Defending Oneself and Being Called the Bully

That is why I am glad that "we" are chosen, because we chose his Son.

I am sorry for your so called "innocents" for there is no such thing.

We are all guilty and need the "Son"

When you reach that age to where you know right and wrong, then you must make the choice.

The ones with mental defects who can't do for themselves, God takes care of them.

2 Peter 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

But then again as it says a dog will return to its own vomit, other words you know what made you sick and you return and do it again.

To know there is a saviour named Jesus Christ and to know you are in sin and to accept him and turn away is one thing, he will take you back with open arms with a repentant heart that is.

But to not repent at all after hearing the word, to me that is the worst sin of all.

So if you have read the bible, then you know the way to salvation, and must take it.

All you need is the faith of a child , which is total faith.

Why do think that is imperative that the gospel be carried into all the world.

There will be a time during the tribulation wuth the two witnesses, but why wait till then?

Chef Boy R.D.,

Jesus isn't a wuss. He said if you are not for me you are against me.

If God hasn't called you, chances are God isn't going to. We don't choose Jesus, Jesus chooses us and ordains us.

Matthew 12:30

He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.

Luke 11:23

He that is not with me is against me: and he that gathereth not with me scattereth.

If you have never seen a bible you wouldn't be talking about Jesus nor the bible. There is "life after death" that will take care of those who honestly never read nor seen a bible.

All people are accountable to God whether they have "heard about Him" or not. The Bible tells us that God has clearly revealed Himself in nature (Romans 1:20) and in the hearts of people (Ecclesiastes 3:11). The problem is that the human race is sinful; we all reject this knowledge of God and rebel against Him (Romans 1:21-23). Apart from God's grace, God would give us over to the sinful desires of our hearts, allowing us to discover how useless and miserable life is apart from Him. This He does for those who reject Him (Romans 1:24-32).

In reality, it is not that some people have not heard about God. Rather, the problem is that they have rejected what they have heard and what is readily seen in nature. Deuteronomy 4:29 proclaims, "But if from there you seek the LORD your God, you will find him if you look for him with all your heart and with all your soul." This verse teaches an important principle: everyone who truly seeks after God will find Him. If a person truly desires to know God, God will make Himself known.

The problem is, "there is no one who understands, no one who seeks God" (Romans 3:11). People reject the knowledge of God that is present in nature and in their own heart, and instead decide to worship a "god" of their own creation. It is foolish to debate the fairness of God sending someone to hell who never had the opportunity to hear the Gospel of Christ. People are responsible to God for what God has already revealed to them. The Bible says that people reject this knowledge, and therefore God is just in condemning them to hell.

Instead of debating the fate of those who have never heard, we, as Christians, should be doing our best to make sure that they hear. We are called to spread the Gospel throughout the nations (Matthew 28:19-20; Acts 1:8). The fact that we know people reject the knowledge of God revealed in nature must motivate us to proclaim the good news of salvation through Jesus Christ. Only through accepting the Gospel of God's grace through the Lord Jesus Christ can people be saved from their sins and rescued from an eternity apart from God in hell.

If we assume that those who never hear the Gospel are granted mercy from God, we will run into a terrible problem. If people who never hear the Gospel are saved…we should make sure that no one ever hears the Gospel. The worst thing we could do would be share the Gospel with a person and have him or her reject it. If that were to happen, he or she would be condemned. People who do not hear the Gospel must be condemned, or else there is no motive for evangelism. Why run the risk of people possibly rejecting the Gospel and condemning themselves -- when they were previously saved because they had never heard the Gospel?

This is the answer from a Evangelism course I am taking.

It is a long drawn out answer, the gospel is easy, God is in everything you see and hear.

To think there is nothing after this life and to not think that we nnede a saviour is just denying a God even exist.

The course is through the Church of Living Water and The Voice of Evangelism.

well said, we the called out ones are the only truth some people will see.

All you need is the faith of a child , which is total faith.

-- Posted by michaelbell on Sun, Jan 4, 2009, at 2:34 PM

Precious childlike faith. Totally trusting in Abba. How great it is.

Have you noticed all the protest from around the world for what Israel is doing?

Vindicated,

Alot of the questions you have was left out of the current bible, but in the Complete Bible, those questions were answered. Of course Michael and Parkerbrothers rather believe in Man's Word.

So if all who have not heard the Word are saved, what is the big rush to see them all? Those who know right from wrong and live good lives are saved as well. Sounds resonable to me.

Vindicated,

you say you were once a Christian... ????

May I ask by whom and how you are now vindicated? I am truly interested in knowing what took the place of Jesus Christ?

In the Garden, what are your beliefs? I assumed since your "Log-on" was "in the garden" you were a believer as well...

Vindicated,

Alot of the questions you have was left out of the current bible, but in the Complete Bible, those questions were answered. Of course Michael and Parkerbrothers rather believe in Man's Word.

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Mon, Jan 5, 2009, at 11:34 AM

Looks like you would try to help her and then answer her questions for her with your "Complete Bible".

I do read them , more than you will ever know, but if they were not wrote before Christ or during the first 100 years after his resurection I don't hold much stock in them.

I suppose you are refering to the gnostic gospels.

What I do with my money and time is my buisness is mine, the same as yours is yours.

I suppose you know the whole truth, please enlighten me.

Michael,

The Gnostic Gospels are a very very small part of the non-canonized Bible. If you don't hold any stock in any of the books past 100 years, you might as well throw out most of the New Testament. There are quite a few books that are not in the canonized that were written during the time of Christ as well as being written within those 100 years after Jesus' Resurrection.

But I am not on the pulpit preaching, You are. Answer Vindicated's concerns.

Parkerbrothers,

Again twisting it around without answering the questions again, aren't you? Doesn't matter what I say to you, you're an idiot that will never learn a thing. If i say the sky is blue, you will say red. Just shut your pie hole, you have NOTHING of value to add to this conversation. I really pity you because you must be really alone.

So to the scoffers of the bible, and you know who you are.

If you don't believe the bible as it is, what is your take on the bible codes?

They are showing Armageddon week on the history channel, and this bible codes seem pretty interesting.

michaelbell, I guess I have to be the one to defend the Palestinians. The way I understand history, the Zionists, at the very least, share in the responsibility of the current situation. I have to ask how you would personally react to a large influx of illegal aliens (say Somalians) immigrating to your area, committing terrorist acts against the ruling political party, befriending the UN, and then being given outright a percentage of Tennessee because their lives in other lands were troubled and more importantly, because an ally to the UN (US and other western nations in this case) in the area was politically expedient. To add insult to injury, the new political rulers of your home were the very same people who were committing the bombing and terrorist acts. If you would be mad and desire war, then you are not alone. Then to further upset the situation, with outside support after the new government was founded, the illegal Somolian immigrants used the anger of the surrounding nations to expand their territory while committing heinous acts of genocide and the forcible removal of you, your family and your neighbors from the homes you live in, the land you owned and the town you work in and were born in, to refugee camps with no compensation or means of support because they could not risk a majority of you natives in a democracy upsetting their plans for an Islamic nation. If you can imagine the "Somalian army" marching your family at gunpoint out of your state and leaving you hungry, helpless and completely dependant in a settlement where you are expected to live out your lives, then you are starting to get an accurate early history of the Zionists in Palestine. Fast forward a couple of decades and you will see another war that was started by Israel and whose main objective was the procurement of more and better territory (one in particular), again aided by outsiders, and since have had the unwavering support of the US.

The Zionists, since the inception of the Jewish state have talked of the importance of peace while never wavering in their oppression the Palestinians. They have just as many, if not more, broken vows and promises as do the Arabs. It would take too long for me to list the UN resolutions against them. Even today, the Palestinians are oppressed and controlled by the leaders in the Jewish state. You can only squeeze anyone so much before they react. If you ask me, the only entity that gains from the continued strife is Israel. The Palestinians have no benefit, and even less of a chance of victory. If the wars and threats continue, Israel will continue to be justified in their actions.

If I did believe in God, I would be hard pressed to assume that the people currently living there would be His Chosen people any more than the Roman Catholic clergy during the dark ages were "chosen". They are a political entity. I am not saying that many of the citizens living there are not devout religious followers of various Jewish religious traditions, but the way I see it, to assign God's unconditional Grace on any government and assume no wrongdoing or corruption is just asking for trouble. It is also not attested to Biblically. I think the OT is pretty clear about how and why the Jews lost their last wars as a nation state/s.

"You have claimed the Bible is fictional and non reliable so I have no way to answer Vindicated questions in a way to satisfy you nor her."

Funny that greasemonkey was able to answer the questions, yet you couldn't because of more lies about me and what I say? How Christian. Hope you like it hot.

Evil Monkey,

My position is still the same. Since you have claimed the Bible is fictional and non reliable I have no way to answer Vindicated questions in a way to satisfy you nor her.

You would only believe the answers were fictional.

To memyselfandi, first off, the land called ISRAEL and a whole lot more they have give up in the name of peace, has and always will be theirs.

The so-called Palestinians state was made by a Roman Caesar out of his hatred for the Jews.

As far as the influx, I assume you mean the Jews coming home to Israel, they are only fulfilling biblical prophecy, in my estimation, the Palestinians, have no defense, nor should they have one.

All the Israelis want is what is theirs.

gottago,

Right on.. But oddly enough their utilitarianism thinking is a mirror image of many in this country.

michaelbell, I do understand your position, but to claim divinely assigned ownership of Israel to the Jews, you really have no choice but to accept Divine expulsion as well. The way I figure, from the claiming of the land after the Exodus, to the overthrow of either kingdom, we are looking at several hundred years of Divine right. When we compare that to approx 10,000 years of non-Jewish control of the land (or if you prefer Ussher's 5000 years) the claim of Divine right for today is questionable, even for many believers. Is God functioning on your time schedule, or are you living on his?

If I were in your position, and assuming that my belief in scripture dictated the necessity of current political intervention, I would be very careful to watch for human manipulation of realities created to mirror scripture. There are several ways that could happen. The first is that scripture is not at all secret, and can be used to control public opinion and sentiment for political gain. A second is that there are some that actually believe that they have the ability to manipulate God's plan, and look to hasten the return.

I hate to use the analogy of Native Americans, but...if the people marching you out of your home at gunpoint to a refugee camp were Native Americans, that would be okay to you? The land you live on was likely ancestral hunting ground for some group only several hundred years ago, and for much longer than a few hundred years before that. All they would want is what is theirs after all.

In all fairness, the Zionists have not willingly given up anything in the name of peace. Any concessions made were at the demands of others who had the ability to dictate. They are notoriously brutal and cruel in their interactions with the Palestinians. They have always used harsh tactics with their only restraint being the watchful eye of the world community, generally excluding the US. For example, tearing down the houses of innocent civilians as collective punishment to entire neighborhoods and breaking the arms of youths throwing rocks at tanks and machine gun toting soldiers. They would have preferred to have just shot them dead, but due to international pressures, they chose that policy to avoid raising the death toll of civilians and inviting more scrutiny. Torture is common and accepted. Palestinians are regularly executed or face other extreme punitive measures with no trial. Trade and borders are tightly controlled. Israeli offensives often take no notice of civilian losses, and some would even say that they are encouraged. Exactly what is it that you imagine they have given up in the name of peace? Don't misunderstand me, I am not assigning all responsibility to the Zionists, but they do have a large share.

If in the near future, the US withdraws its unconditional support of Israel as bellbuckletn predicted, and they are pushed into the sea, does that also reflect the will of God? In that case, were they living in sin? Not the chosen people? God's mercy on mankind? Prove that there is no God? It is one thing to watch the world while keeping prophesy in mind, but something entirely different to overtly support events validating that prophesy that you would not support otherwise. If you believe the Jews will rebuild according to prophecy, then you must believe that they will, regardless of political atmosphere or support. If you believe that the only way for the prophecy to be fulfilled is through the political manipulation of man, then you do not have the faith I thought you had. If we are to throw out concepts like right, just, moral and legal when faced with worldly events, even those involving biblical prophesy and the Temple, then we are no better than the very worst of mankind, and represent poor examples of what the ideals of Christianity portray.

For references read the following verses

Isa 43:1 But now thus saith the LORD that created thee, O Jacob,Hand he that formed thee, O Israel,Fear not: for I have redeemed thee, I have called thee by thy name; thou art mine Israel. Fear not: for I am with thee: I will bring thy seed from the east, and gather thee from the west;

Isa 43:6 I will say to the north, Give up; and to the south, Keep not back bring my sons from far,and my daughters from the ends of the earth.

Don't ever think the Old Testament is nothing no more, for it will come to pass again.

michael,

I know more about the Bible then you will ever know; You are so close-minded and ridiculously stubborn that you can't even admit you lied, cheat and then never ask for forgiveness (repent).

How can you call yourself a Christian after all of the crap you have pulled?

How can you say it is ok for Israelis to kill INNOCENT people just because of their race/religion? It is only a piece of land. Nothing special about it. Both of these people fighting do not believe in the New Testament.

Really I don't understand you. Nothing you believe in makes any sense whatsoever. It is such a clusterf*** mess; do you just type of random thoughts and hope it meshes? Do you look for news then cut and paste what other religious wackos think of it? You really need to seek some professional help because you are losing your bird.

And don't tell me what I know or don't know or what I believe and don't believe. You cannot read my mind only God can.

So you worship land over God? Jesus died to save ALL Not just jews. The NEW Jeruselum, NOT Old Jeruselum. It never states a location, do you think York is located in New York? Do you think England is located in New England? Do you think Amsterdam is located in New Amsterdam?

Have you really thought about these?

"The death of innocent people is a sad casuality of war, always has been , always will be."

It isn't a war, it is genocide, they AIMED for it. They do not allow food, water or other supplies to enter Gaza. 3 hours of cease fire every other day??? That is all Israel can do? It takes that long just to park the boat and unload 1/25 of the supplies for those people dying over a STUPID piece of land.

I guess the news report was right when it said that the media and even the people would turn this on Israel, then what ele is new?

If you have a army with Tanks, Jets, and other High -Tech gear against a group of guerrilas with handmade rockets and ak-47s. You can see that Israel is going to win. I mean look how we won in Iraq...

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Fri, Jan 9, 2009, at 12:19 PM

Every war has some reason it was won.

Every war has some reason it was lost.

Michael,

What a repugnant statement you just made. Do you really believe God would bless such horrible invasions and mass killings that Israel has committed.

Innocent people are being killed and to say God would condone such is beyond belief. War, both just and unjust happens daily, but to justify killing hundreds of people because 'god says so' is hateful and ignorant. You are unfit to preach the gospel.

Read the Old Testament and you will be amazed at what God did, telling Elijah to kill every living thing. Learn more on the God of Abraham , Isaac , and Jacob, before you bash me.

For God to fulfill his ultimate plan , there will be millions of death, a third of the population, read the book of Revelation, look what God allowed Satan to do to Job.

Oh I forgot, you don't believe the bible or take it seriously, then I doubt your God is the same as mine.

Israel has every right whether God given or not to do what they are doing , and I applaud them for it.

The Jesus of the New Testament is the Son of the Jehovah God of the Old Testament, and when he comes back which will be sooner than most think, he will cleanse the earth of all evil the same as days of old.

The Bible= Truth I bet my life on it.

For my life is his to taken when he pleases.

For I shall live eternally with him.

Evil Monkey,

Although neither you nor I like to see war anywhere, we probably will continue to have to see it until Peace comes as prophesied.

There is Good News about the Peace that is coming though to claim His inheritance. I am just glad to be a mere soul put in the Will.

The Jesus of the New Testament is the Son of the Jehovah God of the Old Testament...

Posted by michaelbell on Sat, Jan 10, 2009, at 9:09 AM

michael,

By chance this morning I was looking for the scriptures that mentioned something about the wolf and lamb dwelling and feeding together and the leopard lying down with the child.

I located them in the Book of Isaiah. I only meant to spend a few minutes reading them but before I knew it I was captivated by it and read all of it over a few hours. I had read and studied it a few times before but had never had it appear with such meaning as it did today.

No doubt the apostles that wrote the New Testament were very familiar with the Book of Isaiah of the Old Testament. Much of Isaiah is reflected in their work.

Although the Old Testament has always been the hardest for me to focus on and devote time to, I found the Book of Isaiah very interesting and meaningful today. I encourage everyone to read it under the light of the events of today.

Hebrews 4:12 - "For the word of God is living and active..."

God's word always speaks to us in a unique and meaningful way when we are truly "listening". God loves to converse with us as much as we love to speak to Him. My problem... I'm usually too busy talking to shut up and listen! :) That's why God not only uses His word to guide us, but the Holy Spirit, other brothers & sisters in Christ, and even circumstances. I had a day like that today.

I went to a funeral visitation today to support a co-worker and some new friends even though I had never met their loved one. Their mom was described as "a friend of God; someone who oozed sweetness"! What a compliment!!! (I hope someone says about me someday "she loved others"!) Anyway, what struck me was how much more a time of celebration it was than a time of sorrow. That's what I want too!

Another friend of mine pointed out as we talked, that we - human beings - were not made to understand death. God created us for eternity and evil brought about death. We are not hard-wired for that so we sometimes have a hard time handling the death of a loved one. She also shared the most wonderful verse... Psalm 116:15 "Precious in the sight of the Lord is the death of his saints." He is anxiously awaiting face-to-face fellowship with each of His children. Just like we can't wait for ours to get home at night when they are out and we wait and worry.... how much more relief God feels when we arrive safely home. Home with Him! Our Abba!

supposed to be history

Isaiah also gives more information of the soon coming Messiah, and he is coming soon.

Posted by michaelbell on Sat, Jan 10, 2009, at 4:42 PM

Michael,

Yes, I believe quite a few victories will be acheived on this day of coming.

Sadly though, quite a few casualities will be occur.

Much like today's Israel.

Hopefully today someone new chooses Christ as their Commander in Chief.