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Fulfilled 2 The Feast of Unleavened BreadPosted Wednesday, December 10, 2008, at 2:31 PM
Matzah
7. On the first day you shall have a holy convocation; you shall do no customary work on it. 8 But you shall offer an offering made by fire to the Lord for seven days. The seventh day shall be a holy convocation; you shall do no customary work on it.' " [Lev 1- 44 covers the feast]. The unleavened "Bread of Heaven" is the sinless and accepted sacrifice.
After the Passover lambs were slain at twilight the Feast of Unleavened Bread began at sunset. All leaven, a type of sin, was removed from the houses and the unleavened bread was eaten throughout the seven days of the feast. As the 15th day of Nisan began at sunset after Passover Jesus was buried. He was the sinless unleavened 'Bread of Heaven' offered as the perfect sacrifice. Thus He fulfilled the Feast of Unleavened Bread. The scripture in which the Feast of Unleavened Bread is introduced is in Leviticus 23. "And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the Feast of Unleavened Bread to the Lord; seven days you must eat unleavened bread." -Lev.23:6 The scripture stipulates the duration of the feast. It is to last seven days. The first day, which is on the 15th of Nisan and the day following Passover Eve is day #1 of the feast. This first day is a sabbath, a sacred assembly, a holy convocation or a high holy day. The seventh day is also a sabbath. Here below is a calendar of the Passover, Feast of Unleavened Bread and the Feast of First Fruits which follows the sabbath. Fifty days later comes the Feast of Pentecost. THE SYMBOL OF LEAVEN AS WICKEDNESS. Leaven in the scriptures symbolizes sin. From the Christian perspective, the picture is quite clear. Jesus was the unleavened sinless Bread of Heaven. His life was one of sinless perfection. And His body was offered up to YHVH/God. He was the acceptable and perfect sacrifice for sin. The Feast of Unleavened Bread is also a calling to God's consecrated people. They are exhorted to journey on with their Saviour in a walk of holiness. In Christ we partake of the unleavened Bread. Through Him we enter into a new state of being. We come into submission to YHVH/God in unpretentious sincerity and truth. Here are the words of the Apostle Paul on the matter. 1 Corinthians 5 7. Therefore purge out the old leaven, that you may be a new lump, since you truly are unleavened. For indeed Christ, our Passover, was sacrificed for us. 8. Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, nor with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. When the Israelites left Egypt they left in haste. The bread they took with them was unleavened bread, baked in haste for a people who were on the move and preparing their victuals to travel. The Feast of Unleavened Bread commemorates the time when the Israelites left Egypt. Their next way point was the crossing at the Red Sea. They bread they took with them was not puffed up. It was baked without yeast. There simply was not time enough to allow the bread to rise. THE BREAD FROM HEAVEN The Bread from Heaven was seen in the earlier history of Israel. And the heavenly food of provision was spoken of by the prophets. The Bread of Heaven is seen repeatedly in the poetry of the Old Covenant. Nehemiah 9:15 NKJV You gave them bread from heaven for their hunger, And brought them water out of the rock for their thirst, And told them to go in to possess the land Which You had sworn to give them. Psalm 78:24 Had rained down manna on them to eat, And given them of the bread of heaven. Psalm 105:40 The people asked, and He brought quail, And satisfied them with the bread of heaven. THE NEW COVENANT FULFILMENT OF THE FEAST OF UNLEAVENED BREAD The New Covenant fulfillment of the Feast of Unleavened Bread was seen in the Passover of Christ's passion. Jesus was buried in the earth just in time for the Feast of Unleavened Bread. Here below is a calendar of that epic year of Christ's passion. It lays out the seven days of the Feast of Unleavened Bread. It also shows the back to back Sabbath's that precede the Feast of First Fruits. First Fruits is day #1 of the fifty days leading up to the Feast of Pentecost.
The typology of Christ as the Bread of Heaven is in the Holy Scriptures. It is taught in the New Testament and in the very words of Jesus Himself. Jesus Himself said that He was the "Bread sent from Heaven". John 6:33 NKJV "For the bread of God is He who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world." John 6:50 "This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that one may eat of it and not die." John 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread that I shall give is My flesh, which I shall give for the life of the world." The Pharisees, the religious establishment of the time, knew very well what Jesus was talking about. They were well versed in the typology of the Messiah as the Bread of Heaven. They knew when He referred to Himself as the Bread of Heaven He was claiming to be the promised Messiah, the Holy One of Israel. That is why they took up stones to stone Him. Jesus was the final and perfect sacrifice for sin. His body, broken and humbled on the cross, was offered for our redemption. He was buried just as the eve of the Feast of Unleavened Bread approached. He was in the grave for the 15th of Nisan, according to the scriptures. And thus Jesus Christ/Yeshua Hamashiach fulfilled the Feast of Unleavened Bread. Remember to keep the verse in mind that a day unto the Lord is a thousand years , and a thousand years is but a day. Jesus accomplished the passover feast and the feast of unleavened bread, the next feast is the feast of first fruits. Jesus says that no man will know the day or the hour, but we can tell by the seasons. Those seasons are according to the way the feasts were set up, remember God is not the author of confusion. I dare not say a time , but I will say a season, and that season is mighty close. There are four feasts yet to be fulfilled, might the rapture be in one of those? we shall see. Notice the picture of the Matza, with the stripes and bruises. 1Peter 2:24 states by whose stripes we were healed. Is 53:5 states"But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities, the chastisement of our peace was upon him;and with his stripes we are healed. The unleavened bread or Matza as it is called is a perfect picture of Jesus Christ for those that have a ear, let him hear. I don't dare pick a day and time , for his return for Jesus says no one knows but the Father. He did tell us we could judge by the seasons, seasons of what you ask? His festivals and feast are the time frame for his return, and I believe the rapture fits into his festivals. There are 7 feasts, the first four were accomplished, the next two I will cover later. The last three are yet to be fulfilled, but they soon will be. All the feasts are covered in Lev. chapter 23. Some will see the meanings, and some won't, I for one do. I thoroughly believe if there is a pre-trib rapture it is to take place next. For if the 7 trumps go along with the 7 feasts, then we are in the time of the 5th trump, Satan [Antichrist] comes at the sixth, then Messiah at the 7th. If we are to be the "bride"of Christ do you think he would let his bride go through the tribulation? I think not! If anybody ever gets a chance to read about or see an ancient Jewish wedding ceremony, it speaks for itself. It is symbolic of the rapture. These references are from a study I am doing on the 7 feasts of Israel. Comments Showing comments in chronological order [Show most recent comments first] |
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Bush talks of belief in God, evolution
WASHINGTON (AP) -- President George W. Bush said his belief that God created the world is not incompatible with scientific proof of evolution.
In an interview with ABC's "Nightline" on Monday, the president also said he probably is not a literalist when reading the Bible although an individual can learn a great deal from it, including the New Testament teaching that God sent his only son.
Asked about creation and evolution, Bush said: "I think you can have both. I think evolution can -- you're getting me way out of my lane here. I'm just a simple president. But it's, I think that God created the earth, created the world; I think the creation of the world is so mysterious it requires something as large as an almighty and I don't think it's incompatible with the scientific proof that there is evolution."
He added, "I happen to believe that evolution doesn't fully explain the mystery of life."
Interviewer Cynthia McFadden asked Bush if the Bible was literally true.
"You know. Probably not. … No, I'm not a literalist, but I think you can learn a lot from it, but I do think that the New Testament for example is … has got … You know, the important lesson is 'God sent a son,'" Bush said.
"It is hard for me to justify or prove the mystery of the Almighty in my life," he said. "All I can just tell you is that I got back into religion and I quit drinking shortly thereafter and I asked for help. … I was a one-step program guy."
The president also said that he prays to the same God as those with different religious beliefs.
"I do believe there is an almighty that is broad and big enough and loving enough that can encompass a lot of people," Bush said.
When asked whether he thought he would have become president had it not been for his faith, Bush said: "I don't know; it's hard to tell. I do know that I would have been -- I'm pretty confident I would have been a pretty selfish person."
Bush said he is often asked whether he thinks he was chosen by God to be president.
"I just, I can't go there," he said. "I'm not that confident in knowing, you know, the Almighty, to be able to say, Yeah, God wanted me of all the other people."
He also said the decision to go to war in Iraq was not connected to his religious believes.
"I did it based upon the need to protect the American people from harm," Bush said.
"You can't look at the decision to go into Iraq apart from, you know, what happened on Sept. 11. It was not a religious decision," he said. "I don't view this as a war of religion. I view this as a war of good, decent people of all faiths against people who murder innocent people to achieve a political objective."
He said he felt like God was with him as he made big decisions, but that the decisions were his.
"George W. Bush has to make these decisions."
Just thought since he was one of your Heroes... You would like to nice snippet of how he REALLY feels...
Evil Monkey,
What has your comments got to do with "The Feast of Unleavened Bread"?
The reason I like George Bush is because he did not cower in the face of tragedy, he took a monster out and the leader of Iraq better be take seriously.
Most Muslims hate America for its support of Israel.
Bush's beliefs is his own to worry about.
We can't all know the truth, and that truth is that Jesus is the only way and he is coming back and soon.
"Evil Monkey,
What has your comments got to do with "The Feast of Unleavened Bread"?
-- Posted by parkerbrothers on Thu, Dec 11, 2008, at 12:26 PM"
parkerbrothers,
Same as your comments on stargate and your audacity to call yourself a Christian. Doesn't matter what my comments are slanted towards just as your comments are never on the same subject in any of the other blogs. Oh I guess those generalizations do not apply to you?
Evil Monkey,
It does not suprise me that you do not recognize a Christian. If you do not believe in God, Hell or the Bible you are limited on distinction of most anything that matters. I really wish you could come to faith and believe in the word. They gave all they had to bring it to us.
Same as your comments on stargate
Posted by Evil Monkey on Thu, Dec 11, 2008, at 1:17 PM
Evil Monkey,
The comments on Stargate belong to you. I never knew there was a Stargate until you said it was more believable than the Bible.
Evil Monkey might just be right about Stargate. It probably takes more faith to believe the Bible than to believe in Stargate. In an age when science seems to reign supreme in most areas of life, this sort of fable might be easier to swallow than a God who would send his only son to die for the redemption of a sorry lot like us. That's why faith is a lot more important than reason. We only see our existence from one side of the portal and unlike the Stargate travelers we will never see the other side until we are finished with this one. We just have to take God's word on faith - his word in Spirit, his word incarnate, and his work in print.
Why would Bush be any different than most of the people in the country and the world today?
John 6:66 talks of the great apostasy.
May God have mercy on this nation.
It was one of the only ones to stand for God.
With Obama coming in, who knows what is next?
I do THE GREAT TRIBULATION!
Are you ready? I am!
devan,
I have repeatedly told everyone here why the Bible is flawed. I never said God didn't exist nor that Jesus didn't die and rose. I just don't believe the Bible is the word of God. Anyone that worships a book more than anything else is basing their faith in the book, not God.
God gave us the ability to tell what is right and wrong by looking into our hearts and using our conscience. That is what drives us to do good and not to do evil deeds like beating people up for no reason. Or preaching hate towards people that didn't do anything wrong but minding their own business.
Parkerbrothers can only bring up that one thing and it makes so many people laugh at his hypocrisy due to his own natural crappy way of dealing with people. It's hilarious. What I find even more appealing is the fear he has towards me.
I never said God didn't exist
Posted by Evil Monkey on Thu, Dec 11, 2008, at 10:03 PM
I don't believe in God, Hell or any of the other crap so none of it matters.
-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Sun, Sep 16, 2007, at 1:42 PM
And? your point? Did you even post what was in front of that too? Do you remember ANY of the other things that were talked about too? I love egging you on because if you remember correctly; The gist of the entire conversation was related how Michael, you and jesse were turning people away from seeking God. Therefore, that is why I said that.
This is how you like to twist things around to suit what you want others to perceive. Just like how you and Michael pick out 1 verse to mean something totally different than what the author meant. You are a liar, and a charlatan just like Satan is. How can anyone believe anything that comes out of your mouth when all you do is lie?
Michael lied about his being a licensed pastor, then when I called him on it; you tried some idiotic crap about how I fell for some trap? People saw through him, just like they see through you. You're pitiful.
What makes a licensed pastor? a piece of paper.
No, it takes a desire from down deep that you will never know.
A love of God and the desire to share that love, but not at the expense of forgetting what is soon to come.
Caring about the world that is crumbling around us , not just physically, but morally and spiritually.
The desire to just be different, that is what gives me my license.
When our own president denies the bible I dread what is next.
And? your point?
Posted by Evil Monkey on Thu, Dec 11, 2008, at 11:15 PM
That you have claimed you do not believe in God or the Bible. Which by the way is your choice that you are entitled to. I wish you choose a different choice but as I said I accept it is your choice.
What I find even more appealing is the fear he has towards me.
-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Thu, Dec 11, 2008, at 10:03 PM
Evil Monkey,
I have no fear of you. You have never given me reason to fear you. Nothing you have said could be taken as a threat or insinuation you wanted to physically cause harm to me or anyone. Even your voice I heard when you called me was soft spoken and revealed no reason to fear you.
The only fear you possibly create that I sense in myself is the fear someone else might believe your claim that the Bible is fiction and there is no God.
michaelbell,
I agree with you explaination to evil monkey of what makes a pastor. As you tried to tell him, it comes from inside. The following verses remind me a lot of what you are trying to get him to be able to understand.
Romans 2 28-29
28For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
Michael, this is confusing...
"The desire to just be different, that is what gives me my license."
So does going Goth, so basically you just want attention...
parkerbros,
LOL come on, I have already explained; you only pick a choose one sentence for you to slant something into a totally different direction. Just like Michael does with Bible verses.
You fear that I am right, thats all. I know you don't fear me physically because you have your brother, a car and a pipe-like object.
And again, you post Romans 2 28-29, you forgot some important verses too. So if what you quoted and what I just added is true, then as Ricky Ricardo would say, "Lucy, You got alo expaining to do..." because as it shows in this chapter, you guys are pretty hypocritical.
2:1 Therefore you have no excuse, O man, every one of you who judges. For in passing judgment on another you condemn yourself, because you, the judge, practice the very same things.
2 We know that the judgment of God rightly falls on those who practice such things.
3 Do you suppose, O man--you who judge those who practice such things and yet do them yourself--that you will escape the judgment of God?
4 Or do you presume on the riches of his kindness and forbearance and patience, not knowing that God's kindness is meant to lead you to repentance?
5 But because of your hard and impenitent heart you are storing up wrath for yourself on the day of wrath when God's righteous judgment will be revealed.
6 He will render to each one according to his works:
7 to those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give eternal life;
8 but for those who are self-seeking [1] and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, there will be wrath and fury.
9 There will be tribulation and distress for every human being who does evil, the Jew first and also the Greek,
10 but glory and honor and peace for everyone who does good, the Jew first and also the Greek.
11 For God shows no partiality.
12 For all who have sinned without the law will also perish without the law, and all who have sinned under the law will be judged by the law.
13 For it is not the hearers of the law who are righteous before God, but the doers of the law who will be justified.
14 For when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law.
15 They show that the work of the law is written on their hearts, while their conscience also bears witness, and their conflicting thoughts accuse or even excuse them
16 on that day when, according to my gospel, God judges the secrets of men by Christ Jesus.
17 But if you call yourself a Jew and rely on the law and boast in God
18 and know his will and approve what is excellent, because you are instructed from the law;
19 and if you are sure that you yourself are a guide to the blind, a light to those who are in darkness,
20 an instructor of the foolish, a teacher of children, having in the law the embodiment of knowledge and truth--
21 you then who teach others, do you not teach yourself? While you preach against stealing, do you steal?
22 You who say that one must not commit adultery, do you commit adultery? You who abhor idols, do you rob temples?
23 You who boast in the law dishonor God by breaking the law.
24 For, as it is written, "The name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you."
25 For circumcision indeed is of value if you obey the law, but if you break the law, your circumcision becomes uncircumcision.
26 So, if a man who is uncircumcised keeps the precepts of the law, will not his uncircumcision be regarded [2] as circumcision?
27 Then he who is physically uncircumcised but keeps the law will condemn you who have the written code [3] and circumcision but break the law.
28 For no one is a Jew who is merely one outwardly, nor is circumcision outward and physical.
29 But a Jew is one inwardly, and circumcision is a matter of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter. His praise is not from man but from God.
Evil Monkey,
I guess evidently you are saying you have problems understanding Romans 2 if you think there is any explaining that needs to be done. Read it carefully. It is good.
Every minute you can spend reading it is a well spent minute.
Michael,
Sorry your topic can not get on track. Evil monkey has cut loose again. As he likes to say..."he is in the zone" or.... "I am evil monkey!"
That is what evolution will do to you I suppose
Michael,
I finally got a chance to sit, read and absorb what you wrote about. The typology is very stunning. I have read on the ancient Jewish wedding ceremony and it does indeed symbolize the rapture. You do see the positioning of the 5th trumpet don't you?
That is what evolution will do to you I suppose
-- Posted by michaelbell on Fri, Dec 12, 2008, at 4:31 PM
I don't know if it evolution or the lithium level in the bananas Chiquita is growing. Either way he is wide open this week.
All three of you(evil,parker,wanna be preacher) should be sent to bed with out any supper.
Evil monkey,
Stick your banana in the Chef's mouth. He needs to quit talking while he is cooking for us. :)-
No, the yellow one by all means, the yellow one.
Both of you (evil,chef) are disgusting. And in the kitchen of all places.
Parkerbros, pray tell what I have done to earn your disdain?
parkerbrothers,
Apparently, you do have a problem understanding it because both you and Michael are the ones judging others consistantly and therefore are held at higher standards. I guess your recent indictment was a fluke?
5 But because of your hard and impenitent heart you are storing up wrath for yourself on the day of wrath when God's righteous judgment will be revealed.
6 He will render to each one according to his works:
7 to those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give eternal life;
8 but for those who are self-seeking [1] and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, there will be wrath and fury.
9 There will be tribulation and distress for every human being who does evil, the Jew first and also the Greek,
10 but glory and honor and peace for everyone who does good, the Jew first and also the Greek.
READ and DO, these are WORKS NOT WORDS! I know what they say and what they mean, I am not illiterate or ignorant. Preaching of hate all of the time will NOT get you into the kingdom of God.
Evil Monkey,
You should know the meaning of "judging" and see the simple error most make using the word as they and you likewise do.
It is quite simple to grasp.
Stating and proclaiming that __________ is a sin is not judging.
Telling John Doe he is a ___________ is judging.
Michael's discerning of sin and its consequences in biblical terms is not judging in biblical terms.
You should be able to see this if you think about it.
Preaching of hate all of the time will NOT get you into the kingdom of God.
-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Fri, Dec 12, 2008, at 8:16 PM
Evil Monkey,
Preaching or not preaching of anything will not get you into the kindom of God. Only the Faith of His appointed Atonement will justify you before God and bring you into His Kingdom.
Again you seem to be having difficulting understanding the meaning of some words.
If you "hate" your fellow man you would not advise and warn him of any impending danger or risk we face.
If you "love" your fellow man you would advise him of any impending danger we face.
In other words if you came upon a place in a curvy mountainous road that had been washed out at a cliff edge and had turned around and headed the other way would you flash your lights and do your best to stop another fellow man that was speeding down the road to an impending life threatening danger?
I believe if you did not warn him you "hated" your fellow man.
I believe if you warned him you "loved" your fellow man.
Perhaps the real issue is if you believe their is an inpending danger down the road?
I guess your recent indictment was a fluke?
Posted by Evil Monkey on Fri, Dec 12, 2008, at 8:16 PM
Evil Monkey,
I guess you have problems also understanding the system and how it properly works in stages. I did also until very recently.
It is actually difficult to not to get an indictment against someone or something. As I heard an attorney recently say..."I could get a good ham sandwich indicted by the grand jury, let alone a bad one".
All the procedures thus far have only one side presented. That is just the way the system works. It is hard to understand until you actually have to go through it. But, when you you see the whole overall process you can then see why it is the greatest system of justice in the world. You just have to be patient and let it work the way it was designed to work.
You also have to understand that for $29.00,a name, and an address, anyone could have evil monkey go through all the same steps I have been given the "priviledge" to experience thus far including the indictment step of the process and learn about the system first hand.
Luckily, there are several more steps in the process of justice and "Paul Harvey eventually tells the rest of the story". It's just not the proper time for Paul to speak.
in the garden,
Troll? haha do you have any idea what pbros does ALL DAY LONG on the t-g.com? He is the troll, Not I. He lies, manipulates the truth just like Lucifer did to Jesus. And if you knew this situation for the past year with Michael and pbros you would understand that crap he pulls. It is downright disgusting.
pbros,
I know full well how to read and understand and I sure know EXACTLY what Michael insinuates in his hate-filled blogs as does quite a few others.
Your right I don't know first-hand what the process is on the other side of the law because I do not place myself in those circumstances. I choose my friend carefully and I have an even temper and think things through carefully before I react. I guess that is MY PROBLEM because you seem to keep repeating it.
I am not insinuating anything, the bible[word of GOD!] SAYS THAT HOMOSEXUALITY IS WEONG!
God don't insinuate either.
Without the bible through the ages we would not know who or what God is.
As far as Parker goes, yeah he is a friend of mine, and I hope to be doing business with him.
If he is found guilty, he will pay accordingly and move on.
Until you know the whole story, don' assume anything.
suppose to be Wrong and don't.
I am on some medicine and getting sleepy.
Strange, I didn't even mention homosexuality... and again No, You misinterrupt the Bible.
That has been the wedge that divides on these blogs from day one.
The same as the one that will divide the country.
I just know what the bible states, I have checked the oldest text I can find, and talked to scholrs of the bible.
I may misinterrupt some things , but not that.
Actually you have misinterrupted it because you keep saying the incorrect translations repeatedly.
according to who? you.
Throughout history until just recently the view on homosexuality has always been the same.
The religion of secularism and political correctness have changed it, not the Word of God.
I know full well how to read and understand and I sure know EXACTLY what Michael insinuates in his hate-filled blogs as does quite a few others.
Posted by Evil Monkey on Sat, Dec 13, 2008, at 8:20 PM
Evil Monkey,
As you have been told, Michael only warns of impending danger that we all face. If you can not see nor feel the impending danger that he sees, then spend your time trying to help your fellow man in a way you can see or feel.
Just help somebody instead of interfering with someone else that is trying. The time you spend trying to tear down the Bible could be spent promoting something that might help someone.
Why not start your own blog on the adventures of Stargate if that is what you think will help people?
Your right I don't know first-hand what the process is on the other side of the law because I do not place myself in those circumstances.
Posted by Evil Monkey on Sat, Dec 13, 2008, at 8:20 PM
Evil Monkey,
You seemed to miss the point. It does not matter where you place yourself. That's irrelevant up to this point.
Again, all someone has to have in order to place evil monkey in the same predicament is $29.00, your name, and your address.
Maybe as everything unfolds in the next few months you will see the light. Just be patient and not let curiousity get the best of you.
See the light. Amazing how that can mean so many things. The light of the Word. The light of rightousness. The light of a cell. My my which will it be.
michael,
I didn't know homosexuality runs in your family, your cousin seems happy though ...
The oldest text eh? You can read Greek or merely a translation of Greek? What about Latin? Really, the Bible has been so torn apart and mistranslated, 85% of the Book has been removed or lost and you can actually sit there and say it is the ENTIRE Word of God?
pbros,
I am curious why it takes you 2-4 comments to reply back to me? I picture you pacing back and forth thinking about what to say next, like grasping for straws. Michael isn't warning no-one about impending danger, I guess them homosexuals are gonna come a get you while your eating at Cracker Barrel and take over the world!
Which cousin might that be?
It is enough for me.
Besides, at least I strive to learn the truth as much as I can.
I won't never know the entire truth , no one will, but I learn as much as I can.
My views towards the issues we discuss were not formed from from the bible, for a period of 15 years in my life I never even looked at a bible.
I never attended church, or even cared if I lived or died.
I would slam the doors in people's faces who came to my door and said they were from so and so church.
I did not believe in anything at that time, but I was trying to rush my trip to hell[ if there was one] as fast as I could.
MY thoughts towards those views were the same then as they are now.
It just isn't natural.
If I get mocked for believing the bible, so be it.
If I get executed for it, great.
If I am at judgment and don't pass, fine, for one day in his court is better than a thousand elsewhere.
The bible is what I have and it is what I live by.
That will never change!
michaelbell,
A great testimony of your faith. Although we can only see dimly now what a great day it will be when we can Him see face to face. Count yourself blessed for the faith you have been given and pray it may given to the ones without.
Keep spreading the seed and realize that not all fall by the wayside and perish. Some will take root and bring forth even more seed to be sown.
pbros,
I am curious why it takes you 2-4 comments to reply back to me? I picture you pacing back and forth thinking about what to say next, like grasping for straws.
Posted by Evil Monkey on Mon, Dec 15, 2008, at 1:05 AM
Evil Monkey,
That is what you get when you assume.
Never assume anything about something you know so little about.
Sorry it takes so long to get back to you. I am in the process of restoring an old classical boat on the weekends and have no internet down at the lake. I only stop in the office on occasion before I go or after I come back and besides, your comments do not require a lot of thought to respond to and are definitely not something to pace a floor for.
Again, you always seem to miss the point. Michael is not trying to warn someone of the danger that homosexuals create for him. He is trying to warn fellow man of the dangers of the consequences of unrepentant sin.
I truly believe the reason you miss the point is because you do not see the point biblically. After reading your disparging comments on how you feel about the Bible I am sure that is where the problem lies for you.
As I have told you many times before, I can not help you until you help yourself. I can not make you believe and have faith. I would give you half of mine if it were possible but it can not happen that way.
I remember being in the same boat as you are. Trying to think of every reason I could, not to believe in the Bible. I just hope some day you can come to trust in it and let it guide you through life. There is a story of a peace that surpasses all understanding in it available for the asking. I can assure you that you will never regret finding it.
Michael,
Not going to mention his name, but your other cousin at MTSU told me. So if you are a new Christian and you are speaking as an authority with only about a years' worth of study. Why are you telling me I am wrong? I have taken over 16 years of theology, greek studies, bibical history and I do not agree with 75% of what you state. Your translations are incorrect, and you have more faith in a book then you do in God. That worries me.
I really do not understand your ability to state how you want something so badly that it hurts others peoples faith in their God? That in itself is wrong, you are on a slippery path and you have peoples' eternal lives at risk. You will be held accountable.
pbros,
Because he Bible is NOT totally correct, what do you not understand? If you have to have faith in a mere book then it is idolatry; why can't you just believe in God and know what is in your heart? God gave us a conscience for a reason, he gave us a choice on how to use it.
He didn't give us the Bible and say Here... use this to make your decisions on. Really, I know absolutely the difference between right and wrong without reading the Bible. Even someone that has never read the Bible knows the difference between right and wrong.
Evil Monkey,
I really wonder how much anyone would know without being told in some form.
My faith is not in the book. It is in Christ, whom the book reveals.
Because he Bible is NOT totally correct, what do you not understand?
Posted by Evil Monkey on Mon, Dec 15, 2008, at 10:52 AM
Your reason for wanting to bring others into disbelief with you?
He didn't give us the Bible and say Here... use this to make your decisions on.
Posted by Evil Monkey on Mon, Dec 15, 2008, at 10:52 AM
Evil Monkey,
Even Jesus himself used the Old Testament. Furthermore you have to be able to see how even our law was heavily structured around the commandments written in the Bible.
I seriously doubt anyone would know much without having to be taught. I would think even the abilty to be able to spell right and wrong would be difficult without someone teaching us.
First off I know of no cousin at MTSU.
Second off I am not a new Christian by a long shot.
That was was I was taught from birth till age 18 rebelled for a while and came back.
My faith is not in the book, but the one it is about.
Funny how you discredit the book, but so many things it says have come true, are happening right now and will happen like the bible says.
You say, my God , their God.
There is only one GOD, the GOD of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
The God of Israel, the Father of Jesus Christ, that is the only one, none other.
That is what is wrong with Christian's these days, they want to accept everyone else's God as a God to.
Remember what Elijah said about the other peoples God, if not I will tell you, he asked was their God taking a dump.
Then challenged them, them had them all killed.
The bible says there is only one way, that way is Jesus, and that is that is that.
If that offends then so be it.
One God the Father one Son!
Are you sure you have the right God?
I have taken over 16 years of theology, greek studies, bibical history....
Posted by Evil Monkey on Mon, Dec 15, 2008, at 10:52 AM
I knew there had to be a good reason not to continue in school.
The bible says there is only one way, that way is Jesus, and that is that is that.
Posted by michaelbell on Mon, Dec 15, 2008, at 4:51 PM
And that is that. Well said even though it was probably not well received by the evil one.
Because he Bible is NOT totally correct, what do you not understand? If you have to have faith in a mere book then it is idolatry; why can't you just believe in God and know what is in your heart? God gave us a conscience for a reason, he gave us a choice on how to use it.
-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Mon, Dec 15, 2008, at 10:52 AM
Jeremiah 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?
Unless your heart and conscience are measured against something true and eternal, like God's word, how do you know you are right? I think that a lot of people who commit horrific crimes and other evil acts are following their "heart" and "conscience" but its a corrupted form of what you describe.
devan,
You see, that is different, those people lie to themselves and others to justify their evilness. They even use the Bible. Don't you remember most of them hear voices... They're insane.
Jeremiah 17:9 is referring to someone else's heart, You do not know what they are thinking. It is not referring to your own since you know what you feel. If it is pure and noble, there isn't a problem. If it is full of lust or hatred, there is a problem.
And Devan, The Bible cannot be correct if it is not complete. There is no way for a car to be driven down the road correctly missing the steering wheel.. or the brake pedals. It just doesn't make sense to go half-blind saying it is the Word of God when it clearly can't be if it isn't complete. And how can it be the Word of God when it clearly stated it wasn't in John 1?
Unless your heart and conscience are measured against something true and eternal, like God's word, how do you know you are right?
-- Posted by devan
devan, I totally agree. We are all born with a conscience, but that conscience is nurtured by what we learn and what we see as examples in our lives. If we are never taught that something is wrong, we never realize it... and yet, we have a conscience. It is only once our eyes are open to Truth, that we realize that something is wrong. Then we feel conviction for things that we once never felt conviction for!
As we grow in wisdom and knowledge of God's word, our own realization of what it means to live a "Christ-like" life changes. Things we once never gave a second thought to are now "unacceptable" because we care about the way others perceive our words - our actions - even our demeanor. We begin to "limit our freedoms". Others call us "fanatics" but I would rather believe it's because we have partaken of 'solid food' and no longer only 'desire milk'. Just as Paul spoke about the apostles of Christ in 1 Cor 4... "So then, men ought to regard us as servants of Christ and as those entrusted with the secret things of God. Now it is required that those who have been given a trust must prove faithful." More knowledge = more accountability!
ok, ok... I've drifted :0)
simple example... we have been studying the Ten Commandments in Sunday School. Commandment #3 "do not take the Lord's name in vain"...most people think of this as cursing or swearing.... but it also means not to misrepresent the name of God. (For those professing to be Christians, that also means not misrepresenting God in our actions. That's another topic...)It also means not taking the Lord's name lightly.... we talked about how most of us are forever saying Oh, my God.... to any and everything. One lady was convicted of that and this past week said that she had been 'catching' herself and being more mindful of how she used God's name. Her eyes were open and now she realizes when she does that... just as an unbeliever does not realize their "lostness" until their eyes are open!
Amazing Grace
How sweet the sound
That saved a wretch like me
I once was lost
But now am found
Was blind but now I see....
And Devan, The Bible cannot be correct if it is not complete.
Posted by Evil Monkey on Mon, Dec 15, 2008, at 11:06 PM
Evil Monkey,
The Bible is complete enough for you to know better than what you are doing to it.
Really, I know absolutely the difference between right and wrong without reading the Bible. Even someone that has never read the Bible knows the difference between right and wrong.
-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Mon, Dec 15, 2008, at 10:52 AM
Evil Monkey,
The day you were born you did not know the difference between right and wrong. Your mind and conscience have all been formed by what you were taught from day one.
You can know the difference between right and wrong in man's law without reading the Bible. But even knowledge of man's law had to be aquired.
I think the best rebuttal to your thought might have been given by Paul in his letter to the Romans.
Romans 7:7
7What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
Why would you pick one of the most debated verses in the Bible?
This is written by Paul talking about the differences in real law and what Jesus said to him. It was a personal struggle he was writing about for himself. It has NOTHING to do with what he felt. He was listening to his conscience, taking time to really know what his heart was saying.
Evil Monkey, may I ask a question...
Can I assume then that you are not a believer? If so, what do you believe your destiny holds for you?
bkpow,
You assume wrong. Doesn't matter what I believe, my destiny is mine. As is, yours. So, I guess you let one book written by man decide that? Not sure about you, but I let God point me in the right direction, not an incomplete book written by man.
And Devan, The Bible cannot be correct if it is not complete.
Posted by Evil Monkey on Mon, Dec 15, 2008, at 11:06 PM
Actually, according to logic, it could be correct even if it was not complete. If the original recipe makes a cake with icing and the icing part is missing you can still make a great cake.
Evil Monkey, I honestly am curious as to what you believe. How can you believe in God and yet not believe in His Word? Do you merely believe in creation and the power of a supreme creator? How did you come to find out about God? Having been raised in the "Bible belt", I feel I've always "known" about God, but it was only a head knowledge. It wasn't until my eyes were open to the saving knowledge of Christ that I received the Holy Spirit and the presence of Christ in me. Then my "head" knowledge became a "heart" knowledge. A true one on one relationship. Just as God desired in the beginning of Creation when He used to walk in the Garden with Adam and Eve before sin entered the world. I believe we are created with an emptiness that only God can fill. However, He will never force Himself on anyone. He desires a relationship with us, but only at our own bidding. He stands ready and willing but yet He cannot look on sin. Therefore the need for the blood of Christ to block my sin ( and yours, and everyone elses ) so that we are able to commune with Him.
As far as the "authenticity" of the Bible, I'm sure you can study the research that shows the genuineness of the age/history of it. Because even though it is the spiritual living breathing word of God - it is also an actual historical account of His work in the world since time began. Even HE told the Israelites to place stones where they crossed the Red Sea so that generations after them would know what the Lord had done!
His Word is Jesus. His Word cannot be a Book and a Person.
bkpow,
The bible was written by men, books were removed by men, things were added by men. Are you telling me that God has protected this one book for 2000 years and made sure NOTHING was changed?
So what you are basically telling me, you only have faith in God because of a Book? And as I have said repeatedly for over a year, The Bible is not complete. If you had read the entire Bible you would have known that Adam and Eve were NOT the first humans on earth. It was Adam and Lilith.... Wonder why that was removed? Maybe because it had to do with equality of women?
Books were removed due to political reasons, Not because they were deemed "uninspired". Look at how man is and you cannot attest to this.
And really I don't need another sermon, I know why Christ died, really, it is old news. Anyone can preach that over and over. Show me God's REAL grace, you know where Peter looks down from Paradise and sees the suffering of his loved ones and weeps for them. That is real grace... OH But that was taken out of the Bible too. Know why? There is No Fear/ No Control over the Masses... You know another political reason to remove that book.
The Bible as you know it, is incomplete.
Devan,
Want to use logic? Great! Lets use the cake metaphor? But logically speaking, when handed a cracked egg and being told that is cake is insane. 85% of the Bible has been removed and/or missing. That is logic.
Without the bible we would have no record of the birth, death and the resurrection of Jesus Christ.
Without the bible we would not know of salvation.
Without the bible we would not know about the events that are happening now and the worst ones yet to come.
Throughout history people have suffered and died to protect the bible.
A group of people left their homeland to worship the God of Abraham the way they seen fit.
Contrary to what anyone says I will always say and believe without a shadow of a doubt that this great nation called AMERICA WAS FOUNDED ON IT!
She may not follow it now, but as in Israel there is always a group who cling to the Word of God, I am one of those in that group, and will be until God calls me home.
Michael,
The bible is NOT the word of God, Don't know why you keep saying that. It is blaspheme.
America was not founded on Christianity. The founding fathers have stated so many times. Are you really this ignorant?
As I have said OVER and OVER the Bible is incomplete therefore you are not getting the complete story. If you believe half of a book, then it is just half the truth. As Paul Harvey would say, OH you already know..... Your pbros likes that quote:)
Evil Monkey, I'm sorry if you feel like I tried to "preach another sermon". Every person is free to choose whom or what they believe. That was my question to you. As far as your comment to me: I don't believe God only because of a "book" as you say. I believe in God because He has manifested Himself, His grace, His love, His comfort, and His discipline to me in many many ways. He brought comfort when I lost my dad, mother-in-law, and father-in-law and almost my 13 year old son in a season of tragedy. He brought grace when I suffered wrong and have caused suffering to others. He brought love when I married the man who would treat me with diginity, respect, and unselfishness. He brought discipline when I was living outside His will. I have many "Stones" to pass onto the next generation. I do not pray for clarity in times of uncertainty, I pray for stronger faith. What do you have faith in?
Devan,
Want to use logic? Great! Lets use the cake metaphor? But logically speaking, when handed a cracked egg and being told that is cake is insane. 85% of the Bible has been removed and/or missing. That is logic.
-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Tue, Dec 16, 2008, at 11:27 PM
No, what I believe is that this 85% you keep talking about is icing. What I have in the Bible is sufficient for me.
Are you telling me that God has protected this one book for 2000 years and made sure NOTHING was changed?
Yes, at least nothing essential for his purposes.
What I have in the Bible is sufficient for me.
Posted by devan on Wed, Dec 17, 2008, at 12:25 PM
I think I will second that notion.
"What I have in the Bible is sufficient for me.
Posted by devan on Wed, Dec 17, 2008, at 12:25 PM
I think I will second that notion.
-- Posted by parkerbrothers on Wed, Dec 17, 2008, at 1:00 PM "
Then you both place your Faith in Man, not God.
bkpow,
Sorry but it seems you have the right idea, Faith in God and not a book is smart as it allows you to make the correct decisions in your heart and mind. Instead of solely listening to what man tells you to do. I am glad you can think for yourself and pray to get the right answers. I have Faith that others can make their own decisions on how they percieve how God really is, Not by what Man dictates.
EM , I have come to the conclusion that the reason you discredit the bible so much is because it points out how much of a sinner you are, as it does all of us.
Go off on your tirades all you want to, but I will preach the same message, hope you enjoy it.
Michael,
I don't have to use religion to hate a particular class of individuals and then call it sin.
EM , I have come to the conclusion that the reason you discredit the bible so much is because it points out how much of a sinner you are, as it does all of us.
Posted by michaelbell on Wed, Dec 17, 2008, at 4:12 PM
michaelbell,
I think you are on to something. It is almost like a modified form of denial. Discredit the Book that points out the sin in us instead of accepting the Atonement the Book points out for us. If he can discredit the Book he does not have to face the reality it presents.
Such a shame a man can stumble all over the top of salvation and never know what tripped him up.
Keep the Faith Michael and let it be known for others to share in. I may not be much but I do appreciate the time you spend preparing your topics.
michaelbell,
You have made me notice something tonight that I should have already seen.
Evilmonkey always gets wound up when you mention anything to do with the reality of a wrathful God toward sin. He has a problem accepting the total revealed character of God that is presented in the Bible.
If he can discredit the Bible he can create a God to his liking that only exists in his mind. He can create a God that has no wrath that will let him do as he wishes.
I think he really rather wants to discredit the wrath of God instead of the Bible. Unfortunately the Bible reveals this wrath of God and therefore becomes the object he is obsessed with destroying to remove the known wrath of God.
Sometimes you just have to think like a monkey to understand a monkey.
Michael,
I don't have to use religion to hate a particular class of individuals and then call it sin.
-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Wed, Dec 17, 2008, at 5:16 PM
No, he has to exercise love in order to tell them (and you) what they (and you) do not want to hear.
Reality is a tough thing to handle evil monkey but even that is reality.
And as you know it, the same can be said about you two. Inventing sins that are not in the Bible, then pointing fingers... How exciting as that? Keep manic spamming since you feel you need some justification. You just hate being wrong, whenever you have to multi-post it shows you are clammoring to find some answers. Boy, you are funny.
Sorry but it seems you have the right idea, Faith in God and not a book is smart . . .
-- Posted by Evil Monkey
Do not misunderstand me. I DO believe the Bible is the word of God. It is living and breathing. I can read it one day while dealing with one particular issue and it speaks to me on that. Another time, I can be dealing with something completely different, and when I open God's word He addresses that particular situation. It is much more than Coincidence!
I also stated that a man is free to choose who and what he believes. I did not mean that to say that he can believe who or what he wanted and expect to be "right" with God.
As mentioned previously, God's word says in John 14:6 that Jesus is the ONLY way!
Yes... I know, "Another sermon"... but when you KNOW something to be true, you can't help but point it out. It becomes a part of you... a passion.
My prayer is that you and everyone else is open-minded and open-hearted enough to let God truly penetrate your being, so that Truth is revealed.
Ok, So what you say is conflicted somewhat. You do believe the Bible is the Word of God, yet you quote John 14:6 and say that Jesus is the only way but in John 1:1 it states Jesus is the Word. How can the Bible and Jesus both be the Word?
Everyone here is using man-made terminology for Godly things, The Bible = Word of God. Trinity which isn't in the Bible, but is brought up quite a bit. Why does the majority here always use the man-made terms when spouting off about how much of a sinner I am? If you want to believe in a book that was picked through by genocidal maniacs and perverted bishops then so be it.
And for the sake of it all, Michael, your King James Bible was sanctioned by a Homosexual. Oh the Irony.
What does needs to be stated is that the BIG difference be christianity and any other religion is that in truth Christianity is NOT about religion, it's about a relationship. It is about about a 2 way and should be 3 way relationship between the believer and the Living God (Father, Son and Holy Spirit) and our fellow man. I do know that when a meet a person I would like to know better, I spend time with that person. The Bible (no matter if you believe it complete or not) is one way that I learn about God, prayer, songs/hymns, books, even spending time in nature are other ways that we learn about God. Corporate worship, i.e. church and spending time with fellow believers can also teach me about my faith and keep me accountable.
This faith I have sustains me through good times and bad times. We live in a society that manages to turn to God when disaster stricks, but he loves to hear us laugh and have fun also. I don't believe in a somber God that wants us to walk around with frowns on our faces and wear sackcloths. I do believe in a God that will walk with me and possibly carry me when needed, but also one that wants to bless me. If anyone thinks I don't know about the bad times, our family has just lost 2 wonderful men, one of them being my father. It's my faith that sustains me, I miss my Dad greatly, but I know he is in heaven and under God's loving protection and I will get to see him again one day. God's been doing a lot a carrying with me lately, but I know he will see me through.
EM, I only use the King James for word study with the Strong's .I read from my Jewish bible which I got last Christmas.
I don't make up the sins either, they are there, you just don't want to see them.
I have heard you spout off about King James being gay, can you prove it? do you have documented proof? Can you prove it beyond a shadow of a doubt?
I think not, I have read the stories, they were made up after he died.
People said John Wayne was gay to, after he died, well he wasn't pilgrim.
You show the proof, which you can't.
People have even had the nerve to say that Paul, or even Jesus himself was gay.
THE OLD TESTAMENT IS JESUS CONCEALED!
THE NEW TESTAMENT IS JESUS REVEALED!
That is how I know the bible is accurate and why I abide by it.
People following their conscience is why the country is in such a sad shape.
And for the sake of it all, Michael, your King James Bible was sanctioned by a Homosexual. Oh the Irony.
-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Wed, Dec 17, 2008, at 10:44 PM
Amazing. What lengths mankind will go to trying to discredit the Bible.
Yes... I know, "Another sermon"... but when you KNOW something to be true, you can't help but point it out. It becomes a part of you... a passion.
Posted by bkpow on Wed, Dec 17, 2008, at 9:40 PM
bkpow,
Christ had a passion. The passion you mention in you is none other than His embodied into you. It is a passion you recognize as no other. It is the Holy Spirit. It is the passion that enables me to say without a shadow of a doubt that I am eternally secure.
This Passion is the one promised in the Old Testament and delivered in the New Testament. It is the One that the Bible conseals and reveals as Michael put it.
Count it a blessing that you received the Passion.
Sharon22,
Nicely worded and surprisingly you used your heart and mind. As the others seem to have problems with using the Bible to point out flaws in others when in fact the book is flawed.
Michael,
Your Jewish Bible doesn't believe Jesus has returned. Now what is your answer to that? What proof do you have that King James is not gay? And I never mentioned Paul, I guess you have known he might be gay too? How can you say one thing but then turn around and say something else. Really I don't study homosexuality in Biblical times, but it has come up on occasions and there was never anything against it.
pbros,
ROFL and this comes from the "Christians" that have to lie, cheat and steal Pastor Certificates ... OH but when caught the excuse is "I don't need that to teach." Really rich there.
And for the sake of it all, Michael, your King James Bible was sanctioned by a Homosexual. Oh the Irony.
-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Wed, Dec 17, 2008, at 10:44 PM
I guess if God can use an ass to rebuke a prophet He can use a homosexual king to publish a Bible. :)(Numbers 22)
I wonder if since the devil can occupy pigs can he use a monkey?
The bible is by a group of Messianic Jews, aka the first Christians.
It is written with the Jewish words and the original thoughts.
It has pointed out that the King James can be anti- semitic sometime.
I think what happened to Sodom and Gomorrah speaks for itself.
There was nothing stolen.
I checked on yours and you have never been heard of under real or your fake name.
To be truthful I am on the list of graduates of the biblical course, I did not see your name anywhere.
Some of the greatest men of God I know don't have a lick of formal education, but they know how to preach the word.
With truth and conviction, something I aspire to do.
michaelbell,
I have known people who could neither read nor write but had received the Holy Spirit and could preach.
Sometimes a modern "education" can be a great stumbling block. I think you and I both know of examples of this.
Look at Paul, a highly educated man, until he got taught the real lesson out in the middle of nowhere by the Teacher.
He realized that what he had been taught by man was really nothing much more than dung.
What a difference in change of universities made in him.
What a differeence his life made in part of mankind.
Michael,
Because I do not take online courses from scam sites. Nor do I try to lead people down the wrong hate filled path.
pbros,
I guess you are a pig?
That is the gospel according to evil monkey.
This is according to you , I am still taking courses and will continue to learn from the likes of Haggee, Parsley, Stone and others.
You just discredit it because it is not the word you have heard or want to hear.
No cotton candy or fuzzy ducks here.
No ears tickled either.
Evil Monkey,
Hopefully some day you will accept the gospel and not want to tarnish it.
It will change you more in one day than evolution has in a million years.
Only you can change the mission you are on.
I believe that God uses this blog to change each of us. It reminds me of a quote from a book that a friend recommended.
Spiritual Disciplines for the Christian Life by Donald S. Whitley
[One catalyst the Lord uses to change us is people . "As iron sharpens iron, so one man sharpens another" (Proverbs 27:17). Sometimes God uses our friends to sharpen us into more Christlike living, and sometimes He uses our enemies to file away our rough, ungodly edges.]
Whatever it takes, Lord! To be more like you!
Michael,
I have heard your words for other types of religious quacks long before you accepted Jesus. Don't even try to even pull that on me. No idea why you even mention Cotton Candy, maybe you are hungry? Why do you want to tickle ears? What a strange fetish.
I discredit YOUR word because most of it is incomplete, false or idiotic.
Your Hagee
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0CyolAOe...
Your Parsley
http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpress....
Not sure what Stone you are referring to. But the people you look up to are lunatics. I guess you rather follow what man says instead of what God wants you to do.
pbros,
Seems the mission you are on doesn't seem to conform to your standards either. Stop being the demon-fused pig because if you don't you will be hurled over the cliff.
And as I have said before, Michael does no speak the gospel, I will not follow the pigs over the cliff. And it is funny how you keep mentioning evolution, wouldn't that be against your belief system?
bkpow,
Michaels blog has changed alot of peoples' beliefs away from Christianity. Don't believe me? Read some of his past blogs. Especially where he lies.
If I did follow man it would not be a evilmonkey.
People discredit Hagee and Parsley and the Stone is Perry Stone.
Like most people, when you don't hear the flattering messages of prosperity and love you freak out.
I have that book by John Hagee, and several more, he is the most accurate person I know of when it comes to Israel.
He has the backing of Rabbis and several former and the present prime ministers of Israel.
Lets see here, Hagee against abortion and gay rights, Parsley against abortion and gay rights, I am against abortion and gay rights, by the way Perry is to so I am sure you will not like him either.
I am starting to get it now, don't agree with the monkey and you are a lunatic, better call the white coats because I am honored to be in the group above.
The cotton candy is the stuff that Joel Osteen shovels at his megachurch!
led dat monki aloan heda boo doo chiled
I have been reading a bit from past comments and I'm confused, Evil Monkey...
you don't believe the Bible, but yet you believe in Jeses? how is that? you have yet to give me a clear explanation on just what is it you do believe.
All - let's not worry about the speck in someone else' eye until we make sure to remove the log in our own.
We will all never agree, but that doesn't give us reason to call names, etc. If Jesus Himself was persecuted and suffered, why would we think that as His followers, we wouldn't?
And even Jesus commented in Matthew 17:17 -
17"O unbelieving and perverse generation," Jesus replied, "how long shall I stay with you? How long shall I put up with you?
bkpow,
It did not take you long to observe the same thing that quite a few others have.
You are not the first person to ask evil monkey that famous question.
Maybe you will be the first to get an answer from him.
To this date he has never answered that $64,000.00 question.
He typically goes into the mode of..."you have not answered my question so why should I answer yours". That is about all you will be get out of him.
As I have said numerous times he can tell you what he does not believe in but he can find nothing to believe in to tell you about (unless it is something negative about someone else).
To put a close on the matter, at least we are discussing God and the bible, which is the best discussion a person or persons can have.
I think, Michael, you may have really hit on something here. As long as we continue the dialog we may all learn something regardless of our differences
The Vision of Christ that thou dost see
Is my Vision's Greatest Enemy.
Thine has a great hook nose like thine;
Mine has a snub nose like to mine.
Thine is the friend of All Mankind;
Mine speaks in parables to the Blind.
Thine loves the same world that mine hates;
Thy Heaven doors are my Hell Gates.
Socrates taught what Melitus
Loathd as a Nation's bitterest Curse;
And Caiphas was in his own Mind
A benefactor to Mankind.
Both read the Bible day & night,
But thou readst black where I read white.
William Blake
I was thinking the same thing Devan. Even evilmonkey has started to quote scripture lately.
Progress, yes it is progress I believe I see.
Never give up hope on anyone!
Although he be a monkey that does misbehave.
I believe his precious soul is something to save.
bkpow,
The Bible, as of RIGHT NOW, is incomplete, misinterpreted and that is what I have been saying. They twist is around. If you don't have the WHOLE book then how do you know what is the meaning behind any of the writings?
They, the above, love to mince, twist and overall LIE about what I have stated. They use fear, manipulation and hate to produce their results. Much like how Satan does.
EM, about this time last year I recommended a book I thought you might like (Phillip Yancey, "The Jesus I Never Knew"). Did you ever get a chance to read it? I would recommend it to anyone who wants to get excited about Jesus. I usually reread it (or at least parts of it) every Christmas season. Please don't think its intended as a continuation of the "discussions" that go on in the blogs. Its just a very thought provoking reexamination of how we think about Jesus.
That is why I research other writings and study ancient Jewish history for that is the history of the Bible.
You must start with the bible first and when you read the rest it brings the bible to full truth and makes it come alive.
I read the works of Josephus, I read the other gospels, I study Christian history, the works of first century church leaders.
When it comes down to it, the bottom line is still faith.
Ancient man did not have the vast knowledge that we have, they were taught God and that was it.
We get book sense and man's ways, then seek God, to lose him and find him again.
I rather have that "incomplete book" as you call it than all the knowledge in the world.
I have often wondered if you took a child from birth and kept him shielded from the world and taught him how to read with only the bible and a man made science book on creation and the ways of the world.
Which would influence him more? the bible or man's education?
I thoroughly believe the Holy Spirit would work through the bible and show him or her the correct path.
Evil Monkey,
What would constitute a complete book?
Could we ever get everyone to agree on the same number of books?
When we mathematically look at the possible combinations of canons that could be produced by some combination of the various considered letters written it would always be the likelihood that someone would still say it is incomplete or perhaps even over complete. There is literally billions of possible combinations of canons that could be produced.
I find it hard to believe that we would ever get such a vast majority as we now have that agrees on the canon to accept and agree on any other of the possible combinations we could come up with. It seems to have been already tried by the hands of time.
Although I admit that not everyone agrees on the current canon I do believe it is sufficient to bring the average sinner like me into an eternal relationship with our Creator that satisfies His demands.
Do you think the current canon is not adequate to reveal the total character of God and have enough information to convey the Good News about what is available to mankind?
Martin Luther wanted to remove the book of James because it spoke of works and faith, but even he did not have the gall to do it.
The bible has gone unchallenged until the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls, which happened just about the same time as Israel was reborn, uncanny huh?
I believe the Bible is:
as stated in the Baptist Faith and message...
"The Holy Bible was written by men divinely inspired and is God's revelation of Himself to man. It is a perfect treasure of divine instruction. It has God for its author, salvation for its end, and truth, without any mixture of error, for its matter. Therefore, all Scripture is totally true and trustworthy. It reveals the principles by which God judges us, and therefore is, and will remain to the end of the world, the true center of Christian union, and the supreme standard by which all human conduct, creeds, and religious opinions should be tried. All Scripture is a testimony to Christ, who is Himself the focus of divine revelation."
We must know where our foundation begins... we may grow and learn in different ways, worship in differnt ways, even believe some different things; but without a firm foundation of truth nothing else matters.
I write in a journal from time to time about ways God has shown Himself to me. Things He has taught me, times He has comforted me and so on and so on. Since I am still writing "my story", it is not yet complete... That does not make it untrue!
We must know where our foundation begins... we may grow and learn in different ways, worship in differnt ways, even believe some different things; but without a firm foundation of truth nothing else matters.
Posted by bkpow on Sat, Dec 20, 2008, at 11:05 PM
bkpow,
So true. If we all could only get one thing right building our house, let us build the foundation out of Christ. Some houses might be a little drafty due to the materials used upon the foundation but at least the house that sits on this foundation will be saved from the great storm to come.
1 Corinthians 3
11For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
12Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
13Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
14If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
15If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
bkpow,
Thank you for you understanding, so if the Bible is not complete therefore the foundation on what man has led us to believe was the truth was in fact only a partial truth. Wouldn't you feel the need to tell people that were being led astray?
No idea why you would paraphrase a Baptist ideal when it is denominational. They believe in the Trinity as that was not in the Bible either.
The Book of Nicodemus reveals some interesting information about the transition of Hell and Heaven. Another Gospels that were removed that shouldn't have been was Peters' two Books of the Apocalypse. Which was endorsed by more scholars to be in the current Canon than Revelations BUT it reveal too much... I guess there wasn't enough oppression and fear in it for Constantine's liking.
Devan,
I will make it a point to look into that book. I been pretty busy with more important matters and have a huge 1 year anniversary announcement to prepare for this coming year.
have a huge 1 year anniversary announcement to prepare for this coming year.
-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Sun, Dec 21, 2008, at 5:08 PM
Is this about your business? If so hope everything prospers for you in the new year. Hope your niche in the economy is not one of those affected too harshly by current negatives.
devan,
Nope, alot of people have decided on doing something related to my services so it has benefit both the customer and myself. I think it has alot to do with me being cost-efficient and local.
Oh, Doubting Thomas,
when will you believe? "Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe." Do you not know? Man thinks seeing is believing... but our God says..."blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed!"
It is not my job to scream or yell or beat you up over what you should believe... I shall only believe myself and pray for those who have not yet found the most wonderfuul Christmas Gift of All!!!
..."blessed are (you bkpow) who have not seen and yet have believed!"
bkpow,
Guess you have a hard time understanding or reading, I do NOT worship a book written by man. You seem to be in the same mindset as these other two. So I will not waste my time. Michael and pbros are wrong, they know it as you can tell by the time they spend lying to try to discredit me.
Devan,
Give me a call at 931-536-1279, got a question about the book.
Evil Monkey,
It is not you I seek to discredit, rather it is merely your claim of the Bible being a fairy tale that I engage with and seek to discredit.
pbros,
You said it was a fairy tale, I didn't. Putting words in others' peoples mouths is lying. I guess you are going to hell now, you can't ask for forgiveness because you keep doing it over and over, so therefore you are not repenting. If you feel you are going to be redeemed by the blood of the lamb for continually doing the same thing over and over then you are blaspheming God. How can you sit there and say you are a Christian?
Evil Monkey,
I see denial has set in on you now.
As always I say it is the inspired Word of God.
What do you think it is today?
Whatever, troll. Doesn't matter what you say, people know you are not a Christian.
People that "know" me, know I am indeed a Christian.
People that do not "know" me, do not know I am a Christian.
More importantly, peoples' view of me does not have bearing on my imputed righteousness.
Out of curiousity where did you learn about being a Christian? If you do not believe the Bible which first defined Christianity how can you believe you know what a Christian is? Are you making your basis of qualification of being a Christian on some Stargate book you claimed is more believable than the Bible.
I may not meet the qualifications of your Stargate Christian. If not so be it, you could be correct.
Actually the people that know you, don't want to be Christian because the way you annoint people using the bumper of your car. Must be the same way you were taught since you are clearly brain damaged.
Evil Monkey,
Such a shame you know so little about something.
Your available information will be so changed before long it will make your little furry head spin more than a coconut in a Category 4 hurricane.
By the way, how does Stargate define brain damage? :)
Evil Monkey,
right or wrong.... guilty or innocent...
I would not for all the world to see
the life I've lived in privacy!
Parkerbrothers is living with his mistake/accident completely in and through the eyes of anyone who chooses to judge and/or sentence. How much stronger a faith that takes than to hide small butterflies in our stomachs each time we fear one of our sins/mistakes might be made known! I am praying for his faith to be increased every second of every day!
I would rather pray for mercy and understanding (rather than sling condemnation), so that someday in return I might receive the same. But, don't worry.... one day we will ALL face a judgement - like it or not! You might want to keep that in mind.
God's word says... in RED letters even!: "Let the one who has never sinned cast the first stone".
And even the adulterous woman at the well (who wouldn't even come to the well when others were present) was forgiven her multiple sins once she accepted the LIVING WATER! Therefore, condemnation by the people has no lasting power when it comes to God's forgiveness!
Oh yes... and I'm praying for you too EM. Mark 9:24... help me overcome my unbelief!!!
bkpow,
ROFL Wow And who judges who? So I am an unbeliever because I know the Bible is NOT the word of God. I do not worship a book err idol as you 3 seem to feel the need to. I have MUCH more faith in God then the 3 of you put together because I do not need a book to make me believe. Geesh I guess you three have a HUGE problem with your faith if you need to continually feel superior over someone else.
I have MUCH more faith in God then the 3 of you put together because I do not need a book to make me believe.
So I am an unbeliever because I know the Bible is NOT the word of God.
Posted by Evil Monkey on Wed, Dec 31, 2008, at 9:48 AM
Evil Monkey,
Some can have Faith in the God referenced in a book called the Bible.
Some can have faith in the god referenced in a TV show called Stargate.
Maybe we should all realize we have a different God?
What do you think? (some of your buddies thought Tarzan was god)
What is ROFL?
evil monkey you are so spunky. email me at babychick37180@yahoo.com
What is ROFL?
-- Posted by bkpow on Wed, Dec 31, 2008, at 6:06 PM
bkpow,
It is what little chimps do.
(R)olling (O)n (F)orest (L)aughing
evil monkey you are so spunky. email me at babychick37180@yahoo.com
-- Posted by babychick on Wed, Dec 31, 2008, at 8:20 PM
babychick,
Is he the spunky munky?
Or is he the munky spunky?
babychick,
I emailed you back.
babychick, you got munkymail.