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Standing By Her Morals
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,5172...
In the societies of America and even the world everyone is supposed to conform to whatever is popular whether they agree with it or not or whether it is even right or not. I am not saying right in the legal sense, but right to your own personal sense. I don't normally pay any sense to news about beauty pageants or any shows like that, but I am proud that Miss California kept her morals and has no regrets about her decision. How many others would keep their moral beliefs despite the possible outcome? http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,5172... Miss California, May God Bless You! Comments Showing comments in chronological order [Show most recent comments first] |
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She was correct in her response. Homosexuality or any other deviant behavior against the "natural design" of God's creative works "I" think is wrong. There is nothing wrong with expressing your beliefs, whether politically correct or not, in fact, it is your right. She, addressed no specific person or group, she merely answered a direct question regarding her belief. She believes apparently that "marriage" is or should be a union between a man and a woman. She was not asked if she felt that "same sex unions" should recieve the same recognition as "natural unions" in legal/economical situations. Of course, all humans deserve to be treated as equals by thier fellow citizens, regardless of choice.
Whether I agree with her viewpoint or not, she answered the question in an honest fashion and stated what she believed and she did nothing wrong and so I don't understand the problem. She even mentioned some might not agree with her and that is ok and she was just stating what "she" believed. What was she suppose to do, lie? You don't have to believe what she does and if you disagree with that viewpoint then fine but that doesn't make her any less of a person for stated her beliefs.
We can't please everyone . . .
Yeah,
Perez Hilton apparently went looking for trouble with a controversial question like that one and he found it. Ms. Prejean, (Ms. California) went out of her way to not offend anyone with an honest answer that reflected her moral beliefs. He should count his blessings it was Ms. Prejean that answered the question. I don't think I'm alone here when I say a few of our answers would not have been so PC.
I had no idea they were getting in to that type of questioning for Miss America. I think the pageant may be the one off-base here. Was everyone asked this same question?
Asking if all humans deserve to be treated as equals, is one thing but this 'judge' had his own agenda that he was bringing into the pageant and I am surprised ( no probably not surprised ) that the pageant did not sensor HIM.
Certainly they can ask what their 'theme' will be while they are Miss America. I doubt that Miss California was going to make an anti gay marriage campaign, and that would have been out of line for a reigning Miss America. I envision Miss America as portraying what is good in America, not what is politically hot.
Kudos to Miss California, not for her external beauty but her internal strength and conviction to speak her beliefs when asked.
I had to come back for another comment. I accept folks with other lifestyle choices, but I do not like to have any of them forced upon me. In a previous life I worked closely with gay males and females.
They respected me and I returned the respect. I even went to social functions and we got along fine, but no one pushed their beliefs on me, nor did I push mine on them.
I state this to avoid anyone thinking that my support for Miss California is condemnation of someone else. I have firm beliefs but I leave the judgment up to our Lord.
I have firm beliefs but I leave the judgment up to our Lord.
-- Posted by stevemills on Tue, Apr 21, 2009, at 8:47 AM
well said steve. God will be their judge, not me.
Your "God" also says that eating shrimp is wrong. At least my imaginary friend doesn't impose ridiculous dietary restrictions upon me.
Argue against gay marriage if you want, but let's try to keep superstition (i.e. Christianity) out of the debate.
let's try to keep superstition (i.e. Christianity) out of the debate.
-- Posted by d412742 on Tue, Apr 21, 2009, at 11:58 AM
In what way is christianity a "superstition"? Also this girl should be applauded for standing for what she believes even when she knew she would be ridiculed for it.
d412742,
my friend you r tryin to fight a losing battle. u claim that our faith is fake, but really and truly u cant prove that it is. scientists have been tryin for years and cant do it. just think about this there have been 150 plus editions of the basic science books that u see in our school systems and every different one has something changed in it bc scientists didnt quite get it the first time around. there has only been one bible. i think the odds r against science. the bible talks about things that were not even thought of by science yet like the earth bein flat. yeah the bible states that, and was written about 400bc in the old testament and columbus didnt discover that until the 15th century. even though there a few scientists like aristotle and pythagoras tried to test that theory they couldnt. so i challenge u test your theory of our so called fake religion.
the bible talks about things that were not even thought of by science yet like the earth bein flat. yeah the bible states that, and was written about 400bc in the old testament and columbus didnt discover that until the 15th century.
-- Posted by brother_p75 on Tue, Apr 21, 2009, at 1:00 PM
Columbus discovered that the earth was flat?
Or did you you mean round? No, he didn't discover that either. Maybe you need to read those science books again.
I can't prove leprechauns don't exist either. Does that, by default, mean that they do exist?
As for the original topic of this blog, I actually agree with michaelbell on this one. She was asked for her own personal opinion, and she answered honestly. I don't see anything wrong with that. She wasn't telling other people what to believe.
Wow,i could not believe how ignorant Perez Hilton is. #1,in this country we are supposed to have freedom of speech and freedom of choice.#2 we can agree to disagree with our beliefs concerning homosexuality and marriage Thank God for this young woman from California, God Bless Her.
This was a loaded question and as such should not have been ask of her in this situation. There is no right or wrong answer here it is simply her belief and no answer would have pleased everyone.
The question was very unfair to her, I believe.
Your "God" also says that eating shrimp is wrong. At least my imaginary friend doesn't impose ridiculous dietary restrictions upon me.
Argue against gay marriage if you want, but let's try to keep superstition (i.e. Christianity) out of the debate.
-- Posted by d412742 on Tue, Apr 21, 2009, at 11:58 AM
let's try to keep superstition (i.e. Christianity) out of the debate.
-- Posted by d412742 on Tue, Apr 21, 2009, at 11:58 AM
Points go to you for plagiarism; this was from the short film that stared Jack Black, as Jesus, about prop 8 in California, when the good people of the state voted for a constitutional amendment to ban Gay marriage. So do research and disrespect Christianity with an original thought, without quoting some Hollywood slime ball. It seems to me that the Gay community expects that they should be able to voice their opinion, which is there right, however when someone speaks an opinion other than the gay opinion, then they are the closed minded bigots. Does Miss California have the right to have her own opinion? I would die for her to have that right, which is the reason I served in the military, to defend the rights of both the gay Mr. Perez, and I use Mr. loosely, and Miss California.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,5171...
It seems as if our opinions are fine as long as it is the same as everybody else.
Morality questions should not be asked, ask questions on third world nations or global warming, or ones where morality is not involved.
My stance is , if they pass gay marriage so be it, just as long as Christians who don't agree with it, such as Pastors being forced to do the ceremony or doctors doing in-vitro or forcing a Christian based business being penalized for not catering to them such as photos or party planning then so be it.
Do what they will for they will anyway but for a person or a group of persons to give up their morals and beliefs just to be with the in-crowd or to advance is just as bad as not having any morals, way to go Miss California!
To Miss Perez-or anyone else, when you ask a question and don't get the answer you want , don't get mad, just get over it. not everybody is in the status quo!
Mr. Perez I am sorry for the confusion, Iwonder here lately.
I won't share which side I am on in the debate about gay marriage, but I have no problem with someone stating their opinion, as long as it's not hate inspired, and hers wasn't.
Miss America is supposed to be a representative of all people, not a bigot. I am on the side of the debate that says everyone has a right to marry whomever he or she wants. There was a time in society when a black person could not marry a white person and an Indian could not marry a white. Should we still go by those laws? The Bible says that the punishment for adultery is stoning to death, should we do that also. Maybe we should then we would be rid of a lot of politicians, priest, and other holier than thou people. Times they are a changing and it's time for everyone to change with them.
And whenever you stand praying, forgive, if you have anything against anyone; so that your father also who is in heaven may forgive your transgressions. But if you do not forgive, neither will your father who is in heaven forgive your transgressions.
MARK 11:25-26
I don't understand anyone that call themselves a Christian and then spews words of bigotry and hate. It is not our place to judge anyone for breaking God's law. There can only be one judge for them, our only course is prayer, not guns, not protest, not hateful messages in the media, prayer. If you are true Christians and truly know your bible then you know this to be true.
What was Miss California supposed to do? Be evasive, put her principles aside, and lie like a slick politician, and not answer the gay marriage question? Here's a thought, if you don't want someone's honest opinion, don't ask for it.
Spoken like a true three isles right of Rush Limbaugh Republican and as I said unforgiving Christian. Never give an inch push push push. You would rather push the button that destroys the world rather than concede one little inch that we could all live in peace equally. How about this. I hate people that drink alcohol. A drunken driver killed my 23-year-old nephew and all he got was a slap on the wrist. I believed anyone that drinks alcohol should be put in jail. I believed anyone that drinks alcohol and drives a car should be put in the gas chamber. I believed that anyone that drinks alcohol and kills someone should be tortured first then drawn and quartered then beheaded. I believe we should stop wasting money on anti-smoking ads on TV and elsewhere. When they outlawed cigarette billboards I lost my job. Yet they have done nothing to outlaw alcohol advertising. A drunken driver took the life of my nephew, a drunken driver took the life of my sister-in-law's brother we were the same age with the same birthday. That drunk got off because being drunk was an excuse for murder in those days. A drunken driver took the life of my Best Man. A drunken driver took the life of my brother's best friend.
In the end we forgave them for it is not our place to judge them.
Since Miss America has bigoted ideals then she should accept the score she received because of her bigoted ideals and quit crying about it.
intolerant |inˈtälərənt| adjective not tolerant of others' views, beliefs
Sounds like Perez Hilton
bigotry |ˈbigətrē| noun intolerance toward those who hold different opinions
Sounds like Perez Hilton
prejudice |ˈprejədəs| noun preconceived opinion that is not based on reason or actual experience
Sounds like Perez Hilton
rickylane . . . how was Miss California "spewing bigotry and hate" when all she was doing was expressing her view on what marriage is? She wasn't saying everyone should believe what she believes nor did she call gay people any names.
She has the right to her opinion just like I do and she was asked what she believed and gave an honest answer. I may disagree with her answer but that doesn't make her a bigot or some evil person.
Perez Hilton is a man, that is gay, and he makes his living off of giving celebreties a hard time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perez_Hilto...
Some superstition is what keeps people living.
If people did not believe in nothing they would totally give up on everything.
I have been curious when God made man, and woman where the spirit and soul came from. Man was made in Gods' image, came from the ground "dirt, clay, ashes or what ever" and breath of life was breathed into him by God. Where did mans' soul come from, and how could it sin against or disobey Gods orders if God saw what he made and created was good? Why did their even have to be a tree of knowlege of good and evil in the Garden of Eden? The existance of man, animals, the world had to come in play some how, and that some how is the creation. Survival means of food, water, and other materials, as well as knowlege to survive has been installed in man and animal as instinct or intuition. Laws and rules have been placed on mans concious as good and bad behavior and the ability to rule, govern, or have control over all other living things known of in the world. This creation is given the (a) name "GOD". When I am down, sad, or heavy burden, and I cry, or pray to "OUR" God for forgiveness, help, or a blessing. My burdens is lifted, I feel better, and I can move on and accept the hard times. My concious was equipped with this as a form of survival for me, giving me belief in my creator, my God, who obviously is my Lord and Savior. Even with out the bible, what I just said, man would come to realize if they stopped and think about it. If you live long enough you will also realize that "Good brings about good, and Bad brings about bad". There are plenty evil in the world, but their is also good in the world too. You have a choice of how you want to live, your conscious was equipped with it. If that is superstitious then we all are superstitious, and I do not have a problem with it. Imagineary friends are considered superstition too.
Since Miss America has bigoted ideals then she should accept the score she received because of her bigoted ideals and quit crying about it.-- Posted by rickylane on Wed, Apr 22, 2009, at 6:02 AM
should only those people who disagree with you have there speech censored or have we just thrown that whole freedom of speech thing out. Also, If the only reaction to bad behaviour is forgiveness, why do we have jails?
Since Miss America has bigoted ideals then she should accept the score she received because of her bigoted ideals and quit crying about it.
-- Posted by rickylane on Wed, Apr 22, 2009, at 6:02 AM
No sir, or ma'am I think that the bigot here is you. Christianity is not the one on trial here. If you believe in God or not, is within each individual person to decide. And this very strong woman is not crying about losing the crown, she is seeing it for what it is to her, that God has another plan for her; the one crying was Mr. Perez.
What is being assaulted here is a persons right to have an opinion and being able to express that opinion with out fear of retribution. She said nothing in her statement that the majority of people of her state, California, didn't feel as their own conviction. Other wise Gay marriage would still be legal in the state. I dare say that if it were voted on her in this state, or even Bedford county alone the same result would happen. This is not about gay rights, this is about freedom of beliefs and speech without fear. If you don't want someone's true opinion don't ask for it. However when they give it, except it as that individuals, agree with it or not, and move on. No one has the right to impose their opinion as the only one. And she did not impose upon anyone, she spoke her mind, and her beliefs and nothing more.
Like all self-righteous you only read the words you want and leave out the rest. Read all of my blogs then comment. But I figure you will not. I say equality for all as Christ said. Treat your brother with love. Do not judge your brother for there is no power on earth that has the power or right to judge what is in a man's heart. If someone sins then they will be judged in the final days but not by you or me. If you truly believe and know your bible then you should practice what you have learned. I will not judge a man by God's law for it is not within my power or duty to do so; it is only my duty to pray for him!
At least she spoke what she believed and did not give into the status quo!
Not everyone is considered "my brother or sister" if you are in Christ then you are.
Once again I will reiterate, Christianity, is not what I am speaking of in my statement. So get your facts straight. I am speaking of her right to speak freely, and not be judged a bigot, or have I miss quoted you again. I do believe that is the phrase you used. Seems there is a bit of judgment in that statement. rickylane, if standing up for the first amendment is right wing then so be it.
Times may be changing but God and his word stays the same then, today and forever.
Hey the bible does teach not to judge others for we will be judged, but it does teach us to judge the mans sins and the fruit of his labor. He also teaches us to love all as he does, but he does theach us to hate the sin that that man commits.
she did not "lose" because of her answer. she lost because she was asked that question. no matter what she answered, half the judges were guaranteed to disagree with it.
it really was not an appropriate question for a beauty pageant.
she did not "lose" because of her answer. she lost because she was asked that question. no matter what she answered, half the judges were guaranteed to disagree with it.
it really was not an appropriate question for a beauty pageant.
-- Posted by lazarus on Wed, Apr 22, 2009, at 8:07 PM
You are dead on target.
The question was very inappropiate to be asked at a beauty pagent. Miss California was asked the question and answered it honestly. She did not even ask for anyone to agree with her, she just gave her opinion.
Hey the bible does teach not to judge others for we will be judged, but it does teach us to judge the mans sins and the fruit of his labor. He also teaches us to love all as he does, but he does theach us to hate the sin that that man commits.
-- Posted by darmstrong on Wed, Apr 22, 2009, at 6:38 PM
You are very right with that comment, especially the last sentence.
A persons "belief" or "opinion" is their own, no one elses. And it is not considered judging. She gave her opinion on an "Action", not a person themself. This action consist of same sex marriage. It was not out of "hate" it was out of something she did not feel was right, appropriate, or the "Norm". She judged no one.
Mr Perez, has a website:
http://perezhilton.com/
Which was formerly PageSixSixSix.com (sounds like anti-christ to me) does things out of evil intent. He also called her a ugly word, "B", "A Female Dog in the mean term", because he did not like what she said. He thinks her opinions gets in the way of his rights. He is the one you should be referring to as Judgemental of others.
I rarely (never) watch a beauty pageant looking for enlightening answers to America's problems. Gracious, remember when we all thought they(pageants) were demeaning to women. Say what you need to say, but be prepared to accept the consequences of what you say. We have free speech, but there is no such thing as consequence-free speech. That's why a lot of folks hide behind handles (CB speech for your internet identity). So as not to be labeled by my own statement, this is Neal Gordon. Have a great day!! To each his own.
Neal,
I think you are right on target. I think most guys watch to look at the pretty girls(nothing wrong with that) and most girls watch to see the fashions. A beauty pagent should not have politics involved in it at all, it should just be what it is, a beauty pagent.
A persons "belief" or "opinion" is their own, no one elses. And it is not considered judging. She gave her opinion on an "Action", not a person themself. This action consist of same sex marriage. It was not out of "hate" it was out of something she did not feel was right, appropriate, or the "Norm". She judged no one.
Posted by Momof3&3step&1gran on Thu, Apr 23, 2009, at 11:40 AM
Momof3&3step&1gran,
Glad to see more like you that can grasp the difference between judging a person versus judging an action or sin.
You have said it exactly like it is.
A beauty pageant being applauded for morals? Am I the only one who sees the irony?
It wasn't so long ago, that Christians where preaching on the UNmoral practices of these women and their staff, family, etc.
I think it is a safe bet if a piece of poo where to somehow speak and say that homosexuality is wrong or endorse any one of your other anti-humanist beliefs we would see a campaign not to flush toilets and a message board here slamming anyone who did.
And many of you wonder why anyone would question your beliefs?
And many of you wonder why anyone would question your beliefs?
-- Posted by Runnin' By on Thu, Apr 23, 2009, at 5:06 PM
Who said pageants were unmoral? I didnt. Also what anti-humanist beliefs do christians have, and how is being against homosexuality anti-humanist.
Did you even think when you typed what you wrote or are you just another person who doesnt understand christianity? Im sick of people being able to take stands on any issues no matter how far out there or perverted,and they will be applauded, but take a stand on the side of morality or christianity and watch out. Its ridiculous.
The woman was asked her opinion on a question that involved one's own personal beliefs and she gave an honest answer and stated it was her own personal belief and that was all. If today's government could only be so honest then our society would definitely be better than it is.
I don't care what her answer is . . . she was going to upset one side or the other but as long as she answered honestly then she can live with herself and should care less what some pathetic person like Perez Hilton (whose comments on his own blog about the situation have shown his utter lack of maturity on the issue and taken away any value his cause might have had) or person on this blog.
I may disagree with her opinion but I respect her for her honesty and the way she handled a difficult situation.
http://www.onenewsnow.com/Legal/Default....
This link may not be a beauty pageant , but it does add to the same scenario, freedom of speech only if you are from the liberal point of view.
Most folks say " as long as it happens somewhere else" well it is getting close to home.
This is giving me a inspiration for a parody of a classic country song, more later.
Whatever? I'm still going to make fun of gay people.
Also what anti-humanist beliefs do Christians have, and how is being against homosexuality anti-humanist. -- Greasemonkey
Christian Anti-Humanist Views:
Disregard of the scientific method and the active promotion of Intelligent Design and Young Earth theories.
Pessimistic (and sometimes dangerous) views of humans who take a stand outside Christianity. In particular, the damming a group of people based on their beliefs, such as homosexuals, Muslims, Hindu's, Jews, etc.
Obstructing any individual's ability to lead a happy life; such as defining marriage based solely on your beliefs.
Accepting and passing on theological justifications for unjust acts against other humans, such as war and violence on non-Christians.
These are just a few.
For the record I have taken a stand for morality. I am a Humanist and I do think. I understand Christianity quite well as a former member.
I think that you are the one that didn't think before you posted your response. Maybe you misunderstood what Anti-Humanism means?
As far as morals go, they are like beauty. It's all in the eye of the beholder. Just because you base your morals on theological text and I base mine on the dignity and worth of all people doesn't make one set of beliefs non morals.
Maybe you are someone who only reads blogs and post 'ridiculous' comments. Read a book from time to time, for Goodness sakes.
I consider myself quite well read having been a humanist before I was a Christian. Actually I still am a humanist of sorts. In fact God is the original humanist. After all he chose to make us in his own image. The problem is we could not do honor to that image on our own and so we became corrupt images. Christianity is about giving us a way to re assume his image. Just because some only put a facade over the corrupt image and continue to live corrupt lives does not mean that others are not loving Christians. Your hubris is no less offensive than that of Christians who continue to corrupt God's image.
No, morals are not in the eye of the beholder. That would be personal preferences. Try building a society on those and see what you get.
You may consider yourself well read, but that doesn't make it true.
You can't be a Humanist and a Christian. That's like being a round peg and square peg all at once.
You obviously missed that book. Humanism is an organization. Much like Southern Baptist are a organization, of course in this case without the acceptance of a deity or supernatural forces.
Morals are by definition, the judgment of the balance between right and wrong. You, as a Christian, believe that having more than one wife is immoral. That same statement doesn't hold true in other parts of the world. In that part of the world it is NOT immoral.
So I would say, I believe there are many types of societies built upon morals that differ from yours.
There is no universal guideline, no master template to a person's morals -- no black and no white. Most people base their sense of morals on a belief system. In this area of the country, I do think that many Christians fail to grasp this point.
Most people, and it is done to them at a young age, are taught that this or that is right or wrong, or moral or immoral, and that is that. There is no other alternative. It is a very difficult chain to break free.
Maybe you don't read too well. I was merely word playing with the term humanist. Although at one time I was actually one, I would certainly not want to go back down that road again. No, humanism is not an organization its more like a philosophy or an ethical framework for understanding human morality and truth, although humanists might belong to some organization espousing these views.
If you would read a little deeper into the definition of morality you would find that it is much more that a way of determining right or wrong. In its larger sense morality is a way of arriving at some common agreed upon societal rules of conduct. The more agreement within a society about what these rules are the more cohesive the society will be - not good or bad just cohesive.
I understand perfectly well that there are different belief systems that generate different moralities. What you don't understand is that there is only one that works for the greatest good.
Maybe you don't read too well. I was merely word playing with the term humanist. -- devan
It is easy to argue in hindsight, my friend.
I'm a member of the American Humanist Association and there is a British one as well. But, I must have just imagined this.
There are other secular organizations as well that embrace the Humanist way of life. If your interested, there are several books online to be found. I recommend Humanism as the Next Step by Lloyd Morain or The Portable Atheist by Christopher Hitchens for free thinkers.
A persons opinion isn't "Law", and therefore is not obstructing anyones ability of living a happy life, or anyones rights, as Perez Hilton puts' it. He is obviously a Paris Hilton wanna be, he should love himself and be himself. If God aloud everyone to marry the same sex, man would decease to exist. He said be fruitful, and multiply. Not be fruity! That also comes to me as spread my word and multiply Gods people (His believers) Fishers of men. Being servants of God. I'm just telling it like it is. Don't mean no disrespect. But animals, man, nature, reproduction has to exist with male and female. There are some animals or insects that have the reproduction capabilities in themselves. But man was not equipped with that. God gave Adam, Eve for that.
Also Humanisticly that is Human nature too.
Man + woman = Existance, Population, Human Life.
But man + man = nonexistance; or woman + woman = nonexistance.
He said be fruitful, and multiply. Not be fruity!
Posted by Momof3&3step&1gran on Fri, Apr 24, 2009, at 11:45 PM
Now, now, now Momof3&3step&1gran.
Let's watch our talk of frooty tooty.
Don't you know you will be condemned for telling it like it is? :))
To all you so called athiests out there it is said in the Bible "Afool says there is no God." I believe we as believers should call them what god called them and that is fools and quite catering to them and their terminolagy.
Maybe you are someone who only reads blogs and post 'ridiculous' comments. Read a book from time to time, for Goodness sakes.-- Posted by Runnin' By on Fri, Apr 24, 2009, at 2:24 PM
I don't make comments or voice an opinion on anything that I haven't studied thoroughly. Just because my views do not line up with yours does not make my points any less valid. I have read many many books and have studied Hitchens. I haven't seen any valid arguments from him, although I admit he is quite brilliant.
I also do not see how christians have abandoned the scientific method I study science on a regular almost daily basis. I do this in preparation for a class I am going to be teaching in the near future. I also have yet to see any arguments that would disprove young earth creation, and to not see validity in intelligent design is just not seeing the facts.
I have never intentionally obstructed someone from persuing hapiness nor have I started any wars that I can recollect.I also haven't seen these roving bands of violent rascist christians running around. Nor have I commited any acts of violence against anyone based on their religion, race or sexual persuasion. So I'm not sure where your coming up with these ideas.
If I come across as pessimistic (where you come up with dangerous, I don't know) towards others it is out of love. I know the truth and just want to share that truth with others. If they reject that truth I still have done my job and presented them with the facts as I see them. There is no harm in presenting people with a different viewpoint, is that not what you are trying to do?
Marriage has to be defined or else you will have people marrying animals or people marrying they're cars there's no limit to where it would stop.
You really don't know me so before you do, don't pass judgement. I am not the closed minded bigot you are trying to portray me as. I have come to my beliefs through careful study and most importantly prayer.
Marriage has to be defined or else you will have people marrying animals or people marrying they're cars there's no limit to where it would stop.
Posted by greasemonkey on Sat, Apr 25, 2009, at 6:42 PM
Don't give em any ideas greasemonkey.
I am going to blame you the first time I see a man going down the road mounted to the tailpipe of a car. :)))
Make sure the car comes to a stop before you throw the water on him.
Now, now, now parkerbrothers. : )
ROFCRYING!!!
I just couldn't resist that one.
On a more serious note I would like to say that the lady contestant should not have been penalized nor ridiculed by her answer that was nothing more than an expression of her beliefs and millions of other Americans who value the institution of marriage remaining in the context in was given by God.
I am going to have to agree with her on the issue of marriage being between one man and one woman during this current dispensation of time.
In this next age that I believe might be due up in about 3 years, who knows what will be the desire of our Maker? He seems to have given a clue that there will be no marriage in it other than the spiritual marriage of the Bridegroom with His Bride (Church).
You really don't know me so before you do, don't pass judgment. I am not the closed minded bigot you are trying to portray me as. I have come to my beliefs through careful study and most importantly prayer. -- greasemonkey
Thant's fine, but you were the one who passed judgment on me first.
"Did you even think when you typed what you wrote or are you just another person who doesn't understand Christianity?" -- greasemonkey
Also, I was speaking of Christianity in general not you. I never once in my post said YOU supported this war or any accused you of any of the points I listed.
Believe it or not, I wasn't focusing in you in particular. I just feel it is fair to let everyone know there are other people, perhaps your friends and neighbors, who have different viewpoints, and are not crazy, satanic, or dumb as many people tend to portray them.
Check out CounterKnowledge by Damian Thompson for a good start to seeing serious arguments against Young Earth and Intelligent Design. He doesn't provide enough info to refute these claims himself in the book (sadly), but provides a wealth of references to documents and other studies that support his views. Many of these can be found free online or in a larger, public library.
I know tons of people who have different viewpoints than mine. I don't judge them on there views, but I will explain why I think they may be wrong. I don't believe people are dumb who have different views or beliefs. I admit I get a little passionate about my beliefs, and do not intentionally want to come across as mean. Its hard to portray emotion across a computer.
I came to study young earth creatio out of sceptical curiosity. The more I studied all sides and views of creation I've found young earth creation to make a lot more sense than the others. Since then I have become fascinated by science and creation.
But...the bottom line is this girl was judged unfairly based on her beliefs and that is a crying shame.
Or will it be the start of the new beginning?
Or is it both?
Or could it be neither?
a judge with some common sense, can you believe it?
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,5188...
Huck spoke his beliefs, morals and or opinion, should he be imprisoned? or just chastised by some liberal abortion supporting and homosexual supporting activist, Bring em on!
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,5188...
Vanity, regardless if you're a believer or non-believer, is a deadly trait. Miss California should have taken this defeat as a lesson regardless of how she lost. (I still say she lost because Miss North Carolina is a knock-out, but I'm biased to all things Southern!)
Instead she tried to turn this into something more than just a personal stand, and tried to make it more about her - mixed with some bitterness. (Although I'm sure she was pushed by others shamelessly promoting their own agenda).
This morning she learned a new lesson.
What was it that our grandmothers use to say? Make sure your own stable is clean before bashing someone else's? Or something like that?
Reality has a way of slapping those in the face who try to capitalize by standing on the throat of others.
I hope she doesn't miss this lesson and she can move on with her life.
http://rawstory.com/08/blog/2009/05/05/n...
Morals... so long as your "straight" huh? Lol
Boy she sure did stand by her morals showing off her boobs, didn't she?
It has just come to light that Abraham had an affair, although approved by his wife, and produced a child out of wedlock, news report states that Moses killed a man.
King David had an affair, produced a child or several and even had the husband of his lover killed.
Nobody said Christians were perfect we are just saved.
Nobody said Christians were perfect we are just saved.
-- Posted by michaelbell on Wed, May 6, 2009, at 4:48 AM
And therefore, hypocrites. You shrug one thing off as "well she's saved, but not perfect" and others issues which don't require God's approval, i.e. marriage (gay or straight) somehow gets all this hostility. Talk about morality on one hand and make excuses for on the other? Pathetic. How about the fact that the pageant itself paid for her implants?
Seriously. Why didn't they ask her a question about undergoing cosmetic surgery, because she didn't think God gave her what she needed?
And if marriage is truly so religious and divinely inspired, then why do we allow atheist to get married?
How HILARIOUS is it that little miss "christianity and little miss morals" was taking NUDE PHOTOS? Talk about being a hypocrite!!!!
I thought the photos were from a job she had for a lingerie company.
Was she actually nude? This is the first place I have heard that.
I myself didnt like the idea of beauty pageants anyway, so the jump from bikini to partially nude didnt really affect me. Besides, I believe the issue was she was ridiculed and lost the contest because of her beliefs, basically a freedom of speech/ideas issue at its core. What would you have to say had she lost after stating she was in full agreement with homosexual marriage? I am betting there would be some outrage then.
You're right. I think that is why it was literally a no-win question she was asked.