Dunkirk99,

Do you live here in Shelbyville?

Michael,

You carry your bible with you everywhere you go. Open it and read where it says that the world will love Christ and all religions will worship God. Read where it says that there will be no anti-christs in the last days to go out and deceive the people. Read where it says not to gather in His name and pray for the sinners. And above all read where it tells you to entangle yourself back into the worldly things. And don't forget to read about living and worrying about tomorrow, because it may never come.

My bible doesn't say those things. It tells me that these things WILL HAPPEN and not to worry about the problems of the world. We are not of the world. All you can do is teach your children the word of God and hope for the best. If they accept Christ then they will grow in Christ if you continue to teach them.

It is BEST if the schools don't teach them any religion, but we know they will be exposed to other religions just like they are to drugs and sex. If we bring them up right theyshould do fine.

Schools are run by the Federal Government because they get financial help from the Government. Just like churches who get involved in politics or get financial help from the U.S. Government or state gov. can lose their non-profit status.

You can not change what has been prophesied for years! You are wanting Christ to return but you want to stop everything from happening so He won't return.

You have to let go and watch it happen and hope you have been taught the truth.

Talking about it isn't gonna change anything. You don't want to change anything that would prevent Christ from returning and destroying the enemy.

Teach what is to come and how to live thru it.

I am still giggling about the comparison of the Bible and the sexual toy.

That is just so wrong . . .

This is going to be way off subject but I wanted to put it here because I know everyone will probably see it...

http://www.nrlc.org/abortion/pba/PBA_Ima...

I just had this sent to me from someone today.

"Need I Say More"? - question asked by Michael Bell.

My response- no, but that hasn't stopped you thus far.

I t is good to see the old gang back .

I guess the devils don't stay away for long do they?

I say something that offends them and they get all riled up and make stupid comparisions.

But me as as a CHRISTIAN is supposed to let people and groups run over us I won't just lay down and be walked on.

As far as the comparision of your pleasure device you are a sick individuals.

I'll gladly tell them where to shove it.

-- Posted by Dunkirk99 on Wed, Apr 23, 2008, at 3:21 PM

You would probably prefer it in you if you are like most of the sick ones.

You would probably prefer it in you if you are like most of the sick ones.-- Posted by parkerbrothers on Wed, Apr 23, 2008, at 5:48 PM

What I do in my personal life is none of your concern. Likewise, what John Freshwater believes and does in his personal life has no place in the public classroom. He should just put the bible away and do his job.

I say something that offends them and they get all riled up and make stupid comparisions. But me as as a CHRISTIAN is supposed to let people and groups run over us I won't just lay down and be walked on. As far as the comparision of your pleasure device you are a sick individuals. -- Posted by michaelbell on Wed, Apr 23, 2008, at 4:00 PM

Michael, no, your comments don't offend me nor am I riled up. I'm stating plain facts regarding past Supreme Court decisions and the letter of our Constitution. You instead ramble on about how you perceive your persecution. Imagine my position: I live in a country where the majority of the population are christian, my money tells me "in god we trust" (something it did not originally say), and my Pledge of Allegience has the phrase "under god" in it, something it also didn't have originally. From my point of view, my country is on the path to theocracy, something you nutjobs would absolutely love to see. And yes, you as a christian have absolutely no right to enter the public school system and push your religion. You already have ways of indoctrinating minors into your cults. Please stick to those.

As for the comparison, I found it to be very appropriate. Would you expect a teacher's personal property, regardless of what it is and no matter how offensive to others, to be immune from school policy? Personally, I find the violence in the bible to be quite offensive. Would you support a teacher leaving the Quran on their desk? The point is that students who don't believe in your fairy tales might be intimidated when asking questions or interacting with the teacher because of his beliefs. It's a much better educational system when those in power remain neutral with respect to religion.

Oh, if only rapture were real - it would relieve this world of a whole bunch of anti-intellectuals who have nothing better to do than wait for the end times. Take your eschatology and shove it.

I agree sand flea.

Dunkirk99nsince you don't believe in Heaven you must not believe in Hell either.

That does not change the fact that they exist.

Take one guess where your not going.

That is my point, if a teacher did leave the Quran on the desk nothing would be said.

It mighy offend the Muslims , the heck with the Muslims.

How about the Judeo - Christians who live work and die here , do we not matter anymore?

>>Dunkirk99nsince you don't believe in Heaven you must not believe in Hell either. That does not change the fact that they exist.

Prove it.

>>Take one guess where your not going.

Prove it.

>>That is my point, if a teacher did leave the Quran on the desk nothing would be said. It mighy offend the Muslims , the heck with the Muslims.

No, I'd be as upset about a Quran in a classroom as a bible. To me they're all fairy tales that have absolutely no place in a public school science classroom. Creationism is not science, nor is intelligent design. Pure, unverifiable, untestable fiction.

>>How about the Judeo - Christians who live work and die here , do we not matter anymore?-- Posted by michaelbell on Wed, Apr 23, 2008, at 9:16 PM

Oh, you matter. Just not more than any of the rest of us, which is why NEUTRALITY is important in the public schools. In your initial entry, you talk as if you matter more than others, almost as if you want to incite a riot against anyone that thinks differently than you. You cry foul when your religion is ousted from the public schools. You cry foul when other religions are also in the schools. I cry foul when any ideology that isn't related to the curriculum is pushed upon students as truth when there's no evidence. "Do we not matter anymore?" presents a false scenario and is misleading; whether you matter or not has no bearing on what a public school teacher is allowed to teach in the schools.

This completly blows my mind. I cant believe some of the things im hearing. Michael is right about christians being persecuted. If Michael were Muslim then all of you would be saying, "oh, he is so brave". We christians are not trying to force our theology on anyone, we are just saying that other religions should not be held as non-offensive but ours is to be the most offensive. To compare our Bible to a sex toy is one of the most offensive, vulgar, and childish things I have ever heard. I understand that its the "in" thing to do, like feeding the christians to the lions again, but come on. If I made a statement like that about the Koran I would probably be arrested. A guy urinated on the Koran and got arrested for a hate crime, (before you say my claims are unbased).

Michael,

I cant believe some christians are telling you that you are to vocal. You should ask them where in the Bible it says to spread just a little of the Gospel. They should be ashamed. You are right it is time to unite.

Show me ANYWHERE in Tennessee or in the United States where Christianity has been less prominently displayed than any other religion...

I went to Community High School, and I can guarantee you there were Christian groups ever so present, before during and after school... Many teachers openly expressed their faith. You people are fearing things that are not happening.

Seriously though, if you wish to envoke the right of state sponsored religion, take a trip back pre Revolutionary times, or hell even visit N. Korea, Iran, etc etc etc. That's precisely why ALL religions should be excluded from public sanctions. Or you could always go back to burning people at the stake.

Michael, one last thing. If you really think your right to worship is being taken away, consider this. Ten years ago, you probably didn't have the internet, nor any other instant forms of expressing your thoughts, now you do. In THIS country. You, by far have not lost a single right. Mind you, none of the religious things you see in the pledge, on the coins, etc were introduced until the 1950s, now tell me, when was this country founded. Hmm, nearly 200 years prior to that.

Michael, one last thing.

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Wed, Apr 23, 2008, at 10:02 PM

If only tis were true...

parkerbrothers

That's the only God I know! That's the same God on our money isn't it that says in God we trust? We took this country from the King of England and the Bible translation from the king of England and even the Common Law from England.

I have never know any other God and that's how my God likes it. Me too!

Dunkirk99,

As smart and enlightened as you are, can you disprove intelligent design or creationism? I find it much harder to believe that "BANG!" everything just kinda came into existence. Thats what sounds like fiction to me, pure unverifiable, untestable fiction. Can you also prove that there are no Heaven or Hell.

>>Dunkirk99,

>>As smart and enlightened as you are, can you disprove intelligent design or creationism? I find it much harder to believe that "BANG!" everything just kinda came into existence. Thats what sounds like fiction to me, pure unverifiable, untestable fiction. Can you also prove that there are no Heaven or Hell.-- Posted by greasemonkey on Thu, Apr 24, 2008, at 12:28 AM

Perhaps you don't understand what science is. The demarcation surrounding science is fairly clear and includes stipulations that theories must be 1) consistent, 2) parsimonious, 3) useful, 4) empirically testable and falsifiable, 5) based on multiple observations, often in the form of controlled, repeated experiments, 6) correctable and dynamic, 7) progressive, and 8) Provisional or tentative. Intelligent design and creationism lack consistency, violate the principle of parsimony, are not scientifically useful, are not falsifiable, are not empirically testable, and are not correctable, dynamic, tentative or progressive. This is why it has no place in a science classroom. But no, to answer your question, I'm not able to disprove either because both require faith, something that science does not ask of me. Both cannot be tested or falsified. This is why I call myself an agnostic rather than an atheist; it's an extremely weak position to claim that you 100% know for certain that there is or isn't a god. My position is that neither is testable so I have absolutely no way of knowing for certain and neither do you. Even famed "atheist" and biologist Richard Dawkins acknowledges this point.

But here's the important thing: both evolution and the big bang theories (and I mean theory in the scientific sense, not just "some idea") have held up to generations of scientists trying to disprove them. And I hope this doesn't come across as elitism, because I don't mean it to, but understanding the big bang takes a lot of knowledge of quantum physics. Physicists and atronomers have a good deal of evidence for the big bang. It's something that's testable and, with increased technology, almost reproducible.

Unique-Lies

That was an interesting post you made on the Tennessee Constitution. I got up this morning and was reading through some of the Tennessee Constitution. It is apparrent to me that it was assummed then that Tennessee was a Christian State. There was no other religion in mind when the constitution was written. I do not think there was even any consideration given to the fact of there ever existing anything but a Christian religion at the time the Constitution was written. Perhaps our forefathers were addressing freedoms within Christianity itself when they mention the freedom of religion. Perhaps they were only trying to afford people the right to choose what denomination or church or time of worship within Christianity itself instead of addressing what God they choose. It appears that there was a general acceptance as Christianity as the only religion of this Country and they were not trying to afford anyone the right to worship Mohhamad or Budda or anything other false God. Instead they were only trying to protect the rights of people to worship the only true and living God that existed in their minds and hearts as they choose. I do not think their intentions was to protect anyone other than a Christian.

I honestly believe if we could bring these writers back to life today and let them comment on what they were actually trying to convey they would without question say they never meant for it to be anything but a Christian State in Tennessee. I believe if they could make a choice today they would drive everyone but a Christian out of the State of Tennessee. It is quite apparrant from the disqualification section of the Constitution that they valued the GOSPEL. It is easy to see that they would not allow anything but a Christian to hold office and that the value of a minister of the gospel was so important that they could not hold office. Truly amazing that we have allowed anything but Christianity in Tennessee with a Constitution like this we have.

parkerbrothers

Yes I would say so.

If I remember correctly I was taught that there were wars over Catholic and non Catholic Religions in the old days. Seems that they were trying to force Catholic Religion on everyone. They were up in arms about it. When they were finally able to migrate over here to America, they wanted to make sure that anyone could worship any religion they wanted to. I think they were only thinking about not being forced to worship in the Catholic Religion.

Anyway the first thing that they agreed on when they came up with the Bill of Rights was their religion. They put it above all else and made it the 1st Article of the Bill of Rights.

This was like 400 years after America was discovered, so they more than likely had the same Jehovah God, but several denominations here even at that time and wanted to preverse their right to worship in any of them.

Bill of Rights

Article I Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

1) Too bad it took nearly 200 years after the establishment of the Constitution and our Independance to include the words "In God We Trust" on the money.

Posted by darrick_04 on Thu, Apr 24, 2008, at 7:17 AM

Maybe that is because it took nearly 200 years before we forgot that it is "In God We Trust".

Unique, that's one big post! I'll reply line by line. Hope it's easier to read that way.

>>You must be in the science field of some kind with your knowledge, so maybe you can answer these simple questions for me.

Yes, I'm a student of botany and currently am employed as a microbiology research assistant.

>> (Copy and paste about the big bang snipped for size) This is saying that they suggested the big bang because distant galaxies are traveling away from earth at great speeds and the radiation found in 1964. So why are rocks, meteors, stars and asteroids traveling in a direction that earth has to worry about being hit by one?

Because earth and the solar system are tiny, tiny little blips inside the Milky Way galaxy. Those other galaxies are moving away from our relative position from within the galexy, which we're rotating around the center of. Each galexy is composed of numerous star systems, which are themselves composed of planets, planetoids, asteroids, etc. Leftovers from star formation. The reason we have to worry about stray asteroids hitting us is that the relative gravity of our sun and planet can draw stray objects, those leftovers, in toward us. Remember, we're not the center of the galexy or the universe! Collectively, our galexy is moving away from where the big bang happened. And relative to our movement, other galexies are moving much faster, which is how we can tell that the universe is expanding.

>>The thing that gets me the most is how these scientists can tell us all about life on this planet 500 million years ago and can even put a name on a skeleton of some pile of bones that belonged to some Dinasour that existed millions of years ago, but can not tell us how the pyramids were built, who made the wild looking designs on the mountain top in Nazca, Peru. The Nazca lines, what were they, UFO landing sites or a pathway to the heavens and the gods? What about the statues and columns on Easter Island that look like people from outerspace?

Well, that's more archeology and way outside my field, but I do believe most of those have relatively good explanations that are supported by evidence. I won't go into detail, that's for you to do if you're interested in each of those phenomena. Simple fact is that we have technology that's able to "see" into the past - the farther away a galexy is, the farther back in time you're looking. Recently, galexies that existed as early as a couple hundred million years after the big bang were detected and observed. Fossils can be dated with precision accuracy because of radioactivity decay and prominent events in the soil strata, such as the K-T boundary. The simple fact is that the ones you listed enjoy a popular mythology as "unsolved" in popular culture, but the science and anthropology behind them is sound. Mysteries remain, but civilizations don't often leave us blueprints. And as far as I know, we have no technology that can illuminate why or how past civilizations did things - all we can do is educated guesswork with evidence to support our hypotheses.

>>Scientists can't tell us anything that would be of any use to us, only things like the number and names of Galaxies, Planets, Constellations, Stars and Asteroids in the solar system that no one can prove right or wrong. Isn't that how the Bible was written? The world doesn't believe the Bible but we are suppose to believe anything and everything Scientists tell us?

Science is based on evidence and testable, falsifiable hypotheses. The bible is a quasi-accurate piece of history embellished and written over 300 years after the events occurred. It's hardly the same.

>>What if the Big Bang created the earth how did it get populated with all the people. Did the big bang create life from a nutron? I don't think so.

There are several theories on how life began. It's a completely different subject that I'm not all that familiar with. Google "RNA world" for one hypothesis I know off the top of my head. It's plausible that life originated on earth because of an asteroid. We certainly gained a lot of water that way.

>>But wait! If the Big Bang didn't create the people then the scientists must convence us that we evolved from apes. Okay! Did Darwin ever say where the apes came from in his theory of evelution? I don't think he did. I think he just knew they existed from the beginning of time, you know like maybe God created them 500 million years ago. Sorry, I don't remember reading about that story in the bible.

Um, no. The big bang certainly never "created people." Microbial life began on earth and we evolved from it. You don't seem to understand the process of evolution. A good book to review would be "Song of the Dodo" by David Quammen. Charming book. Not heavy at all. We certainly did evolve from apes, which evolved from ... and on and on back to microbes. Let's not confuse fiction with science here, again. You didn't read about evolution in the bible because it's a comforting fairy tale.

>>I know, maybe some scientist cloned the apes way back when. And the best part is... in a couple years it all changes. Look at Globle Warming! Scientist say it is happening, but the other half of the scientists are saying it isn't. Now who are we suppose to believe? I choose my God to believe over any scientist.

Certainly not half. A handful, mostly those paid by oil industries, are questioning the science of global warming. I welcome it. So far global warming seems to be standing up to the test of their questioning.

>>Please tell me why no scientist can prove when Christ was Crucified. There were signs in the stars and an eclipse that day and even an earthquake. Is it because it happen only approximately 2,000 years ago and not 20 billion years ago. God recreated this earth 6,134 years ago. How hard can that be to prove for educated scientists?

The bible is not all literal truth. Much of what's written is symbolism. Worse, translated or possibly mistranslated symbolism. Most scientists don't care when the possibly fictional human named Jesus was crucified. Lots of people were crucified. "God recreated this earth 6,134 years ago." What's that supposed to mean? You don't seriously believe that? I'm sorry, but there's a 9,950 year old tree in northern Europe that begs to differ with your estimate.

>>I hope I wasn't too mean. That wasn't my intention. -- Posted by Unique-Lies on Thu, Apr 24, 2008, at 10:33 AM

Not at all. I love a good debate. Cheers.

The biggest thing was creating two different governments with two classes of citizens in this country then taking the Gold and silver away from the people and exchanging it for Federal Reserve Notes that are not redeemable in gold nor silver. They are only backed up by the (good credit?) of the United States and the productivity of the American People.

Posted by Unique-Lies on Thu, Apr 24, 2008, at 10:54 AM

What did you mean by "creating two different governments"?

T he intent was from goverment mandated worship of Christ, I don't remember any other faiths talked about.

parkerbrothers

What did I mean by "creating two different governments"?

First you have to understand the US Constitution! We the people are the Sovereignity in this country, not the Federal Government. Our Central Government was created by the people to protect our rights. The Central Government was given certain Authority over us.

These Authorities are listed in Article I, Section 8, clauses 1-17.

Our Central Government has exclusive jurisdiction over Washington, DC and all places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards and other needful Buildings.

Basically the Congress has Jurisdiction over us:

1.) To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, but all Duties, Impost and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

2.) To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

3.) To punish anyone Counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

4.) To punish anyone tamering with the US Mail and Mail Fraud;

5.) To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States.

No where did it say our Central Government has jurisdiction over the people of the states other than in Article I, Section 8.

When Lincoln Freed the slaves, these ex-slaves became a new class of citizens with no citizenship to any country.

Congress decided that since they had purchased several islands, Territories and possessions, these citizens where citizens of their own Territories so they came up with the 13th and 14th Amendment so these citizens of the Territories and the newly freed slaves could become citizens of the United States. The only thing is... they became citizens of the United States central Government and under its exclusive jurisdiction.

Now Our Central Government has citizens of its own and has exclusive jurisdiction over all of them. Before the 14th Amendment our Central Government only had Jurisdiction over Washington DC and the Territories and military posts/bases/ports and needful buildings.

Now it has Jurisdiction over 14th amendment citizens in all the states and territories. It still doesn't have any legal jurisdiction over the people of the states except what was given to it in Section 8.

The last clause in Section 8 gives Congress the right To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

All Federal Legislation applies only in Federal Territory and to these new Federal citizens.

Congress can make any laws they want or need to regulating these new citizens without constitutional limitations or restrictions but when legislating for we the people of the states they must do so according to the U S Constitution, because any laws inconsistent with, or contrary to the US Constitution is null and void.

Now we have U.S. Citizens (we the People/protected by the US Constitution) and U.S. citizens (federal citizens/ under its exclusive jurisdiction and protected by civil rights)

Dunkirk99

Without showing you any disrespect I really don't understand all of what you are saying, and a lot of what I do understand is totally opposite of what I have watched on the History channel and A&E Channel and read on the internet.

For example: the meteorite that crashed into Mexico 65 million years ago was a huge meteor. It was like Nuclear Bombs going off and the sky filled with ashes that darkened the sky blocking the sun light, causing all plant life on earth to die and even the sea creaters died from the ashes covering the oceans and rivers and streams. The dust made it impossible for mammals and animals to breath so they died. The dust lasted a long, long time so the planet became iced over because the sun couldn't shine through.

The amount of energy released by an impact depends on the size of the impacting body and its velocity. An impact like the one that struck the Yucatan Peninsula, in Mexico about 65 million years ago, thought responsible for the extinction of the dinosaurs and numerous other species, created the Chicxulub Crater, 180 km in diameter and released energy equivalent to about 100 million megatons of TNT.

For comparison, the amount of energy needed to create a nuclear winter on the Earth as a result of nuclear war is about 8,000 megatons, and the energy equivalent of the world's nuclear arsenal is about 60,000 megatons.

You are saying this didn't happen?

From the internet:

Asteroids in the solar system

Hundreds of thousands of asteroids have been discovered within the solar system and the present rate of discovery is about 5000 per month.

As of January 6, 2007, from a total of 364,833 registered minor planets, 147,951 have orbits known well enough to be given permanent official numbers. Of these, 13,554 have official names.

--> Are you saying this is only 1%?

As for the alleged Homo neanderthalensis - 250,000-30,000 years ago

and the alleged Homo sapiens - 100,000 years to present day (all evolved from Apes)

--> and you said man didn't evolve from Apes?

You know your job and we do need scientists, so I will leave you to it. I will disagree with a lot of what you say and everything you say about the bible.

Scientists believe in theories or things that can be proven yet everything they prove is proven to be false later on so what is with all the theories? I have a theory that has stood the test of time... God created the earth and everything in and on the earth. There is nothing that could possible create all these things, except God.

I always thought that if the scientists and explorers would research the bible then look for answers they would uncover millions in gold and buried treasures. A person would have to be rich to do that, I suppose, so they would only be replacing their expenses.

I hope you stick around on the blogs. I may come up with some more questions one day. I have understood a lot of what you said.

Richard,

I am sorry, he didnt even urinate on them, he just put them in the toilet. You got me, I am a dirty liar. I cant see much difference though.

Dunkirk99,

I do understand what science is, mostly opinion. Well that is to say mostly theories. Alot of them there $40 words I dont understand, because I am just a dumb hillbilly. I do understand that creationism cant be "proven" nor can the big bang. They both take a little faith. Even the big bang theory takes faith (and its still a theory). One thing I can tell you that those scientists that dont care about the "human called Jesus" will care. I will pray for you, I am sorry that you have the beliefs that you do, but you dont have to believe in God for him to love you, nor do you have to believe what I say either.

I don't see how you know the years, when God's time does not equate to ours. You really think he made all this in 6 days? I highly doubt that. As a believer in God, I think it proves quite ignorant. After all, we didn't even know other planets existed until modern times, he never mentioned those.

Why? I'll have to ask him one day. I think he gets a kick out of all the humans trying to rationalize the unimaginable.

I don't think it matters when or how he created it, the fact is.. we're here, we don't live like Adam and Eve, Noah, Moses, Abraham, etc. We are modern-day humans who contribute to society and the world around us in totally different forms and fashions. If we spend so much time arguing about the past, it's no wonder our future will look bleek. Good day.

darrick_04

The bible tells us that God created everything that was created. God spoke and it was done. He didn't put His hands on every blade of grass or limb on a tree. He didn't shovel the earth into mountains. He spoke and mountains appeared.

I'm sorry darrick_04 , but I did the best that I could do. I know that they had a diferent calendar than ours and they have jubilee days, weeks, months and years. My chart is just as pliable as anyone elses because no one can be absolutely possitively correct.

I even read where God stopped time! The Earth didn't spin. That is impossible to us, but not for the God who created it all. The biggest problem is trying to find out the B.C. dates. Scientists have figured all that out and pin pointed when an event happened, but when called on it they deny their own proven methods of coming up with the dates. Two different scientists will give you two different dates.

Above all, What matters is your name is written in the book of life.

God created the "heavens and the stars" (I do believe that includes the planets).

There were astronomer's back before Christ was born, even in the Days of Moses. That's how they fortold the future back then. They even had maps of the star back then. People were not stupid back then. Cain, the first recorded man to be born, built a city and governed it. How many people have done that today?

Without Christ I can do nothing, but through Christ All things ARE Possible!

--> As a "believer in God", satan is a Liar and the father of the Lie. Hes is a murderer and he does tremble. Being a believer in God will get you no where. Unless you are born again you are only someone who believes there is a God. Don't you know that satan lived with God in heaven and knew God better than any of us, so he definitely believes there is a God and not only believes, but knows he exists and what he is capable of, but satan isn't going to heaven, he's going to the lake of fire and he knows his time is running out!

God speaks to us through the bible. He explains thing to us if we read his word and hear what He is telling us. If you know Jesus, you know His Father! If you know how Jesus thinks, you know how God thinks! I know you don't understand that nor believe it, but that's why I am me and you are you.

If it doesn't matter when and how God created everything, why did He put so much detail into explaining when, how, why and what He created. If it didn't matter why tell us how old a man was when he had his first son and not how old he was when his other sons were born and how old the man was when he died. He done it for a reason. He done it so we would know how long men lived back then and when their lives got shorter and to see time frame up to jacob. It doesn't tell us how old Jacob was when he had his 12 sons. The 12 sons or the 12 tribes of Israel. No dates on their births. How did I do it? You'll have to ask him one day.

--> Yes, I agree. We Don't live like Adam and Eve, Noah, Moses, Abraham, etc. We are modern-day humans who contribute to society and the world around us in a totally different form and fashion. One thing we are not as righteous as any of these people, nor as talented as they were. And as for Adam and Eve, well, we just aren't as smart as they were. God created Adam, then He created all the animals and told Adam to name them! Adam named all the animals like God asked. We can't even name all the animals on earth today that have already been named, let alone come up with new names. When Adam and Eve eat from the tree of Knowledge, they became instantly intelligent. They knew thing that they needed to know to survive on this earth. It takes us years to learn that and some of us never learn it.

God tells us not to concern ourselves with the future, not even tomorrow because we may not be here tomorrow. He teaches us to live for today and worship only Him and to love our neigbors as we love ourselves.

Good day back at you.

"It is the Bloodline from Adam to Christ:

http://unique-lies.com/Adam-Christ.html\...

How can that be the bloodline if Christ when Joseph didn't have sex with Mary?

welcome back evil monkey

Unique,

>>For example: the meteorite that crashed into Mexico 65 million years ago was a huge meteor. It was like Nuclear Bombs going off and the sky filled with ashes that darkened the sky blocking the sun light, causing all plant life on earth to die and even the sea creaters died from the ashes covering the oceans and rivers and streams. The dust made it impossible for mammals and animals to breath so they died. The dust lasted a long, long time so the planet became iced over because the sun couldn't shine through.

>>That's an extremely simplified account of events. Not all life perished or we wouldn't be here. "Within cartilaginous fish, approximately 80% of the sharks, rays, and skates families survived the extinction event. ... In North America, approximately 57% of plant species became extinct." See? Not all life. Every "extinction event" does not wipe out life entirely. I sincerely doubt A&E and the history channel told you this information. You may have gotten the wrong impression from their programs, though.

>>Are you saying this is only 1%?

1% of what? The universe is enormous. Or are you talking about just our solar system? There are an estimated 35,000 large objects in the Kupier Belt alone.

>>and you said man didn't evolve from Apes?

It depends on what you call an ape. No, we did not evolve from the apes that currently live on this planet. We do, however, share a common ancestry with them and we, as they did, evolved from an ape-like creature.

>>Scientists believe in theories or things that can be proven yet everything they prove is proven to be false later on so what is with all the theories? I have a theory that has stood the test of time... God created the earth and everything in and on the earth. There is nothing that could possible create all these things, except God.

I don't need to "believe" in theories. There is no belief in science. I understand the evidence for these theories. And by the way, a scientific theory does not mean "just some idea". It's much more than that. It's been tested and retested, explains current phenomena and predicts future trends. It's a very robust thing, a theory. Common usage of the term usually means "an idea" or "a suggestion". Please do not confuse the two. Also, please do not confuse ideology for a theory. The bible and everything in religion is not a theory. It is pure ideology that has nothing to do with science or "theories". And one more thing that I hope won't confuse you: Science never proves anything. The whole goal of science is to propose hypotheses and then work your hardest to DISPROVE them. You see, nothing can ever be "proven" and it would be unscientific to say so. However, the most rigorous and robust theories have stood the test of scientist after scientist trying to disprove it. Even right now there's a scientist who's attempting to gather data that suggests the idea of sexual selection in evolution might not be completely accurate. I'm not entirely convinced, but you see that scientists are always trying to disprove theories, not prove them.

>>I hope you stick around on the blogs. I may come up with some more questions one day. I have understood a lot of what you said.-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Thu, Apr 24, 2008, at 10:16 PM

I'm glad I've been able to answer your questions. Please feel free to ask away anytime.

--> Where do you go when you "Die"? Heaven, Hell or Paradise?

Where ARE these places and what does the Bible say about them?

First we are told that: we will be sent to a Fire and Brimestone Hell if we don't change our ways!

But first, when we die, we are buried in "Sheol", the grave, not Hell. (Job 14:13), our bodies go back to dust of the earth. (Ecclesiastes 3:20) The next thing that happens is the Holy Spirit returns to God because it Is God. (Ecclesiastes 12:7) This is not our Soul, but the Holy Ghost (if you received Christ and was baptised in the Holy Spirit).

--> But, if you didn't and you have to go to Hell, God puts you into a "Deep Sleep" (Romans 11:7-8 ) where you can't see nor hear nor do anything. When you are awaken you are judged (Daniel 12:2) and...!

Just where IS this Hell?

Hell is described as being "down" (2 Peter 2:4) so it is in the earth. It is in the "Lower parts" (Ephesians 4:8-10) of the earth. In fact it is in the "Heart" of the Earth. (Matthew 12:40)

Your Body and Soul (Matthew 10:28) belongs to God, so He lets your body go back to dust and your Soul goes into a Deep Sleep until it is awaken at the second death at which time you are judged and your soul dies in the Lake of Fire. ( Ezekiel 18:4)

--> If you were good and received Christ as your Lord and Savior and was baptised with the Holy Ghost you go in your grave where you are placed in a trance. This Trance is referred to as the "third heaven" (2 Corinthians 12:1-4).

In verse 2, there is a Reference to third heaven sending readers to (Acts 22:17) and that verse references (Acts 10:10) which refers the "third heaven" to a "Trance".

-->So "Paradise" is actually a "Trance" or "Suspended Animation" and not a place in space! When a Born again Christian dies, their soul goes into a trance until they are resurrected. This is like the "Deep Sleep" the sinner experiences only the christians are Resurrected (Rev 20:4-6) back here on this earth like Jesus was. While you are in this Trance, you know nothing and do nothing. Your mind just sleeps.

--> NOW as far as Heaven Goes..........!!

No one! I said... No one... goes to heaven when they Die. Not even the patriarch King David. (Acts 2:29-35) Jesus is the only one who has ever gone to heaven (John 3:13;). Nobody, nota, no exceptions. The Christian Bible mentions the 1st heaven (Jeremiah 4:25) , 2nd heaven (Gen 1:14-19), 3rd heaven (2 Corinthians 12:1-4) and the Highest Heaven (Matthew 21:9). The Highest Heaven is where God, Jesus, the angels and the 4 creatures are. No one goes to this heaven when they die. Anyone going to heaven will be going to the "New Heaven" which is the "New City of Jerusalem". This "New City of Jerusalem" hasn't been created yet.

--> This "New City of Jerusalem is the heaven everyone will be going to. This "new heaven" will be created after the Second Death when everyone is Judged. It is then and only then that you get to go to your heaven and God wipes away all the tears and does away with pain and suffering. This is just after the "last Trumpet" is sounded.

Can you see now that you won't be going to heaven anytime soon? You have to wait until satan is released to go out and deceive the nations again and after the last battle to be fought between good and evil on earth before you are judged and sent to this new heaven. Even the earth will be a new earth at this time.

The devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever. (Rev 20:10) Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. Earth and sky fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had done. Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. Where is this New Heaven going to be and what does it look like?

Read the Book of Revelation 21:9-27

The Holy City comes down out of heaven and sits in the skies above the New Earth. The length, width and Height was 12,000 furlongs and the thickness of the walls were 144 cubits (Rev 21:16-17). This is equal to approx. 1,500 miles long, wide and high. The walls were approx. 250 feet thick.

--> This is the New Heaven that people go to, but only, after they are judged and after the second death. So...

---> Where do the Christians go when they Sleep if they don't go to Heaven?

They go to Hades! There is a place in the heart of the Earth where Hell is. There is another placed described in the Bible (Luke 16:26) that is across a great gulf from Hell where the righteous people go to wait to be Resurrected. I can only believe this place is called Hades (Luke 16:19-31) because this word only showed up in the New Testament.

>>To answer your question, Nope doesn't matter at all, but you sure are a jumpy little bugger.:) Guess you expected to be attacked by me?-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Fri, Apr 25, 2008, at 5:12 PM

Nope. Didn't mean to sound "jumpy". Just short on time!

Richard,

We must be talking about two different incedents, because the one Im talking about was at Pace Univ. He was arrested for 2 things I cant remember off the top of my head but it wasnt because he stole it, they were both hate crimes and he was also sued by CAIR.

Unique-Lies... God created everything huh?

I guess people can now fully rest assured that Al Gore did NOT invent the internet, God must have.

Clarification - Vinton Cerf was the original computer scientist who work on the development in the 1970's while working for the US Dept. of Defense Advanced research project agency. Timothy Berners-Lee a computer scientist from England is responsible for the WWW. Al Gore's only involvement was attaching his name to a bill in congress, the High Performance Computing and Communication Acts of 1991, and then making a public statement that he invented the internet.

Dunkirk99

I took plain geometry in school and we had to work with theories. Theories were answers to problems worked out and proven. We had too apply the theories to get answers to other problems. I can see how that works, but you describe theories differently.

>>The current theory suggests that the universe was created 13.7 billion years ago. For some of that time, stars and planets didn't exist. Our own planet and solar system are about 4.6 billion years old. Earth was not created at the beginning of the universe.

If the planet earth has existed for 4.6 Billion years don't you think that's odd that you can only find one tree on this earth that is ONLY 9,950 years old? Show me a tree that 1, 2, 3 or 4 billion years old and we'll talk 4.6 billion year old planet.

Actualy I don't have a problem with Earth being 4.6 Billion year old or even 20 Billion years old. I am only saying that God recreated this planet from a void 6,134 years ago. And since science CAN'T PROVE ANYTHING, you can't prove me wrong, no more than I can prove I'm right, according to your rules.

The History channel said that the meteorite, 65 million years ago that hit Mexico caused an explosion that put a dust cloud in the atmosphere that blocked the sun from warming the earth. This caused an ice age that either froze, starved or sufficated all life on the planet. On one hand you are saying that din't kill off all life on the planet, yet on the other hand you would agree that many life forms are becoming extinct because of things much minor than the meteorite, like man steping on a bug or hunting animals. Man's own polluting is killing endangered species but nothing like a meteor hiting the earth.

>>You said - I understand the evidence for these theories. And by the way, a scientific theory does not mean "just some idea". It's much more than that. It's been tested and retested, explains current phenomena and predicts future trends. It's a very robust thing, a theory. Common usage of the term usually means "an idea" or "a suggestion". Please do not confuse the two. Also, please do not confuse ideology for a theory. The bible and everything in religion is not a theory. It is pure ideology that has nothing to do with science or "theories". And one more thing that I hope won't confuse you: Science never proves anything. The whole goal of science is to propose hypotheses and then work your hardest to DISPROVE them. You see, nothing can ever be "proven" and it would be unscientific to say so. However, the most rigorous and robust theories have stood the test of scientist after scientist trying to disprove it. ...but you see that scientists are always trying to disprove theories, not prove them.

Now this one is a mouthful.

"A Scientific theory has been tested and retested and explains current phenomena and predicts future trends."

->This sounds like a tested and proven theory!

then you said - "Science never proves anything. The whole goal of science is to propose hypotheses and then work your hardest to DISPROVE them."

->That sounds like double talk to me. Kind of like a Politican. If Science can NEVER PROVE ANYTHING then who or what tested and retested and proved the Theories? Doesn't make any sense to me at all. Does this mean that 9,950 year old tree has never been proven to be that old? If science can not prove anything then you can't prove anything true or false. If you can not PROVE anything true or false, then by all logic you can not DISPROVE anything true or false.

If you could Disprove something then you just Proved it but since you can't prove anything, it proves what I have been saying all along.

Last question. How much money can I make a year as a scientist not proving theories that can not be proven? Or is it proving theories that can not be disproven or is it disproving theories that can not be proven.

Whoa, I'm getting dizy! Now I see why science doesn't want to try to disprove God and creation, they can't prove anything they can only try to disprove.

I know your ocupation has to be very high tech, but you make it sound like even a Caveman could do it or one of your ancester Neanderthals or Homo Sapiens.

Please correct me if I misunderstood your answers.

I must admit I do believe in the "Big Bang "theory.

God said "BANG" AND THERE IT WAS!

Unique,

>>I took plain geometry in school and we had to work with theories. Theories were answers to problems worked out and proven. We had too apply the theories to get answers to other problems. I can see how that works, but you describe theories differently.

Well, that's sort of it. Theories are more than answers to problems. You're probably thinking of a "theorem" ("A proposition that has been or is to be proved on the basis of explicit assumptions"). Given the evidence, mathematicians came up with explanations of why things work the way they work. Given further evidence, the theorems hold up, explaining new problems that arise in your geometry class. Likewise, scientific theories are required to not only explain the past and/or present, but predict future trends. Like I said, they're more robust than general "ideas" - like "I have a theory! Ms. Scarlett in the Lounge with the candlestick!"

>>If the planet earth has existed for 4.6 Billion years don't you think that's odd that you can only find one tree on this earth that is ONLY 9,950 years old? Show me a tree that 1, 2, 3 or 4 billion years old and we'll talk 4.6 billion year old planet.

Not at all. It's surprising to find a tree that's been around that long. Organisms don't usually tend to survive that long. You also have to remember the timeline of evolution on earth - for the first 3 billion years or so, the planet went from a progression of no life to bacterial life to simple eukaryotic life, then to multicellular life. The thing you might be able to call a tree was probably a genus related to modern ferns, which lived around 385 million years ago. For some reason you're holding on to this idea that life just springs up all at once. It's a complicated process that takes lots of time.

>>Actualy I don't have a problem with Earth being 4.6 Billion year old or even 20 Billion years old. I am only saying that God recreated this planet from a void 6,134 years ago. And since science CAN'T PROVE ANYTHING, you can't prove me wrong, no more than I can prove I'm right, according to your rules.

That's my point! You can't prove anything. All you can do is try your hardest to disprove your theory. So far evolution hasn't been disproven. But it's experimental, testable, falsifiable. Believing "magic man done it" is none of those things so it's not even disprovable! The fact that I'm not able to even try and disprove many of your assertions is a BAD THING. It's a weak position where you stand.

>>The History channel said that the meteorite, 65 million years ago that hit Mexico caused an explosion that put a dust cloud in the atmosphere that blocked the sun from warming the earth. This caused an ice age that either froze, starved or sufficated all life on the planet. On one hand you are saying that din't kill off all life on the planet, yet on the other hand you would agree that many life forms are becoming extinct because of things much minor than the meteorite, like man steping on a bug or hunting animals. Man's own polluting is killing endangered species but nothing like a meteor hiting the earth.

I sincerely doubt the history channel had a program that said that. Not all life died. Period. This is currently accepted science. You are quite mistaken.

>>That sounds like double talk to me. Kind of like a Politican. If Science can NEVER PROVE ANYTHING then who or what tested and retested and proved the Theories? Doesn't make any sense to me at all. Does this mean that 9,950 year old tree has never been proven to be that old? If science can not prove anything then you can't prove anything true or false. If you can not PROVE anything true or false, then by all logic you can not DISPROVE anything true or false. If you could Disprove something then you just Proved it but since you can't prove anything, it proves what I have been saying all along.

I'm sorry to have confused you. When I say "science never proves anything" I mean it quite literally. They get very, very close, but any scientist worth anything would avoid say s/he has "proven" anything. It's really just semantics, though. Science does get very, very close to proving many things. We are always finding new ways to test theories and attempt to disprove them. When we think we've run out ways to test them, we could possibly say we've proven it, but there's always that very small possibility that we missed something - possibly due to us not having all the technology to test the theory. No theory is proven. If it was, it would be Fact, not a theory. Heck, even the Law of Gravity should really be called a theory, since anti-gravity particles in physics have been observed. The tree I mentioned: Well, in a sense, yes. It's accurate to say that with all the available evidence (genetic analysis, carbon dating, growth rings, etc.) it is indeed 9,950 years old. This, of course, is not a theory that the tree is that old. It's an estimation based on evidence (a really good estimation, supported by proper scientific methods and established protocols). The theory (or rather, hypothesis in this case) would be how a tree might live to be that old.

>>Last question. How much money can I make a year as a scientist not proving theories that can not be proven? Or is it proving theories that can not be disproven or is it disproving theories that can not be proven.

Depends on where you work... Industry can pay better, but I prefer academia.

>>Whoa, I'm getting dizy! Now I see why science doesn't want to try to disprove God and creation, they can't prove anything they can only try to disprove.

It's not that they don't want to, it's that god and creationism are untestable and not falsifiable. Design me an experiment to test god's existence or inexistence. It's impossible.

>>I know your ocupation has to be very high tech, but you make it sound like even a Caveman could do it or one of your ancester Neanderthals or Homo Sapiens.

It's really not all that high tech. I just have to understand bacterial genetics very well, along with protein synthesis and how chemicals will interact in certain conditions with the bacteria. We're basically testing our hypotheses, trying to disprove the current theory on how these little buggers regulate their internal pH. Not rocket science.

Unique-lies,

That History Channel show about the meteorite hitting the Yucatan didn't kill everything, it clearly stated that many of the species died off. But, most of the sea creatures that nestled on the bottom of the oceans and lesser mammals near the poles seemed to have fared better.

The Bible is the most complete book... of stories. Nothing more. Adam and Eve were the first folks right? How did ANYBODY know this if they didn't come before them, and of course, nobody knew how to write at that time.... Odd, eh? It simply doesn't make sense. In certain scriptures throughout Revelation it speaks of God drying up the Euphrates so his "people can return home"... But umm, why does the river need to be "dried up" since we know there have been ships/boats for CENTURIES?

According to... Imagination?

Y'all behave.

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