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Crossroads II
Posted Friday, January 16, 2009, at 12:57 PM
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For a long time I thought that churches believed the way they did just because they , well they just did.

I went to church as a child like everyone else did, I was raised Church of Christ, in which we were taught , as a denomination that we were the only right ones and everyone else was wrong. For a long time I believed this that is till my late mother broke one of the church laws by wearing pants to church one Sunday.

She had to have major surgery on her legs and was embarrassed by all the stitches and scars and wore a nice pair of women's slacks and was told to not come back until she could adhere to the rules of the church.

She never came back to that one, this church and my family had gone back for a long time to.

A church does need a set of beliefs that are unquestioned and the rest is so minute, it does not matter.

I have been reading a book called -The Case For The Real Jesus by Lee Strobel - I got thoroughly into the way that he went from a Atheist to a defender of the Son of God and the Bible.

Seems that a lot of Christian scholars have changed their mind towards Jesus and who he was, and whether the Bible can be taken seriously or not.

He proved to me, though I had no doubt, that Jesus in the Bible is who it says he is and God in his infinite wisdom and for His Glory inspired the writers of the Bible and made sure that it came into existence the way he wanted it to.

It has not been questioned until now and as the bible says in II Pet 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lust.

4 And saying,"Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

People who I know personally turned their back on God to never return as in John 6:66[the Apostasy verse]

I myself for a time also did leave, but God drew on my heart and brought me back with a purpose, and that was to do his bidding no matter what the cost, and this I intend to do.

You don't choose God he chose you before the foundations of the earth.

I will be the first to admit, the church has messed things up for years and some continue to mess things up.

I will do my best to keep the church as pure as possible and to let God be in control for he is my pilot, I am just a passenger in this world till he takes me home.

Through research and extensive praying I have come up with what will be the core beliefs of Crossroads which will not falter or be questioned for they are mandates from his Word, Jesus, and the words that the inspired writers of the bible penned years ago.

CROSSROADS Core of Beliefs.

1: The Bible is the inspired and only infallible and authoritative written word of God[Ps 119;Matt 4:4;Lk24:27

2: One God eternally existing in three persons the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost.[1John 5:7

3:The only means of being cleansed from sin is through repentance and faith in the precious blood of Christ[Rom5:1;Eph 2:8-9, 13-18]

4:In the Deity of our Lord Jesus Christ, in his Virgin birth, in his sinless life, in his miracles, in his vicarious and atoning death, in his bodily resurrection, in his ascension right hand of the Father, in his personal future return to earth in power and glory to rule for a thousand years.[Jn1:1-4;Eph.2:13-18;Revchppts 19 and 20.

5:In the blessed hope- the rapture of the church and his second coming[1Thes.4:13-18.

These 5 will not be changed or amended at anytime, the verse that ties them all together is as follows:

1Cor-15:13-17 But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:14:And if Christ NOT RISEN then is our preaching in vain, and your faith is also vain. 15 Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ:whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.16:For if the dead rise not, then is Christ not raised.17:And if Christ be not raised , your faith is vain, ye are yet in your sins.

This will be the required belief to be baptized and if wanted, to be a church member, for you are baptized into Christ, not the church.

Without believing the resurrection, for that is what the entire faith sets on, you might as well believe in nothing.

That is what makes Jesus different from all others, He died for us, conquered death and sin and rose to give us hope.

These beliefs will be the Foundation for Crossroads.

As a group of believers anything else can be discussed and voted on.

You must have scripture to back it up!

I am presently looking for people to be church leaders and to be in charge of a oversight committee to keep everything checked and balanced and on the level.

Any suggestions or comments.


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FYI.....not every Church of Christ has that policy or belief about the clothes. I have gone to numerous Churches of Christ and it didn't matter what you wore as long as you were there. I have worn pants from time to time myself and no one told me not to come back. As for the thing about they are the only ones that are right and everyone else is wrong, that's not true either. They simply teach what is written in the bible and nothing else. They don't add or take away from it and that is the way it should be. Maybe you need to revisit one and see for yourself.

-- Posted by jkelley on Sat, Jan 17, 2009, at 8:04 AM

I am not saying that all of them do, and this happened back in 1980.

I have been to several since then and know that they are not all like that.

I have been to some that still do hold the beliefs of the one I attended.

I have been to Baptist, Methodist, Pentecostal, and several other denominations and see good, and bad in all.

That is what got me going on this journey of getting to the roots of my faith.

That root is Jesus Christ and I believe that I am supposed to have a church that has none of those man-made rules that have split churches up for years.

"Come as you are, but Expect a change"

-- Posted by michaelbell on Sat, Jan 17, 2009, at 8:53 AM

You say we are baptized into Christ, not into the church. But the church is the body of Christ. There is an identity between Christ and his church. Notice in 1 Cor 12:12 how Paul uses "Christ" when one would have expected him to say "the church" or "the body of Christ" and then in the next verse say that we are baptized into that one body. Of course we all remember the risen Christ saying to Saul the persecutor of the church, "why are you persecuting me." Many other passages would show that one cannot separate Christ from his church.

I admire your zeal and determination to follow the Lord.

-- Posted by fconley on Sat, Jan 17, 2009, at 9:45 AM

Yes, but some churches insist that you be baptized into its denomination.

I knew a pastor who was a member of a denomination for years, left it and joined another, and was told that his prior affiliation was invalid and had to be re- baptized and retaught into "their way of thinking".

Yes, the church is the people. the place they go to meet is only a building, but you are baptized into Jesus Christ!

-- Posted by michaelbell on Sat, Jan 17, 2009, at 11:12 AM

Remember, the word church comes from the Greek word" ekklesia" which means to be called out

-- Posted by michaelbell on Sat, Jan 17, 2009, at 11:17 AM

This will be the required belief to be baptized and if wanted, to be a church member, for you are baptized into Christ, not the church.

Posted by michaelbell on Sat, Jan 16, 2009, at 12:57PM

Michael,

A question for ponderance:

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Paul says there is one baptism.

Ephesians 4

4There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;

5One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

6One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

__________________________

Peter learned something about baptism dealing with the household of Cornelius.

Act 11

16Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.

__________________________

What kind of baptism (immersion) are you referring to? John's water baptism or Christ's Holy Ghost baptism? There is only one baptism...isn't there???

-- Posted by parkerbrothers on Sat, Jan 17, 2009, at 4:25 PM

To me the "One Baptism" talked about is the one that John the Baptist gave to Jesus " to fulfill all righteousness".

The "Holy Ghost" baptism is one I am still studying, Pentecostals say you have to have it to be saved and you must show the signs of "speaking in tongues"

To me when Jesus baptizes you in the "Holy Spirit" is is the baptism of peace.

When Jesus got baptized with water was one, then the Holy Spirit descended as a dove, he did not start to shake violently or speak in tongues or get"slain" in the spirit as some say.

He was at peace, knew his destiny and had no doubts after that.

I believe to have the baptism of the Holy Spirit is to know beyond a shadow of a doubt that you are saved by the blood of Jesus.

John represents mortal man, any fellow Christian can baptize another fellow Christian[ with water]

Jesus was no mortal man, I believe that only he baptizes with the Holy Spirit which is PEACE in him.

-- Posted by michaelbell on Sat, Jan 17, 2009, at 4:50 PM

So what denomination are you?

-- Posted by Chef Boy R.D. on Sat, Jan 17, 2009, at 4:53 PM

None, I have been to several and studied the history of all of them, they all have good and bad points.

I have chosen non-denominational because I don't want any labels put on it that might would keep people away.

If you look in the bible you will find basis for all kinds of denominations, some are only different by name.

I prefer the hymns of old, but do like some contemporary.

I do like instruments, but love Acapella also.

I believe in "laying of hands" God does the healing, we just agree in prayer and unity.

I love the Jewish aspect of the faith so the feast and festivals will be observed.

However the spirit leads I will follow.

If you ever get a chance to watch John Hagee or Perry stone or Jimmy Swaggart that is the closest to what I want to do.

Testimonials, specials and all day singing is what I grew up loving.

Paul did not want divisions, but he had them then and we have them now.

I just want to offer a place of worship, and to learn the Word of God together.

A church to draw young and old alike.

-- Posted by michaelbell on Sat, Jan 17, 2009, at 5:10 PM

You sure have some interesting role models. Hagee I have seen before. Swaggart, wasn't he involved in some kind of scandal? Never heard of the Stone guy.

-- Posted by Chef Boy R.D. on Sat, Jan 17, 2009, at 11:28 PM

Perry Stone is an interesting fellow. I have not seen enough to form an opinion, but what I saw on his depiction of the Jewish wedding ceremony was fascinating.

-- Posted by Sharon22 on Sun, Jan 18, 2009, at 12:04 AM

Swaggart repented , he is human just like all the rest of us.

-- Posted by michaelbell on Sun, Jan 18, 2009, at 5:42 AM

It is not them, but the one they follow.

-- Posted by michaelbell on Sun, Jan 18, 2009, at 5:55 AM

http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches...

David repented aand was forgiven, I would say Jimmy was to,

-- Posted by michaelbell on Sun, Jan 18, 2009, at 6:00 AM

sounds like a great idea,a new church. could be another jim jones. be careful.

-- Posted by ANEWDAY on Wed, Jan 28, 2009, at 7:10 AM


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