I am a little confused... Email me, darrick_04@yahoo.com if you lost it.

Do you have one or are you content on just critisizing someone who does have a belief and wish to bring them to your point of no belief?

I just wonder if they have even met in person? Btw EM, sorry I didn't get to talk to you at my work the other day.. We were busy! Due to my college class I have to rush into work at 1, so I barely have time to catch up on anything.. So I wasn't trying to be rude. Hope all is well :)

Evil Monkey,

What is not there?

memyselfi,

I believe he fulfilled the entire Law. The Law was a shadow of the substance to come which was Jesus. The Law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ. I do not belive we would recognize sin in our life if not for the Law that points.

Only Faith in the sacrafice of Christ alone will appease the God I know.

parkerbrothers, Well, I do actually understand the difference between the two days. I was more or less asking you if you observe the Sabbath, and why or why not? If He fulfilled that, what parts exactly do you believe have been fulfilled or has all of the law?

As far as my opinion, I do not really have one on the issue, just wondering what you think.

Evil Monkey,

I do not think everyone is doing it and if they were that would not make it right for anyone including me. It is wrong to steal or lie just as it is to commit adultery. The good news is there is forgiveness for all of the mentioned sins to a repentant heart wanting to be free of the sins.

The sins I find hardest to rid myself of is the one of not loving the Lord thy God with all my heart, and with all my soul, and with all my strength, and with all my mind; and my neighbour as myself. I find it hard to even grasp hold of it for a minute of my life let alone to have never broken it once in my life. Even though I do not believe it is humanly possible to fulfill that commandment until we are changed in the twinkling of an eye I will keep trying to commprehend and grasp a hold of it as best I can until that day.

What sins do you struggle with most?

Divorce is more widely accepted than homosexuality

Posted by nascarfanatic on Sun, Jul 6, 2008, at 3:53 PM

Though I may not approve of it there are grounds for divorce given in the Bible. I do not think any Christians like the thought of divorce either but realize it is acceptable in circumstanses unlike the sin of sodom.

The good news is there is forgiveness for both of the mentioned sins to a repentant heart wanting to be free of the sins.

Parker, your old age thinking doesn't resonate with people with open minds. So stop trying. You claim to teach what Christ wants everyone to know, but you have YET to let Christ do it... You are a stumbling block to the pathway of salvation. YOU get in the way with your OWN ideas of what is/isn't wrong... You can try to childishly equate homosexuality with adultery or whatever you wish.. Yet you say NOTHING about half of all marriages ending in divorce, the astronomical amount of KIDS with NO place called home, the unprecedented amount of people living in poverty in this "the richest nation on Earth"... etc.

I have yet to see anything other than pure talk from you. Every time I see the "Quiz an Expert" section in the paper, I wonder how you enjoy that undeserving title... You have YET to show me where JESUS said a thing about homosexuality, or where God for that matter. I don't need Bible lessons either because there is a verse that states very clearly the "Sins of Sodom" and not a SINGLE one had a thing to do with being gay... Jesus (not Paul, not Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, or any other IMPERFECT human being...) never said ONE WORD about this topic you have become obsessed with.

Divorce is more widely accepted than homosexuality, because we ALL know people who have been divorced or cheated on... Which involves heartache, bitterness, and resentment, yet we choose to stir up the same emotions among homosexual couples who do not experience any of that. How absurd of you to continually place yourself in Jesus' shoes and say things that HE NEVER SAID. You continually talk about this Christian path you so dearly love, yet half of everything you say goes 100% against Christ.

You and Michael are the only two who continue to bring it up... Yet you don't want the issue "crammed down your throats" no pun intended... Here is a dose of common sense, if YOU don't want to hear anything pertaining to homosexuality, then by all means STOP BRINGING IT UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"I have not noticed you being "so fast" or even slow either to respond to topics. Was that something you want everyone to take notice of for you and why would it really matter?"

Actually, if you don't remember, you accused me of always talking to everyone like i have all the time in the world. So stop being a senile idiot and look for things to complain about. So if someone has an answer for you, you seem to attack any part of their nature. You an idiot.

You love to argue about everything because you hate to be wrong, sad fact is, you are wrong. About alot of things, You state homosexually is being generalized as acceptable therefore he points it out. But you neglect to mention, assault seems to be in the paper alot more, drugs, lying, stealing, and hypocrisy. Seems like that is left out quite a bit.

I read the article, I read the verses too. What I discern from it is, If you point out certain classes of people, with certain sins: You are in fact judging them. If you state sin, instead of point out specifics then people seem to be more receptive to you. The problem is singling out people for specific sins yet when someone points out yours, it's not a big deal.

I think that is why alot of people get pretty ticked off at you and Michael. Sin in general is bad, but when you proactively go after certain types of sin, it seems like it's ok to do the other types that you two seem to never mention. I think that is where most of my trouble leads to not agreeing with 85% of what is said.

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Fri, Jul 4, 2008, at 1:53 PM

I think you are sometimes missing the whole point. The only reason a particular sin has been pointed out or made the topic of so much discussion is because that particular sin (homosexuality) itself is what is asking for widespread general acceptance to not be considered sin.

I truly think you would see the same thing happen if adultery was the subject sin that wanted public acceptance. I believe Michael would have the same stance against it if every adulterous man came out of the closet and wanted to be allowed to be married to each and every mistress he had claiming he had a right to be married to each woman he loved.

God desires Marriage to be between one man and woman in this current dispensation of time. We will not have marriage in the next dispensation of time which is eternity.

We currently do not have a national emergence of adulterous men coming out of the closet and making their desire to be allowed to be married to each and every mistress an issue. Rest assurred that our interpertation of scripture would remain the same and we would give it equal billing as a sin if it does occur. It just is not an issue seeking justification now like the sin of homosexuality is.

Can you see that it is not us picking out a sin but instead it is a particular sin picking its time???

I read the article, I read the verses too. What I discern from it is, If you point out certain classes of people, with certain sins: You are in fact judging them. If you state sin, instead of point out specifics then people seem to be more receptive to you. The problem is singling out people for specific sins yet when someone points out yours, it's not a big deal.

I think that is why alot of people get pretty ticked off at you and Michael. Sin in general is bad, but when you proactively go after certain types of sin, it seems like it's ok to do the other types that you two seem to never mention. I think that is where most of my trouble leads to not agreeing with 85% of what is said.

No idea why you keep telling me to chill, like I have stated over and over, I do not get anger or upset over anything anyone says; am not like everyone else in the world. BTW the reason I can answer and response to topics so fast is not by searching, but by utilizing feed-readers. If you don't know what that is, do research on RSS.

So instead of focusing on others' sins, why don't you work on yours and let Jesus stand on his own? Or since you feel the need to judge others, are stating you and Michael are Jesus?

The waters can represent any of our challenges.

God has the power to eliminate evil and harness everything else.

We need not fear any part of His creation but can deal with it with respect and even delight.

We are not to become complacent,smug or cavalier in how we face the world but neither are we to face it with despair,

We should trust that all things come together for good for those who love the Lord.

Even Chaos and entropy are part of His goodness.

God's plan has good be the default setting.

When we place our faith in Him,we are choosing to restore our lives to His design specifications.

Will we have everything in our lives accomodate our druthers?

No.

But,we will find more to like in a lifestyle based on purpose,true chivalry and truth.

We won't just be saving our lives,avoiding trouble and increasing our prosperity.

Our comfort and how we are viewed by others become less consequential than whether we are putting our talents to their best use as part of God's team.

Ironically,when we quit "running on empty" and become our true selves,we will be given the means to be happy.

Immortality and avoidance of Hell will matter less than the Heaven we begin to know even here and now.

Folks who can't look past "Rescue the Perishing" forget that Christ doesn't just offer to lengthen our existence.

He adds depth and breadth,as well.

When I see the waters,I see the place where our sins reside.

They haven't been tossed where they might return to shore but into the depths where they are forgotten.

They are as far from us as the east is from the west.

"We are at our best when we prepare for the worse, we hope for the best, and we accept what it is that comes."

-- Posted by parkerbrothers on Wed, Jul 2, 2008, at 6:10 PM

I agree with this.

I also think we need to think about second stage faith.

We focus on the campaign and the election but we forget about holding office.

We get giddy about "landing" a sweetheart,having the courtship and wedding then we let the story fade to black.

Being born again is rather like being born the first time.

It's a begining-not a final chapter.

The early stages may find one somewhat weak and helpless.

The next may find one a little too confident and unaware of his limits.

As a person grows,things that were once beyond him become easy.

He becomes embarassed to think of how ignorant and incapable he was in earlier days.

If a teen tried to resume the life of an infant,he'd become bored and uncomfortable.

We don't all mature the same way spiritually any more than we do physically.

In both cases,we grow best when we are well-nourished and avoid injury,illness and other stresses that might stunt our development.

We would do well to recall that those who take longer to reach adulthood tend to develop more fully than those who end their childhood quickly.

But,if the physical life is more about what comes between our birth and death,so is our spiritual existence.

We need to start making a middle to go with the begining and the end.

We need to make that fresh start,get prepared for the finale then start concentrating on adding some flash to "the dash".

How can we put God at the center of our lives if we don't bother to make one?

"See that Guy walking on top of the water,dividing the waves and calming the waters?

Posted by quantumcat on Wed, Jul 2, 2008, at 3:33 AM

quantumcat,

What do you think the waters represent?

Parker

Lets pray every thing falls into place for them. Need to leave have a good day.

That would probably help but they do not seem to want help or believe they are in need of help.

I feel sometimes that talking to one of them makes about as much sense as throwing a lifejacket to someone standing in the middle of Wal-Mart parking lot. Until they feel they are in dangerous waters there is no perceived need of the life jacket by them.

Nascarfanatic gets unstuck sometimes for brief periods of time. I think a lot of it has to do with what octane he is running on?

Parker

Seems like they are still running the old time holly, remember being told how they would stick.

Evil Monkey,

I believe you are still avoiding the question?

# 22 - "Tell me about this Jesus you know and where did you learn of him??????????????????????"

Remember, I am not the first one to ask this of you and you could not answer them either. No question will ever go away without an answer. That is a rule of time.

I really do not see why you even bother to comment on the subject of sin when you believe Paul to be "Paul the Fraud" and put Jesus in the same boat with Santa Claus.

It seems clear that any discussion we have on the subject of sin is going to come from two different sources.

-- Posted by parkerbrothers on Tue, Jul 1, 2008, at 6:35 AM

Ironically enough you can remember a comment from many months ago, but when someone asks you about your ACTIONS from just a few weeks ago, you are mum on the subject? Interesting... Pointing others out for a few words, but hiding behind the Lord when your actions contradict your rhetoric... Hypocrite much?

Sabbath vs. the Lord's Day

what you believe has been fulfilled by Christ.

memyselfi, those are great topics I would like to hear on too.

parkerbrothers, Hmmm, I dont know where to start. Firstly, as you already know, I do not really have an opinion that would have the same urgency or importance as most other people here. I do however think that if I did, I would most likely lean toward the likelihood of the destruction of the soul according to critical scripture. I would also doubt the literal representation of "the Hell" in certain books of the Bible that tend to be written with fantastic imagery that, as the centuries have passed, have lost some of their original intended purpose for most readers.

In a couple of the newer subjects there are references to the new style of the church. I have heard no one defend the church yet, but I think the church has no other way to counter the basic knowledge that is so readily available in todays society. A church has not only the objective of getting the good news out and saving souls, it also has the earthly problems of a budget, maintenance, paying the bills, ect. Churches need members to do any of this. If you could talk to leaders of most churches in an honest way, I would bet that all would agree some of their members will end up in hell. At what point does a pastor, preacher, minister, priest draw the line? If every church drew the line based on a single way of accepting the religion, most would be forced to shut the doors because they would not have the members to keep them open. Everyone does have a different God at this point in history. The different churches are just trying to find their place in this new world.

I hate to say it, but throughout time knowledge and organized religion have been somewhat at odds. There are so many ways to interpret passages (not to mention translations, councils, bulls, history or traditions) that to have any cohesion in a group, it has to have a leader to lead and the followers to follow. In my opinion, it was no accident the Bible was not widely distributed under organized religion until recently. It was rooted in the desire to keep the power structures of the time in place. I am not saying that the motivation was necessarily selfish. There were many that truly believed that deviation from "the church" was a sin and that anyone who questioned needed a "correction" from a loving Christian. It was after all for their own good.

Anyway, sorry I got off on that, back to what I think about words. There is no definitive way to explain how Hell (or Heaven for that matter) has been translated from the original words. I fear that the heleniziation of the area took forever the true meanings of what we see as our Bible today. I doubt it was intentional, but even in our lifetime we have seen words change meanings. That does not even begin to account for different languages/cultures and centuries of time.

I will very seldom resort to mining scripture and would certainly not on this subject as there is way too much ammunition for either side. I just wanted to know if you also looked as hard at these more troubling words. However, if you are up for it, I would also like to get a feel of where you stand on the Sabbath vs. the Lord's Day. That is a great conversation in my opinion, and also exactly what you believe has been fulfilled by Christ. They are related subjects to me anyway, but have consequences that cast long shadows. Sorry I went on so long...

Actually Yes I did and you confirmed it previously, You just choose to keep changing the subject because you don't want to admit you are a liar, a thief, and a hypocrite. And everyone knows it.

Evil Monkey,

No, you have never answered my question. I do not think you can and I think I know why you can not.

# 21 - "Tell me about this Jesus you know and where did you learn of him?????????????????????"

parkerbrothers, I find the language of the bible fascinating and worthy of much more study than it is usually given. I do agree that the specific word "judge" has been misinterpreted at times, but I wonder if you have the ability to take such an open-eyed look at other words that are even more questionable and have more meaning to the overall understanding of scripture. I would like to hear what you think of the different words translated into "soul" "Hell" and a few others.

It is one thing for a person to accept biblical contextual criticism when it adds to and justifies their beliefs, but when it does not align with tradition, it is somewhat harder to accept for most.

parkerbrothers,

I have answered your questions over and over and if you cannot seem to remember them, that is your problem. But to answer the same thing repeatedly seems like a waste of time and breath. Therefore there is no point. Because no matter what, you will always argue your pointless rhetoric just to get the last word in. Thing is, you can't win due to your sins and blasphemy. I, on the other hand, have no need to sin.

Evil Monkey,

I always try to answer a question if I see one. Most questions are followed with the ? symbol. If you have a question ask a question and I will try to answer it if I can. If I can not answer it I will tell you so.

While on the subject of questions let me ask you again one that I have asked each time with a question mark that you most definitely have avoided for the longest: # 19 - "Tell me about this Jesus you know and where did you learn of him???????????????????"

parkerbrothers,

You didn't answer the question, you always avoid it. Yes I do not proactively go out of my way to sin. I have self-control, nothing around me affects me nor my thoughts to sin. It's that simple, you seem to hide behind the veil of religion to justify it is ok for you to do anything you want because you feel you are "saved". That is blasphemy. You always need to keep bringing up little quips of what people stated in the past but can't seem to answer the questions now. I don't think it is fair that you condemn nascarfanatic over an analogy that you have twisted into your own fantasy tactic. If Jesus is so powerful, then let him do his job. Why do you feel you need to defend him? Are you hiding something?

Jesse,

You stated that you need to babysit me? Then why do I feel I need to keep you all in line with the real truth instead of you sad comments to try and put me down? How Christian of you.

Michael,

So if you found out one of your children's teachers was a homosexual, what would you do? You state that you will try to save the new morals that are coming around? Do you honestly believe you can stop a movement of what 90% of the world already states is ok with them? Why do you feel that so many people are leaving Church? It is because of the mentality of some of the teachers, they can't seem to get out of the 13th century.

nascarfanatic,

As you could see if you would look, my comment was to evil monkey that... "You are no more sinful than the rest of us" in which he responded and said..."Sorry I don't lie, cheat, steal, maim, or blaspheme. I have confidence, it isn't about self-centeredness."

I really do not see why you even bother to comment on the subject of sin when you believe Paul to be "Paul the Fraud" and put Jesus in the same boat with Santa Claus.

It seems clear that any discussion we have on the subject of sin is going to come from two different sources.

Let's cut to the chase.

Any here without sin?

Any here who would meet God face -to-face and treat Him as our fellow bloggers are being treated?

Any who want to want to lead the lost lamb to the comfort of the barn or are we all stocking up on mint jelly?

The way I heard it,none of us are perfect.

We all need redemption and we all need to try to support one another instead of just promoting our opinions.

It's one thing to try to help someone avoid a pitfall. It's another to work over time digging holes and sharpening stakes in hopes that someone would be unwary enough to stumble and fall.

Sorry I don't lie, cheat, steal, maim, or blaspheme. I have confidence, it isn't about self-centeredness.

Posted by Evil Monkey on Mon, Jun 30, 2008, at 11:12 AM

Evil Monkey,

The Pharisees were a confident group also. They, like you, thought they had no sin and therefore was not in need of a Savior. He stood in front of them and they never saw Him just as the Word is before you today and you do not see nor hear it.

You seem desirous of seeing a crucifixion much like them also. Why?

Parkerbrothers,

Jesus wept because of your ignorance. You stole, yet again use the 3rd grade tactic of avoidance.

The so-called POINTS you keep trying to make are pretty funny as you keep stumbling around to show how sinful I am. Keep commenting, it is hilarious to watch you squirm in your chair with discontent as you try to come up with something witty and original.

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Mon, Jun 30, 2008, at 8:15 AM

Evil Monkey,

I am not denying my ignorance but Jesus wept for other reasons. If you believed the Word of God presented in the Bible you would know why he truly wept.

I did not steal the information. The person I received it from used it in a sermon on the word "Judge". He is a contributer to Personal Freedom Outreach and receives their quarterly publications. They see the same uprising of people who want to use the word "judge" everytime someone points out a sin that is displeasing to God.

You are no more sinful than the rest of us. We are all born with the self centered human nature. That is a fact. Just as God has a wrath and anger toward the sin we all have is a fact. The difference between you and I relies on the fact that I believe in a Jesus that came out of the tomb and conquered death and is an attonement for my sins and you choose to not believe this and take your stand with denial and claim that Jesus did not rise from the dead and that God does not have a wrath and anger for which only a Living Jesus can appease.

I, too, have to get busy today and do not want to see you wasting time checking your lines on here. I suggest you troll on over to the other sites and drop lines there in hope of catching you something. It will be late today before you need to check your bait on here.

Jesse,

So why are you condemning Christians? How am I persecuting Christians, show me where.

Basically so, it is ok for you to steal, lie, cheat, kill, blaspheme, and you call yourself Christian? Oh my, the hypocrisy. You should really follow what the verses that you keep thinking pertain to me.

Parkerbrothers,

Jesus wept because of your ignorance. You stole, yet again use the 3rd grade tactic of avoidance.

The so-called POINTS you keep trying to make are pretty funny as you keep stumbling around to show how sinful I am. Keep commenting, it is hilarious to watch you squirm in your chair with discontent as you try to come up with something witty and original.

jesse sellers,

And you see why He wept.

It's funny how you twist this YET AGAIN stating God's wrath and anger when I am referring to Michael's HATE-mongering and FEAR-mongering towards certain classes of people. Your interruptation of what God has classified sin is thousands of years old. GROW UP.

Did you know it was illegal to post an article without permission or stating where you got it from? Did you know that was stealing? It even states that at the bottom of the page. Oh I guess that doesn't pertain to you. Right?

Michael,

"I will tell you that it is not cotton candy or fuzzy ducks, the church is full of that.

I will give you a hint , the first letter is S!"

Wow, What thoughts go into your head and even on a Sunday after Church, it must be the Holy Spirit filling you up, or was it the buffet? You're so Christian is makes me want to be JUST LIKE YOU!

Evil Monkey,

I received the beautiful article from a friend of mine and everything in it checks out as accurate and to the point. I hope people learn that they can not use the word "judge" everytime someone says something that does not sit well with them.

Calling homosexuality a sin is not nitpicking by no means either. Entire towns got roasted to the ground because of the seriousness of it and I sense there may be a repeat soon.

Revelation talks of the coming:

6And the seven angels which had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound.

7The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up.

AND:

5And the angel took the censer, and filled it with fire of the altar, and cast it into the earth: and there were voices, and thunderings, and lightnings, and an earthquake.

AND:

8Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.

AND:

8And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.

9And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.

AND:

18By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.

And some of you do not believe God has a wrath and anger??? Who has deceived you?

Michael,

Never said you were a troll. And answering a 3 questions and living a lie doesn't get you eternel life. You can't walk into church and praise jesus, then walk out and rob a bank just because you think you are saved. Just doesn't work like that.

Jesse,

What i just said above is called repentance. Not what you stated.

Copy and pasting lol, can you please come up with your own stuff?

Your source: http://www.pfo.org/notjudge.htm

I believe Michael is a false teacher therefore stood up to correct him; also, who seems to be nitpicking.

The surgeon uses the blade to separate the sound tissue from the dead that the diseased portion might not destroy the healthy parts.

The gardener divides clusters of plants that they might be spread over a greater area.

The baker splits the dough into several loaves and covers them that the good life within them might help them increase beyond their original source and that no toxic agent could poison them or hamper their growth.

The enemy seeks to cut us into small pieces he can devour easily.

The Lord divides that we might conquer.

Let us be careful about who is dividing and why.

Some of us may think that because we have not been bound to the tracks by a villain with a top hat and mustache that we can't be pushed off the platform by an innocent-looking bystander.

Some of us may think it is the Mounties' duty to effect such rescues and we'd just get punched out for making a commuter miss his train.

Some of us may hear a whisper suggesting that freight trains would not be a hazard if someone blew up the rails.

Perhaps,the safest course of action would be to heed the warning signs,check out the schedule,make sure you're on the right track,have your ticket in hand,leave behind any baggage you don't need and make a point to enjoy the ride.

Parker

Jesus said, I'am come not to bring peace, but divison. Father against son,and Mother against daughter --- ect.

I'll bet that one will cause some debate.

jesse sellers,

I, like you, am simply amazed at some of the comments from people. Where did they learn of such a God that they talk about. Satan must have published a manual for them that we do not know about.

Satan, not being content to be a part of God's Kingdom and deserious of having his own, has set up a rather large following here on earth of deceived followers.

He has taught them well. Let a Christian tell someone about the Savior that was given to save them from the wrath to come and they in harmony will scream "judge". He has deceived them into mis-using that word rather well. Just mention the impending wrath against sin and they again sing in harmony the word "hatred".

Things today are still a lot like then. The Word of God stood in front of them in the flesh and they would squeal. The Word is a Sword. A Great Divider.

rebelrose, you are one of the few that does not criticise and judge the others on these blogs. I respect you for that. We all have the right to disagree with others, but doing it in criticism is not the way as far as I am concerned. Why do some people think that is ok?

Evil Monkey,

Those 5 things you posted above from Michael. I positively believe those also.

parkerbrothers,

Actually you failed to mentioned that I have told "numerous" people. They listened, they understood, but you cannot seem to understand. You failed to allow yourself to read anything of what I said, instead you pick tidbits and twist them into your own fabrication. Over a year? Think you need to learn how to tell time, the blogs haven't even existed here that long. If you don't like what I comment, then you don't have to read it. Constitution works both ways and luckily it wasn't written by extremist zealots.

People know what I believe by my actions.

Lets looks at the so-called positive beliefs are you crediting Mr. Bell with:

1) Israel turned it's back on God and the rest is history.

2) Kudos to Tennessee for defining the only acceptable form of marriage as between one man and one woman and there is a bill in the senate to make that the law of the land , I pray it passes.

3) The main question I have , Is Obama a Muslim or not?

4) It is a shame to say that is still enough racism in this country that if elected how long will he stay alive.

5) As far as the homosexuals go , the color don't matter either , it is still wrong in my eyes and according to God , his to.

This is all about Fear and Hate; whether he says it is his or not why even bring it up? There are people that think outside of the box, they are not closeminded as you all seem to be. You push your beliefs so hard on people that they want no part of it because they know it is false. You just want the attention and in honestly, You might be committing the worst sin of all, and that is blaspheming Jesus and God with this type of talk.

And btw, you sir are the troll. And I really think you have some fantasy about me since you feel the need to follow me around on the internet stalking me and what I say. If I were gay, I would find it flattering.

This goes both ways, He is destroying someone else's views and he is destroying what someone else believes in.

Posted by Evil Monkey on Sat, Jun 28, 2008, at 6:34 PM

Evil Monkey,

He post what he positively believes in. You do not have to read it or respond to it negatively if you believe differently. You could just pull up lines and troll onto to the next spot.

Find something to believe in and positively tell us what you believe. I for one have heard enough of what you do not believe and would find it refreshing to hear of something you believe in.

For over a year numerous people have asked you to tell them about your Jesus and God you know and for you to tell them where you learned of them.

I have told you about mine so many times you say I am a "one tune" man. Play us your tune Monkey. We would listen to it with anticipation.

"Answer: Simply put, we have differing views. I would like to see you take your views and everyone who shares them to a place where you support (positively) what you believe in and not try to destroy (negatively) what someone else believes in. You are very good at condemning someone else beliefs but are lacking it stating and standing up for your beliefs."

This goes both ways, He is destroying someone else's views and he is destroying what someone else believes in.

And how do I lack in standing up for my beliefs? Do I lie? Do I maim? Do I decieve? Am I quick to anger? Do I condemn others whom I do not know? Do I go out of my way to strike fear and hate into others hearts? I want you to ask those same questions. I got out of my WAY to lead a good life, to be an example. And you try to vilify it because you believe the wrong things. My ACTIONS speak for me, I do not need to profess anything. Can you say the same?

Evil monkey,

You keep referencing a question on this blog I have not answered for you and I could not think of what question you were talking about so I went through this entire blog and found all your questions and will answer them one at a time below. If I have missed one please let me know so I can calm you down. Here goes.

Evil Monkey question 1: How about a nice heap of boo hoo?

Answer: No thanks, you can have it all.

Evil Monkey question 2: Why do you cry injustice when you feel your boyfriend is being picked on?

Answer: Don't have a boyfriend. As you should know by now I am repulsed at even the thought of homosexuality. You can have it all also.

Evil Monkey question 3: And what do you mean load your boat?

Answer: Simply put, we have differing views. I would like to see you take your views and everyone who shares them to a place where you support (positively) what you believe in and not try to destroy (negatively) what someone else believes in. You are very good at condemning someone else beliefs but are lacking it stating and standing up for your beliefs.

Evil Monkey question 4: Are you stating something that isn't true?

Answer: Not that I know of.

If I have missed a question of yours on here please let me know what it is so I can help you.

The Bible says only the Father knows the hour and day but "we" should know the season.

rebelrose,

If Christ is a Savior, what does he save us from?

Jesse,

Then why don't you stop sinning?

Michael,one thing you might have to deal with in your future congregations are people who stay so busy sniping at one another that they distract from fellowship and study much as squabbling children disrupt a classroom.

Even IF there is no true malice behind it,the energy spent on the gibes is that much that's not used to team up and accomplish positive things.

See if you can't find a place where people have gotten off-track due to a few attention addicts and apply your mediation and leadership skills to getting them to work in tandem or,at least.getting the people they drive off to hang around and participate while they do the dozens.

Deeds speak louder than words.

Cheryl has helped place pets.

Steve's people have gone home with plants as well as good information.

Let people see some projects you're involved in and they can join you in applying faith instead of just hearing about religion.

After all,we do a lot more toward keeping our hearts in good shape when we get out and play the game ourselves versus listening to commentators on the radio.

parkerbrothers...If you have God in your heart and your life like you say you do...Why do you always find fault with everyone that lives a different life than you ??? Why do you judge people??? God does not judge any of us...he loves us all...You can talk and talk about how some people live and you know that God does not like that..But you are wrong...He loves us all no matter what...Go ahead and blog me back and put me down and tell me that I do not have God in my life and I need to read the bible...It will give everyone else a rest from you putting them down while you put me down...But to save you some time I have God in my life and in my heart and he is so Happy that I love everyone and will help out anyone no matter how they live or who they love...I have no HATE in my heart like you and Mr. Bell....That is how God wants it...Love one another NOT hate .....

Still couldn't answer the questions. You don't even know what trolling is, why do you continually take it out of context. Oh wait I know why, You're ignorant and close-minded.

PS

Monkey Good to see you back in your usual form.

Nosey Monkey???

http://steinbring.net/blog/funny-looking...

Is it considered bad manners to go to different peoples blogs? I have been assuming all week that it was rude to ignore them if you any thing to say at all. If someone wants to take the time to come up with a subject, I assume they want a reply. However, I am new and do not know the etiquette involved in this situation. What is a troll exactly? I assume you are not referring to a traditonal troll as I would know it.

greasemonkey, I do not know if you calling my opinion sick will do much for either of us to more fully understand the others positions. I would have much rather you wrote exactly why you do think that comparison is sick, or asked me to explain why I made that correlation. I believe the two issues do have a lot in common.

As far as a Pandoras Box being opened, Yes it will, if you choose to took at that way. Things do change and future changes are dependant on the changes and choices made today, just like todays are a result from the ones in the past. I prefer to look at from the view point that a Pandoras box has been opened since the uncaused cause whatever that may be.

I do not know that we as a society can be much more dependant on our government than we currently are. I also do not think a democratic party run government could do much more to spend than our current administration and either Congress during the last 7 years. Either party has a fundamental basic agenda of privatizing public funds the way I see it.

jesse, I have re-read and I am of the opinion that 2-5 is still referring to the same person/people described in 2 1-4. To my understanding, the first chapter in Romans is directed at a group of people (likely fairly devout Christians) and is working them up, uniting them in their anger, pointing fingers at the "bad people". Then at the height of their smugness abruptly changing course and saying "Oh no, I am speaking of you". This ironic writing style is a great literary tool that was used several time in the OT as well. You can still see forms of it in movies today. Please tell me what you think. I am not trying to "trick" you, just want to know your opinion. There is no right or wrong interpretation as far as I am concerned.

Evil monkey,

By no means am I condemning you for trolling in every pond you could find. I actually think it is good you are so concerned with any and everything.

My intent was only to correct you on who was trolling all over the place and who casting and retreiving in their own little pond.

My apologies for any ruffled fur or tales bent out of shape. :)

WOW how unusual to twist it right back around to avoid the question. Anyone surprised? Haha.

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Fri, Jun 27, 2008, at 3:24 PM

WOW he still can not tell us what he believes in. Only what he does not believe. Anyone suprised?

Evil Monkey,

Sorry, I was just responding to "one" of your comments.

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Let me keep you occupied and pick another one:

"Why do people even fall for this crap? Stop feeding the trolls and they will stop eating this up. Simply put, he does it for attention."

Posted by Evil Monkey on Fri, Jun 27, 2008, at 12:02 PM

Your above comment aroused my curiosity. I knew I did not troll from one blog to another so I thought I would check to see if there was any truth to your comment and see if Michael had been trolling.

No, he pretty well stayed in the same lake of his but I did notice someone trolling almost all blogs on here and he had the same name as you. I would report it to the paper and have someone quit using your name evil monkey. They made it look like you had your nose stuck everywhere but between your lips and eyes.

Evil Monkey,

When you come to know a Living Christ you will never be a sad lonely man as you accuse us of being. I can see how that might be hard for you to grasp since your savior is dead and you really have nothing to believe in. That really would be lonely.

Why not try to develop a relationship with a Living Christ that will always be with you and never forsake you?

Evil Monkey,

I know why he does as he does and it is not for the attention. Who would want the attention of constant criticism and condemnation some of you heap on him. He has a mission and it is commendable.

The real question is why do you do as you do? You do not believe in anything. You disbelieve in nearly everything and condemn a man who believes in something. It seems you are the one in need of attention and want to load your boat. I would suggest you print an itinerary and list your Port of Call and set sail with all who wish to accompany you to your destination. Send a post card.

michaelbell,

As fast as things are esculating 2012 could be mid tribulation.

And it may not be, but I would not be suprised either way.

You know that the Four Horsemen will be coming with Hades behind.

Hades is another name for Pluto.

Where you find Pluto,you will find Mickey.

Ergo,the end times will be orchestrated by a global corporation offering a synthetic Magic Kingdom instead of our making the most of God's reality.

(Hey,it makes as much sense as a lot of speculation I've heard.)

I'd be more comfortable if people just bonded with God as individuals and let the welfare of the country and the planet be determined by the loving-kindness,courage,integrity and rationality that would be the natural by-products of that relationship.

I'm reminded of a small child that was fretful because she was trying to sleep while there was still sunshine streaming through the windows.

"There's too much light in here. We need to bring in some more dark."

Unfortunately for the devil,he can't bring in more darkness.

The most he can do is shut out some of the Light.

If we stop concerning ourselves with how much darkness exists and concentrate on generating light and increasing access to that light,then we'll discover that,in most cases,a little illumination is enough to help us see clearly and keep predators at bay.

(The less light we have,the closer we need to get to its Source.)

If we want to be able to function after nightfall,we can either try to get rid of all that dark or we can make sure we have plenty of Light,an unfailing Power Source,lots of shiny souls reflecting and amplifying that Light and that we are using our bushel baskets to hold our blessings rather than conceal brightly burning lamps.

Here's the way I look at it, with all the bad stuff going on right now in the world, it does seem to point to Armageddon. God said in Revelations there would be signs to look for. And sure enough things have been happening. This is from my Christian point of view.

As a Christian, I'd say we all had better start getting prepared. And before I step on anybody's toes or anything, I'd just like to say that while I am devout in my religion, I still respect the beliefs and opinions of others.

Basically who am I to judge; God's the only being that can do that.

As for this blog, I do agree with some of Mr. Bell's views. I do not believe that he is a racist OR a sexist either. Sexism really doesn't even have anything to do with this post.

Sexism is the discrimination of either gender male or female. But Mr. Bell has said nothing that even remotely could be confused with that issue. Yes, he DOES say that he does not agree with the homosexual preferences, but that is simply his opinion.

And as for the Obama issue....eh' best to say just don't get me started on that one. ;)

Well, I guess that's enough of my conservative ranting for today. lol. Take care everybody and have a good day. :)

Yes times change and also man's facts

Yes I believe Obama will be the next President.

Verse 5 of Romans-2 tells us all what will happen (IF WE DON'T CHANGE OUR WAYS.) I believe that is the main message Pastor Mike is deweling on.

Yes, you could call me a racist of nationality. If you don't want to be an American why come.

When someone comes into this country and wants to have it run like the one they escaped from I have a problem with that.

If theirs was that great why leave.

Pastor Mike

First time in history a Presidential candidate born American, raised and schooled in a foreign country embedded with there principals and doctrine.

Did he refuse to be sworn in on the Bible when he took the oath of office?

I have already expressed my opinion that the world is not so bad today compared to the past, in fact I would say we are better off on every single point you brought up. You did bring more to your comments today that I would like to reply to though.

As far as America spreading the gospel, Spain was also very interested and accomplished in the same objective, but they had ideas of empire. I wonder if there is a correlation. I am not saying that the priests could have cared less about land boundaries, I have faith most were just interested in saving souls. Without the priests though, Spain could not have been anywhere near as successful.

Tennessee is fighting a losing battle. Times have changed. It is easier for me to view the current debate in the same context as abolition, worker rights, suffrage or the civil rights movement. There were good Christians that opposed these changes. History has proven these well intentioned people were an embarrassment to their faith. I do not know why, but for some reason believers seem to resist change more than most, even when their position is based more on tradition than scripture.

I am also of the opinion that your thoughts regarding homosexuality have weak support from scripture, unless you are Jewish. I am sure you completely understand Romans 1, but I think you should reread chapter 2 right after. As I am sure you already know, chapter and verse are more recent additions to make such a large volume easier to study.

Now Obama, do you believe that a persons religious beliefs affects their ability to lead? Are you afraid that a Muslim will sell us out? Do you think the president has the ability to do whatever they want? The current administration is the closest thing to unaccountable as we have had in while, but you have to take into consideration the decades that the same people have been in power in many areas of government. Obama, if elected, will have a hard time changing much in 4 years. If that is really one of his objectives anyway. If I had to guess, I would say that he will win the election as a symbol to the citizens of this and other countries that our government has "learned their lesson", but nothing much will change. I also doubt the extent of the racism you mentioned. Most racists I know are either too old, or too uneducated to pull off a presidential assassination. You can bet that if he is assassinated that it will be by someone that couldnt care less about his skin color.

Finally just for the record, I do not believe any politician that has achieved so much has religious convictions at all. The two do not seem to go hand in hand. I would guess most politicians in positions of power worship Adam Smith more than any God.

You don't see skin color but you see the gender Wouldn't that make you a sexist?