If you truly don't believe homosexuality is a choice, and believe they are born that way, then it must be caused by an aberrant genetic pattern much like cystic fibrosis or muscular dystrophy.

That being the case wouldn't the prudent course of action be to search for a cure for this terrible disease instead of celebrating it as some sort of "enlightened" lifestyle?

...our most common right is the right to life and the pursuit of happiness.

Posted by jaxspike on Wed, Apr 29, 2009, at 7:50 PM

I don't think the framers of the Constitution intended it to be a "no holes barred" priviledge.

That should have been a "no holds barred". The d and the e are mighty close together for my clumsy hands.

So you believe someone has the right to walk up to a gay person on the street and call them derogatory names and the gay person is suppose to stand there and just take it? How would you feel if someone did the same to Christians or what about your own children?

No one is trying to deny your right to religious beliefs and what you can preach in church . . . what they are trying to do is keep people from taking it to the extreme and harass people and harassment can come in verbal form.

I don't believe this bill would keep any preacher from speaking against homosexuality in church. You would still be able to speak against homosexuality in your church. A legitimate secular news source might explain the law a bit better.

I think this a good thing. If you read about Matthew Shepard's murder or the Teena Brandon murder, you will see they were targeted simply because of their sexual orientation. Targeting someone because of a difference is a hate crime.

Some of those people who are transgendered are truly both genders, according to their DNA. Are they supposed to be alone for the rest of their live simply because of a biological mistake when they were being formed in their mother's womb? What if their parents picked the wrong gender for them when they were born? How are they to know which gender is the right one? I can't condemn someone in that position, and you don't know how many transgendered are going through that.

I was taught judge not for ye shall be judged, and it's not our place to judge anyone.

I said it MIGHT effect the clergy , bot that it would, you know how some lawyers and judges will see dollar signs because of this.

Mu girls and me do get called derogatory names and insulted for our beliefs ,and we just ignore them.

No I don't believe should go up and insult anyone, but it is a fact of life, some people will.

They already have laws against assault, why make it against certain groups.

they say we are all one then why does the law have to classify?

You say I should watch a more secular news source, thanks but no thanks.

What happened to Shepard was wrong and the guilty should be punished!

I did not mean to cast your verbal opinion to them!

I agree totally.

I am really tired of hearing about this topic. Yes, I agree that homosexuality is wrong, but Christians hate on these people more than nonchristians. As children of God, we are called to love. The word tells us to hate the sin and to love the sinner, and we would rather beat down other people instead of trying show them love. God is our only judge when all is said and done. So judge not others who fall short, but build them up so they can see their shortcomings. Dont get me wrong, I dont condone to the notion of homosexuals getting married but we should not seperate them from our society, because that does not help our cause as Christians. We still get judged because we worship something we cannot physically see(even though we know He is there). All I am trying point out is kill these people with kindness and love,agape love, you know the love that Christ shows us everyday, then we can say that we are trying to make a difference.

Ok, that is just disturbing and to lump many of those with others is just flat out wrong! I mean really, how can they group heterosexuals and homosexuals with pedophiles, incest, and bestiality among others?

Now I need to go sanitize my brain after that.

Evilmonkey,

Good to see you back where you belong.

I have missed picking at you.

Did you and John Carney kiss and make up? :-)))

evil monkey are you really dumb enough to think that the APA's definition of "sexual orientation" is going to suddenly make necrophilia a federally protected right?

Good post quietmike. You bring up a great point on how morals are always sitting on slippery slope and gradually slide down hill.

They slide slowly and gently until good is replaced with bad and Godly is replaced with Evil.

Actually and unfortunately all the above are skillful qualities of the Deceptor. He buys his tools from the old company of Time Inc.

Sodom and Gommorah did not just wake up one day and see their name on the map. Deception slowly crept in and eventually named the place for the map. Hopefully you know the rest of the story.... God took it off the map.

everyone uses the phrase, "it is unconstitutional"

Posted by michaelbell on Sat, May 2, 2009, at 7:28 AM

Are you suprised? I'm not. Sounds almost like something a modern day "Eve" would say after listening to her decepting advisor out in the garden.

We give Satan an open door when we focus on our "wants" instead of letting God provide our "needs".

A long time ago Eve said she "wanted" to eat of the tree.

A long time ago God told her she did not "need" to eat of the tree.

Any questions???

The framers of the Constitution were God fearing Christians and wrote the Constitution in harmony with the Bible.

God gave each of us a "free will" to be what we want to be and live the way we want to as long as we Love God and love our neighbor as we love ourselves. We are no longer under the law but under the grace of God. The law is for the lawless, not the righteous.

The framers of the Constitution wrote it in the same manner: We the People may do anything we want to do as long as we don't injury anyone or do property damage or infringe on other peoples rights.

The Constitution guarantees us the right to enjoy our lives without the Government interfering with our life and right to live in peace.

The Government only has authority over the people of the states as defined in Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution. It even limits the Governments jurisdiction to Washington, DC; the U.S. Territories and Possessions (referred to sometimes as "States". These Untied States of America are "states".); and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;

These do NOT include the 50 Sovereign states, but only Federal Territories.

Citizens of the 14th Amendment owe their citizenship to the US Government so they are under its exclusive jurisdiction and under the Jurisdiction of the State and Territory in which they reside. The US Government and State Governments has complete jurisdiction over these 14th amendment citizens without all the constitutional restrictions and limitations.

However Congress and all the state legislators are bound by the constitutional restrictions and limitations when legislating for the people of the states. Every Court and Judge is bound by the constitution as long as you don't waive your rights because it is the supreme law of the land.

In short, all the Federal Laws that congress passes, applies only in Federal Land and Territories, military bases, etc..

Further more, no state can make any laws respecting the establishment of any religion. So the state can't make any laws that would apply to the churches and any Federal laws would only apply to federal territories. Anything an "established" church reads or teaches in their church, can not be legislated by any state law and Federal laws don't apply unless in a federal territory like a military base or the preacher is a federal citizen.

Also, because Congress is bound by the Constitutional restrictions and limitations, it must pass laws that don't take any rights away from the people regardless of race, color, sex, or sexual preferences of the People of the states. The Constitution, Like God, allows the people the freedom of choosing of their own "free will" the pursuit of happiness. Congress must protect that right for you and any homosexual, lesbian or murderer until a tort is committed.

Our country is the only country that has a Constitution that protects the people who are the sovereignty in this country. No other country has that sovereign right handed to the people.

The Government didn't give us these rights. We were endowed by our creator with these rights and they can never be taken away or traded, if we stand up for our rights. Fourteenth amendment citizen weren't endowed with these rights. They were given limited rights and civil rights by our U.S. Central Government, giving them exclusive jurisdiction over these federal citizens.

So, the big bad woof and their Federal Laws don't apply to the churches and States can not make any laws respecting the establishment of a religion.

So the Hate Crime law, HR-1913 means... WHAT?

Wouldn't that eventually include people talking hateful about anything, not just persons? Like GOD; Jehovah Witnesses; the Bible; the President; the Government; The driver in the car ahead of you;

They just need to enforce the laws they already have; no discriminating against blacks, people of other nationalities, women, old people, fat people, ugly dogs, drunk drivers against mad moms, and anger management courses.

The Hate Crime Bill is just a step in the wrong direction to take away your freedom of speech, because people are still going to talk and nothing will change except people getting arrested for talking hateful.

Look around! Only the Anti-christ will be able to straighten everything out. It's getting closer!

heterosexuality/homosexuality=two consenting adults

pedophilia=an adult and a minor who cannot consent

necrophilia=a person who can consent and a corpse who cannot consent (although, in Germany, someone expressed his consent to be killed and sexually used thereafter, but i digress)

bestiality=a person who can consent and an animal that cannot

that's sort of how i see things... those are the philosophical underpinnings on why i don't really agree that homosexuality and necrophilia or pedophilia are comparable. it all hinges on the consent of both parties.

if you want to analyze it from a feminist perspective, you can plainly argue that, due to the traditional gender roles that people in our society prescribe to and are often indoctrinated with from an early age (is it REALLY appropriate to give a little girl babies and strollers when she's a toddler? aren't you, to some degree, sexualizing the little girl and training her to simply have kids?), that women don't really consent with a full perspective when they engage in heterosexual relationships, since they are indoctrinated from an early age that they HAVE to have kids and that their place is in the home.

i don't really expect you guys to get that argument, since you're comparing necrophilia to homosexuality, but i feel like you should at least be exposed to an honest argument.

i don't really expect you guys to get that argument, since you're comparing necrophilia to homosexuality, but i feel like you should at least be exposed to an honest argument.

-- Posted by iheartlanekiffin on Sat, May 2, 2009, at 6:34 PM

Homosexuality is an disease that causes abnormal sexual behavior.Whether it is a behavioral disorder or a genetic one may be up for debate, but it is a disease either way. To try and describe it any other way is intellectually dishonest.

Would you care to debate the issue, or just stick with smart alec comments?

A little common sense goes a long way.

Especially with what is natural.

dis·ease

Pronunciation:

\di-ˈzēz\

Function:

noun

Etymology:

Middle English disese, from Anglo-French desease, desaise, from des- dis- + eise ease

Date:

14th century

1obsolete : trouble

2: a condition of the living animal or plant body or of one of its parts that impairs normal functioning and is typically manifested by distinguishing signs and symptoms : sickness, malady

3: a harmful development (as in a social institution)

-- dis·eased Listen to the pronunciation of diseased \-ˈzēzd\ adjective

Look at the second entry for the definition of disease...A condition that impairs normal functions.

Considering the fact that the most basic function of ANY living organism is reproduction, and the fact that there is no homosexual reproduction, it is a disease.

Sorry, Evil, my point was that I looked through the entire text of the only bill I could find and saw no mention of anything other than "sexual orientation," which, to me and probably 90% of America, equates to hetero, bi, or homosexual.

Quietmike I'm going to have to ask you to explain the philosophical underpinnings of how prostitution and homosexuality are even remotely similar.

I'd like you to go in-depth, point by point, because you sound pretty far out there.

That's also an old list of mental disorders from the American Psychiatric Association. They removed homosexuality from that list in 1973.

Posted by Richard on Sun, May 3, 2009, at 4:23 AM

Richard,

Our maker, our creator, our designer...... has not removed it from "the" list of disorders.

He never removed fornication and adultery either and it is quite evident how it has become a norm instead of an oddity.

As someone, I think quitemike, discussed in another post that moral relativism always spirals downward is evident.

It all happens at such a slow pace through the use of time that even the most moral become unaware of the change within even theirselves. Time absorbs the shock factor and fades it. Time allows the unacceptable to become the acceptable.

Time works on morals much like time works on the canyons and riverbeds. It erodes it all downstream a little a time, grain of sand by grain of sand until your boat will not float down the old river channel you knew years ago.

I have found only the ever flowing river of Faith to be consistant and safely navigable. Perhaps it is because it flows upstream.

What is funny is, that I have a lot of end times movies and they portray the Christians as always being in the way and not allowing what they[the liberals] call progress to take place.

The character of the the Antichrist puts the label of "haters on them.

True Christians will not condone violence against any of the ones listed on the hate crime bill, it is just that Christians who believe the Bible to be the inerrant Word of God[ which I am one] wants to lead as many people to Christ as we can, and that is by the Bible.

So I guess I will be labeled a hater for if the world hates me it is because they hated him first, the him being Jesus Christ!

Maybe the directors of those movies knew something.

I don't understand why we need a hate crimes bill. We have laws in place against attacking someone. We have laws against murder. If a gay man is murdered because he is gay does not make him deader than anyone else that is murdered. We have laws in place to prosecute and incarcerate those who would do bodily harm or murder. This bill is being passed to appease the gay and lesbian special interest groups. Political favor is all it is.

Richard,

I found out where I got the list, it was the transcript from one of the Senators. It was read off to the Congress. Because sexual orientation was not defined under the Constitution.

quietmike,

No idea why prostitution has anything to do with sexual orientation. I don't understand why you think drug dealers have anything to do with sexual orientation. Again, what does assault and harassment have to do with sexual orientation. Remember this bill covers Heterosexuality as well.

Therefore, if a group of homosexuals beats the crap out of you because you don't do as they do. You feel they should get the same punishment as if they beat up another homosexual? It is already this way for race-related hate crimes, why not sexual orientation?

The problem is, there should be no protection under illegal activities, like the pedophilia, bestiality, voyeurism etc.