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A New Direction.Posted Wednesday, January 21, 2009, at 5:44 AM
I will be going in a different direction from here on out. I will be blogging on current events as they pertain to the Christian faith and the attacks on it. Updates on Crossroads will also be a main topic.
I will post the links to the topic so I cannot be accused of making it up. I will try to be more uplifting without compromising my beliefs and values. The subject that gets all the tempers up on here will not be my main topic anymore. My stance still stays the same and will not change, but discussing it brings out the bad in all of us. I am taking a class in apologetics to help prove to the doubters that Jesus did what the Word said he did and that the Bible can be taken as inerrant. Copyist errors, yes, the doctrine of faith and salvation a definite no! I have just become aware that the rebuilding of the Third temple is in its beginning stages and will give updates on it. The incoming prime minister of Israel states and I quote" It will be my honor to rebuild the Throne of David to welcome the soon coming Messiah" All three of the major faiths are seeing that the Messiah is soon to arrive, they may differ on who he is , but they all agree that he is coming and coming soon. If I have offended , I am sorry, not for the bible or defending my beliefs, but in the wording and timing of my blogs, and will take a more concerted effort in the future to keep on my favorite subject which is my passion for Christ and his working in my life. I do not apologize for the Bible for it needs no apologies, for men who were inspired by God to write it gave us the only book in my estimation of its kind. I hope to prove that with history and reasoning, those of you who are determined to not take it as inspired; I hope I can change your hard hearts, though Pharaoh's never changed in the days of Moses. It is the ones who are on the fence who don't know what to believe that I want to offer the bible and its transforming power which comes from God himself. Without believing in the birth, death and most of all, THE RESURRECTION OF JESUS CHRIST life has no hope. To only live for this life and not the one hereafter is a sad way to live this one. This one is only temporary, the next is eternal. With Crossroads I not only want it as a church on Sunday, but to be available all week long as a place of teaching and learning of the different aspects of the Judeo- Christian faith. I may go in with a dead set opinion and a person more educated on the subject than I may be there, and teach me something new. I am still learning as I always will. I hope to have a more civilized blog on here as to maybe be a benefit to someone instead of a hindrance. Comments Showing most recent comments first [Show in chronological order instead] |
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I have not noticed their comments getting deleted but I guess if they are they can change their name like some others have quite a few times if that be the case and keep on going....
I thought the same thing, but "in the garden" repeated it a couple of times as gay abortions. Nice try though. Seems some of their comments are getting deleted. Think they were deemed inappropriate? Naaa couldn't be because he/she should be right eh? Keep twisting it dude. Quite amusing for someone like you that obsesses over me.
Evil Monkey,
I can neither be for or against such a term.
Everyone noticed the fact that the person (in the garden) left out the word "and" when they said gay abortions. They had earlier typed it properly.
However, I thought they properly spelled everything when they responded to you about your interragations.
The comment about gay abortions? I take it you are for or against them?
No, I think their comment says it all pretty well myself.
pbros,
what are you talking about? Did you even read the comments? She said GAY ABORTIONS, and I said it was an oxymoron. in the garden doesn't get it, as it seems you don't either. And where I was, shouldn't really matter.. unless you are obsessed with me, right? Pretty much says it all eh?
Would you accept a fruit basket?
listen evil monkey please stop using PERSONAL ATTACKS in this forum. if you're gong to attack me for my position on gay marriage and gay abortion clinics then please do it with FACTS and not your personal attacks. it just goes to show how BAD YOU ARE at arguing on the INTERNET of all places.
dont make me spank you evil monkey! i like to spank monkeys! ill do it!
-- Posted by in the garden on Fri, Jan 30, 2009, at 12:04 PM
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Evil Monkey,
I have not heard from you in a while and I became worried after reading the above comment on another blog that it appears you may have interrigated. Are you okay?
We are all capable of having opinions and an ability to express them.
You are entitled to believe as you do and label the Bible as a mere fantasy.
I am entitled to believe it is the Inspired Word of God.
At least be thankful for being able to express your opinion in the country we live in with little to no reprecussions. Everyone does not have such a great priviledge.
I only ask you to not try drag others into the state of disbelief you seem to exist in.
Although you could never answer my question I will tell you that there is no benefit in disbelief and only Satan could gain by the influence of your comments. That answers two of the questions I asked you and only leaves the question of "What do you have to benefit from promoting disbelief in another soul" as unanswered?
Actually it is your that needs to see the light. People realize that.
I will always have hope everybody including you sees the light one day. The rest is up to you.
You just hate that you can't stop obsessing about me. Childlike you are. Faithful? No friggin way.
If you are so meager how do you think you can read God's mind?
Posted by Evil Monkey on Wed, Jan 28, 2009, at 12:36 PM
He has revealed it to the simple. Just as a Father reveals the message of life to his child.
Childlike Faith is wonderful. Give it a try.
Evil Monkey,
Yes, a man or woman can know the mind of God. I think it is adequately displayed in both the Old and New Testaments. I wish you could understand that but as long as the Bible is a fairy tale to you it will remain hard to grasp.
Read the Bible sometimes with the understanding of what these writers went through to bring it to us and defend their faith. Ask yourself would they have devoted their life to defending a fairy tale. Give it a try.
I am still wondering:
Why not allow them to believe?
You know what they have to gain by believing.
What have you to gain if they accept your comments?
What would Satan have to gain if they accept your comments?
pbros,
So you can read God's mind now? Wow. If you are so meager how do you think you can read God's mind? You questions are stupid because they make no sense to any of the comments you relate them to. So you think because you believe the way you do, you're right? But your actions show the opposite.
Again and I repeat, The comments are taken out of the context that they were intended. Everyone knows exactly that. I think your obsession of me is amusing; but as I have reiterated that I am heterosexual.
Mixing homosexuality with bestiality takes a sick sick sick mind!!
Posted by stolen25 on Wed, Jan 28, 2009, at 7:37 AM
stolen25,
The mind of God says they are both a sin. The mind of God says He can not be in the presence of sin. The mind of God provided a means of attonement for sin so we can come into His presence.
The mind of God is the same today as it was yesterday.
stolen25,
Sorry, I just form my opinions based on what is revealed in the Bible. If it says sin is sin then I am left with no other conclusion but to understand sin is sin irregardless of how many of my fellow beings wish to undo it.
I do hope you would realize that I wish I could make the rules of what could be considered sin in God's eyes. I would simply take all my desires and yours and all others and label them as non sin.
I would also probably try to change God's feelings about our sin from a wrath of it to even a liking of it.
If I were able to enable it I would allow everyone to go to heaven. Everyone.
Unfortunately I am just a meager little pot that is being crafted by the Great Potter.
What do you feel is wrong with submitting to the Potter's will? If He says the pot is orange what color would you say the pot is?
parkerbrothers, you are just plain ignorant and crazy. I wouldn't let you build a house for my dog. Mixing homosexuality with bestiality takes a sick sick sick mind!! I can't imagine all the muck swimming up in your brain and you call yourself a Christian? You sir (and I use that term lightly) are one of the main reasons I don't call myself one, I wouldn't want to be compared to you or your way of thinking.
The issue is, Why would you even mention your turkey friend or the hamster incident? What did any of it have to do with the conversation?
Posted by Evil Monkey on Tue, Jan 27, 2009, at 11:13 PM
I think the conversation back then was about the logic of comparison of adultery and homosexuality and bestiality. If my memory serves me right there was a point where someone thought they should not even be compared and others thought differently.
They all can be seen in the same light of being sinful. I think that was my position then and things are still the same with me today a year later.
Have you thought any more about my question:
Why not allow them to believe?
You know what they have to gain by believing.
What have you to gain if they accept your comments?
What would Satan have to gain if they accept your comments?
bkpow, I wish I could.
-- Posted by memyselfi on Wed, Jan 28, 2009, at 1:36 AM
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bkpow, I wish I could.
You can ask me whatever you want ALL day long because you know the answer.
You like to lie and take PARTS of a conversation, just like you do the Bible and make them your own.
The issue is, Why would you even mention your turkey friend or the hamster incident? What did any of it have to do with the conversation?
All you want to do is vilify people that you don't like. Just like you are trying to do to me. People know me, think totally different then what you want them to think. It does NOT work. People know you, and guess what? 95% of them don't like you, why do you think that is?
Evil Monkey,
I will say though, that I sin even a bigger sin every day of my life that I can not break.
I honestly realize that I fall short daily in maintaining the greatest commandment of all, let alone the second one.
Mark 12:30-31 (King James Version)
30And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
31And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.
I still to this day maintain some degree self-centered love of self in a way I do not wish existed in any amount in myself. Don't get me wrong, I do love the Lord but I do realize that it is insufficient to meet the terms of the commandment.
Fortunately I know I am a sinner in this regaurd and have had the attonement revealed to me through the Word of God which is displayed throughout the Bible.
We all fall short no matter how we try not to. Some of us have been blessed to realize it and others of us never believe we fall short and thus sin.
Again I ask something for you to consider David.
Why not allow them to believe?
You know what they have to gain by believing.
What have you to gain if they accept your comments?
What would Satan have to gain if they accept your comments?
Evil Monkey,
The truth still remains I have known people, not necassarily friends, of this nature ( a turkey lover but not hampster abuser) by their own admittance. Quite naturally I do not condone this activity and know it is a sin. As you know I have always said bestiality is and will always be a sin in God's eyes.
Letting people know this is a sin and there is hope in repentance is a Biblical context subject. Denying the reality of known existing bestiality would be unbiblical.
To be honest, I really did not care to hear the details of this old farmers life but I was in a situation where I could not help but listen at it. I think the thing that bothered me most was the seemingly acceptance of it by most of the other elderly men that were in ears range also. Some actually disagreed on the ranking of the sheep, horse, turkey, and pig.
You never know what is going to be discussed at a dove hunt. Needless to say, I have not been dove hnting in a looong time.
OH... FORGET THIS!
So PB,
You comments on having your friend having sex with turkeys and bound hamsters in someone's rectum is appropriately bringing people to Christ?
"He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
This is one of my favorite quotes. If you've never seen the movie "The End of the Spear" I would highly recommend it. It's out on DVD or VHS I believe. If you go rent it, it's a couple, three years old.
Do you think you comments are of the quality of how Christians trying to bring the message of Christ would speak?
-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Tue, Jan 27, 2009, at 10:34 AM
Evil Monkey,
My comments are not perfect by any means. But I do hope to convey the message that there is some really really really Good News to attone for the really Bad News about the wrath of God toward our sins.
I also hope to convey that the Bible is the inspired Word of God and Peace and Joy can be found with what he wanted to reveal to us.
EM, what better hope can you give us besides the One found in the Bible?
If there is a true better hope I am interested in listening to you help us all?
Why do you avoid the questions regarding the context of those comments?
Posted by Evil Monkey on Tue, Jan 27, 2009, at 10:34 AM
Evil Monkey,
No avoidance. Anyone can simply click archives and start reading if they need more. I think the comments are pretty well the same no matter what context they are in. I think enough was posted to get the message across that your comments could be detrimental to a young mind.
Again I ask something for you to consider.
Why not allow them to believe?
You know what they have to gain by believing.
What have you to gain if they accept your comments?
What would Satan have to gain if they accept your comments?
You definately have an obsession towards me. You want me. But, just for the record. I am married and straight.
Why do you avoid the questions regarding the context of those comments?
Do you think you comments are of the quality of how Christians trying to bring the message of Christ would speak?
You must be totally obsessed with me, It is so freakish. Wow you must want to be like me to keep my comments saved.
-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Mon, Jan 26, 2009, at 11:18 PM
Evil Monkey,
You are not the object of any obsession and I do not think I would want to be like you? You may be a nice guy but all I have to know you by are your postings. I would not know an evil monkey if I seen one.
If there was an obsession it would only be with the effort of trying to stop damaging comments. You never know when a young absorbant mind is soaking in your defamating comments of the Bible on this blog.
Why not allow them to believe?
You know what they have to gain by believing.
What have you to gain if they accept your comments?
What would Satan have to gain if they accept your comments?
He controled the issuance of free will.
Just because He knows the decisions we will make does not take the decisions or choices from us.
We are free to assist or resist our free will temptations.
I believe that our choices we make are ours alone.
If we choose to jump off a building, it is not because God predestined us to.
All the things that David did in the bible was of his on accord, not God's, but he always sought after God.
God knows our hearts and he will accept those who repent and turn to him.
This predestination concept is a hard one because, if we do have freewill then how can God be in control?
bkpow, I do not know why someone has not answered your two comments yet. They may not have had the time today. I understand the question and believe it to be very clear, but I doubt any answer I could give is exactly what you are looking for.
If I were to guess, based on Christian theology, I would have to say that it is understood by many that on some level, God already knew our choices even before creation, and that His "plan" is not affected at all by our variables. I am not sure that anyone could ever do what God "would not have planned for us", if we are to believe in an omniscient God. The larger question you seem to be getting at is that if we do have free will, but God already knows the outcome, do we really have that free will. If that is the heart of it, there is no clear answer that I know, except what you personally believe. It is a very interesting subject and I think any reality you may accept has far-reaching consequences.
Maybe someone will get to your comments in the morning.
You must be totally obsessed with me, It is so freakish. Wow you must want to be like me to keep my comments saved.
So what your point? Does anyone see any point he has made? Why don't you show the true context of those comments.
If I may... I have a question I wouldn't mind input on.
Do you think that changes come in your life and you are moved to a certain place because it's God's plan... or do you think we, as humans, something place ourselves on a different course and then God redeems that choice and uses it for His plan?
Of course, I KNOW that everything that happens is part of God's plan, but I also believe that we are all free to choose our course and even if it wasn't what God "would have planned for us", He can still use it.
Clear as mud? :)
-- Posted by bkpow on Mon, Jan 26, 2009, at 12:21 PM
Evil Monkey,
Sorry, I should have posted the comments that I was referring to that you made about how you feel about these issues.
Let me post them and maybe you will see where my concern is.
Again, I am sorry for not posting them so you would know which ones I was referring to.
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I don't believe in God, Hell or any of the other crap so none of it matters. And as I grow older, I am finally given up believing in Santa and the Tooth Fairy.
-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Sun, Sep 16, 2007, at 1:42 PM
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You know, it seems everyone who "believes" has faith and believes blindly in something that has no fact. I look out my window and see alot of beauty but it doesn't make me "believe" that some other being has placed it here for me.
Hell, I believe Stargate has more fact then the Bible and I know Stargate is pure fictional.
-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Tue, Sep 18, 2007, at 7:38 AM
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It is not the word of god, its the word of a few evil men.
-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Thu, Mar 13, 2008, at 9:09 PM
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Moses and Jacob were told by God:). Don't think God told them. they were hearing voices.
-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Fri, Mar 14, 2008, at 9:34 AM
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And as for the comment above, are you saying I am stronger than evil because I am more evil than evil itself? Not sure if I should thank you or not. For, I am Evil Monkey!... Muhahahaa!
-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 12:38 AM
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I could go on and on, but it seems the "WORD OF GOD" is merely a tool used by the church to control their Sheeple.
-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Fri, Sep 21, 2007, at 12:59 AM
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I do not need forgiveness at all. I have done nothing wrong. You need some serious mental help. You have lost your frigging mind.
-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Tue, Feb 12, 2008, at 7:20 AM
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Faith can only go so far, sometimes you really need to use your conscience. A book cannot tell you what is right or wrong. Neither can God or Jesus because they are not here.
-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Fri, Feb 22, 2008, at 12:47 AM
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Devan,
You are the sheeple that has been decieved. You have never proved one point to me that anything you have stated was true. I, on the other hand, have shown documented proof that the bible has been so decimated into rubbish that you can't even imagine.
And if you feel I am a liar, I can handle that, because the everyone I know, has a brain. The everyone you know, is brainwashed. Now if you want to discuss this face to face, I am willing to do it anytime, anyday. Oh and bring a copy of your College transcripts, I would like to compare them to mine.
-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Sun, Jan 27, 2008, at 1:50 AM
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Your faith, grace of god and death of jesus has nothing to do with you being saved.
Posted by Evil Monkey on Tue, Mar 11, 2008, at 12:38 AM
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As for my opinions and my beliefs, I have plenty of opinions and I have no beliefs (faith) in anything but myself. There is no one shred of evidence that could sway me otherwise because what I have heard on these blogs is pure horsecrap about churches, Faith and how the word of god is the true thing.
-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Wed, Sep 26, 2007, at 11:11 PM
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And finally, I do NOT believe the Bible as the Word of God as it was written by MAN. If it was written by God, it would be in my HEAD and I would be able to bring that knowledge forth anytime I needed to make a decision... Oh wait I do have that, its called a conscience!
-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Sun, Mar 9, 2008, at 6:09 PM
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These are the type comments that could help Satan retain control over his stock and prevent them from trusting in Jesus and His plan of salvation referenced in the Bible.
As I said earlier you can only attempt to destroy my earthly work. That is trivial even if you succeeded.
What I worry about is a young person falling by the wayside after conseidering your comments. That is serious even if you fail.
pbros,
I think you have someone else confused. You clearly have no idea what I believe and honestly, that isn't for you to know.
Regarding any for me to consider, When I saw what you guys were referring to, I IMMEDIATELY apologized seeing my error. I went out of my way to ask for forgiveness with an explanation as to why it was posted. So I don't need a sermon about it.
I don't know why you have gone off on a tangent about the Bible and what you think I feel about it, but to say my statements are true or not is completely unwarranted.
If I may... I have a question I wouldn't mind input on.
Do you think that changes come in your life and you are moved to a certain place because it's God's plan... or do you think we, as humans, something place ourselves on a different course and then God redeems that choice and uses it for His plan?
Of course, I KNOW that everything that happens is part of God's plan, but I also believe that we are all free to choose our course and even if it wasn't what God "would have planned for us", He can still use it.
Clear as mud? :)
So I guess I should apologize to pbros too, because it shouldn't have been directed to him as well. Therefore I do apologize for that, as well.
Posted by Evil Monkey on Sun, Jan 25, 2009, at 6:46 PM
Evil Monkey,
Quite naturally, you are forgiven by me and it is forgotten. Only you could you make it be remembered by committing it again it the future. God has the ability to permanantly forget. I fall short in that area also.
I do wish you would consider something. The worse you could damage me is trivial when compared to the damage that could be incurred by someone your statements convince to believe the Bible is a fairy tale which is significant.
Your statements directed at me could only possibly destroy what I have worked for here on earth which is the trivial.
Your statements directed at the Bible could possibly lead to destruction of an eternal soul which is the significant.
What you have done to me is trivial. What you are doing to the plan of salvation and the sacrafice is significant.
I pray also that you will likewise properly take heed to that warning.
Even an unknown precious soul is a terrible thing to waste.
Exactly, that is my point, that burden is lifted from that person that has sinned. If the person doesn't forgive that is between God and them.
Then when you pray to God, he sees your sincerity. Now to pray to God first for the strength to ask for forgiveness is warranted but to pray for forgiveness first doesn't make much sense if you haven't asked that person for forgiveness. Basically I think you learn more from doing it the hard way.
-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Sun, Jan 25, 2009, at 7:49 PM
Thank you for expounding on that for me!
Thanks devan, confirms my feelings.
Mat 5:23 "This is how I want you to conduct yourself in these matters. If you enter your place of worship and, about to make an offering, you suddenly remember a grudge a friend has against you,
Mat 5:24 abandon your offering, leave immediately, go to this friend and make things right. Then and only then, come back and work things out with God.
The Message
God is our example for giving and receiving forgiveness. He not only forgives, He forgets! If only we had that same ability!!! Too often we ask AND give forgiveness, but we hold onto the guilt or the hurt and let it continue to control or fester in our lives. May we all examine our hearts to see if that is the case, and then truly lay it down at the foot of the cross and walk away without it! Tim McGraw has a song out called "Let it Go"... yes, I know it's not a traditional "church song", but it is truly a picture of letting Christ 'wash it away'.
"I have always tried to ask forgiveness from anyone I have hurt, intentionally or unintentionally. But those people are not going to ensure my home on high."
Exactly, that is my point, that burden is lifted from that person that has sinned. If the person doesn't forgive that is between God and them.
Then when you pray to God, he sees your sincerity. Now to pray to God first for the strength to ask for forgiveness is warranted but to pray for forgiveness first doesn't make much sense if you haven't asked that person for forgiveness. Basically I think you learn more from doing it the hard way.
"You ask the person you sinned against for forgiveness, then do not do it again. Why would someone ask God for forgiveness? Now the person my pray for the strength to ask the person for forgiveness but the person is the one that is the one hurt not God. This allows me to believe how Jesus would react." - posted by EvilMonkey
I have always tried to ask forgiveness from anyone I have hurt, intentionally or unintentionally. But those people are not going to ensure my home on high. I have always been taught to pray and ask God for forgiveness. Now you tell me I have wasted all that time praying? (yes i have had my moments where i needed to pray alot!!! lol) Please explain your reasoning behind this theory so I might better understand. It would be appreciated.
You are forgiven.
bcpwoman,
You ask the person you sinned against for forgiveness, then do not do it again. Why would someone ask God for forgiveness? Now the person my pray for the strength to ask the person for forgiveness but the person is the one that is the one hurt not God. This allows me to believe how Jesus would react.
Michael,
"Well this is coming from a man that cheated on his wife, and another man that has more lawsuits then I care to even count. Does this sound like two people that are Christians?"
Oh ok, this is definately not what I wanted to say in the least, Michael I am so sorry this was not intended for this blog post at all. I was copying and pasting text from notepad to several sites and this was not supposed to go on this site, but it does look like I was eluding to you. Which I was not. Again, I apologize.
The article I was writing was about men that cheat on their wife, it was related to a man in Pennsylvania that cheated on his wife and she divorced him. She wrote her story on a website; that webiste was sued by the man. The owner of the website and the comments made were protected under a 1996 Federal law. It turned out this man has had many lawsuits filed by women whom he has married. Which I was going to copy and paste to that site.
So I guess I should apologize to pbros too, because it shouldn't have been directed to him as well. Therefore I do apologize for that, as well.
Btw the name of the website is Don't Date Him Girl and the Article is on Hellotn.com
EvilMonkey,
If that is not how forgiveness works, please enlighten. I have been mislead my entire life if that is the case!
Well this is coming from a man that cheated on his wife, and another man that has more lawsuits then I care to even count. Does this sound like two people that are Christians?
-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Sun, Jan 25, 2009, at 12:11 AM
This is the post you made on the blog "He Had a Dream".
This is what Michael is asking you about.
I have done nothing to them, I have merely asked questions for over a year and they have never answered them. Instead when I have asked them important and thoughtful questions. They just spew, YOU DON'T HAVE FAITH!. That is all they can say. Heh. Well this is coming from a man that cheated on his wife, and another man that has more lawsuits then I care to even count. Does this sound like two people that are Christians?
-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Sun, Jan 25, 2009, at 12:11 AM
refresh your memory?
No Evil Monkey you mentioned both infidelity and lawsuits at the same time in another blog.
lawsuits? I never mentioned that, pbros did.
you mentioned lawsuits an infidelity, just seeing who was being accused of being unfaithful
And whom did I accuse?
answer my question on the accusation you made earlier.
Michael,
I Know that is how forgiveness does not work.
pbrothers,
I know that the trinity is NOT in the Bible, I know it is a Catholic notion that was written by man.
Happy Michael
belief does not make it true, belief is just a notion of what you want to believe.
I see you said you don't think, so you don't know for sure.
If I did somebody wrong and asked their forgiveness and thy would not forgive, then is their burden to bear , not mine.
If you are trying to say that I need to ask you to forgive me for something, please explain.
As far as the Trinity goes, I have heard 3 in 1 and 1 in 3.
I tend to believe God the Father Jesus the Son and the Holy Spirit is the indwelling of both.
The God Family.
pbros,
Sorry, I just don't think that answers the question at all. Faith is the answer to the trinity? A Catholic notion that was written by men is the answer to Faith?
Michael,
I don't think that is how forgiveness works.
"The season is here that Jesus spoke of. Even Jesus does not know the day but He said we should see the season.
-- Posted by parkerbrothers on Sat, Jan 24, 2009, at 3:36 PM "
How can Jesus not know if he is God? I thought you believe in the Trinity?
-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Sun, Jan 25, 2009, at 12:07 AM
Evil Monkey,
We would have to totally understand the mystery of the "Trinity" to understand that. Some things we have to accept by Faith.
If He revealed all of everything to us with His Word, faith would be useless.
I remember a time when I wished it required something instead of Faith. I wanted salvation to be based on accomplishing a set of working tasks. Looking back I believe it was none other than Satan himself tempting me with such thoughts.
Today though, I am glad that faith in the Faith of Christ himself is sufficient. Once I finally accepted He had done it all for us and our work was not required I was able to allow Love to enter into my heart and for the very first time in my life serve God out of Love and not Duty.
Paul wrote a letter to the Galations that should have provided them with Peace and Joy. I have to assume it provided them this because it does me today.
Galations 2
16Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
It is Faith to Faith.
Faith in His Faith.
It is a free gift made available to each and everyone of us. I've accepted it and hope everyone chooses to partake of the precious gift.
Open the box. It is full of Peace and Joy.
First you forgive yourself, then ask God for forgiveness, then the person you sinned against.
God will forgive you must forgive yourself, whether the other person forgives or not is up to them.
Just who were you meaning when you made the remark about cheating on his wife?
First you forgive yourself, then ask God for forgiveness, then the person you sinned against.
God will forgive you must forgive yourself, whether the other person forgives or not is up yo them.
Just who were you meaning when you made the remark about cheating on his wife?
The antidote it to ask for forgiveness against the person you sinned; NOT ask God for forgiveness, that is too easy. There is no motivation for redemption then.
Never claimed to be a Christian.. On the other hand, your two defendants claim to be the holiest of the holy on these blogs, and if you simply archived the thousands of comments of condemnation from your two sinless victims you'd understand that your little fairy tale doesn't apply to me.
-- Posted by nascarfanatic on Sun, Jan 25, 2009, at 12:06 AM
I have never claimed to be even "Holy", let alone claimed to be "holiest of the holy". I have not seen Michael lay hold to that claim either.
Unfortunately you seem to only be able to read what you want to see. My claim is that I am a sinner and thankfully that is the only thing Christ came to save.
I have never by purpose tried to condemn anyone. I have only tried to convey that we are all sinners, what the consequences of our sins are, and what the antidote is.
There is nothing I can judge since we have all been previously judged and declared sinners. The only question remaining is whether we possess the antidote. Thankfully only God can look into the heart and know if it is pumping through our hearts. That is the judgement and I am no judge.
That is the "mystery hid in God".
Never claimed to be a Christian.. On the other hand, your two defendants claim to be the holiest of the holy on these blogs, and if you simply archived the thousands of comments of condemnation from your two sinless victims you'd understand that your little fairy tale doesn't apply to me.
-- Posted by nascarfanatic on Sun, Jan 25, 2009, at 12:06 AM
OK. For the record, I personally don't know the parkerbrothers. I have heard of the event that surrounds them but it is not my place to judge whether or not they are guilty. After all that has been said here though, I feel I might need to make it a point to introduce myself to them. See who these 'sinless victims' truly are. I just wonder what they did to you to make you have such contempt for them. Fairy Tale? What fairy tale are you referring to? The one where I think there is still good in this world? I see it everytime I look at my family. And yes, I know there is still alot of evil in this world. Witness it every time I have to go to court over child support. But I still have hope for tomorrow. I guess that's what makes you and I different.
bcpwoman,
I couldn't agree with you more.
"The season is here that Jesus spoke of. Even Jesus does not know the day but He said we should see the season.
-- Posted by parkerbrothers on Sat, Jan 24, 2009, at 3:36 PM "
How can Jesus not know if he is God? I thought you believe in the Trinity?
You know, I always try to see the good in other people. Sometimes this is to my detriment. To err is human. Let he who hath no sin cast the first stone. Are you that Christlike that you feel justified making these comments?
-- Posted by bcpwoman on Sat, Jan 24, 2009, at 4:54 PM
Never claimed to be a Christian.. On the other hand, your two defendants claim to be the holiest of the holy on these blogs, and if you simply archived the thousands of comments of condemnation from your two sinless victims you'd understand that your little fairy tale doesn't apply to me.
bcpwoman,
Maybe you should address all concerned instead of one person. Just cause they talk about Christ and the Bible doesn't mean they walk the same road or they have good intentions.
-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Sat, Jan 24, 2009, at 7:59 PM
I only address those who address me first. I feel that is fair. Otherwise I have addressed all concerned unless it was to ask a question as I did you. I do not think my text was out of line.
I do agree with you. Not everyone who discusses Christ or the Bible follow those teachings. I do think that's a major issue here though. People are to quick to judge others and in times like these, when the world seems to be falling down around us, we should be worried about pulling together instead of pushing away.
bcpwoman,
Maybe you should address all concerned instead of one person. Just cause they talk about Christ and the Bible doesn't mean they walk the same road or they have good intentions.
Funny your first words are judge not, yet you condone such behavior from the joker and his side kick.
-- Posted by nascarfanatic on Sat, Jan 24, 2009, at 11:07 AM
You know, I always try to see the good in other people. Sometimes this is to my detriment. To err is human. Let he who hath no sin cast the first stone. Are you that Christlike that you feel justified making these comments?
The season is here that Jesus spoke of. Even Jesus does not know the day but He said we should see the season.
And what a season it will be!
michael,
I don't put much credence in the fox News link story but I do find the http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/com... link story quite interesting.
The preparations for the one world order and the rebuilding of the temple are two things that are ripe for the season.
I thought I would post this, uncanny timing isn't it.
I am not saying it is, or isn't.
http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video08.ht...
http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/com...
Seems like everyone wants to go in a new direction.
If anyone needed any more proof in the new direction we are heading this should help explain.
As for me I choose the old paths. Jer.6:16
Evil Monkey,
To help you better understand the Biblical meaning of the word "judge" let me ask you to consider this.
Telling someone that adultery is wrong and a sin is not "judging".
Telling someone they are an adultress is "judging".
Judge not! God forgives all who believe or did he let his Son die on the cross for the fun of it? Has it been changed to 'Guilty until proven innocent'?
-- Posted by bcpwoman on Sat, Jan 24, 2009, at 6:46 AM
Funny your first words are judge not, yet you condone such behavior from the joker and his side kick.
-- Posted by nascarfanatic on Sat, Jan 24, 2009, at 11:07 AM
Evil Monkey,
Perhaps she might know the biblical meaning of the word judge and realize the difference between judging and discerning sin?
I would guess she also knows sin come from within the heart.
The heart has to be judged and no one is capable of judging our heart but God Himself.
I can tell you the meaning of a sin such as adultery but I can not judge whether it is in someones' heart or not. I have never claimed that ability.
I do not even judge my heart. I also will leave that up to God. Even if I could judge, my judgement would be worthless and meaningless.
Judge not! God forgives all who believe or did he let his Son die on the cross for the fun of it? Has it been changed to 'Guilty until proven innocent'?
-- Posted by bcpwoman on Sat, Jan 24, 2009, at 6:46 AM
Funny your first words are judge not, yet you condone such behavior from the joker and his side kick.
AMEN!
bcpwoman,
I look forward to it. It will finally be the time that we are looked upon only by the content of our heart instead of other trivial things such as what we wear or what tint our skin is or who our parents were.
That is a day like Martin Luther King was describing. He did have a beautiful dream that "WILL" be fulfilled. I honestly believe his dream is about to become reality.
"It is indeed hard to learn anything in the enviroment you described. Maybe things would be better today if we still had "church" in each of our warm homes instead of the big "buildings".
Christ could have whipped up a big ole building at the snap of a finger but he did not see the need for it. I think he had a different meaning for the word "church".
The "church" is not a dead building. It is a beautiful body of precious souls.
One good thing to keep in mind. There will be a day when it does not matter what you wear, how much money you have or what color our skin is.
I personally believe that great day is soon to be delivered. What a glorious day that will be. I hope you look forward in joyful anticipation of it."
-- Posted by parkerbrothers on Fri, Jan 23, 2009, at 7:24 AM
Yes, gentlemen, I am looking forward to it!! Best thing I have read in days!
"You really act like that is the worst thing possible yet we ALL know what you allegedly did. When do you ever look in the mirror and think, maybe if I lived what I preached people would actually believe what I say/type... Instead, nobody takes you seriously parkerbrothers because the worst thing you can do is SAY you are a Christian, and live absolutely nothing like one. Actions speak louder than words, and you sure type alot."
-- Posted by nascarfanatic on Fri, Jan 23, 2009, at 9:42 PM
Judge not! God forgives all who believe or did he let his Son die on the cross for the fun of it? Has it been changed to 'Guilty until proven innocent'?
haha, you really think only 1 person thinks you are an idiot? You honestly believe I have that much time to sit here and devote TO YOU? Please, go tell those people over at Chapel Hill how you destroyed their lives because you knowingly built that subdivision on a fault line.
Instead, nobody takes you seriously parkerbrothers because the worst thing you can do is SAY you are a Christian, and live absolutely nothing like one.
Posted by nascarfanatic on Fri, Jan 23, 2009, at 9:42 PM
Evil Monkey,
Anyone who "knows' me, knows what I am.
I am sorry you do not know me but that is just the way it is.
No boubt, your belief in me is like your belief in the Bible. Actually, I am a Christian as much as the Bible is the inspired word of God.
You believe neither of the two.
But as usual, I must admit, that is your "choice".
EM,
What makes you want to carry on as such with a man.
-- Posted by parkerbrothers on Fri, Jan 23, 2009, at 8:52 PM
You really act like that is the worst thing possible yet we ALL know what you allegedly did. When do you ever look in the mirror and think, maybe if I lived what I preached people would actually believe what I say/type... Instead, nobody takes you seriously parkerbrothers because the worst thing you can do is SAY you are a Christian, and live absolutely nothing like one. Actions speak louder than words, and you sure type alot.
Sorry EM. I forget which of your personas I am addressing. It is hard to get used to which alias you are using sometimes. :))
Nice, how Christian of you, parkerbrothers. What are you talking about?
You are a delusional waste hole orifice. What a waste it is that you squander your talents on your own ego.
-- Posted by Chef Boy R.D. on Fri, Jan 23, 2009, at 7:05 PM
EM,
What makes you want to carry on as such with a man.
You are a delusional waste hole orifice. What a waste it is that you squander your talents on your own ego.
-- Posted by Chef Boy R.D. on Fri, Jan 23, 2009, at 7:05 PM
EM,
What makes you want to carry on as such.
Lost somewhere in your mind I suppose.
What are my so- called talents? Where should I squander them?
I don't have an ego , thank you.
You are a delusional waste hole orifice. What a waste it is that you squander your talents on your own ego.
I did not say that, I have set under some fine men of God in my life as a child and as adult. Roger Waggoner, Rick Stevens, Jay Pope and Lamar Dotson to name some around here recently.
As a child for over 15 years it was Carl Russell out of Manchester.
I have watched the likes of John Haggee, Perry Stone, Rod Parsley, Jack Van Impe, Gene Scott,and Jimmy Swaggart to name a few.
Listening to them and taking whatever course they offered and following along in the Word put the desire in me.
The desire is so strong that I can't set under the same one for a long time for I have so much to add and out of respect for the Pastor in charge I would not.
I feel that I can bring something to the table, take things in a new direction without losing sight of the old.
I as a student learned all the teachers could teach me, now I want to pass it on to future generations.
I still love to sit under some great men of God, and will invite them to Crossroads to let people know that there are some people in agreement on the bible and things of God.
So no other man is worthy to lead you in study?
With God as a instructor, who needs mans opinion?
Only Christians would go to a Christian councilor,if they can't take the Bible's answers then were not serious about counseling.
All the answers are in the book, no drugs required.
http://www.gotquestions.org/called-to-pr...
I have all I need and that is the burning desire!
I thought the topic was the proper training of a preacher?
-- Posted by parkerbrothers on Fri, Jan 23, 2009, at 2:25 PM
Exactly. How can one be trained when they seek no formal education? Ministry is not unlike any other field of work. Proper training is needed to be able to do the work. Mr Bell has already stated that he has no formal training, no experience doing pulpit work, or conseling others. I noticed you(future Felony Bros.) picked and experienced lawyer to handle your case. Why not do it yourself? That's how Mr Bell operates. Think of the money you would save on legal fees.
Stargate makes more sense than the Good Book NOW because man hasn't had as many years to interfere with its canon.
One could still narrow it down to this premise:
Folks can have one of two beings living inside them.
One would take them by force or deception and erase every part of their individual spirit (unless it desired to exploit or torment them).
One will only bond to a willing,aware person who retains control of his own being.
This latter being will sacrifice his own agenda rather than harm or enslave his host.
One seeks domination and self-glory.
The other utilizes less powerful beings to battle its enemies and reach its goals but it insists on a symbiotic relationship that gives more power,freedom and depth of living than its partner would have otherwise.
With Stargate,it's still pretty much Go'ald vs. Tok'ra.
(The Ori,Wraith,replicators,etc. come on later.)
Stargate assumes that if you've gotta share your life with another conciousness,it's better if the one calling the shots actually LIKES and respects you and wants you to thrive as yourself and not as a pawn or slave.
The Bible has pretty much the same message.
It's just had a few thousand more years to go from its Creator's original script to Wormhole X-treme fanfic.
The nice thing about a good mythology is that the more truth it has as its foundation,the harder it is for humans (or any other species) to screw it up.
It's too soon to tell if the Stargate universe will become truly mythic but the Bible has precisely because it has a reality that goes beyond the limits of fact or fiction.
When examining either the made-up or actual dventure,one might do well to remember that if a person doesn't elect to team up with the good guys,the tyrants will make all the choices for everyone.
I have the best study guide there is. The Bible!
A poorly trained doctor can kill you.
Posted by Chef Boy R.D. on Fri, Jan 23, 2009, at 2:00 PM
Chef Boy,
A well trained doctor can kill you also.
I thought the topic was the proper training of a preacher?
Sorry on the incorrect spelling there. I do not think you will will die from my incompetence. A poorly trained doctor can kill you. Did you pick a poor lawyer to try and keep you out of the pokey. One would think not.
Been studying God for 28 years
Posted by Evil Monkey on Fri, Jan 23, 2009, at 1:09 PM
Evil Monkey,
At what point did you come to the conclusion that Stargate was more beleivable than the Bible? I do not mean to offend you by asking. I am just curious. Your opinions are just as valuable as anyones. Just because I do not have the same opinion as you does not devalue your opinion.
bcpwoman,
Been studying God for 28 years, There are so much, it would take a lifetime. The basic need to know there is more out there is part of our genetic makeup, it is a part of who we are. When "hypocrites" don't realize this and blindly follow without question, that is when things get messy. Jesus wants us to question things, he loved getting questions and never avoided them. He just hated to repeat himself over and over again because "hypocrites" don't want to listen.
Call me sometime at 931-536-1279 if you want to chat. Hard to keep monitoring stuff online.
Put your trust in me or no man, But Jesus only!
You trust teachers to teach your children.
All a preacher, pastor is that he is a person called to help guide and teach from life experience.
He reads from the same bible as you have, I assume you have one.
Chef Boy R.D.,
Trust your soul to the One who is always right.
A preacher can not save us. Only the trust in Christ can save us. It is His finished work that will save us, not our never finishable work.
The Love of His Finished Work will produce the Fruits of the Spirit in us.
I just had a thought this morning while peeling potatos. Would one go to a doctor who has no formal training? Would you get someone get a person to do electrical work that has no training on how to do it? Mr Bell claims to be self-taught on biblical matters. Who decides on your curriculum? Do you pick and choose your materials to study? Who decides if you are right or wrong? You say you study many types of doctrine. Do you study the Koran as well? Hebrew texts?
Posted by Chef Boy R.D. on Fri, Jan 23, 2009, at 11:03 AM
Chef,
You make me wonder, Did you get formal training and a degree to cook the potatoes you were peeling?
Does the fact you could not correctly spell potatoes have anything to do with your ability to cook the potatoes?
I doubt it would. You are probably a great cook and might never have had any formal training or degree. Some of the bests cooks I have seen could neither read nor write.
Same with preachers. Even a blind can preach if he is called. With God all things are possible. Both for you and even me.
So you want me to trust my soul to you, hoping you are right.
Well first off, when you go to any kind of a medical professional for service, he has to have some formal training, because the he chose the profession, the profession did not choose him.
Doctors, lawyers electricians or whatever profession some goes in gets the "basic" training but continue to "practice "their craft.
My materials that I study are the bible[duh!]
I study with Men of God who have years of service for the Lord.
I have access to the Hebrew scriptures, I have read the Koran,don't care for it.
The change in my life is my curriculum, and the lives of the ones who worship with me.
I have my basic doctrines which are infallible because the entire faith and validity of the Christ doctrine is based on it.
The resurrection is the root of my faith!
The rest of the curriculum and materials will be voted on and as long as they line up with the bible will be used.
If I was conducting a church service and someone started going around washing feet or laying hands on people would I stop it?
The answer is no! That is when the Spirit is in action, there will be a order to things, but it won't be choreographed or end right on 12:00 noon or whatever time.
Nothing bothers me more than to be in church and people start closing their bible and shuffling around just because the clock reads 11:55
When God says it is over then it is over.
Besides my dad has had no formal training in mechanics, plumbing, electrical, carpentry trades, but I would not ask anyone else to fix my problems.
He learned by doing, I will learn by doing the work of God for he chose me.
I just had a thought this morning while peeling potatos. Would one go to a doctor who has no formal training? Would you get someone get a person to do electrical work that has no training on how to do it? Mr Bell claims to be self-taught on biblical matters. Who decides on your curriculum? Do you pick and choose your materials to study? Who decides if you are right or wrong? You say you study many types of doctrine. Do you study the Koran as well? Hebrew texts?
yeah battles are rough when you need to use a car as a weapon to thwart your opponents.
Keep telling lies about other people, God will judge you accordingly. Remember you can't ask him forgiveness because it doesn't say that in the Bible, it says Ask for Forgiveness.
The battles are rough but His victory is sweet.
I am just glad He guides me back to the correct corner (His corner) when the enemy (Satan) pounces on me.
I will stay in Marvin's corner, he has read the back of the book , as have I and we know who wins in the end
I consider it an honor to be in the corner with Evil Monkey and will do so any day of the week, I have learned more from him on these blogs that I have from anyone else. I <3 Evil Monkey :)
-- Posted by Disturbia on Thu, Jan 22, 2009, at 10:21 PM
Disturbia,
I agree with you. I believe you have learned more from Evil Monkey than anyone else.
Evil monkey has said that Stargate is more believable than the Bible.
On another blog you mentioned that "God won't be judging me no more than Zeus himself will be."
I hope you are right but I would hate to see you be wrong.
I wish both you and Evil Monkey could see the light and joy of the Good News.
bcpwoman,
It is indeed hard to learn anything in the enviroment you described. Maybe things would be better today if we still had "church" in each of our warm homes instead of the big "buildings".
Christ could have whipped up a big ole building at the snap of a finger but he did not see the need for it. I think he had a different meaning for the word "church".
The "church" is not a dead building. It is a beautiful body of precious souls.
One good thing to keep in mind. There will be a day when it does not matter what you wear, how much money you have or what color our skin is.
I personally believe that great day is soon to be delivered. What a glorious day that will be. I hope you look forward in joyful anticipation of it.
EvilMonkey,
You seem to have a vast knowledge of the Bible and it peaked my interest. I attended church for many years as well. I don't attend now because I basically got tired of looking for a church family who didn't care what you showed up in or how much money you had, just as long as you were there and willing to learn more about living a christian life.
bcpwoman,
For many many years, You? If you mean currently, No, my business does not allow it because I do all my server maintainance at early morning times. Why do you ask?
Chef Boy,
Hehe.
Disturbia,
I need your help on an idea if you could email me, I would greatly appreciate it. Something came up tonight that would interest you.
What a fun group this is. In one corner we have Mr Bell and the Felony Brothers. In the other corner we have Evil Monkey and Disturbia. I just love to watch the fireworks!
-- Posted by Chef Boy R.D. on Thu, Jan 22, 2009, at 9:19 PM
I consider it an honor to be in the corner with Evil Monkey and will do so any day of the week, I have learned more from him on these blogs that I have from anyone else. I <3 Evil Monkey :)
Just a question.....EvilMonkey, do you attend church?
Devan,
Sure, you wanna invest in it? Not sure if I would go the Wiki route. There are better alternatives.
-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Thu, Jan 22, 2009, at 6:33 PM
Naw, I still have plenty of reading in the best selling edition to keep me busy.
What a fun group this is. In one corner we have Mr Bell and the Felony Brothers. In the other corner we have Evil Monkey and Disturbia. I just love to watch the fireworks!
darrick_04,
I think He has purposed enough for you to know better.
Maybe He thought if we don't receive the message in what He has inspired, we wouldn't see the light if He inspired more.
27Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:
28For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.
29Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
30And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
31And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
We have been given even more light than Moses and the prophets. Still some of us will remain in disbelief.
I suppose there will be groups who want to take out all the parts that offend them like the following.
PETA- all verses about animal sacrificing
Witches and Wiccans- for all verses on withcraft.
Homosexuals- all verses that go against their agenda.
I could go on , but you should get the point.
If people are supposed to be born with a so-called disposition to be a certain way therefore they can't help the way they are then should we punish the following?
Murderers, thieves,arsonist, child beaters, liars, rapist, abortionist, whoremongers,adulterers,fornicators, druggies, alcoholics, pedophiles,bestiality, need I go on?
This so -called pre -disposition is a crock, it is all about choices, and the ones we make, I don't always make the right ones, but I did make THE RIGHT ONE AND THE ONE IS JESUS CHRIST!
If the Bible only had one book and that book was Romans or one verse and that verse was John3:16 That would be enough for me.
Some of you can't even handle the book we got now, and you want to add more?
I got it, take all those "lost books" and start your own Religion call it EVILMONKEYISM.
You may need to add a book and call it "The gospel according to evilmonkey.
Then we will see if people years from now find some "lost books"
Like the book of??? No, I won't go there, you figure it out.
Really... I guess that's why God doesn't write books anymore huh? Because he probably assumed what is the point in writing tens of thousands of pages, if humans are going to shred what the don't want to see, and piece together what they do.
darrick_04,
It is complete enough to understand the message.
Both the Bad News and the Good News.
The Good News would not be as good as it is if the Bad News was not as bad as it was?
Actually I think if God wanted it more complete it would be more complete. If He wanted it less complete it would be less complete.
Can any man hold back the desires of God?
Seems you know about evil than most eh?
-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Thu, Jan 22, 2009, at 6:33 PM
Evil Monkey,
I think anyone who reads the Bible and takes it seriously will learn a lot about evil (and the consequences of it).
I think anyone who reads the Bible and takes it seriously will learn about the Great Sacrafice that was made as the remedy of its effects on all mankind.
Let's put it this way... If the crust, sugar, flour, and oven are missing, you won't get a complete pie... or anything even resembling a pie... nor would anyone telling you it is complete make you believe it. So, since the Bible seems to be missing more books than it currently has in total, you don't have the complete book, or anything resembling a complete book, nor would anyone telling me it is complete make me believe it.
Evil Monkey,
Just trying to get you to see that the mere mentioning of a book does not require it to be canonized.
parkerbrothers,
Why do you always mention the absurb? From duct-taped hamsters anal inserted to Playboy magazine to bestiality... you seem to look for the perverse things in life. Seems you know about evil than most eh?
So, something clearly mentioned in the Bible shouldn't be in the Bible? Just cause Paul mentions idolatry worship doesn't mean homosexuality is wrong.
18 Many of those who believed now came and openly confessed their evil deeds.
19 A number who had practiced sorcery brought their scrolls together and burned them publicly. When they calculated the value of the scrolls, the total came to fifty thousand drachmas.
20 In this way the word of the Lord spread widely and grew in power.
So How is that related to the Books mentioned in the Bible? Really grasping for the straws.
Devan,
Sure, you wanna invest in it? Not sure if I would go the Wiki route. There are better alternatives.
IF THE BIBLE IS REFERRING TO BOOKS THAT ARE SHOULD BE IN THE BIBLE THEN SOMETHING IS CLEARLY MISSING.
Posted by Evil Monkey on Thu, Jan 22, 2009, at 10:58 AM
Evil Monkey,
The mere mentioning of a book in the Bible does not merit inclusion into it. If Paul had mentioned Playboy to John would you want it included in the canon?
Act 19
18And many that believed came, and confessed, and shewed their deeds.
19Many of them also which used curious arts brought their books together, and burned them before all men: and they counted the price of them, and found it fifty thousand pieces of silver.
20So mightily grew the word of God and prevailed.
Not all books used by early Christians make it into the canon.
Good comment, bcpwoman! I couldn't agree more.
As a reader and not much of a responder to these blogs, I have observed a pattern here. It seems to be the same individuals everytime that have hateful things to say. It is the same individuals that love to disagree no matter what the subject content is. These are blogs, in other words....opinions! Quick attacking over what someone thinks. Sure, I don't agree with other people either, but I'm not going to attack them with my words or anything else for the matter because I don't agree with them. Our tongue is powerful and it can cause hurt and pain. The Bible refers it to a two-edged sword. Some of you should think about this before you release a crude comment.
These are the kinds of laws that will never allow for equality, and will continue to cause hate.
that law is not saying we are not all equal under the law, it is saying that NOT ALL CRIMES are equal under the law. If I go out and purposely beat or kill only members of a specific race, religion or color, it is because I hate them and they are different that what I think they should be so it is a hate crime. When a man or woman catch their respective spouse in bed with another man/woman, they call it a "crime of passion" and they get off with Involuntary manslaughter and serve 5 to 10 years. SO yes there is a difference in crimes in the eyes of the law. Targeting and beating a specific group because you HATE them is a HATE crime.
THAT IS LEGISLATION THAT PREVENTS CRIMES BEING COMMITTED AGAINST ANYONE BECAUSE OF RACE, COLOR, RELIGION, NATIONAL ORIGIN and SO ON. Posted by Disturbia on Thu, Jan 22, 2009, at 12:39 PM
So if a person kills someone that is the same race, color, religion or national origin they are commiting the crime out of love, and the same level of justice is not required. But, if someone kills someone who is of a different race, color, religion, national origin, they committed the crime out of hate, and should recieve a stiffer penalty. Ohhhh....I get it, we are not all equal under the law.
In response to Mr. Bell's link to the facebook article....
President Obama and Vice President Biden believe that we owe it to the American public to explore the potential of stem cells to treat the millions of people suffering from debilitating and life-threatening diseases.......ALL FOR IT, IF IT WAS YOU OR YOUR CHILD YOU WOULD WANT TO FIND A CURE AS WELL WOULDN"T YOU????
Preventing Unintended Pregnancy: President Obama was an original co-sponsor of legislation to expand access to contraception, health information, and preventive services to help reduce unintended pregnancies. Introduced in January 2007, the Prevention First Act will increase funding for family planning and comprehensive sex education that teaches both abstinence and safe sex methods. The Act will also end insurance discrimination against contraception, improve awareness about emergency contraception, and provide compassionate assistance to rape victims.
OH NO...STOPPING UNWANTED PREGNANCIES BY EDUCATING AND PROVIDING COMPASSIONATE ASSISTANCE TO RAPE VICTIMS??? HOW DARE HE??? (sarcasm inserted)
Expand Hate Crimes Statutes: In 2004, crimes against LGBT Americans constituted the third-highest category of hate crime reported and made up more than 15 percent of such crimes. President Obama cosponsored legislation that would expand federal jurisdiction to include violent hate crimes perpetrated because of race, color, religion, national origin, sexual orientation, gender identity, or physical disability. As a state senator, President Obama passed tough legislation that made hate crimes and conspiracy to commit them against the law.
THAT IS LEGISLATION THAT PREVENTS CRIMES BEING COMMITTED AGAINST ANYONE BECAUSE OF RACE, COLOR, RELIGION, NATIONAL ORIGIN and SO ON....MUCH NEEDED I MAY ADD...would you want to be beaten because you are a christian, what if some people decided to go on a "christian beating spree", isn't that a hate crime? YEP cause they are doing it out of HATE and you would want them to be prosecuted for it, am I correct??
Promote AIDS Prevention: In the first year of his presidency, President Obama will develop and begin to implement a comprehensive national HIV/AIDS strategy that includes all federal agencies. The strategy will be designed to reduce HIV infections, increase access to care and reduce HIV-related health disparities. The President will support common sense approaches including age-appropriate sex education that includes information about contraception, combating infection within our prison population through education and contraception, and distributing contraceptives through our public health system. The President also supports lifting the federal ban on needle exchange, which could dramatically reduce rates of infection among drug users. President Obama has also been willing to confront the stigma -- too often tied to homophobia -- that continues to surround HIV/AIDS.
# Empower Women to Prevent HIV/AIDS: In the United States, the percentage of women diagnosed with AIDS has quadrupled over the last 20 years. Today, women account for more than one quarter of all new HIV/AIDS diagnoses. President Obama introduced the Microbicide Development Act, which will accelerate the development of products that empower women in the battle against AIDS. Microbicides are a class of products currently under development that women apply topically to prevent transmission of HIV and other infections.
OH NO...HE WANTS TO STOP THE SPREAD OF AIDS AND HIV..HOW DARE HE??? (sarcasm once again) I could go on and on and on with the list you have linked me too but I won't. It's ridiculous, you think he is a bad man because he wants to end discrimination and help stop AIDS and maybe find a cure for some untreatable diseases and paralysis. Once again, seriously, either stop harping on gays or come out of the closet already!!!! They aren't bothering you, they aren't asking for anything other than EQUALITY!! Which I do believe is their GOD GIVEN RIGHT!! EQUALITY FOR ALL OR EQUALITY FOR NONE!!
EM, I brought up this topic, in a negative sense, some months ago. Since you are the webpage/internet specialist here, why don't your start a Wiki-Bible or a Wikipedia Bible page. All the 600 +/- books of the "Bible" can be posted their for everyone to see, and like the other Wiki pages everyone can have access to add others or even edit the ones they don't like or write their own. Should keep a lot of folks entertained for sometime to come. :)
By the way I ran across this interesting site recently. You may have already seen it.
http://www.bibleufo.com/anomlostbooks.ht...
parkerbrothers,
Sorry, did you have some point? Answer the question. Because you can't. You never answer the questions because you clearly have no answers due to lack of Faith in God. IF THE BIBLE IS REFERRING TO BOOKS THAT ARE SHOULD BE IN THE BIBLE THEN SOMETHING IS CLEARLY MISSING. Hope you can read this since you clearly didn't read it before. Love how you try to discredit me with lies, Guess you need to resort to lying to get out of a mess. Much like your debacle at Duck River Speedway.
Evil Monkey,
You have to understand there has to a cutting off point somewhere.
Think about it. 100 years from now your great-great-great- granchild could be on here supporting the notion that 2,637 books were left out of the Bible including the Times Gazette blog that his great-great-great-great grandfather participated in writing.
These books you complain about...., I assume you realize that you must believe they are fictional also.
If you believe the Bible is fiction and think these 600 books of your picking should be included, then no conclusion can be reached other than you believe the 600 books are fictional also?
These are blogs. Basically the personal opinion of the person writing it. You neither have to read or agree with that opinion. As far as hatred, I sense far more hatred in other responses than I do Mr. Bells'. Yes, debating is one thing, but telling a man he is not entitled to believe how he chooses to believe and sharing his opinion with others is another. I have homosexual friends. That does not mean I condone their choice of lifestyle, it means that I don't condemn them for it. It is not our job to judge and condemn anyone. That is up to God. So please, share your opinions! Just try to do it with less hate.
http://www.facebook.com/ext/share.php?si...
Even though the subject of gays is in this article I felt it worth pointing out.
This is the agenda of our Commander in Chief!
I believe in non- violent opposition and do not agree with famous Westboro church.
Just because I am going in a new direction does not mean that I will not still battle the above mentioned article.
As a believer in the one and only Saviour of the world[not Obama either] But Jesus Christ the Son of God Almighty and the Bible as his inerrant Word. I will stand against it till the bitter end.
I just will not devote entire blogs to it, because they lead to outlandish comments from all sides, and that was mot my intent.
My intent is that a lot of Christians do not whether on their own accord or just because whatever reason,what is going on that effects them.
Rights, freedom of their beliefs which may be turned into hate crimes in the near future.
I post these blogs on 5 different sites to get the word out.
NO! they don't bother me personally, I just don't think their lifestyle should be accepted as the normal way of living.
The comment on the other blog just supported it , nothing else.
None of us can do what Jesus would do, because then we would not have needed Jesus, he was given all power to Judge. Save, and in the end of days to wipe out all evil without remorse, I could not do that.
I have read all those books listed, my Bible is enough for me.
And no , I would not picket a gay person's funeral in God's name or any other.
Just because I don't agree with the lifestyle, and believe that is wrong, I have more respect for human life and death than that.
I just believe that by changing the rules of marriage that have been in place since our nation was founded and for thousands of years elsewhere would start America on a slippery slope where there is no stopping.
Our judges our so liberal, they would allow anything.
OMG Michael, do you really think I am that stupid? Those ORIGINAL lost books are in shambles today!
So you read for the ACTUAL Genesis scroll written by Moses? Wow, and you need a church?
The Bible is questioned EVERYDAY, stop being a tool. Did Jesus carry a Bible around?
So you have met all the authors of all of the books of the Bible and know they were definately written by them on that exact date? You 100% vehemently can say you know full hand that is the case? If the 150 AD mark is what would make you believe then there are about 134 books that needs to be placed back into the Bible right now.
Compositions such as the Book of Jashar (Joshua 10:13; 2 Samuel 1:18)
Acts of Gad the Seer (1 Chronicles 29:29)
Paul's previous Corinthian letter (see 1 Corinthians 5:9) To name a few...
30 cited works--
28 from the Old Testament era, and 2 from the New Testament era, that are not included in the current canon of Scripture. Now Michael, why would the Bible cite something and NOT CONTAIN IT?
Use Common Sense! You really need to focus on doing what is right, Do what Jesus would do!
So much for your "change" and "new direction" you just go to other's blogs and stir up the crap...I truly feel sorry for you that you have nothing more to do than research homosexuals all day. Must be "your thing"
God Bless you in NOT taking the high road as usual. Please don't use God's name to keep furthering your agenda of hate. I truly expect to see you on the side of the road picketing a gay man's funeral one day and of course, using God's name.
http://www.gotquestions.org/lost-books-B...
A lot of those so-called "lost gospels" have words missing and whole pages missing.
There are literally thousands of scrolls that had pieces missing, when they were compared to out present bible our bible stands up as inerrant.
For example if they found a manuscript with the word spelled wxrd and then found one with it spelled woxd and another spelled worx it was obviously a copyist error, not a inspired error.
The Bible has not been questioned for a lot of years.
Martin Luther hated the book of James because of the verses on good works, but did not have the nerve to remove it.
To me, if the books were not written by at least 150 A.D. then they were not accepted.
The books that go totally against what was being taught at the time they were written from the oral traditions were omitted also.
Even the Jews have several more books for the Old Testament, but they were not inspired, just facts on Jewish history.
God has had his hand on history since before it was history, we have all we need to know.
I do however read those books , but do not consider them inspired.
What an inspiring blog. God will bless you in taking the high road.
Michael, I wish you all the luck with the founding of Crossroads. My family and I were recently involved in a new church start and I must tell you its a LOT of work. Lots of blessings, but Lots of work too. We started with over 100 people and just had our one-year anniversary... some are still around, some new ones have joined and Yes, God has blessed. It is not however, without lots of sacrificing, lots of prayer and more faith than you ever thought you had! AND, most of all, God must already be at work! We can never expect victory if "we" begin something and ask God to join us in it. See where He is working and join Him. That's an old "Experiencing God" rule, but's its true just the same. And remember - you do not have to re-create the wheel. There are lots of good churches inside the "body of Christ" and not all tradition has to be thrown out!
God's blessings.
Copyist errors? Leaving out 600 books is a copy error? Wow. I will be sure to leave off a few digits of your paycheck too.
well said michael, this is what will make you a great minister.