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The Word Of God !Posted Tuesday, June 10, 2008, at 4:49 PM
Seems like we have come full circle on these blogs.
Whether the Bible is the authorized Word of God. "To me it is" To The Jews the Word of God is the first 5 books, which by the way takes 3.5 years to read in the synagogue's and how long did Christ teach? What is 3.5 years. When God came to this earth in the man form of Jesus, he had to fulfill the Torah which he did . You have to understand the types and foreshadows in the Tabernacle, the furniture, the feast and festivals of the Jewish people to understand how Jesus did it. He did not come to end the law but to fulfill it , which he did every t crossed and every I dotted. The words of the prophets , some things have happened and some things are yet to happen. To me and countless of millions Jesus is God so why or how could he even let his Word be wrong and expect people to receive salvation. What it boils down to is if I live my life by the Word of God and there is nothing to it then I have lost nothing. If I don't live my life by the Word of God and it is true then I will have lost everything. To think that the Old Covenant is useless to read is a bad mistake for it will come full circle. No all the so called books were not included in the Bible, either for the dates they were written or for various reasons. If you really want to be nit picky about it. Our versions of the Bible is not even in the correct order as far as the Old Testament goes. Martin Luther hated the book of James but did not have the nerve to take it out. There is a gospel according that was supposed to be written by Peter, it states that once you have accepted Jesus as the Messiah then if you were married you were supposed to quit having sex which goes totally against what Paul and the other writers wrote. The Gospel of Thomas might have been accepted if not for the infancy Gospel of Thomas which is totally Gnostic. John 21:25-And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one,I suppose that even the worlds itself could not contain the books that should be written. Maybe when the first readers seen this they to liberties I don't know. According to the Rabbi's you have the bible then you have Jewish traditions and Jewish legends. To me if the only manuscript that they ever found contained John3:16 That would be enough for me. To all that question the Bible we have , if you can't believe it , how can you believe all the rest? When Pilate ask Jesus "what is truth ?" Jesus says " I am the truth and the way and no one comes to the Father except by me" That says it all for me. We will all be judged for putting our own spin on the Word of God and we should be. My Sunday School teacher's favorite two words is But God, if he does not mind I will use them here. But God provides a sacrifice for ALL OF THE WORLD. It covers all the sins and with acceptance of Jesus Christ you get a pass to Heaven. The Bible is all I need , all the study books and extra books I read , just back it up and the Bible backs them up. Comments Showing comments in chronological order [Show most recent comments first] |
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So, in real english, not slapped together piece-mealed cut and paste crap, are you trying to say? Are you saying the Bible is not the Word of God or what?
Remember, since I am a big opponent of what you define as the Word of God, in YOUR Bible does it say the Bible is the Word of God?
"It covers all the sins and with acceptance of Jesus Christ you get a pass to Heaven."
If you ask for forgiveness, which you have not, I have not gotten an apology for you lying and deceiving me. It says ask forgiveness, and you sinned against me for calling me out.
"The Bible is all I need , all the study books and extra books I read , just back it up and the Bible backs them up. "
But if you cannot follow the simple declaration of being saved, then this really isn't all you need. You seem to be missing a few things. You have to remind yourself, You do not get a FREE pass to Heaven. You cannot live your life by the Word of God if you don't even know what it is.
There was no cutting and pasting here.
The Bible was written by men who were inspired by God.
The Holy Spirit was in the writers to guide them.
I did not lie to you either , it was not the truth you wanted.
Those papers mean nothing to be.
They seem to get a rise out of you though.
What do you consider a ordained man of God is?
What exactly do you believe?
Does grace give you a free pass to do whatever?
I have laid out what I believe out here for whoever to read and agree or criticize or to scoff at or whatever, I am not ashamed in what I believe.
Take all the time you need to and post what you believe so I can know the field you playing on.
There was no cutting and pasting here.
The Bible was written by men who were inspired by God.
The Holy Spirit was in the writers to guide them.
I did not lie to you either , it was not the truth you wanted.
Those papers mean nothing to be.
They seem to get a rise out of you though.
What do you consider a ordained man of God is?
What exactly do you believe?
Does grace give you a free pass to do whatever?
I have laid out what I believe out here for whoever to read and agree or criticize or to scoff at or whatever, I am not ashamed in what I believe.
Take all the time you need to and post what you believe so I can know the field you are playing on.
I been pretty blunt to the field I am playing on, but you really didn't answer the question. What is the Word of God?
To me Jesus is, and the Bible is documentation of it.
When God came to this earth in the man form of Jesus, he had to fulfill the Torah which he did .
You have to understand the types and foreshadows in the Tabernacle, the furniture, the feast and festivals of the Jewish people to understand how Jesus did it.
Posted by michaelbell June 10, 2008, at 4:49 PM
Michael,
Where did you study and learn about the types and foreshadows of the tabernacle and furniture?
Doctor Gene Scott used to present these in a detailed format a lot of nights during the week. They were very informative and did indeed help you understand much more about Christ and his purpose and passion. However, I never found any printed resources that had the information available like Mr. Scott presented it to have for a reference source. Do you have any or know where they can be purchased. I had someone ask me about them the other day and I have none.
Dr. Eugene Scott? Are you kidding that stoned guy on late nite UHF in the late 70's early 80's? Are you a stoner and he makes you feel more comfortable when talking about God? Just kidding. I liked him also. But wait...Oh Yeah, I was likely stoned then myself.
Michael, If you have an intrest in discusssing the bible, different religions or religious cultures, I would enjoy the conversation, but I wont waste my time with immature ranting, or angry preaching.
I am a lifelong athiest, but have studied religion to a considerable extent. You mentioned Jewish traditions and the post is about the word of God. I would like to ask you directly and to the point: How do you think tradition has affected Christianity? Do you think tradition has replaced some of the original context and meanings of scripture? And also: If you consider the Bible to be the "authorized word of God" (by the way I think you may mean inerrancy or infalliblity depending on the extent you believe it is)how can you rectify some issues with it? I wont go into any.
It seems as though you have done research and have an idea what you want to say, but your typing is awful. Please try to slow down for me, so I can understand.
I study with Perry Stone who is considered one of the foremost scholars on Jewish history and traditions.
He has a show on the Insp. network called Manna-Fest which is on channel 18 on Charter cable , plus I get correspondence from him.
There are some books in the library in the religion section.
I have some books by Paul Jong called the Tabernacle Teachings which goes into detail for those interested in copies I have several extras , just let me know.
Tradition has affected Christianity quiet a bit.
With the way that we celebrate Christmas and Passover[ Easter].
Several other ways to including tithes and the order of the church.
As far as issues with the Bible I believe it is issues with mans interpretations.
Feel free to ask questions and I will ask to the best of my ability at least you act civilized.
"With the way that we celebrate Christmas and Passover[ Easter]."
And who invented Christmas? C'mon, you can tell me...
So to continue our conversation, so you state Jesus, The Bible, God and the Holy Spirit all one of the same, and each of us have a piece of the Bible, Jesus, God and the Holy Spirit with in them. Because I don't know how Jesus and the Bible can be 1 thing, when Jesus is living and DAMN this is so weird. I just don't get this.
You might find this an interesting history of the books in the Bible.
http://users.stargate.net/~elcore/truth3...
Seems if there were at some point several hundred supposed "books" of the Bible they had already been narrowed considerably by the time of Constantine.
Dr. Eugene Scott? Are you kidding that stoned guy on late nite UHF in the late 70's early 80's? Are you a stoner and he makes you feel more comfortable when talking about God? Just kidding. I liked him also. But wait...Oh Yeah, I was likely stoned then myself.
Posted by memyselfi on Tue, Jun 10, 2008, at 8:11 PM
Yes memyselfi, that is the same Doctor Scott and no I am not a stoner. He is also the same guy on TV and satellite in the 1990's and 2000's up to his death a couple of years ago.
One of the things I liked about him was his message stayed the same for those 4 decades and you got to see the transforming and sanctifying work of God in a real life down to earth man. I enjoyed seeing his early sermons and watch 4 decades of real change in a man.
If the last time you saw him was in the 80's you missed a lot. He spent the last 5 years of his life in the first three chapters of Romans (primarily chapter 3 verses 20-28). He like Martin Luther believed if you could comprehend those 8 verses you would understand the entire Book of Romans and if you understood the Book of Romans you understood the entire Bible and plan of salvation.
The question of Christology is one that cannot be answered through scripture alone to my understanding. You would have to choose a passage you liked, and have faith it was an accurate representation.
Even from the earliest times there have been questions about exactly what Jesus was. Was He of the same material or something different? That is a big reason so many books did not make the final cut. They contained wording and interpretations that were un-orthodox and in so became heretical. Still what books we do have in our canon do not provide any clear united answer.
The time of Christmas has been celebrated many years before Christianity, but the closest we can tell, what we celebrate as Christmas was from the era of Constantine. It was a celebration of Sol the sun god. It would likely be a mistake to assume that Constantine (or many of the earliest Christians) did not have other gods.
Michael: Specificly: Do current sociatal norms contrasted to the norms of Jesus' time provide a somewhat inaccurate view of the meaning of scripture in your opinion.
parkerbrothers: While I am supprised he lived into the 2000's, I really did like his work also all joking aside. He was a very down to earth gentle speaker. I watched him many many times, but still think he was a stoner, at that time anyway. I never believed that was tobacco in that pipe. I do hate that I missed the evolution in his messages. We all change as we get older and the years mature and mellow us and I have no doubt at all that I missed a lot of insightful thoughts.
memyselfi,
I noticed you said you liked his work but I also noticed you said your were a lifelong atheist so I have to conclude you did not believe the work you liked of his?
Do you not believe in a God at all?
parkerbrothers,
While I am an athiest, I have always had a desire to find a reason for existing. Religion is not the only place I have looked, but it is one of them. No, I do not believe in any god at all, but that is not a choice for me, it is more just who I honestly am at a basic level.
As far as enjoying his work, What I liked about him was the way he put the scripture into perspective and the no non-sense approach he used to explain his interpretaion. I am sure he communicated with a lot of people that many ordinary media preachers would have appeared to be talking down to.
We are all at different levels of spiritual/religious education and some people appear to think they only need to teach certain people. Scott was refreshing and although, to be honest, some of his reasoning was not really dead on solid, he made his way through it.
Whatever exist now existed back then in some form or fashion.
To me The Word in written form is just as prevalent for todays culture as it was seen and felt back then.
You say you are an atheist , there is a book called God don't believe in atheist , you ought to read it.
Does not the prophecy that has been seen in our lifetime change your mind like Israel becoming a nation and her children coming home?
memyselfi,
I understand what you are saying and can relate to it. Especially the "desire to find a reason for existing." I think everyone experiences this through their life.
I feel God Himself has a character that He chooses for some reason to allow part of it to remain a mystery. I have always questioned why He chooses to remain unseen and has not allowed man to see his Creator in pure raw form.
I am however thankful that He displayed Himself in the form of man through the second part of the trinity known as his Son Jesus which I can relate to and somewhat understand and see the resemblence of God in.
I am also glad He further sent the third part of the trinity known as the Holy Spirit which is the easiest to relate to. I believe He is the part that pricks at our heart, souls and minds and generates those "desires to find a reason for existing."
As I said earlier I can very well relate to you. I always wanted though to start at the top and know everything about God even though He chose to remain unseen. It was not until I reversed the search and started from the bottom and got to know the Holy Spirit and listened to Him draw me to Jesus that I could come to understand and believe in God Himself.
I became convinced through the draw of the Holy Spirit to study the probibility of a man named Jesus existing in human form as a man and also being the Son of God. The more I studied I did become convinced that there was definitely a man named Jesus that did walk this earth in the form of man. Once I knew he existed in man form I was left with only two reasonable conclusions. He was either the lunatic of all lunitics or He truly was the Son of God as he proclaimed. As I studied the life of the men that were actively engaged with Him and seen their lives before His death and their lives after His supposed ressurrection I knew that He had risen and emerged from the tomb and He was indeed the sent Son of God.
When you carefully look at their lives both pre and post resurrection you will discover that a cataclysmic change occurred in them that they gave their lives for afterwards. The miracles they witnessed before his death would not change them. It was the ressurrection and assention that changed them through the sending of the Holy Spirit as the Comforter.
If you want to ever quit your studying to find out the reason for existing and have a reason for existing start at the bottom and work your way back up.
I have quit wanting to see God. I am afraid I would not be able to stand seeing Him Face to Face. I have decided to allow Jesus to stand in front of me as my mediator and let God have to look through Him to hear me give an account of my life while Satan stands accussing me. I sometimes wonder if it is the ones who so desperatebly wanted to see God that they stumbled over the top of Jesus without recognizing Him that will get their opportunity to stand face to face with God and give their account of their life and they will not be able to withstand seeing Him as the pure of all pure. That would be Hell.
Again, I say I can honestly say I can relate to you. I have been there. I am glad today that I can say that it is not just Me,Myself,andI but I have become Himandme.
The word of God that I know says that we must do unto others as we would have them do unto us.
I wish people would follow that philosophy a whole lot more.
jaxspike, I agree totally!!! Bashing one another, is not my way of doing unto others like we want them to do unto us. I know I don't want someone bashing me like I see here.
Amen.....That is the way I have always thought.....
We're supposed to help improve one another.
Unfortunately,our ideas of what would increase their worth may not agree with their Maker's intent.
Speaking of furniture,I remember reading a woman's account of how she made a table.
She selected the wood,cut it carefully,sanded and joined and spent days handrubbing a flawless finish.
When it was done,her young son asked if he could take the table to school with him for his apartment.
She was thrilled at the interest he showed in her masterpiece until he said:
"Yeah,I figured if I cut down the legs and paint it green,it'll be perfect for putting in front of the sofa."
Maybe some of us aren't meant to be coffee tables.
Maybe we don't need to be slapped with chains or blistered with heat or acid or otherwise "distressed.'
Maybe the architect who drew our blueprints meant for us to have tons of embellishment and wear a dozen different colors of paint.
Perhaps,we shouldn't be stripped down to plain,white boxes.
Before we perform any "makeovers",we might do well to consult the Carpenter about His intentions for the work we want to change.
Some people want to alter and some people want to destroy what a Creator wants to restore to its original grandeur and purpose.
The word of God to me means...Love one another...Care for one another...Treat everyone with the kindness and care that you would want evryone else to give to you..Give from your heart....I do not have to read anything to know that and do that...Do not judge people because they believe in different things and do different things than you do....Do not walk around like you are God just because other people do things different...Because you are not God...
Says in the bible the Word of God is Jesus, NOT the Bible. He seems to worship everything but Jesus, he points out flaws in everyone but himself. He lies, he places himself over other people (kinda funny), he never has answers, he is a soapbox junkie. I will have to say, he does have some comedic relief though.
If it weren't from some of his feeds from the TG I wouldn't have met some great people. When God willed me to see his heresy on Google, he led me to respond this him and place him accountable to answer. He has ignored all attempts.
Hey Guys;
Whether you be Atheist, Christian, Jewish, no matter what faith, I hope the ACLU doesn't see this Blog. We'll all being decorating the inside of our back closets for ANY spiritual
event.
"We'll all being decorating the inside of our back closets for ANY spiritual event."
I don't get it.
devan,
Thanks for the link and dammit man, I was up to like 5am reading this. Very interesting, I see flaws like in timeline but it was pretty good. Here is the thing, lets just say Constantine wasn't in the picture, Romans were... They were religious and political and they intermeshed each other.
The Bible had to be changed to suit the political environment at the time. No matter what, all the way up to the recent centuries, Roman Catholics have been deeply involved in the government and its religions. So no matter what, there are motives to change the Bible.
The ACLU was not dreamed up by the antichrists.
(I'd assume that People for the American Way wasn't either.)
We need to support organizations in their efforts to do the right thing and keep them from being unfairly accused of wrongdoing or from being exploited by fools and villains who would use them as tools for their own agenda.
The best way to keep groups from being co-opted by the bad guys or fading from existence is to get involved with them ourselves and stay active and informed.
Before we go bad-mouthing folks,we need to ask if we're doing a better job at serving the cause of good than they are.
http://www.t-g.com/story/1435689.html
Interesting... One "Christian" lies on multiple occasions this week and never admits to it, while the other "Christian" runs over someone, then proceeds to assault them, yet even if we don't know both sides of the story, there must be some justification for a thing Jesus would NEVER DO! (We'll never hear a sorry from someone who's ego is taller than Mt. Kilimanjaro, yet whose personality is as low as the Dead Sea)
This is simply God showing through in more ways than one. Michael, why don't you write a blog about this? I suppose the homosexuals who aren't harming ANYONE are much easier targets than people like Marvin who physically assault fellow human beings...
I can see the real "Christian" spirit at work here. Someone falls into trouble and then you pile on. Have you prayed for Marvin and his brother. That might do more good for all of you than retribution. I can see the cheek being turned here but its not a cheek on the face.
Hmm... I haven't seen anything of the sort from Michael or Marvin, and I don't gloat about my Christianity. In fact, I don't consider myself one, therefore I am not being a hypocrite.
See the blog titled "Darrick" thanks. I responded to your generic post.
"Have you prayed for Marvin and his brother." Oh, are they injured and in the hospital needing plastic surgery, while their wife and kids worry about their husband and daddy?
If this is what being a "Christian" is?
nascar,
I really need to talk to you, I am serious. I have a great idea and I need a few people to be a part of it.
What prevents us for praying for both the injured person (and his family) and for the Parker Brothers. For one physical healing and for the other spiritual healing.
Its called the "Golden Rule". Try it in a few other manifestations if you don't like the Christian version.
The Golden Rule was a common principle in ancient Greek philosophy. A few examples:
"Do not to your neighbor what you would take ill from him." (Pittacus)
"Avoid doing what you would blame others for doing." (Thales)
"What you wish your neighbors to be to you, such be also to them." (Sextus the Pythagorean)
"Do not do to others what would anger you if done to you by others." (Isocrates)
"What thou avoidest suffering thyself seek not to impose on others." (Epictetus)
Confucius said in The Analects:
Never impose on others what you would not choose for yourself. Analects XV.24
Hinduism: The Golden rule appears in the Mahabharata, where Vrihaspati says:
That man who regards all creatures as his own self, and behaves towards them as towards his own self, laying aside the rod of chastisement and completely subjugating his wrath, succeeds in attaining to happiness.
In his Last Sermon, the Prophet Muhammad admonished believers:
"Hurt no one so that no one may hurt you."
The Dalai Lama has stated:
If you want others to be happy, practice compassion. If you want to be happy, practice compassion.
Funny though, how all of this comes full circle. He publicly laments at fellow bloggers for having a differing opinion than he, yet somehow, someway we are supposed to take a step back and pray for the same person who intentionally hit a person with his car, then proceeded in an altercation (regardless of the fault)... I don't think so. Do NOT tell others how YOU think God wants them to live then go outside the blogosphere and publicly contradict that Christian attitude.
By the way the Golden Rule applies to nearly EVERY religion... And apparently, parkerbrothers forgot that Christianity was one of them.
yet somehow, someway we are supposed to take a step back and pray for the same person who intentionally hit a person with his car, then proceeded in an altercation (regardless of the fault)... I don't think so.
-- Posted by jesuslovesevery1 on Wed, Jun 11, 2008, at 10:35 PM
WWJD jesuslovesevery1
I certainly don't think it would involve running over a fellow pedestrian while traveling via donkey... And then jump out and physically attack them, Devan.
Somehow you harp on the words and rhetoric here, yet a man could have DIED Saturday (and is in the hospital now) yet you seem to jump right over the fact, and defend someone for their INTENTIONAL action ... When do you wake up from your isolated fiction?
devan is trying to say, pray for his soul and his mental state, I don't think he is trying to say parkerbros is right or wrong.
Thanks EM. I am in no way defending parkerbros but we have been told many times on these blogs that we have no right to judge and condemn. So, jesuslovesevery1, I know what Jesus wouldn't do. That wasn't my question - the way I learned it is What Would Jesus Do?
BTW EM, you are welcome for the link, glad you enjoyed it. I don' see us agreeing about much on this subject except that an open exchange of ideas is the real point of these discussions.
I do not go to church as I should. That is not something I am proud of, however, I try my best to live right and help those that I can. It just hurts me to see all of the trashing that is going on in this blog. How can we criticize others, and claim we are better than they are. That in my opinion makes us worse.
bratgirl,
Personally, I think 98% of the churches are the problem. They over emphasize how much they are needed to teach people, when in fact alot of them have turned people away because of differing views. If you have a belief, your best bet is to believe what you want and tell the church to kiss my grits. It's all a guilt trip, just look at the boob that starts these blogs. He says one thing and when someone doesn't like it, he edits his blog and says he never said that.
Grrrrr...
(attempts a deep,leansing breath)
O.k.
Is anyone interested in joining together to wish comfort,wisdom and healing upon EVERYone who could use it?
Some here may not think that would accomplish much but it would achieve a LOT more than ill-will.
(Use what your heart speaks but try to generate loving thought as best you can.)
Regardless of the back and forth arguments I have had with PB, or anyone else; I do not wish bad things on no one. We all do things we should not do, with out thinking of the consequences. I have not heard PB's story, only God know's what came over him, and he will have to ask God, and these 2 young men to forgive him. There are some people that can control their temper/anger better than others, but we all have a weak spot. What parkerbrothers done was wrong, and it is something he will have to answer to; But I will be praying for him, Chad and all involved as well. Anger is a "HORRIBLE THING".
parkerbrothers
I will not hold the incident against you.I know that at any moment. I could be provoked or become offended to the point of anger and lose my temper,wheather the threat was real or perceived It to be real.I will pray for you.
Parker
Sand Flea's prayers I beieve are legit. I don't think they will bounce off the walls like most on this blog's would do.
Keep the faith,and put your armor on.
sand-flea,
Sorry, nothing could provoke me to anger to the point of almost killing a man.
Maybe he was HOT WHEELING It, "Showing OFF" "Or taking his frustrations out behind the wheel, but not intentionally wanting to hit someone. They did say the area was a danger spot for people to be standing at. If so, do they not have security people to keep people out of where they should not be?
Have you read the forums at the raceway? Someone said something to him, gave him the bird, threw a beer can at him. He got mad and was doing donuts in an area and he hit the man. After that him and his brother got out and beat the man. The owner of the track walked up to the brothers after the incident and they beat him up too.
Yes, but after reading the forums over there, the security is pretty lacking or scared. No idea. But there is no excuse.
Evil Monkey,
If only you would trust the Bible like you seemingly do a newspaper you would be a new man. The Bible is not in the business to sells more ads through stories written to induce readers. Newspaper reporters earn a living by getting a good "story". They are not seekers of the "truth", only of a good "story". An investigators' job is to seek the "truth".
EM,it amazes me how you can put belief in an article written by someone who is paid to get a good "story".
It puzzles me why you can put no faith in a book like the Bible that was written by men who received nothing for their story. Unless you call beatings, floggings, cruxificitions,and being drug to death behind a horse as something of compensation. They received nothing and gave all.
PB,
You seem to have met very few true journalists or true fanatics/attention-seekers.
Do you think all the false doctrine was spread by the apathetic?
Some of them were very vocal and endured a great deal of injury when others sought to suppress their heresies.
Even people in the media have been jailed,beaten and killed because they sought to reveal stories that weren't popular.
The main difference between a good reporter and a good preacher is that newshounds are punished because they won't disclose the source of their truth and prophets are oppressed when they do.
Couldn't the Bible be written in the same way? Oh how about Michael's Blogs, maybe they are written to "get attention" too? Nice try. Really man, there is NO Reason for what happened. None. Whether they started it, the outcome shouldn't have gotten that far. I feel bad for all involved, because it will be a hard lesson for each and everyone. But to come here and tell me you are filled with the Holy Spirit and all that crap and do something like that is FAR from believable.
I rather wish I could believe that only the lost or demons acted inappropriately.
Then,I could assume there was a way for me to go through life without thinking about the good or bad consequences of my actions.
Either I'd be eternally and unequivocally noble or I'd be a demon and I'd be expected to be evil.
Only while lost would I be a bit of good and bad and salvation would erase all capacity for evil.
Too bad that's not how it works.
In reality,the lost can do good things and the saved can err.
(That's why it's not about what we do but who we serve.
A woman can have her abdomen grow from pregnancy or a tumor.
How do we know which she has within her?
One is a new life within her.
The other is a corruption of her being that will kill her if allowed to interfere with her healthy parts.
We can't always tell by looking from outside.
We have to look within to see how what she carries is developing-and,sometimes,both exist together.)
I don't think anyone is dismissing the seriousness our mistakes can have.
Nor is anyone denying the need for repentence.
We are saying it is necessary to look at people's lives through God's eyes.
He finds fault in our best and glory in our worst.
He doesn't give up on us -not even when we give up on Him.
We need to pray for physical healing for those who need it,spiritual remedy for those with sick souls and we need to pray with our actions to strengthen and purify the world we live in.
Complacency,fear,anger and despair will not cure our world's diseases nor will they ease its pain.
I HAVE FOUND THAT PEOPLE WILL BELIEVE ANYTHING AS LONG AS IT IS NOT THE BIBLE. I STILL DONT UNDERSTAND WHY THE BIBLE CANT BE THE WORD OF GOD. MAYBE IM SLOW, BUT I HAVENT HEARD A GOOD LOGICAL EXPLANATION (EM- I KNOW YOUR CAPABLE) THAT STUFF ABOUT THE ROMANS CHANGING THINGS HAS BEEN DISPROVEN, MOST OF THE NEW TESTAMENT WAS ALREADY IN EXISTENCE BEFORE CONSTANTINE, AND IF THEY REMOVED SOME BOOKS, SO WHAT. WE CANT EVEN AGREE ON WHATS THEIR ALREADY.
I thought I was the only one with a stuck caps lock.
We used a bottle of canned air,tweezers and some scrubbing bubbles to get my keyboard a bit better.
(EM would probably have better reccommendations,)
Anyhow,I'm banning cats and coffee from my p.c. and hoping that will prevent any inadvertant shouting from this end.
quantumcat,
The best thing for a keyboard is rubbing alcohol, pour about 3 capfuls in the keypad. Swish it around and it will disolve soda, coffee, that sticky stuff inside. Let is sit for 30 minutes, take a steam iron or one of those high pressure steam guns and blow it out. Make sure you are doing this where the mess is easily cleaned up from the floor. Let it hang and dry overnight, Do not plug is back in until it is completely dry.
Greasemonkey,
Ok so you agree that that the books of the bible were removed. And sorry I disagree, Constantine removed most of them, I have proof. Now, the Bible cannot be the Word of God. It is impossible, even says so in the Bible. Don't believe me? Read John Chapter 1. That enough proof?
Thanks, O prince among Primates!
I've got all that.
Too bad getting filled with alcohol and getting steamed doesn't remove our impurities.
We might have more people getting perfected.
Maybe God removed the extra books.
A Bible 1100% bigger than our current one would have been too heavy to carry or had print too small to read.
"O.k. I'm leaving y'all the stripped-down version.
When you need more,just come straight to Me."
quantumcat,
So far, you are about the most honest and truthful person on here. Thank you for your responses, esp. your last one. If the Bible was bigger it would be too heavy to carry.
(srry about the caps) how can you use the bible for proof when you disregard what it says
greasemonkey,
Sorry but I never said I disregarded the Bible, I merely said it wasn't complete.
Monkey
I believe you have been hanging upside down too long.
What versiom of the bible are you reading?
The first chapter of John, is where John is witnessing to Israel, that the prophecy of Isiah about the Messiah has come to pass.
I pick up from that chapter also that the Bible is a true record.
Good to see you back in print grease monkey now don't you start hanging by your tail to long.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning.
In the beginning was the Bible, and the Bible was with God, and the Bible was God. It was with God in the beginning.
Wow, that makes absolute sense now.... NOT!
Sorry but I never said I disregarded the Bible, I merely said it wasn't complete.
-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Fri, Jun 13, 2008, at 4:53 PM
Evil Monkey,
When you put the Bible in the same or a lower place as "Stargate" you have done more than disregaurd it, you have defamated it. Let it alone if you choose to be a non-believer of it. Why work so hard against something you do not believe in? Stand up for what you do believe in, not for what you do not believe in????
"JESUS CHRIST" is the word of God. If you keep reading all of it you will see. Versus 14-16 pretty much tells it all. When Jesus Christ speaks it will be written in the Red Ink. What Jesus Christ saids is written in the bible, therefore the Holy Bible "CONTAINS" the word of God. It also gives the past history of man, Jesus Christ, and God. We are suppose to Keep Gods commandments.
parkerbrothers, haven't you heard "Seek and you will Find." Mathew 7ch. 7 vs.
http://www.888c.com/Seek.htm
Let EM find what he is looking for!
EM, I believe "The Word" is the part you are having a problem with. In this case, the Word does not represent scripture (I think most would agree). Scripure as we know it, was not even close to being around at the time. The "word" is likely to be akin to the understand or thought of the being human (or God). It also has symbolic meaning referring to God breathing out existence. You see, in a Helenized world, you saw a more philisophical religion. This passage tied it together. You can get a sense of the coralations from Genesis to give you a clue if you are reading. The NT has many places that expects you to know what it is referring to from the OT. The clue is not always as clear as "In The Beginning". Anyway, Jesus was believed to be of this elemenatal stuff, the same as "God" & "Understanding".
John has guite a few problems, likely being the latest Gosphel written. The Christology of the entire KJV has some problems is spots though. The Trintity was one of the most olbvious areas to be changed throughout the centuries anyway. It is a tough call for me to say I think I know exactly what the original meaning was, and the point they were trying to make. There were politial issues in the background, just like there are now, and we just do not really know. If you believe one way or the other, you just have to have faith about it.
MomOf3&3step, I was just wondering, which of God's commandments are we supposed to keep, to your understanding of it?
If man changed something in the Bible that God wanted left, he will pay for that, not us.
I believe the only reason the Bible is incomplete is because all the prophecies have not yet been fulfilled, but soon will be.
Thank you,Sharon.
I try to do the best I can.
As for "Stargate" and the Bible,I think "Stargate" has had less fanfic and fewer materials declared non-canonical.
One similarity they have concerns the nature of the minds governing us and the religions we live by.
Could someone look at how you relate to others and tell if you were host to a Go'auld or a Tokra?
Does your religion promise power it won't deliver,seek to advance itself at your expense and try to wipe out any who won't become its slaves?
Or does it give no power beyond what we can safely handle, prefer that we die or never exist than be corrupted or abused and give freely of itself to secure our welfare?
S-G hasn't been around quite as long but I think that,if we can't see the truths we need in the traditional Scriptures,we'll find it encrypted in other places such as the lives of the people we know or even our popular culture.
The seeking heart will find it even as Shakespeare described in "As you Like It".
"And this, our life, exempt from public haunt, finds tongues in trees, books in the running brooks, sermons in stones, and good in everything."
parkerbrothers,
Haha wow still bringing up my sarcasm as what you perceive is truth eh? Still having to grasp at the mediocre amount of clout you might have left? Geesh man, please deal with your own problems and help Nestlewood get their homes right or maybe visit the man you maimed. A real Christian would do what is right, not what you can weasel out of legally.
Momof3,
If you read my complete comment, you can see the last word is Not. What that means is, I know the true meaning of the verse, but to call the Bible the Word of God and Jesus are the same thing is a bit wacked.
memyselfi,
I have no trouble, I know exactly what I am talking about. I do not know how a religion can worship a book more than the God it talks about. They wrap with in letter, place their name in gold on it, they hold it as they are hugging it when they walk into the Churches. They actually place them on Mantles and Pedestals too. Does this not concern anyone?
To anyone else,
So for anyone trying to trash what I believe, can really just step back and READ what I stated from the beginning. Anyone that places more damn clout in the Book then their actual faith in God better rethink their position when stating how wrong I am.
To anyone else,
So for anyone trying to trash what I believe, can really just step back and READ what I stated from the beginning. Anyone that places more damn clout in the Book then their actual faith in God better rethink their position when stating how wrong I am.
-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Sat, Jun 14, 2008, at 10:18 AM
Evil Monkey,
How can we (or you) know about the God of the Bible without the Bible of God?
No one is trashing your belief. How could we trash something that we do not see existing. I have no idea what you believe in nor from what it originates from.
How can we see your belief if you don't practice it? See how what you says Makes so much sense?
Evil Monkey,
If you believed in the Bible all would make sense to you. Until you do it is in vain. But we will continue as long as you are willing. I will never give up on you. With God all things are possible.
Whatever heretic.
No one is trashing your belief. How could we trash something that we do not see existing. I have no idea what you believe in nor from what it originates from.
-- Posted by parkerbrothers on Sat, Jun 14, 2008, at 1:02 PM
Kinda like when we didn't SEE GOD EXISTING in your actions?
It's hard to understand where your belief originates when your actions disprove everything you have SAID to this point.
Parker
There is another tomorrow, if not make sure today ends right with you.
These people want you to be guilty, because you confess to be a Christian and they feel a need criticize and gloat. You may be the whipping boy today, but their time will come somewhere in the future.
With them passing out judgement on an open forum, I'am sure the judge will take that into consideration.
Praying all ends well for all parties concerned.
MomOf3&3step, I was just wondering, which of God's commandments are we supposed to keep, to your understanding of it?-- Posted by memyselfi on Sat, Jun 14, 2008, at 12:25 AM
Jesus defined the purpose of Gods 10 Commandments as teaching us how to apply the two great principles of loving God and loving each other. He made this clear when a lawyer tried to trap Him when he said, "Master, which is the great commandment in the law?" Jesus responded, "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, You shall love your neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang ALL the law and the prophets." Matthew 22:35:40
Momof3,
If you read my complete comment, you can see the last word is Not. What that means is, I know the true meaning of the verse, but to call the Bible the Word of God and Jesus are the same thing is a bit wacked.Posted by Evil Monkey on Sat, Jun 14, 2008, at 10:18 AM
I hear you EM., although I was not posting to that comment. The other comment you posted, greasemonkey posted, and jesse sellers posted is why I posted what I did.
I have proof. Now, the Bible cannot be the Word of God. It is impossible, even says so in the Bible. Don't believe me? Read John Chapter 1. That enough proof?-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Fri, Jun 13, 2008, at 2:47 PM
I STILL DONT UNDERSTAND WHY THE BIBLE CANT BE THE WORD OF GOD. -- Posted by greasemonkey on Fri, Jun 13, 2008, at 1:15 PM
What versiom of the bible are you reading?
The first chapter of John, is where John is witnessing to Israel, that the prophecy of Isiah about the Messiah has come to pass.I pick up from that chapter also that the Bible is a true record.
-- Posted by jesse sellers on Fri, Jun 13, 2008, at 6:02 PM
To who ever!
Kol Luv!
jesse,
Sorry, I don't place myself in ANY position to have any issues where people can judge me.
Monkey
Sorry, your attitude has had a smell lately. You and your friends have shown nothing but hate, and malice for the last Two weeks. Now that's the way I see it.
I still want to see the man I spoke with write, and debate the issues. You have a great talent so don't let attitude undermine your capabilities.
E.M.
You can call my papers fake and that is fine , but I contacted Rev . Miller and there is no Pastor EvilMonkey or by your real name either.
By the way when you post yours on blogfarts you need to change the date next time.
At least I did take the course and got mine legit if you think I am a fraud , what do you call yourself?
Excuse me but I had my certificate longer? And do you honestly think you contacted someone there? There is no phone number, the email bounces back. Think about it. I can show you alot more certificates from other churches too. And if you check who posted the certificate, it would be pretty funny watching you eat some crow. Hehe. I never said I got it. You just assume I did.
You need to learn to read chief.
Pastor Michael
I think you are doing a job that not easy this day and time. Keep trying to get God"s word out. I think he chose you and will guide you on your trip with him.
The more you study God's word the closer he draws to you.
Help us make the trip home, keep adding a little salt to your messages, because we all need to be stung to open our eyes at times. Watch out for the boulders satan rolls your way don't let him side track you. Keep your eyes on the goal.
Jesse,
I need to respond to this quote of yours,
"Sorry, your attitude has had a smell lately. You and your friends have shown nothing but hate, and malice for the last Two weeks. Now that's the way I see it."
Ok, I don't see hate or malice, I see God's grace and compassion through me and others trying to show Michael and parkerbrothers where they are wrong. We are just doing God's will, just as Michael and parkerbrothers believe they have been doing preaching Hate and Malice for the past EIGHT MONTHS towards fellow human beings that cannot speak for themselves because they do NOT have any idea this his happening behind their backs.
If Michael wants to say something, he needs to say it to their face, not to hide behind a computer. He needs to go to their events, their functions, their churches and tell them how wrong they are. Basically he needs to face the masses instead of people he already knows. Basically he needs to venture out of his safe haven.
Michael,
Well, I find that hard to believe, because I can't seem to get ahold of the guy to ask any questions. To say it was some elaborate scheme to discredit me saying how a paper doesn't matter, BUT NOW the certificate matters when you notice the date on it and assume something more. Did he ever think that maybe I knew it was a fraud because I already had one? Do you think maybe I have more experience?
Does Rev. Miller have a database and correspondance classes on his site? So how would he know who has finished the course or not? Rev. Miller doesn't exist, neither does the other old fart on the page, Gwen Turner owns the website, she hosts it on a cheaper webhost for free, and she uses a yahoo.com webmail account. She is the one that answers all the correspondence.
You claim this is in California but the IP traces it to, Washington - Renton - Parcom area.
Look, you can do and say all you want to discredit me, but remember this, I know ALOT about finding information. This is my job, my livelihood and I check all forms of data to make sure when I do business with someone, my risks are minimal. You can make all the claims you want, but I am very skeptical about alot of things and when someone is preaching or stating things that I find are hateful, pushing to make their lives even more difficult, and leads others to do things to hurt them. I will stand up against that. That is my greatest fear and I will not stop.
Sin is Sin, but when you categorize it, you place one certain sin above another, it is wrong.
Fyi I do have a a list of all those in 50 states who has been ordained because I have contacted them and keep in touch.
It will be even more official very soon because I am expecting a church of my own and when God answers that prayer through whatever means he uses I will be ordained officially by a very good Pastor friend of mine unless that is still not official enough for you
No Michael,
"Fyi I do have a a list of all those in 50 states who has been ordained because I have contacted them and keep in touch."
Really, you have time to contact all the ordained people in ALL 50 states and talk to each one of them? While working a full-time job, studying, preaching, doing the Lord's Will, and then getting ordained?
Because most people don't know anyone that would ordain what you teach; it is always a "very good pastor friend", or a "very good friend rabbi". So did you even read what I said? Do you even refute it or not? Remember, you are the one that started the Evil Monkey for you Topic. And you made sure that keeps getting pushed further down with your mindless ramblings.
Your problem is you really don't have a plan, before you were certified/ordained, then when I question you about the validity, you show me a certification from the above scam-site, and claim then doesn't mean jack (basically you tried to pull off a fast one), Now you say it does when you thought my certification was invalid by trying to call a bluff. Now when I prove to you that a few "very good pastor friends" don't actually exist, (referring to Rev, Miller and the old fart on the front page), you come back with well, I am going to be MORE official...
Really think about what you are doing, take a break or something man, you are losing your head, not thinking clearly and need to change tactics.
Monkey
When you use words, you and everyone else opens themselves up to judgement.
Yes, the Bible says not to judge less you recieve judgement.
An opinion is a judgement. If I think you are heading down the wrong road. The one to Hell.I have to tell you if I care anything about your soul. The same I think you would do for me. The same thing I think Pastor Mike is trying to do on this blog. Will he make mistakes? (YES) Will he learn more? (YES) Is he mortal? (YES) Are you Mortal? (YES) Do Mortal make mistakes? (YES)
Does everyone judge,(YES) therefore every one will face Judgement.
I can't answer to God alone about my life. Like Parker said "I need Jesus to stand in front of me to shield, and plead my case". Now each person must decide how they will travel this road of life, and Pastor Mike is part ot the (map quest) for God.
As the Jews say (Shalom)
I did not say all 50 states and I do stay in contact with Rev.Miller and I do know several Pastors personally who I am proud to call my friends.
Seems like you don't know as much about me as you think.
I do thank and wish God's blessings on Jesse Sellers and Marvin Parker who I have both met and believe with out a shadow of a doubt are great men of God who both know they need Jesus Christ as their Saviour.
The only official ordination I need is God's. I am asking for the blessing of a pastor friend which will include a personal ordination before I go to start my own church to honor the Lord Jesus Christ by preaching the uncompromising Word of the Bible.
The one we have now , not the one you keep talking about.
Every bill that comes up to stop abortion we will support and sign petitions.
Any bill to make marriage between One Man and One Woman the only recognized form of marriage we will support and sign petitions.
Anybody will be welcome , but the Word of God and the wrath of God to come will be taught and taught to it's my fullest extent.
To quote a very good friend of mine if you don't know the wrath and judgment to come , how do you know what you are being saved from?
I will save the front pew for you if you want.
Pastor Michael
Give me a call I have some tapes you might enjoy 684-5583
Michael I am glad that you are not going through your ministries alone. That was a concern I had some blogs back. Guidance and Blessings from other ministers is the right approach; but more importantly is Gods' Blessings. I hope The Word of God is trully in your ministries.
God Bless.
Good luck,Michael.
I might suggest that you not support EVERY pro-life or marriage protection proposal without looking to see if they are fair and rational first.
(That would be true for any legislation.)
Sometimes,petitions are drawn up for laws that are clumsily designed,have hidden agendas or are otherwise unworthy.
Giving support to such proposals wastes time and undermines credibility.
It can even make us the dupes of people who would destroy all we strive to promote.
If we are selective about who and what we endorse and get behind sound causes with all our might,then we can accomplish more of what God would have us do.
Being active in living your beliefs is a good thing.
Just be careful that you are supporting what God prefers and not lending your energy to the well-meaning but erring or people who would exploit your zeal and determination for their own purposes.
1ST- Fyi I do have a a list of all those in 50 states who has been ordained because I have contacted them and keep in touch.
-- Posted by michaelbell on Sun, Jun 15, 2008, at 1:35 PM
2ND- I did not say all 50 states and I do stay in contact with Rev.Miller and I do know several Pastors personally who I am proud to call my friends. Seems like you don't know as much about me as you think.
-- Posted by michaelbell on Sun, Jun 15, 2008, at 9:10 PM
I am not going to say ANYTHING about your beliefs.. because I could never agree with someone who's heart is full of disillusioned rhetoric... But I just want to know how you explain your second comment, when you so clearly contradict yourself in the first...
Quantumcat,
I always love your rational explanation of things... Good to be back!
Michael,
You still haven't responded with the exception of your continually avoiding the issues. You now say you don't need to be ordained but by God, but you just stated you were getting ordained by a very good pastor friends who is your cousin's brother's friend of your mechanic's girlfriend nephew. Sorry but Rev Miller doesn't exist, I already pointed that out to you.
Again, you do not read anything I have stated, If you cannot do that, how do you study? This make no common sense to me.
Michael, when I see your church is when I will believe. But that takes effort, and honestly, you cannot do that.
EM,
Sorry I didnt mean to come off as combative, if I did. I know you and I can always have debate as adults, because we always have. I am honestly interested in your point of view, although I may not agree with it. I would agree that there probably are books of the bible missing, I also believe that the main points have been preserved (through divine intervention/ holy spirit)in our current ot/nt scriptures. I believe that the Bible is the written word of God, I guess I should have said "written" in my previous statement.
Thank you,Darrick.
I agree things will be different on the day Michael gets his own church.
We'll be able to get a taste of things to come by watching how he performs the less flashy duties of a pastor now.
Sometimes,we see nothing more than the orator in his fancy suit.
We don't see the counsellor,the arbitrator,the administrator or some of the duties performed away from the pulpit.
Micheal wouldn't need a building,a staff,clerical gear or ordination certificates to do a disciple's work as a private citizen.
As has been pointed out before,let's look at his actions-not words or pieces of paper.
A friend once had the very unrealistic ambition to go to school and become a health care worker.
He was met with a good deal of pity and no small amount of ridicule.
He literally counted pennies and took his courses one at a time.
Often,he walked or hitch-hiked to the out-of-town colleges he attended.
After years of struggle,he became an EMT.
Not long after,he was supplying ambulances and medical equipment to care providers everywhere.
The proverbial ant who moved a rubber tree plant had nothing on this guy.
My friend has never stopped having more than his share of reverses but he has persevered,kept his goals and his hopes intact and followed God's lead even when the proper path was faint,rough and overgrown.
So long as Mr. Bell does what he Lord has in mind for him (and doesn't lose confidence or succumb to the temptation of writing his own script for his future),he will be given what he needs to become what he is meant to be and every thing he experiences in the meantime will be preparation for what's ahead.
God may take him down a route he would never have chosen or expected but it will be the right one for his destination.
Those of us watching from the sidelines may be surprised by what comes from Michael's journey.
But,if we believe in the One who directs his steps,we must believe he'll wind up where he is meant to be.
EM,
Yes, there are some people that treat the bible as if it were more than just a book with words. That comes from tradition more than directly out of scripture. There are people that believe every word is exactly how it should be, and some people that belive the message is only the part that is exactly right. There are many people that think it is all wrong. None of these beliefs really concern me.
However, it does concern me when anyone is so sure of what they believe, they attack someone elses beliefs. When it comes to religion, no one can be sure of anything. The best we can do is have faith. I do think I understand that you are trying to show the error of what you see as wrong, and likely are doing it with Christian motivations, but you stand on no firmer ground than the people you are concerned about.
If I were ever in the position of needing to attempt to challenge someones beliefs, I would like to think that I knew exactly what was right or wrong. The point of my last comment was that there is no way to know if someone who believes differently than you is right or wrong with this particular issue. I think you should view your religion any way you wish, but I also think people who believe differently should be able to do the same. It seems to me that everyone involved gets somewhat defensive when their beliefs get challenged. If you can relate to that feeling yourself, it should not be a stretch to understand what your words can do to someone else.
To the best of my knowledge, I do not know anyone that reads these, or writes in them. I do not want you to think I am taking sides or anything. I just started reading a few weeks ago. Nor do I have a position to defend when it comes to the subject. I also understand that there has been a lot going on in the past that I just do not know about as I am so new. Also, I did not intend to insinuate that you didnt understand something. You had written a message that sounded like you had some questions "That makes perfect sence..NOT" and I was just trying to help. I guess I do not understand blog humor yet, or my personality is just too dry to comprehend it.
You can call me at 536-1279 if you need update on the entire situation.