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Faith or Fiction
Posted Wednesday, February 18, 2009, at 4:51 PM<< Previous | Read comments | Respond | Email link | Next >>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shroud_of_T...
It seems as if the last blog led to the "carbon dating of everything as a basis for it's accuracy on dating something". I for one do not know anything about carbon dating or probably never will. Would not the presence of fire, ashes and carbon in general change the dating of something way older or younger than it really is. The bible does talk of animals in the book of Job having tails the size of cedar trees,they are called behemoths. Several scholars once stated that these where either a hippopotamus or a elephant, neither has a tail that big. Job 40:15-24 They have found ancient drawings of man and a great beast together on clay pots and cave walls. I just can see science saying that something is "several millions years old" and having just the carbon test to back it up. The link I posted about the shroud, makes wonder about the accuracy of carbon dating for would not the fire have changed the date of it's creation. My point is people[not all] but most will go to great lengths to prove the bible false. they figure if they can prove the creation story false, then the rest will follow suit. Therefore, if it is false, then there is no right or wrong, therefore no Jesus, no salvation and no hereafter. So there is no worries about moral accountability. Even the "cavemen" of millions of years ago, who had no bible or anything else still believed in a God and a afterlife. You take about evolution, seems as if a lot of the world's people are going in the opposite direction. Comments Showing comments in chronological order [Show most recent comments first] |
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I won't respond because I don't believe in trolls, although unique does have Marvin's goats, don't remember if they were named Gruff or not.
My world view comes from the Bible, if you don't see that world view then I am very sorry for you.
You have a God given and a constitutional right to believe or say whatever you want to.
This blog is as my brother in Christ called it "a bible totin blog"! If you want to add your 2% you are more than welcome, but except the fact that you, your I.Q. or science will never change my view.
I may die and there is nothing, then again as I believe there is.
I will be as Lazarus, and you the rich man begging for a drink.
Imagine looking through a 2- way mirror and seeing everything that is in heaven, but all you can do is look, and never touch it. That will be Hell you or whoever is looking from.
I will be the one setting at the feet of Jesus learning the mysteries from before time began, as if I would even care, for eternity is before me.
I know I said I would not feed the Trolls, but enjoy the bone I threw you.
Does it really matter what other people believe regarding creation?
It really doesn't. You cannot prove there was a creator and the scientist can't prove there wasn't one. You both can't be right and only some event or catastophe may be needed to prove it one way or the other. All either of you can do is state what your belief is, at this time.
I prefer to say- that I am a creationist, but recognize the fact that I don't know how it was done or when. If I am wrong, who or what have I hurt? If I am right then there may be life after death. If I am wrong I will never know it anyway.
I feel the same about evolutional problems, I really don't care how I got here or by which method. I do care how I treat my fellow man and the way I live my life.
Michael,
He ate them. He ate my goats.
http://www.t-g.com/blogs/michaelbell/ent...
Obsessed.
Well nascarfanatic, I would have to say Mr. Bell is BEYOND obsessed, but he is so obsessed with many topics, he just keeps beating a dead horse. I really wish he would find something new to copy and paste :)
those are not copy and paste, I am a slave to Christ, I am obsessed for he is my Saviour.
nascarfanatic and Disturbia,
What you are viewing as obsession is actually the outpouring of love that is created by the filling of the Holy Spirit in a man like Michael. It truly brings upon a man the outflowing of the fruits which you shall know him by (as you two are seeing).
May it fill your body from head to toe with the joy and peace that will turn you into fruit bearers also.
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(instead of a couple of nuts)....:)))
smile, life is too short not to have a little fun you two.
In the garden . . . the same rights that the Times-Gazette gives Michael Bell to state his opinions in an "OPINION BLOG" are also given to you to spout off your rhetoric also. If you want to deny his rights then are you will to sacrifice your rights to state your opinion also?
I didn't think so . . . if you don't like Michael's opinion on the subject matter then don't read it or if you do, then respond in an intelligent manner and discuss the subject matter instead of usual crazy rant of name calling and belittling of people that you seem to delight in.
In regards to the subject matter, I could care less if man and dinosaurs coexisted together because it doesn't have any bearing on what I believe today. Sometimes Christians get bog down on small details that have no bearing on how we live our lives today. It is kind of like how some churches believe in instrumental music during service while some think it's against the Bible. I really don't think God cares if you play an instrument as long as your heart is in the right place.
I really don't think God cares if you play an instrument as long as your heart is in the right place.
-- Posted by jaxspike on Thu, Feb 19, 2009, at 8:10 AM
jaxspike,
It is indeed all about the heart. Well said.
greasemonkey,
Check the other site, you know what I am talking about and read the first one. Spread the word. Reason I am posting here is because I know you will know to read it. If anyone else knows what I am talking about, then you guys enjoy.
EM,
Hadn't heard from you in a while, thought you might have disowned me, lol. That site really does look awesome though. You really should invite them over to the site and read the article they are honored with, LOL. They couldnt run to the principle on that site could they, LOL.
Disowned you? Not at all, I thought you disowned me for being too liberal:) Anyways, I always thought myself as a moderate, right there on the fence. But, I can't link to the site unless it has something to do with the topic of the forum.
Anyways, I have some "fertilizing" to do.
You guys are no fun! :-P
what do you mean, jaxspike?
EM,
LOL, no I have liberal friends it doesnt bother me as long as they can defend there position. There seems to be alot of that "fertilizing" going on.
Anyway back to subject at hand......
Michael,
Carbon dating has never been reliable or accurate, regardless of what the object has been exposed to.
Radio dating using Radioactive isotopes in a controlled environment is the best carbon dating form out, but it hasn't been proven to be totally 100%.
btw I approved your account gm, and there is a nice PM feature there;)
cool.
did yall hear something?
Here is a question for you Mr Bell. If science is learning the answers to the many questions about early man, who put him there? Maybe we are just now supposed to be able to learn the many things science has to discover.
I think there is a troll cruising the garden!
Didn't delete anything. The administrator approves them. You need to talk to them. Not me.
Guess Mr Bell is too busy to entertain my question.
God gives man the intelligence to know what he knows, but God is always in control.
Is that all you have to say? No quoting of scripture to validate your position?
just that it takes faith to please him.
You are like 'religious' people. One ask a simple question like this and you have no answer. Go study some more and see what you find out
:) You're so smart.
you need to get the faith the size of the mustard seed before you get all the facts.
michaelbell,
I don't know why you even write blogs like this. Trying to mix science and religion is absurd. Science requires the concept that an idea is open to different possibilities. Your faith doesn't allow for that concept. You don't have to worry about anyone disproving the bible. No idea held by faith can be disproved. Faith is believing in something regardless of what any evidence may suggest.
So I'll ask you the same question I asked on your other blog. Why is faith itself a good thing?
Any community that doesnt allow a "garden" is cool in my book. LOL!
Again you will not address my question. You talk of faith, yet do nothing to show why you have faith. Science and religion can get along, just not with you it seems. I wonder, do you enjoy today's technology? What if this was the work of Satan instead of God? What would you do then?
---crickets chirping---
Richard,
Faith is a good thing because that is what makes things happen.
Faith is believing in something regardless of what any evidence may suggest. Christians believe on faith and that is what makes them Christians. If they didn't have faith in what God says, they wouldn't be Christians. No idea held by faith can be disproved.
Scientists have faith also or they wouldn't keep trying to prove that things are not true. Scientists keep records of tests they do, good or bad, in hopes that one day something will come along or happen that will change their results of prior tests. That is faith or they could throw it all out the window when they can't prove anything.
Here is an example of why we don't put much faith in science.
Science can not prove nor disprove aliens from outer space, can not determine if crash site contain alien ships when the metals found at crash sites are unknown to scientists.
Thousands of people see UFOs, even reliable persons of statue and military personal, yet nothing is confirmed, just covered up.
What about the cattle mutilations out west? The Government hushed it up as nothing.
Who ever done it had to have arial equipment to pick those cows up off the ground and the latest surgical instruments to mutilate these cows without a bloody mess, then just drop them to the ground.
If any group of men did that, they would have been caught and prosecuted, so that leaves the federal government.
Scientist examined these cases and found nothing. Private scientists and doctors found that the body parts taken were those that could determine the radio activity of the air they were breathing.
That pretty much told me that the Government was trying to find out how much damage they had done out west with their nuclear testing.
It was left up the YOU to decide. What kind of science reporting is that?
When we tell you about something in the bible, we tell it like it is and try to give proof when it is available to us. If it is something of a Christian nature, we don't blame it on the government or aliens.
I watched some of the "Big Bang" on TV last night. It was interesting but far fetched. The earth was destroyed by a meteor 6,000 miles wide. Yet they claim a meteor the size of a house would destroy the earth.
The Big Bang happened some 600 billion years ago and created "Everything" into existence form one little neutron or electron of an Adam. That being the case, why would man have to evolve from apes? Didn't the Big Bang know how to make humans? It made everything else in all the universes, including all the universes, according to Scientist.
And the scientists and people on their side want to make remarks like God and Satan with their super mystical powers? Looks like the scientists have a hypothesis with Mystical Powers.
The stars are allegedly bigger than the sun and oh yeah, the sun is losing its power and will eventually stop burning.
The bible says the sun will be dark as sackcloth.
Revelation 6:12
I watched as he opened the sixth seal. There was a great earthquake. The sun turned black like sackcloth made of goat hair, the whole moon turned blood red,
That was spoken centuries before scientists knew anything about it.
God parted the Red Sea using Moses as his tool. Scientists have proven that the sea could part by itself when certain weather conditions existed and a wind was blowing just right. God used the elements to part the Sea.
God Flooded the earth and it was written about in the bible. Scientists have proven that there was a worldwide flood. Their dates may be off some,but... it happened as spoken of in the bible, before scientists even started looking to disprove a flood.
Faith is backed up by a lot of "hope", then comes the faith. Why have faith in something where there is no hope of it happening?
Romans 8:24-25
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
Faith is waiting patiently for something that hasn't materialized yet. I believe scientist do a lot of that as well. They are still waiting patiently (Faithfully) for something to happen.
That is Faith, believing something WILL happen. Scientists may even have more faith than most Christians! It's just, their faith is in something that is material not spiritual.
George Michael had faith . . .
Unique-Lies, what you've just written is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever read. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this blog is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
So did Xander Harris.
Er...
(Never mind.)
Our species has sentience.
As a result,we can ask the who's and what's and how's concerning the world around us.
We can also ask why we are here.
We can attempt to understand how we got here even as we work on what comes next.
Science and faith can make the assumption that we have the ability to think for a reason.
It's up to us to apply that ability.
All of us can meet our world with a sense of curiosity and wonder.
All of us can go from ignorance and misunderstanding to a growing awareness of the truths that await our discovery.
We can debate and ridicule one another over our current positions or we can celebrate the fact that we can ask questions and find answers at all.
Our lives are based around growing,changing and adapting.
Some of us see God as a First Cause.
For some,the jury's still out.
But,if the facts (and the minds we use to study them)are important,then any search for Truth is valid.
(We're just in different places in our journey.)
If an idea is no more than another electrical impulse triggered by an exchange of potassium and sodium ions,then what significance does one thought or another have?
The erroneous notions and any that might match reality aren't that different in their chemical form.
So,why do we argue over these varied sparks produced by computers made of flesh?
Perhaps,we perceive a meta-reality that makes *knowing* our environment as important as the thing itself.
According to Locke,we are all Doubting Thomases.
"Till we ourselves see it with our own eyes, and perceive it by our own understandings, we are still in the dark."
But,genuine faith is not blind.
Rather,it sees,knows and has been convinced of a fact that supercedes all others.
Neither faith nor science can or should rely on unthinking acceptance.
They should embrace the birthright of rationality until they can see past the darkness and examine all that has been concealed within it.
When we seek to find truth (instead of preserve our prejudices),we may discover that we have arrived at the same place even when we came from different directions.
George Michael had faith . . .
-- Posted by jaxspike on Fri, Feb 20, 2009, at 11:57 AM
HAHAHAHA Now that song is in my head.
well Micheal, this opened a can of worms:)
This is my stance... there is alot for which i have no answer. I can go to a museum of Natural History and see bones of a long dead dinosaur. It did exsist, when and whatever.. well.. whatever!
This is do know, i once was a alcoholic/druggie, now i live for Christ. How did He do it? I have not a clue.. Only that i trusted in the unseen and it manifested in the seen.
I do not have all the answers at all, and to speculate and argue..it does no good. Some folks live to argue.
Be at peace Micheal.. and don't let some folks spoil your Garden of Eden
Only that i trusted in the unseen and it manifested in the seen.
Posted by 4fabfelines on Fri, Feb 20, 2009, at 4:37 PM
That says it. And the Peace arrives.
every garden has a serpent in it!
Thank you Richard! That was the nicest thing you could have said. In keeping up with God's word, I must have hidden the truth from the wise and prudent also.
Who pee peed in the gardens pop tarts?
Come on, somebody fess up.
Real easy to be nasty when you are anonymous in New Jersey, coward.
in the garden,
Take it easy on me. I promise you it was not me who tinkled in your tarts.
I think it might have been evil monkey. :)))
EM,
Have you been bad again?
The way you fellows get into competitive micturation,it's a wonder somebody's toaster hasn't short-circuited already.
I bet it would please the Lord no end if y'all would try to be a bit kinder and more respectful around one another.
Didn't He ask us to keep our pants zipped around tarts?
(He didn't? Oh,not in this context...)
Well,y'all behave,anyway.
quantumcat,
That's one competition I did not enter.
I will however find a new toaster for 'in the garden' if that would make them feel better.
Evil Monkey,
You have been quite lately.
Anything to do with 'in the gardens' toaster?
When we were young, one of the boys in the neighborhood tinkled on the spark plug of a lawn mower while it was running.
He was real quite for several weeks after that.
PB,that's just one more example of why we need to use push mowers or goats or avoid the vanity of lawns altogether.
(Would the boy have had that shocking experience with a solar-powered mower? I think not.)
We'd do better if we were Son-powered our own selves.
All this hissing is setting a bad example for my four cats.
They've been growling with their fur on end all weekend.
(I think it's because they see y'all as role models.)
Try to remember that there are impressionable minds out there (even some that aren't critters) who are trying to figure out what it means to be a grown-up believer.
When they see the witness of our lives,are they going to be met with the Bread of Life or tainted strudel?
quantumcat,
Maybe the cats are worried about the pop tarts you are putting in their food bowls?
"Doesn't look like kibble-n-bits to me Felix."
Try to remember that there are impressionable minds out there (even some that aren't critters) who are trying to figure out what it means to be a grown-up believer.
Posted by quantumcat on Sun, Feb 22, 2009, at 12:46 PM
quantumcat,
Is that anything like trying to figure out how to be religous???
I apologize if you were offended by me using the word pee pee instead of the more Christian like word wee wee.
I thought using the word tinkle was still in the rule book of "Being a grown-up Believer".
I also thought having a little sense of humor was?
Excuse me for taking off my black winged tip shoes and washing the Brylcream out of my hair also.
I remember when they were in the rule book for "Being a Christian".
I wasn't offended by any individual words.
(I might have used the term (rhymes with kiss) used in the King James Version of Samuel,Kings and Isaiah.)
I don't mind y'all doing your version of the "dozens" (as I think the whole Pop-Tart exchange was,to be honest.)
But,we need to be careful that good-natured teasing and thoughtful critiques don't turn mean-spirited.
Some folks will ignore a hundred instances of fun and honest debate to latch onto a handful of contemptuous exchanges.
I never thought of you as a Brylcreem man.
I suspect your "greasy kid stuff" is the anointing of your Saviour.
(Even a lil' dab'll do ya.)
Guys,(all of you),feel free to kick off your Sunday shoes,put on comfy sneakers and a cardigan and,as you demonstrate the Golden Rule,look out to your fellow bloggers and say:" Won't you be my neighbor?"
quantumcat,
Good idea about the neighbor thing. But I am going to hide my pop tarts on the top shelf of the pantry just in case someone is not through with the joking.
I still think evil monkey might have got electrocuted on the gardens toaster since you brought that up. I bet that was a sight to behold.
We keep all the sweet stuff on our top shelf so the dieting hobbits in the family can't reach them.
The cats can get their own Pop-Tarts and don't have to wait until they show up in the dish.
(I don't think they've eaten toaster pastries but they did kill a box of horse show do-nuts.)
You may be right about EM and the toaster but I thought his hair always had that glow and volume.
Good news.
Evil Monkey is okay.
I talked to him via telephone last night and he seems normal?
In the gardens toaster must have been set on low.
He's a character.
But I like him.
http://www.youtube.com/v/Ns8Z3RDHBaM&hl=...
I was sent this link by a friend, I thought I would share it.
I have sen this guy on several shows, like John Ankerberg and creationist shows, he knows his business.