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I read each and every comment on these blogs and they get so far off the subject it is unreal so I will sum it up.
On the topic of gays can't stop them from doing it I don't think they should be afforded the same rights as married men and women.
Trans gender they just strange to me and I don't believe you are born either gay or trans , but then again that is just me.
Abortions if legal should be discussed on a case by case basis before being allowed or not with strict guidelines.
Judeo-Christianity should be made the national religion and be taught in schools as a selective course for those who want it.
When this life is over we will all have to answer for something and mine will be "Father God I plead the precious blood of your Son Jesus Christ for I am not worthy of your grace and mercy."
Like I said months ago I live my life as the Bible were true with all the good and bad for if I live my life by it and it is not true then I have not lost nothing.
If I don't live my life by it and it is true then I will have lost everything.
That is not a gamble I am willing to make.
We all set and comment back and forth , but what it boils down to is we all want to live and in and see our kids grow up in our own vision of a moral society.
Maybe some people do have more homosexual tendencies that others , but they can choose not to go that way.
Everything in these time is about offending someone or some group and everything else.
Somebody somewhere is going to always be offended.
You won't change your thoughts or actions to not offend me ,neither will I change mine.
What the 60's children did looked awful to the parents of the 40's and the 70's of the 50's and so on .
I seen two teens out yesterday in Gothic makeup and apparel with all kind of piercings and thought "my kids would never do that "
Well I guess it boils down to each his own I guess.
I will defend the traditions that I was raised up on as one man and one woman in marriage and other ones that I have not tackled yet for as long as God leaves me on this earth.
I will do better on leaving comments sooner that waiting till the end.
I thought a blog was for a persons thought or belief or things that they do .
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quantumcat
My guess is angels do have gender because they wanted to come to earth and marry women because they were beautiful. This suggests that the gender was all male angels or they would not have had desires for the earthly women. If there were female angels you would think that there would have been no need to marry earthly women. But, since there are no marriages in heaven, there would be no marriages in heaven between angels and sex is out of the question, so the angels would have to become mortal to marry earthly women. Satan was no doubt behind that too.
God doesn't want us to glorify angels. We are to worship God not angels. If all the angels in the bible revealed their names people would be collecting angel dolls and putting names on the angels until they had all the angels, like a collection of all the angels, making them idols.
Only 4 angels have been named in the KJV of the Bible that I am aware of.
The 4 angels with names in KJV Bible are: Gabriel, Michael, Lucifer, and the 4th angel:
Revelation 9:11
Their king is the angel from the bottomless pit; his name in Hebrew is Abaddon, and in Greek, Apollyon--the Destroyer.
These names are the names of male angels. I can't prove there are no female angels, only that I have never read of any named a woman or described as a female.
When you read of an account with an angel, the earthly person greets the angel as a "special" earthly guest on one hand by offering them food and drink. On the other hand these angels scare the earthly person into bowing down to them as thou they have come to smite them and they want to ask for forgiveness.
The angels tell everyone to get up and never bow to them because they are servents of the Lord.
I believe female angels would be more distracting to us and would not be as threatening as a male angels. Angels in most cases are carrying messages from God, but there are guardian angels who protect us from all kinds of danger or threats.
I have gritted my teeth several times waiting for my car to ram the back of another car, or another car plowing into me, but it never happened. There had to be an angel preventing it.
If anyone knows of the names of any other angels in the KJV Bible, or any female angels, please let me know.
You are right. When you accept Christ, God is within you and you are going to do God's Will. It doesn't get any better. It won't matter if you are a man or a woman, handicapped or not, Catholic, Jewish or Protestant, American or Chinese. You are a child of God.
I don't know whether angels have gender as we know it or not.
I do think it would be a sad thing if someone got the idea that a woman was a thing of iniquity only because she was a. female or b. didn't have legs like Tina Turner.
Character is a lot more important than appearance or "type".
If not,why would God have created and preserved "unclean" species and "cursed" peoples?
Surely,He has given all groups the chance to produce individuals that serve and glorify Him.
That makes me tend to think our labels are of little consequence.
We can take pride in belonging to groups with a good reputation but,ultimately,the group is defined by the honor of its members more than the other way around.
That being the case,how much would it matter how God manifested in beings (individually or collectively) so long as they fulfilled His will in how they chose to act?
quantumcat
According to Zechariah 5 (as I read it) an angel was showing Zechariah a vision of wickedness. The ephah represents the dry measure of a bushel basket. The angel shows a woman siting in the midst of the ephah. The angel holds up a piece of lead and says this is wickedness and casts it into the ephah. Then when Zechariah open his eyes to look, he saw two women come out of the ephah. These were not angels even thou they had wings. They were a representation of more wickedness in a vision. They carried the ephah off into the sky to the land of Shinar but it was only a vision, so these were not angels, only images of women representing wickedness with wings.
I definitely would not acknowledge them as being angels. If you think they are I won't argue with you.
If anyone else has any honest input please add it, so we can come to a better understanding of angels and the word of God.
quantumcat
There you go! I have to eat my words on that one. It sounds like women angels to me. I will admit I AM wrong until such time as I read something that proves other wise. I have never read that before.
That is the only account I have heard of, and I thank you for bringing it to my attention.
If there is just one woman angel, or two women in this case, it changes everything I believe about angels. I personally am glad that God had women as angels. I thought it unusual, but who am I to question God?
In some cases it may be a vision of someone seeing an angel in the image of someone they knew? Like you said, they can take on any form.
The bible says there will be no marriages in heaven so I believe there may not be any male or female genders in Heaven. Now as far as the new earth goes???
If I made you or anyone think I know EVERYTHING about the Bible, I must be doing something right. I have admitted several times that I don't know everything, nor any man does. I haven't even read the whole Bible yet and probably won't in my lifetime. I only know what I know until someone can make me change my mind about it.
That is what these blogs are about isn't it. Helping people understand the word of God? We throw what we know on the table and everyone adds to it or takes it apart and reworks it.
Good one quantumcat. Proves some people don't know EVERYTHING about the Bible. Glad to see you posting still.
In the Christian Bible there are no female angels. I mean Not one female angel mentioned anywhere in the bible. Women were not to talk in church and never talk about religion. They were to ask their husbands about religion. There are books out there that names all kinds of angels and women angels too, but not in the bible. They don't exist.
There will be no females caught up in the clouds to meet Christ. They are all men. Yes, no women in the rapture.
-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Wed, Apr 23, 2008, at 11:25 PM
Who were the women in Zechariah 5:9?
"Then lifted I up mine eyes, and looked, and, behold, there came out two women, and the wind was in their wings; for they had wings like the wings of a stork: and they lifted up the ephah between the earth and the heaven."
The wings might cause one to infer that they are angels but the context could indicate that they were evil due to their "stork legs" (as storks were unclean birds).
Apart from the suggestion that the Nephilim were sired by angels,most references to angels imply that they are androgynous.
They are spirit beings who take on whatever appearance is necessary for their duties.
They could have what we think of as gender or God could have invented the sexes when He created Eve as Adam's helpmeet.
If we become freed of the current human limitations on our relationships,then all the forms of love and intimacy we know now would be replaced by a complete and boundless love greater than anything we can now conceive.
We would not need to be male or female to be "one flesh" and create families.
We would already be one spirit and be kin to every other soul through God.
We might not have our original,distinct qualities erased but we would be a part of all that God is because He created all our aspects in His image and declared them good.
Genesis 1:27 "God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them."
Genesis 5:2 "He created them male and female, and He blessed them and named them Man in the day when they were created."
If humans reach a time when they no longer require sex,race,etc., they may not necessarily come to a point where such differences become flaws that must be eradicated.
Whatever changes and whatever remains the same,we will become who God designed us to be in the begining.
Disturbia
It sounds to me like you have read the bible. It is one of the most Violent story books around. It has been reprinted by man year after year with very few changes in it. It has recorded the history of wars after wars and the destruction of nations and nations. It doesn't hold back any of the gruesome details of what took place in these battles. They didn't have nuclear weapons back then, but they had something beter, GOD. As long as God was with them they won their battles. If they got proud or turned away from God they lost big time. God helped them destroy towns and cities and even nations. God made them go in and kill everyone (even the women and children) in the cities and not take hostages for wives or slaves. He made the jews stay in the wilderness another 40 years because some of the men were afraid to go out and fight the giants who were much larger than they were. when those jews died off he brought them back to fight and kill the giants. God dried up rivers so they could march in and destroy. God destroyed the Egyptian army who came after them when they left Egypt. He even had his angels kill the first born son of the Egyptians so the king would let His people go. God made the walls of the fortress crumble at Jerico so his people could enter the promise land.
God destroyed women, children and men who had any idols of other Gods. His angels killed many people in the book also. It is a book to read seriously and learn what this God is capable of doing. He does hesitate to kill anyone who doesn't do as He says. Any one who doesn't believe in Him or worship Him is taking their life in their own hands. I have never read of any other God destroying, binding or even getting in the way of my God and living to tell about it. Even the idols of other gods could not stand next to anything that belonged to God. God would make it crumble.
Now as for the perverted sex, that is a big sin with God. We think a little sex is a minor sin but it is a huge sin in God's eyes. That's all you read about is the fornication that God Hates and the Adultery that is even worse.
In the Christian Bible there are no female angels. I mean Not one female angel mentioned anywhere in the bible. Women were not to talk in church and never talk about religion. They were to ask their husbands about religion. There are books out there that names all kinds of angels and women angels too, but not in the bible. They don't exist.
There will be no females caught up in the clouds to meet Christ. They are all men. Yes, no women in the rapture.
If you read genesis you know that Adam and Eve had sons and daughters. Adam lived to be 930 years old so they no doubt had many many sons and daughters. Common sense will tell anyone that there was no one but brothers and sisters to marry or nephews and neices many cousins as time went on. So, everyone had to marry their brother/sister or nephew/neice or cousins under the watchful guidence of the creator Himself. As time went on God told the jews they could not marry certain relatives, but no one told the Gentiles who they could marry or not.
Even the Angels in heaven came down to earth to marry women because they were beautiful. How can we blame the angels when the woman are so beautiful. However, that made God very mad, so he condemned the angels to hell, who came down and married the women here on earth. These angels were super humans when they came to earth and had giants as children.
when their time was up on earth, God chained the angels in darkness in hell so they could not go into the world again.
God says a man shall not lay down with another man nor have sex with a woman unless he is married to her, then He tells us if we even think about having sex with a woman we might as well do it because we have fornicated or had adultery in our minds and hearts and have sinned. Those are the two major sins He keeps talking about.
This is the loving God us Christian have Disturbia, so everyone should fear Him just as much as we should. Most christians say they don't fear God, but I do. I know what He is capable of doing. If my God doesn't exist then I don't know what is going to happen. It is all so simple and easy to understand, even a caveman can do it.
That's what makes no sense about the bible and those who choose to live by it, you want to live by one set and not another. How many of you have sold your daughters lately or had sex with your son or daughter, typical behavior in the bible. That is the most violent, sexually perverted book ever written BY MAN!
medical science has said bothers and sister and close relatives would produce retarded, handicapped or children with serious birth defects. We have that with other things like acohol, drugs and cigarettes and anything the doctors want to add from time to time.
Why do we frown upon such behavior today then? Quite hypocritical..
Momof3&3step&1gran
Thank you for your response. You went out of your way to give me the answers. I too will go online to search answers when I can't find it in the bible. If it does not come from the bible I take it with a grain of salt.
I learned a long time ago that the first generations had to take a sister, or a sister's or brother's daughter/granddaughter, etc. as their wife, if I was going to believe the Bible.
Lot's two daughters had to lay with him in order to keep his blood line going. Each daughter had a son. Did they find wives somewhere or did the daughters marry the other ones son? Doesn't really matter does it? Brother and sister incest didn't exist back then and was only discouraged when God gave Moses the Laws in the wilderness. Prior to that a man was not to go into his father's wife or concubines or aunts and a man was not to sleep with his daughter in law or his brother's wife.
I have not personally read the book of Enoch, but their is also Enoch 1, 2, and 3.
When I'm looking for answers to something I Google it to find out where I can find it in the Holy Bible KJV. If it is not in the bible then I research it on the wikipedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Archa...
The bible does not list all seven Archangels, I believe it only mentions 2 Michael and Gabriel.
Cain found wife:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cain
Book of Jubilees (Chapter 4) Cain settled down, marrying his sister, Awan, resulting in his first son, Enoch (considered to be different than the more famous Enoch.
Book of Jubilees: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Jub...
Back then it was OK for kin to marry kin, the gene pool was still pure.
Enoch is often confused with Enos. Enos is grandson to Adam (Genesis 5:5-6), and great grandfather of Enoch (Genesis 5:18). This Enoch is (Possibly, but not certainly) the author of the "Book of Enoch" and is direct descendant of Adam. Same Enoch who is grandfather of Noah
Momof3&3step&1gran
Hi, This post is only to ask you if more answers are in the lost book of Enoch about Cain's wife and not anything else.
Since you have read up on angels maybe you can answer this for me? In your post you quote from the book of Enoch about angels.
"A system of seven Archangels is an old tradition in Abrahamic Religion."
Which Enoch are you referring to, Cain's first born son? Does he say anything in his book about his mother? Did he say who his mother was, you know, the woman Cain took as his wife? or even who Enoch himself married since they were living east of where Adam and Eve were?
Is the Book of Enoch about the Enoch that was the great grandfather of Noah? This Enoch was taken by God. He only lived 365 years when God took him into heaven.
Thanks Unique-Lies.
->Thank you Everyone <-
The function and employment of the cherubim are opposite to that of the 'Adversary(s)' or the being called Satan. Adversaries deceive nations and promote evil, but cherubim check and restrain the powers of adversaries and evil. Yet all is in accordance within the will of the Master (Yahweh).
King Tyre had sinned and was condemned by God to die. The cherubim was there to carry out the sentence.
Satan never received riches for the evil he did nor did God turn him to ashes before the world. No, God was talking about King Tyre.
The Bible doesn't say what kind of angel satan was. He was with God in the beginning so I assumed he was a powerful Archangel. Lucifer is only mentioned once in Isaiah 14:12 but no mention of what kind of angel. I looked Lucifer up in my Dictionary and it said Lucifer was an Archangel. That isn't the Bible, but neither is a book on angels written by ??? The Christian Bibles don't say what kind he was so it isn't important or God would have included it in His Word.
I am glad to see all of you question me. I want you to read it for yourselves and question everyone who tells you something. There are many anti-christ out there right now! Don't believe something just because someone tells you something.
Satan, like God, has many Names and Titles, but as to what kind of Angel he was, it is Mute! Satan has long lost his title as a angel of God's. God is jealous and doesn't want us to bow down to, worship or pray to any angel. God made them lower than man to be servants of God and mankind.
Thanks again for thinking for yourselves and asking for proof.
Revelation 12:9 (NIV) The great dragon was hurled down--that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.
Satan was not an archangel.
Jude 1:9 (NIV) But even the archangel Michael, when he was disputing with the devil about the body of Moses, did not dare to bring a slanderous accusation against him, but said, "The Lord rebuke you!"
Hi unique-lies,
you and I are reading from different sources. I am reading from the Holy Bible King James version.
Ezekiel 28:14 "You were the anointed cherub who covers; I established you; You were on the holy mountain of God; You walked back and forth in the midst of fiery stones.
(Isaiah 14:12) "How you are fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How you are cut down to the ground, You who weakened the nations!
Cherub and Arch angels, both are (Angelic beings)but have different purposes.
Satan was not an Archangel, he was the annointed cherub. He sat higher up than a Archangel. Guardian over Gods thrown. But some Christian literature and legends do refer to him as a archangel.
http://www.allaboutgod.com/story-of-luci...
A system of seven Archangels is an old tradition in Abrahamic Religion. In the Book of Enoch. "Michael, Gabriel, Raphael, Uriel, Raguel, Zerachiel, Remiel.
Remiel was believed to be leader of 200 Grigori (Fallen Angels)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grigori
Centuries later, Psuedo-Dionysius gives them: "Michael, Gabriel, Raphael, Uriel, Chamuel, Jophiel, Zadkiel
The Seven Archangels
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Archa...
Uriel maybe spelled Auriel, not sure.
Christian Angelic Hierarchy:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_a...
Satan was a king of Tyre Ezekiel 28:12
he was also called prince of Tyre.
http://www.keyway.ca/htm2001/20010216.ht...
So much literature, from many areas makes things confusing at times.
Unusual-Lies, were did you find satan was a archangel? I would like to read it. Is it in the Holy Bible?
Amen
rebelrose
That's right, it is April Fools Day! Thanks for the early warning. I will have to stay off here today so people won't think I am just playing a trick on them.
Like you, all these other Gods threw me at first. I have never encountered so many. We had prayer in our school, way back then, but as Michael has stated, we are getting closer to the end time and things are changing.
Unique-Lies,
Great work. Enjoy seeing the vision you have. Keep sharing your comments.
OH my goodness it is already April 1st...So Happy April Fools Day to everyone..
Is that why I read some things twice because of all this...COPY...PASTE...thing going on...There for a while I was really getting a little mixed up...I have always been a wife..mom..all my life..I finished school and got married..I know I may not know all that you guys may know..BUT..I believe that everyone has a right to believe in who they want to believe in..I know when I went to school we had prayer etc...in school and it did not seem to hurt anyone at all..My goodness I never knew there were so many different God's. Yes I know that there is Chruch of Christ....Baptist...Presbyterian...Methodist..etc....That is all I need to know except that I know how the God I believe in makes me feel (wonderful)and he sure feels real to me!!! I hope everyone elses God makes them feel as GOOOD as my God makes me feel..Isn't that what it is all about ????
Momof3&3step&1gran
Satan was an Archangel in the beginning called Lucifer (Isaiah 14:12) You are right in that Lucifer walked the earth and went to and fro from heaven and earth. His angels wanted to go to earth and marry the women on earth so God allowed them to come to earth and marry whomever they wanted. He gave them a life spand of 120 years then chained these fallen angels up in darkness in Hell.
Satan went on traveling to and fro even after the Flood when He came after Job.
The Archangel Micheal fought with Satan and defeated him with the blood of Christ so I don't think Satan was cast out until Jesus was crucified and risen to be at the right hand of His father.
Every since then satan has been the ruler of this world. Don't get me wrong. God created the world and everything in it and is the sovereignty over the world. He did give the world to satan to rule.
Look at how the world is run today... does that look like God is running the show down here? Do you think God causes the disasters that happen on this earth? No, Satan causes the disasters and deaths not God.
(John 3:13) No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven--the Son of Man. Does that sound like God takes people Home to His heaven? God doesn't take people's lives, Satan does because he is the god of this world.
You are right about capital G in God and lower case for gods and satan. Please forgive me of my poor english.
parkerbrothers
You say you have been here for 2 weeks and that "It is hard to satisfy everyone."
I have been on a couple blogs for less than an week and I can tell you right now "YOU WILL NOT SATISFY EVERYONE"! That is Impossible!
Jesus said unless His Father sends someone to Him (Jesus) they will not look for Him! You are not going to convert anyone to your way of believing unless GOD sends them to you.
I leave blogs then go back hours later or the next day to see if anyone wants an answer from me or made a comment because of something I've said. I have no trouble finding them but you make it harder by pasting all the blogs a second time in your blogs. A sentence or two is okay now and then but not every word of every blog.
If someone misses the point then copy their quote.
I am not here to argue with anyone. I only reveal things I have read in the bible to Christians that I believe they may not know. If they don't believe it that is their right and I move on.
Althou I am of the Christian faith I say some of the damndest things for a Christian to say. I don't mind saying what I believe and can back it up with scriptures, but only the Christian faith may be the only ones who will know what I am talking about as far as reading it and proving it.
The whole world has wondered what happens when we die and is there Life after Death. The answers are in the KJV of the Bible.
michaelbell,
These are only my opinion, and it doesn't mean they are right. Everyone thinks and feels different about things, and that's alright.
I agree with you about the gay marriages, I do not feel they should have the same rights as "man and wife". But I will not say they can not go to heaven, or that Jesus does not love them, All can eat from the tree of life, Jesus loves everyone "not saying our sins" we all sin, and fall short of what is expected of us.
I believe people are born transgendered, and gay (with more or less X or Y chromosome) from birth, just like children that are born deformed (missing limbs), or with some form of mental handicap.
I also believe women who want to have abortions should have to discuss with appropriate people of their situation. Although it is the womans body, it is a childs life. Sometimes women are uninformed, or pressured to do it by someone, or think it is the right thing to do only to regret it later, but then it is too late.
I do not believe religion should be taught in school. Because their are so many religions, the school pays little to the teachers we have, tithing can be mishandled, parents (at least "I") would want to attend and know what my child is being taught about religion. So I think it should stay separate, in the church.
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From devan:
> I always admire your level headed and perceptive take on issues. However, I do give credit to parkerbrothers for his attempt to change the tone of his posts. Posted by devan on Mon, Mar 31, 2008, at 12:14 PM
Thanks devan.
parkerbrothers, I understand now thanks for being kind enough to explain. Please forgive me for thinking you were trying to cause trouble. : )
Unique-Lies,
My bible Holy Bible King James version reads:
2 CORINTHIANS 4:4
whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them.
Similar meaning.
(MY Belief) Only God is ruler of Heaven and earth. When satan had authority over the earth, he was Lucifer, a anointed cherub. Precious stones was his covering, he walked in the Garden of Eden. And he had free will, he became vain and wanted to sit above God as being a god, and decided to go against God, on his attempt toward Heaven to go against God he was cast down, he had other angels turn against God, and they too were (cast down from Heaven) and made to roam the earth until God comes and casts satan and his followers into the lake of fire. I also believe this happened after Adam and Eve were created, because everything that God created he saw that it was good, up until Eve was tempted with the forbidden fruit.
There is only 1 True Living "God", with a capitol "G" He is always spelled with a capitol letter. Lord. Any other is only lower case god. (idol gods) This is what I was taught in Sunday School as a child, this is how the bible writes.
2 I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery;
3 Do not have any other gods before me. Exodus 20:2-3 also Deutetonomy 5:6-7
Unique-Lies,
I should have clarified that last comment a little more. There are times that by the time you respond to someone there has been 13 other post made and 3 of them will be by the person you were responding to and it appears as if it is something it is not.
I do not remember you engaging in any of the blogs that were like that but I think you will in time if you stay here.
I hope you remain because you always seem to have a lot to add in a good way.
I also do not not intend for this to be taken the wrong way but you can always scroll past the post you do not want to read. I hope though that you understand why some things have to be done as they are.
Unique-Lies,
It is hard to satisfy everyone. If I do not copy and paste everything then someone gets everything turned around. Wait until you have been here a little longer and I think it will make a little more sense to you.
I have only been around here for a couple of weeks and I figured it out.
Again, time will tell you everything. Just let it pass a while.
It comes down to treating folks as you want to be treated, reguardless of your faith or your sexual orentation.I myself am not a believer of the Bible. I find it hard to believe that only Christians are going to heaven or where ever it is everyone goes. What about Jews, Muslems,and Buddhist.Why does it have to come down to your God is better than mine?We need to just try to get along in this messed up world and help people who can not use this kind of forum to voice their oppions.Have you not read or heard on telivision about what the Tibetan people are going thru with China.All I am asking is just open your minds and your hearts to others.
parkerbrothers
PLEASE, PLEASE don't copy and paste everyones post when you answer someone. If you must cut and paste then Please just copy and paste the posted by line. Thank you in advance!
Please don't... Takes up entirely too much space!
-- Posted by jesuslovesevery1 on Mon, Mar 31, 2008, at 6:35 PM
Scroll through it if it gets too long.
It is only fair that the quotes give reference to the time and date and blog they came from so they can be looked at in their entirety.
I have not found anything to agree on with Evilmonkey except this. I believe he is right on it.
Please don't... Takes up entirely too much space!
devan,
In reference to your comment:
I guess one good rule for Blogging 101 would be if you are going to quote from another's comments you should cite the name of the blog and the date and time. Posted by devan on Mon, Mar 31, 2008, at 2:02 PM on IN RESPONSE.
I think that is a good idea. As you can see I have just took your advice and put it to practice. I did actually include the date and time the first time I used one of the quotes. I will try to include it in the future with all.
I will go back and repost all the quotes I have used with the additional information shortly. Thanks.
Evil Monkey,
It is nothing personal with you. I would have to know you for it to be personal.
It really has nothing to with anything but your degrading remarks about the Bible and Jesus. It is really that simple. I am sorry if that disappoints you but it is the way it is.
The God of "this" world is referenced here as satan. Unbelievers of this world do worship satan. If you are "of the world" satan is your God. You cannot live as the world does and live for Christ. Jesus says "take up your cross and follow me". We are not to be of the world we are to be of Christ. The world is full of all sorts of vile things. A Christian can successfully live in this world but not be of this world.
-- Posted by ontheoutside on Mon, Mar 31, 2008, at 3:35 PM
Very well said.
Momof3&3step&1gran,
The post to disturbia was suppossed to have went to the ANY DOUBTS page. I thought I went back and put it there.
We are having to use a satellite system for our internet here called Wild Blue. If it rains or snows the least little bit it will knock us off line on a regular basis (every 5 minutes). It has gotten to the point that I have to write everything in Word and paste it back into the blog it is supposed to go. I have to do this with all my email also.
As far as the date goes that was posted ( Wed, Dec 31, 1969 ) I have no idea of why it happens. Every post I do on here has that date on it before I hit the send button. That is the first one however that has came up on the blog page with that date. I thought it was just something with the computer but I have never had it happen anywhere else.
In reference to your comment:
"Then when someone responds to your post on this blog, you begin saying "chants" to annoy the person responding. Are you trying to create "Chaos and Turmoil" among the bloggers?"
I have to tell you I am doing nothing in an attempt to annoy the person responding. If you will notice they are not responding but instead are making negative and degrading remarks. I am simply biting my tongue to their negative and degrading comments and refusing to succumb to being induced into the same type of behavior as I have before. I had earlier I was going to try and not fall to their standards again. Sorry you misunderstood but that is just the way it is. Hopefully you can see that if you take the time to read what you call their responce and I call their negative remarks. I think you have it reversed.
Listed below is what you called their responce and I call negative and degrading remarks. Which is it?
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parkerbrothers, tdc, Michael Bell, Unusual-Lies, I think you are worse than radical shiites on a bad crack binge and should really chill the hell out.
Nuff said,
Evil Monkey with the nice warm butt full of parkerbrothers lip-prints:)
-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Sun, Mar 30, 2008, at 3:31 PM
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You've already succumb to the inducment of many phsychological drugs...
-- Posted by nascarfanatic on Mon, Mar 31, 2008, at 1:29 AM
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I hope that clarifies everything Momof3&3step&1gran. If not I will try again. I did the best I could.
There are many things that can become our "god". I've had to be very careful not to allow my children to become someone I worship more than Jesus. The Bible is the holy and inerrant word of God. He sent his son to die for my sins ( and yours) so that I (we)may spend eternity in heaven with him. He is the only way to obtain eternal life. He is a jealous God and desires our all. If we worship other things or people, we put him in second place. I don't want Him to be second in my life and I have to work on that everyday.
ontheoutside
Right! There you go, just wanted to prove the Bibles say this and not just me!
As far as unbelievers go, they worship their Gods or haven't heard the word of God! We can not say their Gods are Satan especially if they don't have a GOD Yet!
Other religions believe and worship their God just as we worship our GOD. Our GOD tells us that all other religions are false religions just as I am sure their God tells them our religion is false.
The Constituion lets all of us worship whoever we want to. I respect that because I can worship my GOD.
2nd Cor 4:4 (NIV) The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.
2nd Cor 4:4 (KJV) In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
The God of "this" world is referenced here as satan. Unbelievers of this world do worship satan. If you are "of the world" satan is your God. You cannot live as the world does and live for Christ. Jesus says "take up your cross and follow me". We are not to be of the world we are to be of Christ. The world is full of all sorts of vile things. A Christian can successfully live in this world but not be of this world.
To rebelrose
I am the one... who made the remark that "SATAN" was the "GOD of THIS WORLD"!
You will find it in (2 Corinthians 4:4). Some versions may say Satan is the Prince of this World or Satan is the GOD of the system of things.
NOTICE: I am only referring to the Christian Religion and what we are taught.
I felt it was only proper to apoligize to phoenix_rising and others for implying their GOD was Satan. I won't apoligize for saying that my bible tells us that Satan is the God of this world.
Satan was cast out of heaven and given the World to rule. Satan tempted Jesus by offering Him any Kingdom on earth if Jesus would worship Him (Satan). Satan could not have offered Jesus anything on earth if he (Satan) wasn't the God of this world!
phoenix_rising answered my posts very politely and courteously and expanded on more heavens and angels.
My bible doesn't list any of those heavens and only lists 6 angles all of whom are male angels. No were have I ever read the name of a female angle or description of a woman angel nor a child angel in my Christian bibles.
"I too hope we can continue with our exchanges and keep them off the personal level."
Totally agree, and I really don't have the time to go back. But if the deflamation does continue and I have to waste my time doing so, then but I will go a few steps further and I will leave that as a surprise.
I guess one good rule for Blogging 101 would be if you are going to quote from another's comments you should cite the name of the blog and the date and time. That way it would be easy to go back and check the original source. If parkerbrothers had done this it would have been easy to see the context in which you made these remarks. My time, like yours I am sure, is at a premium and it is really time consuming and tedious to search back through several blogs looking for specific comments. On the other hand if this is not done, the person defending accusations about their previous comments could do the referencing to help others do their research. Probably not likely that everone will do this but certainly would help the memory challenged like me.
I do remember you saying that these comments were taken out of context but not where they came from or how the context changed their meaning.
I too hope we can continue with our exchanges and keep them off the personal level.
devan,
Let me rephrase, I know you meant no harm, and you felt I was out of line. And you know what? I might have been, but the issue that parkerbrothers has against me is personal. And I am cool with that, honestly, I think it is hilarious that I am going to write a book about the parkerbrothers obsession of Evil Monkey.
I definately want to apologize because you and I both have had some pretty good exchanges of commentary regarding religion and history. I don't want to ruin that kind of dialog we had because of this ninny. I just found it hard to accept that you would have even brought up those partial statements when you should have known full well what the context was.
EM
Momof3&3step&1gran,
Excellent post and know what? Your right, 100%.
Devan,
(shrug) Keep trying to point fingers. I am pretty level-headed. I say it how I see it and if you notice there seems to be alot of others that see it my way also. Although, I might be a tad blunt in what I would write, I have no problem saying it to someone's face.
Parkerbrothers is in no way trying to grow up or act in an unchildish manner, what with all the "i WILL NOT" bullcrap he keeps posting. He is a grown man acting like a 7 year old boy. he is the one that needs to get off these blogs. He is the one calling everyone names and accusing others of being the anti-christ on numerous occasions and even turning peoples names into big jokes.
I am very disappointed that Evil Monkey has left these blogs, he brought alot of thought and humor to these blogs and had some very great input, hopefully Monkey you will decide to come back. I have your phone number and would love to know where you are blogging at. you have always opened my mind and inspired me to learn. Thank you Evil Monkey and you will be sadly missed.
As should Michael. And you...
-- Posted by jesuslovesevery1 on Mon, Mar 31, 2008, at 12:30 PM
Agree 100%
As should Michael. And you...
Momof3&3step&1gran
I always admire your level headed and perceptive take on issues. However, I do give credit to parkerbrothers for his attempt to change the tone of his posts. Whether he made a mistake in where the post was supposed to go or not, it seemed to fit in with the current topic and I did not find it offensive. I did find it offensive when he labeled Evil Monkey as an anti-christ. However, if you look back through all the posts in this speific topic I think this was the one that most crossed the line, "parkerbrothers, tdc, Michael Bell, Unusual-Lies, I think you are worse than radical shiites on a bad crack binge and should really chill the hell out". At least parkerbrothers is trying to change and I consider his "chant" similar to what we should all do sometimes - count to ten before acting on an impulse or in this case say "I will not succumb to the inducements" three times before responding or responding at all. I regret the Evil Monkey has chosen to leave this blogging community and hope he reconsiders but he (and several others) should think "I will not succumb to the inducements" before posting some of their comments.
"AMAZING" How this blog started out decently, michaelbell being able to respond to comments on his blogs, and with everyone wanting to have comments without all the arguing and name calling. And now it,s back to the negative again. ???? Ex.:
>Whether we are neighbors chatting over the fence or gadflies proclaiming truth one step ahead of mobs with torches,we need to have some self-respect and consideration for others. I apologize for my part in commandering your blogs and making them less than what you intended them to be. -- Posted by quantumcat on Sat, Mar 29, 2008, at 8:58 AM
>we should always want to help build each other up and make ourselves better people To make negative comments about people you disagree with will only tear down the lines of communication we need to come together and enlighten ourselves and see each other eye to eye. Posted by jaxspike on Sat, Mar 29, 2008, at 11:05 AM
>To anyone I have offended, I sincerely apologize. Offending people was not why I joined these discussions. I wanted to share my ideas in an open forum and learn from those who agreed and disagreed with me. Maybe it's not too late and we can turn this around. I will try my hardest.-- Posted by phoenix_rising on Sat, Mar 29, 2008, at 12:53 PM
>If we all agree to this maybe the discussions can be civilized and we could accomplish something great . who knows?-- Posted by michaelbell on Sat, Mar 29, 2008, at 1:47 PM
>Michael, Thank you for your response! You and I actually agree on a lot of your points you stated above and it's nice to read your thoughts without reading judgement in your words. There is probably nothing more controversal than politics and religion so anytime you start that conversation it can get very heated if it's allowed. -- Posted by DannysGal on Sat, Mar 29, 2008, at 6:30 PM
>I think its just wonderful the changes that have come about in less than 24hrs. I have prayed for guidance from the holy spirit to keep me from running my big trap, it seems to be working. I hope we can all carry on in a more civilized manner, we pretty much know where everyone is coming from now. I apologize if I have upset or alienated anyone, for any reason except my beliefs. -- Posted by greasemonkey on Sat, Mar 29, 2008, at 9:24 pm
"parkerbrothers" How did you copy what Disturbia said on (ANY DOUBT) write your post under it, and then paste on the respond of another blog, unless you purposely wanted to post it here.
Disturbia's post you pasted was not even on this blog, you had to get it off of (ANY DOUBT) blog, copied it and paste it in the respond section, write your post up under it hit (Preview your comment), copied that, leave out of that blog and come to this blog (In Response) and paste it in the Respond to this entry, then hit (Save Comment).
The reason I say that is because the (Preview your comment) date gives you away. -- Posted by parkerbrothers on Wed, Dec 31, 1969, at 6:00 PM
You then take the post you posted on this blog (In Response), which was posted: on Sun, Mar 30, 2008, at 11:07 AM. copied it and went back to the other blog (ANY DOUBT) paste it in the Respond to this entry remove the (Preview your comment date) -- Posted by parkerbrothers on Wed, Dec 31, 1969, at 6:00 PM and hit (Save Comment). which shows you posted it at -- Posted by parkerbrothers on Sun, Mar 30, 2008, at 11:33 AM.
Then when someone responds to your post on this blog, you begin saying "chants" to annoy the person responding. Are you trying to create "Chaos and Turmoil" among the bloggers?
There was peace among the bloggers here until you brought argument from another blog and "SUSPISCIOUSLY" posted it here, then coninued with your chants to annoy any responder to your blog. That is not Christ Like.
You've already succumb to the inducment of many phsychological drugs...
-- Posted by nascarfanatic on Mon, Mar 31, 2008, at 1:29 AM
"I will not succumb to the inducements"
"I will not succumb to the inducements"
"I will not succumb to the inducements"
It works on Nascarfantics' slurs also. I think I am liking this.
You've already succumb to the inducment of many phsychological drugs...
"I will not succumb to the inducements"
"I will not succumb to the inducements"
"I will not succumb to the inducements"
Ah, it worked.
"I left no doubt to what I thought an antichrist is. I left ample opportunity for anyone that I felt met the qualifications of the antichrist I described to refute and deny they were that antichrist but none seized the opportunity as I hoped and prayed would. "
The reason no-one wants to refute or deny your accusations is because people feel you are so full of yourself that it is more than pointless to have to prove anything to you or anyone else. Since you could not even answer my one simple question, you figured it would be better to start point fingers accusing people of wrongdoings so you wouldn't have to answer the question. It is a 3rd grade tactic that you have grown fond of.
Since You, Michael, and a few others that I have asked a few question of can only say:
HE DIED AND HE ROSE... That really doesn't answer my questions, it's kind of like asking Bush about Iraq, Katrina, and the Economy and he just stares at you and says 9/11. Thats how ridiculous you and Michael sound when people have real questions. I have found a real blog site that I can actually get real answers to my questions and decided it is best for me to stay there.
I will like to say, Thanks to quantumcat for the insightful posts, to darrick_04, sharon, laura, dianetn, and the many others that are incredible thinkers and even though I disagree with a few of you on a few things, I have enjoyed talking to you face to face at the meetings. I have left my number on here numerous times so if anyone wants to contact me, please do so.
parkerbrothers, tdc, Michael Bell, Unusual-Lies, I think you are worse than radical shiites on a bad crack binge and should really chill the hell out.
Nuff said,
Evil Monkey with the nice warm butt full of parkerbrothers lip-prints:)
WOW after reading what everyone had to say. I forgot what the blog was all about to start with.I always thought SATAN was the DEVIL. How did GOD get to be SATAN???? In the book I was taught from and have read GOD is not SATAN.
Sorry, got posted to wrong place. Should have went to ANY DOUBT.
Don't get your hopes up about ParkerBrothers, he has pulled this before, apologizing and regretting things he said, only to turn around a couple of hours later and start name calling and telling a certain blogger that he was indeed the actual anti-christ. Sorry to say this, but this man is in no way sincere and does not want to talk in a nice manner. Don't fall into his trap. Like I said, he has pulled this stunt before.
-- Posted by Disturbia on Sat, Mar 29, 2008, at 1:53 PM
Disturbia,
To help you understand things better I want to tell you I am not or have never meant it to be an apology for WHAT was said. I do not want anyone to think I believe any differently on WHAT was said. I only regret my failure to allow myself to be induced into a room where the temperature was above my comfort level and for me adding wood to the stove.
Now as far as that goes, I probably can and will fail again when the inducement presents itself. I am going to continue to try however, not to succumb to the inducements.
My comments to phoenix_rising were merely meant to tell him I support his effort when he made the comment...."Greasemonkey, I appreciate this conversation we are having and are able to have once we both have laid down our weapons. :)".
My post back to him was not meant to be construed as an apology and/or regret for my beliefs. It only was a statement that I support what he and greasemonkey had done and think it would be best if we all (including me) followed the example these two mature adults had set.
In further clarification of your post I want to say that I feel there is nothing wrong with saying that one or many of the antichrists mentioned in the Bible are among us. John said they were already there approximately 2000 years ago.
I left no doubt to what I thought an antichrist is. I left ample opportunity for anyone that I felt met the qualifications of the antichrist I described to refute and deny they were that antichrist but none seized the opportunity as I hoped and prayed would.
-- Posted by parkerbrothers on Wed, Dec 31, 1969, at 6:00 PM
Don't forget that some of the unexpected things our children may do will be good things.
They'll make some wiser and braver decisions than we ever imagined.
They'll live our values better than we could and create their own responses to new challenges.
They'll grow up faster than we might find comfortable.
Some of what we'd expect our children to never do might be to act as functional adults without supervision.
Our kids just might do tasks we never asked them to do,add more than their share of funds to the family budget,learn and grow beyond what we'd expect-or even welcome.
They might take on frightening hardship because it was the right thing to do.
The young ones we see now might seem incapable of such acts under our roof or elsewhere but they are becoming the architects of lives built on the foundations we have given them.
They'll make mistakes just as their predecessors have but they'll have what it takes to make us proud as well.
I do have one legal age adult child and I guess that is where I was coming from in my comment earlier. It's a difficult day when you realize you have no say whatsoever in your childs life anymore! You can always give them advice but those days of having a little one who you can give consequences to for not following your rules will be gone before you know it.
I know with mine when she has made decisions I wasn't in total agreement with I've just said "well you know how I feel about that but more importantly you know how I feel about you" and of course as she is of legal age and not living in my home any decisions she makes at this point are all on her. But she knows I love her and there is nothing she can ever do that will change that.
I totally agree that when under your roof then your rules will be followed! I am sorry if I implied otherwise :) If your kids are anything like mine then they already know what's appropriate and allowed without even having to ask!
michael,
I totally agree. While my children are living under my roof I will not buy clothes that are not appropriate and make-up that makes them look dead. They are not working and I'm the one with the money. They are not like that anyway. I hope what I have taught them they will carry with them. I have good girls and have built good communication with them. We also pray together as a family and when they pray it is so heartfelt. I love them so much!
while under my roof they will not do that!
-- Posted by michaelbell on Sat, Mar 29, 2008, at 9:54 PM
I well understand your feelings here and of course we want to instill our beliefs in our children but sometimes kids will make their own decisions and at some point and time you'll have to accept their choices and show them the unconditional love that I'm sure you have for them.
I'm certainly not saying they will turn against what you're teaching them, I am simply saying that as a loving parent you need to begin to prepare yourself somewhat to the fact that they are their own persons and will be old enough very soon to make their own decisions and you'll need to accept them for who they are.
my apologies to all and all apologies accepted.
while under my roof they will not do that!
I think its just wonderful the changes that have come about in less than 24hrs. I have prayed for guidance from the holy spirit to keep me from running my big trap, it seems to be working. I hope we can all carry on in a more civilized manner, we pretty much know where everyone is coming from now. I apologize if I have upset or alienated anyone, for any reason except my beliefs. What I mean is I dont apologize for what I believe just how I present my beliefs sometimes. Michael I apologize to you if I have hijacked your blog at anytime, or watered down your message, those where not my intentions. Keep on preaching the Gospel brother. Im here to help you in any way I can.
First rule of being a parent should be NEVER say MY KIDS WOULD NEVER DO THAT!
Michael,
Thank you for your response! You and I actually agree on a lot of your points you stated above and it's nice to read your thoughts without reading judgement in your words. There is probably nothing more controversal than politics and religion so anytime you start that conversation it can get very heated if it's allowed.
I have a very good friend of mine who happens to be not only a non-christian but also lives a gay lifestyle. We of course differ on a lot, well most, topics but we have the best conversations and light hearted debates over which of us is right. We usually both walk away a little more enlightened and while I've learned to be a lot less judgemental, she's learned that not all Christians are the hypocrites she thought we all were. I hope to enjoy more of that sort of conversation here in your blog.
In this previous post, I mean to offend NO ONE. I am merely offering more information about a previous post. I find angelology (which derives a great deal from this) fascinating. Also, there are seven circles of Hell. I tried to find a good source and explanation of that, but Dante's Divine Comedy continued coming up (a fabulous book!), and I wanted something more concrete than that. I will continue looking.
If anyone has thoughts on this, I would love to talk about it to learn more.
Unique-lies, I just wanted a clarification. You post interesting ideas, so please do continue. Though we may not agree, I will defend to the death your right to say it (Voltaire).
I actually wanted to expand on the heavens you described:
According to Jewish mysticism, Heaven is divided into seven realms. In order from lowest to highest, the seven Heavens are listed alongside the angels who govern them and any further information:
1. Shamayim: The first Heaven, governed by Archangel Gabriel, is the closest of heavenly realms to the Earth; it is also considered the abode of Adam and Eve.
2. Raquia: The second Heaven is dually controlled by Zachariel and Raphael. It was in this Heaven that Moses, during his visit to Paradise, encountered the angel Nuriel who stood "300 parasangs high, with a retinue of 50 myriads of angels all fashioned out of water and fire." Also, Raquia is considered the realm where the fallen angels are imprisoned and the planets fastened.[1]
3. Shehaqim: The third Heaven, under the leadership of Anahel, serves as the home of the Garden of Eden and the Tree of Life; it is also the realm where manna, the holy food of angels, is produced.[2] The Second Book of Enoch, meanwhile, states that both Paradise and Hell are accommodated in Shehaqim with Hell being located simply " on the northern side."
4. Machonon: The fourth Heaven is ruled by the Archangel Michael , and according to Talmud Hagiga 12, it contains the heavenly Jerusalem, the Temple, and the Altar.
5. Machon: The fifth Heaven is under the administration of Samael, an angel referred to as evil by some, but who is to others merely a dark servant of God.
6. Zebul: The sixth Heaven falls under the jurisdiction of Zachiel.
7. Araboth: The seventh Heaven, under the leadership of Cassiel, is the holiest of the seven Heavens provided the fact that it houses the Throne of Glory attended by the Seven Archangels and serves as the realm in which God dwells; underneath the throne itself lies the abode of all unborn human souls. It is also considered the home of the Seraphim, the Cherubim, and the Hayyoth.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seventh_Hea...
phoenix_rising
I am sorry phoenix_rising and apoligize to you and everyone else whose God isn't Satan. I will back out and let every one talk about whatever until I learn how to open my mouth without inserting my foot.
Thank you michaelbell
Let me finish reading the Bible First. Thank you though.
God is domained in the highest heaven above all heavens
- First Heaven
Jeremiah 4:25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.
- Second Heaven
Gen 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
- Third Heaven
2 Corinthians 12:1 I must go on boasting. Although there is nothing to be gained, I will go on to visions and revelations from the Lord.
2 I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven. Whether it was in the body or out of the body I do not know--God knows.
3 And I know that this man--whether in the body or apart from the body I do not know, but God knows--
4 was caught up to paradise. He heard inexpressible things, things that man is not permitted to tell.
2 Corinthians 12:2 I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago--whether in the body I do not know, or out of the body I do not know, God knows--such a man was caught up to the (D)third heaven.
(D) References Acts 22:17 and that verse references Acts 10:10 which refers the "third heaven" to a "Trance".
Acts 22:17 And it came to pass, that, when I was come again to Jerusalem, even while I prayed in the temple, I was in a trance;
Acts 10:10 And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance,
So "Paradise" is actually a "Trance" or "Suspended Animation" and not a place in space!
When a Born again Christian dies, their soul goes into a trance until they are resurrected.
- Highest Heaven
Matthew 21:9 Jesus was in the center of the procession, and the people all around him were shouting, "Praise God for the Son of David! Blessings on the one who comes in the name of the Lord! Praise God in highest heaven!"
Mark 11:10 Blessings on the coming Kingdom of our ancestor David! Praise God in highest heaven!"
Luke 2:14 "Glory to God in highest heaven, and peace on earth to those with whom God is pleased."
Luke 19:38 "Blessings on the King who comes in the name of the Lord! Peace in heaven, and glory in highest heaven!"
Deuteronomy 10:14 "Behold, to the LORD your God belong heaven and the highest heavens, the earth and all that is in it.
Psalm 115:16 The highest heavens belong to the LORD, but the earth he has given to man.
Ephesians 4:9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?
10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)
Deuteronomy 10:14 To the LORD your God belong the heavens, even the highest heavens, the earth and everything in it.
Psalm 148:4 Praise him, you highest heavens and you waters above the skies.
Now we see that there is the HIGHEST HEAVENS, the real Heaven where God Lives, not the Third heaven like many thought.
How did this conversation go from being cordial and trying to find a better way of communicating on this blog to implying - perhaps, stating - that there are people on here who are non-believers and claim Satan as their God?
That is why when you pray you have to get your prayers past the second heaven into God's heaven.
I have some books on the tabernacle which opened my eyes to a lot if you would like a set please let me know.
Did you know that Satan was the God of this world?
2 Corinthians 4:4 (New Living Translation)
4 Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don't believe. They are unable to see the glorious light of the Good News. They don't understand this message about the glory of Christ, who is the exact likeness of God.
The "NON-BELIEVERS" want to stop everyone from using the word "GOD" on this world, yet their Satan "IS" the "GOD" of this world and... they denounce him... Go Figure!
I think we should just slug it out...in a Christian way of course.
As a new comer to the Blog world this is a pleasent surprise to me after reading your blogs all week long. I hesitate to write anything when everyone is arguing about God knows what!
When I blog I think I scare people so I will try not to offer as much infor.
If we all agree to this maybe the discussions can be civilized and we could accomplish something great . who knows?
I agree that some parts of these blogs have gone out of control, and I will not deny that I have been a part of these extra-extra-heated discussions. Perhaps we can all try to look at each others' comments much harder rather than judging them for opening their mouths.
To anyone I have offended, I sincerely apologize. Offending people was not why I joined these discussions. I wanted to share my ideas in an open forum and learn from those who agreed and disagreed with me. Maybe it's not too late and we can turn this around. I will try my hardest.
To make negative comments about people you disagree with will only tear down the lines of communication we need to come together and enlighten ourselves and see each other eye to eye. As the old saying goes, walk in the other mans shoes for a while before passing judgment because one day you might be reserved the same courtesy.
-- Posted by jaxspike on Sat, Mar 29, 2008, at 11:05 AM
This is the very reason that I have stopped commenting on here. There is no way to have intelligent conversation with people who only wish to trample on others points of view. I have never seen a more uncivilized blog than this one on my hometown newspaper. If you cannot make your point without degrading the other person then you should be banned from the site.
I agree, we all should stand up for what we believe in and should never allow another person to dictate what our beliefs should be. We also should always be open to discussion and dialogue and know that we are not always right and to make sure and view all the angles and issues and make informed decision based on solid facts and beliefs.
While I disagree with you on several issues Michael, I try to respect you as a person just as much as I want to be respected. We are all imperfect and none of us has the right to look down on another fellow person . . . we should always want to help build each other up and make ourselves better people To make negative comments about people you disagree with will only tear down the lines of communication we need to come together and enlighten ourselves and see each other eye to eye. As the old saying goes, walk in the other mans shoes for a while before passing judgment because one day you might be reserved the same courtesy.
michaelbell,
You do a good job. Your thought that a blog was for a persons thought or belief or things that they do is correct. I admire you, even though I have never met you in person, for standing up for your beliefs when they may not be the most popular thing to do. You leave little doubt in what you believe in and what you establish your faith with.
Just as I admire you, I also respect the others who believe in nothing from nowhere. We are all entitled to an opinion.
If I ever do or say anything that is not in keeping with your blog feel free to admonish me publicly for my wrong.
Thank you and God Bless You !
Michael,
You and I may not be on the same page on everything every day but I agree 100% on your "gamble" and your decision to live your life according to your best judgement rather than trying to conform to the whims of a contradictory,ever-changing society.
That sort of dedication to one's principles never offends me.
I do get bothered when people (including myself) go against the morality they know to be true,fail to let their perceptions grow and change as the Spirit leads or refuse to let other people make their journey according to the awareness they have-even if they aren't following in the dominant culture's footsteps.
I suppose I prefer our calling forth the truth as we know it then "letting go and letting God" on what happens next.
I like the idea of our preaching more with our deeds than our words.
These blogs are for information,building community and letting a blog host reveal his perspective.
Blogs have grown from online diaries to something like a journalist's columns and beyond.
A "Bloggers' Code of Conduct" has emerged that suggests certain behaviors:
1. Take responsibility not just for your own words, but for the comments you allow on your blog.
2. Label your tolerance level for abusive comments.
3. Consider eliminating anonymous comments.
4. Ignore the trolls.
5. Take the conversation offline, and talk directly, or find an intermediary who can do so.
6. If you know someone who is behaving badly, tell them so.
7. Don't say anything online that you wouldn't say in person.
Suggestions such as this (along with the old formula concerning speech "Is it true? Is it kind? Is it necessary?") might prevent a good blog from degenerating into a disordered hatefest.
We don't need to become so unruly that we show disrespect for our bloghosts and the paper and invite demands that our blogs be removed or blanded down into oblivion.
Whether we are neighbors chatting over the fence or gadflies proclaiming truth one step ahead of mobs with torches,we need to have some self-respect and consideration for others.
I apologize for my part in commandering your blogs and making them less than what you intended them to be.
I think the comments you get could be productive but this is your blog-not our forum.
I hope these blogs can fulfill their purpose and provide light to help us grow instead of heat to make our ideas wither.