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"Syndrome" or a Lack of AccountabilityPosted Thursday, February 5, 2009, at 7:11 PM
The lady in Calif. unwed with 6 children already just had octuplets, 14 in all Wow!
Though I am against abortion except in special circumstance which I have stated several time in the past. I am not against birth control or abstinence to prevent a conception from taking place, sounds like the best method, though few people use common sense. This is not about abortion , but a lady who did what she did because she wanted to. The estimate cost from now till age 18 is well over a million dollars. I can barely take care of my family, but thanks to welfare, I and many more takes care of thousands of families. Help for those in need is one thing, but not for the masses. Welfare was supposed to be a temporary help, not a permanent lifestyle of choice. She has hired a agent to sell her story for a million dollars[ hint hint] The spokesman said that the mother had a "only child syndrome" what the heck is that? People blame a lot of things on "syndromes" or "disorders", go to a shrink and gets put on some kind of strong medication. Granted some people do need medication, but should irresponsible people be able to blame everything on syndromes or disorders, and not accept accountability. Oh yes the excuse of being born with a pre-disposition does not float with me either! So what can of syndromes, disorders can we invent to get famous for, any suggestions? Comments Showing comments in chronological order [Show most recent comments first] |
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Michael Bell Disease comes to mind. That's the one where you judge others having never walked in their shoes. I doubt anyone will ever discover a cure for it.
I am amazed that she wanted all these children. That is alot of kids to try to find time to have individual time for. How would you do that? I have a hard time feeding and clothing one, much less 14.
I do not get any assistance, even though my son is disabled.
His IQ is high, and so we try to work though any problems.
I just do not understand why someone would want so many children.
Where are they going to get the money to care for them? My pocket when i can barely make it myself?
Mr.Evans, I know the cure for all diseases and illnesses and that is Jesus Christ,you ought to try a dose, your prescription is in the bible.
I have my own shoes to walk in, and I am not judging her as you say, just making the point, that people create these so called"syndromes" in order to not accept responsibility for their own actions.
So, is there a
arsonist syndrome a thief syndrome a pedophile syndrome or all the rest that people go to therapy for to not accept the blame.
Granted, there is physical and mental illness and they do need help, but all these others question.
Lesa, I know your son all to well, I did not know that he was disabled, but I do know who he has in his corner , and that is Jesus so he has no worries.
I can not understand a Doctor actually implanting that many embryos into a woman anyway especially a unmarried woman who already had 6 children. Maybe the state should make the doctors who did this provide support for these children.
This sounds very much like somebody was doing this for attention which is wrong on so many levels.
Nathan . . . you are better than that comment. That was totally tacky and classless.
Was the woman married or is the man that clueless? She has no intent on raising these children; she asked Oprah for 2 million dollars.
The story I am hearing on this woman is she is 33 years old and unable to conceive normally..she is unmarried and lives with her parents in Calif. Several years ago she had some of her eggs frozen and all of her children have been implanted embryos. It seems the time limit was up on these last 8 frozen eggs and it was either implant them or they would have to be tossed out (I never realized there was a time limit on frozen eggs)So all of her children are petri dish children. I also hear that her mother told her if she did this again she was not helping her raise any more children...Can't say I blame her but I would have said that about 13 children ago.
Did Oprah give her the money?
Don't think Oprah fell for it, Good for her mother, I would have told her to get the hell out. That doctor that implanted them was an idiot. Shouldn't there be some sort of regulation on this sort of behavior? It isn't fair to the children.
I FELT SAD AS I READ THIS BLOG
The writer and some responders sounded flustrated.
The First question to hit my thoughts was "what would Jesus Do?" Sound familiar? I don't think accountability would be on His agenda. I think we would be instructed to help, not condemn those in need. This is a problem that faces all societies not just ours.
Second, not being a social psychologist or any type of medical doctor, means I don't know the mental or physical workings of mankind, so again I can not judge, but must try to help those who are in need, regardlesss of thier syndrome.
Third, my worry is for the fiscal stability of my nation, lest other "stable citizens" fall into despair and need. I must remember that I also could be found in need, if the fiscal policies fail in my country as it has in other countries.
I truly must resist having a hard heart, especially, during these times.
Sir: The lady truly has her hands full.
Why has it become so popular to condone, finance embrace and even applaud irresponsible behavior? Modern day political correctness and liberalism have placed our society upon a course from which their can be no simple return, and offers certain failure as it's final destination.
Exactly Tattoos & Scars . . . this woman had children knowing she didn't have the financial means to take care of all those children plus the other factors that come into play but willingly put her self in a situation like that. When we start making excuses for bad judgment and behavior and embrace it then set an example to others that it is ok to be irresponsible and that there are no consequences to such actions.
Why are we becoming a society that condones irresponsibility and bad decision making as if it is the norm. Mistakes happen but many times situations occur that people knowingly put themselves into because they don't care what happens and other people pay the price. I think it is sad that we are becoming like that and that is even reflected in our government now.
We are also a society that rewards laziness for some reason.
From eveything I have read about this story the doctor who did these embroy implants should be investigated. He knew she had six children already and no husband. Her own mother said she has had an obbession of having a lot of children since high school.
All of her children were embryo implants and they all came from the same sperm donor. Her father is going back to Iran for work and her mother said as soon as her daughter is out of the hospital she is moving out of the house. So this woman has no support system and no help to take care of these 8 babies that will come home in about a month or the 6 thats at home now.
I feel sorry for her, but more so for the children.
It seems she is ready to talk now
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090206/ap_o...
And why she received $165,000
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090205/ap_o...
Micheal, Shea has Asperger's Syndrome. It is a high functioning autism. He can "hide " it pretty well most of the time except when in stresfull and crowded situations.
We know God is truely with him, he was raised from the dead in 2000.
4fabfelines, did your son drown and they brought him back?
I heard alot of people with Asperger's had genius intellects in their field of work.
Not every person with a "Syndrome" is given a free pass because of it.
Whether they have to deal with autism,diabetes,heart disease,sickle cell,post traumatic stress disorder,fibromyalgia,epilepsy,depression,glaucoma,schizophrenia,dyslexia,Alzheimer'sdisease,Tourette's or whatever,sometimes they are told that they've been given an extra challenge and will need more support and more coping strategies to deal it.
They are not told to use their ailments to avoid responsibility or get extra perks.
Yes,we need to be empathetic and make appropriate accommodations for such folk but we need to do as much for anyone.
Folks who have more to overcome in life don't need to be singled out as heroes or hapless victims.
They don't need to be looked down on as parasites or freaks.
They're more like the "normal" person next to them than they are different.
People who believe in God know that every burden is accompanied by an equal or greater blessing and that the Lord will give us what we need to handle anything life dishes out (good or bad).
Some people get the message that they are "entitled" to have every whim granted.
This can be especially true if they feel life has given them a raw deal.
They want fairy-tale indulgences as compensation.
I've seen that response and I've also seen people get very resentful at being treated as substandard or frightening because they were different or "impaired".
I witnessed one gimmick that offered some much needed perspective.
A group of people with different challenges (some obvious,some not) caught themselves making the same mistakes with one another that clueless "normal" folk made with them.
(Just trying to figure out what the politically correct terms are is hard enough.)
Once folks start being perceived as people with a "syndrome" (instead of a syndrome with a person along for the ride),then the fear,frustration,pity and desire to pigeonhole folks as victims diminish in favor of a focus on their strengths and what's positive in their lives.
Too many people who search constantly for admiration and material wealth don't see any way of getting fulfillment apart from scams or dependency.
They might reach out for drugs instead of cash or attention.
But,their souls wind up as bloated but hungry as people who try to ease physical starvation with junk food.
They need confirmation of their strength instead of their inadequacy.
They need to know love because of who they are and not what they lack.
God knows all our imperfections but he is never disparaging or condescending.
He believes in us (even before we believe in him).
Without Him,we may be cursed into writing ourselves off or always having something to prove.
With Him,we can have confidence,respect and true humility.
We can be empowered from within and not need any external props.
As the man said,"My God don't make no junk."
When we stop looking at one another (or ourselves) as proof that the negative side of things is winning,God can infect us with SVS (Spiritual Victory Sundrome).
SVS affects the body and soul,may be impossible to eradicate and can be contagious.
Once contracted,it,too,can shape and control our lives.
But,it does so by giving us more capability and freedom.
Perhaps,we need to define ourselves by whether or not we have SVS instead of what else is going on in our lives.
Who cares if we're battling a despicable Syndrome?
We have our own Mr.Incredible and His family of heroes.
With that kind of back-up,we don't need Disney to give us a happy ending.
Do not worry about the welfare of the children. The state of California will take them over at some point in the future. This is an example of medical ethics not keeping up with medical technology. Many of you(myself included) wonder why this was done. Should the government limit this type of action? A slippery slope it is when the government dictates how many babies you can have. Yes I know it is that way in China, but do we want to start down that path as well?
Nathan . . . you are better than that comment. That was totally tacky and classless.
-- Posted by jaxspike on Thu, Feb 5, 2009, at 9:11 PM
Yeah you're right jaxspike... Michael, this piece is very well written and surprisingly moderate. Nice work. My opinion on this matter does vary a little however, especially considering the bailout. I believe that when we as a nation take care of an American child we are giving them a good start that will keep them healthy, teach them skills to succeed, and provide them much needed hope. To me that sounds like America investing in its future. Strength in numbers. At the proper time these children will more than likely join the workforce like the rest of us, providing a lifetime of service for the greater good. Some will not of course, but it is to be expected. Is it your place to pay for it? No, but who would if you did not? Would we be a greater nation if we decided to just turn out backs on them? I also think this woman is crazy.
"I can barely take care of my family, but thanks to welfare, I and many more takes care of thousands of families."
out of curiosity, since you seem to be on here 24-7, what exactly is it you do to provide for your family?
as for the case in question, i see a couple of suitable ways to deal with it.
1) remove the children from this obviously mentally ill woman, and put them up for adoption. then jail the dr who deliberately perpetrated this outrage against a mentally ill person. or
2) leave the children with the woman (as others have noted, removing children from their parent's care is a slippery slope) and make the good dr liable for child support for all 14 of them until the age of 21.
seriously, michaelbell, do you actually have a job?
lazarus,
He posts in the evening so I would assume he does work during the early morning. And I believe he was stating he paid for welfare because of taxes to take care of many families. That's what I got out of what he was saying.
Yes I do work a job, have been since I was 15 years old. To me it seems the ones who work and need help from time to time can't get it.
Welfare was never intended to be a lifestyle, but when you can drive a Cadillac, have 2 cell phones going at the same time, and you and your kids all have designer clothes and shoes, and go to the store and buy steaks, ribs, and all other kinds of food and pull out the food stamp card and pay $450.00 in groceries, it ain't to bad a lifestyle is it?
michael,
Perhaps you should take lazarus' comment as a compliment. In essence he might be saying that he recognizes how much time goes into preparing your work and he probably does not see how you can do it all and still maintain a job at the same time. After all you have devoted many many hours of your time to propel and prosper the Gospel as best you know how.
Perhaps lazarus is underestimating the ability of the Spirit to activate a man and stir him to bring forth the Good News.
Perhaps, just perhaps....with God all things are possible.
mom of three and others, my son drowned when he was 5 at a church outing at Cedar Point. He fell into a sinkhole and was drug out to the middle of the lake.
He was unresponsive for 40 minutes, then we got him breathing and he kept losing heartbeat and was having sezuires. It took the ambulance 45 minutes to reach us.
they life flighted him to erlanger. He was in a coma.
They did not expect him to "come back". We prayed and so did many others. Around 3:00 that morning, he sat up from a dead coma, and started pulling the wires and tubes out, wanting his momma and chicken nuggets, he was hungrey.
After a battery of multiple tests over a couple of days, they declared him a miracle and let him come home. He even had a hole in his heart that disappeared.
God is good and i still am in awe.
Amen!
God is good and i still am in awe.
-- Posted by 4fabfelines on Sat, Feb 7, 2009, at 9:14 AM
4fabfelines,
Yes indeed, God is good and i also still am in awe.
It is fascinating to see the work of God in us all.
Michael Bell Disease comes to mind.
-- Posted by nathan.evans on Thu, Feb 5, 2009, at 7:48 PM
nathan.evans,
Several years ago I contacted that same "disease" as you call it and it is indeed life changing. It is usually contacted when you breathe in the Holy Spirit and Peace settles into your whole body from head to toe. It is only shortly before it has infiltrated every organ in your body. The heart and mind are most affected by this serious infiltration.
Beware of the prescibed medicine for this disease. My treatment started immediately by taking two chapters of Bible a day with prayer. Instead of putting it in remission the medicine only caused the Spirit to grow and before long it had taken over my everything. I was diagnosed terminal and beyond cure. And the real news came when they told me I would carry this "disease" through eternity. Even death would not eliminate it.
Some more good news though followed when they said I had insurance and Doctor Christ was my appointed physician through eternity and my bill was already paid in full nearly 2000 years ago.
I still take my medicine and consult with the Doctor daily but the Spirit grows immensely and the Peace is beyond comprehension. Although the side affects of the medicine which are Joy can be overwhelming at times I am persevering through it all.
Not trying to wish anything bad on you but I hope you come into contact with this "disease".
May all who have this "disease" prove symptomatic and carriers.
Problems can result when (as in certain cases of strep) no one observing the "patient" can tell they have it.
Neither are any signs whatever that they have passed it on.
The difference is that a hidden strep infection can affect the heart.
If the love of God is never manifested or spread,hearts remain unchanged.
Some have a complete immunity to this disease. They have all in all perfected rejection of it being able to enter their body.
I'm just grateful I was weak and could not fight it off any longer and allowed it to enter my body.
I try to look at the bright side.
I love both the medicine, the side effects of the medicine and most of all the opportunity it gave me to get aquainted with my wonderful eternal doctor.
I never knew having a doctor at your side full time around the clock would be such a joyful thing to endure.
micheal, we gotta get a picture of you smiling buddy!!
I sent one in to the t-g, they just have not changed it yet.
You have a great smile micheal! Share that joy in your heart, you have Jesus Christ and a beautiful family.
:) Love you dude.
you to!
Not trying to wish anything bad on you but I hope you come into contact with this "disease".
-- Posted by parkerbrothers on Sat, Feb 7, 2009, at 10:41 AM
You should take your show on the road, Marvin. It is very entertaining.
LOL
It depends on the doctor.
The best ones keep you healthy more than cure and they don't ask you to pay more than you can afford to give.
They're always there when you need them (even if it's just for reassurance or advice) and they know when you need a hug,a good cry,a lecture or someone to do for you what you can't or won't do for yourself.
They protect your interests and are ready to move heaven and earth to keep you functioning and running your own life as much as is humanly possible (or more).
They let you in on the deep,dark secret that a healthy lifestyle can be so enjoyable that you'd never know it was actually good for you.
(As opposed to the mornings after the nights before when you have to ask "Are we having fun yet?")
Of course,having such a Physician around 24/7 can prevent a lot of self-sabotage but you also get more access to their stash of treats.
nathan.evans,
Hopefully someday you can understand instead of being entertained.
Hopefully someday you will appreciate the efforts of people like Michael Bell instead of condemning their every effort to spread the Gospel as you do.
Hopefully someday the Word will provide comfort to you instead of provoking your comments of intolerance toward hearing it.
What do you have to gain by stifling the message Michael tries to bring forth?
So my question to each of you, with these great opinions about this woman is.... is it not her right to have or want that many children, or are you stuck on the fact that none of the kids was concieved naturally.... would that make your comment any different? I know several families in the local area with 6+ children and no one says anything about them. Regardless she chose to do what she did and it has nothing to do with making any of you happy. I am a single 25 year old woman with a 5 year old, and I am no longer in the welfare system at all and get no child support ever and period, so it can be done. However when i decided that my son was better off without a father than having a dead beat this blog sounds like the critism that i recieved from my family... welfare this and irresposisiblity that.
Consider this... regardless the doctor can not tell this woman that she must abort any of the ,and there are always multiple implants in a woman of her age to increase the chance of one of them surviving, if it had only been one that survived would that have been ok? I only want you all to take an educated view on the situation and not always with a closed mind on subjects. not everyone has a perfect family under "normal" circumstances
Point well taken, but it seems that she went into the situation seeing money signs.
No problem with big families and long as the parent or parents can take care of them.
Agreed.
I wish she'd had the option of having the babies over time or with the assistance of three or more surrogates.
Then,there wouldn't have been the hassles of such a strenuous multiple birth.
I dislike the idea that any child conceived this way might be jettisoned.
There are too many people wanting children to have tossed the embryos,performed selective abortion or risk the dangers of multiple birth.
I'd like to have seen some of the children already here get a chance at a real family life and I'd have preferred it if the doctor had fertilized a few eggs at a time and implanted them as required instead of warehousing so many embryoes at once.
I'm not faulting the desire to parent or the use of modern medical technology.
I do question the wisdom of allowing a patient to carry so many babies at once then have to raise them along with several other siblings.
Some people have done an excellent job overcoming the difficulties of caring for a large family and/or one where the children are close in age.
I doubt many have *chosen* to deal with having several biological offspring right together.
This is a young woman.
Might she elect to expand her family (and reduce her energies) further in years to come?
I feel like there is a difference in a young unmarried woman becoming pregnant and deciding to keep the baby and actually having 14 children implanted, none of which she can support.
I personally would have no problem at all with a woman having 20 children as long as she could afford them. Being inside the welfare system for a short period of time until a mother can make it without the support of welfare is what it is intended..welfare was never meant to be a way of life.
jenn0060,
Here is an educated view:
This woman didn't make a mistake of sleeping with the wrong person, She purposely implanted herself to have more babies which she could NOT even cope with the 6 she currently has. She is motivated by getting money for her "story".
This is totally different then what happened to you. I do not have a closed mind, but I sure as heck know what motivated her because of her actions and words.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009...
Looks as if some states are trying to shaow some accountability.
supposed to be show.I am going to count sheep. Be Blessed!
This woman is looking for money not children. She already got $165,000 from the place she use to work (for her back problem) and still has to live with her parents? What's wrong with that picture?
1 Timothy 6:10 (King James Version)
10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
For people who can't accept the King James Version or who want to change its meaning, here is the New International Version:
1 Timothy 6:10 (New International Version)
10 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.
1 Timothy 6:10 (Worldwide English (New Testament))
10 Because people love money they do all kinds of wrong things. Some people have stopped believing in God because they want money so much. And it brings them many troubles.
In my opinion, this woman is creating her own Hell on earth. She will pay the price, good or bad.
I raised 2 children of my own and 4 step children as my own. I wouldn't and couldn't raise 14 children. I would be more insane than I am now if I even tried.
I personally think that we should conceive children the old fashioned way.
I have three and have had 2 miscarriages.
If I was supposed to have 5 then I would have.
My sister has no children and she has the same ideas. She has decided if she was meant to have a child she will.
There is a plan for us. By freezing embryos, etc. we are messing with nature and only hurting ourselves and our balance.