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Posted Thursday, November 20, 2008, at 6:46 PM
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It seems with the election and the failing economy that all news in the Middle East is going unnoticed by most.

I see the buildup getting worse until it just explodes.

Iran is close to a nuclear weapon which the world cannot let happen, and Israel won't! First sign of a attack from Iran and Israel will strike first.

Threats from the Taliban are happening more often than in times past.

Pakistan is issuing threats, Afghanistan, we are supposed to be out of the area soon according to Obama, we will be back soon, with the rest of the world for it is foretold.

Just know that the back of the book says that followers of Jesus will win in the end, but we must go through the battle to win the war.

These are the birthing pains foretold in the bible.


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I am no fan of Obama by any means of the imagination but his plans so far that I have read involves removing troops from Iraq and eventually placing more in Afghanistan . . . not removing them. This has been in the news.

Also, Iraq already has enough nuclear material for one bomb.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/11/20/a...

-- Posted by jaxspike on Fri, Nov 21, 2008, at 7:27 AM

same story different day people are not as stupid as you think. people do notice what is going on in the world, but we have hope in Jesus Christ. you are so stuck on the end of times instead of preaching hope and there is good that does go on in the world but people focus on the negative like you. i do not know why i read your blogs but this is the last one.

-- Posted by adder on Fri, Nov 21, 2008, at 7:28 AM

Adder

There is nothing wrong with your hope in Jesus. I have that same hope. But...there are many many people out there that do not have that same hope. What Mr. Bell is doing with this blog is just one more way to get the message out to non-believers. Jesus tells us to "go and tell". Yes, we are to tell the good news but also we are to tell the truth. I believe that is exactly was this blog does.

I am not one to normally post but I do not like to see discouragement to anyone preaching the truth.

-- Posted by ontheoutside on Fri, Nov 21, 2008, at 8:39 AM

-- Posted by auntiefaye on Fri, Nov 21, 2008, at 9:43 AM

-- Posted by auntiefaye on Fri, Nov 21, 2008, at 9:43 AM

on the outside if he wants to reach the public he needs to start a church instead of a blog.

-- Posted by adder on Fri, Nov 21, 2008, at 9:46 AM

I heard this week that when Obama gets in office he wants Israel to go back to pre 1967 boundries.

Rashid Khalidi a professor at the University of Chicago and a Palestinian advocate argues that the world would be much happier with America if the Israeli Palestinian conflict were resolved in a way that was favorable to the Palestinians.

Khalidi made a comment to the far left journal the Nation that the conflict was a "Sore".

Obama said the exact same thing in a speech last week and it was reported by Aaron Klein at the World News Daily.

Obama sat on the board of a far left "Woods Foundation" that gave grants totaling 75,000 to a radical Palestinian "Social Service" group based in Chicago.

I think it's pretty clear what side of this conflict Obama is on.

-- Posted by bellbuckletn on Fri, Nov 21, 2008, at 10:18 AM

on the outside if he wants to reach the public he needs to start a church instead of a blog.

-- Posted by adder on Fri, Nov 21, 2008, at 9:46 AM

Great! You can spot him for the "start up" money. Blogs are free...duh.

-- Posted by ontheoutside on Fri, Nov 21, 2008, at 11:42 AM

Let's not forget, there is not much Obama can do without Congress' consent. Yes, he can declare war and pull the troops out, but that also must be put before Congress. The President of this country has no real powers, he is merely the organizer and go between guy. If he had real powers, his salary would be more than $250,000 a year.

-- Posted by schs_senior on Fri, Nov 21, 2008, at 12:16 PM

Maybe he can do more than you think? Because the President's salary is $400,000 per year, including a $50,000 expense allowance, effective January 2001.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Fri, Nov 21, 2008, at 12:51 PM

on the outside if he wants to reach the public he needs to start a church instead of a blog.

-- Posted by adder on Fri, Nov 21, 2008, at 9:46 AM

adder,

I think the "choice" is his.

-- Posted by parkerbrothers on Fri, Nov 21, 2008, at 1:30 PM

Either way, he cannot do much without the consent of Congress. I guess this shows the economic downfall because apparently University textbooks and lectures are outdated.

-- Posted by schs_senior on Fri, Nov 21, 2008, at 1:41 PM

Schs-senior,

Regarding outdated lectures:

This is very likely because at many larger universities both public and private, the general ed and lower division classes are taught by GA's or adjuncts.

Make no mistake, there is plenty of power at the presidential level.

-- Posted by gottago on Fri, Nov 21, 2008, at 1:49 PM

apparently so

http://people.howstuffworks.com/question...

-- Posted by Dianatn on Fri, Nov 21, 2008, at 1:52 PM

I think Michael Bell needs a sandwich board with a bunch of crazy writing on it that says "THE END IS NEAR! REPENT SINNERS!"

-- Posted by yes we can on Fri, Nov 21, 2008, at 10:35 AM

lol, Don't give him any ideas.

-- Posted by Richard on Fri, Nov 21, 2008, at 2:17 PM

I get plenty of exercise , thank you anyway.

If you don't like what I write , then why read.

A church is coming soon, and you all will be very welcome.

-- Posted by michaelbell on Fri, Nov 21, 2008, at 3:51 PM

Micheal does not the bible say the body is a temple? Why not show us what a true follower would do and get yourself in better shape.

-- Posted by Chef Boy R.D. on Fri, Nov 21, 2008, at 6:21 PM

With a name like Chef boy r d , looks whose talking, I am happy being 6 ft give or take a inch and 250 thank you the new picture I will put on here soon may show you, I don't really care of your opinion.

-- Posted by michaelbell on Fri, Nov 21, 2008, at 7:12 PM

schs_senior here's a little current event lesson

the Congress consists of two houses, the Senate and the House of Representives, as of Nov 4th 2008 the Senate has 57 Dem. and 40 Rep. and the House has 259 Dem. and 176 Rep. that means the Democrats have the majority. And they will pretty much follow what Obama wants to do.

Every two years approximately 1/3 of the Senate is elected so the Republicans could get back in control.

-- Posted by bellbuckletn on Fri, Nov 21, 2008, at 10:37 PM

"With a name like Chef boy r d , looks whose talking, I am happy being 6 ft give or take a inch and 250 thank you the new picture I will put on here soon may show you, I don't really care of your opinion."

I am 6' 1" and 170lbs. Dude you need to really get out more. I don't think it is an opinion, it is a fact you need to get out more and exercise.

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Fri, Nov 21, 2008, at 10:51 PM

I would rather be guilty of being a glutton than the other anyday.

-- Posted by michaelbell on Sat, Nov 22, 2008, at 4:36 AM

Gluttony, my friend is to be a addict to anything in excess, pride, work, sex, drugs, food, or whatever your addiction might be.

Jesus says to be moderate in all that you do.

I know my weakness may be food, but I can walk away from it, can you walk away from yours?

-- Posted by michaelbell on Sat, Nov 22, 2008, at 5:29 AM

Gluttony, my friend is to be a addict to anything in excess, pride, work, sex, drugs, food, or whatever your addiction might be.

Jesus says to be moderate in all that you do.

Posted by michaelbell on Sat, Nov 22, 2008, at 5:29 AM

Michael,

That is what I was trying to get across months ago.

A man can be 6'4" and weigh 150 pounds and be a glutton with food when another man could be 5'6" and weigh 300 pounds and not be a glutton of food.

It is not the seen physical that makes one a glutton.

-- Posted by parkerbrothers on Sat, Nov 22, 2008, at 7:34 AM

Thank you for confirming my suspicions Mr. Bell. You are quick to take others to task here, but when the table is turned on you, you are quick to tell show us your true colors. Take care of yourself first, and then maybe others will follow you.

-- Posted by Chef Boy R.D. on Sat, Nov 22, 2008, at 8:15 AM

Why is it when people don't like what the messsager says, the first thing they want to do is attack the messager. Michael is only spreading GOD"S message. And the only reason some of you react the way you do is because you don't have God in your life.

-- Posted by bellbuckletn on Sat, Nov 22, 2008, at 9:23 AM

Bellbuckle I attend church every Sunday and God is very much in my life. For your information Mr. Bell I am 5'11" and weigh 185. Any other remarks from anyone?

-- Posted by Chef Boy R.D. on Sat, Nov 22, 2008, at 10:28 AM

I would rather be a fat happy Jesus man than a well built Satan stooge.

-- Posted by michaelbell on Sat, Nov 22, 2008, at 11:54 AM

I would rather be a fat happy Jesus man than a well built Satan stooge.

-- Posted by michaelbell on Sat, Nov 22, 2008, at 11:55 AM

Sin is unbelief, therefore I have no sin in my life for I truly believe, Jesus saved me from my sin, what I have now are transgression's, which I ask for forgiveness, not my sin.

Gluttonious means to eat or live[2068 and5315 in the Strong's]

to eat literally or figuratively meat in the Greek.

In the Hebrew 2151- to shake as in the wind-to quake to be loose morally, worthless or prodigal, blow down, riotous, vile.

So see I am not a glutton according to the Hebrew or Greek.

Jesus was called a glutton , and a winebibber because he came eating and drinking, and did not deny it. Luke7:34

Gluttony can be good or bad , I am a glutton when it comes to the love of my God and family and my country, but not a glutton when it comes to sin and immorality, which it seems like the world loves.

When you read your bible, if you do, go back to the original Hebrew and the Greek, for that is what all the people spoke and the writers wrote, and you just maybe might learn something, I did!

-- Posted by michaelbell on Sat, Nov 22, 2008, at 12:23 PM

The so-called 7 deadly sins were man made doctrines, by the Catholic church not Jesus .

-- Posted by michaelbell on Sat, Nov 22, 2008, at 2:46 PM

HAHAHAHAHA Dude so you pick and choose what you want to believe or not believe? It is in the BIBLE that you worship. What a hypocrite!

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Sat, Nov 22, 2008, at 3:38 PM

show me where it says that gluttony is a deadly sin, besides it is atransgression not a sin.

-- Posted by michaelbell on Sat, Nov 22, 2008, at 4:00 PM

a Biblical transgression, violation of God's ten commandments; sin

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Sat, Nov 22, 2008, at 4:07 PM

Keep going, it's funny ...

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Sat, Nov 22, 2008, at 4:08 PM

Mr. Bell, you are doing an excellent job demonstrating why religion gets such a bad rap. You condemn others, but fail to see your own sin. Perhaps you are hiding behind your own guilt and shame of falliing short in your own life. If you want to show us how it's done then prove it in your own life.

-- Posted by Chef Boy R.D. on Sat, Nov 22, 2008, at 4:55 PM

The seven Deadly sins are

Lust,gluttony, Greed, Sloth, Wrath, Envy, Pride as defined by the Catholic Church who divided sins into two principal categories. Seven deadly sins, also known as the capital vices or cardinal sins, are a classification of vices and "venial" sins, which are relatively minor, and could be forgiven through any sacramentals or sacraments of the church.

Gluttony is more than just over eating you can be a glutton for many things such as money, power, food, sex. Being a glutton is the over indulance to anything. Anything that you do that harms the temple of God (which is your body according to the Bible) is a sin. Over eating definately harms the body,112000 people die from obesity-related causes every year.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Sat, Nov 22, 2008, at 5:04 PM

sorry I misspelled indulgence

-- Posted by Dianatn on Sat, Nov 22, 2008, at 5:08 PM

As I said the 7 deadly sins were defined by the Catholic, there are sins against God, others and self.

My life is just fine, no I am not in the peak physical shape, no I don't have the world's greatest job, I do have a wonderful wife and kids, and a great extended family I can depend on.

I am dying to get started in Crossroads, but good things come to those who wait upon the Lord.

I have my shortcomings the same as anybody, you say it is food, it might be.

Tomorrow's blog will explain more of why I am the way I am.

One thing that I have no shortcoming in, that is my faith, and beyond a shadow of a doubt that there is a God who sent his Son to die for my sins,and he is coming back and a whole lot sooner than you think, I am ready! Are you?

-- Posted by michaelbell on Sat, Nov 22, 2008, at 5:19 PM

We all have problems, we all need Jesus!, I have him do you?

-- Posted by michaelbell on Sat, Nov 22, 2008, at 5:51 PM

We all are hypocrites at one time or another, but tjank God for the saving grace of Jesus Christ.

-- Posted by michaelbell on Sat, Nov 22, 2008, at 6:25 PM

"We all are hypocrites at one time or another, but tjank God for the saving grace of Jesus Christ."

Sorry I am not a hypocrite. Not now, not ever. You can't just call on Jesus because you keep repeating the same sin over and over. That is not repenting, it is blasphemy.

Gluttony is a sin not be definition of just the catholic church but by the Bible that you worship. OH please don't tell me the Catholic Church did place that in there, because that argument cannot be used as you stated several month and years ago when I made the same assertations that you discounted as FALSE! Remember you, parkerbrothers, and jesse said I was Satan because I said that very words you say now.

You are a real piece.

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Sat, Nov 22, 2008, at 6:56 PM

blasphemy-the lack of showing reverence for God.

Which my friend I do not do, Deut 21:20 in the Hebrew bible does not mention glutton so therefore I do not worry about it.

Prov.23:21 states a glutton and a drunkard will become poor, According to Obama's standards, I am already poor so that does not fit either.

You must be used to being tickled to much.

I will go eat with sinners and go to the crack houses, and even minister to the homosexuals, but they will hear the love of Christ and be changed if they desire to. I have done the jail monistry several times and am looking forward to going again.

Heck I would even come eat with you if you wanted to.

When I rant against against the homosexuals or other things that the bible states as being deviant, it is against the act , not the person.

The government that condones and and promotes it is wrong also.

Have a blessed day brother evil!

-- Posted by michaelbell on Sat, Nov 22, 2008, at 7:23 PM

See what happens Michael when people point to scripture to call you out on your "sins"... suddenly instead of constantly being the offensive Christian you are, you are forced to be on the defensive.

Choosing to constantly live in sin, as you and parkerbrothers attribute to homosexuality is NO DIFFERENT than CHOOSING to practice gluttony on anything. Yet, when you are called out on it, the blood of Jesus saves you and "we are all sinners"... perhaps if you TRULY believed that you would use that justification for EVERYONE who sins, not just yourself. The reality is, nobody's perfect, nor will we ever be, so to even strive to be perfect is ridiculous. Basically, don't call anybody else out on anything you thinks is wrong, and the you won't have those attacks reciprocated. I don't think its fair game to poke fun at your weight or any other of your sins, however, you should grant everyone else the same respect.

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Sat, Nov 22, 2008, at 7:35 PM

"Prov.23:21 states a glutton and a drunkard will become poor, According to Obama's standards, I am already poor so that does not fit either."

What does Obama have to do with the Old Testament? Once Jesus died that Old testament was nigh.

"I have done the jail monistry several times and am looking forward to going again."

I guess it is easy when people have no choice.

But you didn't answer any of the concerns, instead you mowed over them trying to place blame on Obama and homosexuals.

Why call me Satan when I presented the evidence the Bible was changed months ago and then you use it as an excuse when approached when a fallacy of you own? Therefore would you not be Satan yourself now?

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Sat, Nov 22, 2008, at 7:38 PM

The so-called 7 deadly sins were man made doctrines, by the Catholic church not Jesus .

-- Posted by michaelbell on Sat, Nov 22, 2008, at 2:46 PM

Really, so exactly which parts of the Bible to Jesus actually indoctrinate??? I certainly don't think it was the Ten Commandments, nor one single Leviticus law... yet you seem to say whole-heartedly abide by those? ROFL, the only difference between now and a year ago, is there are 5 times more people who see your hypocrisy. I just don't get why you think you are doing God any favors by constantly contradicting yourself, persecuting everyone by the same scripture that you defend yourself with.

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Sat, Nov 22, 2008, at 7:59 PM

Actually the Catholic Church only defined these as the Seven Deadly Sins they did not make them up they came from the Bible.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Sat, Nov 22, 2008, at 9:00 PM

Old Testament has not nor will ever go away.

Show me chapter and verse that states that there are 7 deadly sins.

Obama has nothing to do with it, but according to most he is to be the saviour of the country or even the world.

I believe Paul was in the New Testament and he talked against homosexuals also.

-- Posted by michaelbell on Sat, Nov 22, 2008, at 9:18 PM

There is no where in the Bible where the traditional "seven deadly sins" are located or listed, although they are all condemned in various parts, along with several others. These "deadly sins" are not necessarily worse than any others that are listed. The Bible makes it clear throughout its New Testament that it only takes one sin,which is an act of disobeying God's law, to separate man from a perfect God, placing him in need of redemption and salvation.

As I said The Catholic Church DEFINES these things as being the seven deadly sins..

Many people use Proverbs as a reference to the Seven Deadly sins. 6:16 -- 19

Then you have Mark 7: 20-23

"..."It is what comes from inside that defiles you. For from within, out of a person's heart, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, wickedness, deceit, lustful desires, envy, slander, pride, and foolishness. All these vile things come from within; they are what defile you.

And for your Gluttony:

Matthew 11:19 The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say,'Behold, a gluttonous man and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners!' But wisdom is justified by her children.

Luke 7:34 The Son of Man has come eating and drinking, and you say,'Behold, a gluttonous man, and a drunkard; a friend of tax collectors and sinners

Deuteronomy 21:20 and they shall tell the elders of his city, "This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard."

Proverbs 23:21 for the drunkard and the glutton shall become poor; and drowsiness clothes them in rags.

There are many more references to these sins but I am not going to set here and pick them all out for you..these are things you should already be aware of if you intend on being a minister.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Sat, Nov 22, 2008, at 10:05 PM

My point exactly, I quoted the same verses earlier, they when calling Jesus a glutton because he was eating with sinners and tax collectors, so if being a glutton is being like Jesus count me in.

Jesus is showing that we are all evil by nature, it is by his grace that we are saved and by the Holy Spirit that we control those evils.

If you say you are saved and kill with premeditated thoughts, or molestation of children or remain a homosexual, then no you are not living for him.

I am not saying you are not saved, for his grace is unlimited.

To do all I can to stop abortion and homosexuality from advancing any further, I will fight with whatever means I have and join others like the A.F.A and other groups.

As far as gluttony goes since you have penned that on me, I have lost weight and that is a older picture anyway.

I do good to eat 1 full meal a day anyway because of being busy or studying.

I am aware of the sins and our habit of repeating them, but the grace of God is unmerited, we don't deserve it anyway.

-- Posted by michaelbell on Sat, Nov 22, 2008, at 10:32 PM

gluttony - habitual eating to excess

There are other ways to be a glutton beside over eating.

greediness, hoggishness, piggishness - an excessive desire

Just being over weight does not make one a glutton I know a lot of people who are over weight and don't eat as much as I do. I would not consider them a glutton by any means but they are harming themself and their temple of God by being over weight. But there is very little we do in life that does not harm the temple of God, if you want to get technical about it.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Sat, Nov 22, 2008, at 10:47 PM

Michael

What I really don't understand about any of your blogs is that you always seem to pick out 2 sins Homosexual activity and abortion (which by the way neither is actually mentioned in the Bible as a sin.) (and don't give me abortion is murder because something must be living before you can murder it, if I do not plant a seed in the ground am I killing a tree? or am I just stopping it from becoming alive?)

It does seem to me though the Bible points out exactly what sins are through the 10 Commandments it does seem you should be preaching on those things that are being broken everyday. "You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain" Everyday I hear on the radio God's name used in vain but not once have you questioned this.

'You shall not commit adultery.' Everyday men and women cheat on the spouses, they even divorce (which is a sin BTW according to the Bible)but yet I have never once heard you call this sin out.

Don't pick and choose the sins you hate..either hate them all or hate none of them.

Jesus said:

'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments" (Matthew 22:36-40).

There was no exceptions to the ones you should love. It did not say Love your neighbor unless he is Homosexual.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Sat, Nov 22, 2008, at 11:48 PM

There was no exceptions to the ones you should love. It did not say Love your neighbor unless he is Homosexual.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Sat, Nov 22, 2008, at 11:48 PM

Dianatn,

What do you think it means "to love your neighbor"?

If you woke up and your neighbor was lying in bed asleep in his burning house what would you do?

-- Posted by parkerbrothers on Sun, Nov 23, 2008, at 6:56 AM

Michael,

People will always be there to wound and try to even kill the messenger of truths. Always have been, always will be there.

Rest assurred though many do understand what you are doing and condone you for it.

On the issue of glutton I understand fully that the definition of it can not be defined by a weight versus height chart. It is attitude that makes one a glutton. Someone can take weight loss to an extreme and be a gluttonous of thought of it.

As you are also well aware from the last previous year there are many ready to pounce on you at the least little thing they can twist. They are always ready to tell you what they do not believe in but can never tell you what to trust in. They want to drag everyone into disbelief with them. They have nothing to base their belief in and want to take yours from you. Evilmonkey is a prime example of this. He will forever tell you that the Bible is nothing much more than fiction but can not tell you what to believe in. He will only tell you what not to believe. He has nothing to base a faith upon and would like to have company with him.

As I have said, I wish people would rely on the lithmus test of intent and look at what the end result of what someone is trying to achieve.

-- Posted by parkerbrothers on Sun, Nov 23, 2008, at 7:14 AM

Adultery is absolutely wrong, same as stealing, murder, using the Lord's name in vain, not honoring your father and mother, as are the rest of the commandments.

Just because the word homosexuality and abortion are not mentioned by word they are assumed to be OK, well they are not.

The Jewish Rabbis teach them as being wrong and I agree with them.

-- Posted by michaelbell on Sun, Nov 23, 2008, at 7:16 AM

So what is the sin of the week going to be this time around? Gluttony,already done that one. Adultery, doubt it. So now are you Jewish? If you are following Jewish teaching, are you forsaking Christ? Poor Mr Bell what confusion you must have in your life.

-- Posted by Chef Boy R.D. on Sun, Nov 23, 2008, at 7:39 AM

No I am not forsaking Christ, just studying from a Jewish perspective, which most people forget, Jesus was Jewish.

-- Posted by michaelbell on Sun, Nov 23, 2008, at 8:57 AM

What do you think it means "to love your neighbor"?

If you woke up and your neighbor was lying in bed asleep in his burning house what would you do?

-- Posted by parkerbrothers on Sun, Nov 23, 2008, at 6:56 AM

To me Love they neighbor as thy self means if my neighbor is hungry to feed him and it he is naked to clothe him. If my neighbor was hungry I could not sit down and eat without feeding him also.It means to care for my neighbors well being as much as I care for my own well being. If everyone would follow this rule we would not have starving children in this world, would we.

As far as waking to my neighbors home on fire, I would do exactly what I would do if it were my own home. I would try with every ounce of me to get them out of harms way and call the fire department.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Sun, Nov 23, 2008, at 10:45 AM

Dianatn

Fetus is a baby just different terminolgy used mostly by the medical proffession, but because it called a fetus it doesn't sound human to man. The medical profession love's that word so they can make money with a clear mind. Oh it's not alive. B--- S---. Some way to justify the process is better than none to them. It helps make humans think a wrong is right. Wonder who came up with that thought I'll bet it's called satan.

Nothing dead grows, it has To be alive to grow. If it's not alive why did the Medical Profession change it's Hippocratic Oath so they could do the process.

It is alive at Conception or it wouldn't grow.

It sounds like a boar hog act to me, because they will eat their young after they are born if you don't seperate the sow before birth. Not humans we gone a step futher, unlike the hogs we kill before birth or at partial birth.

God believes it's a human life, what man thinks is immaterial. God's laws over rides man's "Thou Shall Not Kill" for one. Nothing humane about it.

If a girl is raped and the child is aborted I think the rapest sould be put to death for the murder of that child. If that was inforced a lot less rapes would happen and a lot less lives would be destroyed.

-- Posted by jesse sellers on Sun, Nov 23, 2008, at 11:23 AM

Jesse,

Consider your logic and then answer this:

Is a tumor alive? Not that I would change your mind, only wanted to pose the thought.

-- Posted by gottago on Sun, Nov 23, 2008, at 11:47 AM

Sorry Jesse but I will never see it that way until a fetus can live on it's own it is not living it is only feeding from the mother. If a woman has a miscarriage at 4 or 5 months do they even bury the child? Does the IRS accept an unborn child as a tax deduction? No that does not happen the reason why is because it only has the potential to become a human..

Don't get me wrong here I only believe in abortion during the first trimester I am firmly against Partial Birth Abortions (except in the cases of mother or child's health) Once the child is capable of being born and living without it's mothers body then I believe it is murder.

Abortion is a good thing Jesse Sellers ask any child who has lived in foster homes their entire lives and see if they would have chosen never to be born as opposed to living their childhoods unwanted and unloved and abused. It amazes me the very ones who are against abortions are the ones who are against welfare. I assume they believe everything will work out ok even if the parent can not feed or care for the child just because she had the child instead of having an abortion. I assume it is better to let the child starve to death,rather than "kill" an unborn fetus.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Sun, Nov 23, 2008, at 11:53 AM

Why them are murderers who kill pregnant women charged with two counts, not just one?

-- Posted by michaelbell on Sun, Nov 23, 2008, at 12:15 PM

They aren't Michael unless the mother is far enough along for the baby to live without her support.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Sun, Nov 23, 2008, at 12:19 PM

"Dianatn,

What do you think it means "to love your neighbor"?

If you woke up and your neighbor was lying in bed asleep in his burning house what would you do?

-- Posted by parkerbrothers on Sun, Nov 23, 2008, at 6:56 AM"

Better yet, what would you do? I will take a good guess, you would jump in your car and smash through their bedroom and hit them with the car so they wouldn't burn up alive?

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Sun, Nov 23, 2008, at 12:34 PM

Dianata

What about the Bible verse that states "Thus saith the Lord that made thee and formed thee from the womb...."? The verse goes on to say that the Lord will help you, and for you not to be afraid. Is.44:2.

Psalms 58:3 also says "The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they are born, speaking lies."

God knows every child that has been or will be conceived. He also knows if it will be aborted. He knows everything that will happen to that child as it go down life's journey, good or bad. He knows every crook in the road it will travel. He says he "will never forsake it or leave it". He also knows whether it is doing a wise thing or a foolish thing. But you know what? He leaves that decision to that child and the person raising it to start. He gives that child free will after the age of accountability. Its their choice then, like it is yours now.

God is NOT in control on this earth. We choose. There is a little "g" god (he thinks he is) called satan, that has the lease on this earth right now, because Adam and Eve gave it to him with their sin against God's word, but there is a day coming when his lease will be up, along with our choice, and things WILL BE AS GOD WANTS THEM TO BE. God,Jesus, and the Holy Spitit will be in total control then.

It doesn't matter how much you rant and rave about the perverse things you think are right. They will NEVER be right. There are a lOT of people who will back you up and agree with you, but you and they are still wrong in God's eyes.

You need to look at statistics. A lot of foster children are adopted now. The ones that are not are in the hands of the state's workers and its their fault if the children get in the wrong hands, not God's. They put them in peril by not doing there job. Ask most childern if they think their parents are fair and treat them right and most are going to tell you no they are old foggies they are too strict and out of contact with the modern day ways of life.

Jesus calls us a perverse and wicked generation. And that is just what we are.

gottago

Tumors and fetuses are both alive. Here is one answer.--- One is a mutated cell that didn't die, the other is a human in growth. Two --- One comes from God, and one comes from satan. Which one comes from who in your thoughts?

-- Posted by jesse sellers on Sun, Nov 23, 2008, at 3:07 PM

Jesse,

Don't be a twit. A tumor is mitosis gone awry. I am sure satan has better things to do with his time that to bother himself with biological processes.

-- Posted by gottago on Sun, Nov 23, 2008, at 3:13 PM

There are over 10,000 school age children in Tennessee alone in foster care. There were 510,000 children Nationwide waiting to be adopted in 2006 with the number growing more and more each year There are over 24,000 younger than 1 month old.... So tell me more about adoption because I am sure there are a half of million children out here that would love to hear what you think the adoption statics are..

-- Posted by Dianatn on Sun, Nov 23, 2008, at 4:40 PM

Jesse,

You should adopt a few children.

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Sun, Nov 23, 2008, at 5:43 PM

gottago

No twit just a burr under the saddle.

So mitosis isn't a cell gone astry, spliting into two forming sister cells. One goimg north, and one going south starting a tumor, as it was explained to me. Tell me the real facts then as you know them.

Dianatn

Don't be part of the problem be part of the solution.You really seem concerned so step up to the plate and become a foster parent, if you love children. The state will pay most of the cost. We can help correct the problem you see with just one parent at a time coming foward that will take care of and nurture one child. Out of the millions of people in America 510,000 is not to many for this nation to handle, if love is in their heart like it seems to be in yours.

No we as a nation want an easy way out. Abortion is it, because a fetus is not a live. (Really) Now its in the hands of big business who started that phrase so it could be a money maker for them.

Most parents don't teach children sex is not a sporting event. put the Bible back in the schools for a starter give them some solid footing to help them make the right choices in life.

No, I know that won't happen. Because as I told you before we now live in a preverse and wicked generation and it will get worse as time moves forward. Our society is going against God's will. God will turn his back on this nation and let us create our own demise or death. So it's still our choice.

-- Posted by jesse sellers on Sun, Nov 23, 2008, at 6:36 PM

Monkey I have been a foster parent. It's your time to step up to the plate. My time left here is a lot shorter probably than yours. Unlike you I have paid my dues. So pay yours, but I'll bet you want be part of the solution.

-- Posted by jesse sellers on Sun, Nov 23, 2008, at 6:47 PM

jesse sellers

I have already paid my dues I had my children and still helping with my children's children. I do love children but I have not aged well enough to handle another small child myself.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Sun, Nov 23, 2008, at 6:55 PM

Good for you Dianatn. Some times our children do need extra help in life, and they are our gran children.

-- Posted by jesse sellers on Sun, Nov 23, 2008, at 7:00 PM

Jesse sellers,

Sometimes a tumor is a result of a mutation caused by a teratogen, known or unknown. But sometimes the cells are normal and just experience growth beyond normal regualtion. Any cell divisions that occur beyond what is considered a normal cellular population is the basic definition of cancer. My source, 4 different genetics classes, a couple of biochemistry classes, and a cell and molecular biology class. They teach us these things, ya know.

-- Posted by gottago on Sun, Nov 23, 2008, at 7:03 PM

jesse,

I have kids, but so it is your time to stop giving? Weird didn't know there was some mandated time.

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Sun, Nov 23, 2008, at 8:24 PM

Monkey

I had kids to. Three of ours, and two foster children.

Your still wet behind the ears young man at your age. When you get a little older you will understand better. Dont worry Your time is coming soner than you think.

-- Posted by jesse sellers on Sun, Nov 23, 2008, at 8:46 PM

gottago

Thank you for the explanation.

-- Posted by jesse sellers on Sun, Nov 23, 2008, at 8:49 PM

For those of you with the courage to take in foster children, I commend you. It takes a special person to handle the baggage these kids bring and still keep a demeanor of patience and love.

I will be the first to tell you, I am not a kid person. Never wanted them and am fortunate to have found someone who feels the same. There is a part of me however that does feel a twinge of 'something' when seeing images of orphans or abandoned children. But I know the demands on my life,my temperament, and overall attitudes and those things would be a detriment to parenthood. To all those who step up and create some stability for these kids, I say "God bless".

-- Posted by gottago on Sun, Nov 23, 2008, at 9:33 PM

jesse,

Still wet behind the ears? Guess it is better than dry, flaky and unrelentingly closeminded.

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Sun, Nov 23, 2008, at 11:59 PM

As far as waking to my neighbors home on fire, I would do exactly what I would do if it were my own home. I would try with every ounce of me to get them out of harms way and call the fire department.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Sun, Nov 23, 2008, at 10:45 AM

Dianatn,

Then when are you going to take the same approach to the ones whose home is on fire eternally?

Isn't the fire of an eternal home just as important as a temporary wood home?

Isn't the life of an eternal life just as important as a temporary worldly life?

It really just does not make sense unless someone is truly deep down an unbeliever.

-- Posted by parkerbrothers on Mon, Nov 24, 2008, at 8:31 AM

jesse,

Still wet behind the ears? Guess it is better than dry, flaky and unrelentingly closeminded.

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Sun, Nov 23, 2008, at 11:59 PM

Evil Monkey,

When a man has his mind filled with the Word of God it is a good thing to be closeminded.

It keeps Satan and other worldly things such as Stargate off the mind and out of the body. Try it sometimes and you may become a godlymonkey instead of an evilmonkey.

-- Posted by parkerbrothers on Mon, Nov 24, 2008, at 8:40 AM

Let me edit that correctly since you didn't write that correctly.

When I have my mind filled with the (a book written by men); I feel it is a good thing to be closeminded, since I cannot think for myself and know in my heart what is right and wrong.

It keeps Satan and other worldly things such as Stargate off the mind and out of my body. I will try it sometimes and I may become a unlicensed driver instead of an weapon wielding psychopath.

-- Posted by parkerbrothers on Mon, Nov 24, 2008, at 8:40 AM

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Mon, Nov 24, 2008, at 12:34 PM

I wrote it correctly before as you well know.

When you get dryed off from behind the ears you will perhaps gain a little knowledge.

By the way you act sometimes evilmonkey it is a wonder you didn't end up with one of those mortgages so many ended up with and couldn't pay.

-- Posted by parkerbrothers on Mon, Nov 24, 2008, at 1:28 PM

Let me change things up for a little while and see if I can get it right.

Keep it coming, it's fun being a homosexual chimp...

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Sat, Nov 22, 2008, at 4:08 PM

Now wasn't that something stupid for you to do.

-- Posted by parkerbrothers on Mon, Nov 24, 2008, at 1:39 PM

Rather be a homosexual chimp then a murderous coward that needs to hide behind a steering wheel.

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Mon, Nov 24, 2008, at 2:16 PM

Glad to see you come to admittance on your part. The first step to recovery is to come out of denial. The truth can set you free from your deviant sexual lust EM.

No hiding behind the steering wheel on my part. Actually there wasn't even a steering wheel to hide behind. It was the first thing that got run over.

-- Posted by parkerbrothers on Tue, Nov 25, 2008, at 1:23 PM

Let me get this straight:

When Michael sees a person at risk of dying in their sins,he gets them out of the dangerous situation (even if they don't want to leave or want to take some transgressions with them) because he wants to save them from harm.

He offers them a new life in place of the old one.

Marvin sees someone in a burning building,gets them out of the flames and puts them in a new house?

Seems to me that either way,you wake them up,try to remove the danger,get them to safety,offer them the resources they need and forget about either putting yourself at unnecessary risk OR judging who's worth saving and who isn't.

You call on the folks with the tools and know-how to rescue the endangered party and,in the meantime,try not to make matters worse.

It can be awful facing the fact that one is standing in the middle of a deathtrap but it can be great to make a fresh start in a setting that is safer,more efficient,more beautiful and more comfortable than what one left behind.

-- Posted by quantumcat on Tue, Nov 25, 2008, at 5:00 PM

Seems to me that either way,you wake them up,try to remove the danger,get them to safety,offer them the resources they need and forget about either putting yourself at unnecessary risk OR judging who's worth saving and who isn't

Posted by quantumcat on Tue, Nov 25, 2008, at 5:00 PM

quantumcat,

All are worth saving.

There are usually two obstacles.

One lies in the fact some will actually see themselves in the burning house and choose to lock themselves in and perish with the house.

One lies in the fact that some could be standing in the middle of the burning house from the inside looking out and think they don't need rescuing. They don't realize the fire is burning from the outside walls coming in toward them. They think the fire is speading away from them.

-- Posted by parkerbrothers on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 7:31 AM

Sometimes,the folks in burning buildings never wake up to know the flames are coming.

Some think they have plenty of time to escape.

Some put themselves at risk to preserve things (even good things) that it would be better to leave behind if those treasures would cost the people their lives.

I bet most firefighters would say the priority is getting out of the house safely.

(Have gadgets to detect the fire and give warning,plan an escape route from wherever you are ,remove all the hazards you can beforehand and keep extinguishers and such within reach.)

The home and its contents might survive if the person inside gets away from the flame and gets the right help in battling the conflagration.

What use are our posessions if they survive and we don't?

Knowing and loving God is more than "fire insurance" and his prophets are more than "smoke detectors".

But,being aware of the dangers of accidents,fire,disease,crime,natural disaster,etc.isn't supposed to imbed us in a spirit of fear or dampen our enthusiasm for life.

Our preparations aren't meant to make us smug and oblivious to peril.

They're just supposed to maximize our comfort and safety and keep us from being the victims of preventable loss.

There are easy and prudent safeguards whether the risk comes from the material world or the spiritual realm.

It wouldn't hurt for us to listen to those in the know.

Then,we stand a better chance of holding onto our lives and the joys within them and getting what disasters have stolen from us restored.

-- Posted by quantumcat on Fri, Nov 28, 2008, at 1:49 PM

I know several people who grew up in foster care and wound up with a nice life as an adult. Why is that an excuse to have an abortion?

-- Posted by jaxspike on Sat, Nov 29, 2008, at 1:13 AM

Perhaps,more of us should adopt,sponsor a child,become foster parents or join some sort of mentoring program.

We could try to decrease causes of abortion (physical defects,psychological and spiritual impediments,poverty,overpopulation,etc.) and improve reproductive technology to limit conception,increase the number of healthy births and,perhaps,perfect means of moving a child from the place it began (its birth mother's womb,a fallopian tube or a Petri dish) to a real or artificial womb where it could be brought to term.

As Orwellian as this may sound,we might be better off if people VOLUNTARILY chose not to reproduce their own young unless they had healthy genes and the ability to be good parents.

The ones who made that choice could rear others' babies and/or be surrogate parents for people with good DNA who cannot make babies or who aren't equipped to raise their own offspring.

Puberty could be delayed until the age of majority or menses could be limited to twice a year for twenty years (or less).

Limiting conception to sound genes and parenthood to responsible adults could remove several burdens from our society.

If our genetic material could be horded after we were sterilized (temporarily or permanently),we could choose when or if we became parents.

(There would be no infants created by "accident" but our genes would still be preserved -even if we carried markers for ailments like heart disease,diabetes,or deadlier inherited disorders.)

Fewer and fitter children could succeed us if we advanced in our medical expertise and in our willingness to insure that every child concieved wound up with a healthy body,a wise and loving family and a sane and honest society.

-- Posted by quantumcat on Sat, Nov 29, 2008, at 3:23 AM


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