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The Stage is Set for His Appearance
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The stage is set and the curtain is starting to raise , and the spotlight is fixing to shine on the next important figure in human history, The Anti- Christ. The timing could not be perfect for the birthing pains are increasing and all out labor is fixing to start. In Rev.10 verse 4 it speaks of the seven thunders, John was fixing to write , but was told not to . The time of the seven thunders are now and will only get worse.
THUNDER ONE in my opinion was September 11, 2001 or what it has become known as by the world is 911. This infamous act put the name al-Qadea into the minds of the entire world. This event opened up the sixth seal of the book of Revelation. Since 911 we have seen more rumblings from the "terror of war', as time passes the strikes of al-Qadea will be far worse than 911 was. At this time the rumblings of war coming from Iran will lead into greater global terror. Since then Venezuela has become a voice in war, North Korea is sowing its oats, Russia has once again bowed up to a power once again, for it is the nation spoken of in the battle of Gog and Magog in Ezekiel. Iran's version of Hitler has said the American empire is fixing to fall and Israel is surrounded by nations who don't want it there. Israel knows God protects it and if America would get back to God, his mercy would protect it.
THUNDER TWO in my opinion is the increasing destruction by earthquakes. Over a period of only two years, there have been over 40,000 deaths from earthquakes with several million people displaced.
According to the United States Geological Survey the earthquake and its tsunami killed more than 283,100 people in 2004 in what is known as the Sumatra-Andaman earthquake. God's word says there will be earthquakes in various places, it would be hard to imagine one worse than the one in 2004 , but they will be 10 time worse if not more.
THUNDER THREE in my opinion is the growing destruction from weather , floods, droughts, mudslides , food shortages because of all this and the increase of hurricanes and other weather disasters. 2005 was a
Record setting season for hurricanes. Katrina , his and the cost were estimated to be a 100 billion now has exceeded 200 billion, it will take years to get over this, but as each season comes in , more damage is done, Rita , and Ike just to mention two. With earthquakes, hurricanes, and all other natural disasters, it seems like that would be enough to turn people to or back to God, but sadly for some it won't.
THUNDER FOUR IN MY OPINION is happening as I speak and that is global economic upheaval. At least in times past we have always had the funds to rebuild and start over, but for how much longer?
The price of gas, food and just life in general, add to this the problem of trade deficits, money manipulation, volatile oil markets, and a list of other ailments like the world has ever seen.
The last three thunders are for a later blog for the Anti- Christ will appear and ease all the worlds troubles, but at what cost? Your eternal soul that is what cost. The time to get back to God is now , with no time to wait.
I will list 21 things to watch for as the curtain raises and the spotlight hit's the Figure known as the ANTI-CHRIST!
8:23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up. Daniel 8:23 KJV
11:36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done. Daniel 11:36 KJV I will just list the rest and you can research for yourself.
Rev17:11-12 Dan.11:4;Rev 13;16-17 Rev.6;2 13;2 2Thes.2:4 Rev.13;8 Rev.17;12 Dan.9:27 Rev.12 Rev.17:16-17 Dan .11:36-37 Rev 13;5 Ps.2 Rev .19 2Thes .2:10 Matt 24:15 Rev :13:2
All information is given by permission by the Holy Spirit and comes from the Bible.Stats on weather came from the bureau of weather.
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You know Michael, my preacher said something this last Sunday that makes alot of sense. "Alot of money and time has been wasted on predicting when the Lord will return." I have to agree wholeheartedly. It does not matter when , but that he comes. I am not being ugly, but you spend alot of time preaching we could be close to his return. I (PERSONALLY} think that your time would be better spent on teaching how one comes to know him. Christ may return any minute, but the time we have would be more precious if we lead others to him. We need to show others through the word and how we live our lives by it. We may not agree on many things, but I do believe that you have to admit, choose and believe that Christ is the only way!
jesuslives,
You are correct in believing "that you have to admit, choose and believe that Christ is the only way!"
That is the only way to escape the Wrath of God on unrepentant sin that Michael is warning about.
The sacrafice of the blood of Jesus Christ on the mercy seat is the only thing that will suffice as the appeasemnt.
It is a free gift offered to all of us who will accept it.
Wow why not just go stand on the square and yell the end is near
Henny-penny was picking up corn in the cornyard when--whack!--something hit her upon the head. 'Goodness gracious me!' said Henny-penny; 'the sky's a-going to fall.
i agree with jesus lives it is as if they focus more on predicting than saving souls. no one knows the end of time it could be tomorrow or 100 years from now the focus is to be ready when he comes back and try to save souls on Earth.
It would be more appropriate to spend time teaching people about the grace of God and how to get to heaven and of his love than to constantly dwell on the trying to predict the end of time.
1 Thessalonians 5:2 - for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night.
Only the Lord knows that day. That is why we should live our lives to be prepared every day for his coming.
amen sunshine 4
Even Jesus said that NO ONE knew the time of Jesus's return except the father. The study of end times if facinating, but it is more important to always be ready. It could be 1,000 years or it could be 10 minutes.
i agree with jesus lives it is as if they focus more on predicting than saving souls. no one knows the end of time it could be tomorrow or 100 years from now the focus is to be ready when he comes back and try to save souls on Earth.
-- Posted by adder on Fri, Sep 26, 2008, at 9:08 AM
adder,
I noticed you mentioned "try to save souls".
What would the souls need saving from?
I have a close family member who speaks of the end of days in a rather matter of fact way himself. Most have given up arguing with him on the subject, but I find it completely fascinating.
It is amazing to listen to his theories and suggestions gathered from current events, preachers, philosophers, the bible, and other religious materials.
Most people are quick to dismiss the author of such rants as either blasphemous or plain ignorance.
Blasphemy, I can't speak on, but ignorance it is not.
At the core of every one of these arguments is a tremendous amount of research. Misguided it may be, but that does not diminish the fact that hours upon hours of reading and reflection was poured into such a study.
I'm curious to know why people devote such a large part of their life to things that will never meet acceptance in the general public and that are, in the end, simply questions of faith and not substance.
I think it says a lot of the world we live in today. You can't go a week without hearing someone refer to the world being smaller and more connected. Maybe this fact, instead of empowering certain people, has made others feel smaller.
Taking something that brings you comfort, such as the bible in this case, and finding one part that peaks your interest and devolving an elaborate, self discovering set of beliefs is simply a way for this person to cope with the world around them they cannot understand.
I believe philosophers would call it hubris and psychologist would call it schizophrenia. But the thing that sticks out to me, is that not one of the several men and women who spend so much of their time and energy preaching on the coming end of times completely agree with one another.
Maybe this means that beyond the fact that they have chosen a subject so loved and so universal, such as modern religion, that these 'revelations' now make that heavily taught and studied material uniquely theirs, and theirs alone. It is much easier to come to terms and cope with our own manifestations.
Mike_10,
I really appreciate your post. It has given me a new perspective on this blog and why the author may be posting about Revelations.
When you warn kids about mousetraps or wall outlets or something hot or playing in the street, how do you do it?
You tell them the consequences of their actions if they do.
With eternity I preach the consequences of what will be done if you don't![accept Christ that is]
It should be obvious to that something of a major event is fixing to happen.
Is it just me seeing the bible unfold or am I just seeing things?
It should be obvious to that something of a major event is fixing to happen.
Is it just me seeing the bible unfold or am I just seeing things?
-- Posted by michaelbell on Fri, Sep 26, 2008, at 4:57 PM
michael,
Some can see it. Some can not.
Some can see it. Some are in denial.
Some can see it coming now. All will see it eventually.
Noah seen it coming and prepared. The rest either could not see it coming or choose denial instead. In the end they all got to see it. Some just had a little better viewpoint.
Be joyous for the position of view you have been given.
It is much easier to come to terms and cope with our own manifestations.
-- Posted by Mike_10 on Fri, Sep 26, 2008, at 3:31 PM
But denial is the easiest of all.
michaelbell,
Did you by any chance get to watch preacher Arnold Murry this morning? My wife watched him and told me that he answered an email about the rapture.
Preacher Arnold told the emailer that the word rapture isn't in the bible, which is true. He also explained to the emailer that God's children (all the Christians) are "NOT" going to be caught up in the clouds and miss all the trials and tribulations. Preacher Murry said they will remain right here on this earth to face the trials and tribulations, then they would have a lot of work to do here on earth.
Preacher Arnold Murry has just admitted on National TV, to believing one of the things I have already told all of you here in Bedford county.
Before anyone can preach and teach others and lead them to Christ, they must first learn how to feed themselves, then and only then can they feed the truth to others.
By reading His word you are feeding yourself. As you learn the truth you start understanding what is going to happen in the future and what you should look out for and watch for. We are not predicting the future nor the day that Christ will return. For all you people who only know what is taught to you in church, don't you think, we who read His Word, know that no one knows the day nor the hour Christ will return? Have any of you bible toters heard or read where Michaelbell has stated a day or hour? No! We can only reveal what we believe the Holy Spirit is telling us.
More and more TV Evangelists will be coming forward with more knowledge as time goes by that will back up what I have already revealed to you.
Thank you and God Bless you Unique Lies.
I did catch Arnold Murraury also.
I'm not too sure about all the predictions concerning the end times, but I'm not concerned about it. I've been scripturally prepared and spiritually ready to wake up in the arms of Jesus for quite some time now. No matter when it happens. Today, tomorrow or whenever. Are you?
Tattoos & Scars
No not me!
I am scared over His return. Jesus is returning not to forgive but to punish us for all we have done and not done on this earth.
When Jesus returns, all the countries will send their armies out to destroy this invader of earth. Just like the Scribes and Pharasees, our leaders will not want Jesus down here on earth upsetting their lying and cheating ways of running their governments.
When Christ returns the anti-christ will have taken over the world and all the world leaders as well. Only the true christians who read the bible for themselves will know who Jesus Christ is when he returns.
When Christ returns, you will be just as scared as I will be.
Two will be in the field, one will be taken and the other one left. Two will be on the roof top, one will be taken and the other one left. Two women will be grinding at the mill, one will be taken and the other one left.
(Here the one that is taken... is the one who Jesus' angel kills. The other one that is left... is the true christian.) Jesus is weeding His fields of the sinners so only the righteous remain here on earth to help while the dead are resurrected.
Christ will make the kings of the earth destroy the City of Babylon (My guess is... New York City, the capital of the world). Jesus, sweet Jesus is bringing many plaques with Him when He returns to punish all of us who aren't pure as snow.
Will you be able to stand fast while people are falling dead all around you?? Am I scared about Jesus returning... Hell yes I am!
-> And for all those people who have already died, they will not wake up in the arms of Jesus.
They are resurrected right back here on this same planet earth to be tempted by satan once again for a short time. Then God will destroy all those who follow satan along with satan by fire from heaven.
It is then that us people are judged and sent to the lake of fire or the new heaven or the new earth.
I WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND THIS... all this is not a prediction! This is what is printed in the Bible that must take place just like everything else that was foretold. I didn't make it up, it is in your Bible.
The Bible is very graphic and descriptive about the end times. It explains it all so everyone can read it for themselves and know what is going to happen.
The Bible explains:
what happens to you when you die.
What you do and can't do and why.
Where you go and can't go.
It explains the resurrections and who will be in the first one and who will be in the second one and why.
It explains what Jesus will be doing when He returns and the order in which He does them and who He does it to and doesn't do it to.
It explains who will be left alive on earth to help in the first resurrection of God and Jesus' saints.
It tells us who these saints are and why they are His Saints and what they will be doing. These Saints are the ones who will reign with Christ for one thousand years, not those who were caught up in the air to meet Christ in the clouds.
It is very specific as to who these people are who are caught up in the clouds, and they are "NOT" all the Christians (the church) like you have been taught for years.
PREDICTIONS? No! These things are all foretold by John and other apostles in the Holy Bible. When we try to explain them to you, you all want to hide your head in the sand or whine about Jesus holding you and telling you that He loves you and you don't have to be afraid.
I tell you these things to prepare you for what the two prophets will be teaching the people just before the people stone them to death. These two prophets will be explaining the Book of Revelation in detail and it will scare the people. They don't want to hear this truth about what Jesus is going to do in their lives.
No, these are not our predictions, but what is going to unfold in the future. We may be here, we may not be! If not us, our children or grand children or maybe our great grand children. We should teach them what is to happen after we are gone.
On the lighter side:
President Bush wants to inflate our troubles by saturating our economy with 700 Billion Dollars. $700,000,000,000 added to our existing money would make our money worthless in the world. Prices of everything will skyrocket. Only the "Rich" will make money. Presdident Bush wants to bail out the financial institutes and make the poor people (the middle class) pay the loan back. Just how anti-christ is that? If Bush wanted to help the economy he should lower the prices of everything back to where people can afford it.
I ran out of gas yesterday because my gas guage doesn't work. Luckily I ran out on a hill and could coast three blocks and stopped about 1,000 feet from a station. Only thing is, I had to get a ride home to get my gas can. What a bummer. I put $30 worth of gas in the tank. That gave me a grand total of almost 7 gallons. I am not going to pay $80 or $90 for gas to go to work and earn $100. I will quit working first.
And that is just one example. We are heading for a chaos in our economy like it is foretold in the Bible.
I sure hope Congress keeps turning Pres. Bush down.
This is why there are different denominations. Vanilla and Chocolate, it seems everyone interprets the Bible differently. I am ready to meet Christ whatever day that might be and I won't be scared to meet him. It will be a day of celebration.
I appreciate the book of Revelations but am not going to try to bring people to Christ by scaring the "hell" out of them either. If it works for any of you, that is great, but it is not my method of choice.
Amen sunshine4.
sunshine4,
So... if Jesus returned one day next week and President Bush ordered all the American troops, scattered around the world, to Israel to surround Mount Zion in Jerusalem and capture or kill this invader from heaven and His 144,000 strong army, you would just sit there quietly in your rocking chair and wait for the celebration to begin after Jesus Christ destroys all the armies that come against Him?
Before your celebration would begin, Jesus is going to make the kings of the earth destroy the City of babylon which will end all buying and selling and trading and importing and exporting and even the stock market.
Jesus isn't coming to get the good people. Jesus is coming to destroy the evil people who have sinned and the false teachers who have taught lies to deceive His people.
When Jesus is done there might be 1 million people, out of the 7 billion total world population, left alive, but I kind of doubt it. If you are left standing on this earth at that time you will spend the next thousand years with Christ. But if you are not alive at this time, you won't see Jesus for another 1,000 years or longer.
If you are standing here on this earth alive and well when everyone else is dead and the earth is destroyed, you will then have cause to celebrate.
Some nights I wake up praying as hard as I can and shouting His name "Jehovah" out loud because I see Him coming in my dreams. I don't run out and meet Him nor go out to shake His hand or get His autograph. I stand there and tremble and pray for forgiveness like never before and close my eyes and hope that He goes on past me without striking me dead. So far it has worked.
I am happy for you if you are able to get through this second coming without being afraid and wanting to celebrate with everything that is going to happen.
I don't tell everyone these things to scare them but to inform them. Seek and you shall find and the truth will set you free. If you know what is going to happen and why and how, you will know the truth and knowing the truth about them will make you free because you know what it is all about and have the answers. No one can trick you nor deceive you if you know the truth, even if it sounds like terror.
Did you by any chance get to watch preacher Arnold Murry this morning? My wife watched him and told me that he answered an email about the rapture.
Preacher Arnold told the emailer that the word rapture isn't in the bible, which is true. He also explained to the emailer that God's children (all the Christians) are "NOT" going to be caught up in the clouds and miss all the trials and tribulations. Preacher Murry said they will remain right here on this earth to face the trials and tribulations, then they would have a lot of work to do here on earth.
Preacher Arnold Murry has just admitted on National TV, to believing one of the things I have already told all of you here in Bedford county.
Posted by Unique-Lies on Fri, Sep 26, 2008, at 8:58 PM
Unique-Lies,
Before you get too wound up again you might want to stop and ponder about how much credence should be given to Arnold Murray.
I hope you do realize that he has been wrong quite a few times about his interpretations of Revelation.
Do you remember when he interpreted and predicted that the battle of Armegedon would start on a valley of an Alaskan peninsula on June 8th of 1985.
Do you remember back in the 1970's when he predicted the Antichrist would return before 1981.
I think there is more than a remote chance he might be a little off by "his" recent interpretation of events.
Furthermore I wish to add that is you would just allow yourself to come an understanding of the attoning and finished work of Christ you would not lay in bed in terror and dread the thought of seeing Him upon His return.
I am running to my blessed and loved Saviour at His return. I have touched the hem of His garment.
By Murray predicting the time showed he was wrong.
I don't know the day or the time I just see the signs same as a weather man.
I see the signs for a rainy day or a sunny day, a hot day or a cold day and prepare accordingly.
I prepare accordingly for the coming of Christ and if I am here for the antichrist I will prepare for him.
michael,
Well said. I also do not know the day or the time but do see signs that tell me what season we are in. I do not know what day the leaves will turn their colors but think we are in the season by some of the signs we are given.
Like you, I am prepared for His return and await my instructions. If He points to the East and say "Go there" I will go there. If he say "Come up here" it is up there I will go. It really does not matter to me what he says. What he says is and will be the Authoritative Word.
parkerbrothers/michaelbell
Oh wow! How macho you sound. At least a year or two before Christ returns with the 144,000 Jews on Mount Zion, the Beast and the anti-christ will be in power all over the world.
Your cash and your bank account will have been taken away from you and the only way you will be able to pay your mortgage, rent, bills or buy food... will be by using the mark of the beast or his name or number on your forehead or the back of your right hand.
If you accept the mark of the beast or worship him or his image, you can kiss your flesh and blood good by because your soul will go into the lake of fire, no exceptions. If you don't accept the mark of the beast, how you going to survive for 1260 days while you are waiting for Christ to return and tell you where to go?
Do you think the beast and the anti-christ will let you live and roam the earth as a free man begging for food and shelter until Christ returns? Do you think Jack Van Impe and Arnold Murray will be here with a food truck and blankets to feed and shelter the christians?
You will be on your very own. Mothers and Fathers will turn their children in to the authorities and sons and daughters will turn their parents in to the authorities in those last days.
How are you going to prepare for Christ when you haven't prepared for the anti-christ and Beast yet. If everyone is too damn scared to learn about the end times how are they going to prepare for what they know nothing about.
Oh yeah! I know. When the Beast and the anti-christ begins their reign of terror, Go to your local church and ask your preacher what you should do until Christ returns in say like 2 or 3 years from them.
As far as preacher Murray goes, I beleive very little of what he preaches, but now maybe he is finally learning what the bible has been saying all along. I will say this for him. I believe more of what he preachers than what comes out of the mouth of parkerbros.
Have you ever noticed that most of the people who are into all this predicting the end of the world claim to be guided by the Holy Spirit? If indeed, the Holy Spirit is guiding their thoughts, why do they have different views, opinions and philosophies.
Jesus told his chosen twelve that the Holy Spirit would guide THEM into ALL truth. Therefore how can there be any "new" truth? John 16:13.
People who make predictions and claim to have received the message from the Holy Spirit do a disservice to mankind. When their predictions do not come true, non-believers use that as ammunition against the very true word of God, the scripture, wherein everything you need to find salvation is contained.
Throughout time, since Jesus, people have used scripture to show how the end is near by the signs of prophecy. If all these folks were "inspired" by the Holy Spirit, why hasn't one of them hit the mark yet?
It really doesn't matter when, the question is, "ARE YOU READY?"
Some nights I wake up praying as hard as I can and shouting His name "Jehovah" out loud because I see Him coming in my dreams. I don't run out and meet Him nor go out to shake His hand or get His autograph. I stand there and tremble and pray for forgiveness like never before and close my eyes and hope that He goes on past me without striking me dead. So far it has worked.
Posted by Unique-Lies on Sun, Sep 28, 2008, at 12:56 AM
Unique-Lies,
I look forward to the day of His return.
Have faith and trust in Him and the trembles will turn to joy and an eagerness to see Him will come to you.
Only Satan himself would want you to feel as you do and not trust in the propitiation for your sins.
As Parker said, the key word is FAITH.
Heb, 11:6 "with out faith it is impossible to please God."
jesse sellers,
The key word is FAITH. Without it we have nothing. With it we have everything.
Faith is what had the correct righteousness imputed into Abraham. Abraham like me or you have no self righteousness in us. Righteousness must be imputed and it must be the righteousness of Christ, not our filthy attempts.
Only through the channel of Faith will the flow of Grace and Mercy be imputed into us and bring joy into our lives.
8But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
9That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
parkerbros/jesse
Without "Hope" your Faith is DEAD!
So in reality you need "Hope", "Faith", "Works" and "Belief" along with Love and Charity and of course the main ingredient the "Grace of God"!
You can not have faith in something that there is no hope of happening. So you need Hope first. Then Faith, but faith is dead without good works and works is dead without faith. Then you have to believe it while materialize before it does or you don't have faith.
But none of this is anything without the grace of God. It is by His grace that you have these other things to begin with.
Then we have the freewill thing.
Only thing is, God already knows everything. He knows what your choices will be before you make them, so He influences us to go down the path He chose for us. Just as the Bible tells us that God hardened the hearts of many people so He could make examples of them and make the people know He was the true God and the most powerful God.
The Freewill of the pharoh of Egypt was turned into a hardened heart beyond the pharoh's control
and he was made to refuse to release the jews.
We live our lives until the grace of God falls upon us and we search for the truth. SOme people never have this grace and must wait until they are resurrected to find salvation.
God can make us anything He wants us to be, just as the Bible tells us, without us being able to stop it from happening. Our freewill is controlled by God. If we refuse His control we fall out of His grace or worse. When that happens we no longer have forgiveness of our sins.
Jesus died once for our sins. We get one chance for forgiveness. Jesus comes in and it is impossible to sin. It is permanent if we don't willfully sin. If we willfully sin, Jesus leaves and the demon returns with 7 more demons worse than he is.
You are worse off than you were before. You can not walk with God and talk to the devil.
We live our lives until the grace of God falls upon us and we search for the truth. SOme people never have this grace and must wait until they are resurrected to find salvation.
Posted by Unique-Lies on Mon, Sep 29, 2008, at 10:43 AM
Unique-Lies,
By any chance are you trying to say that there is still hope for someone after resurrection if the head chopper theory of yours does not work out?
Jesus died once for our sins. We get one chance for forgiveness. Jesus comes in and it is impossible to sin.
Posted by Unique-Lies on Mon, Sep 29, 2008, at 10:43 AM
Unique-Lies,
1My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
2And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
John is referring to Christians. Jesus does not jump camp when we stumble or fall. He knows we all will fall short until we are changed in the twinkling of an eye and we loose this tent of flesh prone to sinful desires presented by Satan.
I've been wating for some to discuss when the Bear from the North shows up. Lets not forget him in this discussion he does play a big part in the end time event.
Most of you know where I stand in my beliefs otherwise.
Unique
Where is it the Bible that says we have just one chance at forgiveness. I don't remember the scriptur or understand it that way.
Not trying to be sarcastic just want to know.
As Christians we have accepted the sacrifice of Christ, that guarantees entrance into heaven.
Not if we sin but WHEN we sin we get repentance and it is wiped away.
Paul said of sinners he was the chief of all.
Remember when the ground was cursed for the sin of Adam and God made thorns and thistles grow?
Paul had a thorn[sin]that he wanted gone and Jesus replied"My grace is sufficient for thee"
Hus grace is sufficient for me also as it is for Marvin and Jessie as I'm sure along with every other believer.
God will be a God of wrath but to those that accepted his Son.
In John 3:18 for he that believes is Not Condemned, but those who believe Not are already condemned.
The redeemed will be judged on their work for Christ and given crowns and places to rule accordingly.
I know I preach a wrathful God, but only wrathful to the unsaved and the unrepentant.
When I am asked how I plead , I plead the blood and nothing else.
All judgement has been passed off to Jesus and I have accepted him and am more sure of my salvation than anything else I know.
Well said Michael Bell.
There is nothing more joyful than "knowing" the blood is sufficient. It is a joy unlike anything else I can descibe. It is a very soothing and calming joy that surpasses all understanding.
Psalm 23
1The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want.
2He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters.
3He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake.
4Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.
5Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over.
6Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the LORD for ever.
All judgement has been passed off to Jesus and I have accepted him and am more sure of my salvation than anything else I know.
-- Posted by michaelbell on Mon, Sep 29, 2008, at 6:27 PM
Michael,
Until a man comes to understand what you said he will never be released from trying to earn his salvation out of duty and freed to move on to serving out of love.
It is impossible not to sin according to all 613 laws of the Torah1
If you can go through life and not sin then maybe we should fall down and worship you as God, I think not because we all sin and fall short of the glory of God, that is why Jesus had to die.
jesse sellers
I have lost all my files I had on the bible and the answers to hundreds of secrets hidden in the Bible. I can only count on my memory now to recall where these answers are. The answers are all in my mind but the proof is in the scriptures. You will be able to look them up as easily as I can now.
First, only thing I have ever heard is the Bear represents Russia.
Now! If you have truly and honestly accepted Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior and confessed your sin to him and asked him to come in... you should have felt it when He came in. When it happens instantly, you know He has taken over your body and mind.
You will have no desire to lie, cheat, sin etc. You are sin free and have no desire to sin. The scriptures say you CAN NOT SIN when Jesus is within you.
It is possible to unknowingly sin if you don't know it is a sin. You can be forgiven of that sin at anytime after you learn you have committed the sin.
However, if you willfully commit a sin, you are doing it while God is within you. (This is a no no) God will leave your temple in a heartbeat if you willfully sin while God is within you.
When Jesus came in to you, He cleaned out your house (Body or Temple) of all the sins and bad things including the demon or demons you had inside of you. Bad Angels as Paster Michael Bell puts it.
When you sin deliberately God (Jesus/Holy Spirit) will leave you instantly and the demon that Jesus ran out will return and see that your Temple has been sweep clean but Jesus is gone, so he will go and get 7 demons worse than himself and they all 8 move into your cleaned out but empty temple. You are worse off than you were before you asked God to forgive you and come into your life.
You can read this in Hebrews 6:4-6
4 It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit,
5 who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age,
6 if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because[a]to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.
and Hebrews 10:26-27 (New International Version)
26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left,
27 but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God.
So you see, there is no forgiveness of your sins if you willfully sin. EVERYONE MUST be forgiven ONCE, but after you have been forgiven and tasted the fruits of salvation you can not sin again (knowingly or willingly) or you lose your salvation and there can never be another crucifixtion of Christ for your new sins.
I found this in the Bible. I hate the churches for not knowing this and revealing it to the people 2,000 years ago. Now thousands of people no millions of people never knew this could ruin their lives forever.
This part of the Bible doesn't apply to Parkerbros of course. He will always have salvation according to him.
Unique,
By no means am I trying to ridicule you but I wish you would stop and think about what you are saying. Under the scenerio you are presenting you would have to proclaim this head chopper you have never met as your Saviour. According to what you are saying he is your only hope. Only he can provide you with eternal life. Your eternal life lays in the hand of the Anti-christ????
What Christ done is not sufficient for you?
It was sufficient for God.
Why can't it be sufficient for you?
It appears to me the the cross was not enough for some, they will be the ones most likely to follow the antichrist.
If you can prove to me that you or anyone else does not sin , whether in thought or action then I will admit my false thinking.
Remember Jesus said , if you even think it you might of well as did it.
Paul said that only evil thought and desires come out of men and we all fall short.
The blood washes those sins as white as snow.
You will do your best not to sin, but you will fall short of that goal.
Whether it be in food laws or dress codes or length of hair or not picking up a bird's nest when found.
Do you still sacrifice/ do you keep the true Sabbath,do you keep all the holy days and festivals?
Do you stone people caught in adultery, homosexuality or fornication?
I think not!
No man can be or will be sinless, when you accept Jesus into your heart , your desire to sin will slowly leave you.
When I get the urge to drink[ which I used to quiet often] something inside tells me no.
When anger comes up , something comes up and says no.
Read 1 John 2:1
The devil is not even against God, but against man he is like the prosecuting attorney that points out our sins and faults.
Jesus is my lawyer and he tells the judge the blood and the judge says not guilty.
What Christ done was enough for me and his grace is sufficient for me.
I found this in the Bible. I hate the churches for not knowing this and revealing it to the people 2,000 years ago. Now thousands of people no millions of people never knew this could ruin their lives forever.
Posted by Unique-Lies on Mon, Sep 29, 2008, at 8:14 PM
Unique-Lies,
You have not found some secret that the churches do not know about. The "warning scriptures" of Hebrews have had more sermons preached on them than you could imagine. Fortunately most churches understand their meaning from knowing the entire gospel.
Just because the first church has not yet perceived your theory of "head chopping" does not mean they do not know about Hebrews.
It does not take long reading Hebrews to know that Paul was somewhere close by. You must understand the message of Paul which comprises half the books of the New Testament to grasp Hebrews.
Listen to the mature Christian Paul:
14For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
15For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
16If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
17Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
18For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
19For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
20Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
21I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
22For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
24O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
25I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
Paul experienced this joy I tell you about. Even after a beating he knew his joy that could never be taken from him.
parkerbrothers,
The people who are on the earth when the Beast and the anti-christ take over the One World Order and Religion will be the Last Generation on earth, but the First Generation to go through the Trials and Tribulations. If they survive the beast and the anti-christ they must next survive the second coming of Christ and the plagues Jesus brings on the last Generation. God is using these Trials and Tribulations to test His elete people. If they past the test they will become God and Jesus' Kings and priests forever.
All the people who die before the Trials and Tribulations begin won't be here for the test, so they must be tested later (after they are resurrected). Some people have never heard the word of God so they haven't been tested nor even given the opportunity to accept Jesus. These people will be given the opportunity to hear God's word and make that decision after they are resurrected.
So yes, parkerbros, many people will be given the opportunity to be saved after they are resurrected.
This would not include me nor anyone else who willfully sinned after being saved.
We were redeemed by the blood of Christ, but that means that God owns everyones Body and Soul. God now has the right to do with our body and soul as He likes because He now owns them, every body and soul in the world. He can send them to heaven or the lake of fire or whatever.
You should read your bible now and then and maybe you would know these things, or are you still reading revelation all day long.
Unique-Lies,
I think I will take your advice and go read awhile. I think I will read Romans tonight.
Try it yourself. It may cure the trembling and shaking you complain about at night.
I was asked to give some scripture for why I thought we were in the END TIMES, so to the one that asked me and for anyone else who wants to know here goes.
24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all [these things] must come to pass, but the end is not yet. 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
Matthew 24:6-7 KJV
3:14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God; 3:15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. 3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. 3:17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked: 3:18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and [that] the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see. 3:19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
Revelation 3:14-19 KJV
3:2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3:3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
2 Timothy 3:2-3 KJV
12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, [even] to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
Daniel 12:4 KJV
4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; 4:3 Forbidding to marry, [and commanding] to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. 4:4 For every creature of God [is] good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
1 Timothy 4:1-4 KJV
9:21 Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.
Revelation 9:21 KJV
13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who [is] like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him? 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty [and] two months. 13:6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
Revelation 13:4-8 KJV
1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith. 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed [it] unto them. 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified [him] not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the
1:2 But his delight [is] in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night. 1:3 And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper.
Psalms 1:2-3 KJV
2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. 2:2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
2 Peter 2:1-2 KJV
24:32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer [is] nigh: 24:33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, [even] at the doors. 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
Matthew 24:32-34 KJV
2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.
2 Peter 2:3 KJV
In closing these are only a few I could have mentioned, but to survive through these times you must have Jesus Christ as your saviour.
Anybody who tells you that there is another way is a false teacher and will serve the antichrist.
13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who [is] like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him? 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty [and] two months. 13:6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world
Unless the trembling and shaking is coming from that crackpipe Evil Monkey told you to put away some time ago.
I have heard it too will cause a lot trembling and shaking at night???
That last one was for Unique out of concern for his well being.
1:31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
Romans 1:31 KJV
3:3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
2 Timothy 3:3 KJV
1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith. 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed [it] unto them. 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified [him] not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in [their] knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 1:30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 1:31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
Romans 1:17-32 KJV
In case you thought I have had change of heart on the subjects of abortion and homosexuility , think again.
It also says that he will combine the world's political religious and economic systems in Rev;13 4-8 and 16 and 17 and 17:1-18 and 18 1-24 , if this dont open you eyes then you are willing to stay blind
I detest it so much I mispelled it it should be homosexuality.
michaelbell, We have already looked at Romans 1 and I do wish you would not stop reading or posting where you left off, but continue for a while. It reads somewhat differently when viewed as a whole with chapter 2. Chapter and verse are not set in stone and are later additions. In this particular instance they are detrimental to the message. It is outlining many evils, but it is mainly pointing to one much worse that I hope you detest even more than homosexuality.
I believe Doctor Bell has struck a nerve.
Me? Exposed nerves? I actually wish I had a few. That just might motivate me to be a little more passionate about something. I was just pointing out again that this story does not end there. How do you read it PB?
Quite naturally it does not end there nor will it begin here. The story started before time began and has no end.
Much like a refectly printed circle. It is irrelevant and wasted time to wonder where it starts and where it ends. Allow yourself to see what is inside the circle and you have found the friend.
memyselfi,
Parkerbrothers and crew only read what they want to read any of the other stuff you point out in the Bible that my contradict "has other meaning or is translated wrong". But if you say something that makes common sense to them, it translated wrong... or the meaning is skewed...
Basically their going to hell for false teachings and there is no point in even trying to show them the truth because they want to go to hell and serve their master.
EM, I don't know about that. It is very hard to let go of prejudice and pride that have been instilled into us since we had the ability to comprehend. I imagine most of us have difficulty coming to a different understanding about anything that we believe. I know for a fact that I do. I just hope that when reading this book at some later time that PB and Michael will both try to accept the message being given, or to be fair, the message that I get from it, as I may be completely wrong about the text. I am not in a hurry to hear their response, or even know that there was one. I just feel obligated to point it out and hope that some day they will at least see my side, even if they do not agree.
memyselfi,
Just exactly what is the message being given?
Evil Monkey,
Another batch of green bananas?
Maybe he is reaching the next step of evolution or something.
PB, You tell me what you think it means. That is the only thing that matters. I have written what I thought about this several months ago, but I'll do it again in case you didn't see it.
I believe it is pretty clear in its condemnation of guilt by those attempting to assume the position of God, and by that, I mean specifically passing judgment on the sinners outlined above, and to me, is quite direct in its wording: Continuing directly from KJV Chapter 1:32 above (notice the "therefore" at the beginning): Chapter 2:1-
1. Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things. 2. But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things. 3. And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God? 4. Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance? 5. But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; 6. Who will render to every man according to his deeds: 7. To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: 8. But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath...
To my understanding, the second part of Chapter 1 is to be seen as getting the group excited about how so many people are living their lives in consuming sin (which by the way is still a literary and preaching tool used today), but then after building them up into a frenzy of Christian resentment and pride, turns the tables and points a finger at the very people who the epistle addresses, by telling the recipients that they are no better than those "other" people by living in the sin that happens to be consuming them. Actually, in the NIV, O man is, in this instance, "mere" man which I think is also very telling of the tone. I don't claim to know with certainty, but it is my interpretation, and I think a very good one. Either way, it is great writing for a couple thousand years ago.
memyselfi,
Quite frankly I am puzzled. You tell me with conviction what you believe about something you do not believe?
I agree with memyselfi's interpretation but it needs to go further. The first chapter sets certain standards of behavior and the second chapter points out that none are above these standards especially those who should be charged with upholding and claiming them as their own. However, I cannot see how it absolves or prevents the latter from judging those who transgress those standards because they are imperfect in perfectly conforming to them. If that were the case, the standards would be worthless because no one could be held accountable. Which is beginning to typtify our current state of affairs.
PB, I do admittedly doubt the divine inspiration of Paul, but why in the world would I doubt his writings, or their impact on the very society I live in? You appear to be implying that because I do not believe in the divinity of Christ, that I do not believe in the existence of the religion of Christianity. Is that where your confusion lies?
devan, Romans goes on to present a fairly comprehensive outline of Paul's theology and is a great read. It does eventually get to salvation and touches on many aspects. It is very likely Paul never met the members of the church in Rome and that his letter is, I think, best understood directed to a great mix of peoples with a gentile (Roman in this case) majority. The first part of Romans, in my opinion, is an attempt to get the group "on the same page" and away from the generic divisions that come from different lifestyles and previous belief systems. I think the message of the verses listed was not "everybody is encouraged to do whatever they like" but better represented as "No one is without sin, save God and we must be careful not to let our prejudices from our different life experiences encourage us to assume the role of God and divide us". It could be asserted (arguably) that the city of Rome was one of the most licentious places to establish an early church with a group of peoples particularly sensitive to homosexuality.
PB, I do admittedly doubt the divine inspiration of Paul, but why in the world would I doubt his writings
Posted by memyselfi on Thu, Oct 2, 2008, at 10:59 PM
memyselfi,
Below is the very first part of his writings in Romans. His writings establish his claim of divine inspiration of which you claim you doubt but out of the other side of your mouth you say insinuate you do not doubt his writings. ????
Again, I see justification to my puzzlement.
Would it be more appropriate to say you believe the "parts" of his writings that fit your desires of life better.
Romans 1
1Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,
2(Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,)
3Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;
4And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:
5By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:
6Among whom are ye also the called of Jesus Christ:
7To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.
______
PB, That is not an accurate representation of what I intended to relate to you. I do not believe that any of Paul's writings have any value over and above the correlation to current societal norms and perceptions. For example, I also enjoy reading other ancient near eastern mythology and attempting to understand how we have become what we are today, necessarily taking into consideration all of the major religious, philosophical and governmental changes humanity has experienced from the beginnings of the Neolithic and the very first city-states.
I also enjoy, when presented an opportunity, sorting out the nuances of Enki confusing the languages, Utnapishtim and the Flood, Marduk and the Tablets of Destinies in Enuma Elish and Ishtar in her Descent to the Underworld. All, like the Bible, offer great reading, and in my opinion, valuable philosophical insight.
I fear you completely misunderstand my general disposition regarding any of this discourse. In the end, it does not matter to me at all if you accept anyone or everyone based on their beliefs or how they live. While I would sincerely like to live a more contented and peaceful world, in the big picture, even figures like Hitler are forgotten and the atrocities of Alexander are lost to time. The only real purpose for my participation is its desired effect as a clarifier and emulsifier to my thoughts, with the hopes of some additional insight which I understand all too clearly are a complete exercise in vanity and vexation of spirit. The thing that had been done, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun. I do apologize if I sound overly pessimistic; I still have a terrible headache.
Sorry, I didnt bracket that last part, they are not my words, but I didnt figure I needed to point it out to you.
PB, That is not an accurate representation of what I intended to relate to you. I do not believe that any of Paul's writings have any value over and above the correlation to current societal norms and perceptions. For example, I also enjoy reading other ancient near eastern mythology and attempting to understand how we have become what we are today, necessarily taking into consideration all of the major religious, philosophical and governmental changes humanity has experienced from the beginnings of the Neolithic and the very first city-states.
Posted by memyselfi on Fri, Oct 3, 2008, at 5:55 PM
memyselfi,
The reason you can not reach the bar needed present an accurate representation to relate to me is easy to see.
As long as you view the writings of Paul as you do and place them in the same category of "other ancient near eastern mythology" you are wasting your time. I am unrelatable to.
Your time would be better spent trying to relate to other with views and beliefs much as your own.
A careful review of the archives will make available others like you that can relate to mythology and fiction. You are not alone. There are others who believe Paul is a fraud and Stargate is more believable than the Bible.
Perhaps you might find this better world you are looking for through their mystical rides.
PB, That is not an accurate representation of what I intended to relate to you. I do not believe that any of Paul's writings have any value over and above the correlation to current societal norms and perceptions. For example, I also enjoy reading other ancient near eastern mythology and attempting to understand how we have become what we are today, necessarily taking into consideration all of the major religious, philosophical and governmental changes humanity has experienced from the beginnings of the Neolithic and the very first city-states.
Posted by memyselfi on Fri, Oct 3, 2008, at 5:55 PM
memyselfi,
The reason you can not reach the bar needed to present an accurate representation to relate to me is easy to see.
As long as you view the writings of Paul as you do and place them in the same category of "other ancient near eastern mythology" you are wasting your time. I am unrelateable to.
Your time would be better spent trying to relate to other with views and beliefs much as your own.
A careful review of the archives will make available others like you that can relate to mythology and fiction. You are not alone. There are others who believe Paul is a fraud and Stargate is more believable than the Bible.
Perhaps you might find this better world you are looking for through their mystical rides through the ring of Stargate with them.
PB, There is no reason for you to be so defensive. I was not attacking you or Paul. I never claimed Paul was a fraud or intended to compare him directly to mythology that pre-dates the Judeo-Christian tradition. I reread my post and I admit it does sound that way though. The word "other" was not a good choice. The two have very few similarities in my opinion. Paul was several thousand years later and lived in a society not too unlike ours. The point I was making was that I do not worship Ishtar either, even though I am fascinated by the stories about her and find the same humanity and emotional turmoil that continues to this day in every society. I have read Paul extensively and I do not think he was a fraud any more than I believe you or Michael are frauds. I think he undoubtedly believed what he wrote in the same way people today believe God communicates with them, as evidenced by Michaels post Warning to the Church, which you can plainly see I didn't even comment on if you look. While I doubt the divine inspiration (I have to doubt that, remember I am an atheist) I have to accept without preconditions that when someone tells me they believe they got a message from God, that they do in fact do believe it. I also have friends that believe they saw ghosts or possibly angels and one that swears that he saw a UFO and does believe the stargate type of theory of seeding is a plausible explanation of our existence. (Just for the record, to me it just does not answer the ultimate question of the uncaused cause.) While I doubt the actual vision, I cannot doubt the belief or the extent of faith in that belief, no matter the content.
I could only communicate with people that believe exactly as I do (if I could find them), but where would the benefit be in that? By all means, if you do not want to reply to me, I would fully understand and not be offended. There are people that choose not to discuss religion with me. I do not mind, as there are many in this world that have weak faith. I would not want to be responsible for shaking it. The better world that I am looking for has very little to do with religion. It is however dramatically hindered by all the different religious views and the egotistical assumptions of orthodoxy arising from them.