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God's Will or Man's ?
Posted Saturday, June 7, 2008, at 10:18 AM<< Previous | Read comments | Respond | Email link | Next >>
Growing up in a Christian and church background I always heard the phrase "If it be God's will"
God's will ended when man sinned! Until Jesus Christ that is! It was God's will for us to be disease free and pain free and to have no worries, but since man evoked his will, we are sick and in pain and have to work by the sweat of our brow. If you run out of gas on the highway , it wasn't God's will it was yours for you passed a gas station on the way back. If you get diseases like cancer, diabetes or aids or others it wasn't God's will if you abused your body. Everything can't be blamed on Satan either. His main goal is to tell you that we all have time , there is no hurry for salvation, live life to the fullest for there is no consequences! He is already destined to the lake of fire and wants to take all he can with him. God's will now is to put your trust in what his Son did on Calvary. God rested after creation and then died for his creation. If you get sick and say it is God's will then you can say that is God's will to seek a doctor to help. Could a child molester say that it was God's will? A rapist , murderer, arsonist or what have you? Quit blaming God and even the Devil for both only have the authority that You give them. Take responsibility for own actions! Comments Showing most recent comments first [Show in chronological order instead] |
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Unique-Lies,
The only real difference we have had that I recall is about the sign gifts (primarily speaking in tongues). I happen to believe they were given for a specific purpose and for a specific time and were temporary. You believe otherwise and I understand why. I see nothing wrong if you speak in tongues and I hope you see nothing wrong with me just plain speaking in a known tongue. I do not think it is so much about the language we speak as it is the content.
I have never questioned the gift itself. With God all things are possible. Especially something that the Bible clearly identifies as being one of the least gifts of the Holy Spirit. I only question the time of them. I welcome them if they accomplish the purpose Paul gave for them.
Unique,
You aren't bothering me because we are talking civil about this, I have no problem having this type of dialog. I find it civil and we can agree to disagree but at least we are having a conversation. So please you can contact me anytime you wish, I love talking on the phone with others. Typing starts to hurt when I do it for a living too.
I will tell you the definition of Word of God another time, in my opinion. I think you will agree. But I want someone to answer the question in his new blog since it again makes no sense. 931-536-1279
Sorry EM, I only know about the lost books and the Missing Books. I have never seen or heard of any other books that were or weren't in the Bible. I thought maybe they had a name or something. I agree that the Bible is made up of ancient writings, books and manuscripts.
I am not arguing at this point, just trying to find out what writings you are talking about. I assume there is no known writings, but you feel that there was at some time in the past. There would be some kind of record of these books or manuscripts if they were removed. I am trying to work with you on this.
Now I didn't refuse the books when they were discounted by the people collecting the books to go into the Bible. That was done years before I ever came into existance. I can only agree or disagree with their decision. I have no trouble with the Bible the way it is written right now. It is changed every time it is retranslated and there is nothing we can do about it.
These books are not fake. They were written by someone so they do exist. Just how accurate they are I don't know.
I have no reason to talk to parkerbros anymore. He seems to know it all so I can't help him. I don't believe in what he is preaching so he can't teach me anything.
One last remark and I will leave you alone if you like.
The bible is the Word of Jesus Christ. That is why all those letters were put in the Bible. Jesus looked at the jews and said "If you stay in "MY WORD", (meaning the things He taught to His disciples and was later published in the Bible) you Are My Disciples, indeed."
The Word is Jesus and the Bible is the Word of Jesus and Jesus IS GOD, so therefore the Bible is the Word of God. God put in the minds of men what to write in the Bible and what letters to add to the Bible, so God wrote the Bible and it consists of God's words. That is why we call it the Word of God.
Jesus isn't the Word of God. Jesus Is the Word and the Word Is God. Jesus spoke the words of God because Jesus Is God. The Bible is a collection of the words of God so we call the Bible the word of God.
Why do you keep calling them the Lost books of the bible? Why are you being specific about this but when it is something in the bible it says something like Beast, your interpretation or someone else's interpretation clearly isn't a real Beast. Are you arguing just for the sake of being right or are you really trying to make a point about it?
You want proof and the only thing that would be clear and concise proof would be to travel back in time and see for yourself. Does not matter anymore what you think, the fact of the matter is, the Bible is a collection of ancient writing about God, Jesus and the people that follow God and Jesus.
The "Missing" Books are about the same exact thing, just because you discount them doesn't mean they are fake, invalid, or weren't in the Bible to begin with; It just means they are part of that collection. I do not care what Michael Bell says or feels, what Parkerbros (http://www.t-g.com/story/1435689.html) or you have to say about it. But the Bible is NOT the end all book about Jesus. It never says The BIBLE is the Word of God.
Evil
I have only heard a few people state the books were taken out and not showed me where I can read that for myself as proof. I would still have to believe my Bible because I don't have anything else that compares to it.
Lost Books of the Bible and Missing Books of the Bible tell me they were lost or misplaced Books and never put in the Bible.
Removed Books of the Bible would make me stop and think. Never seen any books called Removed Books of the Bible.
I have never read any of these books but my guess is... if I did read them it wouldn't change anything in the Bible as it is written now.
One of the books describes Hell as a place where people are tormented at various degrees of torture according to their sins.
Another Book explains that God has no intention of leaving the people in hell but doesn't want to world to know this. Another book talks about Mary Magdalene starting the christian movement all by herself.
There is one book that has been found that is about Noah and the Flood that is an absolute lie. SHould that book be added to the Bible? Another book tells of Jesus marrying Mary Magdalene and she is with child and has to hide in France for their protection. This last book isn't one of the lost books but what if it got mixed in with the others? A hundred years from now who is going to know.
Unique,
You stated the the books were left out, But they were taken out at various times throughout the past 1600 years, doesn't that make you want to question the validity of the claim, they were left out?
To answer your question regarding Michael, That's simple, he speaks of hate, he classifies people as a type and states they are wrong etc. He prophesies (soothsaying) Which is a sin, he lies, he decieves, he claims to be a teacher and has no answers. His only answer is Because I believe. He avoids any type of question when people don't agree with him. I know his agenda and I find it despicable. God has willed me to stand up against him.
By the way I would be proud to be called a Jesus freak and a lot of people may know you or your family but as for me I never even heard of Parkerbrothers until I started reading these blogs. I can honestly say it is not money or power that makes a man to me. Plus I do hope things work out well for all. We all hopefully learn from the mistakes we make, it is just that some have bigger consequences than others.
Nope sorry not me! I just think it is a shame how you can come on here and critisize different people or try to turn there words around and look how you supposedly behaved. Maybe the lord was showing you personally you should not just talk the talk.... If you remember we talked about anger once.
You know Parkerbro, you sure jump all over EM but were you showing your CHRISTIAN values this weekend?
-- Posted by jesuslives on Mon, Jun 9, 2008, at 9:50 PM
As much as I can every day. Were you one of those people calling me a Jesus Freak and asking me where was Jesus at now to help me if there is such a thing as Jesus?
Figure this riddle out.
Posted by Evil Monkey on Mon, Jun 9, 2008, at 9:30 PM
No riddle to figure. Just real life.
Evil Monkey
If I thought 85% of the Bible was missing, I would stop reading the Bible. Why waste my time reading something that isn't complete. No, every book has a story and an ending to it. A part of me would love to see more books in the Bible that would explain some of the happenings more clearly, but then that would destroy God's intent to hide the truth wouldn't it?
The Lost Books of the Bible and the Missing Books of the Bible may indeed be good books that would help understand the bible better or just give more details to a story, but they were left out. I haven't read any of them but hear about some and don't see much harm in them like the book of Thomas who wrote other saying that Jesus allegedly spoke. They could be true words or not. I don't think it would hurt to read it but it won't help much either. Those books in the Bible would be like these blogs out here. They are just christian people's stories and their interpretations of what happened. Some of them tell accounts that are just the opposite of what the bible says. That couldn't help the Bible readers any. The Bible is hard enough to read and understand as it is.
All those Miracles mentioned in the Bible are suppose to be taken on faith. That is why they can't be proven. If they are proven true or false, we wouldn't need to believe. Faith is believing something exists that hasn't happened yet or exists yet. The Key word here is HOPE! You have to be able to have Hope for something before Faith will work. If you have no Hope then your faith won't work.
The Burning Bush wasn't a talking bush. It was God talking to Moses as the Bush burned. Scientists claim that that particular bush has an oil on its leaves, similar to kerosene. They figure the heat caused it to start burning, but only the oil burned and not the bush.
The parting of the Red Sea has its mysteries too. Scientists claim that a wind from a certain direction and speed would have caused the Sea to part. However the bed would have been mud and they wouldn't have been able to cross.
The Jordan River was parted also at Jericho so they could cross over into Jordan. Many Miracles happened in the Bible that we have to take on Faith that it happened that way. Until you accept Christ you will never have that kind of faith. These are just some of the things God put in the Bible to hide the truth from the nonbelievers. Being a wise man you can't believe these things could happen. The thing is, we are talking about a Sovereign God who is the alfa and the omega.
I have read a lot of your answers in these blogs and I know that you have read the Bible and want to believe it but can't let go of reality. You have to give in to Christ and let him take over your life in order to fill that emptiness of whatever it is you're looking for. When you let go and give in, that is when things start happening.
Why are you obsessed with Michael? He is just one person and his blogs are on here for us not him. We are the ones who discuss and argue them till we upset someone or ourselves. I usually only answer someone elses comment and not Michaels because he isn't going to answer most questions.
Wonderers
You really are asking if God is real, and does he exist; but satan will help you just enough to find information to cloud the issue for you, to keep you confused and wondering.
The Holy Spirit is drawing these wonderers and you don't even recognize Him.
Until you make the decision to base your Faith on God, and God alone, you will continue to wonder, because you have no anchor in wondering.
There is a hole in ever one of us that only God can fill and that filling is done only by faith.
Good Morning Seekers
You are talking about God's word as if it were not holy. You are pulling it apart and maligning it.
Lets hear your interpretation of 1st. Cor. 1-:27-1;28
Ok, how you worded yourself in this last passage is very clear and well thought out. But yeah, it might sound far-fetched but yes, over 85% of the Bible is missing.
Is it far-fetched as a talking burning bush? Water into Wine? or a Living Christ? Then why can there not be more books?
Look, I agree, Michael is a troll, as I posted on Blogfarts.com. He is one of those guys that gets up on his soapbox, says his lies, and when the press has a question? He walks away and has his press secretary come in and lie for him or play dodge the direct question. It is the same thing, blog after blog.
Really though, my problem is with his lying and how he avoids the issues with more lies and how a piece of paper doesn't matter, yet stated he got it because he didn't want others to question him...?
Evil Monkey
Let me see if I have this right: According to you,
Constantine had over 600 books removed in the 4th century, more were removed in the 8th century, then more removed in the 13th century, then 14 more removed in the 19th century.
That would be somewhere between 625 and 700 (Books) removed from the Bible. My God EM how big was this Bible you are talking about? Constantine would have had to remove all those Books just so people could pick it up to read it. I just don't see Constantine or anyone else for that matter, removing 600-700 books from the Bible. People would not have stood still for that if they had been in the Bible to begin with. 600-700 Pages, maybe. I could understand that, but Books? That sounds a little far fetched for me to believe.
It is my understanding that the Catholic Old Testament is longer than the protestant Old testament by seven books: Tobith, Judith, Baruch (added to the letter of Jeremiah), Sirach (or Ecclesiasticus), Wisdom and 1 and 2 Maccabees. It has also extra chapters and verses in Daniel and Esther.
The total number of Catholic Old Testament books is 46 (or 45 if we combine Jeremiah and Lamentation) while that of the Protestant is 39. The New Testament has 27 books. Some of the lost books of the Bible were added and then removed again somewhere from 70 AD to 16th century.
My math comes up with maybe 73 books TOPs in the Catholic Bible at one time or another. Now that sounds more realistic to me.
I am not saying you are lying EM. I am only saying that I can not believe that many books taken out of the Bible. With that many books removed from the Bible, it shouldn't make any sense at all when we read it. You just can't remove that many books from any book and still have anything left worth reading.
I don't want you to think I am jumping on you for anything unless it deals with me. As far as you and anyone else goes, that is not my business. I only voiced my opinion about Michael. I have asked him questions that I never got any replies to. He doesn't have all the answers just like everyone of us don't.
He puts the ideas out there for everyone to discuss and sits back and lets everyone else talk. Some may be lies some may not be. We have to determine what is the truth and what isn't.
You say He is telling lies and is hurting innocent people who don't know the truth yet. That is what I am saying the churches are doing and have been doing for centuries. The people have been taught lies for so long that they believe it is the truth. It isn't, but I am not an eye opener nor anyone who can tell the truth without making a laughing stock out of myself, so what can I tell you?
You know Parkerbro, you sure jump all over EM but were you showing your CHRISTIAN values this weekend?
puppetbros,
Your analogies show how hidden you are, instead of worrying about how I feel, why don't you go "snuggle" down and deal with your own real life issues. If you can't get the pun, I am sure you will figure it out if you read YOUR news.
Figure this riddle out.
puppetbros,
Your analogies show how hidden you are, instead of worrying about how I feel, why don't you go "snuggle" down and deal with your own real life issues. If you can't get the pun, I am sure you will figure it out if you read YOUR news.
For this riddle out.
Evil Monkey, Do not go and ape out on me. I had enough people for a lifetime doing that this weekend. Learn to loosen up a little. Not telling you to start swinging and having just a grand ole time but just loosen up a little.
Evil Monkey
Where is this original Bible you people keep talking about that has other books in it? How in God's name could books be removed from the Bible without everyone knowing it? If people like you believe the Bible has missing books, why haven't they published the Bible with all these books in them? ANyone can publish a book today. WHy don't you publish a new and complete King Evil Monkey Bible with all these missing books in it. Then we can all learn all the true facts that have been missing for all these years.
Posted by Unique-Lies on Mon, Jun 9, 2008, at 2:16 PM
Unique-Lies,
Forget about getting him to furnish you with Monkey's Manual. I have asked him for just the index of it since last year and he will not produce it. Maybe he is afraid to put it out in the public domain because it has the hidden message on the everlasting banana tree that one of the christ he mentions has planted.
parkerbrothers
If you read the book of Job you might comprehend it. Let me explain for those who don't have a bible.
This had nothing to do with god's anger and wrath.
Posted by Unique-Lies on Mon, Jun 9, 2008, at 1:39 PM
Unique-Lies,
If you could manage to swallow a little of that conceited pride you have and open your eyes you might just comprehend what I said in the post you old fart.
Reread the post this time with a little humility and see if you have enough sense to figure out what I said.
I have read the Book of Job and comprehend it very well. I never said it was God's Wrath or Anger. I said it was hard to understand why God would allow Satan to take from a righeous man as Job as he did. I said it was hard to understand God allowing this, much like it is hard to comprehend and accept He has a Wrath and Anger.
I have a Bible, actually a collection of them. It might help if you realized there are some people who have wore out more Bibles than you have ever laid eyes on.
Unique-Lies: Just so you will know, nothing you have written here or on any other blog has been eye opening to me, but your delusions of grandeur are very apparent.
My beliefs are not up for debate!
"I don't agree with everything that Michael says either, but it's his blog and he is entitled to his beliefs."
Actually, no it's not his blog, it's his words, his lies etc. But it is not his blog. Same as it isn't his newspaper, his life or his soul that he is affecting when he lies, decieves and generally disregards things he said in his past as frivolous.
One other thing that bothers me, if I say something that offends someone; I get jumped on and told to stop. When anyone else does? It is a different matter? They are treated as holier than thou, the thing is, Michael is not speaking the Word of God. He is talking smack about people that have don't nothing to him or society. They mind their own business and it doesn't even affect him. They make real easy targets, His best bet is to target me, because I will love for him to debate me face to face regarding his beliefs. That is what I think would be fair.
Constantine had over 600 books removed in the 4rh century, more were removed in the 8th century, then more removed in the 13th century, then 14 more removed in the 19th century.
I think it was more than the Holy Spirit removing them. Anyone with an Open-mind would realize that Constantine was not filled with the Holy Spirit when he ordered the books out of the Bible. He ordered them out because it didn't follow his Law.
A little humor there EM. The Lost Books of the Bible were around as long as the Bibe, but weren't put in. Why? The Holy Spirit didn't want them in.
The Books taken from the Bible?? I am not aware of any but I wasn't here when it was allegedly done. My Bible read complete. I understand it fine just the way it is.
People demamded to know why I said Melchizedec was a equal to Jesus Christ. I had to explain that to everyone when anyone could have read it for themselves. I explained what happens to people when they die. that is in the Bible also but no one agrees.
If that didn't open some eyes then everyone already knew these things.
Yes you should be open minded to everything that is said about the Bible. That is how we learn. If you close your mind to everything you won't learn anything new.
I am sorry if anyone thought I was insulting them or their beliefs. I simply don't believe what I know to be wrong and it has nothing to do with who said it.
Parkerbros and I don't see eye to eye. He is entitled to his beliefs same as you and everyone else. I don't agree with everything that Michael says either, but it's his blog and he is entitled to his beliefs.
I am glad I made a lot of people laugh. Religion can be funny as well a interesting. However, religion can be horrifying also.
Unique,
Seems as that you haven't read enough of my earlier comments to Michael Bell, but thats ok. I just found it odd that you stated that you opened all our eyes when you merely made alot of people laugh that you are so bold enough to place oneself over us mere peons.
Now it seems that You are as bold as to push the puppetbros type of response "King Evil Monkey Bible", makes me wonder if you two are related. Seems I must have struck a nerve eh? I see, we need to be open-minded to your beliefs but when someone else has other thoughts and ideals you trash them with petty insults. How Christ-like is that?
quantumcat
You tell the story of Job in the eyes of Jobs wife and a remarkably good story it is. The Bible is full of stories like this that can be explained more than one way.
Who needs any missing Books of the Bible to understand what God is telling us, even when it is done in a heartbreaking way.
Evil Monkey
Where is this original Bible you people keep talking about that has other books in it? How in God's name could books be removed from the Bible without everyone knowing it? If people like you believe the Bible has missing books, why haven't they published the Bible with all these books in them? ANyone can publish a book today. WHy don't you publish a new and complete King Evil Monkey Bible with all these missing books in it. Then we can all learn all the true facts that have been missing for all these years.
I don't study with any group nor do I belong to a group of end time prophets nor any group. What I know I have learned on my own from my bible.
By your own words, you say I haven't shocked you with anything I have stated about the bible that you haven't already studied yourself. That explains to me that you have read the same things that I have read in the Bible.
I find Tribulationist are far from being right about the end times. Most are only guessing at what is going to happen. I disagree with most of them because they are speaking jibberish like they know how it will end. I enjoy hearing what they have to say to see if it goes allong with what I believe. It may be close sometimes, but I get a laugh out of some of them.
The rapture is explained in the bible but the churches don't tell it like it is printed. Maybe they are reading it out of one of those missing books.
What I say is printed in the Bible. I only repeat verses.
Until YOU or someone with your intelligence publishes a new Bible with all the missing books in it, I have to stick to mine. My Bible may not apply to you but it applies to me.
The Missing Books of the Bible!
If they belonged in the Bible, wouldn't they explain more things more clearly about the Bible, instead of confusing stories in the Bible? They wouldn't have anything to say that would change anything in the Bible, only clearify things better.
The last verse in the Book of John says:
25 Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written.
So... What books would you have put in the Bible? Man will probably still be finding books when Christ returns.
Jesse-
Ya think????????
As for Job,I've always thought his missus had the more interesting story-IF we could hear it.
She's ready for anything to be said or done if it will save her family.
She knows her husband is righteous and she knows God.
But,she can't see why God would let Job and her children suffer.
She can't see why things keep getting worse.
She's ready to light into God or declare Him non-existent rather than watch God's "betrayal" of the man she loves.
It would have been easier had this all happened to her.
If you asked her whether divorcing being good from being blessed was worth it,she'd say "no".
If you asked her if God and the devil needed to be playing with human lives in order to determine who was boss,she'd say "NO".
Some have said that the book of Job refutes the idea of women as chattel because Job's wife was not attacked and his three daughters inherit from him as well as the seven sons.
But,harm to Job and her young was an attack on her.
Her children were seen as property.
Whether the ending has her original children restored or whether Job begets a new family doesn't change the grief she had to endure.
Only a complete editing of history could do that.
The story of the husband can seem dry and more like a parable than the story of an historical person.
The wife's experiences takes the account away from theodicy and the human obligation to accept all with trust and grace.
She is our representative as she reacts with outrage,confusion,manipulation,fear and confusion to a world that is beyond her understanding and control.
She is ready to "divorce" God as He has given her no clue as to why these events are in keeping with His character.
(He hasn't even said "Trust Me.")
Job's wife is all too human and realistic.
While Job plays hero,she endures "collateral damage."
Knowing how she fared after this incident would have made it a bit too easy for us to wave away the issues raised here.
Instead,we have to relive all the questions for ourselves.
The interesting thing is that Satan thinks this is all about him.
In truth,he is as incidental as one of the boils he inflicts.
He is a source of pain and weakness but there is no glory in him.
parkerbrothers
If you read the book of Job you might comprehend it. Let me explain for those who don't have a bible.
This had nothing to do with god's anger and wrath.
Satan came up to God and God asked satan if he had ever seen a man with so much obedience to God as Job had? Satan remarked, like any nonbeliever would, saying oh sure, you put a wall up so I can't tempt him! I guess he would be a righteous man. However, take that wall down and I will show you how easy it is to deceive him just like any other man.
God told satan without the wall around Job, Job would still remain true to God and not blame God for anything satan done to him.
To you and I, that is like putting a wager on someone elses' life. That is what Job is all about. A test between God and Satan. It is just a shame that Jobs family had to pay the price for this test. But we all have to pay sooner or later. Remember how unfair this is, because I believe the Anti-christ will be doing the same thing and even worse things when he gets here.
God jumps all over Job as well as the other friends who told Job he had sinned or done something to make God mad. Job was telling them how righteous he was to God and he didn't deserve all this. So, God in return, asks Job if he was so smart, where did He (God) store up the water that He used to Flood the earth or where He has stored the fire and hail that He is going to use to destoy the earth again in the end times. God mentions the Dragons that man couldn't do anything about. God really lets Job have it with both barrels. I kind of felt sorry for Job, but couldn't believe all the KNOWLEDGE God was revealing to us in the book of Job.
As you read the book of Job you can see how satan has complete control over who he wants to kill or what animals and what destruction he wants to bring to Job and his property. It broke my heart as I read the part where God let satan kill Jobs wife after he let her suffer her childrens deaths, and I didn't even know her. Satan was given full reigns to destroy everything except Job himself... and he did!
THEN...All the Churches say (whenever someone dies)...God took him/her home to be with him in Heaven. First God doesn't take anyone, satan does, as explained in the story of Job. Satan not only takes lives, but brings about mental illness in some, cancer or other deadly diseases and of course accidents or even murders. It doesn't mean you are a sinner or not living right. It just means that satan is the killer of mankind.
When Christ returns, then Christ will do the harvesting of the good and evil, but until then, satan has the power of death. Then is when you will see God's wrath and anger!
Unique,
I know your group of people that you belong to believe in a certain way, but stating something like how you opened my eyes etc is a tad bit funny. You didn't open my eyes and you didn't state anything any awe-shockingly different then I already have studied.
Tribulationists are a very cliquish and headstrong type of people who think they are always right and there are a ton of holes in their theories too.
But they, too, discount books of the Bible that were removed. Which I have to say, what man decided that anything should be taken away from the ONLY source of information about Jesus and God.
Unique-Lies,
The study of Job is interesting. I used to ask myself if Job was righteous why would God allow Satan to take everything including his family. That is hard to comprehend and accept much like Gods anger and wrath are.
We all including myself would like to have a God that could not have a wrath or anger. But if He did not have the wrath and anger we would have no Savior to save us from anything would we? I am glad He is so righteous we can not fully comprehend it and that He does have a wrath and anger because He gave us a Son that I can relate to and mediate my shortcomings and always me to sprout and grow in Him.
I Rebuke thee satan!
Okay, so we all know that this is Michaelbells Blog. That means it is Michaelbells beliefs also. If he didn't voice his beliefs, there would be none of us here to argue his beliefs.Maybe Michael is throwing his beliefs out there to see what everyone thinks about them. What better way of learning.
There isn't one of us who could start a blog on the internet like Michael without being pursecuted just like Michael for our beliefs. Look at all the things I have revealed to everyone on here. I woke all of you up, but only a few dared to respond and voice your beliefs. After voicing your beliefs, you continue to believe the way you have always been taught. Not one person, besides parkerbros, has done any reseach to see if I was lying or not and continued arguing it on their own. No one wants to believe it.
No one can be greater than his/her master, Jesus Christ. Jesus said He was pursecuted first, so you will be pursecuted also.
Michael doesn't have all the answers no more than I, or you. Michael puts it out there for everyone to discuss and learn or mark down as a dead issue until someone comes along who can explain it.
Even the nonbelievers are reading His word because they wouldn't know as much as they do if they weren't reading the bible. I think they want to believe, they just don't see it all coming together for them.
If Michael gave it up today and stopped printing his blog, what would everyone do?
Jesus turned to the Jews and said, If you stay in my word, you are my disciples indeed. You will know the truth and the truth will set you free. Jesus also said, "You did not choose me, I chose you and (ORDAINED YOU)."
Michael, just like everyone else was "Ordained" by Jesus when you accepted him. Michael took it a step futher and got an internet "Ordained" diploma so he would have something to show anyone if he needed it for the law officials. (I may have missunderstood, but I think a couple nonbelievers went online and got a diploma also to be ordained, just because Michael did.)
As far as Michael lying, we all lie when we talk about something we don't know. Have I not told you a lot of Unique-Lies that ALL the churches have been telling us for centuries? You still want to believe what the churches taught you even though they are lies, so how can Michael win? If he teaches what all the churches teach, he is lying to his congregation. If he teaches the truth, you call him a liar for teaching something you don't believe. Michael is a jewish teacher so he uses other jewish teaching books that we aren't familiar with, but he believes helps him understand the bible. As for Michael clouding everything with his lies, well, he doesn't cloud anything I believe. What I believe is perfectly clear to me.
Enough about Michael! Has anyone here read the book of Job? Well, of course you have, or at least heard about him and his problems.
Job was a righteous man and he became a rich man because satan couldn't touch Job. God had put a wall up around Job so satan couldn't do anything to Job. He was allowed to grow in his wealth without being hampered by the problems that satan throw our way today.
Satan told god to take down the wall and he (satan) would have Job cursing God in no time. God lowered the wall but told satan he couldn't harm Job, but could do anything else to make Job cursing Him. Satan killed Jobs crops, livestock, children and even his wife, but Job didn't curse God. Satan even afflicted Job with sores and made him very weak and sick to the point of almost dieing.
Job had a couple friends who came over and talked with him. They told him that he must have done something wrong and sinned to bring all the destruction upon himself. Job told them that he was a righteous man and that he had not sinned, he kept getting worst, but Job wouldn't curse God because he was a righteous man and loved God.
God put an end to it by chewing out Job and his friends. Jobs neighbors brought over some livestock to help Job get started back up, but Job sacrified to livestock in a burnt offering to God. God blessed Job for giving Him the burnt offering and made Job richer than he was before.
One of the important things I get out of this story is...
that satan is the one who kills our loved ones and afflicts us with cancer and other life threatening diseases. Satan is the one who cripples, blinds and takes away our hearing. Jesus laid hands on a mad man who was insane and cast out.... WHO... Legion, the demons! Satan is the ruler of this world so he is the one who causes all the bad diseases, mental retardation and catastrophies that we are cursed with in our lives today.
We have to pray to God to put up a wall around us like He did for Job. Or we can ask Him to cover us with the Blood of Christ. Or just do what the bible says and resist the devil and he will free.
I gotta go work on my patio "Paradise". Ya'll have a great day!
Wrong... Because Michael clouds all of the issues when he lies about things, and unlike a Christian, he can't admit he lied and ask for forgiveness... (not from us, but from God)
Quantumcat
I agree tact and diplomacy is useful in life.
Give praise when prase is due, offer hope when all seems lost.
When you are building you start with a solid foundation.
Straight talk is the clear route when giving instructions to the workers. Turmoil or confusion is not wanted or needed, it,s a tool that is used to destroy or slow down what a person is trying to achieve.
I see it being used here just to cloud the issues that Michael is trying to get across.
I said that I did NOT BELIEVE that diseases were the will of God!
Read the blogs don't just assume.
I did not say it was punishment from God.
I do think however that God will pit people in certain situations so they will serve his purpose.
I say again I do not believe it is God's will for man to get these diseases.
Man brought them into the world God didn't.
Thanks y'all.
(Sweet dreams,jesse.)
It wouldn't hurt for somebody to offer refresher courses in tact and diplomacy but it would also be good if we were to get regular reminders about personal responsibility.
That means not tossing all the blame onto God or Satan and it means thinking about how today's actions can affect others besides ourselves-even generations yet unborn.
It's true that God never planned on including all the turmoil we have.
But what do we do about it now that it's here?
We can admit our role in causing and/or perpetuating trouble and we can stand before God and say:
"I don't give a flip who caused the problems. I'm here to be part of the solution. Tell me who,what,when,where,how and why and,between the two of us,we'll get the situation licked by lunchtime."
The lost folk in Noah's day gave no heed to the trouble their world was in but the rest didn't just rail about the devastation to come.
Their duty to warn didn't interfere with their obligation to create a better world.
They built the ark,stocked it with the animals,necessary provisions and such.
They followed God's instructions from gathering the first bit of gopher wood until the last glimpse of rainbow.
Even as sin and destruction were taking their toll,those heeding God were focusing on tasks that left them little time for dread.
Each job they were given was a confirmation that God still believed in them.
They still had a right to hope.
We can remember the harsh realities of Eden,Sodom,the Flood,the Exodus,Herod's genocide and the Crucifixion but we should remember that each of those stories included people surviving to enjoy new and better lives.
It's as much our job to construct the framework for what's right as to tear down what's wrong.
Michael..michael..michael.....Do you start on Monday and sit around for the next 6 days and think up silly things to put on your blog ??? Do you go back and read it several times before you post it ??? What made you think up ..If you run out of gas on the side of the road it is not God's faught BUT your fault for passing a gas station and not getting gas....If you have a disease it is not God's fault but yours cause you have miss treated your body ...Except if you get the disease from bad genes and then it is your families fault from years ago....Why can't you talk about LOVING your brother's and sister's and give a helping hand to who ever you can when they need help....My goodness you have the most Sad...Depressed...non Loving blog I have ever read...Thank Goodness God does not look down on his family like you do....I Thank God for that...
Me to quantumcat.
Time for this old man to go to bed.
I am sorry Michael, but you have officially crossed a line with me now. My father died due to complications from having diabetes. He was an amazing person and the best father a child could hope to have. My mother left us when I was young and even though he was sick and lost his eyesight, he refused to allow anyone to take care of me but himself because he loved me so much. We both had an amazing bond and love that allowed us to take care of each other until his death.
I cannot believe you would say something so heartless and cruel in insinuating he died from diabetes because he deserved it and it was a punishment from God. You can claim how much you are Christian all you want, but you will never be half the man my father was nor show the amount of love and compassion that he did. He was the light when all seemed dark and he loved me like no other person could. He may not have been perfect but no man is but he his actions spoke loud and clear and if anyone deserved to go to heaven, it was him. He definitely was more of a Christian than you are and he didn't have to label himself as one like you do to get attention or try and impress God. His actions spoke louder than any words that come from your mouth.
I can put up with a lot of your comments but this is pathetic and sad and only goes to show your utter lack of God and his teachings and don't you ever dare make such a comment again like you just did. It is not your place to determine God's will or plan or to decide why people die. AIDS is not a punishment for homosexuality nor is diabetes or any other disease a punishment for sinners . . . it is just a fact of life and both guilty and innocent people obtain it and die from it.
Anyway, I could go on because I am so angered by your sheer stupidity but I will say this . . . everyone is entitled to their own beliefs but don't you ever insinuate something like this again. It is highly offensive and something that no true Christian should ever allow to come out of their mouth.
Veggietales - AMAZING comments...
Quantumcat- You always impress me! Your words speak volumes, you are a truly gifted human!
Thank you veggietales.
jesse sellers,I worry about the people who have to "pepper" their sermons just as much as the ones who hawk "sugar-frosted faith".
I guess I like the Word presented with a smidgen of salt.
The truth doesn't need any additives to make it flavorful.
All it needs is something to preserve it.
Michael
Some pastors can't tell it like it is becsuse they have to sugarcoat their messages to keep their congregation.
Listen to them and see if they are worried about their prosperity, or people going to hell.
Whatever is "supposed" to be done,this ain't it.
Let's try asking God to reveal what His truth is and how it can be demonstrated in a way that forthtells what people need to hear to lead their lives properly.
We need warnings and chastisement and we also need wisdom and comfort.
We require a turning away from the sin that has crippled us and a celebration of the grace that renews and reconstructs us.
We should listen to God speak rather than talk to hear the sound of our own voices.
All this squabbling seems about as productive as the "feuds" seen in pro wrestling.
It's nothing like Jacob wrestling with the angel.
I've yet to see any signs that any of the combatants has had his walk changed because he's contended with another.
Any genuine issues have atrophied from neglect while the fussing continues.
There's a difference between letting sin and error flourish without censure and making sure one has spoken WITH God before speaking FOR Him.
Better yet,let Him speak and act for Himself and see if He doesn't direct more building up than He does tearing down.
Tell me,is it enough to have people avoid the negative to stay healthy?
Is it enough to have good genes,avoid germs and toxins and injuries?
Shouldn't they include positive things like rest,a wholesome diet,good hygiene,proper exercise,staying mentally active,having fun and being connected to supportive people?
If jogging and eating yogurt won't guarantee long life,neither will sterilizing every thing one touches and wearing body armor.
A healthy body living in a real world requires equal parts of the curative,the preventative,and the constructive.
So does one's spiritual welfare.
Would someone looking at God's people from outside see us as having a stable foundation that includes all those life-enhancing elements?
Or would we come across as a little bit...unbalanced?
My Pastor has no degrees or papers and I would go with him anywhere to preach the Word of God.
-- Posted by michaelbell on Sun, Jun 8, 2008, at 8:11 PM
Believe me, THAT does not come as a surprise in the least. Actually it sheds a lot of light onto the situation... Apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
Oh and this too: real pastors don't make idiotic political remarks about entire countries based on the fact that certain religions are prevalent there.
If my goal as pastor of First Christian Church of Nashville is to save souls, I try not to alienate the whole town by saying that Elvis sucks.
Catch my drift?
I have Holy Spirit and Bible too, I am a Preacher too.
The main credential I have to preach the Word of God is the Bible.
Yeah I agree those certificates are not worth a hill of beans.
They just come with the course I read and study everyday to prove myself worthy.
Maybe I am more of a Preacher than a Pastor.
Those papers were for finishing the course same as a course in anything else I guess.
My credentials is the Holy Spirit and the Holy Bible and those two are infallible and untouchable to anybody.
My Pastor has no degrees or papers and I would go with him anywhere to preach the Word of God.
michael
Go by the book and remember we all fall short of what should be.
Just keep laying God's facts on us, and watch out for the bolders man puts in the way.
Parker put it the best with his twoedged sword line.
Wee! "living" should meant "loving".
"too many "men of God" out there who only teach love while leaving the people in their sins, tell me is that the way you are supposed to do it?"
Yes Michael, it is. Why do you feel there should be a set number of living men of God? Jesus taught with Love and Forgiveness. You seem to teach from the Old Testament point of view, that world is gone.
What I can see happening here is: Michael doesn't really have any special training, and people like EM have asked him about this in the past. I gather that he said he was accredited, and this is not the case. Not anyone can just be a pastor. An online course is not the same thing as an accredited degree. There are diploma mills all over the internet. But real schools have to jump through all kinds of hoops to prove to the state that their education is up to the necessary standards...otherwise, people are just buying a degree without really deserving one.
Now, the correspondence course may be a great study tool, but it in no way even BEGINS to compare to a real theology degree. I read the requirements for the certificate on the Cathedral website, and all you have to do is fill out a form with your name and address, and put a checkmark in the box where it asks if you read the PDF file.
I'm sorry, but I don't care how long this PDF file is, I could not have gotten a degree in Information Technology from reading one file. I had to purchase a plethora of textbooks on many different subjects, some of which were not even related to the IT field. So for Michael to say that he has the proper credentials is quite laughable. Actually, I don't know if he thought he was lying, as it seems to me, by looking at the way he writes, that he just doesn't know the difference.
I have a certification from Broadcast Center. But I know enough not to say it is a degree. It is a certification. I spent a year and a half earning it, but that doesn't make it a degree.
I know MY church would be a little more discerning than to induct a pastor that had received his 'certification' from a school that doesn't test students. The only thing the Cathedral Online "School" tests is that people know how to fill out a form. Can you imagine if the ASVAB test was one question: What is your name?
Would you trust the future of your country to a military that didn't know anything about history, mathematics, or science? Sure, this guy knows how to fill in a circle on a scantron sheet, let's make him a 5 star general now.
It's the same thing with pastors. If they don't have a REAL accreditation, they risk causing situations like this very blog, where they quote something out of context (or worse, pass off their own comments as scripture). You have people arguing, people saying "you're going to hell", this is tue, no this is true, and nothing gets solved other than people realizing that they dislike certain people based on their comments in the thread.
I forget which other commenter asked you Michael, if you remember the verse about not being a stumbling block. If you step back for a second, what else do you think could be the outcome of all this?
The bottom line is, it is the Great Commission, we are all incited to spread the gospel to the ends of the earth. But I am afraid that when you try to do this, you are automatically setting yourself up to be scrutinized and ridiculed. The devil works hard to discourage God's servants, wouldn't you agree?
I do not doubt that you have good intentions, but what is that saying, about good intentions?
My two cents: if you are going to use a public medium such as a blog to spread the gospel, try not to give the people you are preaching at, so many reasons to discount everything you say. When you lie, or even just appear ignorant, it really isn't doing any favors for God.
I realize that we are to judge Christianity based on what Jesus did, and who Jesus was, and what Jesus said. But the unbelievers do not know Jesus, so you are to be His ambassador. I think one must be very careful not to give the whole of Christianity a bad name, by spewing out such worthless drivel that just makes the entire secular world say, I don't want to be a Christian if they are like Michael Bell.
I will be praying for you, brother. It is my hope you learn to watch what you say, because as you have seen, this interweb thing has a funny way of letting people use your own words against you... If you say something right, it's permanent, but if you say something wrong, it's permanent too. The best thing for you to do to salvage your reputation, IMHO, would be to admit that you didn't know the difference between a real accreditation and what you actually received... Only then are these "vultures" going to stop circling.
Peace
I did not say that about cancer if it is inherited then it is from decisions that ancestors made.
Man has brought all the pesticides and chemicals and other cancer causing agents into the world not God.
God didn't send aids man brought it on themselves.
My mom died of brain cancer my
grandfather of lung cancer and father in law of lung cancer also.
Cancer hits close to home for me I don't blame God for their deaths.
Disease was not supposed to be created , but because of one mans sin it is here , that is until the new Heaven and New Earth where we will have disease free bodies and be in pain no more.
I don't cut and paste anymore either!
I know I come off as harsh and hateful and I don't mean to but there are too many "men of God" out there who only teach love while leaving the people in their sins, tell me is that the way you are supposed to do it?
monkey
Yes,but spit it out.
Maybe your looking at it wrong.
Do you even read what he writes? I mean cuts and pastes.
MONKEY
WHAT HATRED ARE YOU CONCERNED ABOUT.
jesse,
Not sure if i am understanding you, by God's might and I doing his Will by stopping the hatred that Michael keeps addressing to unsuspecting people that come upon this.
monkey
Just a little disappointed.
When we asked for forgiveness, and continue to visit our old haunts,and our old habits we are making light of what Jesus did for us.
Personally I'AM AS GUILTY AS ANY ONE.
I don't want to see a lot of you making the same mistakes I have.
Beliveing in man's facts, and not the facts that come from the Bible.
"I could burn every paper that I have and I would still preach the way I do."
But, isn't that how you do it now? Cut and Paste.
"I don't need you or anybody else telling me how or what I should preach for the Holy Spirit tells me that."
You're right but it is God's Will for me to stop you. He spoke to me through a dream and I must do as his Spirit guides me.
"You accuse me of defaming the gospel its ones like you who drag it down to levels lower than people can see."
Because you do defame, you seem to find all the easy ways of proving your credentials, But being a minister of God is hardwork. I just don't see how it is very hard for you. So as God's Will has demanded, I am doing is bidding to fight the minions of Satan that you have sent forth to decieve the masses.
"You need to study about the Jesus in the Book of Revelation for he is coming back and very soon."
Studying it? Hell I am living it, I am now fighting you, the Shelbyville Anti-Christ and puppetbros the Harlot, hmmm, he might even be the Beast... not sure yet.. Might have to do a gender check later on.
by the way, by "back genes" what I meant to post was "bad genes."
Michael, when I met you in person, I thought you came off as a nice guy - so I normally do not comment when your posts offend me, however by saying, "If you get diseases like cancer, diabetes or aids or others it wasn't God's will if you abused your body." I can't keep quiet. I am a cancer survivor and I can honestly say that it wasn't God's will that gave me cancer, but rather back genes. By saying that people who get cancer is because of God's will is a complete insult to all of us who have had it and survived.
Hey Evil I seen your post on blogfarts.com
Nice picture of me.
I could burn every paper that I have and I would still preach the way I do.
Those papers were part of the course.
For your info I have studied with several Pastors and a Rabbi some one on one and some through correspondence.
I don't need you or anybody else telling me how or what I should preach for the Holy Spirit tells me that.
You accuse me of defaming the gospel its ones like you who drag it down to levels lower than people can see.
People may not come to our church for me or for how we preach but we preach God's word and that is all that matters.
You need to study about the Jesus in the Book of Revelation for he is coming back and very soon.
Well that is what I did, in my own way. BTW I never grouped you into their class. I just said I don't want to be Christian if that is what is classified as a Christian. I cannot believe in Jesus rising from the dead, or God if that is what they believe in.
But the problem is, I get called out for calling him out is not fair. But life isn't fair, right? Good that means I can do it unfairly then. Not like it is a sin eh?
monkey
Not offended.
We are all liares some where down the road.
If he states something, I think would send him to hell, or lead someone else that way, then yes, I would get him off to the side and tell him so.
Jesse,
Sorry but if you feel offended then why defend what is being said by him and Michael? Am I not allowed to voice my concerns? You state we are Pharisees when I have proven they are the Pharisees. Where have I lied? I have shown several places where there has been lies, deceit, manipulation, and gluttony.
But Michael is allowed to speak out again CERTAIN forms of sin, but won't even mention the sin he has performed on these blogs on a DAILY basis. He never asks for forgiveness, never says sorry and he continually LIES, talks down to people and shows his true form as the local Anti-Christ. Did I, post a blog to show people that I had credentials? Did I call him out in a public setting? No, he did. But, now that several people have proven his falsehoods by his own pen, It's me that is the bad guy? I never said I wasn't. Look at my name, I am evil. This is what people expect of me! But one thing people cannot say about me is, I am not a liar.
monkey
Thanks you for putting me in the family with Parker because he is a christian and then we are brothers.( I had hoped you were also )
You had better look around and see who your kinfolks are! Sounds like a flock of vultures to me.
You need to get off your vendetta.
It's below the young man I talked with.
None of us on this blog can qualify for a HALAKIST including you, and your friends.
If Michael needs correcting God will correct him, and a lot better than you or I ever could.
The problem I have is how someone can sit there and lie over and over and then keep saying he is doing the Will of God? And you sitting there lying for him on top of it? It doesn't make one bit of logical sense.
Now more than ever am I glad my daughter stopped attending the same church.She was just a teenager, and treated very ugly after a break up with a boy there. It tested her faith that people in a church would treat her ugly because of this. Now I understand where it came from. Small minded people who put themselves before others. By far am I perfect, many a mistake have i made and will probably continue but the one thing that is an absolute is God loves us all. So I know I should be polite and more forgiving. I also know that Christ died on a cross to forgive us of every sin, who am I to not forgive someone? But my human sinful self still struggles.
Evil Monkey,
You are entitled to your opinion on the Bible. I actually respect you for having an opinion as strong as you do now. I have always said stand up strong for what you believe in. As I have said before I wished you could see things differently but you do not have to. No one is in charge of your life and beliefs but you and that is the way it should be if you want it.
Hope you are feeling better.
puppetbros,
No, according to the Bible, Jesus is the Word, HIS word is NOT the Bible. He is not getting the same reaction, he is getting a reaction because he is a Liar, Fraud and a Hypocrite.
Michael,
Jesus cautioned us all on how we would be treated about His Word.
His Word did not come to bring peace.
For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword.
You are getting the same reaction that spreaders of the word got 2000 years ago. I believe you have a few also that want to stand up and rip their clothes when you put the Word out to them.
Use this to know if your Word is indeed correct. If it does not react as a sword you are not preaching the Word (sword). Keep cutting.
One thing for sure Michael, no one on this blog will escape judgement will they?
This blog sounds more like the times when Jesus was talking with the Pharisees and Sadduecees. They wanted him dead, because they figured he was usurpimg their authority over the people.
Jesus was no pansy. Ask the money changers.
Yes, He was love that is why he went to the cross for all of us. He told us like it is, not like we want it to be.
The biggest cross we all carry is ourselves. When we justiy the lies we tell ourselves about our actions is when we get into trouble.
Bottom line, we may be told where we are going wrong, but its up to us which father we listen to. Jehovah or Lucifer.
The White Throne Judgement is coming one thing that none of us will miss.
AMEN Evil Monkey. That says it all.
Michael has about 15 minutes invested in his "ordainment", he doesn't study, he copies and pastes from other websites. If you notice in his blogs, each "fragmented sentence/paragraph" contains one passage from a site that has nothing to do with any other part of Michael's "thought-pattern".
Now, he stated several times he was ordained, he had credentials, studied with Rabbis, saw visions of grandeur, and heard voices. I really do not know where he gets his ideas, He states God's Will. I oppose that thought, I think he is after his Own Will. He reads other sites and gets wacko ideas about his own selfish needs to be a television evangelist and wants the money and fame that comes with it.
He stated in a previous blogs he had credentials, he denies that now. Yet, in this Blog there is a letter: http://www.t-g.com/blogs/michaelbell/ent....
This goes to show, he has been studying all his life? Seems to be some holes in the story, that paper? Can get it in less than 5 minutes. So what is the truth? Who is this man? How it stands now is that Michael Bell bears false witness and puppetbros is his harlot.
I may be wrong, but I don't see God approving of that.
Even if I weren't Christian I would not want a lot of this stuff around.
When I am judged and I will be if I am judged to hell then so be it for one day in his court is better than a thousand elsewhere.
Get it through your heads it is not the sinners but the sins I want to see gone.
-- Posted by michaelbell on Sat, Jun 7, 2008, at 4:56 PM
This is absolutely laughable and it proves exactly why your message does not sink in. Because OPINIONS of what YOU think God says is ok and what isn't is really none of your business. And you will NEVER see the day on earth, where sins are gone, because after all you live here too... SO GET IT THRU YOUR HEAD.
2 COR 3:6
Who also hath made us able ministers of the New Testament;not of the letter,but of the spirit;for the letter killeth,but the spirit giveth life.
"the letter being, the law of Moses,which carried the penalty of death.
"the spirit being, the Spirit of Jesus,which giveth life"
I am sorry to burst your bubble but the Old testament was around then and that is what he will judge by, the Word of God the word being the first 5 books of the Bible.
-- Posted by michaelbell on Sat, Jun 7, 2008, at 7:41 PM
Excuse me? Did the ways and laws of the Old Testament not die with Jesus on the cross?
I think you need to go back and take your online course again Michael and then think carefully before you type.
BTW have you ever heard about the sin of being a stumbling block for your neighbor? You sir are walking right on the edge of that line with your blogs. I fear that you drive many people away from the good news with most of your blogs and don't give me that "I won't love people to hell" crap.
Can you not write at least one uplifting blog concerning your beliefs or is it all hellfire & brimstone?
OMG, that is so ironic.. the similarity of those two! LMAO!
nascarfanatic,
You ever watch southpark? Check this out www.blogfarts.com/evilmonkey
BUT BUT... Educated scholars err, but wait uneducated well, crap Hypocrites deemed the books uninspired....
It's important to remember that "the Bible" was not written originally as a whole. These 27 books were written by different men (or women?) at different places at different times. Nowhere in the New Testament is it commanded that a Bible be put together. Nowhere is an exact number or time frame for Holy Scripture given. I do not buy that the Bible is "absolute truth" anymore, though I did believe that for 30 years. I can list a few reasons I lost my faith:
1. Passages that Conflict and cannot be harmonized
such as Luke 23:46 and John 19:30 where Jesus' last words are completely different; Luke 22:18,John 19:29,Mark 15:23 where Jesus says he will not drink of the vine again, then has vinegar on the cross; Mark 15:40,41 says Jesus' posse was watching from a distance, yet John 19:25 says they were near or at the cross; Mark 15:32 says both thieves mocked Jesus on the cross, but Luke says only one thief did; John 20:24has Mary Magdalene running to tell Peter Jesus' body is missing and two disciples run to the tomb as fast as they can, but Mark 16:11 says they did not believe her story; Acts 9:26 which says Paul went to Jerusalem after he left Damascus, while in Galatians 1:17 Paul says he did NOT go to Jerusalem;
2. Passages that were accepted as "absolute truth" we now know were later additions to the text.
This would include Mark 16:9-20 and John 7:53-8:11 If the Bible is absolutely true, why hasn't it always been absolutely true?
3. Common Sense.
If the original books were absolute truth, why would God allow his books to be copied incorrectly? There are over 50,000 differences between our ancient copies of the New Testament books. No one has ever seen an original of any book in the NT, so no one really knows if they were perfect or not.
4. The selection process for putting together the New Testament.
The men in charge of choosing what books to put in the NT had preset notions of what the books considered God's Word should say, and these men stood to gain power, influence and income by bringing as many Christians as possible under their umbrella of orthodoxy. They declared all other gospels and all other letters that did not agree with their point of view heretical. So of course there is amazing agreement among the books in the New Testament, because all the books that did not agree with their positions were kept out! Interestingly, two books that were apparently in the NT to begin with were taken out later: the Shepherd of Hermas and the Letter of Barnabas.
Michael,
You say the word of God is the first five books of the Old Testament? It is true, they are part of the word of God, but, the great apostle John tells us that the Word became flesh and dwelt among us. Jesus Christ is the Word of God.
Amen Unique I missed you input.
Christ said the law would not be changed.
All the fine points won't be judged , those who push the law will be judged by it.
My plea is the blood !
so we will be judged by the old testament?
If it is God's Will....! That is the biggest cop-out phrase christians use today to exclaim what will be will be.
Jesus used it once before he went to his death for all of us. Jesus didn't want to die that horrible death, but left it up to His Father to make the final decision. Jesus knew in advance that He had to die for everyone. That was His whole purpose for coming down here.
God's will is that we all live a christian life full of love and compassion for each other and be healthy with no afflictions from satan. If we have any afflictions we are to ask God to heal us in Jesus' name and be healed. Anything we ask for in Jesus's name His father will do it for us if we believe He will.
To say "if it is God's will that I should die of cancer, or this or that, is Bull#?/%. If you can't ask God for something in Jesus's name and believe it, then don't blame it on God, saying it wasn't His will.
It is all explained in the Bible... all you have to do is read it.
That is God's Will... Read the Bible, His Word, then apply it.
I am sorry to burst your bubble but the Old testament was around then and that is what he will judge by, the Word of God the word being the first 5 books of the Bible.
He is coming to judge and judge by the bible he will. Um no he won't because the Bible wasn't written then.
If you don't point out a lifestyle as sin then are you willing to let the person die in it?
I have not once called out a certain homosexual or a girl who has had a abortion I have called out the acts of homosexuality and abortion as wrong.
I don't stone either one just tell them that they need forgiveness and to turn away from sin.
I am not pointing out anyones faults just the sinful nature that controls them.
Yes I did say and do believe that Joel Osteen is misleading because he teaches no salvation no judgment no blood and no cross the whole basis for the faith.
Have you not read of the Christ in Revelation, he is coming to judge and judge by the bible he will, we all fall short but by accepting his Son and what his Son did he does not see our sins.
But I have to question about people who say they believe and are Christian's who still drink to excess and do drugs and illicit sex and who stay in the homosexual lifestyle.
I may be wrong, but I don't see God approving of that.
Even if I weren't Christian I would not want a lot of this stuff around.
When I am judged and I will be if I am judged to hell then so be it for one day in his court is better than a thousand elsewhere.
Get it through your heads it is not the sinners but the sins I want to see gone.
Michael Bell: In your other blog you talked about putting on the whole armor of God. Paul was speaking from prison and talking to his friends about praying for him in his trials while he also would try to stay strong in the Lord. While in this state he continued to talk about Love, prayer and more prayer. Nowhere does he say to provoke the masses or judge those who sin. "As slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart. With GOOD will, render service as to the Lord and not to men, knowing that whatever good thing each one does, this he will receive back from the Lord whether slave or free. And masters do the same things to them and give up threatening, knowing that both their Master and yours is in heavine and there is NO partiality with Him." EPHESIANS 6:6-9
It is great to quote scripture, but make sure it is within context and applies to what you are talking about. God is Love. God is all about Love, not hate, not judgment, not about any of that. I also read where you made a very negative statement about Joel Olsteen. If you claim to be a pastor, how can you put down a "brother in Christ" and especially one who preaches such a postive gospel. I feel sorry for you, you seem to be a hateful, unhappy man who is using the bible as a whip and making people feel unworthy of God. None of us are worthy, but God sees us as His own, free of sin and and greatly loved by Him. He LOVES us, whether you can or not. God does. It is not up to you to point out everyones faults and foibles. God will take care of it. Your job is to be a worthy disciple of His and live as a good father, husband, friend and man. You are not to tell others how to live. Nowhere in the bible does God hand out that particular job to anyone on this earth. Start thinking about how to love your brothers and sisters whether saved or unsaved and stop this hateful rhetoric.
Do you understand you make absolutely no sense? You say one thing, then 2 weeks later you refute that. Please make up your mind.
Man brought that on himself Man always messes up But God provides a way but man has to accept it.
Like predestination.
I could buy you the gas, tickets, food and spending money to go to a sporting event I predestined you to go, whether you go or not is up to you.
Like Heaven God has predestined us all to go , whether you do or not is up to you.
God gave man freewill to do as he pleases , to please God you must accept his Son and his grace.
God turned the choices over to man for he knew what man would do.
But God always intervenes and provides a way.
You don't have to do his will if you don't want to.
God's still has a controlling interest in mankind.
Question , do you choose God or does God choose you?
God chose me , but I could of have ignored him , I did for almost 30 years of my life.
"God's will ended when man sinned! Until Jesus Christ that is!"
Ok, so the flood wasn't God will, Moses wasn't God will, Joseph wasn't God' will. Really?? So you are saying WE Are own God. Thank you for proving my point.