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The Driving Force Behind Me!
Posted Sunday, November 23, 2008, at 12:13 PM
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People accuse me of being coarse, and sometimes I may be, they accuse me of being insensitive, and sometime I may be.

Other words that come to mind are uncaring unchristian and several others.

I am questioned for my validity and the bible I follow is also question.

In a previous blog it was said that I harped on two subjects and no other.

America has become desensitized to the commandments of God.

Most put everything else before God

People used other religions and charms instead of worshiping God.

People use the name of God to lightly and in ways it should not be used.

The Sabbath , whichever ever day you hold sacred is just another day to most people.

Parents raise and sacrifice for their kids, and more often than not when the time comes the same is not returned.

Murder is looked at as a everyday part of life and most people don't seemed affected by it.

Adultery isn't even considered by most to be wrong, just a change of mind.

Stealing gets a slap on the wrist by most.

We are all guilty of lying at some point even a white lie.

To covet , we are all guilty of that.

People have become dull because of media and no absolute right or wrong in their life.

They go to churches that don't even preach right or wrong, just feel good sermons about prosperity and the love of God.

God is love, but he is a jealous God also, he demands the love and our commitment to reach out to him.

People have to be reminded what Jesus came to earth for and why he is coming back.

He came as a baby in a manger, died on a cross, but when he comes back it will be as judge jury and executioner.

Without his blood on you the death angel will take you out the same as he did in the days of Moses.

If people do not speak out on the problem of homosexuality and abortion, it will start to seem normal by all the nation.

I for one teach my children the bible and the morals that I learned from it, for when I go home they will carry on.

I may not leave them a inheritance or things like that, but they will have my zeal for God!

I still cringe when I hear of a murder or rape or even the name of the Lord in vain.

Churches are guilty as any for letting this come to pass, I for one and hopefully others will join me want to make a change.

We want to raise a generation who will turn back to God, before it is to late.

As long as you come to him in your last breath you have time, make sure you have that last breath.

The bible is to be used for correction and guidance, but it also a book of prophecy, and prophecy is being fulfilled as I write this.

People bash the bible because it shows a absolute right and wrong and the only way to eternal life, the way given by the bible.

They want to do their way or some other way without no absolute right or wrong, well I am sorry my friend there is only one way.

If the bible is just a book of fairy tales as some say, then I have not lost anything at death, if it is is true then you will loose everything. I don't like those odds.

Without the bible, would we know what murder, stealing, adultery, fornication, blasphemy, and all the other things we say are wrong?

Without the bible, what would our justice systems be based on?

Without the bible, well, we would just be lost.


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"Without the bible, would we know what murder, stealing, adultery, fornication, blasphemy, and all the other things we say are wrong? "

To answer that question Yes. I believe Noah didn't have the Bible and he knew it was wrong. Same as Adam and Eve, Daniel, Moses, David, Soloman, Oh My Who else?

You even discredited the Bible in your last blog stating gluttony was added by the Catholic Church. But I guess that was the ONLY thing that was added. What about any of the books of the Bible regarding Women's rights? Do you think they were removed for a particular reason? If you honestly believe the Bible was never changed for political means, you really need to learn your history and your theology. You cannot pick and choose to suit your own agenda; if you do, you are worse than the Herod and the Constantine of Ancient Rome.

As I have stated in the past, I know what I am talking about and I have been down this road before with wannabe know-it-alls like parkerbrothers and yourself. Stop being so stubborn and just read and stop preaching hate. JESUS NEVER DID!

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Sun, Nov 23, 2008, at 12:55 PM

Adam until Moses personally talked and walked with God, after Mose they had the Torah which was their bible.

There was the Greek Septuagint which was their translation of the old testament which existed in the days of Jesus, because Satan quoted from it.

It dates back to 200yrs before Christ so yes there was a bible around.

Women's rights were only void because of the times, and misinterpretations.

Gluttony was never stated as a deadly sin.

That is why I am getting to the roots of my faith , as far back to 1st century Christianity as I can.

In Christ we are all equal, you call it hate , I call it the truth.

-- Posted by michaelbell on Sun, Nov 23, 2008, at 1:11 PM

You know the saying "United We Stand, Divided We Fall", the devil has been dividing Christians since Adam & Eve, and he's realy, realy good at it.

Now Jesus was a perfect human being, He knew the right thing to say at the right time. Preachers are not perfect, they may not be able to explain everything or have the right words all the time.

Here are some instances when God was not very tolerant:

The Ark: Only Noah, his wife, 3 sons and their wifes were on the ark, everyone else died in the flood. That means only 8 people were good enought in the eyes of God.

Sodom & Gomorrah: Lot his wife and two daughters left, the Lord rained brimstone and fire upon the two cities, everyone died. Oh and Lots wife looked back and was turned into a pillar of salt, I guess when God says "look not behind thee" you better not look.

Ananias and Sapphira: Ananias was to sell all his possession, and when he did, he kept back part of the price. When Peter said to him "Thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God" and Ananias fell down and gave up the ghost. 3 hours later Peter ask his wife Sapphira, how is it that ye have sgreed together to temp the Spirit of the Lord? She fell down and gave up the ghost.

Thank God we get to have forgiveness through Jesus Christ.

-- Posted by bellbuckletn on Sun, Nov 23, 2008, at 2:53 PM

The problem is when you go in for an abortion they don't tell you how you might feel after you do this. A lot of these women suffer terrible depression and other psychological problems for the rest of their lives, especially when they get married and start having children. Any woman who has an abortion will be judged for her choice. A baby is a gift from God whether you want it or not.

-- Posted by bellbuckletn on Sun, Nov 23, 2008, at 3:21 PM

No, bellbuckle, a baby is not a gift. It is a responsibility. A parent sets the child on a course that he/she will follow for the rest of its life. If a parent cannot afford to provide for the child or cannot mentally or emotionally be a model for the child that person has no business bringing a child into this world.

Many women are at peace with their choice. They have no notions that they have murdered anything or anybody. Get over your fundamentalist ideas. Most of us are past the dark ages.

-- Posted by gottago on Sun, Nov 23, 2008, at 4:18 PM

If they did not want it then they should of not have done the deed to gey it, if you play , you pay.

I think we may be going back to the datk ages when it comes to the morals of society.

Abstinence is not a bad ideal you know.

-- Posted by michaelbell on Sun, Nov 23, 2008, at 4:29 PM

If they did not want it then they should of not have done the deed to get it, if you play , you pay.

I think we may be going back to the dark ages when it comes to the morals of society.

Abstinence is not a bad ideal you know.

-- Posted by michaelbell on Sun, Nov 23, 2008, at 4:30 PM

excuse the first two comments which were messed up

-- Posted by michaelbell on Sun, Nov 23, 2008, at 4:31 PM

If they did not want it then they should of not have done the deed to get it, if you play , you pay.Posted by michaelbell on Sun, Nov 23, 2008, at 4:30 PM

That is probably the most foolish statement I have ever heard anyone say

-- Posted by Dianatn on Sun, Nov 23, 2008, at 4:56 PM

If they did not want it then they should of not have done the deed to get it, if you play , you pay.Posted by michaelbell on Sun, Nov 23, 2008, at 4:30 PM

No Michael, it is the child that pays.

-- Posted by gottago on Sun, Nov 23, 2008, at 5:01 PM

Gottago,

Thanks I was going to say the same thing.

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Sun, Nov 23, 2008, at 5:41 PM

The man and woman should control their lust so it does not come to that.

-- Posted by michaelbell on Sun, Nov 23, 2008, at 6:12 PM

The man and woman should control their lust so it does not come to that.

-- Posted by michaelbell on Sun, Nov 23, 2008, at 6:12 PM

So Michael you think a man and woman should not have sex unless they are trying to make a Baby?

-- Posted by Dianatn on Sun, Nov 23, 2008, at 6:24 PM

Showing compassion for the life of a child is being in the dark ages? Seriously . . . that is the stupidist thing I have ever heard!

I am sorry, but the only time abortion should be legal is in the case of rape or incest or the risk of the mother's life.

Other than that, it is not right to kill a child just because someone didn't make a responsible choice or didnt use protection.

I am sure my mother would have had an abortion if she was given the choice but fortunately for me she wasn't.

-- Posted by jaxspike on Sun, Nov 23, 2008, at 6:32 PM

No Offense but it is easy for a man to sit back and talk about whether to have an abortion or not considering the fact they do nothing as far as carrying the child for 9 months or actually having to change their lives to fit in a newborn. More than 40% of the fathers of unborn children in the United States walk away from the mother and child untouched.4 out of every 10 children in America go to bed every night not even knowing their father. I am not saying every father has done this nor am I saying every father will but it is much easier for the father to walk away from a pregnant woman and their child than it is for the woman to walk away from her child.

There are very few men in this world who actually take an active role in their children's lives even if they stay with the mother. They still feel it is the woman's place to feed and care for the child and most have a full time job also.

If you are one of those fathers who take an active role in your child's life then pat yourself on the back because you are an minority.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Sun, Nov 23, 2008, at 6:51 PM

I pat myself on the back then.

No, sex is for pleasure, between a man and a woman who are married.

There are forms of birth control, which are not against God's laws, as a matter of fact I have read of some very ancient birth control methods, which were used by ancient man.

Men and women need to accept the responsibility.

-- Posted by michaelbell on Sun, Nov 23, 2008, at 7:03 PM

So does this mean that those who follow the Koran or the Tora are not saved?

-- Posted by Chef Boy R.D. on Sun, Nov 23, 2008, at 7:53 PM

Dianatn . . . my mother was never in my life but for a year or two and those were bad years in my life but my father did an amazing job raising me until he passed away even when he was sick with diabetes and lost his eyesight. You argument is invalid because it doesnt matter who carries the child until birth, a life is a life and that soul should be allowed to experience it because you never know what they may become and what they may accomplish.

If someone doesnt want that responsibility then it is just as simple to use protection. Why should a soul pay for the laziness of another? If a woman doesnt want to go through pregnancy then get on birth control, have her partner use condoms, and etc. I am sorry, but your argument is unfounded and has no merit. You can make excuses all you want but it doesnt make it any more right.

-- Posted by jaxspike on Sun, Nov 23, 2008, at 7:54 PM

Funny thing is I don't have to make excuses it seems the law sees it the same way I do. And in reality that's what really matters.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Sun, Nov 23, 2008, at 8:45 PM

michaelbell,

A Brilliant Blog indeed!

I have a few remarks though.

I, Michael Bell, have been called Satan by your readers and blogers just for quoting bible scriptures. That is worse than being called a false christ or anti-christ. I don't let it bother me because I know what I say is published in the Bibles (KJV or the New International Version). Just because the people in Bedford County can't read it in their bibles, doesn't make me satan.

You harp on more than any two subjects, but that is what preachers do.

In this blog you confess: America is desensitized to the commandments of God; put everything else before God; people worship other Gods and charms and religions; people use God's name in vain; They don't keep the sabbath day holy; Children don't honor mother and father; Abortion is approved by most people or they don't have an opinion; Adultery is an everyday enjoyment; Thieves only get a slap on the wrist; people care less if they do right or wrong; Churches don't preach right and wrong, just a feel good sermon; People don't know or remember why Jesus came and why He will return.

You confessed: WE ALL ALL GUILTY OF LYING, EVEN A WHITE LIE; WE ARE ALL GUILTY OF COVETING. Without his blood on you the death angel will take you out the same as he did in the days of Moses. You can read about it in Matthew 13:36-43 and Matthew 24:36-41.

Michael, you also confessed "We want to raise a generation who will turn back to God, before it is to late.

As long as you come to him in your last breath you have time, make sure you have that last breath".

You are saying that you want to raise a generation who are not homosexuals, lesbians, Muslims, Buddhists or other religion that isn't protestant christian/Jewish/Greek.

Your last line above, "As long as you come to him in your last breath you have time, make sure you have that last breath", blows everything you said in your blog.

You just said that you can do anything you want to do over and over again as long as you find Jesus before you die, if you ask God to forgive you in that very last second or "last breath".

That would be like you saying, it is okay to be a homosexual or enjoy comitting adultery, have as many abortions as you want or any of the things you named above, until just before you take your last breath. Just as long as you ask for God to forgive you before you die, you would be okay.

The bible says that no one comes to Jesus to ask for forgiveness unless God sends them to Jesus. SO if you wait til the last breath, it would more than likely be way too late to be forgiven, because God would have already hardened their heart. He said the evil will continue to do evil and the righteous will continue to be righteous. There won't be any changing at the last breath.

-> If they did not want it then they should of not have done the deed to get it, if you play , you pay.

Posted by michaelbell on Sun, Nov 23, 2008, at 4:30 PM

That is like saying you can't be forgiven for having an abortion once you murder the fetus. That kind of contradicts what you and jesse sellers and parkerbrothers say about just asking God to forgive you then go on about your life sinning again. You would have to let the Homosexuals enjoy their lives together as long as you tell them to ask for forgiveness at the last breath, and this latest thing, the sin of all sins, a woman becoming a man or a man becoming a woman because they feel something inside that we can't. All we can do is pray for our enemies. I wouldn't call them my enemies and why pray for them to change back? Wouldn't that make them feel worst if we confused them even more than we could imagine we were?

Of course, you will not listen to me because I am satan, the serpent according to your followers, but you must read the bible for yourself.

The whole thing is: we do have the bible, yet most people won't read it for them selves and in some cases, want to read other books to explain the bible to them. These other books were not inspired by God like it is told of the bible in 2 Timothy 3:16-17

16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,

17 so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Sun, Nov 23, 2008, at 9:17 PM

people who have commited any sin can repent and turn to Jesus and be forgiven, that is what is great about the Christian faith.

-- Posted by michaelbell on Sun, Nov 23, 2008, at 9:31 PM

Michael, I am not going to argue any of these other issues, but I have to wonder your reasoning when you appear to give the impression that a believer may worship any Sabbath that they see fit. There is no choice of Sabbaths to be observed, there is only one. If you advocate people adhering to the 10 Commandments, you should also include this one. Pauline theology effectively discounts the various other Sabbaths, but holds firm to the weekly Sabbath being observed. It seems to me as though you may be picking and choosing which regulations you desire to lay claim to, and then in the same breath, condemning the negligence of other regulations.

I am not trying to be mean, I just do not understand exactly how you can accuse others of "condoning" sin in certain instances, yet appear to do the exact same thing when it involves an actual commandment.

-- Posted by memyselfi on Sun, Nov 23, 2008, at 9:43 PM

memyselfi,

Because he is a hypocrite.

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Sun, Nov 23, 2008, at 11:57 PM

michaelbell,

People who have committed any sin can repent and turn to Jesus and be forgiven, that is what is great about the Christian faith.

-- Posted by michaelbell on Sun, Nov 23, 2008, at 9:31 PM

When someone repents, they are suppose to feel sorry for their sins and no longer commit them. That means they don't sin again intentionally or willfully. However, before they repent and ask for forgiveness, they are allowed to sin all they want, because God will forgive them of any sin except Blasphemy against the Holy Ghost. So if people choose to sin as Homosexuals or have an abortion for personal reasons or even commit adultery, that is their right to do so. If they don't get saved by their last breath, then they pay the consequences.

The ten commandments are "Laws" and Jesus fulfilled the law so we are no longer under the law but under grace. So anyone who lives by the laws are not of God. On the other hand, the two commandments are not the laws but commandments of God that we are to live by because they don't judge us nor condemn us.

The Sabbath in Israel is from Friday evening at 6 p.m. til Saturday at 6 p.m., so over here in TN it would be Friday at 10 a.m. til Saturday at 10 a.m. because we are 8 hours behind Israel. USA has several Time zones so it would depend on where you lived as to when the Sabbath was. Sunday was chosen as the Sabbath for the USA, but anyone can choose any day as their Sabbath day. The purpose is to make one day out of 7 as a holy day of rest and worship.

A Church has many members. when these members come together and pray for someone or something, Jesus is in their midst, because Jesus said if two or more are gathered together in my name also shall I be in their midst. He also said "That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven".

Matthew 18:19

Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven.

With that said, all you and your church has to do is pray for the sinners and the sick and crippled and diseased people and leave the rest to God the Father. You don't have to go out and find them, God knows who they are and where they are. You can do nothing for them until God sends them to seek Jesus. By praying, your prays will allow God to intervene in the problem or event when He thinks it is the right time. Many people have over come death and disease by people in the churches praying for them. I had several churches in 4 or more states praying for me when I had my heart attack. I didn't even know all those churches. Everyone's friends go to several different churches making their prayers too numerous to count, but God hears them all.

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Mon, Nov 24, 2008, at 12:23 AM

Unique-Lies, I both agree and disagree with your comments regarding the Sabbath. By its very nature, the Sabbath may not be "chosen". It has been since the time of Moses, dusk to dusk encompassing the entirety of the seventh day. It is "forever" and "throughout the generations a perpetual covenant". I challenge you to find scripture that discounts the importance or relevance of the Sabbath. There is one piece that appears to do that at first glance, but upon closer inspection, it most likely does not have that meaning or objective and is referring to pleasing the Jewish leaders of the time, and the non-weekly Sabbaths. Paul observed the Sabbath, as well as the early church. In some places until the 5th century. It was the organized church/state that displaced the Sabbath.

I also understand the concept of the fulfillment of the law. My point is that we cannot choose what we deem to be the important teachings of the Bible concerning sin, and reject the rest based on popular opinion and personal decisions. If the law has been fulfilled, and there is no binding reason to adhere to it, why preach the adherence of the other 9 Commandments? Why, in the same instance, preach against what is not even a Commandment?

-- Posted by memyselfi on Mon, Nov 24, 2008, at 4:11 AM

Did God invent time zones,, daylight savings, or even the name of days? no man did.

A Christian who worships on Sunday or a Messianic Jew who worships on Saturday or whatever day they choose is a follower in my book.

I study from a Hebraic perspective and the more I learn , the more I change.

I am not stuck in the , what I was taught syndrome.

I don't believe Jesus was born on Christmas, nor Easter[ as it is celebrated [ as a Christian holy day.

From the Hebraic perspective I understand the resurrection and rapture of the saints.

The Hebraic perspective gives rules on abortion and forbids homosexuality, therefore I follow them and preach them.

If I learn something opposite of what I have been taught then I change accordingly.

-- Posted by michaelbell on Mon, Nov 24, 2008, at 4:49 AM

michaelbell, Again, I am not trying to be mean or single out your beliefs, just really trying to understand. How can you, in the same comment justify both the following of the rules concerning some Jewish traditions, yet discount the importance of others deemed much more worthy at the time. What I am asking is not what you believe, but why exactly have you come to that conclusion. I do not believe that scripture will support your thoughts regarding the Sabbath from either the NT or OT. With the exception of a couple very unclear verses in the NT.

I will start by telling you what I believe. I believe that there was originally a move for the Christians to separate themselves from the Jews. Subsequently, in the later years, Sunday was already the day of worship (most likely the same pagan sun deity worship as our Christmas probably originated from) that was viewed as a good alternative to the Sabbath, as it was already accepted as a religious day to the Gentiles through the mandates of the Roman Empire. Through time, tradition accepted the position that it was of no consequence which day was observed.

-- Posted by memyselfi on Mon, Nov 24, 2008, at 6:32 AM

dianatn . . . lame answer for lame beliefs. If the law states that killing people is ok to do, then does that make it right also?

Sorry, yet again your reasoning is as flimsy as a sheet of paper. I personally would rather not be known as a baby killer but I do believe it is a women's right to choose . . .to bad though I dont have much faith in many people to do what is right.

-- Posted by jaxspike on Mon, Nov 24, 2008, at 7:24 AM

Funny thing is I don't have to make excuses it seems the law sees it the same way I do. And in reality that's what really matters.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Sun, Nov 23, 2008, at 8:45

Dianatn,

Eve had the law of Satan see it the same way she wanted to see it also. In reality that's what really matters.

-- Posted by parkerbrothers on Mon, Nov 24, 2008, at 8:12 AM

jaxspike

So you believe it is a woman's right to choose? As long as she chooses what YOU feel is right!

Talk about a flimsy answer!!

-- Posted by Dianatn on Mon, Nov 24, 2008, at 10:09 AM

God evidently doesnt think it is too flimsy.

Do you really think God would approve of someone having an abortion?

-- Posted by jaxspike on Mon, Nov 24, 2008, at 10:27 AM

Do you really think God would approve of someone having an abortion?

-- Posted by jaxspike on Mon, Nov 24, 2008, at 10:27 AM

I have never pretended to know what God thinks. All I know for sure is I would never judge anyone who feels they are doing what is best for themselves and their unborn fetus. I personally don't think I would ever choose an abortion for myself but there are people out there that need this option. And I am not in the position to judge them whatever their decision should be.

Abortion is legal, plain and simple, it is a woman's choice and her choice alone. What every woman does with her body and her child has no affect on you what-so-ever whether she aborts or whether she keeps the child. It is her life that is affected by her decisions. It is not your responsibility to be there to feed the child or care for the child when it is sick thus it is not your responsibility to decide the outcome of the mothers decision or to judge her for her decisions.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Mon, Nov 24, 2008, at 10:41 AM

The Bible is so on the mark when it says we make evil look good and good look evil. The majority of you people have your sense of right and wrong so twisted. I pray for you on the day you stand before God at judgement. I wonder what your excuse to God will be?

-- Posted by greeneyes on Mon, Nov 24, 2008, at 10:47 AM

Dianatn . . . your argument pretty much could be used to defend someone who decides to put their three year old child in the back seat of a car and push them into a river to drown. The mother felt she couldn't take car of the child so she thought it was best to end its life of potential misery and since we the public didn't feed or care for the child like she did, then she has the right to murder the child and we aren't allowed to judge her or arrest her. It is the same principal but yet if that actually happened, you would be one of the first to demonize that woman and ask that she be locked up or get the death penalty. It is the sample principal no matter how you look at it. If someone kills someone I don't know, it is still wrong no matter if I was involved or not. Just because someone decided to have sex and enjoy it but didn't protect themselves in the process, doesn't give them an excuse to pick the lazy and easy way out of the situation to abort the child. That is just cruel and very irresponsible behavior.

A life is a life and for you to trivialize it so much makes me sad and makes me think less of you in that regard (And yeah, I know you could care less). There are always options outside of abortion and how dare someone deny a person the right to life and to experience it. A good friend of mine has had to deal with two miscarriages and fortunately she was finally able to have a child but then found out she could not have another child and she was so heartbroken. How can someone like her be dealt with such a bad situation and then some people get pregnant and have abortions as if it is nothing. As the guy on Channel 2 says . . . THAT IS MESSED UP!

-- Posted by jaxspike on Mon, Nov 24, 2008, at 11:57 AM

Any woman who has an abortion will be judged for her choice... by people like you. Posted by yes we can.... GOD will do the judging. I have a friend who had an abortion in college, she now is a Christian. But she still suffers for her decision she made every time she looks at her 3 children. She has told me God may forgive me but I will never forgive myself. It's been 24 years since she made that choice.

-- Posted by bellbuckletn on Mon, Nov 24, 2008, at 12:11 PM

michaelbell,

If I learn something opposite of what I have been taught then I change accordingly.

-- Posted by michaelbell on Mon, Nov 24, 2008, at 4:49 AM

Thank you for this post! This is what I have been teaching on here every since I started posting. I have discovered the real truth and have adjusted my life according to the real word of God.

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Mon, Nov 24, 2008, at 12:15 PM

If you read Genesis Ch.1 v.1-31 It does not mention days of the week as we know them today, it just says day 1, day 2, and so on. If you look on your calendars Sunday is the first day of the week, which means Saturday is the 7th day of the week. A lot of religians still use Saturday as their Sabbath day. The Catholic Church designated Sunday as the day for corporate worship and gets full credit -- or blame -- for the change." This Rock, The Magazine of Catholic Apologetics and Evangelization, p.8, June 1997

-- Posted by bellbuckletn on Mon, Nov 24, 2008, at 12:58 PM

Everyone on here can live what ever life they choose live, I'm only responsible for my own decision and actions. But as Christians we are suppose to tell EVERYONE about Jesus, even those who don't want to hear it.

yes we can its funny how you can see HATE in everyone else but you can see it in yourself. And you can us all the hateful names you want to one day I will be in heaven, where will you be....

-- Posted by bellbuckletn on Mon, Nov 24, 2008, at 1:09 PM

"Everyone on here can live what ever life they choose live, I'm only responsible for my own decision and actions. But as Christians we are suppose to tell EVERYONE about Jesus, even those who don't want to hear it.

-- Posted by bellbuckletn on Mon, Nov 24, 2008, at 1:09 PM"

You hit the nail right on the head, You are responsible for YOUR decisions and actions. You are the most intelligent being here by saying that, but then you say the second sentence? I think the only hate he sees in the same mind-numbing crap that Michael Bell reiterates over and over. I haven't seen any hateful names from 'yes we can'.

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Mon, Nov 24, 2008, at 1:22 PM

memyselfi,

I believe it was the Catholic Church which originally declared Sunday as the Sabbath day!

The Ten Commandments say to Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy... That is the 4th Commandment. However the Catholic Ten Commandments says Remember thou keep holy the Sabbath day. They have it as their 3rd Commandment.

The Ten Commandments were laws given to Moses by God to give the Jews laws to live by to be His people. Jesus fulfilled those Ten Commandments and gave us two Commandments to live by that wouldn't remind us of our sins we commit because we can not obey the laws.

Jesus said I have come not to destroy the law but to fulfill the law. He said if you are born again, you are dead to the law and no longer bound by the law but the two commandments.

He said you were given Moses' law but you could not obey them because the law doesn't prevent you from sinning. The laws only remind you of all the sins you have committed, making you feel worst than if you had not known the laws.

Jesus was telling us that if we are born again, we are no longer under the laws nor the Ten Commandments, but were to obey the Two Commandments instead. The Two Commandments would cover all the other Ten Commandments without listing them to show us how many sins we committed each day.

Neither of these Two Commandments list the Sabbath day, so the day we make as the Sabbath day is not important to God, but only that we keep one day Sabbath to worship God.

Now, if you are not born again, the Two Commandments won't apply you. You would still be under the laws AND the Ten Commandments because you aren't covered by God's grace yet. Jesus said the laws are for the lawless not the righteous. If you are a born again Christian, you are suppose to be righteous not lawless.

So, the Ten Commandments were never done away with for the sinners and the lawless, but don't apply to the born again Christian.

Anyone who believes the Ten Commandments are laws that they must obey, then I would say they do apply to that person. However to a born again Christian, they are not our laws, because Jesus has fulfilled them for us. We are only bound by the Two Commandments:

1. Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.

2. Love your neighbor as yourself.

Even the framers of the U.S. Constitution knew this and used it in the Constitution as our rights.

We who are born in this country have a right to do anything that we want to do as long as we do not injure anyone or do property damage.

1. We do not injure anyone; we don't bodily injure anyone or violate their constitutional rights.

2. We do not damage anyones' property.

No other laws apply, according to the U.S. Constitution, unless such laws are published in the Federal Register.

These 2 laws do NOT apply to anyone who was not born in this country. 14th Amendment Citizens are subject to the exclusive jurisdiction of the United State and of the State in which they reside.

So we see that Jesus himself said we are not under the laws nor the Ten Commandments (IF) we are born again. However, those who are not born again Christians must live by the Laws and Ten Commandments.

Matthew 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Mark 7:7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

Romans 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

Romans 7:5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.

Romans 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

Romans 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

Romans 7:8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.

1 Timothy 1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,

Galatians 3:13 - Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law,

Galatians 5:14 - For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this;

Romans 6:14 - for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

Romans 8:2-4 - That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us

Romans 10:4 - For Christ is the end of the law

Romans 13:8-10 - therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Galatians 2:19,20 - I died to the law.

These are just some of the scriptures that says a born again Christian doesn't have to obey or even know the Ten Commandments. We are bound only by the Two Commandments which does not say when the Sabbath is or that we even have to obey it other than to Worship God with all our heart mind and soul.

Sounds pretty clear to me!

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Mon, Nov 24, 2008, at 1:32 PM

That is funny Evil Monkey . . yes we can just called me pyscho. Tell me how that makes her so much better?

I am not a religious person but I do believe in life and what it stands for. Taking a life no matter the excuses given is still wrong.

BTW yes we can . . maybe you should practice what you preach when it comes to name calling. You have no clue who I am or what I support. I guess its easy to come on here and call people psycho when they disagree with you. Also, we already legislate morality (murder, stealing, etc). Maybe you should learn more about the words you throw around.

-- Posted by jaxspike on Mon, Nov 24, 2008, at 1:37 PM

jaxspike,

I am not talking about you or Dianatn?

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Mon, Nov 24, 2008, at 2:11 PM

jaxspike, please quit trying to reason with "yes we can". I think he/she may be coming unglued when faced with the ugly truth about abortion. You wouldn't want to be responsible for that would you?

-- Posted by devan on Mon, Nov 24, 2008, at 2:12 PM

Yes we can . . . personal attacks only show your inability to have an actual civilized discussion or debate and usually equates back to the fact that you lack the means to discuss your opinions in an intelligent or sensible manner. As far as asinine comments, you stated an opinion that was not fact and I proved you wrong. Sorry if that offends you.

You can call me all the names you want . . . in the long run it only makes you look like the lesser individual. :-)

Also, I am not basing my opinion on the bible or religion . . . I base my opinion on the simple belief that killing someone is a basic wrong.

-- Posted by jaxspike on Mon, Nov 24, 2008, at 2:44 PM

I am not painting anyone as anything . . . I am just stating my belief that it is wrong to have an abortion. Am I not suppose to have a belief that is different from yours?

-- Posted by jaxspike on Mon, Nov 24, 2008, at 2:54 PM

Odin's Prayer

The forests sing, the oceans cry.

The ravens soar through every sky.

Into the corners of Asgard.

Where Odin hears the score, thus far.

On Sleipner, he rides on through,

Surveys the bloodshed before you

Commands Valkries too fly you home,

Too sit and serve by Odin's throne!

ODIN! Hear my call,

My soul belongs too thee,

FIRE! On my sword

Will bequeath victory.

Brother Loki carries the flame

And Thor throws down the light and rain,

Upon the dragon-boats, assail

The Norsemen's battle-call does wail.

Storming ashore with torch in hand

Claiming conquest upon the land,

To one day, view the Cosmic Tree

And hang from it, the same as he.

ODIN! Now I know,

The secrets of battle,

FIRE! BLOOD and COLD!

When the dust settles!

An ancient battle of the gods

To claim the land around, as ours,

To remain strong as number one,

At the behest of Odin's sons,

To see the after-life assured

And all man's imperfections, cured,

So one day, everyone will share

The hidden words, of Odin's Prayer…

ODIN! ! ! ! Grant my soul,

Unfettered passage through,

To Valhalla's halls

So I may rest with you! ! ! ! !

-- Posted by lazarus on Mon, Nov 24, 2008, at 2:57 PM

memyselfi,

Sorry, I didn't answer all your questions.

-> If the law has been fulfilled, and there is no binding reason to adhere to it, why preach the adherence of the other 9 Commandments? Why, in the same instance, preach against what is not even a Commandment?

You are correct in a way but because some people are still under the law, we can not just ignore the Ten Commandments for their sake.

In Paul's day, they were taught that they should not do anything that was okay for them to do, if it was wrong to do for the people they had come to teach. It would make them look like sinners or Hypocrites.

For example; they were allowed to eat anything sold in the meat market, but not to eat it if their guests thought it was a sin to eat it.

1 Corinthians 10:25-33

25 Eat anything sold in the meat market without raising questions of conscience,

26 for, "The earth is the Lord's, and everything in it."

27 If some unbeliever invites you to a meal and you want to go, eat whatever is put before you without raising questions of conscience.

28 But if anyone says to you, "This has been offered in sacrifice," then do not eat it, both for the sake of the man who told you and for conscience' sake--

29 the other man's conscience, I mean, not yours. For why should my freedom be judged by another's conscience?

30 If I take part in the meal with thankfulness, why am I denounced because of something I thank God for?

31 So whether you eat or drink or whatever you do, do it all for the glory of God.

32 Do not cause anyone to stumble, whether Jews, Greeks or the church of God--

33 even as I try to please everybody in every way. For I am not seeking my own good but the good of many, so that they may be saved.

Romans 14:20

Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. All food is clean, but it is wrong for a man to eat anything that causes someone else to stumble.

In Mark 7:1-23, Jesus tells the Pharisees and scribes that they are hypocrites because they worship man made doctrines, traditions and commandments instead of God's Commandments. They were talking about the "Tradition" of washing their hands before eating in the wilderness. Jesus is saying that the Pharisees and scribes would rather worship their own man made traditions than God's Commandments.

So that is why we see all the other 9 Commandments pushed than just the Sabbath Commandment. They are not Born again Christian teachers or they don't know that they are not under the law. They should teach their congregation that they should accept Jesus and then they are no longer under the Ten Commandments, but under God's 2 commandments. Not only does their congregation not know this, but neither do the churches. So (Anyway) they have to preacher the Ten Commandments for the purpose of the sinners. It would be wrong to do otherwise, because Jesus said it is a sin to say the Ten Commandments and the laws were done away with!

The Laws of Israel and the Ten Commandments were given to the tribes of Israel not the gentiles. When the gentiles were adding into the forgiveness salvation, it was after Christ had died. Jesus had already fulfilled the law for us by this time, so we were never under the Jewish laws but under God's two commandments when we become saved by Jesus's sacrifice.

So in answering your question, The Ten Commandments must be taught for the sinners, but anyone who has accepted Christ is no longer under the law nor the Ten Commandments. They are bound only by the Two Commandments. To say otherwise, is to say they are living by the law and that is a sin and saying Jesus died in vain. If Jesus died in vain, they we would all be under the law because Jesus would not have fulfilled the law for us.

If you have been saved, you are NOT under the Law nor the Ten Commandments! If you are under the law or the Ten Commandments, then you are not saved.

You are no longer under the Homosexual laws or Abortion laws or false religion guidelines. You are only bound by the two commandments which would not include those things in your life. If you are saved, God lives in your Temple. God would leave your Temple if you had an abortion, had sex with another person of the same sex or worshiped other gods or even committed adultery.

Those things just do not come under repentance!

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Mon, Nov 24, 2008, at 3:04 PM

Hey did you stop beating your wife yet?

-- Posted by yes we can on Mon, Nov 24, 2008, at 3:34 PM

Um that is very uncalled for; really if you want to state your opinions please do so, but attacking someone because they don't agree with you is unwarranted.

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Mon, Nov 24, 2008, at 3:49 PM

Spirits that minish heaven and earth,

That minish the land,

Spirits that minish the land,

Of giant strength,

Of giant strength and giant tread,

Demons (like) raging bulls, great ghosts,

Ghosts that break through all houses,

Demons that have no shame,

Seven are they!

Knowing no care,

They grind the land like corn;

Knowing no mercy.

Thay rage against mankind:

They spill their blood like rain,

Devouring their flesh (and) sucking their veins.

Where the images of the gods are, there they quake

In the Temple of Nabű, who fertilises the shoots of wheat.

They are demons full of violence

Ceaselessly devouring blood.

Invoke the ban against them,

That they no more return to this neighbourhood.

By heaven be ye exorcised! By Earth be ye exorcised!

-- Posted by lazarus on Mon, Nov 24, 2008, at 4:21 PM

whose spirit are you trying to exorcise lol

(where are those little emotion smileys when ya need them)

-- Posted by Dianatn on Mon, Nov 24, 2008, at 4:48 PM

The conversation ends here with that comment yes we can! As a survivor of child abuse, I resent someone making such a hateful remark as that or insinuating as such even though I am not married.

Seriously . . . I hate the fact that you can not have an intelligent discussion on these forums without people getting rude and disrespectful!

-- Posted by jaxspike on Mon, Nov 24, 2008, at 5:11 PM

http://www.voe.org/index.php?option=com_...

Just wanted to share this, uncanny timing isn't it?

-- Posted by michaelbell on Mon, Nov 24, 2008, at 7:53 PM

Mr Bell, for someone who is supposed to be full of love for all, you sure do look mad about something in your new photo. Have you been looking into your own sin too much lately?

-- Posted by Chef Boy R.D. on Mon, Nov 24, 2008, at 8:58 PM

That is no frown, just a serious look.

-- Posted by michaelbell on Tue, Nov 25, 2008, at 4:37 AM

Did someone take your fork away?

-- Posted by Chef Boy R.D. on Tue, Nov 25, 2008, at 8:01 AM

Have to love the immature and childish posts of some individuals on here . . . pretty much explains their character or lack thereof.

-- Posted by jaxspike on Tue, Nov 25, 2008, at 8:28 AM

I told you jaxspike (yes we can)'t take it - slowly slipping into la la land.

-- Posted by devan on Tue, Nov 25, 2008, at 3:55 PM

I do like the intense look,the clarity of the eyes and such in the new pic.

(It has the feel of a prophet or old-timey hero.)

That said,I still prefer the open and positive look of your more recent likeness,

The current "more in sorrow than anger" expression shows a concern for the damaged soul but the smiling face with childlike wonder in the eyes shows the enemy as pretty irrelevant.

Our faith is about living WITH the Lord rather than without satan.

Wellness is more than the absence of disease and injury.

Life is more than the absence of death.

Prosperity is more than the absence of deprivation.

Freedom is more than the absence of slavery/incarceration.

In this same sense,our salvation is a positive force giving us health,liberty,love and the desires of our heart.

(We aren't "less miserable" or suffering because all the pleasure has been extracted from our lives "for our own good".)

Believe it or not,but the Lord Michael,Marvin ,etc. talk about can make a century in Hell or months in a death camp more pleasurable than Heaven would be if He weren't there.

That's why people who had it made on the world's terms turned their backs on their old lives to embrace a faith that offered them persecution,imprisonment,and every form of man-made suffering.

All God had to offer was truth and love yet that translated as having life and having it more abundantly.

We know too many cases where people had all earthly perks but had no reason to want to continue living.

We also know people who had torment heaped upon them yet greeted each moment of life with joyous anticipation.

Believers can contract depression and have a keen awareness of factors that would make the very angels sorrowful and angry.

But,faith can ease the negativity that can make each hour in this world an agony.

Believers can smile,laugh and hope -not because they're foolish,ignorant,smug or self-deluded but because they know the Author of all Wisdom.

Michael,you cover serious topics but don't be afraid to show the dynamic serenity of someone who knows a risen Savior,knows sin has been erased and who has been healed and energized by the Holy Spirit.

("When Harry Met Sally" has nothing on "When We met Jesus".

Let the joy (as well as the strength) of your countenance prompt the less blessed to say "I want what HE's having!")

-- Posted by quantumcat on Tue, Nov 25, 2008, at 4:23 PM

Well said quantumcat

Those convinced again their will,

will be of the same opinion still.

Unforntunity there will be those who will never except Jesus' gift, but that's their choice.

-- Posted by bellbuckletn on Tue, Nov 25, 2008, at 4:41 PM

Its ok devan . . that individual showed their true colors on here and only made themself look bad. I am not worried about it because they probably live a very unhappy life and that is why they have to act as such on here. It is pretty sad actually . . . but it doesn't change my life or beliefs and life goes on.

I find it kind of ironic though that an Obama supporter would act in such a manner.

-- Posted by jaxspike on Tue, Nov 25, 2008, at 6:24 PM

Yes, I must come clean, I am a raging lunatic, For God that is.

If wanting a society who worship Jesus, and have biblical morals then I am your man.

No drug offenders, no sex offenders, no homosexuals, no abortion except for the 3 reasons I stated earlier.

To have rights in this country, you have to be a citizen and pay taxes[that would fix your budget]

Children and adults would be able to express their faith wherever and not be criticized and belittled.

Prisoners would get do punishment, not 3 hots and a cot[ chain gangs would be a start]

Habitual offenders would not get paroled.

Most of all churches would get together to make a change for the positive, then I am insane I guess.

I know we all have our ideals of what society should be I guess mine would be Mayberry, where the drunk checks himself into jail, and a sheriff that has the respect of the citizens to not carry a gun.

There has be a place somewhere close.

-- Posted by michaelbell on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 5:19 AM

Unique-Lies, I do appreciate your well thought out and thorough replies. However, I fail to see anything but a somewhat circular argument in them. The point I am trying to make is that you are separating the observance of the Sabbath, and clinging to the basic doctrine that other "sinful" actions that are displeasing to God fall into a more severe category than the negligence of this commandment. In other words, what I can make of your answer, if you do not mind me paraphrasing, is: "to commit homosexual acts is a transgression that displeases God, while neglecting the Sabbath is not an issue. One violates Jesus' Law and the other does not." On what grounds do you assert this? Before you answer, please consider the textual importance of the Sabbath compared to the comparatively few scriptures involving homosexuality. Also, please remember the importance of the Sabbath, and why it is to be observed.

Again, I do understand fulfillment. I also have a fairly good understanding of the scriptures, so it is not necessary for you take the extra time to quote. What I am asking is how this particular Commandment that would, to my way of thinking, fall within the scope of the first of Jesus' Commandments come to be modified while others are placed into a higher category of importance. Better yet: Who decides, and how do they reach the conclusion, exactly which transgressions fall under the umbrella of repentance? Just to make sure you understand me, I am not taking a position on Sabbath observance or the Law, just pointing out that it would be hard to reconcile taking 2 positions at the same time.

-- Posted by memyselfi on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 5:38 AM

The following is a poem written by Judge Roy Moore from Alabama. Judge Moore was sued by the ACLU for displaying the Ten Commandments in his courtroom foyer. He has been stripped of his judgeship and now they are trying to strip his right to practice law in Alabama! The judge's poem sums it up quite well.

America the beautiful, or so you used to be.

Land of the Pilgrims' pride; I'm glad they'll never see.

Babies piled in dumpsters, Abortion on demand,

Oh, sweet land of liberty; your house is on the sand.

Our children wander aimlessly poisoned by cocaine

choosing to indulge their lusts, when God has said abstain.

From sea to shining sea, our Nation turns away

From the teaching of God's love and a need to always pray.

We've kept God in our temples, how callous we have grown.

When earth is but His footstool, and Heaven is His throne.

We've voted in a government that's rotting at the core,

Appointing Godless Judges who throw reason out the door.

Too soft to place a killer in a well deserved tomb,

But brave enough to kill a baby before he leaves the womb.

You think that God's not angry, that our land's a moral slum.

How much longer will He wait before His judgment comes?

How are we to face our God,from Whom we cannot hide?

What then is left for us to do,but stem this evil tide?

If we who are His children,will humbly turn and pray;

Seek His holy face and mend our evil way:

Then God will hear from Heaven; and forgive us of our sins,

He'll heal our sickly land and those who live within.

But, America the Beautiful, If you don't - then you will see,

A sad but Holy God withdraw His hand from Thee.

~~Judge Roy Moore~~

-- Posted by cherokee2 on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 6:30 AM

michaelbell, I also have 2 questions about your most recent comment. Why would you include "drug offenders" in your short list of problem citizens, as opposed to those who generally defile their temple? To my way of thinking, there are many legal examples of this that could easily supersede a drug conviction, or more precisely, their use that resulted in the conviction.

My second question is: Would children and adults of any and every religion "be able to express their faith wherever and not be criticized and belittled"?

-- Posted by memyselfi on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 6:31 AM

yes we can . . you say I don't know anything about you yet you know nothing about me but yet you have called me psycho and other such nonsense. Um, do you see the irony in that?

Just so you know me . . . just because I do not support abortion does not mean I follow Michael Bell or what he believes because anyone can tell you on here including Michael himself is that I have disagreed with many things he has said and have been very vocal about it. You never bothered to check the facts or see what I am about . . . you just figured it was easier to lump people together and assume they were the same just because someone disagrees with you. That makes you the culprit in this argument. I am not some bible thumping religious zealot who voted for Bush and believes that everyone is going to hell. I have voted for a Democrat for president in every election until this year and then I voted for a third party candidate because I did not think McCain or Obama could fix the financial mess we are in. I am a fairly open minded person who has both liberal and conservative ideas(I do not believe in abortion but I do believe it is ultimately a woman's choice while I also believe in gay rights). Unfortunately you don't bother to see stuff like that and use the typical insane rhetoric to pass judgment when you don't even know the person.

No matter the case, I expressed my opinion and that is all it is on here . . what I say isn't the rule and I recognize and respect that and I am open to discussion and debate. Unfortunately for you, you showed you weren't capable of that and became the lesser person by resorting to childish name calling and stereotypes. Will I change my opinion, probably not because I have very deep convictions about my beliefs but you never know. I believe everyone is entitled to life and being happy. I see nothing wrong with that and you will probably never convince me otherwise and if you knew what I went through growing up, you would understand why my convictions are so deep and strong and especially about the life of a child. I believe every child has the right to a life and to see what their potential is and not because it is in the bible but because my father show me unconditional love no matter the situation and even though he died when I was ten, it was that love that got me through some amazingly dark times growing up and I turned out fine. I think every child should have the chance to experience that love and the possibilities the world has to offer. Maybe it is sentimental but it is what I believe it and if that makes me naive, then so be it.

Mainly though you need to look at yourself and see what you say and do before accusing other people of doing the same thing you are doing. That is all I have to say on this matter.

-- Posted by jaxspike on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 8:21 AM

yes we can,

"i exposed michael bell for a raging lunatic and you people keep right on truckin'."

Really? Darrick04 and I both exposed his hateful remarks over a year ago. Think you need to re-read the last years worth of crap he has posted before claim anything. 90% of the readers on here already know Michael is full of it.

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 11:19 AM

It's ok yes we can . . evidently you wrote the book on being crazy and personally signed it.

You are alone on this forum . . . maybe you should take that as a clue. Sounds like your own feelings are getting hurt because someone points out your own hypocrisy.

Its ok though because we forgive you just like we do Michael Bell. Some people just dont know any better and actually you and Michael are a lot like in your extreme points of view . . you just happen to be extreme left and he is extreme right. Maybe you two should compare notes because no matter how you color crazy, it is still crazy. :-)

-- Posted by jaxspike on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 2:28 PM

regardless, i understand you all live in shelbyville. small conservative towns tend to breed the kind of attitudes i'm dealing with here.

-- Posted by yes we can on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 2:47 PM

Actually, not all of us live in Shelbyville and truthfully, that statement is hardly relevant. There are narrow minded people everywhere and even open-minded individuals can be close-minded sometimes. We all have our 'things', you know. But your statement implies a judgement of ignorance or lack of education on those who have posted here. Keep in mind that unless you are the holder of a terminal degree in,say theoretical physics or something of the like, that maybe you should think twice about that opinion.

You are relatively new to this forum, but many of your posts are vitriolic. You will find that it is rare that posters insult each other in the manner that you have insulted some. No one 'gets their feeling hurt' in a blog,as no one cares that much what you have said. Please maintain some civility in your posts.It makes your points more interesting.

-- Posted by gottago on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 3:47 PM

parkerbrothers,

I want to apologize to you calling you the supreme troll, apparently you aren't LOL... See above.

Jaxspike,

While I might disagree with you some of the time; you still crack me up with your responses.

Hope everyone has a Safe and Happy Thanksgiving! I need to finish up a messload of work before tommorrow. I have a feeling I am going to be working through the entire holiday:(

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 4:50 PM

Did ya'll know that you can burn boiled eggs? Well in case you thought it wasn't possible let me assure you of that possibilty :>(

-- Posted by Dianatn on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 5:43 PM

Yes We Can... I can clearly read that you don't need my help at all but I wanted to put in my two cents here.

As for the comment about birth control, haven't you all heard its not 100 percent effective. The fetus could not live outside the mothers womb. I get that it will grow into a person but to call it murder is far fetched. By this standard if a woman falls while pregnant and has a miscarriage then you could charge her with involuntary manslaugher. Sounds crazy doesn't it? If you are going to entertain one you have to entertain the other as well. I agree there may be woman that are haunted by their decision but there may be others that look back and can say it was the right decision for them at that point in their life.

-- Posted by flat creek girl on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 5:47 PM

Happy Thanksgiving to all and remember to give thanks for salvation from our Father above.

-- Posted by michaelbell on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 6:27 PM

"Involuntary manslaughter usually refers to an unintentional killing that results from recklessness or criminal negligence, or from an unlawful act that is a misdemeanor or low-level felony (such as DUI). The usual distinction from voluntary manslaughter is that involuntary manslaughter (sometimes called "criminally negligent homicide") is a crime in which the victim's death is unintended."

Based on the definition above your analogy is not even remotely accurate.

The crux of the argument for or against abortion is at what time human life begins - at conception or some determined point in development. "yes we can" and the rest of the pro-choice community believe life either does not start at conception and/or has no value until some determined point in development. The pro-life community believes that life does start at conception and deserves to be protected from that point forward. It seems you think we are ignorant for our beliefs and we think you are equally so for yours. I wish there was some middle ground but there does not seem to be.

-- Posted by devan on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 6:47 PM

Evil Monkey . . . sometimes I have to have a good laugh to keep myself from taking things too serious on this forum. At the end of the day, we just have to move forward and try and enjoy life and forgive the disagreements we have. And really, the world would be such a boring place if everyone agreed with each other all the time. :-P It sucks though you have to work but I remember a time when I use to have to work through the holidays so I feel your pain but I still hope you find time to have a great Thanksgiving.

Yes we can . . .even though I was born here, I have not lived in Shelbyville all my life. I don't look down on anyone who have spent their lives here because there are some amazing people here who have lived here all their lives and I think the world of them. There is good and bad in every town and city in the world . . . you just have to choose what you want to see. At least I now know I am a balanced person because people at work call me a bleeding heart liberal and you seem to think I am the opposite so that must mean I am somewhere in the middle where aspire to be. Anyway, I am still going to wish you and your family a great Thanksgiving and hope that you can eventually see the good in many of us.

Dianatn . . . you would be surprised at the things I have burned or destroyed in my attempts to learn to cook. I am better now though . . . no one has died yet from my cooking. :-) I also hope you have a great Thanksgiving and hope you don't burn anything else.:-P

No matter how much I might disagree(or agree in a few cases) with you Michael, I hope you and your family also have a great Thanksgiving full of love and joy and happiness. Just remember to not drown any kittens in the river(thank god she didn't say puppies or I would have to hurt you myself because I LOVE puppies because they are so cute and adorable and they are PUPPIES! :-P) and you should change that picture . . . a smile is always more pleasurable to look at and especially during the holidays.

-- Posted by jaxspike on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 6:58 PM

Happy Thanksgiving to you, also Jaxspike and to everyone else out there in Cyberspace.

But Jaxspike I personally have never seen you as a Bleeding Heart Liberal more of a soft conservative with Liberal edges. :>) and that's not an insult

-- Posted by Dianatn on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 7:11 PM

I wonder if I made some base comments if that would counteract the sulfuric acid-tainted posts.

(Hmmm...SULFUR!!! Could the mean-spirited remarks have been authored by...satan???)

DianaTn,I know too well one can burn boiled eggs.

Now,tell me how to get sweet taters and jet-puffed marshmallows off of 12 foot ceilings.

May God bless us all-even when we act like turkeys and try to make mincemeat out of each others' beliefs.

I'm thankful I get to blog with all of you.

(Evil Monkey,don't get bogged down in work.

Tomorrow is a day for appreciating what we have,giving to those less fortunate and allowing others to add their light to our lives just as God has done.

We set aside special days for special purposes because if we assign such things to "someday",they may not get done.

Tommorow is our day for rejoicing in what we have and being grateful for the generosity of others.)

Even after being subjected to disease,abuse and enslavement by strange visitors,Squanto's people and other "savages" continued the ancient,world-wide tradition of giving thanks by sharing their material and mental resources with those less fortunate than themselves.

We can continue the trend set at the "original" Thanksgiving by,perhaps,being the gift someone can be thankful for.

-- Posted by quantumcat on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 8:42 PM

Kittens,foals,etc. are adorable,too,jaxspike.

If you want to try putting any baby critters under water,try koi.

(They kinda like it.)

Any unappreciated air-breathers need to be turned over to Cheryl and/or the Lord.

Then,perhaps,they could be adopted by a Pharoh's daughter or some folks who need some animals to enrich their lives.

-- Posted by quantumcat on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 8:51 PM

Happy thanksgiving everybody and Michael I am just Thankful I know you are no longer comfortable drowning a bag of kittens. (Even though your new picture does make you look like you would actually enjoy it) :))-

-- Posted by parkerbrothers on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 9:05 PM

I used to shoot bottle rockets at them one time, turpentine them, but that was when I was maybe or so.

-- Posted by michaelbell on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 9:14 PM

I was 10 or so , but I have a cat now that I would not trade for anything.

-- Posted by michaelbell on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 9:19 PM

As far as the pic goes, I do smile a lot, that was the newest one I had , so I used it.

I did not look as much like as a glutton as I am accused of.

I will change it later.

-- Posted by michaelbell on Wed, Nov 26, 2008, at 9:24 PM

Michael,

We all used to be a little cruel to dogs and cats also when we were growing up.

I remember tying ropes to our dogs and cats and getting them to pull us around in our little red wagon.

We also tied a rope around their testicles. We would pull on the dogs' when we we wanted a horn and pull on the cats' when we wanted a siren.

Looking back I remember all the old men thinking it was funny and the women thinking it was disgusting.

They should have bought us a motor scootter.

-- Posted by parkerbrothers on Thu, Nov 27, 2008, at 8:14 AM

I agree , I was guilty of giving alka selzters to frogs also.

-- Posted by michaelbell on Thu, Nov 27, 2008, at 9:05 AM

Happy Thanksgiving to all. Talk about puppies I have a new little Pug to go with my little Boston Terrier... They're sooooooooo cute. :-)

-- Posted by bellbuckletn on Thu, Nov 27, 2008, at 9:27 AM

this my dog,

http://www.mborotalks.com/uploads/a/admi...

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Thu, Nov 27, 2008, at 10:22 AM

Evil Monkey,

Looks like the horn is not hooked up?

-- Posted by parkerbrothers on Thu, Nov 27, 2008, at 12:14 PM

What breed is it? Looks a lot like Beagle-Chihuahua.

-- Posted by parkerbrothers on Thu, Nov 27, 2008, at 12:27 PM

Congratulations on your wonderful pets.

We tried to be fairly civilized with our critters but when we were running low on Christian charity,we'd remind the fools getting on our last nerve that we'd neutered all our animal buddies.

"And we LIKE them!"

Our foes might have been as low on sense as they were on loving-kindness but they all survived to reproduce-and raise kids nobler than any of us were way back when.

Today,they figure all animal abusers are abuse victims themselves and serial killers in the making.

In my day,they just figured we were full of the devil and had skulls so hollow you could hear an echo.

Either way,it's a good thing we got a little compassion and empathy grafted onto our spirits before it was too late.

(That's one more thing we can be thankful for.)

-- Posted by quantumcat on Thu, Nov 27, 2008, at 12:39 PM

Actually man,

It is a chihuahua/yorkie; people think he would be a yipp yipp dog, but honestly he isn't. One of the sweetest and smartest dogs I have ever owned. This is actually the smallest dogs I have owned, I actually prefer, labs, golden retrievers, and/ setters. But since I travel so much and visit homes to talk with people, this dog has really broken the ice and helped a ton of people.

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Thu, Nov 27, 2008, at 7:41 PM

Dianatn . . . the only thing I am conservative on is abortion, everything else I am fairly liberal on I think.

I still love puppies though!

-- Posted by jaxspike on Fri, Nov 28, 2008, at 12:53 AM

Actually if you were a true Bleeding Heart Liberal you would be all to willing for opening the borders all the way and you would be tickled pink that the Somalis had arrived in Shelbyville. You would also like to see more welfare programs. I am not aguring with you, though about whether you are liberal or conservative..I am just saying..

And I love puppies also I just am not always pleased with the things they do inside my house :>)

-- Posted by Dianatn on Fri, Nov 28, 2008, at 8:36 AM

Someday,I'm going to get a house and furnishings that are scratch- and- gnaw-proof and can be pressure-washed inside and out.

Then,when I've got it all safeguarded against my human loved ones,I'll work on protecting my home from the pets.

I hope that we all had a superb Thanksgiving and acquire so many blessings that it's easier to show the Lord our appreciation by deeds rather than go hoarse listing all the good stuff in our prayers.

-- Posted by quantumcat on Fri, Nov 28, 2008, at 1:05 PM


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