Monkey with the nice warm butt full of parkerbrothers lip-prints:)
Evil Monkey
Ask me a question and I will try my best and find the answer.
"I will not succumb to the inducements"
"I will not succumb to the inducements"
"I will not succumb to the inducements"
Ah! Ha! It worked again. I think I am on to something.
Had nothing to do with you, it had to do with my own personal life. If you feel that you have that much power over me, you are sadly mistaken. I am glad you found me a threat that you felt you had to attack verbally and personally. I am glad you felt to use Christianity as your crutch and your lies to place yourself above everyone else.
But I really believe that you are a sad, pitiful human that rots in his own self-worth and feels the need to attack others to make yourself feel superior. I know that you have no control over your mind anymore, I can see it in each and every post you make that you are slipping deeper and deeper into a very bad cycle that will have a fatal outcome if you do not seek some professional help soon. So as a friend I ask you to go please seek the help you are desiring now before you do something drastic to yourself.
"I will not succumb to the inducements"
"I will not succumb to the inducements"
"I will not succumb to the inducements"
Hey, This works better than the Energizer Bunny.
"I will not succumb to the inducements"
"I will not succumb to the inducements"
"I will not succumb to the inducements"
Hey, This works better than the Energizer Bunny.
-- Posted by parkerbrothers on Sun, Mar 30, 2008, at 6:28 PM
Seriously Parkerbrothers, does your mommy know you are playing on the computer?
"I will not succumb to the inducements"
"I will not succumb to the inducements"
"I will not succumb to the inducements"
It even works on Disturbia. I was not induced by here snarl remarks to participate on the same low level. It works.
"I will not succumb to the inducements"
"I will not succumb to the inducements"
"I will not succumb to the inducements"
Will you please post this on Michael's next blog as the very first comment...
darrick_04,
This is Michael's blog of which he should be able to post his opinion as he sees fit and wants to.
However if Michael makes degrading comments about me in an attempt to induce me into a name calling frenzy then I will consider doing it in an attempt to prevent myself from joining him in like manner.
I do not think I have to worry about that.
darrick_04,
You know you could always start your own blog and limit who can post on yours. They would eliminate a lot of problems you might have.
You have to somehow appreciate Michael's willingness to let you and others post their different views on his blog. I think it shows a great deal about Michael's character and openness to the ridicule and deflamation to himself he has suffered patiently with.
I do not think his opponents would extend the same hand.
"I will not succumb to the inducements"
"I will not succumb to the inducements"
"I will not succumb to the inducements"
Ah! Ha! It worked again. I think I am on to something.
-- Posted by parkerbrothers on Sun, Mar 30, 2008, at 5:24 PM
You sure about that?
I hope.
parkerbrothers
We as christians need to set a better example. Think about what you say before saying it. I had a cousin that started going to church and got saved and baptized and a fellow christian said something about a problem she had and said they didn't allow that in church (which was not his place to say) and she has not been back to church since. That's been 5yrs ago. She was not raised in church and didn't have a clue about hipocrites in the church. I myself have been in church since I was a baby and I know you have a few judges, but you have to overlook and say to yourself.. this person is not the reason why I'm here. Please don't be a stumbling block for those that have questions about Jesus. If they get negative responses they are not going to follow that.
Not all christians are judgemental. This world is full of it and we've just got to keep in mind God is what matters! Not what others think. Who cares what anyone thinks of us? God is the only one we should please. I'm also pointing a finger at myself. I need to remind myself of that everyday. Life is hard. I may not know everything or have any answers, but I know one day I can ask Him ,and all my troubles will not matter. God loves you! Lets spread that instead of arguing.
christiangirl,
It just proves my point all along, they cannot answer a question. They know nothing about God, Jesus, the meaning of the Bible, what it is to be a follower of Jesus Christ and to walk the path of righteousness. Instead they use sarcastic grade school tactics and keep posting ridiculous comments that warrant no reading. The best thing to do is not even comment or read them.
parkerbrothers tends to think this is Michaels personal blog, but if that were the case there wouldn't be a comment field, nor can Michael delete comments. He doesn't allow anything, only the Times Gazette has that authority.
christiangirl,
I try to always think about what I say before I say it.
But I have to say that I ask myself first and foremost, is it the truth.
The fact that someone may consider it negative is not a consideration.
Churches indeed would be more full if they relied on the tickling of the ears.
Unfortunately too many "churches" today have got caught up in the "pretty building syndrome" thinking a structure is what the church is and financed their way into a situation where they have to tickle the ears in order to fill the plate.
Fortunately there are some "churches" who understand that the church is not a building and still preach only the truth.
You seem to also have some confusion over the term judging. Calling a rose a rose is not judging. That is simply discerning that it is not a daisy.
You are right. God does love us. Let's love him even like Lot did.
Evil Monkey,
If we appear to know nothing about God, Jesus and the meaning of the Bible to you it is perhaps because of having a different source of information that has established our faith that seems contrary to you.
As long as you still stand by your confession that.... "Simply put, the Bible isn't a really good source of information" and "Your faith, grace of god and death of jesus has nothing to do with you being saved" I will always appear to know nothing about God, Jesus, the meaning of the Bible to you.
I am not trying to put you down Evilmonkey. I just can not understand what has a hold on you. As you know I am not the first to be confused about it. Only 3 months ago you were creating the same confusion. Why do wish to create confusion?
Evil Monkey I just can't seem to get a grip on your understanding of Jesus or the Bible. You seem to know a lot about him but not believe in the Bible as a reliable source of information. Where do you get your revelation about Jesus?-- Posted by devan on Sun, Dec 23, 2007, at 8:24 PM
parkerbrothers,
That was posted over 3 months ago? DO you not think he gets it by now? Has devan posted that recently? Didn't think so. It is funny how you never seem to post the date or what was said before the other two quotes, Again, keep grasping for those last vestiges of clout that you believe might still have left.
You can't seem to understand that you do not have one ounce of diginity left. You act like a child, you throw temper tantrums and use grade school nuances to prove a point?? Please get a friggin clue? How can anyone take you seriously? I have gone out of my way, I EVEN LEFT for 5 days to allow you to gain some respect and you continued to show your antics?
Is this the type of professional behavior you use when you are confronting clients? If they do a search on parkerbrothers on google, do you think they will be impressed by your behavior? Do you honestly think you could salvage your reputation? ROFL man, you are so naive.
I even left for 5 days and you still continued your tirade, simply priceless. Really. Go keep copy and pasting more stuff, keep struggling to discredit me as much as you want, it is funny to watch you squirm.
parkerbrothers:
I think Evil Monkey has answered my question posted above. I now understand from his postings since then that he draws his revelation from a wide range of sources some that neither you nor I may consider "inspired", but at least he is seeking revelation. That is another source for debate, however.
On the other hand, I think you are right in challenging him to respond with an explanation of his "Stargate" and other such pronouncements which seem contradictory to his other professions of faith (....."Hell, I believe Stargate has more fact then the Bible and I know Stargate is pure fictional." and...." I don't believe in God, Hell or any of the other crap so none of it matters. And as I grow older, I am finally given up believing in Santa and the Tooth Fairy." and then....."Simply put, the Bible isn't a really good source of information").
I don't think he is the only one who has failed to respond when asked questions, but if you accuse anyone else then you should not be surprised when you are challenged on the same thing. That has been a constant source of irritation on these blogs.
I do however salute you on your new mantra of not succumbing to the inducements to respond in kind when baited by insensitive or offensive remarks. A lot of us have been guilty of this and all the debates would be furthered if everyone observed this rule. Stay stong in this commitment because to keep credibility is must be unwavering.
Are you serious? He has posted the "I will not succumb to the inducements" yet continues to explain himself time and time again (see two posts right above yours).. That is not "staying strong in this committment" by any stretch of the imagination.
I do not think he meant he would not respond but that he would not respond "in kind" to posts that were more invective than informative. Such as this from another blog.
You've already succumb to the inducment of many phsychological drugs...
-- Posted by nascarfanatic on Mon, Mar 31, 2008, at 1:29 AM
You seem to "think" alot like him... The entire time he was ranting, you were quiet... Why didn't you step in then?
I had made a commitment to "fast" from blogging for awhile because I felt myself "succumbing" to some things that I did not feel were very Christ like. I am not now defending parkerbrothes for some of the things he said. I am only saying that if he honors his commitment then we should try to go on from here. I hope the only time I think like anyone is when they are trying to think like "jesus loves everyone".
devan,
Are you serious? Really. The context in which those were taken have been stated many times. IF you read the ENTIRE post that I wrote regarding any of those above PARTIAL statement, then any NORMAL person would realize the context in which they were intended.
Stop being idiotic and taking information second hand from a person that clearly has the capacity of an elementary student. And please let me apologize to any elementary students out there, I should not classify them as worse as parkerbrothers.
EM
I did go back searching through about 25 blogs it seemed and I finally found most of the quoted material in the blog titled "Just a Bunch of Thoughts". After re-reading the material I find no contextual indications that change the meaning of what you stated. Maybe you were just being sarcastic or bombastic? On the other hand, I may be ABNORMAL, idiotic, or just an elementary student. Irregardless, these things you stated still bother me, not so much that you said them, but that they are not consistent with other things that you have said that indicate you actually believe differently.
Evil Monkey,
I will go back and repost all the quotes with the time and date and blog of which they originated. I apologize for not including all the information. You do deserve the opportunity to have it posted so the context can be seen.
I have read all of them carefully before and do not see the meaning changing any within the entire post itself but I will do as I said for you. As I had said earlier I thought there were two different people making some of your post when I first read them.
I do not think he meant he would not respond but that he would not respond "in kind" to posts that were more invective than informative. Such as this from another blog.
You've already succumb to the inducment of many phsychological drugs...
-- Posted by nascarfanatic on Mon, Mar 31, 2008, at 1:29 AM
Posted by devan on Mon, Mar 31, 2008, at 12:21 PM on ANY DOUBT!
devan,
That is what I meant. I do not mind responding to anything if it has meaning other than to degrade and cast a negative tone.
I have allowed myself to fall into the inducements before and I am trying to not succumb to the temptation any more.
I know I will probably fail but I am at least going to try. I know it may appear childish but if I repeat it to myself 3 times before I say anything it works. It really works for me.
Maybe being born again reverts me back to a more childish faith and behavior but I am not going to complain about it. Thanks for understanding.
LOL...
darrick_04,
Thanks darrick04.
Michaelbell,
I just clicked on the website that you posted at the start of this blog. It was very encouraging once I got by the dissapointment of Obama's statements. I was enlighteded to to see the results of the poll on beliefs of aquiring salvation they had taken which are as follows:
0.43% - Achieved by good works.
3.72% - Gained through good works plus God's grace.
95.85% - Given by God by Grace through Faith.
I found that to be remarkable and joyful that the majority of the ones polled understood the Gospel.
Even more lifting were the comments so many had posted.
I am glad they did not poll the posters on here. I am afraid the results may have been reversed.
Great blog to view for voters needing to know what a candidate believes. I will take one anyday that talks to God as Bush does. I only wish he was able to run for a third term.
Wheeeew, Thank You Jesus, he is NOT! Don't think the world can stomach him anymore. (Bllaaaghhh) Oh excuse me. :)
Great blog to view for voters needing to know what a candidate believes. I will take one anyday that talks to God as Bush does. I only wish he was able to run for a third term.
-- Posted by parkerbrothers on Mon, Mar 31, 2008, at 8:17 PM
Exactly what has he done that has been positive for this country? Besides giving the richest people in the country even more money, I can't think of anyone who has fared well under his administration...
Thom where are you? Can't you tell this man that YOU a Republican, don't like Bush... It's nice to know Bush things God has told him to lie about war, cover up coroporate scandals, and price gouge the American consumer into oblivion...
George Bush is definitely a man who speaks to God everyday... Let's see how much that has done for him...
George W. Bush Resume:
Past work experience:
Ran for congress and lost.
Produced a Hollywood slasher B movie.
Bought an oil company, but couldn't find any oil in Texas, company went bankrupt shortly after I sold all my stock.
Bought the Texas Rangers baseball team in a sweetheart deal that took land using tax-payer money. Biggest move: Traded Sammy Sosa to the Chicago White Sox.
With fathers help (and his name) was elected Governor of Texas.
Accomplishments: Changed pollution laws for power and oil companies and made Texas the most polluted state in the Union. Replaced Los Angeles with Houston as the most smog ridden city in America. Cut taxes and bankrupted the Texas government to the tune of billions in borrowed money. Set record for most executions by any Governor in American history.
Became president after losing the popular vote by over 500,000 votes, with the help of my fathers appointments to the Supreme Court.
Accomplishments as president:
Attacked and took over two countries.
Spent the surplus and bankrupted the treasury.
Shattered record for biggest annual deficit in history.
Set economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any 12 month period.
Set all-time record for biggest drop in the history of the stock market.
First president in decades to execute a federal prisoner.
First president in US history to enter office with a criminal record.
First year in office set the all-time record for most days on vacation by any president in US history.
After taking the entire month of August off for vacation, presided over the worst security failure in US history.
Set the record for most campaign fund-raising trips than any other president in US history.
In my first two years in office over 2 million Americans lost their job.
Cut unemployment benefits for more out of work Americans than any president in US history.
Set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12 month period.
Appointed more convicted criminals to administration positions than any president in US history.
Set the record for the least amount of press conferences than any president since the advent of television.
Signed more laws and executive orders circumventing the Constitution than any president in US history.
Presided over the biggest energy crises in US history and refused to intervene when corruption was revealed.
Presided over the highest gasoline prices in US history and refused to use the national reserves as past presidents have.
Cut healthcare benefits for war veterans.
Set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously take to the streets to protest me (15 million people), shattering the record for protest against any person in the history of mankind. (http://www.hyperreal.org/~dana/marches/)
Dissolved more international treaties than any president in US history.
My presidency is the most secretive and un-accountable of any in US history.
Members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in US history. (the 'poorest' multi-millionaire, Condoleezza Rice has an Chevron oil tanker named after her).
Had more states to simultaneously go bankrupt than any president in the history of the United States.
Presided over the biggest corporate stock market fraud of any market in any country in the history of the world.
Created the largest government department bureaucracy in the history of the United States.
Set the all-time record for biggest annual budget spending increases, more than any president in US history.
First president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the human rights commission.
First president in US history to have the United Nations remove the US from the elections monitoring board.
Removed more checks and balances, and have the least amount of congressional oversight than any presidential administration in US history.
Rendered the entire United Nations irrelevant.
Withdrew from the World Court of Law.
Refused to allow inspectors access to US prisoners of war and by default no longer abide by the Geneva Conventions.
First president in US history to refuse United Nations election inspectors (during the 2002 US elections).
All-time US (and world) record holder for most corporate campaign donations.
My biggest life-time campaign contributor presided over one of the largest corporate bankruptcy frauds in world history (Kenneth Lay, former CEO of Enron Corporation).
Spent more money on polls and focus groups than any president in US history.
First president in US history to unilaterally attack a sovereign nation against the will of the United Nations and the world community.
First president to run and hide when the US came under attack (and then lied saying the enemy had the code to Air Force 1)
First US president to establish a secret shadow government.
Took the biggest world sympathy for the US after 911, and in less than a year made the US the most resented country in the world (possibly the biggest diplomatic failure in US and world history).
With a policy of 'dis-engagement' created the most hostile Israeli-Palestine relations in at least 30 years.
Fist US president in history to have a majority of the people of Europe (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and stability.
First US president in history to have the people of South Korea more threatened by the US than their immediate neighbor, North Korea.
Changed US policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government contracts.
Set all-time record for number of administration appointees who violated US law by not selling huge investments in corporations bidding for government contracts.
Failed to fulfill my pledge to get Osama Bin Laden 'dead or alive'.
Failed to capture the anthrax killer who tried to murder the leaders of our country at the United States Capitol building. After 18 months I have no leads and zero suspects.
In the 18 months following the 911 attacks I have successfully prevented any public investigation into the biggest security failure in the history of the United States.
Removed more freedoms and civil liberties for Americans than any other president in US history.
In a little over two years created the most divided country in decades, possibly the most divided the US has ever been since the civil war.
Entered office with the strongest economy in US history and in less than two years turned every single economic category heading straight down.
Records and References:
At least one conviction for drunk driving in Maine (Texas driving record has been erased and is not available).
AWOL from National Guard and Deserted the military during a time of war.
Refuse to take drug test or even answer any questions about drug use.
All records of my tenure as governor of Texas have been spirited away to my fathers library, sealed in secrecy and un-available for public view.
All records of any SEC investigations into my insider trading or bankrupt companies are sealed in secrecy and un-available for public view.
All minutes of meetings for any public corporation I served on the board are sealed in secrecy and un-available for public view.
Any records or minutes from meetings I (or my VP) attended regarding public energy policy are sealed in secrecy and un-available for public review.
For personal references please speak to my daddy or uncle James Baker (They can be reached at their offices of the Carlyle Group for war-profiteering.)
Maybe he is speaking to the god of evil! That would answer alot of questions.
nascarfanatic,
In most instances , just as this one, most people want to blame the President for anything less than good.
The amazing thing is they get blamed for things of which they have not the sole authourity to cause. For example you said "Spent the surplus and bankrupted the treasury." I believe you are vesting a little more authority in him than he has.
I question anyone who thinks that this President or any in history have had the absolute authourity to control the end results of so many things you mentioned.
I do admire his way of handling the unpopular wars we have had with pride and dignity instead of turning a blind eye and allowing it to embed deeper into our soil. One day of it was enough for me.
I do admire his way of handling the unpopular wars we have had with pride and dignity instead of turning a blind eye and allowing it to embed deeper into our soil. One day of it was enough for me.
-- Posted by parkerbrothers on Tue, Apr 1, 2008, at 3:02 PM
Isn't it too bad though that the majority of the "hi-jackers" were from Saudi Arabia not Iraqis... You know, if the United States and its secret intelligence didn't appoint so many dictators, they wouldn't have to make up lies in order to take them out decades later.
The only way he has handled the war is with "pride" which is not a good thing, especially when you can't admit a single mistake... Btw, I remember seeing the 'Mission Accomplished' banner atleast two years ago... right!
parkerbrothers,
Instead of listening to top advisors who told him time and time again that MORE troops were needed in the initial invasion, he ignored them. He then fired them, and replaced them with officers who he knew would tell him what he wanted to hear...
He and the CIA fabricated stories of "uranium tubes being transported in from Africa", WMDs, etc, etc... we all know that none of that was found. His intelligence that he relied on cherry picked bits and pieces of information that they knew would sell the war which nearly everyone, ESPECIALLY the soldiers regret and wish had never taken place.
Instead of listening to the laws of the Geneva Convention, he allows torture of detainees who have been convicted of NOTHING. He has made a mockery of the U.S. Constitution which gives NO authority to things such as the Patriot Act...
Instead of actually participating in the United Nations dialogue, our president essentially said "to hell with them, we'll go at it alone" (or with you know one country, and 20 small countries that are in it for the financial rewards)
You will never correct a mistake, as long as you turn a blind eye to it. Our president, and leaders, aid and abed terrorists regimes all day long, they appoint dictators to powerful positions in, to keep world countries oppressed so that we don't have to deal with them.
I don't think God cares much a man who has waged wars with "God's approval" (really, God wants us to wage wars that had no merit, hmmm...)
My gripe with this man is, he blatanly says "I am the decider" yet when things go wrong, it was never he who made a mistake...
I question anyone who thinks that this President or any in history have had the absolute authourity to control the end results of so many things you mentioned.
-- Posted by parkerbrothers on Tue, Apr 1, 2008, at 3:02 PM
All president's must approve most Congressionaly legislation... Bush faced no opposition for the first 6 years of his 8 years in office, which means he did have total control over most of the debt. Secondly, he didn't ask for Congresses approval for the war (he and others had been drawing up the initial invasion as early as 1998).
I used to admire Bush. In fact, I thought the way the world was united behind us, and our own country felt a great sense of patriotism, for the first time in decades, was a true testament of things to come from him... I was sadly mistaken, while he and others wage religious wars, and try to legislate morality, things like jobs, saftey, healthcare, national debt, currency values, were all overlooked. I wish my initial thoughts of Bush were still true, and they would be if he had ever kept his word. Real leaders are defined not how they handle success, but how they handle failures. But of course all the problems he has caused, he won't solve, that will be up to the next president.
I wish Ron Paul were still a viable candidate :(
nascarfanatic,
One good thing about this country is we all have the priviledge to vote. As you know he can not run for another term since he has already been elected twice and almost served two terms.
We are now left to only choose from fresh meat. I would not want the job no matter what the benifits are.
I agree with that statement parkerbrothers... I surely couldn't handle that responsibility. But that's why you and I are smarter than Bush because we didn't try anyways... ;)
Even if I could handle the responsibilities I think I would still just choose to run from it with good sense.
The Devil comes , to Lie, Steal, Kill, and Destroy.
LIE -about who caused 911?
STEAL -$$?, Gas?, Iraq? (Maybe)
KILL -Innocent people accused, for wrong reasons.
DESTROY -Lives, war, homes, jobs, etc.
>The only way he has handled the war is with "pride" which is not a good thing-- Posted by parkerbrothers on Tue, Apr 1, 2008, at 3:02 PM
PRIDE is what got Lucifer into trouble with God, and he got cast out of Heaven.
>My gripe with this man is, he blatanly says "I am the decider" yet when things go wrong, it was never he who made a mistake...-- Posted by nascarfanatic on Tue, Apr 1, 2008, at 8:19 PM
THE ACCUSER- this was what Lucifer was called when he was the annointed cherub. Like a attorney for God. Before he was cast from Heaven.
Momof3&3step&1gran,
The only way he has handled the war is with "pride" which is not a good thing...
-- Posted by darrick_04 on Tue, Apr 1, 2008, at 7:42 PM
Parkerbrothers didn't post that, albeit I agree with your assertions :)
darrick_04,
Thanks. I had just saw that and wondered if I had slipped and showed my bad typing skills again. No harm meant. No harm done.
Please forgive me, You are right, I did not realize I had done that. You 2's names were so close, I lost the area it came from.
Momof3&3step&1gran,
No harm done. I make more typing mistakes than anyone so I know how it feels to make an honest little mistake as that.
I wish that was the biggest mistake I had ever made.
Me Too! : )
"I wish Ron Paul were still a viable candidate :("
Ron Paul is still running, he is still on the ballot and he has no intention of stopping.