A Few Thoughts

Michael,

Taking a glance through your past and current blogs, it is clear you have NO IDEA what it is to be peaceful or accepting of differences. Is it even surprising that you disagree with the decision? He could strike a deal to end all nuclear weapons manufacturing and you would call it being defenseless, rather than taking steps towards being peaceful.

All your talk about Jesus, yet I never read where he enlisted in an army and waged war to accomplish peace.

and all that is spiritual, no guns, no grenades, no standing army, no nuclear bombs, no rocks, no WEAPONS. Period.

darrick_04

Couldn't help but think you haven't read the Book of Revelation yet.

When Christ returns he and his army of angels will defeat all the kings of the earth's armies who come against him. These 10 Kings of the earth receive authority as kings along with the beast, but not kingdoms, for one hour.

In that one hour, just "One Hour", Christ defeats all of the armies who come against him. (Rev 17:12-14)

He captures the False Prophet and the Beast who are running everything here on earth and throws them alive into the lake of fire.

Christ Destroys the city of Babylon and locks Satan up in the bottomless pit for one thousand years.

Then he sends his angels out among the people to kill the evil doers, leaving only the righteous alive.

Christ needs no weapons. He doesn't even need an army of angels because all he has to do is speak it and it is done.

The kings of the earth have no chance in hell of defeating Christ and if they weren't Anti-Christ, they would know this. It is all foretold in the scriptures for all to read.

No weapons formed shall stand against the word of God. (Isaiah 54:17)

Christ came not to judge nor war with anyone but to bring salvation. When he returns, then you will see his vengeance. He is returning, this time to revenge his elect, to take his throne back from the beast and the Anti-Christ and to make the whole wide world see him for who he really is.

This is what the bible refers to as the "Battle of Armageddon".

The Lord sometimes, uses other people to do his bidding. Just like he will defeat the armies of the kings of the earth (the One World Army), then uses them to turn on and destroy the city of Babylon.

Michael Bell,

Why do you want to undo what God has already planned for the future of mankind.

God knows all things from the foundation of the earth. God gave Lucifer and the angels in heaven, just like each of us, a free will to choose our walk in life as we wish.

Lucifer chose to be a God and defeat Jehovah God. He has become a god and is the god of this earth and of the system of things. He offered Jesus any kingdom on earth if he would worship him, so Satan is the God of this earth and its kingdoms.

God knows which path we will take in life and has already written our names in the Book of Life or not.

God created man and put a soul in each of us male and female to give us life. He knows what is in our hearts and minds. There are no secrets from God.

Our founding Fathers drew up the Declaration of Independence that declared us a free people...

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness...

Even the Angels in heaven wanted to come to earth to take wives of the women here on earth and God consented to it at the cost of being imprisoned in hell after their days were up. These angels corrupted men and women on earth that led to homosexuality, sodomy, bestiality etc..

God and our Constitution allows us to do whatever we want to do, but we will pay the price in the end. You have no God given right to take away anyone's right to do anything or have anything that you disagree with.

Your calling is to convert them but not take any rights or free will away from anyone that God, as their Creator, gave them. When you do that you are their legislator, judge and jury and next you will want to be their executioner.

Live and let live and teach God's word against it.

Ban abortion forever and make it a crime and when your daughters get married and must have a serious operation where they must abort or die themselves, God forbid it should ever happen, but you will wish you could change it.

Or lock up all the lesbians and homosexuals and see just how many relatives and friends must go to jail.

What you do in your church and home is one thing but...

How can we put blame on people who are curious about their own sexuality when God's own Angels, who had eternal life, not only lusted after the women here on earth, but had to take them as their wives.

If angels have no gender organs, are we to assume all angels are male or are there female angels too or do they even need organs to lust after beautiful earthly women?

Darrick......If you were Christ and you had all the power and might of God at your immediate disposal which weapon would you have chosen to use?

Again, just curious....but you honestly think any of the terrorist nations will abide by any disarming agreement? Sadam and COUNTLESS resolutions come to mind. Yes! Every little dictator wants to become a big dictator. Elsewise their people would live in a free society much like this one.

Yawn . . . .

Good stuff Mike, and I agree with jaxspike...

appropriate title, michaelbell. "few thoughts"; you could not describe your work better. lets see, you hate gays, you hate so-called "liberals", you are against abortion, and the world is ending soon (i am not holding my breath). don't let the parsity of thoughts prevent you from saying them over and over and over and over and...

Liveforlight,

I see it appears you have seen the fruit under that tree and discern wisely what tree it is of.

thank you honda

Uniquo_Lies

I have not said or judged you to be anti-christ. By your own admission, you are not the good samaritan and are unwilling to intervene in order to protect yourself from lawsuits from the victim.

Concerning WWII you asked: Who lost the most lives, the Jews or the Japanese?

Who attacked whom? Who did the Jews attack? The Japanese attacked us, China, the Philipines, etc.

God will judge our judgements. You have talked extensively with Blessed Assurance on the parable of the wheat and the tares. Jesus used seeds in parables probably to help a mostly agricultural society understand in their own terms.

So sticking with Jesus teaching, in a field situation, such as my garden, by cultivating the "Good" seed that Christ planted it can grow in my heart and in the world and be more fruitful.

Cultivating means being a worker in the field with a hoe. Jesus told his disciples to pray for more workers.

Now as you know, if you let weeds grow in your garden, and do nothing, the weeds will eventually take over. That will probably happen at some point, when there are no more workers to care for the garden. In the mean time, you will gather much more fruit from your garden by getting rid of the weeds.

Homosexuality and abortion are definitely weeds growing in the garden of the U.S.A. Do nothing and they will take over, choking out the good seed. At that point some people set fire to their garden and burn off whatever is left or plow it under and start over.

If you want to hasten in the harvest by letting the weeds grow, then what of providing the Lord with the most fruit his garden can yield?

I took part in Crossroads this year. Let me say that the play was not about judging a girl/woman from having an abortion. It dealt with the guilt they suffer afterwards, and the fact God will forgive us for anything if we are truly sorry. If some of you who are for legal abortion saw the pictures of aborted babies you might change your mind. I saw images of bodies torn apart, but the worst was of a baby who looked perfect in every way--except it's body was black from the saline solution used to kill it. I pray you will change your mind--because we will be judged by God for allowing this to happen.

greeneyes,

You posted: I pray you will change your mind--because we will be judged by God for allowing this to happen.

God forced the Jews to kill every man, woman and child, born or not, when he took them into the promise land. This was so these anti-Christ people would not contaminate the Jews and their faith and belief. That is what we call genocidal today.

Does that mean we should kill all non Christians like God did so we won't be tempted to sin or worship other gods? No, that is what Hitler tried to do in his mind. So we can not do what God did, but have to live and let live and let God deal with his children.

Satan kills millions of people every year. They are men, women and children and even unborn children. He uses floods, earthquakes, hurricanes, wars, autos, trains, planes and freak accidents to kill, cripple or disease not just God's children but people from all nations, tongue and religions.

Satan, the false prophet and the beast have big plans in the last days and they are not going to be pretty.

Then Christ will return and People will want to die but death will not come.

Revelation 9:6

And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.

This is not Joy and Peace.

This is from the fear of the Lord and his Presence, not the peace and joy in their hearts.

Revelation 1:7

Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

When the law runs foul of doing good I believe we should choose good.

-- Posted by Liveforlight on Tue, Oct 13, 2009, at 4:56 PM

Absolutely, no matter what the expense.

And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.

This is not Joy and Peace.

Posted by Unique-Lies on Tue, Oct 13, 2009, at 4:15 PM

Definitely not for those who are appointed to the wrath.

Thank God His children are told to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.

Oops, John 4:9 wasn't suppose to be in there. Was thinking the injured party was a Samaritan. That's one of the problems with getting old I guess.

Liveforlight;

You posted:

I believe it is about identifying the 4 different soil types (people) upon which the good farmer (Christ) spread the seeds.

Therefore, it stands to reason to me, based on the tares and wheat parable, that the evil one is also sowing his seed on the same soil.

(Matthew 13:18-23)

Jesus explains it to his disciples. In a way we are both right. First a farmer (like you pointed out you were) would know not to plant seeds in barren soil. It must be reworked before planting anything in it, so anyone (the Planter, which isn't Christ, because he isn't here now) planting the "Word of God" on this type soil (people) would know it won't take more than likely. However we must spread the word to everyone and hope that the best will take.

I have pointed out several times that no matter who preaches or what they preach, people will not come to Christ until God sends them.(John 6:65) So, your seed is going to fall along the path or in rocks etc., until God's grace falls upon them.

If they haven't received the Grace from God, then the devil comes and turns them away from the word. You see it happen everyday or many times when you try to teach the word to someone who just isn't ready to hear it. The Jehovah Witnesses is a good example. They try to teach the word of God to people in their homes, but people don't want to listen for one reason or another. Unless I am busy, I will discuss the bible with anyone.

-> you said: Therefore, it stands to reason to me, based on the tares and wheat parable, that the evil one is also sowing his seed on the same soil.

From what I read the evil one doesn't have to plant on the same soil because it won't grow anything worth reaping.

A good example of this parable would be like a gardener who hoes and cultivates his garden spot and makes it fertile before he plants his crops.

As the plants begin to sprout he weeds his garden and keeps it watered. When everything is starting to look like a crop the worms come and eat the lettuce and cabbage over night. The rabbits eat the carrots and other plants. A drought comes and the sun burns the plants alive or a rain won't stop and floods the garden til the plants die. This is the evil one destroying the seed without him planting any seeds himself.

-> you said: Being familiar with farming, I also know that the soil can be cultivated by the worker to become good soil my removing rocks, plowing, and removing thorns and thistles, thereby preparing the soil to receive the good seed and produce a good crop.

Here you are preparing the soil for your seed. The same thing as God sending someone to receive Jesus Christ. God has to prepare his children to receive Christ as their Lord and Savior. Until that happens, your seeds won't grow anything strong, but will spread the Word of God.

In other words, if you preach to a Homosexual or someone who is for abortions, you are planting seed in the rocks. They must be touched by God to change their way of life. God has given everyone a free will and has already planned their life for them from the beginning.

For example the bible tells us that God hardened the heart of the Pharaoh of Egypt so he would not let his people go. The Pharaoh had no choice in this matter. He did what God had planned for him to do. God made him hard-hearted to the point that he lost his first born son. God made him finally let his people go, then made him come after his people so He could set an example for the world to see.

-> you said: How can I hate the sin and love the sinner? I will attempt to explain that as well.

->> I asked: How can you love them and judge them at the same time? If you love someone you sure don't judge them. God's children are not suppose to judge them.

I know that the Christians all want a sin free world to live in so they won't be tempted by other peoples sins. That my friends WILL NEVER HAPPEN until the First Resurrection takes place and they reign with Christ for one thousand years. Then it starts all over again here on earth with the same ol people.

->You posted: The same with abortion. I can not, nor dare not, condemn the person, only the sinful actions.

Abortion is a little different from your example of your son scraping his fingernails on a chalkboard. Abortion is murder! The constitution gives us the right to do anything we want to do as long as we don't injure anyone or do property damage. An Abortion does both so the constitution doesn't protect abortions, however, life doesn't begin here on earth until they breathe air into their lungs and keep breathing. Althou a baby is a life form that moves and kicks, it is born a still born dead baby unless it starts breathing.

I think it is better to have an abortion than for the mother to wait until her baby is a couple months old and put it in an oven at 350 degrees or leave it in a car with the windows rolled up or 3 or 4 years old and lock them in the car and drive it into a lake with their seat restraints fastened or.....

You posted: Perhaps he was writing the names of the ones they had committed adultery with, we don't know the scripture doesn't say. Whatever took place, they were convicted of their own sin. He, being sinless, was compassionate and told her sin no more or worse things could happen.

I thought that answer was amusing and liked your way of thinking. Who knows. Jesus told her to go and sin no more period. He did not add sin no more or worse things could happen. I do that! Once Jesus saves you and you taste the gifts of the Holy Spirit you can not sin again or you no longer have any sacrifice for sin.

(Hebrews 6:6)

6 if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because[b]to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.

-> you posted;

You may be right that the rich were pulling the strings of war.... God will be the one to judge their decisions, not you or me.

The rich Bankers that I speak of is the rich bankers who own the whole world. All the countries are bankrupt or becoming bankrupt not just the USA. They all are starving and have to be helped by the Federal Reserve who is not an American Company. They are no more federal than federal express. They are owned by the International Monetary Fund. Look on the back of your IRS Check. This IMF runs the whole world trading and economy. They determine when they want to cause an inflation/deflation/chaos and when to recover with billions in their pockets.

The City of Babylon will be destroyed when Christ returns and the kings of the earth will turn on them (these rich "IMF" Bankers) and burn them to the ground with the city.

-> and now; The good Samaritan parable: You said in a previous post that you were basically afraid of being sued by the victim. The presence or absence of the robber has nothing to do with the victim suing you if it is the victim that is doing the suing. That is why I used this example.

If I am in a store and someone comes in with a gun and is robbing the owner, I am not going to walk up and attack the robber, knowing that the owner could be shot to death if I don't.

If I walk in to a store and the owner has been robbed and shot, I would call 911 and try to stop the bleeding. I would not be doing anything that I would be sued for like moving the victim after a car accident that could paralyze the victim.

In a domestic fight where a man is beating his girlfriend or wife, I would not step in because too many times the hero is beaten by the girlfriend or wife and her attacker for hurting her boyfriend/husband. They helped no one.

If someone is laying helpless on the ground and no one is around to help him I would help him and do what I could to save his life or make him comfortable. I am not a doctor, so I couldn't perform any medical procedures to be sued for.

I really wouldn't worry too much about someone suing me because a Sovereign can not be sued in his own court without his consent. The Siren vs U.S. 74 U.S. 152

-> You insisted: Unless I misunderstood, you had pretty much said you would walk on by and not intervene.

Your original argument was:

It sounds as if you are saying that if you are witness to a murder about to take place, or a beating, that you would not intervene, in order that the person would be able to choose their right to choose evil over good.

Again I say I would not intervene in a murder about to happen. Too many things could go wrong making it look like I was the murderer of two people? Or if I jump in to help a woman or even a man from being beaten, I could be beaten also and make the beater even madder at the beatee wherefore I have just made the victim suffer more than help them.

I have always said, no one really knows what they will do until they are faced with it. I stick to that.

-> then you posted: I agree we should always do good. It is especially more true when the law is against doing good.

The bible says when you are born again, God lives inside of you. You are present with the Lord (absent in the body and present with the Lord) and He who is in you is Greater than he who is in the world. I can give you these verses if you need them.

You can no longer sin (1 John 3:1-9) because God is within you living your life to the fullest. SO in reality, unknowingly to most Christians, you can not sin as long a God is within you. If you are sinning, God has left your Temple.

-> Your last 2 but a very important comments: If the law supports doing evil, I don't see how a jury can have any effect on it. They are told to base their decisions on the law and whether or not the defendant is guilty of breaking that law.

That is where the judges are doing an injustice. They are suppose to let the Jury determine the law and the facts. No one really knows the laws so the judges tell them what the law states.

Jury Nullification is where a jury can vote not guilty to a crime that is on the books, but should not be applied as a law.

Here is what happens. The case goes into legal precedents or a "legal decision or form of proceeding serving as an authoritative rule or pattern in future similar or analogous cases".

If a lawyer is smart enough to find this case when he has a similar case, he can use it to get his client off. If the lawyer doesn't find this precedent he can't use it to help his client.

It doesn't really change the law or take it off the books, but it is located somewhere in the legal precedents for those lawyers to use. The more it is used the more it becomes the dominating law. Soon it is used to defend everyone against that law.

It doesn't work the other way. You can't find a person guilty of no crime because that would be a expost facto law, forbidden by the constitutions. It is punishing someone for committing a crime that hasn't been enacted yet.

This would be a violation the their constitutional right to due process of the law because they would be found guilty without reasonable cause. And also on the vagueness of the law.

Yes, God can do anything!

Unique_Lies

You are correct that Jesus did not add the comment to the Adulterer "that worse things could happen". However there are worse things than being stoned to death, such as burning in hell for eternity which i suppose in her condition may have happened also.

The point is there are worse things than the immediate result of sin, or in my example, scratching a chalkboard.

You said Christ is not here now. Does he not live in each of us? Did he not say he would be with us always, even until the end of the age?

The seed which represents the word, also represents thought or ideas. I would rather prevent the idea of sin, or scratching a chalkboard, of ever entering the innocent mind than to have to deal with the weeds that grow out of it. Eve was innocent until Satan planted the seed and she let it grow in her. Then she came to know evil. She already new good (God).

If we as a nation condone abortion then we plant the idea that it is OK when it is not.

I believe a baby is an alive human being with a sould before it ever breathes its' first breath of air. God said he knew Jeremiah before he was born Jer 1:5.

If we are full of light and goodness, or in other words, if the field is growing full with good seed, there will be no room for the evil ones to take root. The soil will already be used up with good. The spirit that travels through arid places will not come back to an empty house but a full one.

I am no lawyer or teacher and my langauge is not as precise as yours. My points are not meant to address a precise point, so the changing of the conversation about legal matters and whether the person is being robbed, murdered, or abused is being obscured. My point is that I believe we should intervene against anything that results in suffering if we have the means.

This is another point, but I believe God will continue with you even if you sin again after your conversion as long as you repent. Jesus told his disceiples to forgive each time they were asked (70 times 70). If you are precise, I guess that means 490 times. Good thing too, because some of us will need them all.

Liveforlight,

Oh my, Who is suppose to burn in hell for an eternity?

What I said was:

"That is easy to answer. If Christ was walking the earth now, it would be the second coming of Christ and He isn't doing any healing when he returns."

Then I said "Outside of that, if Christ WAS here now, healing people,..."

Jesus said he would send the holy spirit to be with us forever.

(John 14:16)

16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

The father, the son and the holy ghost are one and the same, so Jesus, God and the Holy Spirit are with us always if we abide in his word.

-> The seed which represents the word, also represents thought or ideas; When we receive Jesus Christ the seed is planted in us. Jesus lives in us and therefore we can not sin. The Holy Spirit does not sin so it doesn't let you sin intentionally. If you commit a sin that you know is a sin, then you have pushed the Holy Spirit away to commit that sin, idea or thought. If you walk in the light you will not turn to sin ever and have to deal with the weeds as you put it.

-> Eve was innocent until Satan planted the seed and she let it grow in her. Then she came to know evil. She already new good (God).

Actually Eve knew nothing about anything being good or bad. She was allowed to do anything her mind could dream up to do, except partake of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. What possible sin was there back then where there was only two people, a man and a woman. She knew that she was not allowed to partake of this one tree, so Satan told her "For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil."

-> If we as a nation condone abortion then we plant the idea that it is OK when it is not.

If we as a nation DO NOT condone abortion then we plant the idea that it is murder and have just created another law that God tells us we are no longer under, to confuse the Christians even more about their Salvation and preventing many from turning to God.

Like I said in my last post You can make it a law, and a jury can Nullify it so it isn't a law. You will then have the same scenario played out like it is today. Until the Constitution of these United States are destroyed completely, I don't think congress will every make it a law not to be able to abort.

-> God said he knew Jeremiah before he was born Jer 1:5

God knows each of us before we are born even those babies who never live.

-> If we are full of light and goodness, or in other words, if the field is growing full with good seed, there will be no room for the evil ones to take root.The soil will already be used up with good.

Have you not read the Great History book that predicts what will happen in the future? There is no problem of that ever happening in this earth age. In fact, it is just a matter of time before the world will turn to a false Religion and worship the Beast and his image.

-> My point is that I believe we should intervene against anything that results in suffering if we have the means.

My dad asked me if I would jump off a cliff just because everyone else did. I told him no! I will do what I need to do, but I have my limits to what I will do for someone else's suffering.

If a UN Troop came to your house and told you to kneel down to the beast or they would torture your wife or children, what would you do?

-> Jesus told his disceiples to forgive each time they were asked (70 times 70).

Matthew 18:21-22

21 Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?

22 Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.

Jesus told Peter to forgive "his brother" 70 times 7. Not the same as someone willfully sinning against God's commandments.

Hebrews 10:18

18 And where these have been forgiven, there is no longer any sacrifice for sin.

I am beginning to think this is saying once forgiven there is no NEED for any more sacrifices or forgiveness.

But (Hebrews 6:4-6) is a little harder to understand.

4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,

5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

Unique_Lies

You Posted:

Abortion is a little different from your example of your son scraping his fingernails on a chalkboard. Abortion is murder!

AND

If we as a nation DO NOT condone abortion then we plant the idea that it is murder and have just created another law that God tells us we are no longer under, to confuse the Christians even more about their Salvation and preventing many from turning to God.

Seems to be conflicting statements. In one you say it is murder. In the next you say we are planting the idea that it is murder.

Is it murder or not? I think it is. If so, why wouldn't we not want to plant the truth?

You asked:

1.)Who is supposed to burn in hell for eternity?

I was speculating that the adulteress might burn in hell if she had of been stoned to death for her sin.

2.)If someone came to my house and demand me to worship (I assume you mean this by "bow down") the beast or they would torture my family what would I do?

I won't know for sure until that happens. I will not willfully worship the beast of this much I am sure. I would be in instant prayer and more than likely i would try to expel the torturers from my home using physical force if necessary to protect my family, even at the cost of my own physical life.

You Said;

My dad asked me if I would jump off a cliff just because everyone else did. I told him no! I will do what I need to do, but I have my limits to what I will do for someone else's suffering

Sorry I don't see how jumping off a cliff can ease anyone elses suffering.

Jesus died for us while we were still sinners. The suffering he did saved us from suffering the seperation from God. I want to be like him.

The "brothers" are those who know and do the will of God of which i am pretty sure Peter was aware of. I don't think Jesus would tell Peter to do something that he himself was unwilling to do.

I don't think it is the same repenting and asking forgiveness for a sin that you know is sin before you commit it. That is willful disobedience. Eve's sin fits into that category as well.

However, I know God is gracious, knows the heart and knows whether or not your repentance is sincere. No further sacrifice is needed, Jesus has already met that requirement.

The simple question is; do you love him and place him above everything else, even you own life, having an ernest desire to do, sew, grow, cultivate, and be an example to what pleases him?

If so, then he knows your heart and the sincerity of it. I believe his grace will cover for any mistakes we may make along the way.

At least these blogs do serve to challenge my thinking and help me study his word. Very time consuming though.

Looks like only 144,000 are caught up in the clouds to meet Jesus in the air.

The multitude that is too numerous to count are the saints who go to the new heaven after Christ judges mankind.

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Wed, Oct 14, 2009, at 9:45 PM

Classic example of re-ordering the events to make it fit a conceived idea.

By any chance are you trying to read Revelation or at least chapters of it backwards?

Blessed Assurance;

Perhaps, maybe, you can tell the readers just what this rapture is you swear by and how it will come about with bible scriptures that prove what you are saying.

I personally have heard preachers say

1) they will be among the 144,000 who are raptured up (Rev 7:4-8)and (Rev 14:1)

2) they will reign with Christ for a thousand years in heaven and (Rev 20:4)

3) Jesus will wipe every tear from their eyes. (Rev 21:4)

4) There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away." (Rev 21:4)

5) they will reign with Christ forever and ever. (Rev 14:4)

The first 4 are nothing short of Unique-Lies. The 5th one is true.

So let us see what you think the rapture is and how it unfolds. and the bible scriptures that apply to each phase.

Show us what you got!

Again, no one knows for sure what they will do in any situation until the situation is upon them. Even the best laid plan may fail in an instant.

Giving up my life for my family? Yes, my physical life in order to save not only their physical but their spiritual lives as well. I am the spiritual leader of my family. If they see me use my last breath to oppose the beast, then they are likely to do the same. That was your question (what would I do?).

I must surrender my physical life in order to save my spiritual life as must we all. If that doesn't answer your question maybe it just isn't the answer you were looking for.

I don't agree that pulling the plug is murder.

Many times it is the wish of the patient and they may live through it, if not, it is not that the doctors took their life, but that their life had already ran it's course and was no longer able to sustain itself. If they had never been hooked to a machine at all the physical symblance of life would have probably already ceased.

Ripping a baby from the womb, often in pieces, definitly kills the baby a viable life if left alone to grow wher God placed it. This is attacking a life with a machine, not disconnecting from a machine.

Yes, I have forgiven the ones I know (and everyone else, I love them, and you, though we may disagree),who have had an abortion and they ALL SAY they regret it. It troubles them deeply. You see, I can forgive them but it is much harder for them to forgive themselves.

The tides are turning against abortion unlike it was when they had their abortions and Rowe vs Wade was just passed. I think a lot of Christians were blindsided by it then, but since have waken up. It has been with a lot of prayer, conviction of the holy spirit, and work from the christian community to stand against an obvious evil that support for abortion has diminished.

I don't think it will ever be eliminated until the return of Christ just like many other sins. That much I think we can agree on. Few weeds is better than many.

You can be for it in your house if you like, you have your logic, I have mine, and I know God will judge us both justly.

The bible says the saved will be left and the lost will be taken or slain.

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Thu, Oct 15, 2009, at 11:59 PM

Unique-Lies,

Again, that is your opinion and of coarse you are entitled to have it.

I was hoping you would realize that once you leave Revelation in the order John gave it, you would see that only the lost and the 144,000 sealed are left on earth when the scorpions are let loose for the 5 month torments at the fifth trumpet.

Early on in Revelation at the sixth seal opening before the trumpets are the vast multitude in heaven that no man could number.

So pray tell, why does God need a Rapture to catch people up in the clouds when they go to heaven when they die. Since Christians will not be affected by the Tribulations meant for the sinners, why do you feel God needs to rapture them up out of the tribulations. The Multitude so numerous to count went threw the Great Tribulation.

Posted by Unique-Lies on Fri, Oct 16, 2009, at 1:41 PM

I do not think it says they went through or came out of The Great Tribulation. It merely said they came out of great tribulation.

Much like the tribulations Paul told the Thessalonians about who were at that time ignorant of the resurrection.

1 Thessalonians 3

1Wherefore when we could no longer forbear, we thought it good to be left at Athens alone;

2And sent Timotheus, our brother, and minister of God, and our fellowlabourer in the gospel of Christ, to establish you, and to comfort you concerning your faith:

3That no man should be moved by these afflictions: for yourselves know that we are appointed thereunto.

4For verily, when we were with you, we told you before that we should suffer tribulation; even as it came to pass, and ye know.

2 Thessalonians 1: 4-

4So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure:

Christiians have suffered great and many tribulations for thousands of years. Probably why the multitude is of such number that no man could count.

Unique, if every human on earth today went through The Great Tribulation to come and 100% of all mankind was Christian I could count and number the entire population. Simply put, there is not enough humans alive today to even resemble a multitude too great to number.

Think about it. Pretty simple logic.

Especially when you leave Revelation in the order John gave it.

No need for you to try and tune it as you have claimed before. It's just fine like it is. Accept it and look for the Peace and Joy.

BA,

You posted: I do not know of a preacher who thinks like you do. You are unique.

You can thank God for that. Even you can't see eye to eye with me. I simply asked you to tell me why preaches tell certain Lies that I hear them preach all the time and you answer my questions with:

"I do not know of a preacher who thinks like you do. You are unique."

How does that answer the questions I asked about what preachers preach to their church.

If you can not even read my posts correctly and answer them sensibly why should anyone listen to you?

The book of Revelation isn't completely understood by theologians yet, so we can only speculate as to what everything means in Revelation.

For example:

The First Trumpet (Revelation 8:7)

7 The first angel sounded his trumpet, and there came hail and fire mixed with blood, and it was hurled down upon the earth. A third of the earth was burned up, a third of the trees were burned up, and all the green grass was burned up.

The Second Trumpet (Revelation 8:8-9)

8 The second angel sounded his trumpet, and something like a huge mountain, all ablaze, was thrown into the sea. A third of the sea turned into blood,

9 a third of the living creatures in the sea died, and a third of the ships were destroyed.

The Third Trumpet (Revelation 8:10-11)

10 The third angel sounded his trumpet, and a great star, blazing like a torch, fell from the sky on a third of the rivers and on the springs of water--

11 the name of the star is Wormwood. A third of the waters turned bitter, and many people died from the waters that had become bitter.

The Forth Trumpet (Revelation 8:12)

12 The fourth angel sounded his trumpet, and a third of the sun was struck, a third of the moon, and a third of the stars, so that a third of them turned dark. A third of the day was without light, and also a third of the night.

The Fifth Trumpet (Revelation 9:1-5)

1 The fifth angel sounded his trumpet, and I saw a star that had fallen from the sky to the earth. The star was given the key to the shaft of the Abyss.

2 When he opened the Abyss, smoke rose from it like the smoke from a gigantic furnace. The sun and sky were darkened by the smoke from the Abyss.

3 And out of the smoke locusts came down upon the earth and were given power like that of scorpions of the earth.

4 They were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any plant or tree, but only those people who did not have the seal of God on their foreheads.

5 They were not given power to kill them, but only to torture them for five months. And the agony they suffered was like that of the sting of a scorpion when it strikes a man.

The Sixth Trumpet (Revelation 9:13-21)

13 The sixth angel sounded his trumpet, and I heard a voice coming from the horns[b] of the golden altar that is before God.

14 It said to the sixth angel who had the trumpet, "Release the four angels who are bound at the great river Euphrates.

15 And the four angels who had been kept ready for this very hour and day and month and year were released to kill a third of mankind.

16 The number of the mounted troops was two hundred million. I heard their number.

17 The horses and riders I saw in my vision looked like this: Their breastplates were fiery red, dark blue, and yellow as sulfur. The heads of the horses resembled the heads of lions, and out of their mouths came fire, smoke and sulfur.

18 A third of mankind was killed by the three plagues of fire, smoke and sulfur that came out of their mouths.

19 The power of the horses was in their mouths and in their tails; for their tails were like snakes, having heads with which they inflict injury.

20 The rest of mankind that were not killed by these plagues still did not repent of the work of their hands; they did not stop worshiping demons, and idols of gold, silver, bronze, stone and wood--idols that cannot see or hear or walk.

21 Nor did they repent of their murders, their magic arts, their sexual immorality or their thefts.

The Seventh Trumpet (Revelation 11:15-19)

15 The seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, which said: "The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ, and he will reign for ever and ever."

16 And the twenty-four elders, who were seated on their thrones before God, fell on their faces and worshiped God,

17 saying: "We give thanks to you, Lord God Almighty, the One who is and who was, because you have taken your great power and have begun to reign.

18 The nations were angry; and your wrath has come. The time has come for judging the dead, and for rewarding your servants the prophets and your saints and those who reverence your name, both small and great-- and for destroying those who destroy the earth."

19 Then God's temple in heaven was opened, and within his temple was seen the ark of his covenant. And there came flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder, an earthquake and a great hailstorm.

And THEN Blessed Assurance in Chapter 12...

John talks about the Word coming to earth and being born of a woman as the only begotten son and Satan trying to devour her son at birth, but God snatches him up to his throne. Satan fights Michael in a war in heaven and looses. That ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.... Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to make war against the rest of her offspring--those who obey God's commandments and hold to the testimony of Jesus.

Blessed Assurance _ John sees all this "after" the Seventh Trumpet is sounded and Christ becomes king of his kingdoms on earth.

As I read the Bible this has already happened but the return of Christ with the 7th Trumpet has not happened yet. So please tell me why I should not think John's writings are out of order just a little bit.

->> You also posted: I think you missed my point earlier when I showed the order of events as John has them. The 144,000 are left here on earth. The locust at the 5th trumpet are told to torment everyone but the 144,000 for 5 months. And it clearly says the locust are on the earth.

No I didn't miss your point. I know the Christians will not be harmed by these locusts. The Bible doesn't say anything about the 144,000 when these locust are on the earth tormenting the sinners. All Christians who are alive on the earth at this time would be marked in the foreheads by God because they have waited patiently for his return and stayed in his word. If God is inside of you, his angels will see him in you.

the Blessed Assurance guy,

Again you can not understand my questions and answer them. You only want me to connect the dots. What a great Blessed Assurance you are. If you can't understand my simple earthly questions and answer them you sure can't be trusted to give answers about the scriptures.

I simply asked you to defend the preachers if you believe what they are preaching and answer a couple things that I believe to be Lies they preach. Since you can not defend them, you re-enforce my belief that they are teaching lies.

Unique-Lies,

To believe you would indeed make almost every preacher a liar.

Most preachers I know understand the Good News quite well and present it as such.

There is Peace and Joy in the Good News.

Unique-Lies,

Did they detect your secrets?

I have now read most of the archives and they did know you well.

Truthfully, there is very little that I do not agree with them or Mr. Bell on.

I like all of them think you mean well, but you just have things a little mixed up.

When you get the Good News right you will find that Peace and Joy I keep wishing for you.

I sincerely pray you find it. I have been where you are at today before and I know the torment and dread you are in.

I myself am going to bed for the night to get a good nights' rest.