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The Army of ChristPosted Sunday, October 5, 2008, at 9:46 AM
I want you for the Army of God, sign up is at the Cross!
Self-will and denial of a need for a saviour, they use drugs and all sorts of vices to feel good. They are known to go against God's laws for one man and one woman and practice unnatural affection for their own sex. They slaughter the innocent unborn babies of the world without batting a eye. They ridicule the ones who try to show them the right path to everlasting life. They worry more about themselves than their fellow man and they need to be reminded that it is never to late to come back to the one who created them. The place to sign up for this army is a place called the cross, for all have to come to it before they can be inducted into the army of Christ. There are several boot camps you can go to but beware, Satan has mixed his camps in with the ones of Christ to train his people up also. If the camps believe the following rules they are of Christ, they are as follows. 1:Jesus born of a virgin. 2:Jesus died on a cross. 3:Jesus resurrected on the third day. 4:Jesus is coming back. 5:Jesus done all this for me. If captured by the enemy and asked what you follow, these are you must give to your captor and nothing else. Denial will doom your soul, you may loose your life or cost your loved ones life in the flesh , but flesh is temporary, eternity is forever. After leaving the cross you will be given your armour which consist of the following. 1:Your loins will be girded with truth. 2:You will have the breastplate of righteousness. 3:Your feet will be shod with preparation of the gospel of peace. 4:The shield of faith will be your most important armour for it will quench the fiery darts of the wicked. 5:Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the WORD OF GOD. All of these must be used together one without the other will cause sure defeat and damnation. Next hook up with fellow soldiers in the local bases of operation for which there is all divisions. As long as they follow the code which I listed above, but still beware for some are so close to the truth it is hard to determine, pray to your general which is Jesus Christ and he will lead you. When man's soldiers go AWOL there is a big search and recover mission instilled to bring him back, God's bases needs to do the same when the soldiers leave , go find them and either bring them back or transfer them to a new base of operation. Boot camp never ends for as soon as you sign up for service you will be attacked constantly and the methods of attack change daily so constant training has to be given. There are no promotions or ranks in God's army for we are and always will be servants and slaves to the Lord Jesus Christ. There are positions for all whether it be preachers, Sunday school teachers, song leaders, youth ministers, prayer warriors, and several others to many to mention. After completion of service and the discipline of Jesus is met , the rewards are great. There is no other way except through the cross to start this service and there is no other leader but Jesus to follow. A new base will be coming soon called Crossroads and Jesus is looking for a few good men and women to come and lead the soldiers to the promised land. It won't be easy or a quick battle for the enemy is many and strong, but they only get their strength when we give it to them. If you want to sign up , go to the CROSS and accept Christ and then come join up, hope to see you there. Comments Showing comments in chronological order [Show most recent comments first] |
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Michael,
Do you personally know any homosexuals? if you do ask them if they believe that it was a CHOICE for them to be the way they are. If my husband and I had said our vows at a church but had not gotten a marriage license we would not be legally married in the eyes of the law. These same sex couples are only asking for legal rights not religious rights.
Also do you think it would be fair and just to make a woman give birth to a child that was concieved out of a rape?
Yes I do know several homosexuals and former homosexuals, you are know more a born homosexual than you are born a killer or arsonist or a rapist.
As far as rape goes , if you go back to my first blogs, in my estimation, rape, incest or death to the mother are the only reasons to have a abortion.
These are accepted reasons by the Jewish faith and have been accepted for a long time.
People who say that God makes everything and everyone the way it is or they are are wrong.
God does not create killers, rapist, child molesters, thieves, he did not create any of these, they are done by choice.
If you were going to church and ran out of gas would you say it was God's will? Or did you past several gas stations and not stop?
People do have freewil and they choose to be homosexual.
I read a article and once I find it I will post it.
A gay rights activist, mind you he is not gay just supports them, statedthat on extensive resaech they have not or cannot find a gene that makes one gay.
Was Manson, Jones, Gacy, Dahmer, Bundy or all the rest born killers. I think not they chose the path of Cain and let sin control them, we all might have tendencies, to do bad , but they have to be controlled.
Being "right" in the eyes of God means more than in the eyes of man.
http://www.narth.com/docs/istheregene.ht...
Here is one of the links , as usual it will be called bias, but the bible is called bias also.
Michael . . . I am sadden by the fact that like most ignorant people, you lump homosexuals in the same group as child molesters, rapists, and other deviants. If that is your theory then you would be lumped in that same category because a sinner is a sinner no matter what form of sin it is. If you want to believe that homosexuality is wrong then that is your choice, but don't come on here and spread your ignorance and hate as religion. I have a close friend who is gay and he is more Christian in attitude than you are and is always there if you need some help or advice. His homosexuality is between him and God and not you because last time I checked, you aren't the one who will be passing judgment at the end of time.
Unfortunately your comments on here have proven you yourself are not right in the eyes of God.
flat creek girl
Yes I believe bottom line it's a choice. We all are born with a cross to bear and to overcome or give in to it.(give in or fight it) It's our choice. I have seen to many over come their cross including homosexuals not to belive that bottom line it is a choice.
The unborn baby had nothing to do with the rape, why take it's life, and let the rapist live?
Let the culprit live so he may repeat his act because he also may contend he had no choice he was born that way. It was not a choice to him just a way of life that he had no control over.
flat creek girl I have to leave for now but will be back to reply to your answer.
Why punish the victim of a rape? I agree that it is not the childs fault but it is not the rape victims either.
Also if it was truly a choice why would anyone choose to be hated and ridiculed by people like you?
Your comparisons michael like always are off base.
Michael,
Look around you, we have a country in dire need of attention, wars and rumors of wars, and millions of families without jobs, health care, and millions losing their homes. You think God needs you pandering to this notion that homosexuals are on the same level of murderers? Look around you, Michael, get off you butt and organize a community effort to assist people in need, feed them, clothe them, help the Habitat for Humanity efforts... Those are things which we would surely NEVER see you doing, because offering hate and misguided fear while doing nothing to help those in need is obviously your idea of an Army for Christ. However, he is probably just as disgusted at your level of inaction than by your constant need to belittle fellow human beings for doing what you seem to find most difficult, loving one another.
That is all I will say, because we don't need another 100+ comment blog about your hatred and ignorance. Obviously, in times like these it is easy for you to belabor the point that you are in know way capable of loving your neighbor as yourself. There is a reason mirrors were created, take time to look into before claiming to know what an Army of Christ should look like.
First off , you don't have a clue, what when, and where I choose to do my work.
I choose carefully for ther are several false works out there!
As far as a baby of rape goes, maybe that chil does have agreat destiny, who knows? but it was not made because the rapist was born that way, he made a choice.
No I am not judging the person, just the act and don't want to see it made legal and acceptable as being okay in childrens eyes.
I don't hate homosexuals just the act and its acceptance.
Sin is Sin regardless, and I accept my faults and know I need a saviour to save me from them, Do You?
I have quit drinking, cusssing, drugs and several things that are deemed wrong by God and have been able to keep from doing them because of the Holy Spirit.
It is nice to do all those things for charity, but if the person is destined themselves to live apart from Jesus then it is all for not.
Remember when Peter and Paul were asked for gold they said they had none , but they offered Christ.
Give a man a fish, his hunger is satisfied temporarly, teach him to fish , he will always be satisfied.
You can call it hate, but I call it the truth, if it hurts I am truly sorry.
Please stop comparing homosexuals to devients the two are not related. No one said that a rapist was born a rapist. A homosexual is not breaking mans law or hurting anyone. Just leave them alone. They do not deserve to be belittled by you. After all what did they ever do to you, just because they don't live by your standards does not mean that they do not deserve equal civil and legal rights. Not everything is about religion.
No, I agree totally, nothing is about religion, but it is all about God!
It's funny how history has a way of making fools out of Christians who claim to know the mind of God. Sadly Michael is doing more harm than good here.
If it is doing harm to the evil one then it is worth it.
To know the bible is to know the mind of God.
Michael, your own words prove that you know what the bible says, but almost nothing of what it means. And if you think that you know the mind of God by reading the Bible, then you are seriously reducing God to your narrow point of view.
Also, Christians are not called to do damage to anyone. "Vengeance is mine, says the Lord" Christians are only called to love one another, especially our enemies. Calling people out for their sins is, in itself a sin. Why behold the beam that is in your brother's eye? We all sin, even you Michael. And every sin is as bad as another. Just because you don't commit the sins you call others out for, doesn't mean that your own sins are just as offensive to God.
You really need to humble yourself Michael. You are consumed by hate, and don't even know it.
typo - what I meant was that Michaels sins are just as offensive to God as those he calls others out on.
I agree, but if we know that abortion and homosexuality is a sin then why pass laws to help it gain strength?
I never once said I was sinless nor I ever will say that.
I still have envy, greed, lust, anger and others, but I control them.
I have plucked several beams out of my eye and an trying to pull them out of others.
I have been more humbled than you will ever know. I have crawled to the cross and begged for forgiveness and I have forgiven people for terrible things done to me.
I am truly humble, enough to know that I need a saviour to get through the times to come.
To use the phrase of Brother Marvin, "we have to remember what we were saved from.
I don't hate homosexuals and people who have had or perform abortions O feel for them and want them to know Christ like I do and to be spared from the oncoming wrath which he will bring very soon.
Your post belies the intentions of your heart, Michael - what you are promoting are acts of aggression, and fear. Not once do you talk of love, kindness, or forgiveness for your fellow man.
"Forgive us our transgressions as we forgive those who transgress against us."
Michael,Michael,Michael, when are you going to learn? While it is pointless to continue making points about the morality of abortion and homosexuality (opposing sides just talk 'past' each other anyway) maybe you should think of the issues a little differently, possibility from a practical view. Maybe for once you could stop putting God in his little superior box and stop imagining him spouting prohibitives at every divine breath or stewing in his eternal 'oncoming wrath'.
Is it possible that abortion and homosexuality have a place in the evolution in the optimization of our species? Maybe it was God's plan that within each generation a small percentage of our fellow humans are exclusively attracted to members of the same sex (built in population control maybe?)and sometimes even exhibit traits and habits of the opposite sex. If you consider embryological development it should be of no surprise as to all the possible ways sexuality can influenced 'in vivo'. Never mind that science has isolated AT LEAST one gene that determines homosexual behavior.
I consider abortion just another part of modern medicine. With genetic testing we can determine the existance of any disorder that would cause any degree of misery. Why shouldn't we as a society have a choice in terminating these pregancies. I believe that both of these issues serve a purpose in our existance, and refuse to believe they deserve God's condemnation.
gottago,
AMEN! I, being comfortable in my heterosexuality have always thought of homosexuality as a form of biological birth control. Nobody will ever appease these fear mongering 'Christians' as they continue to spout their intolerance for humans in the evolutionary perspective. Homosexuality has been around since the days of Noah, because it is not a disease it will never face distinction... and it is obvious nobody is being hurt, nobody is losing their rights, and nobody is losing their homes, their jobs, or anything to do with their own personal life, just because homosexuals exist.
It is merely a fear/scare tactic sent down from the deacons of the church to offset our minds from the issues that really matter... and onto who we can target next as unworthy of God's love.
You are so true it was around in the days of Noah and you see what happened in Sodom and Gommorah,
And it will happen again!
The flood was sent first, fire and brimstone will be next.
I consider abortion just another part of modern medicine.
-- Posted by gottago on Sun, Oct 5, 2008, at 4:45 PM
Hitler and others like him had some ideas about population control and the uses of "modern medicine".
Devan,
What an obtuse comment.
Hitler's aim was zenophobic. No one is even suggesting that. The point I am making is that with chromosomes swapping and crossing over and with genes transposing, mutating, and substituting, there are a myriad of genetic disasters that can and do happen. The cost of these is enormous, assuming that the fetus is actually viable and survives. Consider the burden removed from the individual, the caretaker, and heaven forbid, the taxpayer by quickly and painlessly terminating the pregnancy.
Yes, we have birth control methods and they do fail.But we are smart enough to be able to control our own over-population and abortion is just one of the innovations are society has produced.
So should we kill all people with birth defects or when they reach a certain age? Gimme a break !
Michael,
Just like you to over-simplify and to miss the point entirely.
I ain't missed anything it is all the same to me.
If they are not given a choice it is murder!
If my dying parent wanted to die because of a fatal disease then I have no problem with that, a unborn baby has no say in the matter.
Actually Hitler and his followers were more racist that xenophobic. However it was not their hatred that I was referring to, it was their methods. They not only pursued a genocide against the Jews their lack of humanity led them to perform horrible medical experiments in pursuit of their ends. Its not a big leap from terminating the genetically imperfect to terminating for the undesired sex or any other desired trait. While we're at it there are plenty of the incurably medically and mentally ill that we could eliminate and remove a lot of misery and medical expense from our society.
... and it is obvious nobody is being hurt, nobody is losing their rights, and nobody is losing their homes, their jobs, or anything to do with their own personal life
-- Posted by Disturbia on Sun, Oct 5, 2008, at 5:41 PM
Disturbia,
They are loosing everything that amounts to anything. Their soul. Do not be deceived and if you can not help being deceived at least do cover others with the deception.
AMEN! I, being comfortable in my heterosexuality have always thought of homosexuality as a form of biological birth control.
-- Posted by Disturbia on Sun, Oct 5, 2008, at 5:41 PM
I guess she is hoping someone will nominate that for the thought of the day?
Hate to tell her but someone beat her to it. They uncovered a stone plaque saying basically the same thing underneath what was Sodom.
Actually you could say her thought is just a spin off of a thief telling a judge he thought stealing was okay since it created more jobs.
flat creek girl
I agree she was a victum. Punish the culprit.
One: it is her child since it will be generic a part of her. If she does not want to raise the child put it up for an adoption.
Why create Two more victims? One when that person is aborted it will never have another chance for a life. Victium one.
The abortion will also make her a victim for a second time, but it will be her choice this time.
You asked why anyone choose to be hated and ridiculed. (I contend no hate has been shown from what has been said here just a way of correction.)
One: because to them they can self justify there actions and Two: it is self gratifying to them.
A decision about the way we live our life is always a choice. Good or Bad it is our decision not God's.
I ain't missed anything it is all the same to me.
If they are not given a choice it is murder!
If my dying parent wanted to die because of a fatal disease then I have no problem with that, a unborn baby has no say in the matter.
-- Posted by michaelbell on Sun, Oct 5, 2008, at 6:37 PM
Yet in your sentences above abortion is fine for those that have been raped. What about the choices there. Get real! What is your FACTUAL basis as to say someone is not born a homosexual? Maybe they are maybe they are not but how do you know? Explain the countless amount of people who commit suicide because they think being gay is wrong. You cannot make yourself look better in the eyes of the Lord by screaming and shouting from your computer how they are all doomed for hell. You, just like everyone is guilty of something . And you also said in a previous post you still struggle with some things, maybe your time would be better spent dealing with your own.
You, just like everyone is guilty of something . And you also said in a previous post you still struggle with some things, maybe your time would be better spent dealing with your own.
-- Posted by jesuslives on Sun, Oct 5, 2008, at 8:01 PM
AMEN...
jesuslives and stolen25,
Everyone unfortunately will struggle with sin in their flesh life.
The only difference is whether you choose to be in repentance or stay in denial of it.
There are also counless numbers that turn from the queer way of life and live happy.
It's always easier to blame someone else for our decisions. When we blame God, I don't know about that. I would be afraid to stand in front of Him and say,"God, it's all your fault, and none of mine. You made me this way."
jesse sellers,
I hope I am at least 3 clouds over when someone tries that excuse.
Parker
It will be interesting to say the least.
Yeah, but people like Michael Bell preach hate and fear to unknowning minds and then you have situations like what happened to Matthew Shepherd because people are told it is ok to hate homosexuals and I can not see where that is right. God is not about that.
jaxspike
Tell me of the hate you see Pastor Mike preaching. I've only seen him tell of a solution and a way out if they choose.
They can't stand before God and say they haven't been told. It a requirment that goes with his job. To tell the truth as God's word says. It is not promoting hate it's showing love and caring for a person soul.
Denial of sin is an interesting concept. Perhaps some of those who are living in sin are too concerned with someone else's splinter to understand and remedy, or even to acknowledge their own sin and seek repentance. It could be that their pride gets in the way.
The vengeful God you describe would surely not be pleased with the excuse of ignorance and blind scripture mining to justify sin either.
Burn the witches to save their souls?
Once again I stress I have members of my family, not close family who are gay, and I don't hate them.
But they know my stand on the issue and they accept it.
Even if my children were to turn out that way I would not accept it.
I don't hate them I hate the sin, there is a difference.
If it is a proven witch, the bible says to not allow one to live, I did not say it God did.
We all choose our own paths , I choose the narrow one.
Jesse . . . I guess you have a different definition of love and caring than I do. I have seen the damage first hand of what people like Michael Bell does and that is not God's work . . . and I refuse to back down to someone who uses my God to fan such hate and ignorance. I guess Michael is above God to go out amongst sinners and wash their feet like Jesus did.
Tell me of the hate you see Pastor Mike preaching. I've only seen him tell of a solution and a way out if they choose.
They can't stand before God and say they haven't been told. It a requirment that goes with his job. To tell the truth as God's word says. It is not promoting hate it's showing love and caring for a person soul.
-- Posted by jesse sellers on Sun, Oct 5, 2008, at 9:39 P
jesse sellers,
That is an accurate assessment. I actually think the fact that deep down they realize indeed that they will have to hear every warning someone gave them over and over again one day is what causes the squealing on here today.
It almost reminds me of children covering their ears while their loving parents are warning them about a danger that will come from enjoying the desires they want to participate in.
. . . and I refuse to back down to someone who uses my God to fan such hate and ignorance.
Posted by jaxspike on Mon, Oct 6, 2008, at 7:20 AM
jaxspike,
Tell us about this God of yours. What is his views on the subject Michael is warning about?
it is sad how one blog stirs some much conflict and anger.
The truth has a way of doing that.
34Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
35For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
The Word will clearly divide us.
but for Michael it is as if it is a mission to stir conflict and if he wants to preach do it on his own web site
I can throw verses too . . .
Ephesians 4:32
"And be ye kind one to another, tender-hearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you."
This is my favorite and Michael Bell and others that agree with him should adhere to this.
Luke 6:37
"Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned, forgive, and ye shall be forgiven."
I am not disagreeing that one should repent for this sins. But I believe that this is between the individual and their God. Since I myself am a sinner I have no right to judge or condem any one for their actions. My point is not a religious one it is a civil one. Do not deny people their civil rights for a religious reason.
Also to the above that if a rape victim does not want the child then she can give it up for adoption. She still has to carry that child from conception until birth. You tell a woman that she has to be reminded of that horrible event for 9 months and see if she feels that is fair?
You know Pb you sure like to be sarcastic. You of all people want to question someone about "THEIR" God. I have seen you change jaxpikes name on here to be something derrogatory. Tell me does God find that pleasing? By far am I perfect and I have many things i have to ask for forgiveness for, but I do not have to put someone else down to try to make myself look better. Maybe it works for you, but you will still have to deal with your actions sooner or later!
In all my blogs I try to stress that I am judging the sin, not the sinner.
Most of my blogs are intended for the "so-called Christians" who do not acknowledge sin anymore.
I speak for the aborted babies for they did not have a chance to speak.
If you want to be homosexual, by all means just do it, you can't be stopped I know that.
What I don't want to see is the same sex marriage ammendment made into law, or safe same -sex practice in school[ some schools are already teaching this].
I don't want people with Christian beliefs to be forced to cater to the homosexuals or transvestites and all the other sort.
I know that I would not give marriage counciling or do a ceremony for a homosexual couple.
Again, some are being forced to do it.
I want my kids taught the bible for what is right and wrong and that is the way they will be taught.
In the Greek "to condemn" means to set a fire to so I am not condemning and to "judge" I am not judging the person or group of people, just the act or actions.
We are commanded by the Lord Jesus, "Do not judge, or you too will be judged" (Matthew 7:1). On the other hand, the Bible also exhorts us to beware of evildoers and false prophets and to avoid those who practice all kinds of evil. How are we to discern who these people are if we do not make some kind of judgment about them?
We as Christians are often accused of "judging" whenever they speak out against a sinful activity. However, that is not the meaning of the Scripture verses that state, "Do not judge." There is a righteous kind of judgment we are supposed to exercise--with careful discernment (John 7:24). When Jesus told us not to judge (Matthew 7:1), He was telling us not to judge hypocritically. Matthew 7:2-5 declares, "For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye." What Jesus was condemning here was hypocritical, self-righteous judgments of others.
In Matthew 7:2-5, Jesus warns against judging someone else for his sin when you yourself are sinning even worse. That is the kind of judging Jesus commanded us not to do. If a believer sees another believer sinning, it is his Christian duty to lovingly and respectfully confront the person with his sin (Matthew 18:15-17). This is not judging, but rather pointing out the truth in hope--and with the ultimate goal--of bringing repentance in the other person (James 5:20) and restoration to the fellowship. We are to speak the truth in love (Ephesians 4:15). We are to proclaim what God's Word says about sin. 2 Timothy 4:2 instructs us, "Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage -- with great patience and careful instruction." We are to "judge" sin, but always with the goal of presenting the solution for sin and its consequences--the Lord Jesus Christ (John 14:6).
How could I judge against drinking if I did it myself?
I do like the attorney does, I point out the wrongdoing and people decide for themselves.
I only preach the word , the Lord does the drawing of the person and changing of a person if he or she lets them.
If we are not to judge, then why have laws and juries and jails, if there should be no right or wrong?
jesuslives . . . I haven't notice parkerbrothers changing my username to something not nice. Have I missed something?
I acknowledge sin and know it exists . . . I just prefer God to do the judging because he is the creator of all things and he is just and fair and without bias unlike you Michael. You are entitled to your beliefs and no one is denying that . . . but it comes to a point where you are denying others of their beliefs. Beliefs are taught at home and not at school and if you want to teach your children to feel that way towards people then fine but no way should you force that on to others. The things you complain about being denied to you are what you try and deny from others. Please tell me how civil unions or gay marriages change your beliefs or religion? Is your faith built on such a shaky foundation that such things would cause it to falter? If so, then maybe you need to work on your own faith before chastising other for what they believe.
Also, last time I checked I commented in English and not Greek so please don't change the meaning of words to further your ideas or argument. Your rants are a form of condemnation on people based on your perception of right and wrong and only God has the power to pass such judgment. Tell me, what right do you have to tell people they are going to hell?
That is the thing though Michael . . I have yet to see you point out someone's sin in a "lovingly and respectful" manner and deal with it in such a way.
The words have different meanings in Hebrew and Greek[ which the bible was written.
I do council people with their sins in a nice caring manner.
My gripe is with the system that wants to make it all legal and to make everything right just because somebody wants to do it.
My bible says that we were all going to hell, until Jesus that is.
If you don't point out what sin is, how are some people to know?
You will see in time how it affects a Christians beliefs when they we as preachers are told what we can and cannot say in the pulpit or being forced to do same sex weddings or ceremonies.
If you got into a car that had no brakes and I knew it , wouldn't you want to know?
We were all going to hell with no brakes, until Jesus that is.
I do not apologize for God's word and never will , like I was told by a old black preacher from my youth" it beez that way cause God said so!"
Michael,
You can't have it both ways, Abortion no matter what the reason is murder, whether rape, incest, or whatever you deemed worthy, You can't be against certain types of Murder.
Everyday you dig yourself deeper and deeper, you can't be a leader when you can't even make a decision by yourself. You can't be a leader if you don't even know how to comprehend the complexities of speech or thinking for yourself. You always read and believe everything you read the was written by someone else. You are so out of tune with your own heart and conscience you can't even believe what God really has in your heart. This is what I have been trying to show you all along and you cannot even believe in your own feelings. You cannot learn if you do not let it go.
Your health is getting worse, the stress is mounting on you and your family, money problems are getting worse, You can't seem to keep up with your life. So the only satisfaction you get is to piss people off with this hatemongering that you know for a fact is wrong and aganst God's Will. You will go to hell for this if you don't repent; you do understand that right?
My health is fine and my money problems are of no cocern to you ar anyone else!
As far as my way of thinking goes when God shows you what the laws mean and he defines them then you know what is right or wrong, you just don't take it at face value.
I have no desire to be a leader only a follower or "sheeple" as you call it of my Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ!
There is a difference between killing and murder!
If my family were to be attacked and the only way to save them was to kill the person or persons then that would be what would be done.
My family is of no concern to you, so do not bring them up.
I would rather go to hell for what I believe is right than to go for something the bible plainly states is wrong!
I don't deem murder either way, it is in the bible.
It says a life for a life and last time I checked a unborn child hadn't done any harm to anybody.
As far as rape goes, at least try to find a home for the baby if you do not want it before choosing the abortion.
The Holy Spirit guided the wtiters of the bible and I do believe it and if that seems stupid to you then so be it.
A person like you telling me that I don't know God's will is,or what God's will is,sounds pretty silly to me.
Well it could be said that someone's sexual preference and what they do in their own house is none of your business either Michael or whether or not they get married.
Also, the best way to lead people to God is to live a true Christian life and be an example. That speaks more than words on a website. Just because you have the ability to say you are a Christian on this forum does not mean you actually are. I can beat by chest all day and say I am a millionaire on here but in reality I am not. Don't just talk the talk . . . live it.
My life is a example, open for whoever to see.
Hebrews 3:4 Marriage is honorable in every respect;and, in particular sex within marriage is pure. But God will indeed punish fornicators and adulterers. CJV [COMPLETE Jewish version.
God made one man and one woman to marry and be fruitful, last time I checked, Adam and Steve can't do that nor Eve and whoever else of the same sex without the assistance of a male donor.
It goes against all laws of nature.
I do talk the talk and walk the walk.
As far as in the bedroom goes, what a married man and woman does is their buisness as long as both of them agree and it does not include children or animals or a outside party ,I suppose it is up to the parties involved.
I have seen you change jaxpikes name on here to be something derrogatory.
-- Posted by jesuslives on Mon, Oct 6, 2008, at 12:51 PM
jesuslives,
Have I missed something? I try to read everything a second time before I send it.
You of all people want to question someone about "THEIR" God.
-- Posted by jesuslives on Mon, Oct 6, 2008, at 12:51 PM
jesuslives,
It just appears his God is quite different from the one I know. More than anything I was just curious as to where he learned about this different God he was talking about. He might have it all figured out.
This is laughable. "Christianity" is a farce. There is no God and there is no Satan. We humans are the only ones responsible for the good and evil that happens in our world. BY attributeing everything good to God and everything bad to Satan we remove the responsibility from ourselves.
Fyi, drugs are not a "vice". The government and the citizens of the USA have no right to step in and tell us what we can and cannot do to our own bodies. Using drugs is a victimless crime, therefore it is not a crime, and all you christian fascists need to back off.
The judge and jury are for mans laws that is the difference.
The supreme law is God's law!
I'm not sure why I even bother to open these things. They never fail to leave me with a bad taste in my mouth.
Since I'm already here (and developing a headache), I might as well ask a question. What did you mean by this quote exactly?.....
"It is nice to do all those things for charity, but if the person is destined themselves to live apart from Jesus then it is all for not"
Destined?? Destiny implies that there is no choice, yet the basis for your entire argument against homosexuality is that we make our own choices. Destiny is a predeterminied outcome or course of events. So which is it? You can't have it both ways.
Also, you claim that you have family members that are gay and they know your opinion and they accept it? Is this truly accurate? I remember not too long ago that you posted that you don't speak to most of your family. Surely you can see a connection here. You seem to be alienating yourself from anybody who doesn't agree with you.
SeiteiSouza, if you truly believe that drug abuse is a victimless crime, you need to step away from the bong.
I don't talk to a lot of my family, but when we do see each other, they know to not bring up there situation.
I mean if people have destined themselves to be broke by buying drugs or gambling then the charity is for not.
You don't put "new wine" into old wine skins!
In other words you discern where the charity will benefit most.
I agree with that to a certain extent, but if we aren't willing to help people learn to do better for themselves, then who will? Are we to simply ignore the people in need who have made bad choices? Good people often have bad judgement.
I'm very much against only being charitable to the pretty causes. We shouldn't simply turn a blind eye to people we deem undeserving. In my opinion, that's unchristian-like.
And when I refer to charity, I'm not talking about throwing money at a cause. I'm talking about hands-on help.
This is laughable. "Christianity" is a farce. There is no God and there is no Satan. We humans are the only ones responsible for the good and evil that happens in our world. BY attributeing everything good to God and everything bad to Satan we remove the responsibility from ourselves.
Fyi, drugs are not a "vice". The government and the citizens of the USA have no right to step in and tell us what we can and cannot do to our own bodies. Using drugs is a victimless crime, therefore it is not a crime, and all you christian fascists need to back off.
-- Posted by SeiteiSouza on Mon, Oct 6, 2008, at 3:22 PM
SeiteiSouza,
I presume you want to be able to do anything with your bodies you desire but you would have everyone else work and pay more taxes so you can be "given" health care to take care of the bodies when they deteriorate.
Yes Michael, but many gay couples adopt children . . .children who would have never known what a home was if not for these couples adopting them. Isn't that being fruitful . . . taking care of a child and providing them with a safe and loving home? If that is your definition of a marriage then what about couples who can't have children . . . are they an abomination or is their union against God?
Please think before you open your mouth!
Parker
Don't you realize drugs are not a vice no one on drugs have ever killed or hurt anyone. and don't you realize Christianity is a farce. We are an entity unto ourselves.
And remember a barren womb like Sara's is an abomination.
Sounds like you could be hearing from some reprobate minds at work.
Wonder where they came from, and what could that mean.
Time to consider the source and shake the dust off your feet.
To put a end of this, this army will fight for what the Bible says and for a return of this nation back to God.
Our voice will be heard, this is no different than a war of nations, each country sends out its warriors and they battle, not out of hate , but out of duty and commitment.
There is a war coming on, a war that has been fought since before time began Good versus Evil.
Sides must be chosen, there is no bystanders, either you come to the cross and accept the sacrifice or you don't, the choice is yours.
In my beliefs God's laws overrides mans when man's go against God's, but you have to understand God's laws first.
That is true Michael and while you scare people away from the love of God others will be working hard to show the true nature of God and bring them to his fold.
Time to consider the source and shake the dust off your feet.
Posted by jesse sellers on Tue, Oct 7, 2008, at 2:34 AM
jesse sellers,
That is something I have had on my mind for some time. I know that was an instruction given to the apostles early in the ministry of Christ and I think he would want that same attitude applied today for us.
However, it seems we have a problem now days spreading the Gospel electronically where the dirt will follow you after the dust has been shaken off.
I personally have shaken the dust off my feet with most everyone of the hecklers and deniers. It is all on them now. It is a freewill "choice" and they must make their own. I can not make it for anyone other than myself.
I try to maintain what I feel is a proper perspective on the issue of addressing anything an established heckler says. I try to look at it as if I am addressing their spouted evil versus addressing them as individuals which I have shaken the dust off my feet with.
I realize that there are reprobate minds at work.
Even though I have shaken the dust off my feet with what has to be with them I am concerned some young absorbent mind may be infiltrated with the evil spouts they continually bring forth. The last thing I want to see is some innocent child read one of their post without a rebuttal and somehow fall for their misguided beliefs.
I have got to the point that I believe that once they have been told about the gospel and they still want to have their own way then so be it. If they want to all get together and go to the far extreme and mate with their favorite farm animal of the same sex while they do drugs let them have at it. I just wish they would draw a line and get on that side of it and leave us on this side of it if their mind is made up.
Heck, I would even vote for giving them one half of the county and let them name it Sodom. Build a wall seperating the two with a gate that has the rules of both sides posted on it. Let the gate be opened to either side that wants to go to which ever side their freewill directs them into. However the rules of which ever side you choose must be adhered to. I think history would repeat itself if God could ever get the goats and the sheep seperated here like He did in Sodom. He got the last sheep out of Sodom before he prepared the barbeque goat.
Much like I think He will gather the sheep "up" there before he lights the grill "down" here. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth down here when the large pre-lit charcoal rocks start falling.
I believe there will be joy "up" there because we will not be allowed to "look back" as Lot's wife did.
Amen, Pastor Mike
Bible prophecies are in the process of being fulfilled. Keep doing your fathers' work by keeping the word flowing. Some out there will listen and believe. Others will be in denial, so help them. Keep firing.
These little skirmishes will continue leading up to the main battle somewhere in the future.
That is true Michael and while you scare people away from the love of God others will be working hard to show the true nature of God and bring them to his fold.
-- Posted by jaxspike on Tue, Oct 7, 2008, at 7:15 AM
jaxspike,
Would not God want them to know "all" about the fold?
Would not He want them to know both the "cost" and the "reward"?
God knows all, tells all and wants all. He is all of all.
A half truth will always be a lie no matter how much light the evil one will shed on it.
All is all. No less.
Parker
Changing the subject have you noticed the old bear of the north has again awoke and starting to reclaim his old territory. Things could start to change rapidly. We may not have a lot of time left but time will tell.
The King of the North is coming out of hibernation.
SeiteiSouza,
One day when you are suffering from the illnesses caused by these "harmless drugs" and are lying on your death bed, I have a strong feeling that you will reconsider your opinion about the nonexistance of God.
It is a shame , but that is when most people come to know that God exist. But we put so much in the grace of our Lord we can't question him on saving them or not.
As in the parable of the vineyard workers, some started early some in the middle and some late, and were all given the same pay.
When asked why the man of the house said"I gave each of you what I promised and it is mine to do as I see fit"[paraphrased of course]
Grace totally belongs to the Lord and he will do as he sees fit.
SeiteiSouza,
Even if you don't consider the Bible valid,try reading the Physician's Desk Reference or the legal proceedings involving the torts medical personnel and pharmaceutical companies have faced.
Read up on biochemical warfare.
It is a truism that anything strong enough to do good is strong enough to do harm.
This would be true of a castor bean,a coca leaf,arsenic,iron,silver,snake,frog or spider venom,sunlight,water,cold or man-made items like the printing press and the ideas it has spread.
It is naive to assume that anything can be utilized unwarily without risk or that every cautionary statement is meant to control or deprive the deserving.
Nor can many things be rejected as unalloyed threats.
In most things,we are expected to use reason and prudence to determine whether a physical or intellectual item will be bane or boon.
To the degree that we can act responsibly,we are expected to use the created world and our own artifacts and notions to do the most good and the least harm.
So far,no one group (believers or unbelievers) has gotten exclusive claim to vice or virtue.
We are all capable of ignorance,selfishness and finer feelings.
We will all prosper to the degree that we honor wisdom and caring and we will all falter and cause harm to others to the degree that we choose to ignore the impact of how we live our lives.
Even the Bear knows his season. He is hungry after the brief hibernation. I wonder if the noise of the bruit awoke him a little early. No matter what caused the waking I expect him to salivate after another close look at the fair heifer and her daughter.
13For the king of the north shall return, and shall set forth a multitude greater than the former, and shall certainly come after certain years with a great army and with much riches.
40And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over.
43But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the PRECIOUS things of Egypt: and the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall be at his steps.
44But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him: therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many.
Due to the protesting of the A.F.A. McDonald's has decided to quit supporting the gay and lesbian agendas as I think all businesses should.
They should not get into the political and or morality fight that is going on.
To remain neutral is to keep all parties happy hopefully.
One battle won for the army of Christ!
I think I will go have me a big mac now.
I guess it would be the politically prudent thing for McDonald's to say "I don't have a dog in this fight."
It would be a lot trickier to make a choice,take a stand and risk some teethmarks to get the puppies out of the pit.
If a business refuses to be hot or cold in order to avoid controversy,it might wind up offending all that don't get its support and approval.
Even a "wrong" choice might get some respect if it is held honestly and unwaveringly.
It's one thing to be undecided or to do one's best to be fair.
It's another if it becomes easier to not adhere to any principle rather than stick to inconvenient,unpopular beliefs.
Is McDonald's trying to be sensitive and impartial or is it retreating from a stance in order to retain favor?
Despite superficial similarities,there is a big difference between the two actions.
--> parkerbrothers
You said to jaxspike:
"God knows all, tells all and wants all. He is all of all.
A half truth will always be a lie no matter how much light the evil one will shed on it.
All is all. No less."
You told me that a lie was:
"a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth to decieve."
You argued with me, that the churches were not teaching lies but misinterpreting the truth, but NOW you are saying that anything that is NOT the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, (or a half truth)... is a Lie!
--> Michaelbell,
You just posted...
"Due to the protesting of the A.F.A. McDonald's has decided to quit supporting the gay and lesbian agendas as I think all businesses should.
They should not get into the political and or morality fight that is going on.
To remain neutral is to keep all parties happy hopefully.
One battle won for the army of Christ!
I think I will go have me a big mac now."
That is just the oposite of what you have been preaching...!!
You claim that everybody should stand up to the sins of homosexuals and lesbians and all sinners and preach to them and condemn their sins... but now you are going to go get a big mac because McDonald's has decided to quit supporting the movements and stay out of the political and morality fight... Or in other words, keep their mouth shut.
Jesus said you are neither Hot nor Cold so I will spue thee out of my mouth.
So, what do you do now? Preach out against the sinners or remain neutral to keep all parties happy like you just admitted?
The army of Christ is coming with Him when He returns. They are the 144,000 male jews who have never been defiled by women. They will destroy the sinners so the only people remaining are the righteous ones who will help those in the first resurrection.
--> As for the sins of rapists, murderers and etc., the bible says the son inherits the fathers sins, so we are born with our fathers' sins and given a choice not to sin anymore, but can't do anything about it until the grace of God falls upon us. How long must we live in sin until the lord enters our lives with His Grace? Some may only have minor sins while others may inherit the sins of a rapist or murderer. Not very fare is it. A woman doesn't inherit the sins of her mother, but the son inherits his fathers' sins.
--> Preacher Arnold Murray confessed with his mouth this morning, that all you christians will go to heaven when your die. He also quoted the spirit returns to the father. That makes him think that you go to heaven when you die. YOU DON"T GO TO HEAVEN WHEN YOU DIE. Your body goes in the ground with your soul. Your body rots and your soul sleeps right there in your (sheol) grave! If you are a born again christian, it is the Holy Spirit, in you, that returns to God, because it IS God.
The only people who are caught up in the air to meet the Lord... is the 144,000 Jews and they return when Christ returns.
All the righteous born again christians will be in the first resurrection, or left standing on the earth on the last day of mankind. Then the millennium begins and they reign with Christ for 1,000 years. They are not caught up in the clouds, but remian here on earth with Christ. Those who have died, will be resurrected and join those who were left alive on the world. Then it all begins again.
Amen
I believe that from a legal sense companies should remain neutral to avoid problems.
I am a christian , but I don't critique every restaurant or business I deal with, that is their choice.
Several employers provide insurance for same sex couples, but we still work there.
michaelbell,
The Pharasees and Scribes condemned Jesus because He mingled with and walked with sinners, criminals, homosexuals, lesbians, murderers, mediums, fortune tellers, tax collectors, lawyers, unhealthy people sick with diseases and the insane.
Jesus didn't condemn them or talk about them. He laid hands on them and healed them. Jesus gave all His disciples the power to heal the sick and cast out demons and yes, even raise the dead. If you are a born again christian, you were given this power to do the exact same thing in the name of Jesus.
Preachers refuse to use this power of attorney because they are too embarrassed of Jesus Christ to do it in puplic, afraid it will make them look like fools.
"Without Christ you can do nothing... but with God ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE!"(Matthew 19:26; Mark 10:27) It applies today also just like it did in the past because... "Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever." (Hebrews 13:8)
All the righteous born again christians will be in the first resurrection
-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Wed, Oct 15, 2008, at 9:36 PM
Unique-Lies,
What is the difference between a righteous christian and an unrighteous christian?
unique,
Promise me you are not going to get on that salvation only by head chopping theory again are you?
parkerbrothers/michaelbell,
A righteous christian is a born again christian who doesn't sin any more. There is no such thing as an unrighteous christian. You are either a righteous christian or you are a sinner.
Jack Van Impe agrees with all you born again Righteous christians who believe you will all be in the Rapture (which isn't in the bible anywhere). You will all be raptured up and all the dead people will instantly be transformed into heavenly bodies and you will all meet Jesus in the air.
So now the only people down here on the earth would be the people who survive the trials and tribulations and the second coming of Christ and are left standing on the earth on the last day. The dead sinners will also be down here to be resurrected, but they are in the second resurrection.
SO, who then, Parkerbrothers, are the people who will be in the 1st resurrection?
Jack Van Impe swears that you will all be caught up in the clouds to be with Jesus forever...BEFORE the Trials and Tribulations begin.
This happens Before Christ returns so how is Jesus going to weed the sinners from the righteous people left on the earth, when He returns, if all the righteous people have been raptured up. The only people remaining here according to all you experts, would be the sinners because the good people were raptured up.
The bible says that the righteous will be here on the earth after Jesus weeds out the evil doers. Where do they come from Parkerbros and Michaelbell?
When Jesus was resurrected on the third day, He was resurrected right here on this earth as Jesus CHrist in the flesh and blood. He didn't return to heaven for several more days.
So you see... we too will be resurrected right back here on this earth just like Jesus was.
Everyone who is in the rapture remains with Christ forever and is never going to be resurrected, so who is in the 1st and 2nd resurrection?
Parkerbrothers, you read the book of Revelation over and over again everyday for a week or better... what do you say?
All you born again righteous christians keep on listening to the churches and TV evanglists and YOU WILL BE HERE during the Trials and Tribulations and Resurrections right along with the sinners.
It's almost as bad as telling someone to go to the light. Satan transforms himself into the angel of light, so which light are you going to?
Jack Van Impe also spoke about Russia. Russia is the bear or King of the North. It moves south to meet the King of the east, China, and starts a nuclear war with Israel. God steps in and stops the war by destroying everyone in the armies except 1/6th of the army. These handful of soldiers are sent to their homes to tell everyone what God had done to them.
If there is a rapture then I will be going , if not then I will be killed for my faith, then be raptured. It is a all win and no loss situation for those who have accepted Christ!
A righteous christian is a born again christian who doesn't sin any more.
-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Fri, Oct 17, 2008, at 12:39 AM
Unique-Lies,
The righteousness needed for salvation is an imputed righteousness. It is not obtainable on our own.
Abraham was not declared righteous because of his own self. It was by having the righteousness of Christ imputed into him by faith.
We have to have faith that the "righteousness of Christ" is a sufficient atonement for all our sins.
There has never been nor will there ever be a Christian who will never sin.
Until you understand the plan of salvation presented by God in his word you will always be confused as you are about Revelation. If you can not understand the simple plan you will never grasp John's vision.
parkerbrothers,
That is the best you could come up with after all the things I wrote?
Do you just pick and choose what you will answer or not?
-> The righteousness needed for salvation is an imputed righteousness. It is not obtainable on our own.
I know all about righteousness, sinning and salvation and just how simple it is to obtain it. I also know just how simple it is to lose your salvation also, which you refuse to believe.
-> Abraham was not declared righteous because of his own self. It was by having the righteousness of Christ imputed into him by faith.
I don't argue that! Why would you even bring it up? I told you earlier that the son inherits the sins of his father, so that makes the son live as a sinner until the "Grace of God" is given to him By God. What part of that don't you get?
-> We have to have faith that the "righteousness of Christ" is a sufficient atonement for all our sins.
First there has to be "Hope". If you have no hope, faith won't do it. If there is hope that you might be atoned, you must then muster up the faith to receive the "Grace of God". Faith without works is dead, so you must do good woerks also or the faith won't get you anything. When God sees that you are ready, God and only God, will send you to Jesus Christ, His only begotten son. Until then you wander the earth as a sinner.
-> There has never been nor will there ever be a Christian who will never sin.
The Bible says it is impossible to sin when you have received Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior. The reason being: Jesus comes in and cleans your mind of evil thoughts, your heart of hatred, and your soul of evil devils. When Jesus baptises you with the Holy Spirit you body now becomes the Temple of God because the Holy Spirit Is God. You turned your life over to God so God doesn't let you sin. You have to side step God to sin. That is willfully sinning and those sins are no longer forgiveable. SO you see... if you sin you are no longer a christian.
-> Until you understand the plan of salvation presented by God in his word you will always be confused as you are about Revelation. If you can not understand the simple plan you will never grasp John's vision.
You confessed to reading the book of Revelation 5 or more times a day for several days, yet I have never read you teaching about Revelation. Revelation is suppose to be revealed in the last days, yet everyone fears it when it is actually soothing when you know what it is telling you.
Preachers teach Fire, Hell and Damnation every Sunday in church yet when the truth is spoken everyone thinks it is awful. The really bad stuff is in Matthews and Daniels not revelations. Revelation simple explains what will be taking place in the last days so people will know what to look for and watch out for.
One last statement I would like to add for everyone:
Jack Van Impe and all the other preachers are teaching that when Christ returns there will be peace on this earth and everyone will be happy. This is the second biggest LIE ever told and is still being told today by the churches. This peace on earth doesn't happen until after the "Second Death". Jesus Christ is returning to Judge, then Punish the world for Crucifing Him and sinning against God. If that sounds like peace on earth and tranquility, follow parkerbrothers and all the other preachers.
Read the Bible for yourself. You will be surprised what you learn.
michaelbell,
-> If there is a rapture then I will be going , if not then I will be killed for my faith, then be raptured. It is a all win and no loss situation for those who have accepted Christ!
I'm ashamed of you!
Nowhere in the Bible does it say anything about a "Rapture". It only speaks of people being caught up in the air to meet Jesus in the clouds.
But, WHO is caught-up in the air?
The very first earthly being to ascend into heaven was Jesus. Jesus was the firstfruit of man. The Firstfruit of God and Jesus was... are you ready for this?... the 144,000 jewish men who were not defiled by woman. These 144,000 were "redeemed from the earth" and were the "Firstfruits of God and Jesus.
This means that people who have died haven't gone to heaven to be with their father because the 144,000 are the firstfruits and that hasn't happened yet.
These 144,000 jews who are redeemed from the earth and are firstfruits to God and Jesus, now have immortal, everlasting bodies just like Jesus and remain with Christ forever.
So, they are redeeemed from men, become firstfruits to God and Jesus, go wherever Jesus goes, forever and they are standing beside Jesus when He returns. That means they were the ones caught up in the clouds to meet Jesus, then return with Jesus to Mount Zion.
So now we see that the very first humans to be caught-up in the air are the 144,000 Jews. That is the "Rapture" everyone is talking about and only consists of 144,000 Jews who are redeemed from the earth.
John tells us that if you are killed for your faith in God, you will be in the first resurrection and will be a king and priest of God and Christ. John doesn't say you will be in a second rapture. No, He says you will be in the first resurrection.
You have to watch out about saying that, because parkerbrothers calls that... "salvation only by head chopping theory."
Now let's sum it up! You are saying that you are a born again christian who is a devoult christian who sins a little and is going to heaven at all costs, even if you are murdered for your beliefs and that is the way it should be.
The bible says that even Jesus' elete christians will be deceived if He doesn't return sooner than plained and fall prey to satan and the beast. The bible says to stand fast and endure til the end with patience. It also says a true christian can have people dropping like flies next to him or her and not be harmed, yet again it says that many will be killed for His name sake. SO we don't know who will be killed and who will not be scratched. But we do know that it will happen.
It is an all win no lose situation IF you stand fast in your faith and don't worship the beast nor his image no accept the mark of the beast so you can purchase items you need or pay your bills.
You have to watch out about saying that, because parkerbrothers calls that... "salvation only by head chopping theory."
Posted by Unique-Lies on Fri, Oct 17, 2008, at 12:11 PM
Unique-Lies,
You know well why I reference "your" theory about the head chopping. As you should recall you have repeatedly claimed that the only way "you" can now be saved is if someone chops "your" head off for your belief in Jesus since you commited a sin after you were saved.
It amazes me that you are depending on a third party to deliver your salvation.
I hate to tell you but there is only one thing that will atone for your sins and it is not some mysterious man with an axe.
You need to get out of Revelations and read the Gospels more. They will tell you of the perfect Sacrafice that will relieve your nightmares.
It is only a one way street. That is why the cars are honking at you.
parkerbrothers
Nothing you say makes any sense anymore. I was saying the same thing michaelbell said and you make your own private joke about your own opinion.
I addressed a hugh reply to you just above the one I addressed to michaelbell.
You chose to answer one line I wrote to michaelbell insted of commenting on any of the reply I sent to you.
John 3:16-18
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Just because you believe doesn't make you saved for life. Not only does satan believe but he knows it and is doomed.
James 2:19
19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
JUST Believing won't get you to heaven!
So your one way street now becomes a two way street so get on the right side of the road.
You are the one who stayed in the Book of Revelation and never learned anything. I have held my own against preachers of all faiths. I don't let them lead me astray, but will listen to what they say with an open mind. You just ramble!
Regardless of what you think, we will all sin till the day we die, that is why we nneded a saviour.
supposed to be needed, sorry.
"0 generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?"
Nothing you say makes any sense anymore. I was saying the same thing michaelbell said and you make your own private joke about your own opinion.
Posted by Unique-Lies on Fri, Oct 17, 2008, at 2:58 PM
Unique-Lies,
Sorry, but all I addressed was your comment about me referring to your proclaimed theory. If what I said does not make sense it is because I have been referring to your proclaimed beliefs. Glad to see you acknowledge that none of it makes sense. I have been trying to tell you that for some time now.
You do not have to rely on a third party source with an ax to per chance provide you with eternal life. The sooner you realize that the sooner you will start sleeping better at night and not be such a cranky old goozer.
You confessed to reading the book of Revelation 5 or more times a day for several days, yet I have never read you teaching about Revelation. Revelation is suppose to be revealed in the last days, yet everyone fears it when it is actually soothing when you know what it is telling you.
Posted by Unique-Lies on Fri, Oct 17, 2008, at 10:02 AM
Unique-Lies,
Was evil monkey correct some time ago about you and the crackpipe. You have never presented Revelation in a way that could be soothing for anyone. Even by your own repeated admittance you wake up screaming and dreading it at night. You need to go back and reread all your post. Preferably off the pipe if you are indeed partaking??
Every reference I have made to it proclaimed we should look forward to the return of Christ. I personally would love for him to return soon. I want to meet the only possible atonement for my sins.
Why do you dread and tremble? Only the demons do that.
You dread seeing Christ either because you do not understand what he was, is or will be...or either you do fully understand but refuse to submit to his authority and position over you.
parkerbrothers,
Luke 12:5
But I will show you whom you should fear: Fear him who, after the killing of the body, has power to throw you into hell. Yes, I tell you, fear him.
When the angels appeared to men in the bible, the people feared them and fell to their knees to beg for mercy. Just like Michaelbell said above, "Regardless of what you think, we will all sin till the day we die, that is why we need a saviour."
If we all sin until the day we die, we should fear the Lord because He can send us to hell after we die.
Do I fear God standing before me, Yes! Everything you ever done in your lifetime will flash before you when God returns. You won't be able to hide anything from God. Don't know about you, but my life hasn't been perfect.
That's all I have to say about that.
Unique-Lies,
As I have said, if you or anyone plans on standing before God on their own merit and let their works try to provide appeasement to the known and proclaimed perfect wrath of God toward sin, then I have to agree with you that you should tremble and shake and fear.
However, if you could understand you have an advocate that is the only acceptable appeasement stand and represent you and take all your sins upon himself you would have the fear of God replaced with respect and love for the Son.
I look forward to that day where we stand before God. I look forward to seeing the glow and love of the Father look at the Son with such admiration that he overlooks mine and all others sins who came into contact with the appeasement through saving faith.
Though I can only see it dimly now I look forward to the day when it is crystal clear. How great will the now uncomprehendable love of the Father be.
Unique, quit trying to save yourself so you could have something to boast of. Let Christ do the attoning work and give him the praise of the finished job well done.
It is a finished and perfect work. Have saving faith.
I am content with my atonement with Christ. I have done my best. Worry about your own not mine. I said I fear God because he can do anything to anyone because He owns our Souls and Bodies.
The Lord is returning... not to wipe away the tears or hold anybody in His bosom. He is coming to avenge His death and to rid His earth of all sinners. The churches don't teach that today!
It won't be a pretty picture and all the Christians will not only be afraid, but terrified when they see what our Savior is doing. It will start like Sodom and Gomorrah, because the kings of the earth will try to stop this invader. At that time most people won't even know who Christ is because they are brainwashed into worshiping the beast. Look how easy it is to talk the people into believing in the flu shot each year, or the drugs for depression they give to people they want to control. Drugs to help you remember things or is it? Yesterday it was "say no to drugs" today it is "ask your doctor if _ _ _ _ is right for you or if you need...???" People accept whatever they are told now. One day soon, they won't even be able to think for themselves. "I can feel it coming in the air, tonight, Oh Lord".
Ask Michaelbell! He read the verses, only he thinks Jesus will rapture him up before all this happens. This "Rapture" doesn't happen until Christ retuns and Christ doesn't return until the beast is in power for 3 1/2 years and confesses that he is God. That is long after the trials and tribulations have started. Russia and China have already begun their Nuclear war with Israel and the armies have to stop their war and go after our Savior. Boy! Now that is going to be a big mistake. How do you fight an army that has eternal life, hee hee.
What kind of welcome is that for our Savior? Don't you think Christ is going to be a little angry at all this?
I will be happy to see Christ return in my lifetime if the Beast is in power, even if it means I will be cast into hell. That has to be better than living under the antichrist, but it will be very scary and I for one will be scared half to death to have to face him.
Everyone will be in for a big surprise when Christ returns. The Preachers are telling you what you want to hear so they can keep their church. Everyone will continue to worship these man made traditions the churches teach and won't recognize the anti-christ because he comes before Jesus. They will all run out to worship the beast thinking it is Jesus coming to rapture them up. Oh how eager they will be to jump in the stew pot. No one will have to force them at all. The churches have prepaired them for the false christ by not explaining what is to happen. They teach false hopes.
Don't anyone read the bible. It plainly states that people will be deceived and worship the beast thinking it is God. Even God's Elite will be deceived that is why Christ has to return earlier than planned. That is why you must read "the Good, the Bad and the Ugly." It's all right there in your Bible.
All the atonement in the world won't save you if you worship the beast or his image or accept his mark.
But I am sure you have nothing to be scared about. After all, you have been taught for years that, by the blood of Christ, you have political immunity against prosecution from God and have adversaries to speak for you, so you won't even have to face the Lord on judgment day. (Mmmm very interesting)
I am content with my atonement with Christ. I have done my best. Worry about your own not mine. I said I fear God because he can do anything to anyone because He owns our Souls and Bodies.
Posted by Unique-Lies on Sat, Oct 18, 2008, at 12:00 PM
Unique-Lies,
A little change of story there unique. You earlier stated that you feared God because you had sinned once since you were saved and you knew you were going to hell since the atonement was no good anymore.
My, how you try to cheapen the finished work of Christ. You would like for others to follow you with the fall.
Forgive me for being concerned for your soul. However, the main thing I was actually intending for was to make sure some young person did not fall for your clever trickery. Very clever of you to use the Bible as you do in an effort to take all credit from Christ and shift it to a third party ax weilding saviour.
YOU... parkerbrothers, just like me and everyone else, will not be judged until we are resurrected and given the opportunity to denouce satan in the afterlife.
That is what I said.
We are resurrected right here on this earth just like Jesus was and will live again on earth for a short while. The reason being that satan is going to be released at the same time to go out and deceive the nations again.
YOU... and I will not reign with Christ for a thousand years. The only people to reign with Christ for the thousand years are the people who have been "beheaded for the testimony of Jesus or for witnessing for God" and "the 144,000 Jews" who are caught up in the clouds and go with Christ forever.
YOU... and I and everyone else (except the two prophets) will be brought back to life on earth to be tempted by satan again who is released from the bottomless pit at the same time.
Parkerbrothers, I fear God because I am a sinner and I know it and I know that God can do with me whatever He likes and there is nothing I, nor anyone, can do about it.
The only one cheapening Christs opion about you is you. To sin willfully is unforgivable and to be forgiven again is to crucify Christ again yourself and bring Him to shame.
You don't believe that part of the bible so lets not go there. No one wants to hear it, including me.
You parkerbrothers... accuse me of being anti-christ and speaking lies to everyone. I quote what the bible says, just like preachers, ministers, and evangelists do. I speak the things that God has hidden from the wise and prudent and the proud.
Churches teach people by feeding them baby food and milk. I feed them meat for those who should be ready to eat for themselves. If you still need baby food and milk, don't read my posts.
Parkerbrothers... If I was called to teach the things I do, how much greater will your punishment be when Christ returns.
Parkerbrothers... Just what do you think the two prophets are going to be teaching when they appear before man? Prophets have always preached about things that the people didn't want to hear about themselves. They preach about things that God wants revealed to them, good or bad. Since the people themselves will kill the prophets, I am guessing the news will be pretty bad news. Something like what I teach, no doubt.
Unique-Lies,
I do not frustrate the grace of God, for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
What you are doing keeps reminding me of Hebrews 10:29
29Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
You are doing despite to the Spirit of grace and deeming the blood unworthy of satisfying the Father. I hope you come to understand the sufficiency of the slain Lamb before it is everlasting too late.
It is not your future blood poured out by a third party that will satisfy the Father as you insinuate and prophesy. It is only the blood of Christ that has already been poured on the mercy seat that will suffice. It and it alone. Not yours and his. His alone is the atoner.
Sorry to disappoint you and rob you of something you could possibly boast about but all the credit and praise goes to him.
"the 144,000 Jews" who are caught up in the clouds and go with Christ forever.
Posted by Unique-Lies on Sun, Oct 19, 2008, at 12:57 PM
Unique-Lies,
That just does not harldy sound like what Paul said in Thessolonians. Read it and see where you err so greatly. I read where he says the dead in Christ (Christians) and we which are alive (Christians) are caught up but I miss seeing where it says the 144,000 virgin male Jews?
16For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
18Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
Why can't you comfort people with these words????
Parkerbrothers... If I was called to teach the things I do, how much greater will your punishment be when Christ returns.
Posted by Unique-Lies on Sun, Oct 19, 2008, at 12:57 PM
Luckily there is the gift of discernment that comforts me with that.
I do not question your calling, only the caller.
I wipe the dust of this town off the bottom of my shoes
Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.