Unique-Lies,

I hope I never get to the point I am not willing to learn and think I can only teach.

parkerbrothers (4)

>>I also was wondering about Moses and Elias that appeared and was talking on the mount of tranfiguration. Would Moses and Elias have went back to Hades and back to sleep once the transfiguration was over?

-> Is that where you say they went?

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Fri, May 9, 2008, at 11:22 AM

Unique-Lies,

I do not know. Until recently I had always just accepted what I had been taught or had repeated to me for years that the saved immediately went to Heaven and the lost went to Hell upon death. I have appreceiated having my eyes and mind opened to another viewpoint that is Bible based of which you have brought forth. I still am learning and want to learn but I was actually asking a question when I said...."Would Moses and Elias have went back to Hades and back to sleep once the transfiguration was over?"

parkerbrothers (5)

>>4How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.

Why do you think the words were unlawful for a man to utter?

-> I wasn't there so I don't know!

He was in a trance or even in some other kind of paradise, anything that he heard there would be unlawful to utter because he would be revealing future secrets about this trance or paradise. God hates mediums and fortune tellers!

parkerbrothers (3)

Sorry I over looked this question:

>By no means I am condemning you as I greatly enjoy your comments and always listen to your opinion which is Bible based. I just would like an explanation of how we get to choose what part of a parable or revelation gets to be taken literally or figuratively. It seems to me Christ in this parable would not wanted this. I think he would not have left us confusion on the condition of the rich man in Hell.

But, YES He would Parkerbrothers! Jesus spoke in parables to hid the truth from the non believers!

Read his other parables and then read where jesus had to explain them to His disciples. (usually a couple verses after the parable) Most of His parables were talking about something entirely diferent from what you first think He is saying.

To understand Jesus' parables YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND JESUS! If you know Jesus... you know God. Get to know Jesus inside and out.

I am going to change the subject and make it long then come back.

The Jewish law forbid the Jews to eat meat on fridays. They could only eat fish on fridays. If I remember right, it was Simon Peter who stated that they no longer had to eat fish on friday but if you are eating dinner on friday at someones house who still believe you must eat fish on friday, then it is a sin to eat meat at their house.

He was saying it is okay now to eat meat on friday, BUT if it is going to offend someone who knows you, then it is a sin to eat meat. In other words, if you eat meat you are going to make your friends think that you are an unholy person who eats meat on friday so it is a sin to your friends and so you are a sinner and they shouldn't listen to you.

The Jews had several jewish laws and traditions that Jesus changed by coming to earth that couldn't be accepted over night because it cause many to look at them as sinners ignoring their religilious teachings.

Jesus didn't want anyone doing anything in public that would make them look like a sinner to the people, even though Jesus done it all the time.

I read in another book that the jews believed there was two places in the earth that was seperated by a great gulf where the people went to when they died. This idea althou new to us, may be the reason behind some of the reasoning in the parable. Jesus didn't want to reveal everything because the people weren't ready for it and wanted to make it sound familar to them so they would understand it better.

> I don't know everything. I can only put on the table what I believe as the truth. When you read the bible, there isn't anything we can prove. We have to take it all on faith. You have to ready it over and over again until you get an answer. The main thing is to put some kind of answer in your mind. Then as you go about your life, something will happen or be said to you that will change it all of make it clearer to you. If your mind is empty about it, that is how it will stay. In other words, if an angel came down from God and told you something about it, you wouldn't know what the angel was saying unless you had some kind of thought about it in your memory.

You will get to know Jesus by reading His word and the parables are full of His thoughts. Learn what the parables are saying. Then you will have a better idea of what God is and isn't saying in the parables and visions. Same holds true with the visions of the disciples and apostles.

You have to let the Holy Ghost guide you. If you don't feel anything don't make it happen by forcing what someone else tells you to believe. Keep an open mind until you learn what it is about.

parkerbrothers (1)

> My first question is minor and involves verse 22. I noticed that when lazarus died he was carried by angels into Abrahams' bosom. It does not mention burial. Was his body and soul transported to Abraham via the angels or just his soul which slept? It states the rich man was buried and in hell with eyes open in torment.

The first answer is:

None of this actually happened. It was a parable that Jesus made up to explain that the world would not believe Him (Jesus) even after He dies for our sins and is raised from the dead.

But to clarify; Lazarus was buried also in a grave. His soul went into a Deep Sleeep and placed in Hades. Abraham represents the seed of all christians today. The father of all christians.(Jews and Gentiles alike) This is why Jesus uses Abraham to represent the righteous souls.

1.) An angel would not put someone's dead body in anyone elses lap. That would be "grave robbing" and God forbids that. Only the soul was carried away in this made up story. The rich man was buried in a grave just like Lazarus only his soul went to hell. Neither the rich man nor Lazarus nor Abraham would have known anything about this because they know nothing and do nothing. This is only a parable. Therefore, the fact that hell and hades was across from each other may not be true. It is the only explaination of where hell and Hades is located and be like and because Jesus tells it there is some truth to it.

>My second question involves parables themselves.

Jesus's own disciples couldn't understand the parables that jesus spoke and had to ask him to explain them. This is because they yet didn't have the Holy Ghost. After Jesus rose, He told the disciples that He had to leave so the comforter could come. As long as Jesus was with them, they would ask Jesus for all the answers, so Jesus had to leave so they could be filled with the Holy Ghost and get the answers from the Holy Spirit within them.

What I say is what the Holy Spirit has revealed to me. I am only one part of the body of Christ. When the whole body of Christ comes together we will know the correct truth about a lot of things. Until then we can only know what is revealed to us. Most of the time we have to learn something else before it is made clear to us.

For example, I thought that sinners went to hell and just died and their soul died with them (My second question involves parables themselves.), but I read a passage that says they too fall into a "Deep Sleep" and wake to punishment. It's like He is preserving us until He can get us all together at the same time then He will resurrect us and judge us.

This brings up another point I can not explain; If we aren't judged until we are resurrected and just before the second death, why do we go to hell before we are judged? It appears to me that we ARE judged before we die. This could be why we are put into a "Deep Sleep" instead of being tormented in a hell before we are judged.

I personally will listen to the Holy Spirit inside of me until I get more knowledge about the subjects. It all makes perfect sense to me the way I understand it. It makes God a loving and understanding God.

Unique-Lies,

Sorry to be so full of questions tonight but I have to ask them when I finally get time to let them surface.

In reference to paradise and more particularily referring to the one Paul was in while praying in the temple I was caused to wonder what kind of place this paradise was if he was hearing words unlawful for a man to speak or utter. I want to think that if good words were being heard it would not be unlawful for a man to speak them. It makes me at first reading to want to think he was hearing cursing and vile words?

4How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.

Why do you think the words were unlawful for a man to utter?

Unique-Lies,

Thanks for the explanation. However I still have a couple of questions concerning this parable of the rich man and the beggar lazarus. Listed below is the parable and my questions follow the parable at the bottom.

19There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:

20And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,

21And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.

22And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;

23And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

24And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

25But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.

26And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.

27Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:

28For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.

29Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.

30And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.

31And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

My first question is minor and involves verse 22. I noticed that when lazarus died he was carried by angels into Abrahams' bosom. It does not mention burial. Was his body and soul transported to Abraham via the angels or just his soul which slept? It states the rich man was buried and in hell with eyes open in torment.

My second question involves parables themselves. I understand what you are saying when you said .... "A parable is a hypothetical what if to illustrate something. Anything can be said in a parable to make a point." ..... but the point I want to make that bothers me is how these parables have been used with such varying descretionary limits on what part is to be taken figuritively and what is to be literal to establish someones belief or even a new denomination might spring forth out of one. In other words in this parable you will say that the rich man in hell can not be literally taken to be actually looking across this great gulf and talking to Abraham since he has to be asleep to support your belief in the "sleep". However at the same time you will take the gulf itself as a literal seperation. This mere mention of a gulf only occurs in the New Testament once and it is here in Luke yet sermon upon sermon and post upon post will demand a literal taking of the gulf and perhaps a figurative taking on the rich man talking and feeling the torment of hell.

By no means I am condemning you as I greatly enjoy your comments and always listen to your opinion which is Bible based. I just would like an explanation of how we get to choose what part of a parable or revelation gets to be taken literally or figuratively. It seems to me Christ in this parable would not wanted this. I think he would not have left us confusion on the condition of the rich man in Hell.

parkerbrothers

If someone today hears about God and Jesus Christ and doesn't accept Him goes to HELL.

If someone doesn't hear about God and Jesus Christ, goes to Hades until they are resurrrected and hear the word of God.

If someone hears and doesn't believe they go to Hell and waits to be judged at the second death.

People in Hell and Hades are in a "deep sleep" or Trance and know nothing and do nothing. Our thoughts perish when we die. We have no memory while in this Trance.

Those who died before Christ went to Hades if they accepted Christ (when Christ went to Hell to witness to them) and put back in their Trance , If not they stayed in Hell and in their trance.

The saints that came out of their graves when Christ was resurrected went back into their Graves and back to sleep, because the Bible says no one has gone to heaven except Jesus Christ.

Since all dead people know nothing and do nothing, they can not be tormented in Hell nor rejoicing in Hades. They are in a Deep Sleep.

->> In Luke 16:19-31

This is a parable that Jesus is speaking so He is using this as a way to reveal something yet hide it from the non believers.

He uses a great gulf to seperate the evil from the good. He calls the one Hell, but doesn't name the other. The word Hades comes up in the New Testament so I believe the other place where abraham is would be called Hades.

That is what I call it. You may want to call it "Paradise" because that is where christians go when they die.

I don't want to think Paradise would be a "Paradise" in the center of the earth across from Hell, but the "Deep Sleep" or (Trance) that they are in would be a "Paradise".

It doesn't really make any difference because the Bible says we sleep when we die and Know nothing and do nothing, so we aren't aware of where we are.

It is my understanding that the sinners also sleep and Know nothing or do nothing.

This parable was used to say that if a person from the dead would tell the living about Hell they wouldn't believe it and still do evil and not live righteously. He was referrring to himself being raised from the dead and the world not believing Him.

He tells us where Hell is and that it holds the sinners until they are raised to be judged. He also explains in it where the Righteous go to wait to be resurrected.

Jesus allows the rich man to talk in His parable to make His point but in reality the rich man would be asleep.

I use to think that the sinners die and their sould dies with them, but I now believe they sleep in a Trance also until they are judged.

A parable is a hypothetical what if to illustrate something. Anything can be said in a parable to make a point.

In the Parable you will see that Abraham ansers the rich man. This would have been impossible because they (ALL) would be asleep in a "Deep Sleep" or trance.

To prove a point, God didn't want his people commnunicating with the wicked, for fear that his people would get corrupted by the wicked, so these dead Christians would not be allowed to communicate back and forth with the wicked in the after life. How would God prevent that? By putting everyone in a "deep Sleep" when they die until He was ready for them.

These souls can not wake up on their own and come back to life to haunt or visit anyone. They are stuck where they are and are in a "Deep Sleep" or Trance.

Unique-Lies,

I was just reading Luke 16 and had a question or two or three. I know you have probably already told me once but for the sake of me not having to scroll through a lot of previous post I was wanting to ask you a question. The rich man was in Hell and looked across the gulf and saw Lazarus in Abraham's bosom. When someone today that has not accepted our Christ dies are you saying you believe they go to hell and are awake and aware of the torment in Hell they are in and a Christian goes into a sleep and resides in Hades and does not know or do anything until they are resurrected? What about the people that died before Christ? Where did they go upon death? Where did these resurrected saints go that arose from the grave following the resurrection of Christ? Did they go back to sleep or did they go to heaven before or after the ascension of Christ? How about the ones I believe Christ went to hell and preached to? Did some become Christians and get moved over to Hades and put to sleep or did they ascend into heaven with Christ or did all just have to realize it was too late and had to stay awake and aware of the Hell they were to remain in?

When Jesus was crucified and He died on the cross the Bible says that many saints who Slept came up out of the graves and walked around. Their bodies had rotted in their graves but their souls were sleeping. If their souls were dead how would they have come back to life? There were so many of them that came out of their graves and walked the earth, that history accounts acknowledge it.

Posted by Unique-Lies on Tue, May 6, 2008, at 9:52 PM

Uniquelies,

Were the souls sleeping in graves with their rotted bodies? Or did they wake up from somewhere else and go get their body and bring it out?

Bringing their souls back to life seems to be no larger of a feat than putting the flesh back together and engaging the soul with the once rotted body does it?

Evil Monkey,

You are the only one who caught this contradition or cared to make me prove what I said.

I am having trouble figuring you out. You are intelligent and know what the Bible says, but don't seem to be able to put it all together. You know your History but I don't and don't care to know it. I don't load my brain down with things I can look up.

Yes, it is true that Enoch and Melchizedek never died and God took them. I assume God brought them to heaven, but they were very righteous men. Melchizedek was a priest who never died so He would be in Heaven with God.

John 3:13

13 No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven--the Son of Man.

WE can see that John 3:13 was printed in the Bible so it is there and we can't say it isn't. I didn't put it there, I only found it there and use it. Right now we can say that it contradicts what the Bible says about Enoch and Melchizedek. Enoch and Melchizedek may be somewhere else besides heaven? we don't know.

Possibly it is referring to the time period after Christ was crucified. These saints were taken long before Jesus walked the earth. That is the only explaination I can give you.

As for the other people who died and came back to life, Oh Hell yeah!

Jesus brought a little girl back to life after she died, telling her family that she was only sleeping. The family laughed at Jesus until He brought her back to life. Jesus did the same with Lazarus. He told his disciples that Lazarus was sleeping and He had to go a wake him. He finally had to explain to His disciples that Lazarus was actually dead and He had to go a raise him from the dead.

DO you see what Jesus is telling us? When we die we Sleep in a deep sleep or "TRANCE".

When Jesus was crucified and He died on the cross the Bible says that many saints who Slept came up out of the graves and walked around. Their bodies had rotted in their graves but their souls were sleeping. If their souls were dead how would they have come back to life? There were so many of them that came out of their graves and walked the earth, that history accounts acknowledge it.

I never said Jesus sleeps or slept. I said when we die we sleep. Jesus, like Melchizedec, lives forever and doesn't sleep. Oh yeah, He rests on the sabath but isn't sleeping until he is resurrected, because Jesus was already resurrected.

No, I never said Hell doesn't exist. It does and always has. When sinners die, they go to Hell. The only thing I am not sure about is "Do the people in Hell get Resurrected"? Since they are known sinners, why would they be resurrected to keep on sinning? What I did say, was that when a sinner dies (s)he goes into a deep sleep. (S)he will be brought up out of their grave to be judged by Christ then cast into the lake of fire (if their name isn't written in the book of Life).

>>The Death, Hell, Life After Death, Sleeping is scattered all over the Bible. That is why most people can't find these answers. You have to read all of them then know how to put them together without taking them out of context or contents.

Preachers may give a sermon on the beggar named Lazarus and the rich man. (Luke 16:19-31)

They may tell of how the begger man went to heaven (not heaven in the scripture) and the rich man went to hell. When actually these verses explain Hell and Hades and describes them to anyone who will read them. The preachers don't see them, they only see the story. They don't know how to put the verses together. They are right there in plain sight, but unless you have the holy spirit within you, you won't see it.

When I read a verse that says God Hates Mediums, fortune tellers, psychics and magicians and they should be put to death, I don't need a boulder to fall on me to get the idea that God forbids us to dabble in super natural spiritualism or believe in it.

I realise I am not a writer so I write differently than most educated people. I try to include proof to what I am saying so I may add more things that you have no idea what I am writing about. I apologize if I confuse you. I am a terrible speller also. I try to use a dictionary to catch most of my errors.

Even quantumcat, whom I consider to be very intelligent, doesn't think sleep is that literal even after I printed verse after verse saying people sleep when they die. If that can't be taken literally.........??

Thank you Evil Monkey for your rebuttal. It shows me that you are interested in learning more!

I don't think the sleep is that literal so we need not worry too much about what dreams may come when we shuffle off this mortal coil.

(If it is more literal,I think the dead will rise just to get away from my snoring.)

;)

redcat00,

All my God asks of people is for them to open their hearts and minds enough to let Him in.

He doesn't require that we allow our good sense or our personhood to fall out.

As others have suggested,turn it over to God and let Him give you a truth you can freely accept or reject with no doubts or confusion.

He won't make an offer you aren't ready for and He WILL take no for an answer.

But,I believe that we aren't lost to Him by the "no's" we give when we don't know what's genuine.

I think we have to have one moment where we know the reality and,like the starry-eyed maiden in "The Fantasticks", we choose our own style over the Lord's substance.

Yes,I've seen desperate people turn to God to get answers and fill voids.

I've also seen people who DID NOT want to be convinced of a real God grimace as they faced the choice of holding on to their undemanding comfort zone or accepting a challenging new life that seemed to offer nothing more than its authenticity.

I found the latter more convincing because they were content enough as they were to give up the pleasures of belonging to God if it meant avoiding the responsibilities.

The only reason they changed their lives is that it would have meant living a phony,empty existence to continue as they were.

(You'll see the same look on the faces of confirmed singles when they fall in love,slackers when they actually find something that engages their spirit and small children who are appalled to discover that books,baths and green vegetables have their merits.)

Man has generally created one of two fantasy realms for himself.

One is the magic world where everything is subject to our manipulation.

The second is a purely materialistic universe where things just *are* and have no special significance.

(In the latter,a thought based on reality and a delusion are both mere electrical reactions.

Love and hate are just different blends of chemicals.)

God's world combines the worst of both worlds.

We have no special formulae,tools or super-powers to instantly gratify our every wish.

Everything we do and everything we are has meaning.

Why would anyone MAKE UP a life as difficult as that???

To be honest,truth is the most that God's life has going for it-and that's the part that most people find the least palatable.

(It's just not as comfortable to ignore as what we create for ourselves.)

But,because it exists beyond us,it can offer far more than we could put into it.

Given the chance,God won't rob you of anything that has made you the unique person you are.

He'll just take away that which has interfered with your being your whole,unimpaired,best and most powerful real self.

Give it a shot.

If it works for you,you'll be glad you took the chance.

If not,you're no worse off than you are right now.

This is more than Pascal's Wager because you are not "hedging your bets" nor are you subjecting your soul to a placebo effect.

God will either make a demonstratable difference in your life or He won't.

Only you can determine whether you want to take the risks inherent in getting a more meaningful life or not.

sand-flea,

Well said. You were describing what I feel by being born again to the tee.

I wish everyone could feel and know the difference between short lived happiness and long term joy. The peace that comes is what is beyond anything that can be imagined.

Millions of dollars could only bring me short term happiness at infrequent times that could be took from me. The free gift of God gave me a permanent peace and joy that can never be taken from me.

redcatoo

I see your confusion.In your statements.You say you see and hear family members talking to you.then you state (WHEN YOUR DEAD,YOUR DEAD ,NOT ASLEEP)You say the christian faith is hard to believe.Is it any harder than believing dead people come back and talk to you.I don't mean this in any way to put you down.

Yes the Bible was physically written by men that were inspired by the spirit of God.If you really want to know if God is real.Ask him to forgive you of your sins and to make himself real in your heart.HE WILL LET YOU KNOW HE'S REAL.Your spirit will be changed.Your whole outlook on life will change.You will see the world in a different way.You will feel like the whole world has been taken off your shoulders."Which, by the way it has been".

And in his word "The Bible" he will teach you a good way to live this life.One that has Joy,not short lived happiness,but long term joy.He'll give you an inner strength that you never had.That will get you through the tough times of life.A peace in your heart that can calm you in times of distress.Jesus has nothing but good things for you.But, it's your decision to make.

redcat00,

There is one big thing that seperates them all. Only one came out of the tomb resurrected.

His following only multiplied while the others perished.

There is a living God and only one and he is calling you. He is there for the taking or leaving as you so choose.

Thanks everyone for your comments.

Unique-Lies, I still do not agree about the demon thing and the sleeping thing, when your dead your dead not a sleep.I feel that when the bible was written it was written to give comfort to people who need something to hold on to or to believe in, but you can not forget it is man made.

Let throw something out there and I'm sure this is going to P--- some people off.Rember Jim Jones and all of the other nuts like David Koresh, they had people who followed them and thought they were holy men most of they followed them to their deaths like people did with Jesus.They said that these men were sick and mentally ill, then who is to say that Jesus was not like them, someone who was walking around getting people to follow him and believe in what he believed in.

Ok eveyone go ahead give it to me... I have tough skin.

Hang in there Parker.

THERE ARE THREE RACES OF PEOPLE IN God's eyes. Jews ,Gentiles, and Christians. We quit being Gentiles when we accept Jesus.

Now the Gentiles like to try and lay a guilt trip on us by misquoting scripture and taking it out of context.

One of their favorite is turning the other cheek.Yes, Jesus asked us to do that as a covenant move to show them who we are. If they are a brother they wiill reconize it and the conflict should be over. But if they cock that arm to smack the other cheek it tells me they are no brother or sister. (I have fulfield what Jesus asked me to do.) God gave us common sense from there. The gentile had better make sure when he cocks that arm I don't have a Stanley hammer in my hand because the war has just been declared. They who think god wants his people to be mistreated don't remember what God did to Sodom and Gomorrah. The move (turn the other cheek) is to show a Christian is slow to wrath,not to be a pansy and let the gentiles run over him or her. Now let,s watch the false halkists come out of the woodwork.

Whatever was behind redcat's experiences,I'm certain that God wanted redcat to be with us here and now and having a pleasureable and purposeful life.

We don't need to focus so hard on the enemies' abilities and agenda that we forget about God's part in all this.

We don't see the smallest part of the good that God accomplishes.

We don't comprehend the least of what He does in regard to us.

We can be sure that He has given us the power to overcome those who would destroy us.

If we can thwart demons with a touch of Grace,what can God and Heaven's armada do?

Satan's best strategy comes straight out of a grade z movie.

He tells us we've fired our weapon six times so we'll throw it away.

God tells us He could give a musket the firepower of an M41A pulse rifle.

We can either shiver in our boots over what "big guns",strategy and tactics the bad guys are coming up with or we can work on our own and check that we are well armed and well armored.

We should also remember that the best defense is a good offense.

We should be showing the demons how effective true keepers of the Peace can be.

Redcatoo

I too love to hear these kind of stories. I love to watch the pyschics on TV when I can get them. I even will cry real tears while I see and hear what is going on, but I have to tell myself that the devil can transform himself into the angel of light. These demons know what they are doing. They can imitate anyone or anything.

I hear them tell loved ones that everything is okay and say things that no one else could possibly know about them. It hurts but that is what satan does.

If the Bible says we Sleep when we die then we have to believe it. I think God is a Super God to let us Sleep when we die and not be troublesome to ones we leave behind, nor be tormented or tortured in a Hell somewhere.

Satan does these loving things for us to make us believe it is our loved ones when it is satan or his demons. It takes our mind away from God and makes us believe in lies that aren't in the Bible. God wants you to trust Him and know Him. Satan wants us to curse God for taking our loved ones. What better way to confuse us than by using our loved ones.

Yes Redcatoo, those were demons you heard. God would not allow our Loved ones to come to us and communicate with us. God hates mediums, Psychics, fortune tellers, magicians and people who conjure up the dead, so why would He send or allow our loved ones to talk to us or show up.

Your heart wants to believe they were your loved ones, because it is a way to keep hanging on to them, but they are sleeping and Know and Do nothing. Psychics and Mediums communicate with the dead, but they have to study and indulge into witchcraft and demonic studies to be able to communicate. Is that what you want visiting you? I know you don't so pray about it. Accept Jesus Christ and let the Holy Spirit answer those questions for you.

I know you don't like my answers, but I won't lie to you about it. We do have guardian angels that look over us. They too can take on any shape or appearance but we have to be careful about them. I can't say too much about the good angels, because I just don't have the answers. I know most of them only bring messages from God or do what God has ordered them to do.

I reveal what the Bible tells me. Not many people have much use for what I say because they don't like my answers that I have found in the Bible. They aren't my answers but what the Bible says about them. Even the churches don't want to hear what I say. Before you turn your back on God, give him a chance to prove His love for you by accepting Him. Just ask Him to forgive you of your sins and come into your life. Ask Jesus to come in and take over your life then relax and let Him come in. You will feel the difference He makes in your life. He will make your sorrow go away and replace it with joy, but you have to make the first move. God has already got your interest, now follow thru with Him and receive everlasting life.

Jesus died on the cross for our sins. Jesus went through a lot of pain and suffering for us so we have to take up our cross and bear a little pain also in our walk with Christ. I speak in my own words but can show you verses for what I say.

What I have to say should be said to seasoned Christians who should be reading this information on their own, but I wanted you to know the truth about your loved ones according to the bible. May God Bless and Keep You.

Unique-Lies

I have read all you have written and I appreciate your time spent doing so, but much of what you wrote convences me even more that the christian faith is not for me.I just find alot of it so hard to believe.

The part about demons apearing as family members;that really struck a wall as for my beliefs. Let me tell you a story. My sister died May 2000 form a brain aneurysm, as a matter of fact she worked for the Times Gazette.She was on life support at Vanderbilt when we as a family made the decision to remover her from life support.At the same time my cousin and her husband entered my sisters home to turn on lights so her childern would not come home to a dark house.When entering the house they heard voices, they thought at first it was a TV left on, but when they checked there was not a TV or radio on any place in the house.As they started to leave they heard the voices again it was 2 women talking they could not make out what they were saying, they turned to go back in and thats when my cousin reconized my sisters voice and my Moms(who had died in 1994).

Lets go to March 2004 I was a sleep and had been for several hours when I woke up, you know how you feel when you think someone is looking at you well that was all over me.I looked at the clock on my night stand it said 3:30 am. I raised up and looked out the door way of my bed room and there stood my Dad and my sister who had died in 2000.She did not say a word she just grinned at me the way she did when she was happy.My Dad had a smile on his face that I had not seen in a long time and when I started to get out of bed he just said "I've got to go".And like that they were gone I got out of bed checked the house and found nothing.At 4:30 my daughter who lived in Tennessee where my Dad lived called me and told me my Dad had killed himself.His neighbor told the police that he was woke at around 3:30 when he heard a gun shot come from the direction of my Dads home.He called the police because there were lights on at my Dad's home and that was unusual.

So you are saying moments after my Dad killed himself 2 demons showed up at my home just to say hey.

Since my Sister's death I have felt her around me and I know it is her because I can smell her,I've heard her voice.In 2001 I was very sick I had not gone to the Dr because I'm very stuburn, so instead I went to bed.I kept getting weaker and and felt like I just did not care if I lived or died thats how bad I was.I Laid ther and gave up then I heard my sister say my name and she said get up, i just laid there, then she said get up again and I still laid there.then my bed shook so hard my mattress jumped up and down and she screamed my name. Thats when my husband came into the room and saw that I was in trouble and he rushed me to the hospital, I had Pneumonia and the Dr said he was surprised that I was still alive.

Again..... was that a demon.

redcat00

My blog name is Unique-Lies. Don't let the name scare you. I have discovered after years of reading the King James version of the Christian Bible that the churches have been teaching their congregations Unique-Lies. Are they harmless lies? You tell me!

I will attempt to explain just some of these Lies to you as I reveal the truth to you about the questions you want answers to.

I went to church when I was a young boy, while my parents stayed home. Even as a child I didn't think that was right nor fair. It didn't matter because my family was a christian family who believed in God and His only begotten son, Jesus, so they knew about Them somehow. If we used the Lords' name in vain, we got a bar of soap in the mouth. That was always my Moms' job to do. Dad would just use his belt and that would be the end of all discussions.

I was Baptized when I was a baby as a Methodist. I don't see how that can count as anything because as a baby you aren't aware of what you are doing or what is being done to you. Baptizing with water is symbolic of washing away your sins. How many sins do we have as a baby? I believe it is NONE! Or so that is what the Bible says. I have been to several different churches and they are pretty much the same except for their own personal bylaws.

This MAY be LONG so you will have to pay close attention or just scroll on down and keep searching for the answers you want for ever.

Forget about religions and think Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior. God is His Father, Jesus is the Son and the Holy Ghost (or Holy Spirit) is the helper we get when we accept Jesus as our Christ.

God would just as soon have you go into a closet to pray to Him because there you can say the things that need to be said. You can confess your sins and ask for forgiveness in private or publicly. When you read the Bible God is talking to you. When you pray you are talking to Him. If you don't read the Bible for yourself, God can't talk to you. When you go to church, you are trusting that God has spoken to the preacher of the church. Most churches teach what the head church send them to preach on. They also teach what the head church teaches rather it is the truth or not.

>>I do not beleive I will go to hell if I'm not a Christian, I do not feel there is a hell.

Let me explain Hell to you! When people die, they go to one of two places. One is Hell and the other is a place across a big Gulf from Hell so neither can cross other to the other side. This is locate deep in the lower earth. I believe this other place is called Hades. Hades was never spoken of in the Old Testament, only the New Testament. There wasn't a place for righteous peole in the old Testament because the only way to God is through the son, Jesus Christ. Everyone went to Hell. That is why Jesus had to go to Hell those three days while His body was in His tomb. Jesus witnessed to the dead in Hell to save all who believed Him.

Right now you are searching for the truth. You are thirsting for the water of Life. God is touching your life and sending you to become a follower. If you ignore this calling, you gain nothing. If nothing else, go to a church and go up to the altar call and accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior. Your life will change and you will know it.

If you don't accept Christ and you die tomorrow, your soul will go to Hell, because God has put the yearning in your Heart to know Him and you refused His invitation. If you weren't searching for God you would be ignorant of God and would be blameless and not sent to Hell but Hades instead.

>>I believe there is a place everyone goes when their time comes to die.

Yes there is a place, but we don't know where we are at that time, because we are sleeping! The Scriptures say that we Know Nothing and Do Nothing when we Die. We are NOT aware of anything going on after we Die. Our thoughts are shut down. What a Blessing that is! Think about it?? We don't have to worry about the last thing we said to a loved one or the last thing we done to them before they died. We don't have to worry about them watching everything we do here on earth and judging us. They are sleeping and don't Know Anything Nor Do Anything. That also means they don't know where they are, Hell or Hades, Heaven or Paradise!

NOW Where and What are these places?

->Hell... Deep in the Earth somewhere where sinners and nonbelievers go and sleep until they are judged.

->Hades... Deep in the Earth across a big Gulf from Hell where Christians go and Sleep until they are resurrected.

->Heaven... The Heaven you are thinking of is where God lives. This is the Highest Heaven and No one has gone there except Jesus Christ. This haven is Jesus' home but not our home. We didn't come from Heaven. We came from the dust of the earth.

->Paraidse... Paradise is in the New Heaven which hasn't been created by God Yet. He creates it after the last trumpet is sounded. SO as of right now, there is no Paridse to go to. Paradise is referred to as a TRANCE that we go into when we die (SLEEP).

>>I also believe we are given a chance to come back and try to get thing rights.

You don't realize just how true that really is! We are Resurrected back here on this same earth as our own selves to try to make things right between us and God. We don't come back as someone else nor something else, but as ourslves, just as Jesus was. Satan is released to go out and tempt and deceive us again. This time anyone who follows Satan will be destroyed with Fire from Heaven. Those remaining are judged by Christ and sent where ever they belong according to their works.

There are many more things that happen first but you don't need to concern yourself with these thing now.

>>When it comes to religion I have so many un answered question, like if god loves his people then why are children,tortured and killed.Why does it seem the good are put thru so much and the evil people of the world seem to have a free pass.

Have you ever heard about people praying for someone in bad health and they live to tell about it. It happens, but not always. That is praying to ask God to intervene in this persons' life and let him/her live.

God doesn't take children and christians home to be with Him. First our home isn't heaven so we don't go home to be with God. God doesn't torture children or anyone. That is Satans' doing. Satan is the god of this world and has the power of death. God has power over satan, but so do we. If we resist the devil he will flee. We have to realize that satan is causing the deaths, torture, disasters and etc, Not God. We must ask God to intervene by praying to Him to stop satan, then believe He has stopped satan.

Satan couldn't touch Job because God had put a wall around Job so Satan couldn't harm him. Satan had to tell God to drop the wall in order to try to take Job from God. We too should pray to God to put a wall up around our loved ones.

Satan takes the lives of our loved ones to make us curse God. DO you see how this works. Satan has convenced all of us that God takes lives not him. What a Unique-Lie that is. If you are a sinner you may get to live longer, but if your friends, family and relatives pray for each other you just may find the good get to live longer.

>>And what about spirits, ghost, or what ever you want to call them how do you explain that.

First we all have a Soul. When we die this Soul Sleeps until it is Resurrected. If we accept Christ, we are baptized with the Holy Ghost, or Holy Spirit (same entity). When we die, the Holy Ghost returns to God because it IS God.

As for other spirits and ghosts, well, they are demons, devils or Angels.

->Demons... are the same as devils. They are satans' angels. Demons/devils can take on any form including the angel of light. They can deceive us because they are of satan, the father of the lie. These demon/devils can appear as a loved one to confuse you into thinking they are from God.

-> Angels... They may appear to you as Loved ones who have died or may not. Don't trust them because our loved ones who have died Know Nothing and Do Nothing, so our loved ones can't appear as angels. I know everyone wants to believe in them but please don't.

Some people love Angels and believe they are loved ones and its hard to convence them that the angels are not who they think they are.

Angels are messengers from God. They usually bring a message from God and don't do other things for our benefit. Also you may want to keep in mind that all the angels in the King James Bible were all male angels. So watch out for female angels which come from satans demon/devils.

-> Ghosts or Spirits you allegedly see like in cemetaries etc., are from satans' flock. They are demons roaming the earth, looking for someone to enter. As a rule we don't see them but in ghost stories an image may appear.

When Psychics and Mediums talk to the dead, they are communicating with demons and devils who may have known your loved one, (but always remember that your loved ones know and do nothing). The Bible says that all Psychics and mediums should be put to death, so that pretty much says they communicate with the evil forces.

I hope this helps you, but by all means get into a church you feel comfortable with and get accept Christ as your Lord and Savior. The Holy Ghost will enter you and you will learn the truth and the truth will set you free.

Above All...Read God's Word for yourself so the Holy ghost can explain it to you. Start with the New Testament.

redcat00,

Sorry to hear of all the family members passing. My wife lost a son 20 years ago this last week and I see the toll it takes on her every year during this time. We discuss a lot of the same questions you have all the time.

I want to assure you there is life after death here. It is a life I look forward to and has given me something worthwhile to live for. All the money in the world can not buy the contentment and peace that knowing and having a personal relationship with a living God can bring.

I understand the spiritual search you are on. I have lived it myself. I truly believe it is a living God that is calling you and wanting to answer your questions. I struggled for years looking for answers and only finding more questions.

I am free now and the torment and struggles has been replaced by a peace and assurrance that surpasses all understanding. I am not the best person to talk to but I would be glad to explain it to you as best as I know how if you ever want to hear about it. It worked for me and might be something that could help you. It is just my simple personal story and has nothing to do with trying to get you to go to any certain church. I do not attend "church" myself on any regular basis and did not find my answers in a church building. I actually only came away from church with more questions. I was looking for answers.

Feel free to call me anytime at 931-224-1571 or email me at parkerbrothers@charterinternet.com.

Evil-Monkey

Thanks

Not quite sure what the problem is. It reboots a couple of times on start up.Sometimes it just freezes,have to reset.

I have never been a God fearing person,I was not required to go to church growing up.(my mama was a God fearing Southern Baptist).I have tried to keep an open mind when it comes to different Religions.I have been on a spiritual search if you will, for several years now. after reading what Mr Bell has written I feel I am getting closer to Buddhism for my spiritual path. I do not beleive I will go to hell if I'm not a Christian, I do not feel there is a hell.I believe there is a place everyone goes when their time comes to die. I also believe we are given a chance to come back and try to get thing rights.Mybe thats hell, who knows.I'm sure I will get alot of negitive things from this but thats ok.Maybe we should all try a little compassion.When it comes to religion I have so many un answered question, like if god loves his people then why are children,tortured and killed.Why does it seem the good are put thru so much and the evil people of the world seem to have a free pass.And what about spirits,ghost, or what ever you want to call them how do you explain that.Any help with these question would be appreciated.Thank you for your time.

Among other things,he was thwarting a legalistic devil.

The enemy was ready to take down Mankind for running up a sin-debt it couldn't pay.

God couldn't just dismiss the debt.

Someone that owed that debt would have to pay it.

(But no one who sinned could pay it off.

They could only add to it.)

God then becomes human through the Logos and becomes heir to Man's obligation without having Adam's legacy of a fallen nature.

Instead,He applies the wealth of Heaven to erase all the world might owe-past present and future.

His taking our place on the cross and assuming punishment he never deserved not only gives us the means of getting out from under the sin-debt and starting fresh,it gives us riches of wisdom and compassion that we can invest in our world and reap dividends for Christ to present to His Father.

He could have set aside a penny's worth of His grace to redeem us.

Instead,He gave all He had because he knew we could give it increase.

He believed in us before we ever had the intelligence to believe in Him.

God would not be content to dismiss those who left His protection.

He called for His strays and when He was told that He would have to pay to reclaim His own,He paid the necessary price rather than let them perish.

But,they will not be lost again.

They bear His name and the same Law that endangered them demands that His ownership be acknowledged because He has taken on responsibility for them.

We belong to God three times.

Once,because we were born to His household.

Secondly,because He ransomed us to bring us home.

Thirdly,because we have given Him our love freely and with our whole being.

(A being He made whole in the first place.)

Christ redeemed us and got us adopted into His family as joint-heirs with Him.

We can sit back and wait for the clan to bail us out every time we get stupid-or we can "go into the family business" and build on what Christ did with what our Father founded.

sand-flea,

Honestly, I never use any registry cleaner programs because it might remove an entry that could cause issues with an application I have installed. If I want to clean the registry, I do it manually by doing a regedit command prompt in the run menu. Then going through each entry. Yes it is tedious, but it works the best. What seems to be your computer problem?

Yeah the baby oil will not allow the pollen to "dust" off after removing the mask. And it prevents the pollen from accidently going through the mask if you were to breathe in too hard.

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This is a Neti pot (one brand anyway. SinusCleanse is also good. They can be found about anywhere they have colds and allergy stuff).

An empty nose drop bottle would do pretty much the same.

The idea is to wash out the congestion and irritants.

As for the baby oil,I'd guess the pollen and stuff would stick to it before it reached your breathing passages.

Is that it,EM?

parkerbrothers

Sorry to hear your under the weather.I'll say a prayer for you.I also get that allergy -sinus problem.I usually take some nyquil and don't call me until morning. Hope you get to feeling better soon.

Wash your eyes and nose out with a nasal syringe or Neti pot,as well.

That helps with colds and pollen.

DO NOT use any mower that doesn't go "baaaa" while tired or under the influence of anything that could make you drowsy.

(Remember to use plenty of water and sunblock,too.)

Evil Monkey,

Let me read what you are saying when I get a little rest. I may be missing something. I just took a 15 minute nap and do not need to focus on anything just yet. I mowed grass from 6:00 a.m. until 8:00 p.m. yesterday and the pollen has took a toll on my body.

marvin,

Are you not reading or understanding what I am saying, Look at these quotes below, he is singling out other beliefs... And then announcing war... It specifically states Jesus will call upon his when he returns. It is getting old, why do you keep saying I am wrong when it clearly states in EVERY SINGLE BLOG of his about a certain race, religion or preference is the cause of the world's problems. Something is wrong about this type of preaching.

"All the news on how the Muslims get all ill and threaten violence when a carton or drawing or news article against their faith is shown. "

"War is looming Jesus is drafting a army to defend his honor I have enlisted in God's army to fight till he calls me home. "

It's easy to forget there are people behind those computer screens.

It's easy to make up a version of who they are to fit the opinions we wish to hold.

The world has done this with God.

Is the Father some sort of ego-driven Sky Bully?

Is Jesus a wimp?

Is the Holy Spirit merely a "Force" more akin to electricity or gravity than a Person?

Perhaps the Father is a nurturing Creator.

Perhaps Jesus embodies the definition of meekness as "God-controlled" (the ultimate strength).

Maybe Shekinah,the Sabbath Bride is not only the means by which the world was made,Jesus was conceived,wisdom is granted and the gifts of the Spirit are bestowed.

Maybe she is our Helper and the source of holy power rather than that power itself.

If we find it so hard to comprehend all the qualities in one another,how are we to have perfect knowledge of the Almighty?

The way to avoid misunderstanding one is the same as figuring out the other.

Set aside what you think you know long enough to talk to them one-on-one ,listen to what they have to say and witness their actions.

Does that mean all of your current concepts will be proven wrong?

Not necessarily,but you will have a richer,more complete idea of that individual than if you settle for a human-generated image instead of the reality.

sand-flea,

They had not heard one speak with such authority as Jesus did. It probably made them shutter like the demons do when they heard him. They almost immediately set out to find a way to destroy him.

They were probably so shook by this authority that they could not commprehend the temple being rebuilt in 3 days.

Call this a training ground for my own church someday.

Unless by a miracle you probably won't attend so I will still do it here so we can futher our relationship.

Michael,

Something I just really want to know:

Jesus went to the multitudes of people that were not saved, the disciples preached to people that did not know. So WHY the hell are you preaching to the same people OVER AND OVER AND OVER.

You talk about going to places where they believe as you do, talk as you do, and read what you read. Doesn't seem to be a very fruitful way of spreading the word. Guess it is pretty damn easy and safe to go to church, or behind a computer monitor and preach to the same people over and over without one reply based on the topic that you started.

So please, I really want to know what is the basis of your blog. What is it's purpose and how do you feel it contributes to spread the wonderful news of Jesus.

It's A fact, not many of us do.

Some people on here seem to think that Jesus was A mild mannered teacher.From what I understand he spoke with authority, you can't teach with authorty and be mild mannered like A sissy.He offended A lot of people.They called him names,and he called them names like,hypocrits,fools,devils,blind leading the blind.This does not sound like A meely mouth sissy to me.He was loud. He had to be, they didn't have loud speakers.He was right about every thing he said, he didn't have to cower down to anyone,and he didn't.So don't try to make him look like A door matt that everyone walked on.Yes, he had compassion and love,but don't mistake that for being A wimp.He stood toe to toe with the best of them,and they left from him, angry and nervous.

When I watch TV I see the Christian faith being laughed at and made fun of more than any other. We are always labled as either a Bible thumping, banjo picking redneck or some other crap. It is so easy to make fun of someone for trying to live a moral life, because its not cool or politically correct unless you accept and/or embrace every lifestyle out there. If we as Christians dont agree with something, whether it is homosexuality or witchcraft or whatever, and we speak out then we are hate mongerers. Although, alot of times when some other religion is made fun of, somebody gets blowed up, sued or called a racist.

For every instance that the ACLU has helped a Christian there is another where they have helped someone sue a Christian for practicing their religion.

God is loving, he is also wrathful. If you dont believe that God is both, then you dont understand the true God of the Bible.

nascarfanatic,

14For many are called, but few are chosen.

LOL... So funny, I love watching you try to explain everything... while explaining nothing.

Sounds good to me.

I confess I'm getting weary of the implication that one faction is God's army and others have been conscripted by the enemy.

Instead,I see God's Army,His Navy and his Marines.

Some of you are called to be SEALS or Green Beret and others Seabees.

There may be rivalry among the branches and disagreements over whose methods accomplish more but there is one war fought on many battlegrounds with ONE commander.

He will work with each of His soldiers differently but it is His call (not ours) to determine if any one group follows His strategies and tactics better than another.

During the "peace times" that are more like Cold wars starting to simmer,it is not His warriors' job to weaken His forces by attacks on one another.

A far better course of action would be to gather intelligence,build up our strengths and prepare to co-ordinate our efforts and bolster one another's efficiency.

I'm not as well-versed in the Bible or the Strategikon as I should be but I seem to remember that positive morale and co-operation are important ingredients in obtaining the victory.

God will not gather His defenders by using press-gangs.

He will issue a call to arms and it won't matter whether the world sees Gomer Pyle or John Rambo,Judy Benjamin or Jordan O'Neil.

His recruits will be volunteers that He will train into an elite fighting force with weapons and armor the foes cannot defeat.

There won't be one that couldn't be trusted to watch the back of his messmates.

Why should we be so anxious to break the sword of our compadres before we're even done with training?

Please,PLEASE try to find some respect for one another as God's creations.

(A little more of this and I'm going back to figuring out whether the Lord had girls in His Air Corps.)

Exactly Evil Monkey . . . one should focus on their own spirituality and beliefs instead of going out and condemning others. If you set a good example of what a Christian is then people will follow.

I guess I am laughing at the fact that I see how ridiculous you and Michael sound and how you judge others. Laughing keeps me from getting upset about how you distort God's word for your own personal agendas.

Plus, how do you know if I am lost or not when your own directions are so misguided and built on your misconceptions of the Bible and not that of God?

Also, you might need to learn to read the context in which comments are written. I laughed at the comparison of the Bible to the sex toy because there was no comparison . . . I laughed at the thought of how someone could compare the two. I wasn't laughing at the Bible. But hey, since you loved to misread the Bible then I should expect any less from the comments in here either.

jaxspike,

Maybe you were just joking like you were when you were giggling about the Bible being compared to the sex toy. Real funny?? Try your luck at being a comedian.

LOL... Okie doke.

Extra fabulous... I need some humor to lighten Michael's "THEY'RE OUT TO ATTACK US AND TAKE EVERYTHING AWAY B/S" attitude. LMFAO!

LOL to all of this. Hilarious. And hey Vindicated, I didn't realize "SATIN" had anything to do with ballgames? LOL...

Meanwhile, Disturbia (or as Parkerbrothers likes to call it, "Disturbed"), there is help, but I wouldn't take any advice from a friend of Tom-Turkey. LOL. He has ficticious friends that he thinks is effective in getting his childish points across. But, as always, it doesn't work. And somehow I remember reading something along the lines of not being negative, Marvin. You and your relapses are getting pathetic. Help, perhaps you should defog the mirror.

jaxspike,

Does not matter where you attend a church. God is the same today as he was yesterday and the day before. He was the same 1000 years ago, 20000 years ago,etc.,etc.,etc.,. No change. Only people change and try to bring their new concept of God with them. It is really quite simple if you allow it to be. No new God. What part of that can you not understand?

If Jesus is building an army you'd think he would pick people who understand the difference between truth, half truths, and total opinion.

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Mon, Apr 28, 2008, at 9:00 AM

Maybe thats' why you have not received a draft notice.

If no-one responds to Pastor Mike or give him attention, he will merely go away.

Thanks vindicated, hope you are.

If you don't stand for something you will fall for anything. Man's facts change. GOD's don't. Keep on the fireing line, most of your shots hit the target. That is why satin wants you out of the ball game. One day, Jesus will say well done Michael Bell welcome home.

-- Posted by jesse sellers on Tue, Apr 29, 2008, at 10:12 AM

hmmmm...well I see a different scenario coming from God. More like "Thanks for all the people you turned off from me Michael, thank you for preaching hate and bigotry in my name, thanks for spreading fear by using my name and an extra special thanks for putting yourself in my shoes and judging others." IMO I don't think it will be such a warm homecoming (or maybe it will be LMAO!!)