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Rewriting America
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Is it not funny that with the exception of Iowa that all the states that allow and even relish in the fact that they are the ones leading the way in gay marriage are the ones from where this nation started? The states from whence this nation started are going against all biblical foundations whatsoever! God is a natural God ,and same sex involvement goes against laws of any kind except man's. Seems as America is being rewritten into the whore of Babylon that the Book of Revelation talks about, though I think Obama is holding the reigns. He stated that we were not a Christian nation and backs it up by not acknowledging the national day of prayer. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/05/... We may not be a Christian nation, but we are going to fight till the bitter end [ or until we go in the rapture] to keep biblical morals as much as we can. Now is the time for Christians to put aside petty difference and unite as one Spirit with one Voice with one Goal and that is to keep the Bible as our moral guideline and to keep preaching the unadulterated Word of God until he sees fit to call us home and put a end to all this evil that Satan is sending through the world. That day is coming soon , sooner than we all think, I will leave with a question that I was asked Sunday at church, my answer was a loud yes, what is yours? ARE YOU READY? Comments Showing comments in chronological order [Show most recent comments first] |
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really. how outrageous.
what sort of country is it, when it wont impose your version of christianity on the whole population...
maybe it is the same sort of country that wont impose my version of christianity on you.
our versions don't mean spit! the version Christ intended is what matters.
This probably does of doesn't have anything to do with the blog, but you remember how Miss California was so staunch with her morals and how she was against gay marriage? She wasn't so staunchly against posing nude now was she? Is that Irony or just Karma at its best? Hmmm....maybe she is the Whore of Babylon, just a thought....
Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814
And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerve in the brain of Jupiter. But may we hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this most venerated reformer of human errors.
-Thomas Jefferson, Letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823
It is between fifty and sixty years since I read it,the Apocalypse, and I then considered it merely the ravings of a maniac, no more worthy nor capable of explanation than the incoherences of our own nightly dreams.
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to General Alexander Smyth, Jan. 17, 1825
This coming from our founding father...not a christian nation, I still cannot fathom for even a second why a man (you Michael Bell) that claims to be "straight" is still so obsessed with Gays and lesbians. It's actually scary and I will hold to my opinion that, given time, I will see you standing beside the road protesting a homosexuals funeral and praising his death. Because that is after all, What Jesus Would Do isn't it?
Michael
Of course, your right, to be indignant, but, it is also the right of the religiously persecuted, who suffer indignation, for not having the same value system, or freedoms you have.
I know of no laws that require Governmental officials, regardless of thier beliefs, to attend, perform for, or approve, any religious ceremony, or activity, while they are performing the functions of thier office.
The only rejection, I felt today, came from Hawaii, where thier legislature, sent a bill for signature to thier Govenor, which proclaims September 24th, 2009 as Islam Day. This too, is in thier right, as a state. I prefer separation of "Religion and State" and personally disapprove honoring any religion by the state.
Peace
michael grow up. this stuff is getting so old.
you are obsessed with gay people. please get over it.
everyone knows you are wrong. everyone posts evidence showing you that you are wrong. you seriously have some cognitive dissonance because all of the evidence smacking you in the face means nothing to you. all you spout about is jesus and the bible and some vague passages that have been translated over and over about two dudes who like each other.
this blog hurts my brain it is so dumb sometimes.
i think this is the last time i'm going to read about your homosexual obsessive compulsive disorder. go get some help. this isn't some crazy atheist christian persecutor telling you this. i'm just a normal dude who cannot understand your obsession with homosexuality. is this like some freudian repression you have going on? are you actually gay but you cannot come to terms with it so you constantly write about gay people and how much you think they are against your god to justify you not acting on your latent homosexuality?
that's really what it sounds like at this point.
If that is what you want to think, we will see come a Judgment Day!
If that is what you want to think, we will see come a Judgment Day!
He stated that we were not a Christian nation and backs it up by not acknowledging the national day of prayer.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/05/...
michaelbell
I can't see where you got that from this article. He will acknowledge the day, just not in the way that some would like.
My views on his Christianity comes from other things he has said and imposed so far, this was just icing on the cake.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/05/...
What about a National Christian Day or a National Jewish Day?, you say separation of church and state, but not Mosque and state it seems.
it may just be a state recognized day now. but then again ?
For those who hold up separation of church and state, I have to ask a question or two.
What about Federal employees getting paid days off for Christmas and Easter?
What about Federal buildings (banks, post office, library, etc.) being closed on Sunday?
Where is the "outrage" over these obvious religious observances?
So many of these comments want to point the finger at other people. Grow up spiritually people! Our fight is not with flesh and blood.....remember?
aw, disturbia, everyone quotes jefferson. thats way too easy. what about the other founding fathers? say someone more pro-christianity like james madison, who said; "the number, the industry and the morality of the priesthood, and the devotion of the people has been manifestly increased by the total separation of church & state."
ok, maybe madison wasnt so good, but we can always rely on the sagacity of ben franklin, who said; "when a religion is good, i conceive it will support itself; and when it does not support itself, and god does not take care to support it, so that its professors are obliged to call for the help of a civil power, it is a sign, i apprehend, of its being a bad one."
whoa, whoa, doesnt seem like old bf gets it. maybe we'll get a better take from the one they call the father of our country, george washington himself, who said; "the government of the united states is not, in any sense, founded on the christian religion..."
ok. those didnt turn out so well, disturbia. but i am sure there is some support for michaelbell's revised history where the u.s. is created as a christian nation. maybe i should stick with jefferson. sure he said those quotes you gave, but he also said; "i do not find in our particular superstition of christianity one redeeming feature... millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of christianity, have been burned, tortured, fined and imprisoned. what has been the effect of this coercion? to make half the world fools and half hypocrites; to support roguery and error all over the world."
hmmm. considering the anti-christian attitudes of the forefathers, maybe michaelbell is a couple of centuries too late. our government seems to be more closely linked to christianity now than it was then.
we are suppose to pray for the sinners and bring them to christ instead of sitting back and focusing on a certain group of people. we are all sinners and we all have to answer to God on judgement day. nobody is perfect. one sin is no worse than another in God's eyes.
Michael,
Enough!!!! Enough from the self-dubbed, enlightenment from the peanut gallery that is chastising you. YOU, my friend, ARE doing what you feel is right. (Me too by-the-way.) Judgment day... OUR GOD is a just GOD. You are doing your part to be a witness for Christ, hence the right thing. The book of Revelations tells us that we are blessed to at least study it, even though it is very complex. Many of the folks blogging back with smack in a feeble attempt to justify a reckless and irresponsible lifestyle will have to live with the decisions they make today- end of story. My heart goes out to you for trying to argue with people who insisting on second guessing The Lord Our God and his son Jesus Christ.
I would tell you that you have done your part famously through your posts in attempting to lead the proverbial horse to water and illustrate certain points. Mike, bless you for your efforts.
(I have to face our God on judgment day so yes this opinion IS warranted. Moreover, I could REALLY care less about ANY condescension towards my two cents worth here. If anyone wants to reply negatively just take your itchy and hostile little sausage fingers off the keyboard cause this is me moving on to the next subject and walking away.)
Regards,
Cornelia.Marie
AKA Gator.Hator
AKA mark.geeting
Bye-bye now.
Haven't had time to really read through this yet but looks like a very interesting timeline of Jefferson's thoughts on the subject of church/state.
http://www.google.com/archivesearch?hl=e...
We have something to fight for and that is our children's future.
No nation has ever existed or been governed without religion. Nor can be. The Christian religion is the best religion that has been given to man and I, as Chief Magistrate of this nation, am bound to give it the sanction of my example. -Thomas Jefferson
One of the beautiful boasts of our municipal jurisprudence is that Christianity is a part of the Common Law. . . . There never has been a period in which the Common Law did not recognize Christianity as lying at its foundations. . . . I verily believe Christianity necessary to the support of civil society.
-Justice Joseph Story
There is no authority, civil or religious -- there can be no legitimate government but what is administered by this Holy Ghost. There can be no salvation without it. All without it is rebellion and perdition, or in more orthodox words damnation
-John Adams
In the chain of human events, the birthday of the nation is indissolubly linked with the birthday of the Savior. The Declaration of Independence laid the cornerstone of human government upon the first precepts of Christianity.
-John Quincy Adams
The great, vital, and conservative element in our system is the belief of our people in the pure doctrines and the divine truths of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
-Congress 1854
I've been wondering about something lately. Why is it that the majority of Christians speak out so strongly against homosexuals when there are other frequent sins they could be speaking out against?
People live together without being married, pre-marital sex, taking the Lord's name in vain, lying, adultery, why not speak out against those things as strongly or even more so than homosexuality? They are probably happening a lot more frequently than homosexuality.
If that is what you want to think, we will see come a Judgment Day! -- Posted by michaelbell
Is that Pride I sense?
'....in all his thoughts there is no room for God.' - From some book we Atheist are suppose to know nothing about.
Greasemonkey,
Don't forget that Thomas Jefferson is generally accepted to have been a Deist. Of course, I would be lying if I said I knew how far he upheld the principles of Deism. But, one of the main tenants of Deism, is the discard of the bible and of the physical church.
Did Jefferson believe this as well? Evidence could be just as strong that he did or that he did not. We will simply never completely know.
Remember, these men are immortalized in statues, holidays, legislation and through money, but they were still politicians during their time.
Their ideas and accomplishments should not be diminished by this fact, but the way they went about achieving them probably hasn't changed much from John Adams time to Barack Obama's time.
People say a lot to get what they want; even if it is what they believe or not.
People will probably be saying the same about George Bush's statements of faith 200 years from now.
As well, please be aware that the quotes posted by Jefferson and both Adams', I believe, were never written in a document at all, or at least not any preserved and authenticated by our government. They were only claimed to have been overheard or said during a political event such as a speech or rally.
These are common quotes that religious critics of the separation of church and state commonly point to as proof our founders would approve of a theocratic state. You can find them on any religiously slanted constitution party website.
The evidence that they were actually spoken by these men is shaky enough; so much so is the Jefferson quote that you could put your own name after the quotation if you wish.
Let's also not forget that Iran, Saudi Arabia, and Israel are theocratic states. Not, in my opinion, the greatest way to model any form of government after.
I've been wondering about something lately. Why is it that the majority of Christians speak out so strongly against homosexuals when there are other frequent sins they could be speaking out against?
People live together without being married, pre-marital sex, taking the Lord's name in vain, lying, adultery, why not speak out against those things as strongly or even more so than homosexuality? They are probably happening a lot more frequently than homosexuality.
-- Posted by tamb on Thu, May 7, 2009, at 3:11 PM
Those sins are just as bad, none worse than the other one. The homosexuality issue is the only one carrying punishment against those who are against it.
"No nation has ever existed or been governed without religion. Nor can be. The Christian religion is the best religion that has been given to man and I, as Chief Magistrate of this nation, am bound to give it the sanction of my example. -Thomas Jefferson"
in context, this was jefferson's answer when he was queried as to why he attended church even tho he "didnt believe a word in it." jefferson did not profess his own belief in christianity.
there can be no doubt that this nation was founded on judeo-christian principles. the key word here is principles. even the atheists among us adhere to judeo-christian principles, because that is the moral basis on which we were raised.
there is, however, a great gulf between basing our laws on judeo christian principles, and writing laws to enforce the specific beliefs of one particular group of christians. even the great michaelbell, self-appointed spokesman for god.
it is my interpretation that the right or wrong of homosexuality is between that person and god. it is not my place to judge them. the right and wrong of a church marrying homosexuals is between that church and god. it is not my place to tell them what to believe. as for the government, their only function in marriage is to apply the contractual obligations regarding such issues as taxation, or the division of property. the government has no right to tell churches whom they must marry, nor whom they cannot marry.
as far as whether homosexuality is a sin or not, i have no opinion. it does not affect me, and is therefore none of my business.
There shouldn't be any doubt from anyone that our country was founded on christian principles. I only added those quotes to show that there isn't any way to know for sure what was written on the founding fathers hearts,because as runnin by stated, politicians say what people "want" to hear. Always have always will. There are to many people who want to abuse quotations by historical figures to further their cause, on all sides. But when you read personal letters to family and friends than you start to see that the vast majority of our founding fathers were christians and our constitution and other founding documents reflect those christian principals.
I do not wish to force my beliefs or religion on anyone, people should be free to choose and worship as they wish. We can still be a christian nation and have people with differing beliefs, that's how this country was founded. I have friends with differing beliefs and friends with no beliefs and that's fine with me. I am sorry that they do not wish to enjoy the fullness life has when you have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. My heart breaks for them knowing they are going to hell, and I will witness to them whenever possible, for that's what I am commanded to do.
But to say that if something doesn't affect me its ok is a sad statement, but one that is very prevalent today. It is my opinion that moral relativism is what is destroying this country. We can be a moral country and still be free, that's a non-issue.
"God is a natural God ,and same sex involvement goes against laws of any kind except man's."
i apologize if i misinterpret, michaelbell, but i take this to be the argument that; since homosexuality does not occur in nature it is unnatural.
the truth is, homosexual behavior is well-documented in nature. it ranges from incidental homosexual behavior in animals just reaching sexual maturity, to animals which engage in homosexual activity due to unavailability of opposite sex partners, to individuals who have simply imprinted on the same gender and engage in the full range of mating behavior for their species with a same gender partner.
this occurs in all species of mammals and birds, and to some extent or another in every animal that reproduces sexually.
in contrast to your statement that it is against all laws except man's, the only species which seems to concern itself with persecuting this sort of behavior is man. i know of no other species that displays an interest in the sexual proclivities of any except potential mates or rivals for those mates.
so if your basis for professing the evil in homosexuality is that it does not occur in nature; you are factually in error.
if your basis is a verse in leviticus; that is a set of laws which you have previously stated does not apply to christians (unless you intend to apply only selected laws chosen by you).
if your basis is the new testament writings of paul; i would remind you that paul believed in absolute celibacy for all christians, something which evidence (your kids) would indicate that you do not practice.
do you have any other basis?
by the way. unlike most of your readers, i have not concluded that your fixation on homosexuality is a result of your inner struggles with your own desires. i believe that you crave attention, and those are the posts that draw the greatest response.
why all the fuss about homosexuals? I have know Gay people that are very good honest and loving people.. some even know Jesus as their savior. Oh yes...I know "christians" that are mean, beat their wives, and have all other manners of sin yet they are the ones that are supposed to be right?? Give me a break.
Jesus does not discriminate and neither does he point fingers.. Yes he is Holy and our sin will find us out. It is the Holy Spirits job to convict of sin.
Not us.
the word states a man comes to repentance through the goodness of God, not our brow beating and pointing fingers...
The best book i have read on this is "When bad Christians happen to good people", i think it aught to be required reading for all new Christians.. What NOT to do..
let it go....and love..
"But to say that if something doesn't affect me its ok is a sad statement"
that is a distortion of what i said. i said it was none of my business. we can be a moral nation, and not stick our nose in other people's business.
if you want to know my opinion, homosexuality is not a moral question, any more than having blue eyes is a moral question. based on the strong evidence available (including the occurence of homesexuality in all species) i believe that it is part of a person's genetic makeup.
many people disagree, and i am not interested in convincing them otherwise. each person must make their own moral decisions, and will not be answering to me for their beliefs.
if your basis is the new testament writings of paul; i would remind you that paul believed in absolute celibacy for all christians, something which evidence (your kids) would indicate that you do not practice.
Posted by lazarus on Thu, May 7, 2009, at 5:16 PM
lazarus,
I have studied Pauls' writings both Biblical and historical and have never been drawn to that conclusion.
How did you arrive at such a conclusion yourself?
Paul said he wished, not desired that everyone should.
That is what I thought.
I think the thrust of his reasoning for wishing this was that an unmarried will care more about pleasing God and the married will care more about pleasing their spouse.
He also recognized that not everyone had the same calling.
1 Corinthians 7, "To the unmarried and the widows I say that it is well for them to remain single as I am. But if they cannot exercise self-control, they should marry. For it is better to marry than to be aflame with passion" (7:8-9).
i dont see the word "wish". i dont see anything about "pleasing their spouse." it says what it says. doesnt require any interpretation.
Paul was (then) what we would call (today) a terrorist. He got his start in "religion" by slaughtering Christians, then imposing on to them, in several letters to various churches, his thoughts about the supposed morality of man. Forgetting the fact that one entire chapter in Romans is about nothing but circumcision, Paul clearly had no business writing any of the New Testament. But then again, the Roman Catholic Church and Constantine held large gatherings and decided what books/gospels/etc should be left in the Bible, taken out, or edited.
Ironically enough all you Christians believe in a man who was not conceived naturally, according to your Bible, and never married, which all of you argue is only between a man and a woman.
Wow, so not only was Jesus not born naturally (HMMM, AGAINST GOD), but he never even showed the SLIGHTEST interest in women? (HMMM, AGAINST GOD) Unless of course you understand that Jesus was also human, and did in fact marry Mary Magdeline (who was not a prostitute, and who had her own gospel)...Seems he set the tone for gay people and fertility clinics, thousands of years ago.
It always bothers me too, that Christians supposedly have this monotheistic approach to God... yet, you break him down into Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.. (Catholic Church), and yet their biggest idol is Mary, the acclaimed virgin mother to Jesus. Is it not ironic that the "Christian" denomination, Catholics, representing 900 million of the 1 billion "Christians" worship at the feet of Mary, not Jesus :)
Nascarfanatic,
Saul was a horrible man, a murderer and persecuter of christians. Then after he met his savior and was converted, Paul became the champion of the gentiles. He brought the gospel to the non-jew and his letters are just as valid and instructional words of god as the rest of the new testament.
You do realize that the entire new testament was put together pretty much as it is now, by about 105ad. Also when you compare the earliest writings of the new testament to the ones we have now they are the same. The new testament is the most proven writing ever in history without compare. To doubt its authenticity is to completly ignore the evidence.
Although I do understand why people want to believe these conspiracy theorys, false gospels and ignore the evidence of the bible. Only when you can make yourself believe these fallacies it gives you an out to believe what you like and deny Christ.
I do believe that the christian community spends way to much time on the homosexual issue. There are more important isues that should command our immediate attention. Issues like putting an immediate halt to murder of innocent children and the destruction of the family. Divorce, adultery it goes on and on, and should start in the church.
What should our focus be as Christians? Should we be concerned about "christianizing america" or should we be concerned about "making disciples"? If we as Christians worked on GO and MAKE DISCIPLES we have a greater chance of allowing for opportunities of change that only God can do. As many have already stated their are many sins that people commit, but by "making disciples" it can change many of the issues pointed out. A favorite blogger of mine made the following statement in a recent blog entry "So we shouldn't worry about trying to Christianize America. We should just be concerned with Christianizing the church." I had not really thought about it until Michael brought it up here and Gen-X Rising brought up a similar topic. I have always and still do feel that Judeo-Christian ethics are the basis of our country, but where should our focus be? I feel that we as Christians do need to be involved in our government, as in voting, possibly holding office (if God leads you in that direction), and praying, but most of all we should be out there making disciples. That is where the greates change can come from.
The homosexual issue is part of the destruction of the family.
i dont see the word "wish". i dont see anything about "pleasing their spouse." it says what it says. doesnt require any interpretation.
-- Posted by lazarus on Thu, May 7, 2009, at 8:59 PM
lazarus,
1 Corinthians 7
32But I would have you without carefulness. He that is unmarried careth for the things that belong to the Lord, how he may please the Lord:
33But he that is married careth for the things that are of the world, how he may please his wife.
Lazarus,
Sorry, I left off one verse. I think it just basically says what is fair for the gander is fair for the goose.
34There is difference also between a wife and a virgin. The unmarried woman careth for the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit: but she that is married careth for the things of the world, how she may please her husband.
Try getting your news froma a reliable source isntead of Fox. Obama observed the National Day of prayer in private, as did the previous presidenets except W., who did it in front of the camera. Isn't there something in the Bible about the false faith of the Pharisee who beats his chest loudly in the middle of the temple?
I like Fox over the rest they are the most non- biased as far as I can see.
"I like Fox over the rest they are the most non- biased as far as I can see."
then you need your eyes checked.
I like Fox over the rest they are the most non- biased as far as I can see.
-- Posted by michaelbell on Fri, May 8, 2009, at 1:38 PM
When you are a conservative FOX appears non-biased because you are looking for liberal slants in other news channels and you will find them. Conservative slants on FOX don't strike you as biased. Same goes for liberals watching MSNBC.
lol michael is out of his mind. fox is non biased?
this puts everything in a proper context for me. next thing you're going to do is bust out some biblical support for fox news.
At least Fox does not kiss the but of Obama , they at least not bas biased as CNN or MSNBC and O'Reilly rocks!
Michael,
How did Fox treat Bush? You know, the guy that shipped billions of dollars a month overseas, who hired contractors without bidding, who GAVE Trillions of dollars to overseas with ZERO accountability?
Obama is spending the money HERE. And now we are having "teaparties" over this NOW?!?! Where were you guys 6 years ago? Ridiculous.
The homosexual issue is part of the destruction of the family.-- Posted by michaelbell on Fri, May 8, 2009, at 6:03 AM
I didn't meanto downplay homosexuality being a big part of the destruction of the family. It plays a huge part.
The homosexual issue is part of the destruction of the family.-- Posted by michaelbell on Fri, May 8, 2009, at 6:03 AM
I didn't meanto downplay homosexuality being a big part of the destruction of the family. It plays a huge part.
-- Posted by greasemonkey on Sat, May 9, 2009, at 11:49 PM
How exactly is homosexuality part of the destruction of family? IF families are destroyed it's usually by infidelity, abuse (physical or mental), arguing over finances, alcohol or drug abuse or someone just plain wants out. I don't see how, if my family was destroyed, it has any thing to do with someone being gay lol...how ludicrous...."oh joe bob next door is gay, there goes my family" LMAO!!!! and homosexuals deciding to marry doesn't affect MY marriage or make it any less of a marriage. You people are simply insane....Centerstone is available when you get ready to seek help for your obsessions with Gays.
LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh this may get censored... if that is the case then so should the blog titled "Hate Crimes.[ Can't Smell the Manure for the S***]" Thought we weren't supposed to use such language ;)
You can keep your Centerstone ,I have Jesus as the ROCK of my Salvation, my Living Stone.
Granted;
The subject of this particular "Rewriting America" was poorly worded in the beginning and showed no signs of following the teaching of "Jesus".
People, people- In case you don't understand "it's called "brotherly love" for your fellow human not "tolerance" of the actions they may participate in or acceptance of others lifestyles. I don't care what society is doing or what they advocate, as Christians you must teach your Children/Grandchildren what is acceptable to God according to your faith. Actions as adults includes activities, such as voting against what is wrong and not participating in or supporting any activity which is questionable or wrong.
Attacking leaders of your nation does not promote brotherly love nor does it fix problems they may have with running a free society. You have the right to vote, you have the right to contact your various representatives to voice your opinion. If you do not know how to fix a problem then don't add to the problem with uneducated remarks or advocating actions that don't provide absolute answers. Yes, at present, we have a "popular" President, who simply shows outward demonstations of flustrated Americans, by running roughly through American problems with a "new broom" of reform. He has no ability to do this except as provided by the Congress. No actions can be taken by him unilaterally for any national policy without congressional and justice support. Can He fix our problems? No, but he is putting forth ideas from his advisors that are educated guesses that may fix the problem as Congress allows. He is trying, and your advice is what??? I don't think you will find a solution to any national problem here. Why? Because in voicing only hatred of others and uneducated solutions to problems, you have shown that Jesus's solution of "brotherly love" is not your choice for life. Without total commitment to this view, then you are doomed to failure as a leader or follower, for in God's overall plan, caring for one another is the only solution to society ills.
Please give God's plan a try, it's about love not hatred or finger pointing. Vengeance, is mine, says the lord! Yes, we may never see what that vengeance entails, but, be sure in one thing: it will occur!
Peace
disturbia,
Thank you for your concern of my mental health. I will try my best (with my mental condition it could be difficult) to explain to you why I believe homosexuality has a negative effect on families. To begin with it is just like all other immoral behavior i.e. adultery, "shacking up", pre-marital sex etc etc. These behaviours are being portrayed as morally ok, when they are not. When all morality becomes relative, then the stable and healthy/natural family unit becomes irrelavent and/or obsolete. The homosexual movement is a hot topic because it is one that cannot be spoken out against without being labled a bigot or ridiculed. I will go ahead and tell you I do not hate homosexual people or wish them harm in any way, I just think they are wrong.
"When all morality becomes relative, then the stable and healthy/natural family unit becomes irrelavent and/or obsolete."
by what mechanism does this occur? when did all morality become relative? for that matter, what does that even mean? what is a stable and healthy family unit? nuclear family or extended family?
nice slogan. but it doesnt make a lick of sense.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,5198...
seems to be a double standard on semi nude pics, Miss California is being punished for her beliefs, not her pics.
No Michael,
She is being punished for being a hypocrite. You cannot condone one thing but doing something else and think its "ok" without being chastised. It just doesn't work that way.
a hypocrite is acting as someone that you never intend to be such as a actor.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocrite
See you have to remember, I am just as critical of myself as I am others, I know I do wrong, I know I need a Saviour, I know I WAS Hell bound before I found him, I know I still slip up, and his love and forgiveness is endless.
If you flat out tell me that you don't believe, never have or don't intend to believe in a Saviour or the Bible, then I wash my hands of you and dust off my feet and go my own way, but if you claim to be a follower of Christ and follow the Bible and accept what is going on , then you are the ones I am talking to.
You are my brothers and sisters in Christ, and would you not help your flesh brothers and sisters?
The God I worship is not the same as all the others, My God is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, and he sent his SON to die for the sins of all mankind, that is all I know, and either you accept that fact or you don't.
Since attending this new church my faith has been renewed and my zeal for life!
Crossroads may be my own ministry as far as that goes we will see, but I intend on helping Fellowship for Christ in their endeavors, the Word and truth is spoken there without apologies, just the way I do!
Be Blessed!
"If you flat out tell me that you don't believe, never have or don't intend to believe in a Saviour or the Bible, then I wash my hands of you and dust off my feet and go my own way, but if you claim to be a follower of Christ and follow the Bible and accept what is going on , then you are the ones I am talking to."
So what is the point of being a disciple if you are just talking to the same people that believe as you do?
nice slogan. but it doesnt make a lick of sense.
-- Posted by lazarus on Mon, May 11, 2009, at 4:55 PM
It is not a slogan, just a statment of fact. I am sorry if you have a hard time understanding. I will try to break it down for you.
Most people and the media(tv, movies, magazines, etc etc) portry morality as a personal preference, that makes morality relative. We are going down a path where nothing is really right or wrong, its all relative. That is a very dangerous and unhealthy attitude to have.
They family unit I speak of is a mother, father and children. Having a mother and father is the best environment to raise children in. Now, I am not saying children can not be raised in other situations, I am just saying that is the "best" enivronment for children to be brought up in.
Now when you have examples everywhere of it being fine to "shack up" and commit adultry, then this family unit isnt considered neccasary and begins to breakdown. Then you have a slow breakdown of the familiy unit, which is exactly what we are seeing today.
I talk to all that will listen , when they won't see the light and show no hope then I will still pray for them, but I go on to wherever God sends me.