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7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: 7:25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. 7:26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: 7:27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it. Matthew 7:24-27 KJV With all these hurricanes and tornadoes and earthquakes hitting around the world it reminds me of a saying my grandfather always told me. "If you are going to build anything always start with a good foundation or it will surely not stand for long" Man was he ever right, until I used this principle all that I built fell. Life and country are the same way you have to have a solid foundation to stand on or it to will crumble. This country was built on a solid foundation which was the Ten Commandments and the bible which they are written. Marriage and family with a Father and Mother and children are a chief building block for which we were built now that is crumbling with the passage of same- sex marriages. Abortion is destroying children which God intended on being here! I was touched and deeply moved by John Mccain's speech this week and I believe with all my heart and soul that he got a vision while he was a P.O.W that he had a divine purpose and that was to lead this great nation back to glory, a nation built on the "Solid Rock". When in the days of Nehemiah the walls around the city fell , he said to rebuild they and they complained saying it was to much. Nehemiah told them to rebuild in front of their homes first . All of them did and before you knew it the walls were up and solid once again. First families need to rebuild and build on the Judeo- Christian principles that our forefathers built on. The family is the first block to build on, ONE MAN AND ONE WOMAN! The churches need to rebuild and get past the names on the door! Don't try to win souls to church , win souls to Christ! Get your home in order, then your church , then your neighborhood, then all else will follow. With a God fearing Faith professing man like John McCain and his partner Sarah Palin I believe this country can and get will solid once again. Not just in the physical sense , but in the morals and teachings of the Bible, the Holy Word of God! For if not, it will most definitely fall. Most churches of the present are failing at this, the only church they do is a worldly feel good sermon to get the tax- exempt status. Sin is Sin ,just because the world accepts it don't make it right To show how fair God is , he will judge you whether you believe in him or not. If America does not return to the solid rock which is Jesus Christ it will fall. Be Blessed! The Preacher Man! Comments Showing comments in chronological order [Show most recent comments first] |
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Wow and here I thought the foundation this country was built on was the Constitution. You are awfully quick to judge others aren't you?
"I was touched and deeply moved by John Mccain's speech this week and I believe with all my heart and soul that he got a vision while he was a P.O.W that he had a divine purpose and that was to lead this great nation back to glory, a nation built on the "Solid Rock"
I think he got a vision in the year 2000, after losing to George Bush in the primaries. He figured out that he could pander to the "Christian right" to get votes, and you are falling for it.
Remember what Mccain said in 2000:
"Neither party should be defined by pandering to the outer reaches of American politics and the agents of intolerance, whether they be Louis Farrakhan or Al Sharpton on the left, or Pat Robertson or Jerry Falwell on the right."
"Gov. Bush swung far to the right and sought out the base support of Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell. Those aren't the ideas that I think are good for the Republican Party."
Then he retracts that statement in 2006, saying this:
"I believe that the "Christian Right" has a major role to play in the Republican Party. One reason is because they're so active and their followers are."
Notice he's not talking about himself.
In 2000, John Mccain also criticized George Bush for speaking at Bob Jones University, a Christian fundamentalist school. He said they should "Get out of the 16th century and into the 21st century."
Then in 2006, Mccain said, "I can't remember when I've turned down a speaking invitation. I think I'd have to look at it. I understand they have made considerable progress."
It's amazing how much progress is made when elections grow near. Apparently, they went from the 16th century to the 21st century in 6 years.
John Mccain even changed his denomination.
John McCain grew up Episcopalian. He went to an Episcopalian high school. For at least 15 years, he has been listed as an Episcopalian in authoritative directories such as the Almanac of American Politics and Congressional Quarterly's Politics in America 2008. He told a reporter from McClatchy News Service in June 2007 that he was an Episcopalian.
Suddenly, in September 2007, he's campaigning in South Carolina, the heavily Baptist state where George W. Bush barely managed to stop McCain's presidential campaign 8 years ago. And guess what? McCain tells a reporter "By the way, I'm not Episcopalian. I'm Baptist."
Michael, I also recall Mccain rejecting the endorsement of a certain preacher you seem to admire.
Good stuff Richard..
I did not say John was a angel or even close , but I like his stance better than Barack's
"This country was built on a solid foundation which was the Ten Commandments and the bible which they are written."
I'm not knocking the 10 commandments, but wasn't this country actually built on the foundation of religious and personal freedom?
The Founding fathers and even before that were at least 90% Christian , there weren't no Buddhist or Muslims.
They wanted the freedom to worship Jehova God the way they wanted.
The phrase "seperation of church and state"is nowhere in the constitutin but in a private letter written by Thomas Jefferson.
If this country is not based on the Ten Commandments, why is murder and stealing illegal ?
Lying is considered wrong, adultery is still frowned upon.
Thomas Jefferson:
" The doctrines of Jesus are simple, and tend to all the happiness of man."
"Of all the systems of morality, ancient or modern which have come under my observation, none appears to me so pure as that of Jesus."
"I am a real Christian, that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus."
"God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are a gift from God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, and that His justice cannot sleep forever." (excerpts are inscribed on the walls of the Jefferson Memorial in the nations capital) [Source: Merrill . D. Peterson, ed., Jefferson Writings, (New York: Literary Classics of the United States, Inc., 1984), Vol. IV, p. 289. From Jefferson's Notes on the State of Virginia, Query XVIII, 1781.]
The majority of our founding fathers were Deists. The separation of church and state began when they refused to mention "The Church" in the constitution.
Nowhere in the Constitution does it mention religion, except in exclusionary terms. The words "Jesus Christ, Christianity, Bible, and God" are never mentioned in the Constitution-- not once.
The 1796 treaty with Tripoli states that the United States was "in no sense founded on the Christian religion". This was not an idle statement, meant to satisfy muslims-- they believed it and meant it. This treaty was written under the presidency of George Washington and signed under the presidency of John Adams.
Are you of the belief that relious freedom in the US should only apply to Christians?
No I believe anybody can worship [ or not worship] whatever or whoever they want!
False God or not, they have done it since the beginning of time.
I do however get mad when the other faiths get catered to while stepping on the Christians.
I get e-mails all the time about Christian's rights being violated.
You can go to AFA.net and see several of them!
michaelbell, Jefferson was fond of Christianity, but not exactly the same Christianity you adhere to by any stretch of the imagination. I seriously doubt you would consider him a Christian at all. I do wish you would check into it and let me know your honest opinion of exactly how you define his faith.
Different spans of time calls for different brands of Christians.
Jefferson and his time had their problems and they dealt with them.
Each century has it's own issues.
This country has gotten so far away from the Christianity that Washington, Adams, and even Jefferson practiced.
Witchcraft is acknowledged as a faith.
I suppose the matter of homosexuality and abortion will always be touch issues with some people , probably the same as interracial marriage[which I have no problem with].
Some people who grew up in that time still don't accept it.
This is why America is so great, we can feel whatever way we want towards whatever situation we want to.
I heard a comment on a talk show that "the Chriatianist of today were to rigid and needed to go away"
I am not going nowhere until my King calls me home.
I am putting on the complete armour of God and will fight the good fight and run the race till He says different.
People who commit heinous crimes like molestation, rape, murder and all other sorts are counseled and then are diagnosed with some name of disease I can't even pronounce.
In it's simple form they are evil and the devil is in them and they need Jesus Christ.
I do believe in the death sentence for their crimes and other punishments while on earth.
God will judge where they spend eternity.
God will judge and I pray he says "well done my good and faithful servant"
With the sacrifice and acceptance of Jesus Christ, I will have a home with him some day.
It seems to me that you have a hard time accepting that there are many millions of people of other faiths (or no faith at all) who also have the same basic core values as Christians.
For instance, most people in general are absolutely appalled by things like murder, molestation and rape. All non-Christains are not devoid of morals and values. That's why you shouldn't automatically assume that anyone's(political candidate or otherwise) thoughts and ideas should be discarded based on the label of their religion.
I mean, honestly, look at some of the scandals that have taken place inside of the Christian churches over the past two decades. Imagine if one of those Catholic priests who were convicted of child molestation had been running for office, before their crimes were discovered. By your way of thinking, a "vote for the bible" would have been a vote for them.
A lot of people hide under the guise of religion, because they feel that it makes them appear more respectable. I'm much more concerned with the way people live their lives during the week, than whether they show up for Sunday service at the local church.
I'm sure you probably feel that I'm attacking you and Christanity, since you've already stated that you believe the rights of Christians are being trampled. I'm not. As I've stated on your other blogs, I am a Christian. I have never once felt like my rights were being violated. Just because prayer isn't allowed over the loudspeaker at school, doesn't mean it isn't allowed at all. It most certainly is. Any person of true faith can pray anywhere, anytime they want to.
Once you start trying to force the state to incorporate church back into government, you open the door to have every other religion forced in there as well. You say that the US is technically Christian, because most of the people who settled here were Christian. If I were to agree with you, then I'd have to ask you this- if the local Hispanic or Somalian population were to suddenly become legal, would that mean that we would have to switch to Catholicism or start teaching our children from the Koran? That's why we should never, ever try to force this country to adopt one religion. One day, you might find yourself outnumbered. The constitution was written as it is for a reason.
One more thing. There are a lot of Christians out there who are absolutely opposed to the death penalty, and would question the fact that you support it, since it's techincally murder.
Do you not believe that the person who flips the switch is a murderer? And how is this taking of a life any different than abortion?
I'm not saying how I stand on either matter. I'm just playing devil's advocate. (no pun intended!)
You won't get an answer from him, unless it is, Because I have FAITH! Trust me, I have tried. None of the three sheeple have any real answers.
He has no real answers, he can't think for himself; it is always what or how someone else thinks or says.
I agree, and I honestly have to question my own intelligence for returning here over and over.
I think my main problem with your posts michaelbell is that you portray yourself as the one allowed to do the judging. You act like people who aren't just like you are hurting you in some way for their lifestyle choices. The key word is their it is their life and they should be allowed to live it their own way. As long as somone is not harming another then they should be able to live their life without the fear of persecution.
I am not doing the judging, just speaking the bible.
Whether a non-believer in Jesus shares the same core of values as me towards , homosexuality, abortion or whatever, if he or she has not accepted Christ as the saviour they are still doomed.
We all fall short of the glory of God, including me.
Paul was the chief sinner of all.
If you known the bible ,the death penalty is accepted.
If my kids were killed by someone, revenge would cross my mind and if I did it then I would be judged for it.
Nobody is supposed to be a stepping stone or to not fight for themselves.
So, what is the difference (morally) between a state funded death penalty and vigilantism?
I'm going to jump in here. I would have to say that morally there is no difference. The state death penalty is "legal" and my understanding is the death certificate states either homicide or murder as cause of death. A legal type person might be able to clarify that point.
Killing is killing, a piece of paper doesn't condone it. There is no difference whether God says it is ok either, Murder is Murder. I really don't see how someone can read the Bible and say one thing is ok, but then turn around and say it is ok 2 days later. Starting to remind me of Karl Rove.
EM,
I read the commandment "Thou shall not kill" in black and white, don't kill. I know that goes against the grain for capital punishment supporters, but so be it. This I know, my Lord and Savior was crucified on a cross under the then current "capitol punishment" laws and was innocent. I know in the grand scheme of things this was meant to be, but I believe if we as citizens utilize the death penalty and find out later the person was innocent we have no way to reverse the decision. We are not God and have no ability that I'm aware of to raise a person from the dead.
The commandment is definded as "thou shall not murdrer.
Pre-. mediitated or to lie in wait with the intent to kill.
That isn why killing in war is not wrong or the death sentence.
It was a King James translational mistake.
The Old Testament law commanded the death penalty for various acts: murder (Exodus 21:12), kidnapping (Exodus 21:16), bestiality (Exodus 22:19); adultery (Leviticus 20:10); homosexuality (Leviticus 20:13), being a false prophet (Deuteronomy 13:5), prostitution (Leviticus 21:9) and rape (Deuteronomy 22:24-25), and several other crimes. However, God often showed mercy when the death penalty was due. David committed adultery and murder, yet God did not demand his life be taken (2 Samuel 11:1-5, 14-17; 2 Samuel 12:13). Ultimately, each and every sin we commit should result in the death penalty (Romans 6:23). Thankfully, God demonstrates His love for us in not condemning us (Romans 5:8).
When the Pharisees brought a woman who was caught in the act of adultery to Jesus and asked Him if she should be stoned, Jesus replied, "If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her" (John 8:7). This should not be used to indicate that Jesus rejected capital punishment in all instances. Jesus was simply exposing the hypocrisy of the Pharisees. The Pharisees wanted to trick Jesus into breaking the Old Testament Law...they truly did not care about the woman being stoned (where was the man who was caught in adultery?) God was the One who instituted capital punishment: "Whoever sheds man's blood, by man his blood shall be shed, for in the image of God He made man" (Genesis 9:6). Jesus would support capital punishment in some instances. Jesus also demonstrated grace when capital punishment was due (John 8:1-11). The Apostle Paul definitely recognized the power of the government to institute capital punishment where appropriate (Romans 13:1-5).
So, basically, we are back to where we started. Yes, God allows capital punishment. But at the same time, God does not always demand the death penalty when it is due. What should a Christian's view on the death penalty be, then? First, we must remember that God has instituted capital punishment in His Word; therefore, it would be presumptuous of us to think that we could institute a higher standard than He or be more kind than He. God has the highest standard of any being since He is perfect. This standard applies not only to us but to Himself. Therefore, He loves to an infinite degree, and He has mercy to an infinite degree. We also see that He has wrath to an infinite degree, and it is all maintained in a perfect balance.
Second, we must recognize that God has given the government the authority to determine when capital punishment is due (Genesis 9:6; Romans 13:1-7). It is unbiblical to claim that God opposes the death penalty in all instances. Christians should never rejoice when the death penalty is employed, but at the same time, Christians should not fight against the government's right to execute the perpetrators of the most evil of crimes.
This answer was in some notes I had I thought it seemed fitting.
Pastor Mike
Your critics should read how God told Moses to handle a murder in Numbers # 35 :15-30.
He or she is to be put to death.
I'm as patriotic as they come, and my father was a career military man and served 3 tours of duty, but come on. I absolutely support our soldiers, even when I do not support the cause.
That being said, do you honestly believe that soldiers are never ordered to "lie in wait with the intent to kill"?
I have always been taught that the commandment reads, "Thou shalt not kill", not thou shalt not murder. I will not alter the passage, simply based on your word or a "translational mistake".
Also, according to the passage you indicated above (Romans 13)...
1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
So, am I to believe that you believe that the government is appointed by God when it comes to capital punishment, without question- yet you want to rebel against the government on the issues that YOU oppose, like abortion and same-sex marriage.
So, if Obama is elected, will you "resist the power" and go against the word of God? Or will you follow the letter of the passage that you just directed toward me?
Also, if we are to follow the government without question, then the founding fathers couldn't have possibly been as devout in their faith as you stated previously, because they not only resisted the government, but physically fought and killed in the name of freedom from their rule.
This is a perfect example of the point I've been trying to make. We aren't allowed to pick and choose which parts of the bible we believe and which parts we don't.
I am actually not opposed to the death penalty in many cases, BUT I do believe that it is murder and my opinion is mostly a knee-jerk response to the crime the person offended. At the same time, I'm very much aware that if I were the person who had to flip the switch, I would consider myself a murderer.
It sounds hypocritical of myself, but its actually not. It's just me admitting that I am not perfect and I do have certain opinions/thoughts that are probably sinful.
The difference between me and you, is that I am willing to acknowledge it.
Michael,
That was a very good explanation you gave. I think everyone should be able to understand it with the clarity you gave. Very good.
However, you have to realize there will be those that still make comments such as the one someone stated above that said "There is no difference whether God says it is ok either, Murder is Murder." As long as someone has that belief they can not be reached with understanding.
Nobody'sFool,
You evidently have not read Michael's blogs for long or you would know that he, just as you and I acknowledge we are sinners, admits he is a sinner as well. Just a few post above he stated "We all fall short of the glory of God, including me."
As long as we are in these bodies of ours we will be tempted and we will fall. However, I think the real difference between Michael and some of his critics is he will not allow himself to "live" in a sin and try to justify any of his sins as being acceptable before a God he chooses to love just because the general majority of any group accepts the sin as being "okay".
Nobody'sFool,
You evidently have not read Michael's blogs for long or you would know that he, just as you and I acknowledge we are sinners, admits he is a sinner as well. Just a few post above he stated "We all fall short of the glory of God, including me."
-- Posted by parkerbrothers on Wed, Sep 10, 2008, at 10:28 AM
Yet he never spends any time acknowledging it...
nascarfanatic,
I have seen his confession of being a sinner numerous times.
Some people however can read 4 sentences and only see what is in 2 of them, especially if only 2 of them agree with what they think.
Maybe you missed it also.
"As long as we are in these bodies of ours we will be tempted and we will fall. However, I think the real difference between Michael and some of his critics is he will not allow himself to "live" in a sin and try to justify any of his sins as being acceptable before a God he chooses to love just because the general majority of any group accepts the sin as being "okay"."
Then why is he fat and still fat? He has a year to shed them off since I showed him his sin through God. God told me to tell him.
Being "fat" is not a sin , what do you consider fat?
I am working and controlling my appetite , thank you, I have lost 6 pounds and am still losing.
Remember as a Christian I will not be judged for my sins for those were washed as white as snow.
I will be judged however for what I have done or not done for the Kingdom of God.
Which by the way I can do that fat or skinny.
Being "fat" is not a sin , what do you consider fat?
I am working and controlling my appetite , thank you, I have lost 6 pounds and am still losing.
Remember as a Christian I will not be judged for my sins for those were washed as white as snow.
I will be judged however for what I have done or not done for the Kingdom of God.
Which by the way I can do that fat or skinny.
Michael,
I would overlook the blind in reference to their above misunderstanding of the word glutton.
As all the seeing know a man could weigh 450 pounds and not be a glutton just as easy as an 80 pound man could be a glutton.
Until that can be understood they will never know what they are even looking at.
It is much like trying to explain to them how a blind man can see and a seeing man be blind.
It is humanly impossible to create that kind of understanding in all of us.
It takes another source.
Then why is he fat and still fat? He has a year to shed them off since I showed him his sin through God. God told me to tell him.
-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Wed, Sep 10, 2008, at 2:13 PM
And who is your god evil monkey? Tell us about him. Surrender your knowledge of his known.
FYI EM I have lost weight, besides that because I have accepted Christ as my saviour I won't be judged for my sins or the law.
I will be judged for what I did or didn't do with the time that I served Christ in the Kingdom.
I can serve him whether I am fat or skinny.
Since you can't stop me or change my mind , you want to start a personal attack I see.
I'm not sure I understand what you mean by this:
"... besides that because I have accepted Christ as my saviour I won't be judged for my sins or
the law."
Can you please elaborate? I'm not being sarcastic, but completely serious.
Read the Bible. It will explain it all.
Thanks, but with all due respect, I wasn't asking you.
Romans 14:10-12 says, "For we will all stand before God's judgment seat…so then, each of us will give an account of himself to God." 2 Corinthians 5:10 tells us, "For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive what is due him for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad." In the context of both Scriptures, it is clear that they are referring to Christians, not unbelievers. The Judgment Seat of Christ, therefore, involves believers giving an account of their lives to Christ. The Judgment Seat of Christ does not determine salvation; that was determined by Christ's sacrifice on our behalf (1 John 2:2), and our faith in Him (John 3:16). All of our sins are forgiven and we will never be condemned for them (Romans 8:1). We should not look at the Judgment Seat of Christ as God judging our sins, but rather as God rewarding us for our lives. Yes, as the Scriptures say, we will have to give an account of our lives. Part of this is surely answering for the sins we committed. However, that is not going to be the primary focus of the Judgment Seat of Christ.
At the Judgment Seat of Christ, believers are rewarded based on how faithfully they served Christ (1 Corinthians 9:4-27; 2 Timothy 2:5). The things we will likely be judged on are how well we obeyed the Great Commission (Matthew 28:18-20), how victorious we were over sin (Romans 6:1-4), how well we controlled our tongue (James 3:1-9), etc. The Bible speaks of believers receiving crowns for different things based on how faithfully they served Christ (1 Corinthians 9:4-27; 2 Timothy 2:5). The various crowns are described in 2 Timothy 2:5; 2 Timothy 4:8; James 1:12; 1 Peter 5:4; and Revelation 2:10. James 1:12 is a good summary of how we should think about the Judgment Seat of Christ, "Blessed is the man who perseveres under trial, because when he has stood the test, he will receive the crown of life that God has promised to those who love Him."
When I get to heaven and God looks at me and sees that I accepted his Son and that my sins have been forgiven then I am judged for what I did for him not against him.
This does not give us the right to keep sinning , though some think this, but we should strive to do the best that we can.
We all fall short somewhere.
If you want them I have some books you can have that were a great influence on me.
Just let me know if you do.
"Remember as a Christian I will not be judged for my sins for those were washed as white as snow."
And so what is the difference for the Homosexual Christians, Christians that Murder, the Christians that abort pregnancies or the Christians that send troops to a war that shouldn't have even been thought of? I guess that is different eh?
So now there is a different translation regarding King James (the homosexual) Bible about Thou shalt not KILL... So there is a difference? Killing, Murder, taking someone's life, it is all the same thing. IF you are going to be liberal over only your own beliefs, then you can't be conservative over someone else's beliefs too. You can't have it both ways... unless you're a hypocrite.
Call me what you will, but sin lies at the door for all of us.
We choose to do it or not,God won't send you to Hell! you choose to go there yourself.
Killing and murder is different!
Murder is premediated, killing is not.
If you are attacked and you have to defend your life and you kill the attacker,you won't be judged for that, if you repent.
To sin and say you have repented and kep doing the same sin then you have not repented!
And to be a practicing homosexual is a sin, but you can be forgiven for it like anything else.
Thanks, but with all due respect, I wasn't asking you.
-- Posted by Nobody'sFool on Wed, Sep 10, 2008, at 5:25 PM
Thanks, but with all due respect I was telling you.
Ok, So when the Israelites attacked those cities, that was Murder...
Great write Michael on the judgement seat. Also good on repentance.
The bible plainly states that there is a time for war in certain cases.
Nobody'sFool,
Sorry if my last comment came across wrong. Just clarifying that needing your permission to post on here is irrelevant.
Our mercy seat is Christ Jesus. Rom 3-:24-26
The Greek word for mercy seat means propitation for sin.
The mercy seat was the lid covering the Ark 4' 4 1/2" long by 2' 7 1/2" wide.
The ark represents Christ in his life. The mercy seat Christ in his death.
God's wrath toward man had to be appeased. Christ met God's demands by pouring out his life for us on the cross. 1st.John 2:2
Christ untarnished blood poured on the mercy seat consitituted the propitiation for sin.
The mercy seat conveys the thought of a finished work.
Jesus made one sacrifice for sin and death then sat down, because the redemption work for mankind was finished for God.
The rest is up to us by having faith in his blood, and changing the self centered ways we live.
Parkerbrothers- Actually, after reading several of your other responses, I believe it came across exactly the way you intended.
I never stated that you needed my permission to reply. I was simply pointing out that I was waiting for an answer from Michael.
Michael- are you basically saying that as long as your good deeds outweigh your bad, you won't be judged for the sins? Because honestly, that's not the message that I get from most of your other posts. In fact, far from it.
Like my title says I am getting to the roots of my faith, I am still learning myself.
Part of my goal is when Crossroads comes into existence I want to have a learning center to have actual"bible study".
Don't go in with a set of ideal's that are set in stone.
Sit down and discuss all the doctrines and come to a agreement.
As long as you believe.
Christ born of a virgin.
Died on a cross.
Rose on the third day.
And he is coming back.
We can discuss all the other from now rill doomsday.
Those 4 are not up for debate with me.
Acceptance of Christ wipes away all sins, if you commit, murder, homosexual acts, molestation or whatever else after being saved,I can't say for sure.
We can discuss it till we are blue in the face, and still not agree.
What happens after death is the journey we all take alone.
I come to new truths everyday in my studies and am not afraid to rethink my thinking.
Haha! Are you actually admitting that I may have made you rethink a little bit?
If so, then I'm actually a little relieved that I didn't keep coming back here and giving myself a headache for nothing. :)
I think that a willingness to listen and learn with an open mind is the only way that people can truly grow. I'm not saying that we should accept all types of behavior or turn a blind eye to child molestors and murderers. I just believe that in most cases, there is no black and white. We should never ignore the gray.
And sometimes, whether we like it or not, we have to face the fact that we have been led to believe things that were wrong.
Don't get to happy ,abortion and homosexuality and all the other diviant things are still wrong.
When I said I was still coming to conclusions on things I meant teachings on things like the flood and what we consider holy days and the original sin and other events in the bible.
jesse sellers,
That was a good post on the mercy seat, propitation and the needed appeasement for the wrath which was the delivered untarnished blood.
It made me think about how Christ immediately after the resurrection told Mary not to touch him since He had yet ascended to the Father and how that corelated to the forbidding of the touching of the ark of the covenant with the mercy seat before the incarnation of Jesus in the human flesh.
As Michael has tried to get across numerous times there is no other way except through the blood of Christ to appease the wrath of God toward sin.
Yes, there is a wrath that "has" to be appeased.
Anyone who claims there is any other way is an Antichrist.
What is the underlying cause for any post that starts or ends with a haha or a hehe? Reading all the "hehe's" and "haha's" makes me wonder what is the actual intent in someones heart from the start?
Do the users of such have a true desire to help others escape the wrath of God to be poured out on unrepentant mankind or are they actually self-centered and focused only on their short worldly life here.
I generally think of the use of either as making fun of another. What is to be made fun of when anyone is attempting to bring another to eternal life through an act of love?
Parkerbrothers- What is your problem?
Not everyone who laughs is evil. There was nothing in my post that was mean-spirited or that could be considered an attack. When I laugh my EVIL laugh, I'm quite positive you'll know the difference. Maybe if you didn't have such a negative attitude, you wouldn't perceive everything everone else says as an attack. I have not made one single personal attack, but you sure do tempt me to do so. Hmm. Maybe that makes YOU the antiChrist?
Have you become so self-rightoeus that you don't even know how to smile? I honestly feel sorry for you.
And Michael- way to back-peddle. "When I said I was still coming to conclusions on things I meant teachings on things like the flood and what we consider holy days and the original sin and other events in the bible."
We weren't speaking of ANY of those things. How in the world you made that leap, is beyond me. I now think that maybe my original assement of your inability to have an open minded conversation was probably exactly right on the money.
Hi PB, Just had to ask, if you consider it an act of love to the other, or just for oneself? It is a serious question that I have given much thought to, not a snide or insulting question. Is proselytizing an altruistic act or a selfish one?
Nobody'sFool,
I don't think I said everyone who laughs is evil did I? Actually I know I didn't. I just scrolled up and reread it. Sorry if you took it that way. Scroll back up and reread.
You were the first to assume evil in your laugh and mention it anyway.
Actually I was not even thinking of you when I wrote the post.
I actually smile all the time, especially when I think of the gift of eternal salvation. Not a bit of negative attitude toward it or most anything else. I constantly get asked why I have that ole grin on my face for like I think something is funny. My only negative thoughts come when I see the works of the devil using people to refine his methods of deception and they try to convince others that they too can eat of the tree and surely not die.
Hi PB, Just had to ask, if you consider it an act of love to the other, or just for oneself? It is a serious question that I have given much thought to, not a snide or insulting question. Is proselytizing an altruistic act or a selfish one?
-- Posted by memyselfi on Thu, Sep 11, 2008, at 10:07 AM
memyselfi,
Let me look up some of those words so I will know how to answer you. Be back shortly.
-- Posted by parkerbrothers on Thu, Sep 11, 2008, at 2:00 PM
memyselfi,
To fully understand and be able to understand your question I would have to know a little more about what you deem as proselytizing. In your question is the word lying in the transitive or intransitive state of verb?
Generally in either one though I would say that the question could not be answered without the ability to probe the heart of the proselytizing one brought into question. So I would say my answer to your question is it can be an altruistic act or a selfish act or quite possibly and more than likely a combination of both to some varying degree that only an idiot would spend much time trying to analyze or determine the actual percentages of it. What would be the purpose of study? How would the Kingdom advance?
Parker
You are a Good soldier for Christ, like me, you are still human with human flaws. Remember, I told you it would get nasty the further we journey down the road of life, satan don't believe the back of the book. He thinks he can change the out come!
Remember satan is the author of confusion.
We are just starting to experience the confusion. One the evolvement of self-translations of God's word. Keep your focus on Jesus Christ and He will guide you through the Holy Spirit. The Bible says He the (Holy Spirit) will not speak of Himself, but only what the Father says.
There are many interpretations of God's word -- some of them good, some bad, some off the wall, and many interpretations (by individuals) are done just to justify their actions (SINS). Some are out of sheer ignorance, also.
However you look at it, God's word does tend to get warpped, doesn't it? In the long run, I trust the masters that have studied the Greek and Hebrew translations of the Bible more so than I trust the feelings and self-interpretations of others.
memyselfi,
I know that altruistic concepts and theories are a hot topic of evolutionary psychology but I deem it a waste of time to study something only God can truly determine by only His gaze into the heart of any of us.
Rest assured, you will see a moment in time when the discerner of all will answer a question you asked today for you with perfection.
Until then I hope it comes a time when you realize that there are really only four key things to ponder upon with any effort:
The Birth of Christ
The Cruxifiction of Christ
The Burial of Christ
The Resurrection of Christ
Life can come only from these. The work of appeasement comes through these.
jesse sellers,
Well said on the confusion. The author of it will steep the rate of progression as the clock ticks down and he perceives the slipping of time remaining to perform his work.
Parkerbrothers- What is your problem?
-- Posted by Nobody'sFool on Thu, Sep 11, 2008, at 10:06 AM
Nobody'sFool,
Once I took a shower in the blood there has been nothing I can perceive as a problem. Everything that could be humanly perceived as a problem just became a matter of endurance, sustaining and passage of time till life begins for me. I am here for a purpose though that did not originate with me.
I think it is a very valid question. When you wrote, "What is to be made fun of when anyone is attempting to bring another to eternal life through an act of love?" you appear to be taking the position that it is not a selfish act. If, by performing these actions, a person is attempting to ensure themselves a place in Heaven, then the act becomes self serving and it takes on a different meaning. Dont you think? It does have far reaching theological implications. If you do not see them, I would say maybe you need to take a little time to think it over.
3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 3:21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
John 3:16-21
John 3-16 probably the most famous verse, but the ones after it are good to.
memyselfi,
I see where the confusion is at. The "act of love" I was referring to was carried out on a cross almost 2000 years ago.
If you do not see that "act of love", I would say maybe you need to take a little time to think it over.
It will change your life. It has turned many an aetheist into Christians.
michaelbell,
Every verse before it is good and every verse after it is good. Good came from good.
16 Stephens 1550 Textus Receptus
outwV gar hgaphsen o qeoV ton kosmon wste ton uion autou ton monogenh edwken ina paV o pisteuwn eiV auton mh apolhtai all ech zwhn aiwnion
Scrivener 1894 Textus Receptus
outwV gar hgaphsen o qeoV ton kosmon wste ton uion autou ton monogenh edwken ina paV o pisteuwn eiV auton mh apolhtai all ech zwhn aiwnion
Byzantine Majority
outwV gar hgaphsen o qeoV ton kosmon wste ton uion autou ton monogenh edwken ina paV o pisteuwn eiV auton mh apolhtai all ech zwhn aiwnion
Alexandrian
outwV gar hgaphsen o qeoV ton kosmon wste ton uion ton monogenh edwken ina paV o pisteuwn eiV auton mh apolhtai all ech zwhn aiwnion
Hort and Westcott
outwV gar hgaphsen o qeoV ton kosmon wste ton uion ton monogenh edwken ina paV o pisteuwn eiV auton mh apolhtai all ech zwhn aiwnion
Latin Vulgate
3:16 sic enim dilexit Deus mundum ut Filium suum unigenitum daret ut omnis qui credit in eum non pereat sed habeat vitam aeternam
King James Version
3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
American Standard Version
3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth on him should not perish, but have eternal life.
Bible in Basic English
3:16 For God had such love for the world that he gave his only Son, so that whoever has faith in him may not come to destruction but have eternal life.
Darby's English Translation
3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only-begotten Son, that whosoever believes on him may not perish, but have life eternal.
Douay Rheims
3:16 For God so loved the world, as to give his only begotten Son; that whosoever believeth in him, may not perish, but may have life everlasting.
Noah Webster Bible
3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only-begotten Son, that whoever believeth in him, should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Weymouth New Testament
3:16 For so greatly did God love the world that He gave His only Son, that every one who trusts in Him may not perish but may have the Life of Ages.
World English Bible
3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
Young's Literal Translation
3:16 for God did so love the world, that His Son -- the only begotten -- He gave, that every one who is believing in him may not perish, but may have life age-during.
17 Stephens 1550 Textus Receptus
ou gar apesteilen o qeoV ton uion autou eiV ton kosmon ina krinh ton kosmon all ina swqh o kosmoV di autou
Scrivener 1894 Textus Receptus
ou gar apesteilen o qeoV ton uion autou eiV ton kosmon ina krinh ton kosmon all ina swqh o kosmoV di autou
Byzantine Majority
ou gar apesteilen o qeoV ton uion autou eiV ton kosmon ina krinh ton kosmon all ina swqh o kosmoV di autou
Alexandrian
ou gar apesteilen o qeoV ton uion eiV ton kosmon ina krinh ton kosmon all ina swqh o kosmoV di autou
Hort and Westcott
ou gar apesteilen o qeoV ton uion eiV ton kosmon ina krinh ton kosmon all ina swqh o kosmoV di autou
Latin Vulgate
3:17 non enim misit Deus Filium suum in mundum ut iudicet mundum sed ut salvetur mundus per ipsum
King James Version
3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
American Standard Version
3:17 For God sent not the Son into the world to judge the world; but that the world should be saved through him.
Bible in Basic English
3:17 God did not send his Son into the world to be judge of the world; he sent him so that the world might have salvation through him.
Darby's English Translation
3:17 For God has not sent his Son into the world that he may judge the world, but that the world may be saved through him.
Douay Rheims
3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world, to judge the world, but that the world may be saved by him.
Noah Webster Bible
3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through him may be saved.
Weymouth New Testament
3:17 For God did not send His Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him.
World English Bible
3:17 For God didn`t send his Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world should be saved through him.
Young's Literal Translation
3:17 For God did not send His Son to the world that he may judge the world, but that the world may be saved through him;
18 Stephens 1550 Textus Receptus
o pisteuwn eiV auton ou krinetai o de mh pisteuwn hdh kekritai oti mh pepisteuken eiV to onoma tou monogenouV uiou tou qeou
Scrivener 1894 Textus Receptus
o pisteuwn eiV auton ou krinetai o de mh pisteuwn hdh kekritai oti mh pepisteuken eiV to onoma tou monogenouV uiou tou qeou
Byzantine Majority
o pisteuwn eiV auton ou krinetai o de mh pisteuwn hdh kekritai oti mh pepisteuken eiV to onoma tou monogenouV uiou tou qeou
Alexandrian
o pisteuwn eiV auton ou krinetai o de mh pisteuwn hdh kekritai oti mh pepisteuken eiV to onoma tou monogenouV uiou tou qeou
Hort and Westcott
o pisteuwn eiV auton ou krinetai o mh pisteuwn hdh kekritai oti mh pepisteuken eiV to onoma tou monogenouV uiou tou qeou
Latin Vulgate
3:18 qui credit in eum non iudicatur qui autem non credit iam iudicatus est quia non credidit in nomine unigeniti Filii Dei
King James Version
3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
American Standard Version
3:18 He that believeth on him is not judged: he that believeth not hath been judged already, because he hath not believed on the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Bible in Basic English
3:18 The man who has faith in him does not come up to be judged; but he who has no faith in him has been judged even now, because he has no faith in the name of the only Son of God.
Darby's English Translation
3:18 He that believes on him is not judged: but he that believes not has been already judged, because he has not believed on the name of the only-begotten Son of God.
Douay Rheims
3:18 He that believeth in him is not judged. But he that doth not believe, is already judged: because he believeth not in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Noah Webster Bible
3:18 He that believeth on him, is not condemned: but he that believeth not, is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only-begotten Son of God.
Weymouth New Testament
3:18 He who trusts in Him does not come up for judgement. He who does not trust has already received sentence, because he has not his trust resting on the name of God's only Son.
World English Bible
3:18 He who believes in him is not judged. He who doesn`t believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only born Son of God.
Young's Literal Translation
3:18 he who is believing in him is not judged, but he who is not believing hath been judged already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19 Stephens 1550 Textus Receptus
auth de estin h krisiV oti to fwV elhluqen eiV ton kosmon kai hgaphsan oi anqrwpoi mallon to skotoV h to fwV hn gar ponhra autwn ta erga
Scrivener 1894 Textus Receptus
auth de estin h krisiV oti to fwV elhluqen eiV ton kosmon kai hgaphsan oi anqrwpoi mallon to skotoV h to fwV hn gar ponhra autwn ta erga
Byzantine Majority
auth de estin h krisiV oti to fwV elhluqen eiV ton kosmon kai hgaphsan oi anqrwpoi mallon to skotoV h to fwV hn gar ponhra autwn ta erga
Alexandrian
auth de estin h krisiV oti to fwV elhluqen eiV ton kosmon kai hgaphsan oi anqrwpoi mallon to skotoV h to fwV hn gar autwn ponhra ta erga
Hort and Westcott
auth de estin h krisiV oti to fwV elhluqen eiV ton kosmon kai hgaphsan oi anqrwpoi mallon to skotoV h to fwV hn gar autwn ponhra ta erga
Latin Vulgate
3:19 hoc est autem iudicium quia lux venit in mundum et dilexerunt homines magis tenebras quam lucem erant enim eorum mala opera
King James Version
3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
American Standard Version
3:19 And this is the judgment, that the light is come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the light; for their works were evil.
Bible in Basic English
3:19 And this is the test by which men are judged: the light has come into the world and men have more love for the dark than for the light, because their acts are evil.
Darby's English Translation
3:19 And this is the judgment, that light is come into the world, and men have loved darkness rather than light; for their works were evil.
Douay Rheims
3:19 And this is the judgment: because the light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than the light: for their works were evil.
Noah Webster Bible
3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men have loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
Weymouth New Testament
3:19 And this is the test by which men are judged--the Light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness more than they loved the Light, because their deeds were wicked.
World English Bible
3:19 This is the judgment, that the light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the light; for their works were evil.
Young's Literal Translation
3:19 `And this is the judgment, that the light hath come to the world, and men did love the darkness rather than the light, for their works were evil;
20 Stephens 1550 Textus Receptus
paV gar o faula prasswn misei to fwV kai ouk ercetai proV to fwV ina mh elegcqh ta erga autou
Scrivener 1894 Textus Receptus
paV gar o faula prasswn misei to fwV kai ouk ercetai proV to fwV ina mh elegcqh ta erga autou
Byzantine Majority
paV gar o faula prasswn misei to fwV kai ouk ercetai proV to fwV ina mh elegcqh ta erga autou
Alexandrian
paV gar o faula prasswn misei to fwV kai ouk ercetai proV to fwV ina mh elegcqh ta erga autou
Hort and Westcott
paV gar o faula prasswn misei to fwV kai ouk ercetai proV to fwV ina mh elegcqh ta erga autou
Latin Vulgate
3:20 omnis enim qui mala agit odit lucem et non venit ad lucem ut non arguantur opera eius
King James Version
3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
American Standard Version
3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, and cometh not to the light, lest his works should be reproved.
Bible in Basic English
3:20 The light is hated by everyone whose acts are evil and he does not come to the light for fear that his acts will be seen.
Darby's English Translation
3:20 For every one that does evil hates the light, and does not come to the light that his works may not be shewn as they are;
Douay Rheims
3:20 For every one that doth evil hateth the light, and cometh not to the light, that his works may not be reproved.
Noah Webster Bible
3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
Weymouth New Testament
3:20 For every wrongdoer hates the light, and does not come to the light, for fear his actions should be exposed and condemned.
World English Bible
3:20 For everyone who does evil hates the light, and doesn`t come to the light, for fear that his works would be reproved.
Young's Literal Translation
3:20 for every one who is doing wicked things hateth the light, and doth not come unto the light, that his works may not be detected;
21 Stephens 1550 Textus Receptus
o de poiwn thn alhqeian ercetai proV to fwV ina fanerwqh autou ta erga oti en qew estin eirgasmena
Scrivener 1894 Textus Receptus
o de poiwn thn alhqeian ercetai proV to fwV ina fanerwqh autou ta erga oti en qew estin eirgasmena
Byzantine Majority
o de poiwn thn alhqeian ercetai proV to fwV ina fanerwqh autou ta erga oti en qew estin eirgasmena
Alexandrian
o de poiwn thn alhqeian ercetai proV to fwV ina fanerwqh autou ta erga oti en qew estin eirgasmena
Hort and Westcott
o de poiwn thn alhqeian ercetai proV to fwV ina fanerwqh autou ta erga oti en qew estin eirgasmena
Latin Vulgate
3:21 qui autem facit veritatem venit ad lucem ut manifestentur eius opera quia in Deo sunt facta
King James Version
3:21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
American Standard Version
3:21 But he that doeth the truth cometh to the light, that his works may be made manifest, that they have been wrought in God.
Bible in Basic English
3:21 But he whose life is true comes to the light, so that it may be clearly seen that his acts have been done by the help of God.
Darby's English Translation
3:21 but he that practises the truth comes to the light, that his works may be manifested that they have been wrought in God.
Douay Rheims
3:21 But he that doth truth, cometh to the light, that his works may be made manifest, because they are done in God.
Noah Webster Bible
3:21 But he that doeth truth, cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
Weymouth New Testament
3:21 But he who does what is honest and right comes to the light, in order that his actions may be plainly shown to have been done in God.
World English Bible
3:21 But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his works may be revealed, that they have been done with God."
Young's Literal Translation
3:21 but he who is doing the truth doth come to the light, that his works may be manifested, that in God they are having been wrought.`
In all translations it's good.
[Greek compliments of some software I have]
Oh okay, I see now. Sorry to have misread your statement. I will think it over, again.
Also, if we are to follow the government without question, then the founding fathers couldn't have possibly been as devout in their faith as you stated previously, because they not only resisted the government, but physically fought and killed in the name of freedom from their rule.
-- Posted by Nobody'sFool on Wed, Sep 10, 2008, at 9:54 AM
That is a very good point. What do you think about that, Michael? Are Christians supposed to obey the government, or should they disobey the government if it is against God's commands?
Obey the goverment until it crosses over to God's law.
The bible does say "to give unto Caesar what is Caesar's and give to God what is God's"
Your soul belongs to God not the goverment.
As far as I know the only group that takes that to the extremes are the Jehovas witness.
I actually do not see where our goverment forces anything that goes against God! Yet that is.
Romans 13:1-7 states: "Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and he will commend you. For he is God's servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing. He is God's servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also because of conscience. This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God's servants, who give their full time to governing. Give everyone what you owe him: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor."
That passage makes it abundantly clear. We are to obey the government God places over us. God created government to establish order, punish evil, and promote justice (Genesis 9:6; 1 Corinthians 14:33; Romans 12:8). We are to obey the government in everything - paying taxes, obeying rules and laws, showing respect, etc. If we do not, we are ultimately showing disrespect towards God, for He is the One who placed that government over us. When the Apostle Paul wrote Romans 13:1-7, he was under the government of Rome, during the reign of Nero, perhaps that most evil of all the Roman Emperors. Paul still recognized that government's rule over him. How can we do any less?
The next question is: "Is there a time when we should not obey the laws of the land?" The answer to that question may be found in Acts 5:27-29, "Having brought the apostles, they made them appear before the Sanhedrin to be questioned by the high priest. 'We gave you strict orders not to teach in this Name,' he said. 'Yet you have filled Jerusalem with your teaching and are determined to make us guilty of this man's blood.' Peter and the other apostles replied: 'We must obey God rather than men!'" From this, we can plainly see that as long as the law of the land does not contradict the law of God, we are bound to obey. As soon as the law of the land contradicts God's command, we are to disobey the law of the land, and obey God's law. However, even in that instance, we are to accept the government's authority over us. This is demonstrated by the fact that Peter and John did not protest being flogged, but instead rejoiced that they suffered for obeying God (Acts 5:40-42).
This is from a research tool I have for questions on the bible, I hope it helps.
But what to do when the Anti-Christ shows up, and the mark of the beast?
Pastor Mike
We have a brother in Alabama that is being persecuted because he went against government law. I'am speaking of the Honorable Judge Roy Moore of Alabama.
We are now starting to witness the consequences of another law of government going astray, which is telling parents how to raise their children.
Read God's law in Proverbs 13:24.
They slip them in one at a time and take freedom away with each new stroke of the pen and we submit without a question.
Interesting point on Proverbs 13:24 Jessie. The way the laws have slowly crept in has taken the control away from the parent at home, the teacher at school, even the school bus driver and slowly gave more and more ability to avoid and resist authority to the children that needed this guidance. I personally would not want to be either of the three in America today.
We have set back and allowed them to slowly creep in deceptively eroding the order of authority that was implemented by God out of love for the growing and absorbing child.
The proper guidance that is found in the Word says spare not the rod.
I wonder who the author is that promotes to spare the rod?
I actually do not see where our goverment forces anything that goes against God! Yet that is.
-- Posted by michaelbell on Thu, Sep 11, 2008, at 5:10 PM
One of the 10 commandments, "THOU SHALL NOT KILL".
Which I have noticed has been changed in the New International Bible to "YOU SHALL NOT MURDER". To be honest, to me this slightly changes the meaning of the verse, allowing possible exemptions on "HOW" one is killed.
THOU SHALL NOT KILL, means exactly that. But we have a "DEATH PENALTY", the Electric Chair, and Lethal Injection. Being that this is a legal Law, It could be argued that it is not considered "Murder", and their for not going against God's commandment. But with the Bible still saying "THOU SHALL NOT KILL" There is no way to argue that the Death Penalty is not going against Gods 10 commandments. As for the other 10 commandments the Govt. Laws do not uphold Gods' 10 commandments.
I am of the understanding that when the state enacts the death penalty, the death certificate reads homicide. If someone can clarify that please do.