Chains of Time

Thank you Michael. My mom just passed away in June and now we may be transferring to another state! Too emotional!!!

May I ask for prayer from my fellow bloggers...? My family is facing some major decisions that need to be covered in prayer! Thanking you in advance.

What ever comes, whether rapture or trials and tribulations, is readily met with Peace and Joy knowing the eternal home that awaits us after this very brief temporal life here in the flesh.

John 14

1Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.

2In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

3And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also

My wish is for everyone to experience this Peace and Joy. It surpasses all understanding.

Mathew 5:9

9Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.

I find it amazing that in the very first appearances to the diciples after His resurrection He stressed PEACE to them that were afraid.

John 20:

19Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, PEACE be unto you.

20And when he had so said, he shewed unto them his hands and his side. Then were the disciples glad, when they saw the LORD.

21Then said Jesus to them again, PEACE be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.

22And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:

23Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.

24But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came.

25The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the LORD. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.

26And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, PEACE be unto you.

28And Thomas answered and said unto him, My LORD and my God.

29Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

30And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book:

31But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

May PEACE be imputed onto and into all from Christ.

Amen Quantumcat.

Many a time over "Sunday lunch" I have been amazed to hear how the Holy Spirit had spoken individually and specifically to me, my family and friends during the same Sunday sermon. God always knows exactly what we need to hear and speaks through his messenger to each of us. Even in studying His word, He speaks to us one on one.

A while back I was teaching a young married class and would prepare our lesson for the week. On occasion we would join in another adult class and it would always surprise me how the other teacher (using the same lesson material) had been led toward a whole different area than I had prepared to teach. God knows in advance who will need to hear what.

I'm thankful His word is alive and fresh... and that He still "breathes on us".

Unique:

Accept Christ's righeousness and let it be imputed onto you upon adoption and you can escape the Lake of Fire.

Give up trying to earn your own self righteousness. It can not happen that way.

Look at the fruit you bear and you will know where your roots lie.

As I stated earlier, the Bible does not contradict itself. Only you can see contradiction with the deceptive light you are given.

God and His infallable Word are not the author nor subject of confusion.

Confusion is the fruit of a tree sprung forth from Satan.

If you are confused and see contradiction know it is of Satan.

Unique:

Bob, it's never to late to pull roots and transplant yourself in to the fertile grounds of Christ.

Your fruits are what gives you away.

Unique:

The Bible does not contradict itself. Only Satan can cause the deception of contradiction which he has been apparently successful with to your eyes.

The scriptures you use are reported to be the most common used in his arsenal.

Only his light will cause the blindness that ensues when you base your whole message of hopelessness on those few verses.

By the way, only his light can turn an Angie into a Marvin for your eyes.

you said it as well can be said, by the way what kind of fruit are you, you sound like a grape I know....

unique:

By some chance are you one of the ones who think only 144,000 will be saved, believe in soul sleep, and that the second coming was an invisible one that occurred in 1914?

unique:

You just don't get it.

You just simply can't grasp it.

You just can't understand the simple Gospel.

Maybe this will help a little. Read Hebrews 12: 6-8

6For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

7If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?

8But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

Think about it a minute. The sons whom he has received in verse 6 must sin in order to be chastised. I do not think God would chastise us for being sinless, would He?

All his sons will sin after being adopted. If they are truly His sons He will chastise them (not abandon them as if bastards and you claim). If they are bastards He will not chastise.

Which be you unique, son or bastard.

bkpow;

We can debate the "what-ifs" all day or we can believe God's word as it is written.

You said: "(since He cannot look upon sin)"

-> When we accept Christ, His Redeeming Blood,(Revelation 12:11) His Healing Stripes (Isaiah 53:5; 1 Peter 2:24) and the Grace of God, (Romans 3:24; Galatians 1:15; Titus 3:7) we become sin free! We are without sin (Colossians 2: 13-14) because we were forgiven.

-> We become Sin Free when we accept Christ. We are told that we can not sin after we accept Christ because his seed is in us and as you quoted above: "since He cannot look upon sin", you have testified that God who is in you can not look upon sin, so that is why we can not willfully sin. If you do, God is NOT inside of you.

Colossians 2: 13-14

13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

-> Christ nailed it to the cross, so we must show our appreciation by not sinning.

Or else...

Here is what happens:

Matthew 12:43-45

43 "When an evil spirit comes out of a man, it goes through arid places seeking rest and does not find it.

44 Then it says, 'I will return to the house I left.' When it arrives, it finds the house unoccupied, swept clean and put in order.

45 Then it goes and takes with it seven other spirits more wicked than itself, and they go in and live there. And the final condition of that man is worse than the first. That is how it will be with this wicked generation."

-> When we accept Christ, Jesus comes in and sweeps out the evil spirits and evil thoughts and sends the Holy Spirit to come and live inside of us so we will know the truth so it can set us free.

This is called the Kingdom of God here on earth. Our bodies are the Temple of God so it becomes the Kingdom of God.

This is the house that is spoken of in the above verses.

The Kingdom of God that dwells within you is a clean pure as can be house. This is where the Holy Spirit lives. "God within us."

When we willfully sin, this Holy Spirit or "God" vacates the building (or the Kingdom of God within you), because "God can not look upon sin" as you put it.

This Kingdom of God within you is now a vacant house which was clean and pure until we sinned again.

The same evil Spirit or addiction or disease gets 7 others worse than it is and returns to you cleaned out but vacant Temple. They find your body, the Temple of God, vacated and move in.

Our life now becomes worse than it was before we accepted Christ.

You also said; "Yes, we are all sinners and as long as we live in our earthly bodies, we will continue to sin... however, as we mature and grow closer in our relationship to God, we will sin less!"

-> When we accept Christ, we are sin free instantly. We can never become more sin free than at that moment we accept Christ.

-> We are told we are dead (Colossians 2: 13-14) in our sins (or bodies) and present with the Lord.

-> We are suppose to live for God not the world. When we are present with the Lord in our minds we are absent in our bodies (or Lustful ways). That is how we are suppose to resist sin and with God inside of us it is impossible to sin unless you willfully sin of your own "freewill".

Paul tries to explain this when he spoke of marriages. He was saying if you don't lust for a woman then don't marry. Concentrate on worshiping God. But if you need a woman, then by all means get married so you can have a relationship with a woman, etc., without lusting everyday for a woman, then get your mind back on God. We are suppose to worship God 24/7.

Then you said: "however, as we mature and grow closer in our relationship to God, we will sin less!"

-> If we don't sin, we will grow closer in our relationship to God. If we sin while God is living within us, God will leave our Temple or "the Kingdom of God" and let the demons return. It is written (Matthew 12:43-45) in God's Word so it has to be true.

Take His undeserved Grace, Mercy and Forgiveness and sin daily as you put it as if God's gifts meant nothing and you think God is going to Bless you?

bkpaw:

So refreshing. You seem to recognize the Good News. I see it in the fruit you bear which comes from the Spirit that dwells in us.

Yes indeed the sound is sweet.

How great the Peace and Joy

it brings upon our sore feet.

Have you ever read Pigrim's Progress. It is a beautiful allegory of the Christians's walk through the process of sanctification after leaving justification on the road to glorification.

fruits of the spirit;

Unfortunately all mankind sins daily.

-> and unfortunately all mankind will not be written in the Book of Life, because they sin daily.

Fortunately there is a blood that atones that is much greater than the blood of bulls and goats.

-> We are redeemed by His Blood. Without it we would not be saved. SO just believing and having faith doesn't cut it. We must cherish the gift He gives us and live according to His Word. If we don't, we trample His Blood and Blasphemy the Gifts of God. There is no more repentance nor Salvation if we do that.

What joy and peace there is for those who can accept it!

-> Accepting Christ brings Joy, Peace, Love, Knowledge and salvation. That is a new way of Life that does not include sinning any more.

What dread, fear and nightmares are there for those who refuse to trust in it.

-> The bible tells us that we should "Fear" He who can not only Kill the Body, but also send the Soul to Hell. Nightmares have absolutely nothing to do with Salvation.

Unfortunately all mankind sins daily.

Fortunately there is a blood that attones that is much greater than the blood of bulls and goats.

What joy and peace there is for those who can accept it!

What dread, fear and nightmares are there for those who refuse to trust in it.

Unique:

As long as we are this tent of flesh we will sin. And when we sin we have an advocate.

Are you so foolish to think there is a man alive who does not sin everyday?

Even when Christ simplified the law and prophets down to two commandments in an effort to show us how far short we fall everyday you seem to not grasp Him.

Do not let Satan confuse you with his deceptions.

By grace through faith we can be justified by Christ's righteousness.

While here we daily will struggle through the process of sanctification.

Only when we put off this body and are glorified will we escape the sin nature.

My God, Spread the Good News!

Leave the Bad News with Satan. It is all on him and his deceiving confusers.

michaelbell;

You wrote:

"If Christ's sacrifice is rejected, then all hope of salvation is gone. To turn away willfully from this sacrifice leaves no sacrifice; it leaves only sin, the penalty for which is eternal death. This passage is not speaking of a believer who falls away, but rather someone who may claim to be a believer, but truly is not. Anyone who apostatizes is proving he never had genuine faith to begin with (1 John 2:19"

Apostasy = desertion of or departure from one's religion

Apostate = a person who forsakes his religion

Please tell me the difference between an Apostate and a believer who turns away from his religion to sin?

If an Apostate never really belonged to God, then s/he has never accepted Christ, so that scripture would not be applying to them. They are Anti-Christ.

They must have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, and who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age.

Your definition of an Apostate;

"Willful sinning" in this passage carries the idea of consciously and deliberately rejecting Christ. To know God's way, to hear it preached, to study it, to count oneself among the faithful, and then to turn away is to become apostate.

[ To Know God's way can only come from knowing God. To hear it preached is to listen to His Word. To study it is to stay in His Word. To count oneself among the faithful is to confess Christ. Then to turn away is to entangle themselves back into the world and willfully sin. ]

Sinning willfully carries with it the idea of sinning continually and deliberately. Such a person does not sin because of ignorance, nor is he carried away by momentary temptations he is too weak to resist. The willful sinner sins because of an established way of thinking and acting which he has no desire to give up. The true apostate will continue to sin, deliberately, willingly and with abandon.

Your Definition of a true believer;

The true believer, on the other hand, is one who lapses into sin and loses temporary fellowship with God. But he will eventually come back to God in repentance because his heavenly Father will continually woo and convict him until he can't stay away any longer.

Then you agreed with me with...

John tells us that "No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him and he cannot sin, because he is born of God" (1 John 3:9).

So... how does the True Believer (Lapse) into sin when John tells us "No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him and he cannot sin, because he is born of God".

So you are saying... an Apostate never accepts Christ and continues to sin, However, a True Believer does accept Christ but when s/he sins it is just a temporary lapse in spite of the true Biblical verses stating that a Believer "CAN NOT Sin" because God's seed is in him!

Accept the Truth like you Accepted Christ. Stop relying on internet websites and (other books) for answers that carry no proof at all.

You also stated:

"Having turned his back on the truth, and with full knowledge choosing to willfully and continually sin, the apostate is then beyond salvation because he has rejected the one true sacrifice for sins: the Lord Jesus Christ. If Christ's sacrifice is rejected, then all hope of salvation is gone..."

If I understood you right, an Apostate would be a Homosexual or Abortionist or murdered who says they are Christians yet don't abide in His word and continues to sin with no intentions of stopping.

This would mean you are wasting your time trying to save these Apostates you are always talking about because they are anti-Christ and can not be saved.

The same answer for both examples, if they willfully sin after accepting Christ or if they are anti-Christ, there is no longer a sacrifice.

Anyone who almost accepts Christ but doesn't, still has the opportunity of accepting Christ at a later time.

Unique:

You need to carefully ponder your revelations and of whom delivers it to you. Satan himself can appear as an angel of light.

I have seen nothing you say that could be taken as Good News and produce joy and peace which is difinitely a fruit of the Spirit.

I can only see dread and fear blooming off your tree. What nightmares it must produce for you and anyone whom you confuse.

You seem to not understand whose righteousness it is that saves us and apparantely fail to see it is an imputed righteousness, not of ourselves.

I also think it would help you prpperly understand Hebrews 10 (you use so often) if you would read the chapter before it (Chapter 9) which sets up the presentation of Chapter 10. Please pay special attention to verses 12-15 and verse 28.

Hebrews 9

1Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary.

2For there was a tabernacle made; the first, wherein was the candlestick, and the table, and the shewbread; which is called the sanctuary.

3And after the second veil, the tabernacle which is called the Holiest of all;

4Which had the golden censer, and the ark of the covenant overlaid round about with gold, wherein was the golden pot that had manna, and Aaron's rod that budded, and the tables of the covenant;

5And over it the cherubims of glory shadowing the mercyseat; of which we cannot now speak particularly.

6Now when these things were thus ordained, the priests went always into the first tabernacle, accomplishing the service of God.

7But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people:

8The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:

9Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;

10Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.

11But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;

12Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

13For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:

14How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

15And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

16For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.

17For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

18Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood.

19For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people,

20Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you.

21Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry.

22And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

23It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.

24For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:

25Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;

26For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

27And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

28So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

If the blood of bulls and goats could attone for our sins on a yearly basis how much more can the Blood of Christ do? Remember, He was the last final perfect sacrafice and through His shed blood the temple veil was torn from top to bottom. It was not torn from the bottom up by man but rather by God from the top down. It was not man's work coming to God but rather His work coming to us.

Your comments do much to trample under foot the precious blood of Christ.

There is a peace and joy that surpasses all understanding to be had. Let it replace your fears, dreads and doubts.

fruits of the spirit;

I am sorry if I alarmed you! My Bible just didn't print the same words as yours does. It left out the words... "He came close but did not swallow the good word."

See example below:

4 It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit,

5 who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age,

6 "if they fall away", to be brought back to repentance, "because to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again" and subjecting him to public disgrace.

I Never underestimate the power of the Blood, and I know I can do nothing without Christ, but through Christ all things are possible.

I am not judging anyone, I am only giving everyone something to read and consider. If we can only be forgiven once, shouldn't everyone do their best to preserve their Everlasting Life?

That is what Paul was teaching to the people 2,000 years ago.

Everyone has been taught by (man) that once you receive Christ, you are saved forever. That is what the bible is trying to tell us (If) you abide in His Word. That means to stay in His word and that doesn't include sinning again.

These truths have been hidden in the bible from the nonbelievers by God.

Matthew 11:25

25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

My Credentials:

Galations 1:12

12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

Mr. Bell:

I believe you understand those scriptures correctly.

I might add, I believe the Hebrews 6 verses describe man who has "tasted" the goodness of the word of God. He came close but did not swallow the good word.

Once swallowed by saving faith it will produce the fruits of the spirit which are love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness and temperance.

I want to say again I appreciate your understanding of and desire to spread the Good News.

I also wish to say that is is heart wretching to see Satan's use of scripture through other men to attempt it's establishment as Bad News.

Only Satan can attempt to deminish the value of the precious shed Blood for sinners and count it in any way as insufficient.

this is a summary of grace versus law from church we have been studying plus from other sources. I hope it will explain the diffrence of the two.

For if we are willfully sinning after receiving the full knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice concerning sins." Hebrews 10:26-29 warns against the sin of apostasy. Apostasy is an intentional falling away or defection. Apostates are those who move toward Christ, right up to the edge of saving belief, who hear and understand the Gospel, and are on the verge of saving faith, but then reject what they have learned and turn away. These are people who are perhaps even aware of their sin and even make a profession of faith. But rather than going on to spiritual maturity, their interest in Christ begins to diminish, the things of the world have more attraction to them rather than less, and eventually they lose all desire for the things of God and they turn away. The Lord illustrated these types of people in the second and third soils of Matthew 13:1-9, 18-23. These are those who "receive with joy" the things of the Lord, but who are drawn away by the cares of the world or turned off by difficulties they encounter because of Christ.

"Willful sinning" in this passage carries the idea of consciously and deliberately rejecting Christ. To know God's way, to hear it preached, to study it, to count oneself among the faithful, and then to turn away is to become apostate. Sinning willfully carries with it the idea of sinning continually and deliberately. Such a person does not sin because of ignorance, nor is he carried away by momentary temptations he is too weak to resist. The willful sinner sins because of an established way of thinking and acting which he has no desire to give up. The true believer, on the other hand, is one who lapses into sin and loses temporary fellowship with God. But he will eventually come back to God in repentance because his heavenly Father will continually woo and convict him until he can't stay away any longer. The true apostate will continue to sin, deliberately, willingly and with abandon. John tells us that "No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him and he cannot sin, because he is born of God" (1 John 3:9).

Apostates have knowledge, but no application of that knowledge. They can be found in the presence of the light of Christ, mostly in the church, among God's people. Judas Iscariot is the perfect example--he had knowledge but he lacked true faith. No other rejector of the truth had more or better exposure to the love and grace of God than Judas. He was part of Jesus' inner circle of disciples, eating, sleeping, and traveling with Him for years. He saw the miracles and heard the words of God from Jesus' very lips, from the best preacher the world has ever known, and yet he not only turned away but was instrumental in the plot to kill Jesus.

Having turned his back on the truth, and with full knowledge choosing to willfully and continually sin, the apostate is then beyond salvation because he has rejected the one true sacrifice for sins: the Lord Jesus Christ. If Christ's sacrifice is rejected, then all hope of salvation is gone. To turn away willfully from this sacrifice leaves no sacrifice; it leaves only sin, the penalty for which is eternal death. This passage is not speaking of a believer who falls away, but rather someone who may claim to be a believer, but truly is not. Anyone who apostatizes is proving he never had genuine faith to begin with (1 John 2:19

fruits of the spirit;

You ask: "Once lost, always lost????"

Then you told Mr. Bell that you appreciate also the warnings of the loose cannons, but are convenced that they (I am assuming you are referring to people like me), work for the devil.

That doesn't bother me at all.

If you go back and read it again you will find the scriptures, so you can read it yourself.

http://www.t-g.com/blogs/michaelbell/

entry/28749/425773

The bible tells us to put on the Armor of God! Who? The CHristians who were born again must put on the Armor of God, because Satan is always trying to deceive the Christians.

If once you are saved, you are always saved, you wouldn't need this Armor of God to protect you from the evil ones.

So why the Armor of God?

If you don't protect yourself from the powers of satan, what do you think would happen?

Where in the Bible does it say to keep asking for forgiveness? It doesn't!

It says to - R E P E N T!

That means to feel sorrow and shame for your sins and S T O P committing the sins. How do you show remorse when you keep doing the same thing over and over again.

A sin is a sin brought on by Satan Tempting you in your body and/or mind.

When we accept Christ, God lives within us to help us stay straight. We don't have a desire to sin when God is in us, but you let the devil in and you will sin, so if you sin you are of the devil and not God.

God will NOT Let Satan put more temptation on you than you can bear. That is why you put on the ARmor of God.

Hebrews 6:4-6 (New International Version)

4 It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit,

5 who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age,

6 if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.

Even Peter agreed with Paul;

2 Peter 2:20

20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known [it], to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog [is] turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire

-> Christ's Sacrifice Once for All

Hebrews 10:26-29 [ If we sin wilfully ]

26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left,

27 but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God.

28 Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses.

29 How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God under foot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified him, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace?

Even in the Old Testament, God made it clear about sinning unintentionally and anyone who sins defiantly;

Numbers 15:28-31

28 The priest is to make atonement before the LORD for the one who erred by sinning unintentionally, and when atonement has been made for him, he will be forgiven.

29 One and the same law applies to everyone who sins unintentionally, whether he is a native-born Israelite or an alien.

30 " 'But anyone who sins defiantly, whether native-born or alien, blasphemes the LORD, and that person must be cut off from his people.

31 Because he has despised the LORD's word and broken his commands, that person must surely be cut off; his guilt remains on him.' "

-> Wilfull Sinners were cut off from His People and their guilt remained on them. They were not forgiven. How much greater the punishment when you defiantly sin after God gave his only begotten son.

Also see: Titus 2:11-14; 1 John 3:1-9; 1 John 3:1-9.

So you see how churches are teaching you things they want to, but not teaching the word of God that warns you what will happen if you wilfully sin.

That is why I chose the name Unique-Lies!

These are not my words but the words of Paul, Peter and John.

If it breaks your heart to see me teach the real truth about God's word, then take it up with Him in prayer.

Moses talked to God and convenced God not to kill His people out there in the desert. Maybe you and others can convence God not to write us off just because we turn our backs on Him and wilfully commit sins everyday of our lives.

I leave you with this Proof also;

Deuteronomy 9:24-29

24 Ye have been rebellious against the LORD from the day that I knew you.

25 Thus I fell down before the LORD forty days and forty nights, as I fell down at the first; because the LORD had said he would destroy you.

26 I prayed therefore unto the LORD, and said, O Lord GOD, destroy not thy people and thine inheritance, which thou hast redeemed through thy greatness, which thou hast brought forth out of Egypt with a mighty hand.

27 Remember thy servants, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob; look not unto the stubbornness of this people, nor to their wickedness, nor to their sin:

28 Lest the land whence thou broughtest us out say, Because the LORD was not able to bring them into the land which he promised them, and because he hated them, he hath brought them out to slay them in the wilderness.

29 Yet they are thy people and thine inheritance, which thou broughtest out by thy mighty power and by thy stretched out arm.

welcome on the blogs fruits of the spirit, you are a new one here, may God guide your path and beware of a few loosw cannons on here.

Thank you memyselfi.

I am not one of those people who can remember where each scripture is in the Bible and when I tell others my believe I know what I am talking about but my sentences don't quote scriptures to the letter so people doubt me. I try to take the time to find and furnish scriptures that prove what I am saying.

I once read a book by Norman Vincent Peel. He said (he didn't clutter up his mind with information that he could look up). That always made sense to me so I am the same way.

I try not to take anything out of context but most of the time it applies also in other scriptures without taking it out of context or content.

I know when I run off at the mouth, I speak of things that most people don't want to hear, but it is parts of the bible that puts things and events together making them easier to understand.

I stop and look up every scripture before I paste them in my comment and post it. I use the spell checker and still miss use words. I even use an online dictionary to make sure I am saying the right thing and spelling it right. I also use Notebook to put it all together before I proof read it and post it as one comment. I sometimes have to stop in the middle of typing a comment and run my wife to town or stop to eat supper etc.

I have spent hours on some comments I have posted because I want it right.

I have also typed for hours just to delete the whole thing because I was just being a know it all and that doesn't belong on here.

I have been reading and studying the Bible since I was 23 years old. I am now 67, look 57 and feel 47, but laid back like I'm 77, Lol.

Each of us make up the body of Christ. Even thou we have God within us, each of us is only a small part of the body of Christ.

With all the knowledge I have about the scriptures, I am only a toe or finger of Christ's Body. Without what everyone else can add to or change, my belief is nothing.

One day, others will take what I have presented and put everything together for all to understand or perhaps prove me wrong.

Thank you again for the superb compliment.

Chef Boy R.D.;

Ain't that the truth!

I feel like I should apologize to everyone sometimes, but I don't have much longer on this earth so I have to get it all out, lol.

I can not speak in public in front of 10 or more people. The words just won't come out. However, since I don't have to look at anyone on this blog, I can talk.

I only hope I don't bore everyone. I just like to bring the truth out and plenty of scriptures that everyone can read for themselves to test what I tell them.

bkpow;

You are putting words in my mouth.

That is what Michael Bell and Marvin teach.

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I teach that you can not sin once you accept Jesus or you return to your sinful ways and lose your salvation.

Saul was blinded by God and asked "why are you trying to kill my disciples?" God told him to go see his Disciples and they would restore his sight and God renamed him "Paul".

Paul was a very righteous man because he had this experience with God that we will never have. Paul was filled with the Holy Ghost.

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Paul wrote the books of; Romans, 1 Corinthians, 2 Corinthians, Galatians, Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, 1 Thessalonians, 2 Thessalonians, 1 Timothy, 2 Timothy, Titus, Philemon and possibly Hebrews, so Paul definitely had the spirit of God in him.

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So...

In Romans 7:18-19 Paul speaks like he is the devil himself. He is actually speaking as if he had not been saved yet in order to teach the difference to the people of being saved and not.

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Romans 7:18-20

18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.

20 Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.

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-> What you have to understand is... Paul was a Teacher of God's Word. Althou he was hard to understand sometimes, he did his best to make everyone understand God's Word.

To fully understand what Paul is saying to the people you must read the next chapter (Romans 8).

Paul teaches that if we have the spirit in us we will not sin but abide in Christ. If we do sin, then the spirit is not within us and we will continue to sin.

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-> We are a new creature in Christ. Our sins are gone and all new things are of God.

2 Corinthians 5:17-18

17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

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-> We must say "No to ungodliness and worldly passions." We have to live a life that is "Self-controlled" "upright" and "godly". Christ gave himself for us to redeem us from all wickedness.

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Titus 2:11-14

11 For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men.

12 It teaches us to say "No" to ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright and godly lives in this present age,

13 while we wait for the blessed hope--the glorious appearing of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ,

14 who gave himself for us to redeem us from all wickedness and to purify for himself a people that are his very own, eager to do what is good.

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-> God does not tempt us. Our weak bodies entice us with lust. If we chose to sin, it brings forth death.

James 1:12-16

12 Blessed [is] the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.

13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:

14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.

15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

16 Do not err, my beloved brethren.

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-> God will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. When our bodies entice us to sin, the Holy Spirit within us will not let us be tempted beyond what we can bear. We must say no to ungodliness and world passion.

1 Corinthians 10:12-13

12 So, if you think you are standing firm, be careful that you don't fall!

13 No temptation has seized you except what is common to man. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. But when you are tempted, he will also provide a way out so that you can stand up under it.

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-> We cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils. Either you are for God or against him. You can't obey both God and Satan.

1 Corinthians 10:21

21 Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils

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-> You can not serve two masters

Luke 16:13

13 No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

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-> We can NOT Sin if we have accepted Jesus Christ, because his seed remains in us. If we sin it is of the devil.

John 3:5-9

5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.

6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

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-> We are not of the world so we are not to commit the worldly sins and passions.

John 15:18-20

18 ¶ If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before [it hated] you.

19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.

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Please read Romans 8:1-17. That should clear it all up for you.

In Romans 8:4, alone, is the answer to your question.

-> Paul includes himself in with the others who do not live according to the sinful nature but according to the Holy Spirit within them. Yes, Paul is filled with the Holy Ghost and not a sinner.

Romans 8:4

4 in order that the righteous requirements of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the sinful nature but according to the Spirit.

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-> Okay, why do we need the armor of God?

(2 Corinthians 4:4)

4 In whom the "god of this world" hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

(1 Peter 5:8)

8 Be self-controlled and alert. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour.

(2 Corinthians 11:14-15)

14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

(1 Timothy 4:1)

1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

(Revelation 12:9; II Thessalonians 2:9,10; Luke 22:32; 2 Cor. 2:11; 11:3-15; Eph. 6:16; 2 Corinthians 4:4; Acts 26:18; 2 Corinthians 6:14; Colossians 1:13; I John 2:9-11; Matthew 12:24; Ephesians 6:12; I Thessalonians 2:18; Dan. 10:12-11:1; Acts 10:38; 1 Kings 19; 2 Corinthians 12:7; Revelation 12:10; 2 Corinthians 2:10-11; James 3:13-16; Ephesians 6:11; Matthew 4:1 - 11; Luke 4:1-13; I Thessalonians 3:5; and there are more reasons if you need them!

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What is the armor of God?

(Ephesians 6;14-17)

14 Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place,

15 and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace.

16 In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one.

17 Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.

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The Armor of God:

1). Belt of Truth

2). Breastplate of Righteousness

3). Footware - feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace

But wait! That's not all!

4). Shield of Faith

5). Helmet of Salvation

6). sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.

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If I know my bible, that is standard issue when you accept Jesus Christ as your Savior.

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--> bkpow, You wrote:

"If we were to be "sinless" after accepting Jesus, why would we need spiritual armor to protect us? And why would we need to DAILY lay down our cross and follow.. the way you say it, once we accept Christ, we no longer have to battle!"

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Yes we will have to battle with the powers of Satan. We will always be tempted, tormented, punished and killed by him. We have to power over Satan, by (1.) the Blood of Christ) and (2.) Using the Name of Christ and (3.) Prayer.

Tell the devil to leave and he will flee. No temptation stronger than you can handle with your "Armor of God". We will be persecuted and prosecuted by Satan and his devils, illnesses, abominations and diseases.

We are told to wait patiently in Faith until He returns and we will overcome.

michaelbell;

Works is very important in our lives!

Everything you do in your life from the day you are born until the day you die is labeled "Works". What did you do today that wouldn't be considered as some kind of work?

You went to work this morning. How did you go, what happened along the way to work? How did you handle it? Did you enjoy a case of road rage on the public streets on the way to work? Did you yell at someone today or curse them under your breath? Did everyone act like idiots today or just one or two people. What about the young man who had both of his legs cut off instead of his gall bladder operation. Shouldn't those doctors and everyone in the operating room be charged with some kind of Felony charges for butchering this young man up?

These are things we face everyday. How we handle them is our "WORKS". Did we jump up and raise hell or passively move on without a word or hop right in to help a stranger with no questions asked?

We go to heaven if our name is written in the Book of Life.

It is all these "works" that (the one who reads our Hearts), looks at then judges us accordingly.

If you have God within you, your works will only be good works and everyone can see for themselves how you are. If your works aren't inspired by God, everyone will see that too. But the last word is Gods'.

We are not to become entangled back into the ungodly World. That means to live and let live. God and Satan control the destiny of all the people in this world.

If you accept Christ because God sent you to Christ, then Christ will prevent you from wanting to sin.

If you choose to sin again, Satan has taken over your body and put these sinful desires in you. If you don't fight them off, and tell the devil to leave, you are hooked on Satan again.

If God wants the sinners and nonbelievers and same sex marriage gays and abortionists and murderers and fortune tellers, He will send them to Jesus Christ his only begotten Son. Then and only then can you or anyone else help them in a new life.

They chose the life they are living or by some coincident Satan has made them the way they are.

If you want to save them, you better start practicing casting devils out or sit back and let God send them your way!

Article I Section 8, Clauses 1 and 2:

Section 8. The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; -> "but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;"

To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

The United States doesn't have any Credit... it is Bankrupt. It is selling off assets to Japan and China to the point of losing real estate every year. And when you read the "Federal Territorial Boundaries" of the United States in Article I, Section 8, Clauses 17 & 18:

17. To exercise exclusive legislation in all cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten miles square) as may, by cession of particular states, and the acceptance of Congress, become the seat of the government of the United States, and to exercise like authority over all places purchased by the consent of the legislature of the state in which the same shall be, for the erection of forts, magazines, arsenals, dockyards, and other needful buildings;--And

19. To make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof.

Clause 18 gives Congress the right to make all Laws which are necessary to govern these Federal Territories. These Territories are not the 50 states nor Citizens, but territories.

Then in the 14th Amendment:

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

The 14th Amendment is worded tricky and sly!

Here you will read the words United States and the word state.

The United States is singular, because it is referring to one United States Central Government. This is the Federal Government described in Article I Section 8, Clause 17. It is limited to its Exclusive Territories and doesn't have any Jurisdiction within the several states except needful building, etc., that were ceded over to the Central Government.

The last line of section 1 states "nor deny to any person within [its] jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws." The word "its" makes the "United States" singular not plural.

The first sentence creates a class of Citizens that never existed before the 14th Amendment. These were the newly freed Black slaves who didn't have a citizenship in any country and the citizens of all the territories and possession of the United States Central Government.

This Amendment made them citizens of the United States Central Government AND citizens of the state wherein they reside.

We the People who were born in this country were born with inalienable Rights guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution and were Citizens of these United states of America. We are automatically a citizen of all 50 states.

The word "state" implies any or all of these 50 states united in the union which is separate from the Central Government.

The next sentence prevents any of the 50 states from making laws that would abridge the "privileges or immunities" of these new US Citizens. [No inalienable Rights - just privileges and immunities for these new citizens]. The next sentence states "nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;" This is a constitutional protection against the states for "We the People" who have constitutional Rights.

And the last line in Section 1 states "nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

Here the 14th Amendment is talking about the Federal Citizens under the jurisdiction of [its] "the United States Central Government" the equal protection of the laws. (Civil Rights).

So the last word is... Congress has the right to make all needful laws governing their US Federal Citizens without constitutional restrictions and limitations. If you don't know your constitutional rights you must obey their laws intended for the US Federal Citizens.

However, if you know and stand up for your rights, you know that any law that violates your rights are null and void as though they were never written.

So... the laws may infringe on the peoples right so Congress must avoid violating peoples rights with their legislation.

God said vengeance is mine so why do you feel like you need to punish these sinners instead of letting God bringing them down like the many others told about in the bible.

Oh yeah, Homicides is spelled homicides not homocides, LoL.

As for your Federal Tax Dollars, they go to the IMF to pay on the interest of the deficit of the U.S.. None of this Tax money goes to pay for anything in the states. Congress has to borrow more money to pay for projects or the state has to raise state and local taxes to pay for them. Usually the state just adds tax to cigarettes to pay for things in Tennessee.

This is a violation of Article XI, Section 8 of the Tennessee State Constitution.

When the people stop buying cigarettes the state will have to stop putting winning numbers on the lottery scratch off tickets... or has that already happened?

Another repeated violation by state legislators is: Constitutional amendments; constitutional conventions;

Article XI, Section 3, clause 2, ... No change in, or amendment to, this Constitution proposed by such convention shall become effective, unless within the limitations of the call of the convention, and unless approved and ratified by a majority of the qualified voters voting separately on such change or amendment at an election to be held in such manner and on such date as may be fixed by the convention. No such convention shall be held oftener than once in six years.

Also:

Article XI, Section 5. Lotteries

The Legislature shall have no power to authorize lotteries for any purpose, and shall pass laws to prohibit the sale of lottery tickets in this State.

Also:

Article VI, Section 14. Fines and penalties; assessment by jury

No fine shall be laid on any citizen of this State that shall exceed fifty dollars, unless it shall be assessed by a jury of his peers, who shall assess the fine at the time they find the fact, if they think the fine should be more than fifty dollars.

It was repealed to mean??? This was a right given to the people so it can never be taken away.

But it was, in spite of:

Article XI, Section 16; Bill of rights declared inviolate

The declaration of rights hereto prefixed is declared to be a part of the Constitution of this State, and shall never be violated on any pretense whatever. And to guard against transgression of the high powers we have delegated, we declare that everything in the bill of rights contained, is excepted out of the general powers of government, and shall forever remain inviolate.

The sad part is... the Tennessee State Supreme Court is suppose to watch the Legislators and make sure they legislate according to the Tennessee State Constitution so these crimes don't happen.

How can Abortion and same sex marriages be legalized, you ask?

Look at what the legislators did right under our noses and the noses of the 5 Tennessee State Supreme Court Justices.

You know what the bible says about the last days so why can't you let it go and happen like it is written? It doesn't say that people will change in the last days. It says the evil doers will remain evil doers and the good will remain good.

there is punishment for stealing and homocides and what are considered crimes, people lie without punishment, until caught, people commit adultery until caught and then just get divorced, unless one of the spouses shoots them, or like in the case of Mcnair.

People abort babies , nothing said, same sex couples, nothing said.

They are the hot topics and these are just my views on them.

For instance, if this national health insurance passes, our taxpayer dollars could end up paying for abortions, how fair is that? it isn't!

tell them mike

Michael, you are insane if you believe abortion and homosexuality are as prevelant as other 'sins'. These are the only two that, for reasons unknown to us, you just can't stop beating in the ground.

why don't you come educate me!

No,these two sins are no worse than others, but they are the most prevalent today, since once is called a abomination and one is murder.

Saved by Grace. And only what you do for Christ will last!

Michael,Unique Lies et al,

I'd like to point out a few scriptures which hopefully will clarify this "works, faith, and grace thing" which so many of us get hung up on.

Eph 2:8-9 tells us "For by GRACE are ye saved through FAITH; and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God: not of WORKS,lest any man should boast.

GRACE is nothing more than UNMERITED FAVOR, a favor that we have done nothing to be worthy of.

FAITH is total trust in something/someone and includes total devotion to Christ in this context.

WORKS, not absolutely essential for salvation in all cases. Recall the scene where Christ is hanging on the cross between two thieves, one of which is saying "If thou be the Christ save thyself and us". The other thief answered him that they both were thieves and deserved what they were getting and then he said to Jesus "Lord, remember me this day when thou comest into thy Kingdom. Christ replies to the second thief "Verily I say unto thee, today thou shalt be with me in paradise."

Now before anyone gets the idea that we can accept Christ into our heart, make a profession of faith in Him and continue living like we still belong to the Devil and make it into heaven---- well, let's see what James 2:14-26 has to say about it. Verse 18 is the key verse in that passage: Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith and I have works; shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will show thee my faith by my works.

It then gives several examples in the old testament where different persons works showed where their faith was.

So yes, Godly Works are important in that they show where our faith is. We cannot work our way into heaven but once we have accepted Christ as our savior our faith in him will be evidenced by our works, or lack thereof for him.

I'm glad that my God is a merciful God and that when I sin and repent, HE forgives and remembers it no more! It's cast as far as the east is from the west. If only humans could do the same thing! Of course, we like to be "historical" and keep shoving it in everyone's face. I'm glad God gave me a second chance, and I'm glad he gave Marvin a second chance as well!

Chef Boy R.D.;

Mr. Parker believes he can do anything and still keep his salvation, so no one can help him.

My reasoning has nothing to do with it. The Bible tells us that everyone will be Resurrected and go thru another earth age before we are Judged by Christ.

The "Rapture" everyone talks about is a redeeming of 144,000 Jews. They go where ever Christ goes for ever. They never leave His side, So they will pass thru the Gates.

The New Heaven is a cube approximately 2,000 miles high, wide and deep.

Only the Righteous Christians will be allowed in this New Heaven.

(Rev 21:6-7)

6 He said to me: "It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To him who is thirsty I will give to drink without cost from the spring of the water of life.

7 He who overcomes will inherit all this, and I will be his God and he will be my son.

-> These souls will enter the Pearly Gates without being stopped to determine if they belong there or Hell.

Then we have billions of people who will go to the Lake of Fire and Never enter the Pearly Gates.

(Rev 21:8)

8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars--their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death."

-> Then of course, we have the earthly people who will inherit the New Earth. These people will not go thru the Pearly Gates. They will remain on the earth because they will have earthly bodies.

Only the Priest and Kings who are in the First Resurrection will be allowed to travel in and out of Heaven.

(Rev 21:22-26)

22 I did not see a temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple.

23 The city does not need the sun or the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light, and the Lamb is its lamp.

24 The nations will walk by its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their splendor into it.

25 On no day will its gates ever be shut, for there will be no night there.

26 The glory and honor of the nations will be brought into it.

-> Only those whose names are written in the Lamb's book of life will be allowed to enter the "Pearly Gates" as everyone refers to them.

Rev 21:27 Nothing impure will ever enter it, nor will anyone who does what is shameful or deceitful, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb's book of life.

-> Why is that verse in the Bible?

Does it mean that there are people who will be allowed to live on Earth who match these (impure, shameful and deceitful) descriptions, but not allowed in Heaven.

Well, "There goes the neighborhood" before we even get a chance to settle in.

So, now Chef Boy R.D., do you read it for yourself just how "Few" people will be allowed in Heaven?

NOT EVERY ONE GOES TO HEAVEN!

Churches are to be Blamed for everyone thinking they will be going to Heaven when they die.

The preachers at every Funeral Service tells the families that their loved one "went to heaven to be with God" or "God took him/her Home to be with Him". They even tell the family "They are in a better Place", when actually, they are in their grave to stay until they are Resurrected.

WOW! I love the Bible.

There is just so much more information in the Bible than we can absorb. It is full of Truth and foretells the future for anyone who will read it.

michaelbell;

Just Believing in Jesus won't get you to heaven.

Those of you who think you have "Eternal Life" already (just because you Believe in Jesus (John 3:16)) without doing "works" to be saved, read it and weep!

Rev 20:11-12

11 Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. Earth and sky fled from his presence, and there was no place for them.

12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. "The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books."

So we see - we have to have "WORKS" right along with Faith, not just Faith nor Belief.

We both believe in Jesus , we agree on that.

"What happens after death?"

Within the Christian faith, there is a significant amount of confusion regarding what happens after death. Some hold that after death, everyone "sleeps" until the final judgment, after which everyone will be sent to heaven or hell. Others believe that at the moment of death, people are instantly judged and sent to their eternal destinations. Still others claim that when people die, their souls/spirits are sent to a "temporary" heaven or hell, to await the final resurrection, the final judgment, and then the finality of their eternal destination. So, what exactly does the Bible say happens after death?

First, for the believer in Jesus Christ, the Bible tells us that after death believers' souls/spirits are taken to heaven, because their sins are forgiven by having received Christ as Savior (John 3:16, 18, 36). For believers, death is to be "away from the body and at home with the Lord" (2 Corinthians 5:6-8; Philippians 1:23). However, passages such as 1 Corinthians 15:50-54 and 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17 describe believers being resurrected and given glorified bodies. If believers go to be with Christ immediately after death, what is the purpose of this resurrection? It seems that while the souls/spirits of believers go to be with Christ immediately after death, the physical body remains in the grave "sleeping." At the resurrection of believers, the physical body is resurrected, glorified, and then reunited with the soul/spirit. This reunited and glorified body-soul-spirit will be the possession of believers for eternity in the new heavens and new earth (Revelation 21-22).

Second, for those who do not receive Jesus Christ as Savior, death means everlasting punishment. However, similar to the destiny of believers, unbelievers also seem to be sent immediately to a temporary holding place, to await their final resurrection, judgment, and eternal destiny. Luke 16:22-23 describes a rich man being tormented immediately after death. Revelation 20:11-15 describes all the unbelieving dead being resurrected, judged at the great white throne, and then being cast into the lake of fire. Unbelievers, then, are not sent to hell (the lake of fire) immediately after death, but rather are in a temporary realm of judgment and condemnation. However, even though unbelievers are not instantly sent to the lake of fire, their immediate fate after death is not a pleasant one. The rich man cried out, "I am in agony in this fire" (Luke 16:24).

Therefore, after death, a person resides in a "temporary" heaven or hell. After this temporary realm, at the final resurrection, a person's eternal destiny will not change. The precise "location" of that eternal destiny is what changes. Believers will ultimately be granted entrance into the new heavens and new earth (Revelation 21:1). Unbelievers will ultimately be sent to the lake of fire (Revelation 20:11-15). These are the final, eternal destinations of all people--based entirely on whether or not they had trusted Jesus Christ alone for salvation (Matthew 25:46; John 3:36).

this is from a book I have been reading by Herbert Armstrong, some parts I agree with, some I don't.

Point is, death is a journey we all take alone, we can't go and then tell our family or friends about it.

michaelbell;

Satan has all kinds of methods working for him. Time isn't his best weapon because satan has a only a very short time left to do his bidding.

Satan must conjure up every weapon (and person) he can to help him confuse the world in these last days.

1). Satan uses everyday people to say "I believe", so they will think they are saved. Even the devils also believe and tremble.

James 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

2). Satan uses Preachers to lie to and deceive the people so they don't know what to believe.

3). Satan uses clergy persons to rape and molest children so people turn from the church leaders in disgust.

4). Satan is the "Angel of Light" (2 Cor. 11:12-14) We are to Head to the Light??? You Might want to think about that one!

5). Satan's Devils also transform themselves into apostles of Christ. And they are out there teaching false teachings.

6). Satan is THE TEMPTER (Matt 4:3; I Thessalonians 3:5) We try to blame God for our temptations, but it comes from Satan.

7). Satan is the SON OF PERDITION (John 17:12; II Thes. 2:3): Satan can and will cause ruin or loss in physical, spiritual or eternal arenas. He will destroy you fully if you let him and refuse Christ's love and mediation.

8). Satan is the GOD OF THIS WORLD (2 Corinthians 4:4): He sponsors false religion and all the false cults and systems which are against Christianity; he presides over our anti-God life style.

9). Satan is the PRINCE OF THE POWER OF THE AIR (Eph. 2:2; 6:12): As such, he is the leader of the evil angels and prince over this vast host (army) of subordinates (demons) which carry out his orders. He rules with tyrannical power.

10). Satan is the FATHER OF LIES (John 8:44): Satan's opposition to God includes a vast host of fallen angels and his counterfeit proposals, which do not derive their source from the Lord. It describes Satan as the source (father) of all that is untrue (lies) (1 John 3:8.)

11). Satan uses Fortune Tellers, Mediums an Psychics to deceive the world in their time of weakness to turn the people from God to trust these devil worshipers and believe that their Loved ones are still with them and protecting them.

12). Satan uses Havoc to scare, destroy, injure and kill, so the people will blame God for such senseless destruction and not Satan.

13). Satan uses everyday diseases and Phobias to panic and/or kill people, causing them to turn from God for "taking that Loved one Home to be with God".

14). Satan uses Terrorists to make the people hate a God that allows this sort of thing to continue.

15). Satan will be using the Anti-Christ, False Prophet and the Beast and the second Beast to deceive the people and even kill the Christians.

Nothing seems fair!

Satan will be bound, but only for 1,000 years. He is released to go out and deceive the people for a short while, who have just been Resurrected (No one in Hell, they are Resurrected also), then when Satan and his followers surround the camp of God's people, Christ destroys them with Fire from Heaven.

Satan is then cast into the lake of fire where the Beast and the False Prophet are.

One of the "Lost Books of the Bible" speaks of everyone getting out of Hell and not remaining in Hell. The Scriptures tell us that those who are in Hell are cast into the lake of fire, so they do get out of Hell eventually. So no one is tormented in Hell for ever and ever. They are cast into the lake of fire and their existence ends there. (Revelation 20:14) 14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

"This is the Second Death"!

Although Preachers all around the world Teach there will be Peace on Earth when Christ returns... that is not the case!

There will be HAVOC like never before.

As Always... I say do Not Believe me! Read it for yourself then test it. Do not take my word for what I say!

Mr. Bell, did you visit Mr. Parker while he was detained?