http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kv8eiDvrH...

Obama... [obviously] The man was sworn in with his own Holy Bible, not the one offered by the Congress...

The only Congressman sworn into office on the Koran was Congressman Keith Ellison... Not Obama, just to keep that issue from rising.

Ok now that you have come right out and said who you are supporting I will ask.... are you implying that by voting for Obama one is voting against christianity?

Oh I know jaxspike...that is why I am so appalled by Michael. If you take abortion out of the mix, the Democrats are clearly the party of tolerance and compassion for fellow man. Your religion is warped if you think that Jesus supports war and intolerance. Vote for whomever you wish, but do not pretend to know which candidate God would vote for because both parties have their shortcomings. You religious sheeple better wake up and realize that abortion is not the end all of arguments. Our nation is bankrupt and our leaders continue to spend money on foolish endeavors that do not benefit the people of the United States while doing nothing to pay for it. I am witnessing the destruction of the American Dream first hand and it is tragic. Keep voting based on abortion, fail to realize that what is good for some is not good for all, and force your ideals on others; I can almost guarantee you that you will achieve the opposite of what you set out to accomplish.

If you are a Christain you cannot vote for anyone in a party that is pro abortion. The man voted against a bill to give medical assistance to babies who lived through an abortion. He basically just wants to throw them in the trash and let them die! God will not permit our country to florish if we elect this man!

abortion is a non issue. i dont think so.

I have yet to find a party or candidate that doesn't include one or more "dealbreakers."

If any of y'all know of a group or potential leader that has a 100% positive record (no sins of omission or commission),then point me in their direction.

Otherwise,I'm going to pray that I be led to the lesser of two evils and that ALL of us be helped to go beyond our flaws and limited understanding to do what's best for our planet,our country,our home towns and our families.

Nathan.evans if we all turn tail when people do something that is wrong according to the Bible (you might try reading one)we are not the Christain nation we profess to be. You have to make an effort to change the wrongs being done. If we had not fought the cival war slavery might be with us today. Abortion is murder I don't care how you spin it. We have to speak up against it. It's stupid people like you who don't realize how God has blessed us. God help you on judgement day. Read this.

This week, a YouTubed audio snippet of Barack Obama's defense of his vote against the Illinois state legislation that required medical providers to give normal life-supporting medical care to infants born alive during an abortion appeared on several websites. The news pundits researched the quote and discovered that not only did the audio come from the Chicago Tribune, Obama had made similar remarks in the Illinois legislature.

Here's the audio in print version:

Obama said: I suspect that doctors feel that they would be under that obligation, that they would already be making these determinations, and that essentially adding an additional doctor, who then has to be called in an emergency situation to come in and make these assessments, is really designed simply to burden the original decision of the woman and the physician to induce labor and perform an abortion.

Also found was a similar passage in the transcripts of the Illinois legislature. On pages 32-34 of the April 4, 2002 session, Obama debates the bill on the floor of the state Senate. He says essentially the exact same thing as he did in this audio passage above, but with a little more detail this time. Obama said:

The only plausible rationale, to my mind, for this legislation would be if you had a suspicion that a doctor, the attending physician, who has made the assessment that this is a nonviable fetus and that, let's say for the purposes of the mother's health, is being -- that -- that labor is being induced, that that physician (a) is going to make the wrong assessment and (b) if the physician discovered, after the labor had been induced, that, in fact, he made an error, and in fact this was not a nonviable fetus but, in fact, a live child, that the physician, of his own accord or her own accord, would not try to exercise the sort of medical procedures and practices that would be involved in saving that child.

Now, if -- if you think that there are possibilities that doctors would not do that, then maybe this bill makes sense, but I -- I suspect and my impression is, is that the Medical Society suspects that doctors feel that they would already be under that obligation, that they would already be making these determinations, and that essentially adding a -- an additional doctor who the has to be called in an emergency situation to come in and make these assessments is really designed simply to burden the original decision of the woman and the physician to induce labor and perform an abortion.

Now, if that's the case --and -- and I know some of us feel very strongly one way or the other on that issue -- that's fine, but I think it's important to understand that this issue ultimately is about abortion and not live births.

This passage is really remarkable for the willfully obtuse nature of Obama's arguments. By the time this debate took place, Jill Stanek had already revealed that doctors weren't providing medical care to infants born alive during abortions, at Christ Hospital, and a subsequent investigation proved that other abortion providers also abandoned such infants to die. That was the entire reason for the debate. Obama acts as if this is some curious academic hypothesis.

Instead of addressing the actual issue of infanticide, Obama twists it into a protection for abortion. He frames his own hypothetical as an abortion "for the health of the mother", but the circumstances of the mother's health has no bearing at all on whether a live infant should receive medical care. How would treating a live infant threaten the health of the mother?

And finally, as the original audio notes, the remainder of Obama's opposition rests on the "burden" of calling in a second physician to make an independent determination of the birth. The bill created that "burden", a procedure which would take very little time at all, precisely because the doctors at Christ Hospital and elsewhere threw live infants away with no oversight at all.

Nowhere in this argument does Obama say, "I oppose this bill because of its companion bill," the lame argument that has surfaced over the last 48 hours from Team Obama. He doesn't talk about the bill's supposed unconstitutionality. Moreover, during the presidential campaign, he said he would have supported the federal bill even though it had all of the same supposed flaws Obama argued against in this passage.

Obama protected infanticide in order to protect abortion on demand. Babies born alive during an abortion deserve medical support and assistance.

greeneyes: I do not want to see text copied and pasted from a radical website or e-mail that you received. Show me your source. As for your bible comment greeneyes, do not pretend to understand me or my studies. Trust me, you do not know me.

greasemonkey: Tell your statement to the mothers of children that were killed as a result of the war in Iraq and Afghanistan. Those are innocent women and children being accidentally killed and written off as collateral damage, not unborn fetuses that don't have the capacity to understand things like tragedy, suffering, and loss.

SO YES I SAY TO BOTH OF YOU WITH YOUR BLEEDING HEARTS FOR UNBORN BABIES AND YOUR FAILURE TO UNDERSTAND THE DOUBLE EDGED SWORD THAT YOU ATTEMPT TO WIELD... GET OVER IT!!

I feel sorry for the children and mothers of Iraq and Afghanistan. Its like you said they are accidentally killed and its horrible. I guess you think Pres. Bush personally goes over there and kills them himself? It breaks my heart that those people suffer, but is it not worse when someone intentionally kills a child, because they dont want them. Would you also like for us to release all the murderers out of prison, their crime is no different.

Nathan,

You really should email me darrick_04 at yahoo.com.

Greeneyes,

So how do you justify waging wars that kill hundreds of thousands of innocent people, who are as Nathan said, written off a collateral damage... and then being anti-abortion.

"Bush will save your unborn fetus and send your grown child off to war..."

And while we're at it....

http://tinyurl.com/yrf8tj

Obama claims to be a Christian, he stated that he does not believe that Jesus Christ is the ONLY WAY to eternal life , that disqualifies him right there.

People are not drafted, they sign up on their own free will knowing what might happened.

I am not saying that Obama is Muslim, but he needs to go back and reread the bible on Jesus being the only way and if you go by another you are a thief.

He follows that new age crap that Oprah pushes!

That is not the Christianity that the apostles followed nor I either.

Sure Bush might have jumped the gun but SADDAM IS OUT OF POWERAND I WOULD SUPPORT THE SAME FOR THE GUY IN IRAN TO.

The last days are getting here quick so be prepared for a whole lot of wars like the one of Gog and Magog and Armegeddon.

Look at what Russia is doing, Obama ain't ready by a long shot.

Then again with the restraints lifted off abortion with no stopping that, and total freedom on gays,.

with all the dead babies and same sex couples we won't have a army to fight anyway.

God , the Bible Mccain and Palin, the choice in O9 and beyond.

May God guide the voters to what is right and bring The Third Great Awakening!

Michael,

Two words. EDUCATE YOURSELF.

Guess what.. Homosexual couples won't cause more abortions! What a Revelation.

When did Americans become so stupid to argue over which pathetic choice of candidate is better.

-- Posted by jaxspike on Thu, Sep 4, 2008, at 9:30 PM

Since the beginning of politics.

I see gay marriage and abortion as issues that have no place in national politics. Religion is not what drives me. Sorry it just isn't. If that makes me a bad person in your eyes then so be it. I don't really care. Abortion and gay marriage are wedge issues designed to pull in a votes from those (like yourself Michael) that are strongly opposed and deeply spiritual. Seems like their strategy works pretty well, don't you think? Personally I wish that abortion was a state issue. I would vote for Republicans if they would actually follow through and make government smaller, lower taxes, and return power back to the states and the people that live in them. I believe that this is how the Framers of our Constitution intended America to be. I voted Republican in 1996 and 2000. Now in 2008 I feel that the Republicans had their chance and they totally blew it. They lost sight of what they promised America and I can no longer support them, regardless of my position on abortion or homosexuality.

The ReligiousTolerance.org web site offers some pretty good information, along with some other links about the new age movement.

Here's the link: http://www.religioustolerance.org/newage....

It's site is quite informative about a variety of religious organizations and belief systems, with their research documented.

You're welome, Nobody'sFool. I found out about the site a couple years ago and it's been pretty useful.

Guess what.. Homosexual couples won't cause more abortions! What a Revelation.

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Thu, Sep 4, 2008, at 9:18 PM

Guess what... You're wrong. Many a soul will be aborted into the darkness of hell because of unrepentant homosexuality. You read the wrong Revelation.

Keep us informed Michael.

THIS ELECTION WILL BE INTERESTING TO SAY THE LEAST.

When will the next one be due? Oh that's 2012, right.

The next four years could be very informative as to where we are headed in this country.

Go John Paul, mix it up with them.

This country needs a strong third party to shake up the other two. They seem to have only one thing in mind- power for their party, not what is good for American people.They will tell you what they think you want to hear, not what their real agenda is. I'am sorry I don't trust either one of them.

Could we be headed towards the prophecy of a One World Government?

Feed the trolls. And as Darrick stated from the beginning, Michael only posts his retarded notions for comment hits. Notice when I left and everyone else did his comments dropped to nothing.

If one person reads these blogs that satisfies me.

Em whe you evovle further, come back!

I could say you are as rude as some monkeys I have known , but that would be a disgrace to simians everywher

i am human, sorry for the mispelled words.

I welcome my brother and sister in Christ Jesus back.

"Good to see your all most back to normal Monkey just need to fine tune your insults a little more and you be fine."

Back to normal? I never changed. Don't need to either. Please be more original. At least I don't need to start controversy to make myself feel better eh?

Also, I am very much for Separation of Church and HATE!

Whether you believe the bible or not is of no consequence to God, you will be judged by it

Seperation of church and state!!!! I personally don't believe that abortions should me illegal because it is that womans body and her decison. If there will be judgement let that be done by God. Also as far allowing same sex marriage how is his hurting you?? Again let God do the judging.

Mr Bell, I'm being completely sincere when I say this- have you ever considered that people like you are the reason that so many people refuse to go to church?

I have friends who were raised in Christinity who have completely lost all faith, because of the hatred and intolerance of religious leaders and zealots.

How many people do you really think you can touch, if all you preach is fear, hatred and intolerance? If you believe that you've been called to spread the word, consider this- maybe you should start spreading some of the good stuff and leave the judgements for God to make.

Just a thought.

Michael,

Since the time of Christ some things stay the same. Some will always listen to nothing. I hope you keep the faith and move forward. Let the Pilgrims Progress.

11And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear you, when ye depart thence, shake off the dust under your feet for a testimony against them. Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.

12And they went out, and preached that men should repent.<------- !!!!!

I believe I would follow the instructions of Jesus above before I would Everybody'sFool.

Also, I am very much for Separation of Church and HATE!-- Posted by nascarfanatic

This is the only comment I've ever read on any of Michael's blogs that made me wanna shout AMEN!

-- Posted by Nobody'sFool on Mon, Sep 8, 2008, at 6:34 PM

Isn't it true though? If the Church would begin to be for something instead of against everything, then perhaps most churches would be considered more than just a building full of hypocrites. And the only time they are their brothers keeper, is to remind them of their "sins", while disregarding their own.

"No church should tolerate homosexuality or pediaphiles or couples who shack up or adulterers."

May I add Gluttony, Liars, and Cheats? Or is that allowed in your church? Probably eh?

Not only sad, but very common.... especially in this area.

Homosexuality is a sin, but according to the Catholic church, a priest who commits the sin of molesting a CHILD of the same sex, should just be shuffled around within the church, in order to avoid a scandal.

Surely you see the hypocrisy in this?

Posted by Nobody'sFool on Tue, Sep 9, 2008, at 10:15 AM

What the "Catholic church" does is not neccassarily what the "Church" is supposed to do. Furthermore just because a Catholic priest commits a sin of homosexuality makes it no less of a sin in God's eyes.

If every preacher and priest in the entire world decide to become homosexuals and all in harmony declare at once this afternoon that homosexuality is no longer a sin I would still get up tomorrow "knowing" it is still a sin. A sin of which repentance should be sought.

Sorry, I incorrectly posted the link earlier.

This is the correct link:

http://www.atlah.org:80/broadcast/ndnr09...

No, I actually read Ecclesiastes once, James four times and Genesis once during the time period in question if you are still interested in knowing my readings.

Which of "your" fairy tales and books of fiction were you engaged with? Snow White or Peter Pan?

Just picking at you nascarfanatic. Loosen up the left front. You are a little tight coming out of the turns and somewhat loose going in. Two turns on the right wedge bolt might help.