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66:8 Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? [or] shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.

Isaiah 66:8 KJV

This prophecy was fullfilled this week Israel has flourished ever since.

Israel has had a turbulent history since God promised the land to Abraham and Issac and Jacob.

Thee whole problem started with Issac and Ishmael and was made even worse with Jacob and Esau.

I have to ask myself "why all the fuss over this piece of land?"

It is the land where God walked for Jerusalem is the Garden of Eden

It is where the covenant was made with Abraham that his seed would inherit the land "the seed is Jesus Christ".

It is where Jesus was born , taught , died and rose again.

It is where he will come back to step on the Mount of Olives to split it wide open and bring forth the river hidden inside it to make all that is dead alive.

It will bring Jerusalem back to all of her glory.

The Bible teaches of the first Exodous of the Israelites .

Did you know there is a second Exodous going on right now!

It is bigger than the first and is is a mixed multitude still.

Etheopian Jews and Russian Jews plus countless others are returning to their homeland.

These time are very turbulent for some think that the church has replaced I srael as the apple of God's eye NOT!

Israel has been controlled by kingdoms throughout history from the Persian's to the Roman's

It is God's kingdom and will always be.

11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, [of] the tribe of Benjamin.

Romans 11:1 KJV

God has not cast away Israel, it is all in his divine plan.

11:2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying, 11:3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life. 11:4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to [the image of] Baal. 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

Romans 11:2-5 KJV

There will be a remanant. For the Jews who accept Christ as the Messiah will be saved.

9:27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:

Romans 9:27 KJV

9:25 As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved. 9:26 And it shall come to pass, [that] in the place where it was said unto them, Ye [are] not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.

Romans 9:25-26 KJV

11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

Romans 11:26 KJV

11:7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded 11:8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day. 11:9 And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them: 11:10 Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.

Romans 11:7-10 KJV

3:12 Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech: 3:13 And not as Moses, [which] put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished: 3:14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which [vail] is done away in Christ. 3:15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.

2 Corinthians 3:12-15 KJV

Some ask where did this "spiritual blindess start , it started in the days of Moses

29:2 And Moses called unto all Israel, and said unto them, Ye have seen all that the LORD did before your eyes in the land of Egypt unto Pharaoh, and unto all his servants, and unto all his land; 29:3 The great temptations which thine eyes have seen, the signs, and those great miracles: 29:4 Yet the LORD hath not given you an heart to perceive, and eyes to see, and ears to hear, unto this day.

Deuteronomy 29:2-4 KJV

Isaiah confirmed it in his book

6:9 And he said, Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not. 6:10 Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed.

Isaiah 6:9-10 KJV

Jesus explained it to the 12

13:10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables? 13:11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given. 13:12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath. 13:13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand. 13:14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:

Matthew 13:10-14 KJV

The "spiritual blindess" of Israel will last until the the fullness of the Gentiles is fullfilled.

11:17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree; 11:18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee. 11:19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in. 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, [take heed] lest he also spare not thee. 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in [his] goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. 11:23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again. 11:24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural [branches], be graffed into their own olive tree?

Romans 11:17-24 KJV

We as Gentiles are grafted into the Olive tree by accepting Christ as our saviour.

God did not choose Abraham for who he was , but by his faith , the same as Moses.

Israel has turned her back on God several times , as I

But God always extends his mercy and grace to bring them and me back into his loving arms.

Israel will be saved I believe this with all my being and the U.N. should not try to divide land for peace for the Temple will be rebuilt and the Anti- Christ will set in it but JESUS will come and kick him out and take his rightful throne.

24:32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer [is] nigh: 24:33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, [even] at the doors. 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no [man], no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. 24:37 But as the days of Noe [were], so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, 24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 24:40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 24:41 Two [women shall be] grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 24:42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. 24:43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. 24:44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

Matthew 24:32-44 KJV

This is fullfiled as we speak for Israel is sprouting her branches and we will be blessed for out of her loins came the saviour Jesus Christ.

The church must be taken away to let God do his work with Israel which will happen in the rapture then the 144,000 thousand Messianic Jews will testify to the rest of the Jewish world that JESUS IS LORD!

Happy Birthday Israel and may God always bless and keep you.

For your King is coming soon!


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Yom Huledet Same'ach!

(Happy birthday)

Shalom!

(Peace)

Mazel Tov!

(Congratulations)

Kol Luv!

(All the Best)

-- Posted by quantumcat on Sun, May 11, 2008, at 10:57 AM

I am glad Israel is doing well. I cant see how anyone can doubt the Bible when just the creation of Israel fulfills so many prophecies.

I was wondering Michael, about the garden of eden being in Israel. I havent heard that before.

-- Posted by greasemonkey on Sun, May 11, 2008, at 11:26 PM

I will go into detail later this week.

-- Posted by michaelbell on Mon, May 12, 2008, at 3:17 AM

I had heard that the Garden of Eden was originally somewhere in the nation that we call Iraq today?

-- Posted by jaxspike on Mon, May 12, 2008, at 6:51 AM

Brother Michael

I was also taught Daniel 7:25 - 12:7 pertaining to the (1260 days or 3 1/2 yrs.of our time.) when satan his self come back to destroy Gods two prophets and people.

Would love to hear your understanding on this troublesome event.

-- Posted by jesse sellers on Mon, May 12, 2008, at 9:57 AM

Eden was the area "The Garden is Jerusalem"

It seems funny that this one spot in the whole world , people fight over.

The Jews are still awaiting their Messiah

Muslims are awaiting Jesus for they believe that he will come back and convert the world to Islam.

The Christians for they await the second coming through the Eastern Gate.

Science says at one time all the land masses were together [in my thoughts pre flood] Would not I srael and Jerusalem be in the dead center.

More to come.

-- Posted by michaelbell on Mon, May 12, 2008, at 4:05 PM

Thre is absolutely no way of knowing where the Garden of Eden was originally. We can speculate as long as we want to, but the world was destroyed by the flood so all traces of it has been erased. (2 Peter 3:3-6)

3 First of all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires.

4 They will say, "Where is this 'coming' he promised? Ever since our fathers died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation."

5 But they deliberately forget that long ago by God's word the heavens existed and the earth was formed out of water and by water.

-> 6 By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed.

The 4 rivers can't be found today so a reference point can't be established to even make a guess as to where it was.

There is nothing that says just how big the Garden of Eden was, so it could be as small as the city of baghdad (or smaller), the state of Israel, or as large as all the land given to Abraham by God. We just don't know.

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Mon, May 12, 2008, at 6:24 PM

The rivers are the Tigris and Euphrates and the Nile , the other one according to NASA research is inside the Mt of Olives , which as soon as Jesus steps on it and splits it into that river will be released.

The measurements given for ancient

Israel was 1500 miles square the New Jerusalem will be 1500 miles square the same measures are for the Garden of Eden.

When Cain was banished he went East of Eden which is Iraq and Iran.

I can see God standing on MT. Moriah creating the place called Eden.

The little place that we call Israel now is not near what was promised to Abraham or Issac or Jacob.

You know it is not a sin or crime to study outside of the Bible such as Jewish customs and word studies and other manuscripts.

Who do you think killed Cain?

Was Cain and Abel twins?

Is the first two chapters of Genesis the same creation or two?

Who did Cain marry?

Seth?

Are the "Sons of God" just ordinary men or are they angels?

Who or what were the "Giants"

Who were the men of great renown?

could these be the stories of ancient mythology?

We can ask questions all day and not agree on the answers.

That is why I study the way I do to try to grasp all I can.

I will never know all of it , but my goal is to learn all I can.

-- Posted by michaelbell on Mon, May 12, 2008, at 6:55 PM

michaelbell,

A river went (out) of Eden to water the garden. From there it parted into 4 rivers. The four rivers were Pison, Gihon, Hiddekel and the fourth river is Euphrates:

Genesis 2:10-14

10And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads.

11The name of the first is Pison: that is it which compasseth the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold;

12And the gold of that land is good: there is bdellium and the onyx stone.

13And the name of the second river is Gihon: the same is it that compasseth the whole land of Ethiopia.

14And the name of the third river is Hiddekel: that is it which goeth toward the east of Assyria. And the fourth river is Euphrates.

After the world was destroyed by the Flood all of those rivers would change. The Euphrates River may be the same river but that is the only river named in the Bible. I would think the Tigris River could be one of the rivers, but there is no proof to prove it, because it wasn't named.

Any book other than the Bible is only hear say and not a proven source.

We must use the Bible to prove scriptures, not other books written by???

The first 3 rivers, Pison, Gilhon, and the Hiddekel don't exist today so we can not be sure about those rivers or their locations. The Tigris River flows through Baghdad and The Nile River is in Egypt. These two rivers don't connect anywhere that I know of.

The New City of Jerusalem is approximately 1500 miles square and as high as it is wide:

KJV Rev 21:16 And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal.

That is 2,250,000 square miles.

That is almost three times the size of Saudia Arabia, not counting the height of course.

So now, according to your figures that you have researched, there was a old Israel that was almost as big as the whole middle east and the Garden of Eden was the same size?

Where Paster Michael Bell would that be over there? East of Eden then would be Iran, Turkey, China or korea.

I agree with you on Israel being a very small country considering what God gave Abraham. That was all the land Abraham could see in all directions.

It isn't a crime to study outside of the Bible such as Jewish customs and word studies and other manuscripts. It is a sin to take them as the gospel truth when you yourself can't prove. In fact sometimes you don't know what the Bible is talking about unless you know the Jewish Customs and Traditions, like "a camel thru an eye of a needle" and "the groom coming to get the bride for their wedding".

1.) -> Who do you think killed Cain?

I don't know who killed Cain nor even if Cain was killed by anyone.

Genesis 4:23 And Lamech said unto his wives, Adah and Zillah, Hear my voice; ye wives of Lamech, hearken unto my speech: for I have slain a man to my wounding, and a young man to my hurt. 24 If Cain shall be avenged sevenfold, truly Lamech seventy and sevenfold.

Lamech tells his wives that he has killed a young man who wounded him so he should be marked so his death would be avenged 77fold.

Lamech didn't kill Cain because Cain would have been an old man by then if he was even still alive. Lamech killed a young man.

2.) -> Was Cain and Abel twins?

The Bible doesn't say how old Adam was when he begat Cain and Abel. It only says Cain was born first of the two.

3.) -> Is the first two chapters of Genesis the same creation or two?

Both Chapters describe the one and same creation. Chapter two merely rehashes the first chapter because it rementions everything that was created in the first chapter only with more detail in it.

4.) -> Who did Cain marry?

The Bible doesn't say who Cain married. He would have married a sister or their daughter or grand daughter. Men were old back then and married very young women. One of the lost Books (Book of Enoch, I believe) says Cain married one of his sisters and gives a name. The Book of Enoch was written by???

5.) -> Seth?

Seth was the third son that Adam begat when he was 130 years old and the main son in the bloodline to Abraham and Jesus. Adam and Eve had several sons and daughters but Seth is the only son now that is in Adams bloodline to Jesus. Cain is considered to be from satan's seed.

6.) -> Are the "Sons of God" just ordinary men or are they angels?

Adam was the first earthly son of God. Mankind became sons of God but the angels in heaven were the Sons of God also.

7.) -> Who or what were the "Giants"

The fallen angels became Giants when they came to earth and took wives of the women on earth. Their sons were Giants also.

8.) -> Who were the men of great renown?

These were the angels fallen from heaven and their descendents.

9.) -> could these be the stories of ancient mythology?

These were true stories in the Bible. To nonbelievers they could very well be stories of ancient mythology like the rest of the Bible.

Most of the answers can be found in the KJV Bible using your common sense and the answers to other questions about the Bible.

We will never know all the answers because some of them are unanswerable, as far as the absolute truth goes.

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Tue, May 13, 2008, at 12:00 AM

The Book of Jasher[which is mentioned in the bible]state that Lamech and his son were hunting and mistook Cain for a deer[because of the animal skin].

Lamech's eyesight was bad.

For this Lamech kiled Cain then killed his son for that.

one of the rivers was proven "by some scholars to be the Nile and the other proven be the Euphrates"

I have the book of Enoch and have read it and do hoild it to be as factual as the rest of the bible.

It is still used in some canons.

Are you saying that Satan fatherd Cain ? how about Able?

As far as "East of Eden"

It was all just land back then"wandering".

It has been suggested that Cain started the oriental race.

-- Posted by michaelbell on Tue, May 13, 2008, at 4:10 AM

michaelbell,

There you go!

What man kills his own son because of a hunting accident? There weren't any laws back then so why would Lamech kill his own son who he built a city after because they mistook Cain for a deer? God said He would avenge the death of Cain so why would Lamech kill his son if he (Lamech) killed Cain? So his son wouldn't tell God? I don't think so. Lamech goes home and tells his two wives that he just killed their son because his son wounded him? No man is that stupid! I just can not buy this story, sorry.

Amazing that there are two main rivers in the east that some poor scholar is able to prove is two of the rivers. This isn't enough information in the Bible to be able to distinguish these two rivers as two of the original rivers.

As I quoted above in another answer the whole world was destroyed by the Flood (2 Peter 3:3-6) making it impossible to recognized everything. Most things were destroyed or changed just as the world will be destoyed by fire (2 Peter 3:7-10) in the last days.

DO you think the worlds largest idol (Statue of Liberty) will still be standing after the world is destroyed by fire. Nothing will be recognizable.

Adam laid with Eve she became pregnant with Cain. Satan using his angelic powers, put his seed in Cain while he was still in Eve's womb.

Abel was the second son of Adam and was not influenced by satan nor his seed.

East of Eden was just east of where ever Eden was located. The Land of Nod was east of Eden. Nod wasn't even a country, but a community of Adam and Eves other sons and daughters because no one else existed back then. So Cain would have married a woman from that community of Nod (Cain's brothers and sisters).

With Israel back then having an area of 2,250,000 square Miles (1500 miles times 1500 miles), where could it have been and what country would have gone up against such a super power back then?

But first, it was the Garden of Eden according to you, having the same area of 2,250,000 square miles. God created Adam to care for the garden. Wouldn't that be just a bit too much for a couple to maintain?

Since Adam and Eve was kicked out of the Garden of Eden, that would have closed the middle east off from the world because no one was allowed to enter the Garden of Eden ever again.

So now michaelbell, where did Noah and the bunch live? According to your Lost Books, Noah navigated up and down the river. Which river would that have been since the Garden of Eden took up most of the land back then?

Now Michael, by using what you do know about the Bible and using your common sense, don't you see why these lost books weren't allowed in the Bible? They are books that someone wrote to fill in the blanks or between the lines, so to speak. They are what if this or that happened like this stories. They can be proven false easier than the Bible can be proven correct.

Okay one last thing!

Cain moved to Nod and created a family of generations. Cain was of the devil so let's just say that Cain lived east of Eden in Nod so no one gets mad at anyone.

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Tue, May 13, 2008, at 10:13 AM

Genesis 4:1

"And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, 'I have gotten a man from the LORD.'"

Would there not have been some blatant clarification that Cain was not Adam's son?

It is easy to say that Cain and all Pre-Flood fools were the victims of Satanic lineage but,surely,the taint we received from the Fall would suffice to explain their evil just as it causes our own.

If Cain had an irredeemable sinful nature,why was he required to make the same sacrifices as his brother?

Why was it forbidden to kill him?

If God saw Cain in the same light as all of us,it would make sense that he be allowed the same free will and means of reconciling with God as anyone else.

If he were to reject a realationship with God and serve the enemy,he would be come of the devil's household much as we do today.

People seem to get more caught up with complex notions involving Pre-Adamic races,Adam's children by Lilith,Eve's children by the serpent and other bits of soap opera than looking at the perhaps too simple concept that God's people are those who choose to love Him above all else.

The humans who allied with God and taught their descendants to love Him became the forebears of believers today.

The apostates became cursed and fell away.

Any of the broken-off branches that elected to serve God regained their birthright.

As each side (the good and bad) had their misfits "culled" by their personal choices,time would strengthen the "purity" of each side's affiliation.

Did any folk other than pure descendants of Eve and Adam survive?

I'd say no but neither did many who had the "right" genetics or culture.

God was able to preserve those who did His will.

His Son has redeemed those who believe on Him.

At the end of time,those who want to spend eternity with God shall.

Too much concentration on the other details can distract from that message.

Once we learn of the Creation,the Fall and the remedy for the Fall,the rest is secondary.

It is our allegiance to God and His plan of salvation for us that should be of prime importance to us.

-- Posted by quantumcat on Tue, May 13, 2008, at 11:56 AM

quantumcat,

As I stated above, Adam had Cain first, then Abel then when Adam was 130 years old He had Seth the third son. Adam had many other sons and daughters also.

When Eve was deceived by the serpent her sin caused the seed of satan to enter her first born son. Satan didn't have sex with Eve he just put the evilness into her mind and heart and that went into the mind and heart of her first born son, Cain. Nothing was said about Cain being satans' son, that was established years later because of his hideous crime. Abel loved God and lived by God's will.

When Cain and Abel gave God their offerings, God liked Abels but didn't like Cains' offering. Don't ask me why God didn't respect it. That hurt Cain so Cain took it out on Abel by killing Abel.

Cain more than likely didn't know he was a sinner at the time. Back then the people in the old testament weren't forgiven of their sins, because Jesus hadn't died yet. Of course, Cain wouldn't have heard anything about Christ coming to take our sins away because Eve had just sinned and they had just been kicked out of the Garden of Eden.

They made atonement for their sins by sacrifying the animals and using the blood to cover their sins. Cain and others in the Old Testament had to wait until CHrist died for their sins before they could be forgiven.

Cain went to hell and when Christ visited hell Cain may have asked for forgiveness and been saved.

Because Cain's crime was hideous and a very serious crime, Cain was afraid one of his bothers or sisters would kill him just for revenge, so God put a mark on Cain so everyone would think twice before killing him.

The Lost books of the Bible talks about one of cain's descendents, years later, killing him in a hunting accident. This is totally hearsay and not in the Bible so it doesn't register with me. It really doen't matter to me but if you read my post above you see how it doesn't make any sense at all.

Cain was given a free will just like us but satan had influence over him because of his mother's sin. Cain chose to kill Abel. Remember no killings had ever happened before. This is the frist murder and it was by Cain's choice. So you could say Cain rejected God by doing something unGodly - murder, and became of the devils household!

If you believe the Bible, you have to believe that all children came from adam and eve and their sons and daughters. The notion that Adam married a second woman named Lilith is anti-christ. The Bible says that Eve was the mother of all. That means Lilith is a made up woman who was invented to give birth to the evil people. That never happened. If you believe that... you might as well throw your Bible away and worship the Lost Books of the Bible, which IS NOT GOD's Word.

>>Did any folk other than pure descendants of Eve and Adam survive?

Yes. Adam and Eve's descendents made up the world population until the flood came. That included the good, the bad and the ugly.

God has preserved the righteous by placing them in a "Deep Sleep" Trance until CHrist came and witnessed to them. They were then placed back into a "Deep Sleep Trance" until Christ returns again to judge EVERYONE.

>> I have listened to a lot of confused people. They don't know what to believe because they have been taught whatever someone want to tell them. Everyone MUST read the Bible for themselves to hear what God is telling us. When you understand what happened and how things fall into place, it should all makes sense to you.

I hate to hear lies about the Bible, even if they are minor or innocent looking. That is why I speak up.

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Tue, May 13, 2008, at 5:13 PM

So in other words your right and everybody else is wrong.

I get alot of my research from people like Perry Stone and John Hagee and I believe what they teach.

-- Posted by michaelbell on Tue, May 13, 2008, at 6:26 PM

Here is the actual verses I was refering to.

And Lamech was old and advanced in years, and his eyes were dim that he could not see, and Tubal Cain, his son, was leading him and it was one day that Lamech went into the field and Tubal Cain his son was with him, and whilst they were walking in the field, Cain the son of Adam advanced towards them; for Lamech was very old and could not see much, and Tubal Cain his son was very young.

And Tubal Cain told his father to draw his bow, and with the arrows he smote Cain, who was yet far off, and he slew him, for he appeared to them to be an animal.

And the arrows entered Cain's body although he was distant from them, and he fell to the ground and died.

And the Lord requited Cain's evil according to his wickedness, which he had done to his brother Abel, according to the word of the Lord which he had spoken.

And it came to pass when Cain had died, that Lamech and Tubal went to see the animal which they had slain, and they saw, and behold Cain their grandfather was fallen dead upon the earth.

And Lamech was very much grieved at having done this, and in clapping his hands together he struck his son and caused his death.

And the wives of Lamech heard what Lamech had done, and they sought to kill him.

And the wives of Lamech hated him from that day, because he slew Cain and Tubal Cain, and the wives of Lamech separated from him, and would not hearken to him in those days.

And Lamech came to his wives, and he pressed them to listen to him about this matter.

And he said to his wives Adah and Zillah, Hear my voice O wives of Lamech, attend to my words, for now you have imagined and said that I slew a man with my wounds, and a child with my stripes for their having done no violence, but surely know that I am old and grey-headed, and that my eyes are heavy through age, and I did this thing unknowingly.

And the wives of Lamech listened to him in this matter, and they returned to him with the advice of their father Adam, but they bore no children to him from that time, knowing that God's anger was increasing in those days against the sons of men, to destroy them with the waters of the flood for their evil doings.

And Mahlallel the son of Cainan lived sixty-five years and he begat Jared; and Jared lived sixty-two years and he begat Enoch.

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-- Posted by michaelbell on Tue, May 13, 2008, at 6:30 PM

Look into John Steinbeck's East of Eden.

He considered it his best work.

A Biblical scholar,Steinbeck used the story of Cain and Abel as a framework for a chronicle of his own family and the Salinas Valley.

This book (intended for his two young sons) culminates in the father addressing his estranged son with the word "timshel" (sic) that God uses to Cain.

Genesis 4:7

"If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him."

"timshol" has been translated "thou shalt rule" (a promise that mankind will defeat sin) and "do thou rule" (an order or entreaty to overcome evil urges) but Steinbeck translated the Hebrew word as "thou mayest."

In this sense,it is both an affirmation that demonic influences can be squelched and a warning.

Cain has the power to conquer sin and meet with God's approval but he may not do so.

"Thou mayest" and "whosoever will" negate any ideas that we can take approval from God for granted or that we are condemned to be victims of our imperfect nature.

God insists that we can be victorious and He is there to help us.

That (more than the story of deceit,violence and expulsion) is what these tales of our origins are about.

-- Posted by quantumcat on Tue, May 13, 2008, at 7:42 PM

michaelbell,

> So in other words your right and everybody else is wrong.

>> Is that what you say I am? I have no doubts about what I Know! It is what the Bible says.

> I get alot of my research from people like Perry Stone and John Hagee and I believe what they teach.

I too watch John Hagee, JVI, and Pat Robertson, but not every week. As long as they teach what the Bible says I will go along with them, but I have even found them saying things that just aren't printed in the Bible. I won't agree to lies or anything that can't be found in the Bible. That is just hear say and could be anyone's words.

->> So everyone knows I know what you are talking about, I will follow you as far as I can with my KJV Bible.

The Lamech you are talking about isn't Noah's father. It is Cain's great, great, great grandson. (Gen 4:17-18)

Cain begat Enoch; (not the Enoch that God took)

Enoch begat Irad;

Irad begat Mehujael;

Mehujael begat Methushael;

and Methushael's son was Lamech;

>> Lamech had 2 sons by his wife Adah;

Jabal - was the father of those who dwell in tents and have livestock. (Gen 4:20)

and Jubul - was the father of those who play the harp and flute. (Gen 4:21)

and one son by his wife Zillah;

Tubal-Cain - was an instructor of every craftsman in bronze and iron. (Gen 4:22)

>> Now in your story Lamech was old and advanced in years, and his eyes were dim that he could not see, and Tubal Cain, his son, was leading him, and whilst they were walking in the field, Cain the son of Adam advanced towards them; for Lamech was very old and could not see much, and Tubal Cain his son was very young.

And Tubal Cain told his father to draw his bow, and with the arrows he smote Cain, who was yet far off, and he slew him, for he appeared to them to be an animal.

And the arrows entered Cain's body although he was distant from them, and he fell to the ground and died.

-> Did you read all that? First you say Lamech was an very old man and was almost blind, yet you said the arrow(s) entered Cain's body and he fell dead.

>> Lamech was almost blind and Cain was far away from them yet the old half blind Lamech shot at least 2 arrows into Cain's body or both Lamech and his son each shot an arrow into Cain's body. Was that good luck or what?

>>Remember now Lamech was old and advanced in years and his eyes were dim, but Cain is about 500 or possibly 600 years older than Lamech. That would have been like shooting ducks in a barrel.

>> And it came to pass when Cain had died, that Lamech and Tubal Cain went to see the animal which they had slain, and they saw, and behold Cain their grandfather was fallen dead upon the earth.

-> Oops! You should have said... Cain, Lamech's "Great, Great, Great Grandfather" and Tubal-Cain's "Great, Great, Great, Great Grandfather" was fallen dead upon the earth.

>> And Lamech was very much grieved at having done this, and in clapping his hands together he struck his son and caused his death.

-> in sorrow I don't think as old as Lamech was, Lamech wouldn't be clapping his hands together that hard that it should kill a young man. Maybe this was a clap on - clap off life and death situation.

Do you see how silly these Lost Books of the Bible sound when you Know the Truth?

->> Here's what my Bible says about it.

(Genesis 4:23-24

23 Lamech said to his wives, "Adah and Zillah, listen to me; wives of Lamech, hear my words. I have killed [h] a man for wounding me, a young man for injuring me.

24 If Cain is avenged seven times, then Lamech seventy-seven times."

>>And Mahlallel the son of Cainan lived sixty-five years and he begat Jared; and Jared lived sixty-two years and he begat Enoch.

-> Here you go back to Adams downline with these names.

Adam was 130 years old and begat Seth

Seth was 105 years old and begat Enos

Enos was 90 years old and begat Cainan

Cainan was 70 years old and begat Mahaleleel

Mahaleleel was 65 years old and begat Jared

Jared was 162 years old and begat Enoch

Enoch was 65 years old and begat Methuselah

Methuselah was 187 years old and begat Lamech

Lamech was 182 years old and begat Noah

Noah was 500 years old and begat Shem, Ham and Japheth

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Tue, May 13, 2008, at 11:04 PM

quantumcat,

I know what you are saying and how you think. I agree with you. I have watched the history channel and A&E on TV and seen the wild stories that the "Experts in Christianity" are doing to the Word of God.

They blasphemy the truth in the Bible by making short movies about "Mary Magdalene", "the true story of Noah and the Flood", "the True Story of Jesus", etc. and they are nothing but lies that disagree with what the Bible says.

The sad part is the people actually believe these false stories because they have removed the "Majestical Wonders and Miracles" out of the stories. They are replaced with silly lies that anyone should be able to see through if only they knew the truth to begin with.

You would be suprised at the number of people who believe the story about "Mary Magdalene starting Christianity on her own" and how she had to hide herself and her Christ child, given to her by her husband Jesus Christ. That is so anti-christ yet thousands of weak minded people believe just that. A lot of women believe it, or want to, because it makes for a good women's movement story.

The Bible say that the son inherits his father's demons. In Cain's case the descendents inherited the demons because they didn't worship God. Even in Adams good bloodline we inherit our father's demons. We have to rebuke the devil and resist the devil to make him leave, but he has to if we resist him.

Satan has already been defeated by the blood of Christ for us so we don't have to battle with him, just rebuke him in Jesus's name.

In the old testament, they couldn't do that. Christ hadn't died yet for our sins.

As for all the good people in Adam's bloodline to Christ, they had all died before the flood began. Noah's father (Lamech) died 5 years before the flood began. He was 777 years old. Noah's granfather (Methuselah) died the same year as the flood so I assume he died just before the flood started. He was 969 years old when he died. He was the oldest living man recorded in the Bible.

Everyone else besides Noah and his 3 sons and all their wives were sinners and drowned in the flood.

Then Noah had to repopulate the world.

The fallen angels came to earth before the flood. They were killed by God and locked up in Hell because they were satans angels. Can you imagine the evil these angels could have started down here on earth. It's no wonder God wanted to destroy all of mankind.

1,012 years later, the Exodus took place. Moses led the jews out of Egypt into the wilderness to the promise land. Along the way they came up to these Giants. Again, these were "more" fallen angels because the others had been locked up in hell. These angels brought there evilness with them so our world became polluted again with satan's lies and wickedness. The Bible doesn't acknowledge more fallen angels at this time but describes them as the descendents of the fallen angels. Did these giants survive the flood or were they more fallen angels? God said He was going to destroy all flesh on the earth so they have to be new fallen angels. I have heard that more fallen angels will appear in the last days but never read it anywhere.

Just thought I would throw in the part about the angels, because they would be able to bring all kinds of evil to earth, knowing all things about heaven and earth. They could have improved the earth here with their knowledge but doesn't look like they did that.

->> I only want to prove the false stories and ideas about the Bible so people won't believe the wrong things. The Fasle Prophet and the Beast are going to tell some mighty big whoppers when they get here so we have to know the "Truth not Lies" or we will be deceived with the first line out of their mouths.

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Wed, May 14, 2008, at 11:49 AM

Granted a lot of the books and series and movies out are a disgrace and fictional about the events of the life of Jesus.

I just want to propose a thought.

What if somebody uncovered a manuscript dating back to the time while Jesus was alive on earth or within 2 years after his death and it was different than what is in our bible, what then?

What if is was accurately dated and proven by the world's greatest bible scholars and it was proven beyond any shadow of a doubt?

What if things like the birth , death or other things that we take for granted were different, what then?

For years we thought one man killed Kennedy and there has been other things thought true for years until new evidence.

Even if Jesus was married that would not change anything for me.

It breaks some peoples hearts when you tell them that Jesus was not born on Christmas day or that Easter has nothing to do with the resurrection[ in fact the way it is celebrated is pagan]

Remember when Pilate asked Jesus"what is truth".

Anything is truth until new evidence proves otherwise.

-- Posted by michaelbell on Wed, May 14, 2008, at 5:04 PM

Michael

They can find all the manuscripts they want.They can claim all the truth they want.

But what they can't lie about is the change that happened inside of me. I know the truth, I have experienced the truth in my soul and spirit.

And,NO anything is not true just because there is no evidence to prove different Faith is a truth Miracles are a truth.There is usually no evidence to prove them.

Shame on you Michael for believing that worldly junk.

-- Posted by sand-flea on Wed, May 14, 2008, at 5:57 PM

We have gotten too dependent on hearsay,soundbites and home-made philosophies.

They don't work with economics,they don't work with health,they don't work with running a family and they don't work with history whether it's Biblical or not.

I enjoy alternate history and I like some of the re-inventions comics and other folklore have undergone.

But,having a new understanding of God doesn't mean He needed a ret-con to make Him more user friendly.

Instead of creating a fictional God that would prove as popular as the newest incarnations of even real folk like Jefferson,Lincoln,King Arthur,William Tell,Anne Frank,George Washington,Davy Crockett or Jesse James,why don't we learn the lesson of changing Coke?

If the "improved" version isn't as sweet or stimulating as the original,people will rise up in outrage.

If you offer to restore it and provide another counterfeit,you'll only placate those who never knew the "Real Thing" to begin with.

Even they won't be satisfied.

(They just won't know why.)

Let's trust people to prefer the genuine article when they have access to it.

People,if you aren't getting what you need from your faith,check and see if it contains the active ingredient.

Search,study and look at the impact it's had on your life.

If it hasn't done any healing,maybe you've been trusting a placebo instead of an authentic cure.

-- Posted by quantumcat on Wed, May 14, 2008, at 6:59 PM

michaelbell,

I see nothing wrong with scientists and experts finding manuscripts dating back to Jesus' time, but look at the B.C./A.D. dates. The experts can not come up with an accurate date for Jesus's birth nor his death. So, are you going to believe they have the correct date of their found documents when and if they find them? They don't even know when the flood happened, yet they can pinpoint the time a planet almost smashed into another planet 10 million years ago. I don't believe anything out of a scientists mouth. After seeing and hearing the Christian Experts agree with anti-christ stories on TV, I hesitate to listen to any of them.

My Bible tells me that I should use my Bible to test scriptures and anything that is being taught or even said about the Truth of God's word. I have found many Lies in what people are teaching the world. I listen to what is being said so I can learn from it if it is from God. I know the difference because I use my Bible to test what they say. Anything that doesn't agree with my Bible, I leave open if I have to or prove it wrong. That is why I throw everything I know out there for anyone to prove me wrong.

Oh, I know I am incomplete about somethings, but have a general idea if not an accurate account of it.

>> What if somebody uncovered a manuscript dating back to the time while Jesus was alive on earth or within 2 years after his death and it was different than what is in our bible, what then?

-> To a nonbeliever or a new christian who doesn't know God's word yet... would or could be convinced that it was true. You, as a Paster, have a duty to prove it right or wrong before teaching it to your congregation. Nothing wrong with tossing the information around while testing it, but don't trust something just because someone finds something new or it was said by the "Worlds Greatest Experts". "YOU" ARE the Worlds Greatest Expert on what you should believe.

Just like the shroud! Half the experts that tested it says it was Jesus' shroud and the other half said it wasn't. Who you gonna believe? It would be great if it was, or if Noahs' Ark is up there on the Arrat Mountain, but there won't be any absolute proof because God won't allow them to be proven. If it was proven to be... we wouldn't need the faith to believe it.

>> What if is was accurately dated and proven by the world's greatest bible scholars and it was proven beyond any shadow of a doubt?

- > I don't know who the World's Greatest Bible Scholars are, so I would have to test it against what I know about the Bible.

>> What if things like the birth , death or other things that we take for granted were different, what then?

-> If the date would put Jesus' Birth at year 1 I might think it was more accurate or the experts goofed. It would prove that the experts were wrong when they said Jesus was Born 4 year before He was Born.

>> For years we thought one man killed Kennedy and there has been other things thought true for years until new evidence.

WHo thought that? That is what the Government wanted you to think. J.F. Kennedy discovered that F.D. Roosevelt had taken the American Money, the Gold Certificates redeemable in gold, away from the American people and exchanged it with the Federal reserve Note redeeemable only by another Federal Reserve Note. Our money today (the Federal Reserve Notes), is back by, get this now, "The good credit of the United States and the productivity of the Untied States citizens". You should be able to read that in your local bank.

Without going into further detail, J.F.Kennedy printed up more money (Silver Cerificates) redeemable in Silver to cover the debt of the U.S. and minted more silver coins. He minted the "Kennedy Half Dollars". That lasted until kennedy was assassinated with the help of the IMF. WHy do you think Jack Ruby killed Oswald then got killed himself.

Vice President Johnson took office as the Pesident and the very first thing he done was... MELT DOWN THE KENNEDY SILVER HALF DOLLARS and destroyed all the new Silver Certificates Kennedy had printed, so we would have to use the Federal Reserve Notes. The reason... the half dollar was to heavy and bulky.

Now let me tell you... there was many other things that went on at that time but I won't go into them here.

>> Even if Jesus was married that would not change anything for me.

-> michaelbell, you should have your mouth washed out with soap!

When the fallen angels wanted to take earthly women as their wives, God allowed them to and He called them devils and chained them up in darkness in Hell when their time on earth was up.

Do you really think God would do that to His Sons of God (angels) who had desires for women and then allow His only begotten Son to do this. God would have to chain Jesus up in darkness also, in Hell, just like He did to the angels.

Jesus didn't come to play nor to stay, so He wouldn't get married to some lady on earth knowing He had to die then go sit at the right hand of His father.

The story of Mary being His wife is anti-christ if anyone wants to know!

>>Remember when Pilate asked Jesus"what is truth".

Anything is truth until new evidence proves otherwise.

-> (This sounds like "defacto law" used today in our inferior courts). Defacto means: Unlawful, unjust and unconstitutional.

I like sand-flea's answer on that.

I will take anything I hear with an "open mind", but then it has to be proven by the Word of God for me to say true or false in my mind. In most cases I know when I hear it if it's true or not. I can be persuaded to believe differently if it makes more sense to me and doesn't go against God's word.

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Wed, May 14, 2008, at 7:53 PM

michaelbell,

I know you worship in a jewish religion that I know nothing about. I can only remark on what my Bible tells me. I know as a jewish religion you study out of other jewish books and material. However if it differs from my King James Bible I must speak out. I am hoping you can put light on things that I say if I am wrong. Anytime you can prove me wrong please do, but be sure it is in the Bible so I can comment on it.

I have always had a question about the jews kissing the wall in Israel and bowing down to it. In my eyes they are worshipping a wall and not God. I am not trying to be disrespectful, I am only curious as to what they are doing and what says this is what God wants them to do. Please explain.

People here in America worship an oil spot on a driveway that looks like St. Peter or a bun that looks like mother teresa or a statue that has tears coming out of its eyes.

These are all idols and God hates them. We are not to worship anything made out of wood, iron, gold, silver, cloth, paper, stone or wood. A figurine of Jesus on a cross is an idol in Gods eyes. Stautes that sit on the dash board of cars is an idol of virgin Mary or Joseph and prohibited by God.

God doesn't want us looking at pictures, paintings or drawings of Him or Jesus or angels when we are worshipping Him. He wants us to see Him in or minds and heart, not in or on an image. We are all guilty of having idols or looking at idols and should pray about it.

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Wed, May 14, 2008, at 8:29 PM

Micael

You as a teacher of God's word,should be clear on what you say and know that it is true.Don't go putting things out there that you assume may be true just because you heard someone else say it.They may be wrong also.You as a pastor have to teach the truth, people believe what you say.If you haven't studied to show yourself approved ,then you are false and can damage a lot of people and their walk with God.You can't claim (As a pastor) sorry i didn't know it wasn't true! You have to be more responsible than the average church member.

Just make sure that what you teach, can be backed up by the Bible.Because if not:You will hear about it, as you well know.Keep studying and keep working at your calling the Lord will guide you.If you stay in HIS word.God be with you.

-- Posted by sand-flea on Wed, May 14, 2008, at 9:08 PM

I agree , all tis stuff is crazy , what people are tring to prove now.

That is why I study the way I do and know in my heart what is true.

-- Posted by michaelbell on Thu, May 15, 2008, at 2:57 AM

The verses of Corinthians below remind me of something I feel needs to be said after I read several of the above post. I hope we can all remember the importance of the foundation even when we are up in the rafters trying to determine where the hip or valley ties into the main roof.

10According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.

11For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

12Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;

13Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

14If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.

15If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

I am not condemning anyone because I know the foundation that Michael, quantumcat, sandflea and unique are building on and it is the only Foundation that will withstand all. It is Christ crucified, buried and resuurrected as the last needed sacrafice.

I never have a day in which I do not learn something special or I am given a glimpse or thought that is special and I know it the second I see or feel it.

As I read the above post by various others and was pondering upon each I caught myself slipping into deep thought and there was my glimpse for the day. I was seeing myself pull up to a job site approximately 25 years ago. I remembered the day just like it was today even though I had not thought about it in over 20 years. I was setting in my grandfathers old 1961 Ford stepside pickup truck he had left me and I was looking at a foundation of a house I had built several years earlier. I knew exactly where I was at. The house had been destroyed by fire and we were there to build it back like it was before. Everything in and of the house was tested by this fire and destroyed except for the foundation. We rebuilt the house and it is there today. I always find it fascinating how we (I) am shown things in peculiar ways sometime. The same feeling I had today was what I had that morning when I pulled up to the remaining foundation years ago. That morning was different at the time to me for some unknown reason when I looked and stared at the foundation but it took 20 + years for it to be shown to me what it was I was being shown and told to look at that morning.

I hope Michael continues to learn and study as he does and I think he is to be commended for building upon the correct foundation. I love to hear discussions on rafters and hips and valleys but I always try to remember they can be tested by the fire but the foundation will remain if it was laid with Christ as the Foundation.

I also wanted to say I appreciate all the post on here from these sources. I have learned more and been inspired to study even further by all the discussions on here than a previous lifetime of pew holding. Some people can learn more in this type of open enviroment and I for one am appreciative of the time these sources have devoted on here.

-- Posted by parkerbrothers on Thu, May 15, 2008, at 11:29 AM

VERY good point!

A lady in this community had a home "built on sinking sand."

That sinkhole threatened to devour her house however beautifully constructed or tastefully decorated it might have been.

Had there been more awareness of the state of the foundation,she would not have had the worry of someday waking up in an abyss.

Since we all are supposed to be "subcontractors" for the great Carpenter,we need to check with Him (and the Architect's plans) before we construct anything that will bear his name.

We can make sales knowing that what we offer is safe and sound as well as pleasant.

We won't get much building done if we dwell on the shingles before the framework is erected.

When we look at the buildings of the past,we tend to marvel at their strength and how they have withstood all the assaults that time has leveled against them.

I don't think anyone has bothered to record the battles fought over paint swatches,cabinet hardware or whether the striped wallpaper was supposed to be vertical or horizontal.

Those issues don't matter after the house has been through the fire or stood a thousand years.

We need to stress the matters of lasting importance and make sure our differences about the rest don't drive our prospects away.

Marvin,I enjoy the exchange of ideas and perspectives,too.

You and the others on here give me a lot to think about.

We could live in the same town with people and never know what or how they think until it's revealed in a blog.

I'm glad we have the chance to learn from one another and be reminded of what we believe ourselves.

I look forward to seeing what the Lord will do with this challenging opportunity.

-- Posted by quantumcat on Thu, May 15, 2008, at 11:58 AM

I too was in construction. My job was to install the drywall. My job was very important because my work covered up other peoples work, good or bad. Up to the installation of drywall the foudation was built then the house was framed up, electricians wired it, plumbers plumbed it, insulation was added for comfort and protection, roofer added their craftsmanship to the roof and prevent it from leaking over the years. I always told the builders that my drywall was going to follow the framing. If it is good the drywall will look good and straight. If the framing is bad I can not make the drywall look straight and perfect. I worked as thou I was signing my name to every the job.

Also I found that you don't know how to do your job until you have done the next man's job, at least once. You get to see all the mistakes you made and didn't even know about. Therefore, I could do better craftsmanship in my work.

The miracle of it all, is that before the drywall is put on the ceilings and walls, a lot of work went into building that house that you don't see. It looks like nothing is being done but it is. And after the drywall goes on and is finished, the remaining work goes on slowly because there is so much little finishing up to do that it isn't noticed like the drywall.

Without all the work before and after the drywall, the drywall would be nothing. there would be no foundation to build on and all the othere workers would have no foundation to work their craft on.

In short, the outcome of the house or building is only going to be as good as the foudation you start with.

Christ is the foundation to build on and don't stop. Keep building on that Foundation! It will hold everything you put on it. Quality not Quantity! That is what God is all about. Build your life on God and you won't go wrong.

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Thu, May 15, 2008, at 12:45 PM

Amen to all!

-- Posted by michaelbell on Thu, May 15, 2008, at 4:08 PM

>> To michaelbell ONLY,

I found a jewish/civil Date Converter online at:

http://www.chabad.org/calendar/1000year_cdo/aid/62...

According to it, today is Thursday, May 15, 2008, The corresponding Jewish date is: 10 Iyar, 5768

On Sunday, September 29, 2239, The corresponding Jewish date is: Elul 29, 5999*

*Last day of the jewish year 5999.

On Monday, September 30, 2239, The corresponding Jewish date is: Tishrei 1, 6000*

*First day of the year 6000 or the first day of the 7th 1,000 years. The same 1,000 years that those in the first Resurrection Reign with Christ.

Only thing is, Christ comes back early to save the lives of His Elete, so Christ will return 3 1/2 years before the Jewish year 6000. That would make it around March of the year 2235, but no one knows the day nor the hour.

The Bible says that God returns early because the Beast claims to be God so He return when the Beast claims to be God.

The Beast was suppose to reign for 7 years, but only reigns for 1260 days or 42 months or 3 1/2 years.

This is what I base my calculations on.

It is only an educated Calculated guess and not a prediction. I won't be here to witness it if it is correct, so it doesn't mean anything important to me. I just like to try to figure out the impossible. My guess is this would be the latest date that Christ will return, but He could return sooner.

What is you views or opinions on this? Is this Jewish Calculator accurate in your opinion?

I'm not really crazy, I just thought I would make a guess just like the other Christian leaders do with the Jewish holidays etc.

I believe Christ will return at the end of the 6th day (6th 1,000 years) and reign with His people during the 7th day (7th 1,000 years) which would begin on the 1st day of the year 6000.

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Thu, May 15, 2008, at 5:49 PM

I will check that out.

Based on what I see and feel , it will be a whole lot sooner.

I get a asense that something major will happen in 2012.

The bible says the world will not end , but I believe it will end as we know it.

The bible says that the generation that sees the fig tree bloom again[ the fig tre has always represented Israel]

That generation shall not pass., if we can figure out what a J ewish term of a generation is.

I was told it was seventy years which would be somewhere beteeen 1948 and 2018.

Bush wants a peace treaty signed by 2009 what if it was not signed till 2011 a 7 year treaty at that then who knows.

If you get a chance e-mail me at thecrossroads08@yahoo.com I want to talk to you on a private level thank you and God Bless!

-- Posted by michaelbell on Thu, May 15, 2008, at 7:20 PM

To All

I was telling my wife last night of how much I had learned on this blog.Also how my studying of the Bible has gotten more intense. I would like to thank all of you for that.To each and every one of you, those that I agree with and those I don't.

I am also A house builder. One thing came to mind while reading the previous post.While framing the house you have to keep in mind those comming after you.The framer has to add dead wood,for the sheet rock,trim,make adjustments for the plumbers and electricians.We have to look ahead to those comming after us.We have to prepare the way for them, so they can go farther and make their job A little easier to complete.That's why we need each other to build on to strengthen each other and teach each other.and keep us strong in the faith.

-- Posted by sand-flea on Thu, May 15, 2008, at 8:05 PM

michaelbell,

I get a sense that something major will happen in 2012 too. Just what I don't know but something.

The Bible says some will still be alive on the earth when christ returns. Many preacher claim the earth will never end. I know we are resurrected right here on this same earth, and go on for a few more years. There is one more battle between good and evil, then the earth and the heavens will disappear. God then creates the new city of Jerusalem and a new earth.

>>That generation shall not pass., if we can figure out what a Jewish term of a generation is.

I was told it was seventy years which would be somewhere beteeen 1948 and 2018.

I have read that 70 years is a generation somewhere in the bible. Also in Genesis 6:3 right after God allowed the angels to come to earth and take wives, He puts a limit on the days of a man's life. Not sure if He was talking about the angels, because they were mortal then, or if He was talking about mankind.

Genesis 6:3 Then the LORD said, "My Spirit will not contend with man forever, for he is mortal; his days will be a hundred and twenty years."

Could this be a generation? Not many people see 120 years today, not even 100 years. Even 80 and 90 years is far and few considering we should be able to live forever. Maybe in the last days we will live longer with all the medical advances they have now. NOT! Medical advances are nothing more than over medicating the elderly.

When the abomination of desolation begins people will pray for death but it won't come so...?

The Abomination of Desolation is the key phrase for God's elete to head for the mountains.

In 2009 according to JVI there will be a manditory identification card issued to everyone. That won't be the 666 ID.

I believe Christ will come before the Jewish year 6000 because Christ has to weed His Garden of all the weeds before the Sabath day begins. Just how many days, months or years that will take??

I think 2012 is too early yet for the return of Christ. I think the False Prophet will come next. More and more people are back sliding and falling away from the truth. These people will be easily deceived by the false religion.

Bush needs to pull our troops out of Irag and send the UN over there where it belongs.

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Thu, May 15, 2008, at 10:59 PM

sand-flea,

Everything that is laid upon the Foundation is impotant and there is a lot of interdependency on each framing member of the house to keep it together along with all the other systems that make it functional.

The main thing I wanted to stress earlier was that I was seeing a lot of possible overemphasis being put on things like the location of Eden, the four rivers, the book of Enoch,etc.,etc. which I was referring to as hips and valleys of the roof to the point it seemed as if it was causing divisions and the fact of the Foundation forgotten.

I was wanting to make sure everyone realized that the scriptures mentioned were telling me that we should be as correct and exact as possible with the information we give out and we might with good intentions and heart build upon the Foundation with different materials and understandings and teachings of which some is weaker and less desireable to build with but the main thing was to build upon the Foundation of Christ and we will be saved.

I think I was trying to say what someone said earlier in a different way when they said "Once we learn of the Creation,the Fall and the remedy for the Fall,the rest is secondary."

-- Posted by parkerbrothers on Thu, May 15, 2008, at 11:05 PM

sand-flea,

I was glad to read your post. I feel like my posts have stirred the fire in a lot of people. I have gotten a lot of replies denouncing my word of knowledge and good replies as well. I feel like I have waken a lot of people up and made them WANT TO Learn more.

I find God's word exciting and the more I talk the more I learn,

Yes, Even I have learned a few things on these blogs.

When God's children come together they have to learn from each other.

Althou the things I have said go against everything we were taught all our lives, it is what is printed in the Bible. Sometimes I just tell it in my own words instead of quoting the scriptures, and that is when I get in trouble because it isn't what you read in the bible. It is my interpretation of what the bible says. All of you usually catch it when I do that and demand that I prove it.

So far I have enjoyed talking to everyone. I hope I haven't turned anyone away from God and His word. If anyone can't test what I say, against your beliefs and Bible, how are they going to do it when the false prophet springs his new religion on them?

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Thu, May 15, 2008, at 11:17 PM

Unique-Lies,

There is a lot of good to be said for your statement:

If anyone can't test what I say, against your beliefs and Bible, how are they going to do it when the false prophet springs his new religion on them?

-- Posted by parkerbrothers on Thu, May 15, 2008, at 11:53 PM

Sometimes,I wonder if the false prophet will even know he or she is leading people astray.

I used to think that the falling away would come from a tyrant imposing lies.

(We'll still have that.)

But,now I think we have more to worry about from attrition than suppression.

The story of the boy and the North Wind reminds us that when blowhards try to snatch our garments from us,we cling to them harder than ever before.

When things are so bright and sunny that we decide our cloak smothers us more than shelters us,we cast it aside of our own will.

The fable stops there but I'll continue the analogy to suggest that the cruel weather will come when we've placed ourselves in its path without protection.

People who don't know what they believe or why,people who try on any fad,people who "inherited" a pew but never became joint-heirs of the Father-these will be victims.

I've said this before but there are two ways to have a weed-free garden.

You can try to burn,poison or yank out every suggestion of a weed and hope you get all the unwanted plants and none of the friendlies.

Or,you can prepare a good growing environment,plant so densely that the weeds have nowhere to grow,nourish your plants with food,light and water,give them support to keep them from falling and protection from harsh elements,avoid trampling them and watch how a well-nurtured seedling withstands weeds,pestilence and bad weather even when they do come.

We may not have all we need to remove the world's evils but we can work intently on cultivating the good.

(We may even coddle a few flowers other folks might classify as weeds.)

-- Posted by quantumcat on Fri, May 16, 2008, at 3:11 PM

quantumcat

I agree with you.About the false prophet leading people astray and not realizing he's doing it.Because he believes a lie also.That's why we have to know the truths of the Boble so we don't get caught up in the lie also.

It's gonna get rough for christans.Because we'll be the only ones taking a stand against him,and the rest of the world will be with him and against us.They'll say that we preach hate,and we're causing trouble(sound familiar)so stay prayed up,don't give up,keep looking up.The day is quickly approaching when we'll get to be with our Lord. Amen?

-- Posted by sand-flea on Fri, May 16, 2008, at 5:23 PM

parkerbrothers

Sometimes we do get carried away with things that don't matter a lot to our walk with the Lord.

I would like to hear about some blessings and miracles that all of you have recieved from the Lord.

For me,work has been slow,I needed a good weeks pay (I'm self employed).A contractor called last thursday ,said he had a couple of days work ,if i wanted it.Of course i took it, well praise the Lord it turned into 7 days work.That was a real Blessing.

-- Posted by sand-flea on Fri, May 16, 2008, at 5:53 PM

sand-flea,

Anyday I am allowed to get up and see both arms and legs attached I am blessed. Even if I hear the crackling and popping from them I know I have even been blessed with hearing.

Most of all though, every day that I am reminded that I am a sinner who has a perfect God with a perfect wrath toward sin and a perfect love toward the sinner and has provided a redemption that can be sealed I am blessed. I am blessed every day now.

-- Posted by parkerbrothers on Fri, May 16, 2008, at 6:05 PM


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