God and the Government.

Amen Michael, I was listening to 91.7 to a preacher who was discribing the Muslim beleives and he said they beleive that their messiah won't come back until there is total chaos in the world and that is why they are terrorizing all these countries and killing people, they are tring to creat the chaos so he will come back. In our Bible in Revelations it says when there is total chaos in the world the Anti-christ (aka the devil) will come, it sounds like to me there messiah is the devil. Either way the end of time is coming and the only thing we can do as Christians is bring as many peolple as we can to the Lord.

Michaelbell,

Yes it is possible to stand up to your Government but, I don't advise it because the courts won't obey their own rulings. However when it comes to God or the Courts, I would have to use these laws and stand up for my God.

For example, Here is what the Supreme Court has to say about "We the People" and our "U.S. Constitution":

"A SOVEREIGN IS ANSWERABLE ONLY TO GOD AND CONSCIENCE"

The following definition of Sovereignty is from Bouvier's 14th Edition Law Dictionary (Quoting from 4 Wheat, 402)

"It has been justly thought a matter of important to determine from what source the United States

derives its authority...The question here proposed is whether our bond of union is a compact entered into by the states, or whether the Constitution is an organic law established by the people. To this we answer: "We the people...ordain and establish this Constitution"...The government of the state had only delegated power (from the people) and even if they had an inclination, they had no authority to transfer the authority of the Sovereign People. The people in their capacity as Sovereigns made and adopted the Constitution; and it binds the state governments without the state's consent. The United States, as a whole, therefore, emanates from the People and not from the states, and the Constitution and the laws of the states,whether made before or since the adoption of that Constitution of the United States, are subordinate to the United States Constitution and the laws made in pursuance of it.

The People are the fountain of Sovereignty. The whole was originally with them as their own. The state governments are but trustees acting under a derived authority, and had no power to delegate what is not delegated to them. BUT THE PEOPLE, AS THE ORIGINAL FOUNTAIN, MIGHT TAKE AWAY WHAT THEY HAVE LENT AND INTRUST TO WHOM THEY PLEASE. THEY HAVE THE WHOLE TITLE AND AS ABSOLUTE PROPRIETORS HAVE THE RIGHT OF USING OR ABUSING. -jus utendi et abutendi.. IT IS MAXIM CONSECRATED IN PUBLIC LAW AS WELL AS COMMON SENSE AND THE NECESSITY OF THE CASE THAT A SOVEREIGN IS ANSWERABLE FOR HIS ACTS ONLY TO HIS GOD AND HIS OWN CONSCIENCE...THERE IS NO AUTHORITY ABOVE A SOVEREIGN TO WHICH AN APPEAL CAN BE MADE."

"...While sovereign powers are delegated to the agencies of government, sovereignty itself remains with the People, by whom and for whom, all government exists and act."

Yick Wo vs Hopkins and Woo Lee vs Hopkins 118 U.S. 356 .

"Sovereignty itself is, of course, not subject to the law for it is the author and source of law;

Yick Wo vs Hopkins and Woo Lee vs Hopins 118 U.S. 356 .

so everyone is predicting the 2012 to be end since 2000 wasn't. i would not vote for Obama but when do christians judge that a president has to be white and male. are christians being judmental to the fact that he is black/white and that he has a muslin background. christians are not doing their job from the judgemental way you are. they have named obama the antichrist because people make revelations fit to this days time. it might be the end of times but everyone tries to put a date. this makes the christian world seem a little psycho and people wonder why so many people do not go to church if you read these blogs.

I don't care what color, or sex the president is, his values and ethics and belief in God I do.

just curious.

if you have "one world army" who will they fight?

if israel, and whoever supports her, dont go along, then you really wouldnt have "one" world government, would you?

lazarus,

That is the purpose of the one world army... having no country to fight against because it is a one world order.

The one world army would fight the rebels like any contry today does or any country who went up against the one world order or refused to fight with the one world order.

I believe that was the 666 resolution that president Bush signed when he was in office that states that any country who did not fight with the United Nations when they went to battle would be the enemy to the United Nations.

A one world army could walk into any country to sieze your arms or weapons even if they were legally purchased. Just like the forces did in New Oleans when people were trying to save their possessions during the aftermath. Law enforcement officers went in and stole items from people who had left and the military confiscated any and all guns they could find on people.

The Government will take your guns but don't have the sense to remove the guns and rocket launchers from the citizens in Iraq.

I say if you are going to send our loved ones to Iraq the least you can do is remove the weapons from the people over there.

A lot of our military bases have been shut down, yet they have undertake a facelift. The barbed wire fences have been turned around to face inward to keep people in instead of out. The building have had maintence done to bring them up to code for living quarters.

A one world army is under the orders of the antichrist just like the judical system etc. Anyone who is a trouble maker or commonly referred to as a terrorist would be targeted by these forces. Just like today, most people don't know it, but the IRS has its own armed forces they use to raid peoples homes and offices. This is unconstitutional but done just the same.

The bible says the parents will turn in their children and the children will turn their parents in. This would be turning in relatives who don't worship the beast and his image. This one world army would be called in for these attacks and pickups to take them to the concentration camps where they will be dealt with later.

Just a little idea but don't want to scare anyone, so I will stop here.

darrick_04

The TN State Constitution states in Article IX, Section 1. a preacher or minister shall not be eligible to a seat in either House of the Legislature, But also states in section 2. No person who denies the being of God...shall hold any office in the civil department of this state.

Constitution Of The State Of Tennessee

ARTICLE IX

Disqualifications.

Section 1. Whereas ministers of the Gospel are by their profession, dedicated to God and the care of souls, and ought not to be diverted from the great duties of their functions; therefore, no minister of the Gospel, or priest of any denomination whatever, shall be eligible to a seat in either House of the Legislature.

Section 2. No person who denies the being of God, or a future state of rewards and punishments, shall hold any office in the civil department of this state.

I believe the US Constitution has similar sections but won't swear to it. I remember when Pat Robertson was running for president and swore he wasn't a preacher. He had his own ministry back then also.

Section 2. No person who denies the being of God, or a future state of rewards and punishments, shall hold any office in the civil department of this state.

Posted by Unique-Lies on Mon, Oct 20, 2008, at 1:31 AM

darrick_04 and all others in denial,

Even our State Constitution revealed the full nature of God. A God of love and reward and a God of Wrath and punishment. Unrepentant homosexuality will be punished. You can bet your little bottom on that.

Evil Monkey,

Thanks to you I got my computer fixed. They had to put in a new hard drive but I lost all my files. Thanks again. That saved me a few dollars.

Parkerbrothers, are you without sin? I doubt it. So, why be so judgmental of others? It isn't your place. If homosexuals will be punished for their sins, so will you.

-- Posted by tamb on Mon, Oct 20, 2008, at 9:55 AM

tamb,

No, I am not without sin. Although homosexuality is not one of them I have not escaped the sinful flesh of mine. I do not however live in unrepentant sin. Big difference. Actually it is "the difference".

Any former homosexual that repents of his way and wants to be rid of the sin through the only offered atonement will not be judged and condemned for his sins. Do not be deceived.

Discerning the will of God toward sin is not judging. Judging requires a passing of sentence for the crime of which I have no authority.

Michaelbell/parkerbros;

OOPS! I apologize to both of you. I put my foot in my mouth in a big way this time. I miss read the posts and thought they were addressed to me.

Sorry, I will shut up now! Please forgive my ignorance and stupiity.

I guess it is me who only reads half the truth.

That ain't gonna L@@k good for me on judgement day!

The original sin was not believing what God said.

The serpent asked"Hath God said"

And people have been asking that ever since.

Yes I still have my faults, my temper still flares up, I don't have the total faith I should at times, and I do doubts at times, but the Holy Spirit always brings me back to the right path.

When I look on something evil I hear a voice saying turn away, when I think a evil thought I stop and pray and it goes away.

We are all human and as long as we are in the flesh we will sin, but we have a advocate with the Father and his name is Jesus Christ who died for sins past , present, and future.

With repentance, those sins are gone.

But to be living in sin and unrepentant and even knowing it is wrong, that is the ultimate wrong and what you will be judged for.

We will all be judged and by accepting and having faith in Christ and living to your best ability, though you will still fall short, eternal life will be yours.

For we all die the first death and go to hell, for hell in the bible is the same as the grave, it is the second death and the lake of fire I have been saved from.

We all must die once , but some will die twice.

Anyone/Everyone;

Here is a youtube video about the rapture I found informative but not completely acurate in my opinion, but very helpful for Christians if anyone is interested:

http://www.youtube.com/

watch?v=JgzBnoVyb-o&feature=related

(Put all on one line no spaces)

After watching it you should be able to figure the rapture and trials and tribulations out for yourself.

EM,

I can't image you saying anything that might get you deleted! I know the constitution allows for free speech, but I have always felt that the press practices censorship each time a paper is published or the news broadcasted. Those that produce the news either print what will sell a paper, or produce ad revenue, not always just "the news".

michaelbell,

The bible tells us that in the end times there are some people(God's Elite) who will never see death. Their flesh shall be saved, meaning they won't die an earthly death.

Matthew 24:21,22

21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

They will live on when all the evil doers have been slain by the sword that protrudes from His mouth and they will reign with Christ for one thousand years with the other saints (those who have been beheaded and martyred for Christ and God) who are in the 1st resurrection.

Revelation 20:4-6

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

And this isn't even all the Christians, only the ones who have been killed. They are Not Raptured up, but Resurrected. The rest of the christians and those who went to hell are resurrected at the end of the thousand years.

SO... anyone should be able to see how it would be impossible for all the christians to be in a "Rapture" if they are Resurrected in two different Resurrections.

This "Rapture takes place before the 1st Resurrection of the Saints. It takes place as Jesus is returning. When does Christ return? When the anti-christ confesses that he is God. That is 3 1/2 years after the anti-christ begins his reign of terror.

Those who are Raptured up meet Jesus in the clouds with others who have already died.

Now as Jesus retuns on Mount Zion...rev 14:1-3

1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.

2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:

3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

In verse 3 it says that they were redeemed from the earth. That means they were taken from the earth and have returned with Christ. How were they taken from the earth in order to return with Jesus? They are the ones who are "Caught up in the air" and "meet jesus and the others who had died, in the clouds" and remain with Christ forever.

No one else is caught up or raptured in the air or the clouds. The rest of the saints and Christians and even the sinners are Resurrected here on earth just like Jesus was resurrected here on earth.

After the thousand years when everyone else is Resurrected back here on earth, satan goes out to deceive the nations again.

Actually some people will die three times. They will die here on earth. They are resurrected and if they choose to follow satan in the after life, they will be killed by fire from heaven. Then comes the second death after the grave and death give up the dead to be finally judged. If they followed satan, they go into the lake of fire for the third death. Of course, that is better than an eternal damnation in the lake of fire. Only satan, the false prophet and the beast get eternal damnation in the lake of fire.

6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they [were], should be fulfilled. 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; 6:13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. 6:14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. 6:15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: 6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand? 7:1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. 7:2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea, 7:3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads. 7:4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: [and there were] sealed an hundred [and] forty [and] four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel. 7:5 Of the tribe of Juda [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad [were] sealed twelve thousand. 7:6 Of the tribe of Aser [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nepthalim [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses [were] sealed twelve thousand. 7:7 Of the tribe of Simeon [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar [were] sealed twelve thousand. 7:8 Of the tribe of Zabulon [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin [were] sealed twelve thousand. 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; 7:10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb. 7:11 And all the angels stood round about the throne, and [about] the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God, 7:12 Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, [be] unto our God for ever and ever. Amen. 7:13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 7:15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them. 7:16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. 7:17 For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.

In these verses are the sealed 144,000 of Israel, the next group that have been martyred for their faith and a uncountable group which came out of the great tribulation.

I won't be a part of the 144,000 I would be honored to be one of the martyred.

Whether before , mid or even later, when the Lord calls I am going home.

Do I believe in a pre trib rapture No! I do not, I believe for those who are martyred for their faith, they will be transformed in a twinkling of a eye.

Do I believe you ascend or descend at the moment of death No! I don't I tell the families of the ones I know who have lost loved ones that they are with the Father and in his hands.

Ecc12:6-7 Or ever silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the cistern.

7Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was, and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

What time frame that is , I don't know, Only God does!

We will all be judged accordingly, and I will plead the blood.

'Dreaded year of 2012?'

I wasn't aware that mixing a Mayan observation with Revelations from the Bible is now accepted in Christianity.

Throw all that in with 'Believers' being forced to use E-Meters and the say the Catholic Church has decided to take auspices and it would make a fine story line for a apocalyptic movie. Bet you could even get Tom Cruise to play the lead. If we cross our fingers, it might even be a bigger hit than Tim LaHaye and Jerry Jenkins abomination.

parkerbrothers,

First of all if you are going to quote verses you need the include the Book and Chapter the verses are in, not just the verses. People aren't going to look up a verse number in the bible to see if you are telling the truth or not if they have to look in all the books and chapters to find them. Try a little courtesy on here.

Posted by Unique-Lies on Tue, Oct 21, 2008, at 1:31 PM

Unique-Lies,

I was primarily just addressing the comment to you and knew you should have its location memorized from repitition. I have posted the Book and Chapter many times.

Sorry, though I do see your point and will try to keep it in mind.

Parkerbrothers,

If you still believe everyone is going to be raptured out of the trials and tribulations, then I have to say it is still a secret to you and them.

1 Thessalonians doesn't prove anyone is raptured out of the trials and tribulation. In fact just the opposite.

Paul says in verse 15 "According to the Lord's own word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left till the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep".

Paul is teaching that the people who are still alive, who are left on earth til the coming of the Lord... will not precede those who have already died.

So parkerbrothers and all you christians who believe you will be raptured up before the trials and tribulation...read what Paul just told you!

This Rapture does not happen until everyone is dead except a handful of Gods' Elite are still alive and left for the coming of the Lord.

We all know that the Lord doesn't return until after the Trials and Tribulations have been going on for 3 1/2 years.

So no one gets out of the Trials and Tribulations.

Even Paul had to know this when he was writing to the Thessalonians.

Now show me where there is another passage in the bible that denies this.

parkerbrothers,

I wash my hands of you. You don't have enough common sense to even talk to. You are only fill with hatred and do your best to keep others from learning the truth.

You have tried your best to turn everything I say around to mean something I am not saying. You have no idea what I am saying because you block out the truth I speak. You only want to believe what you have been taught to believe.

No one else speaks out to agree nor disagree with what I am saying, so I don't know if anyone is even interested in learning anything I have to say.

I have spoken the truth and that is all I can do. It is up to everyone else to take the path they choose to go down. I have done my job here and now I leave it in their hands.

The world did not believe Jesus so the world will not believe me either. A servent can not be greater than his master.

Unique

Parker is not showing hate. Just flustration like you.

Yes, I believe to your understanding you are telling the truth of your belief. I believe your understanding is wrong. Just like the Bible spelling out the words "freedom of choice". To me when God said "today I place before you life and death choose life". How much plainer could his intent be than it's our choice.

Yes,I believe the rapture will happen in the last three and a half years, and yes the dead in Christ will rise first. The first three and a half years will be a cake walk. Because the anti christ wants to convince the world that he is the savior Jesus Christ. The last three and a half years is also when the two prophets show up to set the stage for the last days of satan's influence on earth.

Remember rapture means in English transported away like the two prophets were. They have to come back and die because of God's word that all men are once appointed to die with no exceptions given not even his son.

jesse sellers,

So in other words you are saying that the Elite who remain alive on the last day... Must be Killed by God ... because of God's word that all men are once appointed to die with no exceptions given not even his son?

Just how stupid is that to live forever on earth through all the Trials and Tribulations and the plagues that Christ brings with him, just to come face to face with God and be told I must slay you because it is written that everyone must die at least once. Where is their reward for being righteous all the way to the last day just to be killed by Jesus.

Jesus doesn't take the righteous away, he kills them which do iniquity and leaves the righteous alive (Matthew 13:38-43).

My bible tells me that these Elite christians reign with Christ for one thousand years after the rest of the elite are Resurrected and become kings and priests (Rev 20:4-5).

They ARE NOT RAPTURED UP because the 144,000 Jews who are redeemed from the earth remain with Christ FOREVER (Rev 14:3-4). Those who remain alive and are joined with those in the 1st Resurrection are kings and priests and only reign with Christ for the thousand years.

Jesse, your so called cake walk will be the period when you must accept the mark of the beast in order to buy and sell. Without it you have no money to pay bills or buy food and supplies. Without the mark no one will be able to sell you anything. (Doesn't sound like a cake walk to me.)

Jesus preached for 3 1/2 years on earth. That is all the beast gets. There is no second 3 1/2 years. When Christ returns that is it for the beast, false prophet, the kings of the earth and their armies (Rev 19:19-21) and satan. The beast and the false prophet are thrown into the lake of fire, the armies are slain by Christ and satan is chained up in the bottomless pit and the cover sealed for one thousand years (Rev 20:1-3).

Rev 14:3-4

3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the {hundred and forty and four thousand}, which were {redeemed from the earth}.

4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which {follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth}. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

Rev 20:4-5

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

Rev 19:19-21

19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

Rev 20:1-3

1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

The two prophets were transported away in the old testament. In the new testament they return to prophecy and are "STONED TO DEATH". They too will be slained before Chirst returns in the first 3 1/2 years. However, Melchezidec never dies! He was a flesh and blood "Priest forever" on earth, but was also, infact, God Himself.

jesse, by your own testamony, you stated: "They have to come back and die because of God's word that all men are once appointed to die with no exceptions given not even his son.", you are shooting down your proof of a Rapture of "we who are still living, are raptured up". According to your proof, those who are still alive who are raptured up must come back and DIE!

What a blessing that will be to Pauls' surprise and the christians who are still alive and are taken away into the clouds to be with Christ "forever", just to find out they must come back here to earth and die at least once. If they had to do that, they would not be with Christ forever.

When all of you get more proof of all the christians in the world, both alive and dead, being in a rapture, let me know about it.

The only thing that even comes close to a rapture is 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 but only describes such an event and only recognizes "we" and those "who are asleep" as being caught up.

On the other hand, the "144,000 Jews" are "redeemed from the earth" and "come with Christ" when He returns and "go with Christ wherever He goes Forever". Now that sounds more like the rapture in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18!

The Born again Christian Elite Saints are the only people who will be remaining alive on the earth when everyone else has been killed. They will be on earth to witness the 1st Resurrection and be considered a part of the 1st Resurrection. They don't reign with Christ Forever thou. They only reign with Christ for one thousand years. This eliminates the Elite Christian from being in any Rapture because the Elite don't stay with Christ FOREVER. All the other Christians and bad people have to wait until after the thousand years to be resurrected so they won't be in any so called rapture.

If all the christians, dead and alive are in this rapture everyone speaks of when Christ returns, who are these Elite Christians who are left alive along with all the elite christians who are in the 1st Resurrection?

Everyone seems to agree that those who are asleep will be raised before those who are living. This is proof that when you die, your soul sleeps. You do nothing and know nothing, yet no one would admitted to this truth when I was explaining it to everyone. I don't have to explain myself nor my teachings. I only do it to help people understand what the bible is saying.

Please show me any other proof the bible may have that I am not aware of.

parkerbrothers

If we were in court, you would have to rebut every point I make. Good thing we aren't because you couldn't. You can only rebut my salvation which is none of your concern and make accusations which can't be backed up by bible scriptures.

On one hand you are saying that I am anti-christ yet you don't have any answers proving I am wrong nor who you say I am.

You just want to make remarks that you have to save the world from my teachings which are words that come straight out of the bible, explaining themselves to anyone who can stop and take the time to understand them.

All you have to do parkerbrothers is ask God in Jesus' name for the gift of blessed assurance and He will do it for you if you believe and have faith that He will. That is what the Gifts of God is all about. You can have anything you ask for in Jesus' name if you believe you have already received it. Read your bible.

You can only rebut my salvation which is none of your concern and make accusations which can't be backed up by bible scriptures.

Posted by Unique-Lies on Wed, Oct 22, 2008, at 3:51 PM

Unique-Lies,

Actually I think it is clear from the teachings throughout the bible that every christian should be concerned for every soul and that would include yours.

As far as rebut your salvation goes that is something I have not done. Actually quite the opposite. You are the only one that rebuts your salvation.

I just happen to believe differently than you do on certain subjects. I believe the New Testament is Good News.

Maybe I have misunderstood you. What is the Good News unique?

jesse sellers,

-> Explain to me I John 1:6-10 as you perceive it.

-- Posted by jesse sellers

5. God is the light and in him there is no sin.

6. If we claim to be christians and still sin, we lie and aren't following Jesus.

7. But if we abide in his word we become a part of the body of Christ. By the blood of Christ, the only begotten son of God, redeems us from the devil, washes away our every sin, and gives ownership of our souls and bodies to Jesus' father, God.

8. If we claim to be without sin, we are decieve ourselves and the truth is not in us. Everyone is a sinner until we acept Christ.

9. If we confess our sins Jesus will forgive us of "all our sins", big and little. His blood washes away all our sins, "when we confess our sins and ask him to come in and take control of our life".

10. If we say we are without sin and don't confess our sins, then we are lying and his son doesn't forgive us of our sins nor does he come in to us. We remain the same sinner forever or worse.

1 John 1:5-

5 This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all.

6 If we claim to have fellowship with him yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live by the truth.

7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin.

8 If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.

9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.

10 If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word has no place in our lives.

However in 1 John 3:4-6

We see John goes further with his teachings on sinning.

4. Everyone who sins breaks the law. Sin is lawlessness.

5. Christ came to take away our sin and in Jesus there is no sin.

6. Anyone who confesses their sins and asks Jesus to take control of their life is forgiven and Jesus comes into your body, mind, and soul. When God is in you, you are in God, you and God are as one being. God has come in and taken control over your life and you will no langer sin because God won't allow you to. Anyone who continues to sin hasn't seen him nor have they known him.

-> Did you read that jesse and parkerbrothers and michaelbell?

6 No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him.

1 John 3:4-6

4 Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness.

5 But you know that he appeared so that he might take away our sins. And in him is no sin.

6 No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him.

John doesn't stop there with his teachings. John goes on in 1 John 3:9-10

9. No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God's seed remains in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God. How can I make that any clearer than how John put it? I can't! It is perfectly clear. If you accept Jesus your sins are forgiven forever, but after you accept Jesus you will not sin again because God's seed is in you and you can NOT go on sinning because you have been born of God.

10 This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not a child of God; nor is anyone who does not love his brother.

1 John 3:9-10

9 No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God's seed remains in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God.

10 This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not a child of God; nor is anyone who does not love his brother.

-> Did you read that jesse and parkerbrothers and michaelbell?

That pretty much tells us that if we continue to sin, God does not remain in us. But if we could just keep on asking God to forgive us everyday, everytime we committed a sin over and over again, we could sin right on up to the last day and be forgiven as a sinner and still be a sinner for the rest of our lives. It doesn't work that way. We are forgiven for all our sins, then God comes in to prevent us from sinning again. We are born again christians until we willfully sin, then God leaves and the original demon returns with 7 more demons worse than he was.

If you doubt me... take a good look at your very own life and ask yourself if you are 7 times worse than you were before you were saved. Only you know the answer.

You know what that means!

(So no one thinks I crazy, we all sin unintentionally or unknowingly, which is possible to do, and we can be forgiven of those sins everyday, but those sins we do intentionally or willfully, we can not be forgiven of because we have pushed God away to sin.

jesse sellers,

-> Now, on to another subject--the rapture--

Those who are caught up will leave their earthly bodies and take on glorfied bodies. They will have died because their earthly bodies ( made from dust) are dead, like the dead before them (who are with Christ in heaven). I Thess. 4:16-17

-- Posted by jesse sellers

So everyone can read along with us, I post the verses, I Thessalonians 4:16-17:

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Your first sentence is true:

Those who are caught up will leave their earthly bodies and take on glorfied bodies.

The first part of your second sentence is false:

They will have died because their earthly bodies ( made from dust) are dead,

In verse 15:

15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep

So we see that "They" are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord. They are not dead like those who are sleeping. They are alive and their bodies take on glorified bodies. Who would dare kill these people when the Lord has come down to get them? That is one of the miracles of the Bible. There is a handful of God's Elite who never die, they are just trnsformed into glorified bodies and are caught up in the air.

They do not die, they are just caught up in the air so their terrestrial bodies change into extraterrestrial bodies.

And the last half of the second sentence is False also:

like the dead before them (who are with Christ in heaven).

When we die, we sleep in our grave. No one goes to heaven until the 144,000 jews from the 12 tribles are redeemed from the earth and become "the Firstfruits of God and Jesus". Those who have died are here on earth in their graves, not in heaven. Their bodies have seen corruption in their graves but are raised uncorrupted.

John sees a vision of the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held (Rev 6:9-11).

Rev 6:9-11

9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

These souls will be in the 1st Resurrection, not in the rapture, because they were martyred and will be kings and priests. (See Rev 20:6)

In Johns' vision just before the 7th seal is opened, he see the 144,000 jews being sealed in their foreheads, then John sees the "Multitude that is too numerous to count.(Rev 7:9)

These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

They are the people from all nations, kindreds, people and tongues who have accepted Christ. John asks the elders who they are and one of the elders tells John in his vision that These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. (Rev 7:14)

Rev 7:14

14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

Now if you are still with me John sees this vision after he sees the vision of the 144,000 jews. This event happens just before Christ returns. These souls who are too numerous to count come out of Great Tribulations which hasn't even happened in our lifetime, let along Johns. Therefore this is a vision and hasn't even happened yet so they are NOT in heaven. They will be in the future after the second death but not yet.

Your last sentence is false also:

If they haven't repented and believe in Jesue Christ they are left.

Just the opposite. When Christ returns he is sending his angels to take out the wicked and leave the righteous alive.

As for the rapture, it doesn't exist but there is a caught up in the air.

The only place in the bible that I have read about such an event is in Rev 14:3 where it tells us that the 144,000 jews were redeemed from the earth and remain with Christ forever and become firstfruits to God and Jesus. No other group is redeemed from the earth nor caught up in the clouds nor remain with Christ forever, that I have ever read about.

We get one shot at being righteous. Even John says when you sin, God is no longer in you. What part of that don't you understand?

Posted by Unique-Lies on Thu, Oct 23, 2008, at 2:22 PM

Unique-Lies,

It is probably the part that makes you sound like a Pharisee that is hard to understand?

You sure do not have any Good News do you?

At least with the old sacrificial system you had a "shot" every year. That actually sounds like a little better news than what you have. If everybody thought like you there would be an uprising to reinstitute the sacrafices of animals again. There is no doubt you would support bringing it back. You could carry a lamb to it every year and not have to provide your own head for the sacrafice.

Do you realize how silly that sounds unique? But it is actually what your thinking reveals. Stop and just ask yourself one thing.

What is the Good News?

Te Good News is that Christ died once for our sins and we are given the opportunity to be forgiven and without sin forever.

Like John tells you... do not sin and EVERYTHING WILL BE OKAY.

Knowingly sin and hell is your reward. Sin if you like cause you can have Christ the advocater take your case to God. Ever case that goes before God doesn't get forgiveness, but don't believe me, just keep on sinning.

I am not looking for righteousness. I have what I have. If I am destined to be a sinner so be it. I will be what the Lord wants me to be.

You are the one eat up with righteousness assessment, not me. You won't find it in sinning and asking for forgiveness everyday!

parkerbrothers,

Christ replaced the yearly Sacrifices and burnt offerings with a onetime-lifetime sacrifice of his blood.

Throw your false religion and sacrifices at me all you want because it only shows your true religious beliefs.

It may not sound like good news to you because you want to be able to sin whenever you want to, then crucify Christ all over again for your very own personal sins. That is what John was talking about when he said you can't walk in the darkness. Sorry, it doesn't work that way. Keep your nose clean when you get saved and live according to God's word and you won't have to keep crucifying Christ for forgiveness everyday.

Unique

In your understanding you believe there is no hope for you except becoming a martyr, because you sinned intentionally as you wrote in a previous blog.

So you believe you are your own savior is what I get from your words. I hope you get the chance to be a martyr to satisfy your own mind.

I will believe what I have been taught from men who have studied far deeper in Gods word, than you have.

My last words to you is get behind me satan send your own self to hell, I'am going with who brought me salvation and his name is Jesus Christ my savior!

jesse sellers,

Well said. All the praise goes to the Son in whom the Father is so well pleased.

I am well pleased also in what He did for me before he ever knew me.

So you see parkerbrothers, you are making a federal case out of a simple everyday sin and showing people how you misinterpret the word of God, then twist the truth to judge someone who hasn't said any of the things you accuse them of saying.

Posted by Unique-Lies on Fri, Oct 24, 2008, at 1:56 PM

Unique-Lies,

I am not judging you. Quite the opposite. The only person who said you were no longer forgiven is yourself. I understand your humaness and flesh and struggles you go through. I actually think the sacrafice of Christ is sufficient to cover your sin.

If you do not want it to cover you then so be it. I still like you and appreciate your time and effort irregaurdless of your decision.

michaelbell,

And now it becomes your turn.

You should know better because you have a mailorder Ministry license.

Evidently you did not know that if they sinned unintentionally a sheep or goat would be good enough to cover their sins that they had committed, but if they intentionally sinned they were to be cast out from among the jews and their sins remained upon them. That applied to jews and aliens alike, just like Hebrews warns us of the ultimate sacrifice that Jesus gave.

Read it for yourself then show your flock.

Numbers 15:28-31

28 The priest is to make atonement before the LORD for the one who erred by sinning unintentionally, and when atonement has been made for him, he will be forgiven.

29 One and the same law applies to everyone who sins unintentionally, whether he is a native-born Israelite or an alien.

30 " 'But anyone who sins defiantly, whether native-born or alien, blasphemes the LORD, and that person must be cut off from his people. 31 Because he has despised the LORD's word and broken his commands, that person must surely be cut off; his guilt remains on him.' "

How can anyone possibly read that as not meaning anyones intention sins are not forgiven, even back when they had animal sacrifice?

My Credentials:

Galations 1:12

12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

As for Jesus giving you salvation, don't think for a second that He can't take that salvation away from you if you turn from him in defiant and deliberate sin.

I ask no man woman nor child to follow me but just read God's word for themselves.

-> Man has shown that he is a sinner and always will be in the flesh, but in the Spirit is a different story.

-- Posted by michaelbell

That is why we are told to walk in the spirit and not of the world. When we walk in the world we sin and are walking in the darkness. We are told to walk in the spirit and we won't be lead astray because God is within us to prevent us from sinning.

If you sin... you are of the world... and a sinner and God is not in you. That is what Paul says and I have to agree with him because it is written.

Michaelbell,

You have the sin of pride which is a bad sin, not unforgivable, though.

-- Posted by michaelbell

Oh my, there is another willfull sin of mine. Guess thats two counts of intentionally sinning against me now. How will I every get to heaven!

2 Peter 3:10-18

9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.

10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything in it will be laid bare.

11 Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives

12 as you look forward to the day of God and speed its coming. That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat.

13 But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, the home of righteousness.

14 So then, dear friends, since you are looking forward to this, make every effort to be found spotless, blameless and at peace with him.

-> This is where Peter is telling us that Pauls letters are hard to understand and some people distort them to their own distruction, so we must live spotless, blameless and at peace with him. To live spotless would be without sin.

I Wonder why all these apostles think we should be able to live without sin??? All you so called righteous people say it's okay to live in sin and that we are sinners if we don't live in sin because it is impossible not to sin. yet paul told us that we are sinning if we say we are without sin, but if God is in us we can not sin. It sounds perfectly clear to me.

15 Bear in mind that our Lord's patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him.

16 He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.

17 Therefore, dear friends, since you already know this, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of lawless men and fall from your secure position.

18 But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and forever! Amen.

The theory of not being saved from a willful sin won't float. Jesus came through a lineage that was forgiven several times for willful sins. King David

jesse sellers,

The theory of not being saved from a willful sin won't float. Jesus came through a lineage that was forgiven several times for willful sins. King David

-- Posted by jesse sellers

All in the old testament and could have their sins covered by the blood of animals each year but be forgiven of every one of their sins when Jesus died and they accepted him. We accept him and then sin and have no second crucifixion to save us again.

Go on sinning every day until Christ returns and keep asking for his forgiveness each night and see what it gets you. You just can not live in sin, even if you ask for forgiveness each day, and expect God to welcome you to his heaven where you have to be perfect. Why would he make us go through a trials and tribulation period if he is going to forgive everyone every time they sin.

Hell jesse, you might as well say that you could accept the "Mark of the Beast" or "worship the image of the beast" then just ask God to forgive you and all your Blasphemies against God would be forgiven.

And you think I am the devil!

Forget what you have been taught and think for yourself. Don't believe me, read it for yourself. Ask you preacher to explain what I say if you don't believe me. He/she will just skirt around it and not give you an answer.

Show me where the bible says you can be forgiven over and over again for willful, intentional sins. That might make me think twice about what I believe. That would be a blessing even to me.

Paul's letter telling us that Jesus is the advocate between God and us if we sin, is for sinners who haven't been saved before and for sins which are unintentional.

Unique-Lies,

Invite Pastor Murray with you up into your Watchtower and deligently study the trespass offerings.

Study does not mean to go and look for one of them that will not cover an intentionnial sin. Examine the entire tresspass offering structure.

Look for the Good News for once and leave all else in the Watchtower.

I leave all of you with this one last thought.

I never said I believe Jesus is not greater than an animal sacrifice.

I believe just the opposite. Jesus is the only way to the father.

Parkerbrothers is the one who put that in everyone's head, not me. See how easily it is to listen to someone else and think you read it from me?

Judge me according to what I personally say, not what someone else says I said.

If I were antichrist, the world would believe me and follow me, but because I am not, the world hates me and hates the truth that I teach.

Hebrews 10:26-31

26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.

31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

jesse sellers,

Numbers 15:28-31

Explains that if anyone sinned intentionally, they were to be cast out from the Jews.

Back then the world was just beginning again after the flood. Well, approximately 1100 years after the flood.

These laws were given and applied during the period that Moses led the Jews to the promise land.

Both King Saul and King David should have been killed by God if we applied that law to them or at least not foreign of their sins.

Wait a minute! I remember reading where their sins were never forgiven back then. Sins were only covered by the blood of the sacrifices, but could not be forgiven.

Of course, the Kings of the Jews would consider themselves immune from prosecution from the people and lie about their sins. Who would stone them or cast the king out from the people?

Everyone in the old testament could have their sins covered every year and go on with their lives, complete with sins and everything, as long as it wasn't an intentional sin.

Sins can not be hidden from God as we found out reading the old testament.

All their sins were covered until Jesus was crucified. Then they were forgiven if they accepted Christ.

After receiving Christ as their Lord and Savior, they returned to sleeping until they are resurrected, so no chance of them sinning until they are resurrected.

We on the other hand, can accept Christ as a child and if we willfully sin, we can not longer be forgiven. There is no covering our sins with animal blood. We have Jesus and that is it.

Sorry jesse, but when Christ came to earth, everything changed. That was the whole purpose of his coming. To save the world, not judge it.

The bible says that Jesus is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow because He is the one who gave his life for us and redeemed us with his blood and by his stripes are we healed.

Would you show your love and respect for Jesus by intentionally sinning against the one who gave his life for you while God lives within you in your temple.

How would you do that? Tell God to close his eyes and cover his ears while you fornicate, lust, steal or commit some sin?

I believe just the opposite. Jesus is the only way to the father.

Parkerbrothers is the one who put that in everyone's head, not me. See how easily it is to listen to someone else and think you read it from me?

Judge me according to what I personally say, not what someone else says I said.

Posted by Unique-Lies on Sat, Oct 25, 2008, at 12:36 PM

Unique-Lies,

Do I need to go back and repost what you have said that shows you have trampled the blood of Christ and declared it insufficient in your own words?

You have basically said Jesus is the only way to the Father for 10 minutes of salvation then it became Unique is the the way to the Father. By your own words you have hinged the gate so it only opens to a one way path to the Father on the path named Uniques Works. To make matters worse you have hired an axe weilding third party to grub the path out in front of you. At least see your mistake in thinking a chopping ax can grub a road.

Christ died once for all sins, trusting and believing in him is the only way to eternal life.

parkerbrothers,

See how you put words into other peoples mouths?

I have never even told you that I believe I am going to heaven! Just the opposite. I believe I am going to the lake of fire or at best will get to live on the new earth.

I don't confess to be righteous, but a sinner. How does that make me a self sacrifice for my sins? You, Parkerbrothers, make up stories and your followers, follow you.

Michael bell said that he would be in the rapture or he would be martyred for his faith, then he would be raptured up. You made no remark about those two lies. Michaelbell still believes that trusting and believing in him is the only way to eternal life. Trusting, Believing and faith are dead without good works, Love and Charity.

I said I am not going to heaven, but "IF" I am Martyred (or beheaded for my belief) I would be in the 1st resurrection (Rev 20) and would then be allowed in heaven. Now all of a sudden you have me painted as a person expecting a 3rd party axe welding executioner to save me from my sins.

That is YOUR anti-christ way of thinking, not mine.

My first wife married me but slept with all the other men she knew. I left her and done some adultery on my own and lots of fornication after that searching for another wife.

After receiving Christ into my life I sinned again willfully. I was still married to my first wife so I was committing adultery and fornication every time I had sex. I lusted for my neighbors wife and over things as well.

So you see, I am a sinner and do not expect anything from God. If I get salvation somehow, that would be great but I don't look for any.

The bible says when you are saved, you are not of this world so do not go back into the world. How do we not mingle with the world?

You can't see anything advertised on TV but what a woman isn't showing her half naked breasts or flirting in the camera trying to entice men and women alike to buy everything under the sun.

We are not suppose to walk in the world or we are walking in darkness and with the devil. We are suppose to tell satan to get behind us, right jesse? If we don't, we are of the world again and not of the Lord. God is not in us and we know him not.

According to all of you, I have eternal life with Jesus, yet you all tell me I am antichrist, the devil and a person who is paying a 3rd party to save me by making me shed my blood for my own salvation. That is so Anti-christ of you.

Where do you come up with all that stuff?

If I have eternal life, why say I am antichrist? Why Blasphemy the word of God?

If I say I am a sinner and can not be saved again, why say I am trying to save myself by shedding my own blood?

These are parkerbrothers words not mine.

The Final Judgement hinges on "WHAT YOU DONE" not your faith nor your beliefs!

Rev 20:

11 Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. Earth and sky fled from his presence, and there was no place for them.

12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to "what they had done" as recorded in the books.

13 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to "what he had done".

Did you read that Michael Bell?

14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death.

15 If anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

michaelbell,

You better muster up more than just faith.

Faith is believing that something exists when it hasn't materialized yet.

You have to have faith to believe the bible is God's word. You need God's grace, good works, charity and Love to receive ever lasting eternal life in God's kingdom. Good works is giving Love and Charity without sinning and worshipping God and only God.

I don't confess to be righteous, but a sinner. How does that make me a self sacrifice for my sins? You, Parkerbrothers, make up stories and your followers, follow you.

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Sun, Oct 26, 2008, at 11:28 AM

Unique-Lies,

No, all I have done if repeat what you have said.

Did you not say that your salvation only lasted 10 minutes?

Did you not say that your only hope now is for you to allow yourself to be martyed?

I said I am not going to heaven, but "IF" I am Martyred (or beheaded for my belief) I would be in the 1st resurrection (Rev 20) and would then be allowed in heaven. Now all of a sudden you have me painted as a person expecting a 3rd party axe welding executioner to save me from my sins.

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Sun, Oct 26, 2008, at 11:28 AM

Unique-Lies,

I believe the paint brush was in your hand.

Maybe "expecting" is a bad choice of words. Maybe "hoping" would be more appropriate?

I know if I believed like you do in your above statement I would be "hoping" for the third party axe swinger to make his run.

I hope it is safe to say that you had rather have your head chopped off and go to heaven as to leave it on and run around all over hell?

I know I would if I was you and believed as you do.

According to all of you, I have eternal life with Jesus, yet you all tell me I am antichrist, the devil and a person who is paying a 3rd party to save me by making me shed my blood for my own salvation. That is so Anti-christ of you.

Where do you come up with all that stuff?

Posted by Unique-Lies on Sun, Oct 26, 2008, at 11:28 AM

By reading your post. You would probably see it also if you would read your own.

You need God's grace, good works, charity and Love to receive ever lasting eternal life in God's kingdom. Good works is giving Love and Charity without sinning and worshipping God and only God.

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Sun, Oct 26, 2008, at 1:00 PM

Unique-Lies,

What does God view as filthy rags?

michaelbell,

Well said. Very well said.

It is the righteousness of Christ that must be imputed into us. Only through Faith will it flow into us.

Just as all of ours sins were imputed onto Christ to be bore on the cross so must His righteousness be imputed into us.

Once we understand that we will gladly run to Him instead of run from Him.

It is the ones that will try to lay their own righteousness before him that will generate the saying... "Depart from me, you workers of iniquity. I never knew you."

Dr. Gnostic ---:)

Uniquelies,

I believe you must have misunderstood what I was originally saying. I never meant for you to think I was saying the issue was about they were lying. I was trying to tell you then as I am trying to tell you now that I believed one of the things was teaching was they never had a relationship with Jesus because they were too busy trying to earn their way to heaven with their own self righteous acts and works that they never got to know Him and trust on Him for what he was. They never knew Him therefore He never knew them.

Either way that is what I see and learn from those scriptures. You naturally can read and learn what you see fit to from your reading of them.

parkerbrothers,

Had you have said it that way I would have agreed with you 100%, but you said it was because they were lying to Jesus and He could see through their lies.

I was making the point that it was possible to even do miracles in Jesus's name without knowing him (being born again). We were talking about the gifts back then. I used Matthew 7:21-23 as proof of what I was talking about.

Matthew 7:21-23 (New International Version)

21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Jesus says not everyone will go to heaven. Only the ones who do the will of God. Jesus says that many will come up to him on judgment day and say they prophesied, cast out devils and even done miracles in his name, but Jesus will tell them he doesn't know then and all their works were useless as far as going to heaven goes.

parkerbrothers,

Sounds like you might be hallucinating just a might.