A Little Something for Everybody

Michael,

What do you think of this Carrie Prejean debacle? This is the girl who opposed homosexuals getting married because she was a Christian. Do you have any more information to share regarding her wholesome videos, pictures and breast augmentations?

Michael,

What do you think of this Carrie Prejean debacle? This is the girl who opposed homosexuals getting married because she was a Christian. Do you have any more information to share regarding her wholesome videos, pictures and breast augmentations?

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Mon, Nov 16, 2009, at 12:09 PM

So, what is your point? Her actions do not invalidate what the Bible says about homosexuality. Nor does it really invalidate her opinion. Because, her opinion is still biblically correct. What it does invalidate is her credibility as a spokesperson.

Hypocritical? Yes, that is one of the favorite charges leveled against Christians. However, I bet that if I could put your life under a magnifying glass, I am sure I could find hypocrisy in your life, as well as anyone who has ever uttered the word hypocrite. I an no exception, but, when I do find it in my life, whether through self examination, or when pointed out by others, I actively seek to eliminate the hypocrisy from my life. Not always an easy task.

Now, for her actions, as a brother in Christ I would advise her to first, repent, go before God and seek His forgiveness. Second, I would have her apologize to those who had put their trust in her and and ask for their forgiveness.

Midnight Rider,

I asked him his opinion. He stated how she was courageous to stand up as a Christian about homosexual marriage. And I am asking what his opinion of her now.

I agree, as a spokesperson she is unreal, I never said she was a hypocrite, you did.

In the Bible, it says un-natural acts, wouldn't breast augmentations be considered the same thing?

The main problem I had was that she called herself a Christian yet totally defy everything it stands to be. From the point she made the decision to call herself one all the way up to defending her weird ideals of right and wrong.

For Example: She says Breast Augmentation and Pornographic films is not a sin because it isn't in the Bible...

How can you even think that way? She argues times are different, but only what she deems so? You can't pick and choose what is right and wrong just because it is convenient on how it affects your lifestyle.

FUTURE FORECAST!

Cloudy with a chance of brimstone. Periods of SON shine, followed by SON for eternity.

Do you think the adulteress that Jesus told to go and sin no more was still forgiven next time she committed adultery?

If so, then it would seem that everyone on earth would get to heaven simply by believing in Christ no works needed at all.

Yet the Bible says the way is narrow and few enter in. Can a "forgiven" person go to hell?

Sometimes the truth is hard and the light causes us to squint. As Christian we should live and teach as Christ did. We should try to be like him, not Paul or Peter.

Sorry but this way of thinking has me pretty darn confused.

Let me get this straight... A Christian homosexual is not allowed to marry, but a Christian woman is allowed to morph her body into something it wasn't intended? And it is acceptable?

Evil Monkey,

What is a Christian homosexual?

parkerbrothers preaches that if you are saved by the grace of God and accept Jesus Christ as Lord, you are saved and have eternal life and nothing you can do or say short of blaspheming the Holy Ghost can take your salvation away.

Then he preaches that if you are a saved homosexual you will not go to heaven because the path is narrow and straight and they are committing sin.

Now I am interested in how that applies to some but not all?

Does that mean a homosexual who is saved can NOT back slide and engage in a homosexual experience any more or they go to Hell, yet anyone else can sin over and over again and still go to heaven?

Sounds like parkerbrothers needs to do some more reading.

The bible tells us that when we die, we do NOT go to Heaven nor to Hell. We SLEEP until we are Resurrected back here on this earth. We live again for a short time then Christ destroys the evil and Judgment begins. So we are not even judged until after we have been Resurrected and lived a second time here on earth.

In the last chapter of the Bible, John tells us that the sinners will not be allowed in heaven, but outside the New City of jerusalem. And we thought all the sinners went to hell for an eternity. Sounds like some sinners may inherit the new earth, but not allowed in heaven.

Could this mean the people who are saved and have eternal life, yet continue to sin?

That's above my knowledge.

It just all depends on if their names are written in the Book of Life.

Rev 22:10-15 (New Living Bible)

10 Then he instructed me, "Do not seal up the prophetic words in this book, for the time is near.

11 Let the one who is doing harm continue to do harm; let the one who is vile continue to be vile; let the one who is righteous continue to live righteously; let the one who is holy continue to be holy."

12 "Look, I am coming soon, bringing my reward with me to repay all people according to their deeds. 13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End."

14 Blessed are those who wash their robes. They will be permitted to enter through the gates of the city and eat the fruit from the tree of life.

15 Outside the city are the dogs--the sorcerers, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idol worshipers, and all who love to live a lie.

What? Looks this isn't about needing paragraph after paragraph to avoid the issue. All I want is a simple answer. So I am going to simplify it as much as I can.

Why is Carrie's sin not viewed the same as the homosexual?

Why is Carrie's sin not viewed the same as the homosexual?

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Wed, Nov 18, 2009, at 10:53 AM

Is it not? Sin is sin right?

Whether it is murder, (no wait that's a commandment) or homosexuality. If one continues in it then they reap their reward for their works.

If they repent (change) Christ will cleanse them.

Why is Carrie's sin not viewed the same as the homosexual?

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Wed, Nov 18, 2009, at 10:53 AM

Evil Monkey,

Sin is sin.

Whose eyes are doing the viewing you mentioned in your question?

BA,

So what is Carrie's sin?

Evil Monkey,

You were the one mentioning and questioning her sin. I don't know about her nor have I followed any recent stories.

I was simply say sin is sin.

I plainly expressed my belief that I was destined to go to hell because there was no other sacrifice. If I felt Jesus's Blood no longer took my sins away, it would be blasphemy for you or anyone else to even insinuate that I or anyone could be saved by any other sacrifice or event.

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Wed, Nov 18, 2009, at 2:21 PM

Unique-Lies,

I do not believe you can be saved by any other sacrafice or event.

Actually no one insinuated that other than yourself when you said you were at the mercy of whoever "might" execute you.

I fully believe the Blood is sufficient to cover all man's sins. Both before justification and after justication, all during sanctification, up to glorification.

I do not see the Blood only being sufficient up to the first sin after justification and having to rely on an executioner to provide me with the opportunity to become justified a second time as you seem to believe.

Sorry, but we are entitled to have different opinions and beliefs.

Simply put, I am relying on the work of Christ to justify me.

You are relying on someone you don't even know to do something to you that you do not even know for sure will happen in time.

Think about it. Am I wrong in understanding your hope?

Is this the hope you wish everyone to have that reads your posts?

The bible does not say anything about sinners being tormented for an eternity in hell or anywhere else. That is just an assumed Unique-Lie, because we were taught that we go to hell and spend eternity in hell being tortured forever. What a big whopper that is.

Posted by Unique-Lies on Wed, Nov 18, 2009, at 2:21 PM

Unique-Lies,

I think alot of people are calling the below torment or torture. I look at it as such.

41The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

42And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Perhaps you are thinking the fire will burn them up in a few minutes and the torture would be over.

I think the real torture that will burn is the fact of eternal seperation from the presence of God. That would be hell to me.

Be careful that in the process of criticizing the "looksism" of the popular culture that we don't send a wrong message to people who have plastic surgery for medical reasons or just to feel better about their bodies.

As I understand it,some of the verses used to condemn wearing hair-dos,clothing,etc. of another gender (are you the opposite sex or am I?) concerned the practice of "cross-dressing" to tap into supernatural power.

Like children playing dress-up in their parents' clothes,today's people lighten their hair and skin if it's dark,darken it if light,get perms,use flat irons,wear contact lenses,pad and compress their bodies to look like something they're not.

An article in a plastic surgery trade publication described the need for patient counseling before,during and after each procedure.

Partly,this is because people have unrealistic expectations about what the surgery will do.

In part,it is because the people out in the waiting room can't always tell who is a "before" and who is an "after."

While medically warranted operations are similar about everywhere,there are trends and regional differences that dictate what people want when they come in for eyelid surgery,bodysculpting and the like.

One person may come in for augmentation as a 36 C.

Another with the same dimensions may want a reduction while still another will shop around until she gets two dirigibles or medicine balls implanted onto her chest.

For all we know,Carrie may be too one-sided for her tastes.

She may be like another popular celebrity who didn't go bigger or smaller but had augmentation done to make her firmer,more proportionate and less "cartoonish".

We,like her doctors,should hope that her mental and physical health are protected and that she doesn't fall victim of needing to resemble the "flavor-of-the-month" with the "right" body type,etc.

The right spirit makes all of us beautiful and God (like Randy Travis) wouldn't care if we had zits,wrinkles,gray hair,no hair,dimpled chin,cleft palate,missing teeth,Pepsodent smile,round eyes,slanted eyes,Roman noses,button noses,a body like Pam Grier or one like Pee Wee Herman.

When people started making cake mixes and such,customers complained that their carefully constructed products failed abysmally.

Even though they had every ingredient in the correct proportions and explicit instructions,the cakes were still a disaster.

It turned out that people couldn't be satisfied until they had tweaked or "improved" the product.

Their "little bit more" of this and less of that changed the results.

Finally,the dry mix and frozen food people redesigned their products to need SOMEthing from the consumer.

Then,all was well.

We are guilty of that syndrome in other areas of our lives,too.

We may know God's grace is sufficient but we want the right appearance,the right posessions,etc. to gild the lily.

Can we be right with God if we get our noses bobbed,our lips inflated,our feet bound,our necks stretched,our teeth filed to points,our scalps plugged,our earlobes pierced and skin inked?

Can we take growth hormone,make out bodies match our chromosones,laser away hair,port wine stains and vitiligo?

Maybe,these physical alterations are no better and no worse than the rituals,psychotherapy,etc. we try to improve ourselves.

Yes,diet,exercise,good grooming,prayer,education and all that can help us but we get away from God's message of grace and redemption when we forget that His objective in changing us is not to make us as unlike our true selves as possible but to reveal who and what we really are without sin to obscure our "family resemblance" to Him.

Whether we try to conform to dogma,lawbooks,Emily Post,House Beautiful or Muscle & Fitness,if we base our lives on arbitrary works instead of unchanging Love and Reason,we fall short of His design for us.

Let us seek the kingdom of God first then we'll have enough of the power and beauty that counts to be able to take or leave the kind the world offers.

The Man-made version isn't necessarily wrong or harmful but it isn't as effective as the Heavenly sort.

(Besides,insurance doesn't always cover upgrades of the flesh but those of the soul have already been paid for!)

Really? Really? How did she repent after 7 porn tapes, and 100s of photos then breast augmentation? So a mere apology is all it takes? Really?

Posted by Evil Monkey on Wed, Nov 18, 2009, at 7:35 PM

Evil Monkey,

There is a difference between an apology and repentance.

A repentance that is justifying comes at salvation. Repentance is a 180 degree turn of heart, mind and soul from finding pleasure in sin unto a disdain for the very same thing we once viewed as pleasureable and realizing it brings us death. Repentance is not about perfectly keeping the Law or never sinning again. Someone who has truly repented and had a change of heart will find no pleasure in discovering they have sinned. Repentance is neccassary in order to come to the point where we realize we are lost on our own and need an attonement for the sin that brings death. Once we have repented of our heart held original view of sin we are now ready to accept the free gift of God of Grace by Faith in His only acceptable attonement for this sin we now view as the death sentence.

Repentance is not being sorry for the sins we have committed and apologizing.

Repentance is the 180 degree change of heart, mind and soul that enables and now causes us to be sorry for what once we joyed over. Sorrow is in the 180 degree opposite direction of joy.

Only God can judge the heart to see if repentance of sin has occurred. We can only judge and discern if something is sin. We can not and should not attempt to judge the heart of another as to how it truly views the sin we may be perceiving and discerning.

BA,

You posted: Think about it. Am I wrong in understanding your hope?

Yes! On one hand you say if anyone accepts Christ they are always saved and will go to heaven, yet you tell me that I am looking for some unknown executioner to send me to heaven.

I accepted Christ when I was 22 years old. I have always read my bible and lived a half way decent life.

That means I am still under his grace according to your beliefs, so if I am beheaded or just killed for believing in God and Christ then it is only better for me. I am not saying nor have I ever said there is any other way to God than through the son, Jesus Christ.

You Posted:

Only God can judge the heart to see if repentance of sin has occurred. We can only judge and discern if something is sin. We can not and should not attempt to judge the heart of another as to how it truly views the sin we may be perceiving and discerning.

-- Posted by Blessed Assurance on Wed, Nov 18, 2009, at 8:49 PM

My father will take care of me, good or bad and not for you to concern yourself. Let God judge me according to my WORKS!

I posted: The only thing is, all the preachers preach that all sinners who do not believe in his only begotten son "shall not perish, but have everlasting life" also.

I still stand by this.

Although they may not say the words "shall not perish" and "also", it still applies because they are saying these souls are in hell forever or tormented for an eternity. Evidently, they think a soul can not be destroyed by God.

They can not perish if they burn forever like preachers teach.

If you have never heard a preacher preach on Hell Fire and Damnation and an eternity where the sinner is thrown in hell and tormented by fire forever, you haven't been to church.

What preacher doesn't preach on Hell Fire and Damnation for an eternity? Or souls living forever in Hell?

You posted: I personally have never heard a preacher say the thing you mentioned above.

Actually, I have always heard the exact opposite of it.

Where have you heard a preacher say those things?

Does any of that ring a bell?????????????? What is the opposite of that, that you have always heard?

You posted: I think alot of people are calling the below torment or torture. I look at it as such.

41The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

42And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Perhaps you are thinking the fire will burn them up in a few minutes and the torture would be over.

Matthew 13:36-43

explains what will take place on earth when Christ returns by comparing it to the tares and the wheat in the farmer's fields.

In verse 41 Christ sends his angels to gather up and throw the evil doers into a furnace.

Of course there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth. No one will argue with that. However, BA, it doesn't say how long they burn, but it isn't long because Christ has other things He is going to do at the same time.

And as I have said several times, in the next verse, the righteous shall shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their father.

43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

These righteous shine in the kingdom of their father or the kingdom right here on earth as stated in verse 38... children of the kingdom and verse 41...shall gather out of his kingdom... When Christ returns, his kingdom is then on this earth.

So, the righteous don't go up into heaven just yet, nor were they in the earlier rapture, but left here on earth... that's right, the righteous are left here on the earth (at this time God's kingdom is here on earth) just as Matthew tells us.

Now please tell me where it says they are tormented or tortured forever.

Rev 14:9-11

9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,

10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

It says "and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name".

This only applies to the people who worship the beast and his image and receives the mark of the beast. It doesn't say it is eternal or just while they are on earth because it id fire and brimstone not hell nor the lake of fire.

Eventually Hell is thrown into the lake of fire and that is the end of it and everyone who may be in it. The second beast and the false prophet are thrown alive into the lake of fire. AT judgment, everyone whose name is not written in the book of life is thrown into the lake of fire.

Nothing comes out of the lake of fire and it isn't spoken of any more.

You posted: I think the real torture that will burn is the fact of eternal seperation from the presence of God. That would be hell to me.

Yes, now I can agree with you on that. But even then, it ends with the Lake of Fire!

So, unique,what do you do with Lazarus in Luke 16?

You also posted:

"Eventually Hell is thrown into the lake of fire and that is the end of it and everyone who may be in it. The second beast and the false prophet are thrown alive into the lake of fire. AT judgment, everyone whose name is not written in the book of life is thrown into the lake of fire.

Nothing comes out of the lake of fire and it isn't spoken of any more."

How does that prove that it is not eternal?

Can you honestly say that if your life was to be put under the same magnifying glass, that there would be no sin exposed? You have never uttered one bad word about someone? You have never told a lie? You have never lusted after anyone? You have always, everyday, every minute loved God with all your heart, with all your soul,with all your mind, and with all your strength? You have always loved your neighbor as you have loved yourself, even Michael Bell? Are you like the rich young ruler who would tell Jesus, I have kept all the commandments since I was a youth?

Posted by Midnight Rider on Thu, Nov 19, 2009, at 1:13 AM

Midnight Rider,

Refreshing to see someone post reality.

Reality is the fact that.. "we all fall short".

The Law is a great schoolmaster and you are wise in your use of it to make your point above. Especially when you asked... "You have always, everyday, every minute loved God with all your heart, with all your soul,with all your mind, and with all your strength?" That statement alone should stop all of us in our tracks and allow us to see just how far we all fall short in God's eyes.

Sadly though, there are numerous people who would stand there and say they have kept all the commandments since they were a youth.

Actually I remember reading about some in the bible who were be so foolish as to point out to Jesus all their wonderful works they have done in his name trying to justify themselves.

We have all drastically fallen so short.

We need attonement for this.

Not more wonderful works in his name but attonement.

That attonement can only be had by the shed Blood.

Only by Grace through Faith we can have the Righteousness of Christ imputed onto and covering our unrighteousness.

___YESTERDAY_______________________________

I am not saying nor have I ever said there is any other way to God than through the son, Jesus Christ.

Posted by Unique-Lies on Wed, Nov 18, 2009, at 11:44 PM

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When I asked jesus to come into my life and take over, My life changed instantly. I knew Jesus had come into my life, body and soul.

I had to test this feeling. I felt like I couldn't sin. It was impossible to sin. So, what did I do?

I deliberately sinned to see if I could. I could.

Years later I read hebrews and realized that my Salvation lasted maybe 10 minutes.

That is why I teach as I do. To maybe prevent others from doing the same thing and going down the wrong path with me.

The only hope for me is being Martyred or living long enough to see the beast and his image and be able to just say no!

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Wed, Aug 6, 2008, at 2:14 PM

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What is your only Hope unique?

Can you now see why I try to stifle if not exterminate your false teachings of a 10 minute salvation and an executioner as an only hope.

"Now, is her breast augmentation a sin? That truly is a questionable issue, because no where in the bible is that directly addressed."

Neither is Pornos, or Nude photos, or bestiality, or drunk driving, or shooting people with a gun or homosexuality.

BA,

You Posted:

Only God can judge the heart to see if repentance of sin has occurred. We can only judge and discern if something is sin. We can not and should not attempt to judge the heart of another as to how it truly views the sin we may be perceiving and discerning.

Then you posted to me: Unique-Lies,

Never had you in my thoughts when I posted that above.

It would help if you would read the salutation I post in an effort to keep someone as yourself from taking something personal.

Sorry, everything is not about you and your WORKS.

-> But it is:

I am no idiot by any means and understood you sent that to

Evil Monkey, but you were just voicing your "true Fruits". Or so I thought!

I could have gone further and quoted your other line in the same post: Repentance is not being sorry for the sins we have committed and apologizing.

You sure do have some soar fruit.

You can not post such a meaningful expression about not and should not attempt to judge the heart of another, then say that your words only apply to one person. You must mean then that you can and should judge everyone else, not only me but homosexuals and abortionists etc like you have judged every since you came on here.

You don't know what you are letting yourself into! Preach from your own heart and mind not from someone who has left the building...

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Thu, Nov 19, 2009, at 1:25

Unique,

My heart and mind agrees with their's and the Gospel they spoke of will never leave the building. I'm sorry, but I just can not let you falsely teach about a 10 minute salvation and an executioner as saviour without rebutting it until you either come to understand the Gospel or stop spreading your lies, preferably both.

You might as well grow to like me as I like you.

Blessed Assurance,

You posted:

???????????????

That was the best and most accurate answer for YOU to give for all your disciples to read how you answer with your blasphemy!

Only one comment was answered by you

BA,

You posted:

My heart and mind agrees with their's and the Gospel they spoke of will never leave the building. I'm sorry, but I just can not let you falsely teach about a 10 minute salvation and an executioner as saviour without rebutting it until you either come to understand the Gospel or stop spreading your lies, preferably both.

If I can not lose my Salvation, then you are blaspheming the holy spirit by telling everyone that I am of the devil and saying I can not lose my salvation. Not only that, but you are confusing your disciples by speaking with a forked tongue.

I say I can not be forgiven of some sins that I have committed and you say I can never lose what I once had by the grace of God, then say I am evil and spreading lies and bewitching the people with false doctrines given to me by the Holy Spirit.

I quote scriptures to prove what I say but you can only answer with stupid answers like ??????????????? or don't answer at all.

Is everyone listening to Blessed Assurance?

Question:

God has known us in our mothers' wombs and even before the creation of the earth.

Yet,those who have willfully and knowingly rejected Him will hear "I never knew ye."

Not "I used to know you before you were lost.

Not "I knew you in an alternate timeline."

Never.

This would be a retroactive annihilation so thorough it would affect God Himself.

The Creator would have to UNmake and Uncreate.

That seems a good deal more involved than eternal angst,a lake of fire,the tortures of the damned or a prison locked from the inside.

This may sound like "Can God make a rock so heavy He can't lift it?" but shall He unravel Time itself so completely that an unsaved person NEVER EXISTED to be lost or forgotten?

The typical view of Hell may seem cruel or trite but oblivion,non-existence,most versions of re-incarnation and being "retconned" out of reality seem like the sort of evasion of life and responsibility that comes too easy to all of us.

A salvation that gets us *more* rather than less involved in life and is eternal even from today might be scarier to some people than roasting on the end of some infernal pitchfork.

Would that we would be fated to cast off corruption as one might a shed skin or eggshell and emerge larger,stronger and more beautiful as we matured out of one life and into the next.

Unique-Lies,

In reference to your most immediate above post you asked me about these (3) three different passages:

Hebrews 6:4-6

2 Peter 2:20-22

Matthew 12:43-45

With each one I will tell you what I know it is not referring to and then what I believe it is referring to.

Hebrews 6:4-6 - It is not referring to the loss of salvation. I believe it is referring to someone as an example of who has come right up to the edge of salvation, right up to the very threshold, most likely right at repentance of their works based justification mindset they were raised with, seen everything they could have including the working of the Holy Spirit, and fell back from the entrance door of Grace back into a works based self righteous religion.

As in most scriptures it helps to look at the entire chapter when trying to understand a couple of verses in each of them as you posted. Most times as in this case the very first verse of a chapter says a lot. Most times it will answer at least one of the who, what, when, where's that the questionable verses are about.

When I look at the first verse of Hebrews 6......... "1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,".......I can see "what" is being discussed as repented of. It is dead works. The subjects of the verses you quoted have been led to a state of repentance and right up to the threshold of faith toward God but they fall away from entering into perfection back into dead works.

It is impossible once they have been enlightened in such a way that they have literally tasted the original recipe sitting right on the tongue but rejected it and choose not to swallow it to bring them back to the table again. There is nothing left to show them once they have seen it all and rejected it. To let them taste the same thing again and reject the same thing again would be shame again.

2 Peter 2:20-22 - Likewise this is not about the loss of salvation. Even though it has been insinuated that the washed sow was a saved sow that became lost once she lay in the mud again that is not correct.

Again it helps to go get some who, what, when or where's answered by looking at the first verse of the chapter. When I look at the first verse of 2 Peter 2......."1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction."...... I can see the who and a couple of the whats'. The who is not Christians but false prophets. One of the whats' is damnable heresies.

Even the verses you quoted have a lot of the answers in this case. Notice in verse 20 it mentions having a "knowledge" of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. Then notice in verse 21 it says to have "known" the way of righteousness, and then to turn after having "known". Never does it say "accepted", it only mentions knowledge of. Knowledge of Jesus Christ will not save you. Acceptance of Jesus Christ as Saviour will deliver you.

The dog and the sow were a dog and sow before knowledge and remained a dog and sow after knowledge.

Matthew 12:43-45 - Again this is not a representation of lost man becoming saved and becoming lost again. Unfortunately with this instance the very first verse of the Chapter does not aswer a lot of who, what, when and where's for the verses you quoted. However, just a few verses before your quoted two verses I see a new topic being brought up....."38 Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee." Jesus gives them a couple of examples that show something greater comes after what has been before. Then he discusses your two verses and talks about an unclean spirit leaving but a seven times greater evil coming afterwards. I think you could understand this better is you stopped and realized the house never had a clean spirit in it. He found it just like he left it, empty. He did not come back to find it occupied by a clean spirit which would have had to been the case if your couple of verses represented the lost becoming saved and then back to lost again.

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More importantly than anything I must say that your couple of selected verses out of each chapter of three different books can not be viewed as the loss of salvation when put in the light of the entire rest of the Bible. Those few verses have to be in harmony with the Gospel.

I say I can not be forgiven of some sins that I have committed and you say I can never lose what I once had by the grace of God, then say I am evil and spreading lies and bewitching the people with false doctrines given to me by the Holy Spirit.

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Thu, Nov 19, 2009, at 2:31 PM

Unique-Lies,

Even the great apostle Peter failed at times and let Satan use him even in the presence of Christ. I do not mean to convey you are evil yourself, but rather I believe you have allowed, perhaps even unaware, Satan to deceive you, rob you of your assurance, and even use you to aid and abett him in future robberies of assurance.

The Holy Spirit is not giving you false doctrines.

The one that can appear as an angel of light is.

Christ does not want His precious work to viewed as a 10 minute thrill ride.

Satan would love for you to present it that way.

BA,

I will use the New Living Translation to help you understand what Paul is saying;

Hebrews 6:1-6 (New Living Translation)

1 So let us stop going over the basic teachings about Christ again and again. Let us go on instead and become mature in our understanding. Surely we don't need to start again with the fundamental importance of repenting from evil deeds and placing our faith in God.

2 You don't need further instruction about baptisms, the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment. 3 And so, God willing, we will move forward to further understanding.

4 For it is impossible to bring back to repentance those who were once enlightened--those who have experienced the good things of heaven and shared in the Holy Spirit,

5 who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the power of the age to come--

6 and who then turn away from God. It is impossible to bring such people back to repentance; by rejecting the Son of God, they themselves are nailing him to the cross once again and holding him up to public shame.

It just doesn't get much plainer than that.

(Now this is just plain blasphemy to add to the scriptures like this)

It is impossible once they have been enlightened in such a way that they have literally tasted the original recipe sitting right on the tongue but rejected it and choose not to swallow it to bring them back to the table again. There is nothing left to show them once they have seen it all and rejected it. To let them taste the same thing again and reject the same thing again would be shame again.

[There is nothing in the bible saying anything about standing or sitting at the table and tasting with their tongues the original recipe but not swallowing it.]

2 Peter2:19-22 (again the New Living Translation)

19 They (meaning the false prophets) promise freedom, but they themselves are slaves of sin and corruption. For you are a slave to whatever controls you.

20 And when people escape from the wickedness of the world (Not or no longer false prophets) by knowing (knowing means to accept Jesus Christ, "remember Jesus saying I don't KNOW You") our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and then get tangled up and enslaved by sin again ("you are a slave to whatever controls you"), they are worse off than before.

21 It would be better if they had never known the way to righteousness than to know it and then reject the command they were given to live a holy life.

22 They prove the truth of this proverb: "A dog returns to its vomit." And another says, "A washed pig returns to the mud."

And Matthew 12:38-45 (New Living Translation)

38 One day some teachers of religious law and Pharisees came to Jesus and said, "Teacher, we want you to show us a miraculous sign to prove your authority."

39 But Jesus replied, "Only an evil, adulterous generation would demand a miraculous sign; but the only sign I will give them is the sign of the prophet Jonah.

40 For as Jonah was in the belly of the great fish for three days and three nights, so will the Son of Man be in the heart of the earth for three days and three nights.

41 "The people of Nineveh will stand up against this generation on judgment day and condemn it, for they repented of their sins at the preaching of Jonah. Now someone greater than Jonah is here--but you refuse to repent.

42 The queen of Sheba[a] will also stand up against this generation on judgment day and condemn it, for she came from a distant land to hear the wisdom of Solomon. Now someone greater than Solomon is here--but you refuse to listen.

43 "When an evil spirit leaves a person, it goes into the desert, seeking rest but finding none.

44 Then it says, 'I will return to the person I came from.' So it returns and finds its former home empty, swept, and in order.

45 Then the spirit finds seven other spirits more evil than itself, and they all enter the person and live there. And so that person is worse off than before. That will be the experience of this evil generation."

Verses 39 to 45 is Jesus speaking.

When an evil spirit leaves a person it is because they resisted the devil or it was cast out by accepting Christ. They don't just leave a person for no reason. When we accept Christ, God lives within us so no demons are going to return as long as God is within us. If we turn from God, God will leave us in a heart beat leaving our shell empty, swept clean and in order. When the demon returns, he will see it is a clean empty place to bring 7 more demons more evil than it is.

AND THEY ENTER THE PERSON AND LIVE THERE!

"Now, is her breast augmentation a sin? That truly is a questionable issue, because no where in the bible is that directly addressed."

Neither is Pornos, or Nude photos, or bestiality, or drunk driving, or shooting people with a gun or homosexuality.

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Thu, Nov 19, 2009, at 11:47 AM

I knew that I should have elaborated further on the issue of being directly addressed.

It could be possibly be a sin, because she has altered her body, but it really is between her and God. I know that when I stand before God, He will probably burn up some of what I thought were "good works" but under the scrutiny of God, were really just things I did to please myself, or get praises of men.

As for all of the other things you have pointed out, there are direct references either to the behavior, or are guided by biblical principles. Just being drunk is a sin, shooting someone is murder (if you kill them), or it could be taking vengeance. Porn's only purpose is to illicit lust, homosexuality is also in the bible, but you refuse to believe it.

You have accused Carrie of picking and choosing what she wants to believe, yet you do the very same thing concerning God's word. (just like you have done with my questions, you have only answered part of it, even though I always try to address all of your questions). Even worse, you expect her to live by this standard, yet you refuse to live by the same standards. This causes me to worry for you. I worry because you have have taken something that God has said is true, and are openly defiantly denying it. I will pray that you will no longer be blinded to God's light. 2nd Corinthians 4:4-7

"4 in whose case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving so that they might not see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. 5 For we do not preach ourselves but Christ Jesus as Lord, and ourselves as your bond-servants for Jesus' sake. 6 For God, who said, "Light shall shine out of darkness," is the One who has shone in our hearts to give the Light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Christ".

As long as you defend and support a lifestyle, (or any sin for that matter) that God has clearly stated as sin, you are blinded. I pray your eyes will be opened before it is too late.

Don't worry for me, I know exactly where I am going. Posting verses of the Bible relating to God's light does not make me believe that Homosexuality is wrong and Breast Augmentation is A-OK.

Saying I am unbeliever because I have a heart that accepts everyone is not fair and it is judgmental. Sorry I don't agree with that as well. Placing people within classes of sin is wrong as well.

I don't refuse to believe that homosexuality is in the Bible, It is in the Bible, but not in a negative light.

Ruth and Naomi

David and Jonathan

Daniel and Ashpenaz

Of course the word, Homosexual isn't in the Bible, just like pornos, video cameras and breast augmentations.

I accused Carrie of stating something that was false and using God's Word as a crutch when she knowingly did something that wasn't good.

Are these the questions you are referring to?

You have never uttered one bad word about someone? Only if it was honest and benefited them

You have never told a lie? Not on purpose.

You have never lusted after anyone?

Nope, when with my wife for 16 years.

You have always, everyday, every minute loved God with all your heart, with all your soul,with all your mind, and with all your strength?

It's impossible.

You have always loved your neighbor as you have loved yourself, even Michael Bell?

Absolutely, I even offered to help him move. I empathized on his plight. And I call him on occasion to see how he is doing. Called him a few days ago in fact but it goes to Verizon voice message stating he is out of service area.

Talk to Marvin Parker as well, we have a good relationship as well.

Are you like the rich young ruler who would tell Jesus, I have kept all the commandments since I was a youth?

Not rich, but Jesus died to remove the binds that bound us by the old laws.

I think the main question is, why is everyone so fascinated by what is right and wrong of what other people are doing and just worry about themselves? Is it not impossible to police 6 Billion people? I think always finding the bad in a class of people is not as Jesus would do. I honestly have never found him to be that way.

Midnight Rider,

Wow! Now that is what I was hoping for... someone who could stand up and talk TO me about what I believe.

You are right when you said "I think that you have a lot of biblical knowledge, but you have spent too much time isolated unto yourself in that you only have your own perspective, a perspective in which you never seem to question the correctness of".

If the Holy Spirit gave me this information, then I would be a fool not to use it.

Noah was the only preacher who thought and taught the way he did. What would have happened if Noah listened to other preachers and lived according to their beliefs?

Until You or someone else can prove to me that the Holy Spirit isn't giving me this information, I must continue.

I have thrown some of the most outrageous teachings that I have been blessed to understand... out there for any and everyone to make a liar out of me.

Some of my teachings would be a blessing if I was wrong, but that never seems to be the solution. I have mixed feelings about Salvation, but as long as there are scriptures saying we can lose it, I must agree with the bible.

It is a pleasure to my heart when someone who knows the scriptures and doesn't have to change the words, stands up and tells me I am wrong or prove it. I was beginning to think everyone on here was just bored with me and BA.

I prove what I say with scriptures that BA changes to read something else in order to accuse me of teaching lies. That doesn't bother me because I not only know what he is doing, but everyone should be able to see what he/she is doing.

Back to eternal Hell...

I am going to say what you thought I would say. The ONLY ones to be Tormented and Tortured in the Lake of Fire FOREVER... IS the false prophet, beast and Satan. Those 3 are the only ones the bible says are tormented forever IN the Lake of Fire.

Death and Hell are thrown into the Lake of Fire at the Second Death. If Hell is a place where souls are tormented and tortured forever, why would it be thrown into the Lake of Fire? The Lake of Fire represents the end of Evil.

When Christ returns, He throws the beast and the false prophet into the Lake of Fire, but not Satan. He chains Satan up in the bottomless pit for 1,000 year as Christ reigns with His Saints who were beheaded for his name sake in the First Resurrection and those saints who were left to shine after the harvest of the world.

We hear no more from the beast or the false prophet because they went to the Lake of Fire. After Satan is released and goes out deceiving the nations (of Resurrected people) for a short time, the Lord sends fire down from Heaven to destroy them and Satan is thrown into the Lake of Fire where the false prophet and the beast are.

The bible says that these three will be torment forever, but nowhere does it say the souls of sinners do. In fact it says the soul of a sinner will Die.

Ezekiel 18:4

Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

This verse doesn't say the body, it says the soul and it DIES, it doesn't "live" forever in Hell nor in the Lake of Fire in Torment.

Matthew 10:28

And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

In this verse Matthews uses the word (or it is translated) to destroy. This would mean the same as kill the soul. Either way it doesn't live any more.

The main reason I feel that my interpretation is correct is because the bible tells us over and over again, that when we die we know nothing and do nothing. We "Sleep". That is our soul is put into a spiritual sleep until we are awaken at the Resurrection.

Now, if our soul "sleeps and we know nothing and can not do anything" then how can we be tormented in Hell? There is No Way... impossible!

God is a God of perfection. why would he want imperfect souls screaming in his ears from the Lake of Fire reminding him of their disobedience?

You posted:

You call out every preacher as teaching unique lies, and the implication of your posts is that God has only given you the correct interpretation of His word.

I like everyone else am a sinner. I may be putting out the most demonic information in the history of this world. I can only hope that it is what I have been instructed to give from the foundation of the earth or the beginning of time.

Since it is almost word for word to what the bible says, I have to believe it came from God. God speaks to us through His word, the bible. I do not hear voices, but I hear Him speak through His words.

Here is a thought for you... I believe that Judas was meant to betray Jesus. I believe it was his soul purpose here on earth to betray Jesus. I believe God put it in his heart to betray Jesus so the master plan of Christ being crucified would come into being.

I also believe that Judas will go to heaven just as any other saint will, not because of his betrayal, but because I believe he accepted Jesus when Jesus went to Hell.

-> I know, you claim it is from all of the study you have done, but it is been study without critique.

You are correct again. I have studied for several years and started to write a book, but as everyone can see, I am no writer. I thought about a website, but then I found this blog.

So.... I use this blog to the maximum to test what I think I know. So far I have shocked some people into reading some verses anyway. I have BA who insists that I teach anti-Christ material by posting whatever comes to her mind and has nothing to do with the verses. She makes up her on verses to explain what she doesn't want to believe.

I want people to prove me wrong, but they haven't been successful in doing that yet. Hopefully I am wrong about some things and hopefully I am right about most.

I don't get a lot of critiques here because I may scare them into posting to me. I love new people challenging me. Who knows, they just may be the one to change how I view some scriptures. But until then I must go with God's word as I hear it from God.

-> You should be in a church somewhere, testing your knowledge,and maybe even helping to teach. God never gave His word to anyone to keep for themselves.

Again I agree with you, however, since the churches don't teach what I teach, I would be barred from going if I questioned the church with all the Unique-Lies I believe they teach. I understand that Lies is a harsh word and they are only teaching what they have been taught by man in schools and colleges.

In our Free Country, no one will listen to you if you don't have a Doctor's Degree in the subject you want to teach about.

I look at it like Paul did.

Galatians 1:12

12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

-> And, he is willing to admit his mistakes-even when it comes to interpreting scripture.

I will admit to making a mistake when one is pointed out. But if I do more research and find out I was right, I am coming back to let you know. That is what the truth is... bring the truth out.

-> don't think I am saying this with a waving finger pointed at your nose, but more as a loving brother...

I have the utmost respect for You AND your comments and concern and mainly your desire to voice what you need to tell me or ask.

I do not go to a church because I would just be an outcast and not accomplish anything.

I believe that most people think that when I post, I am speaking out against the bible, the word of God or that I do not believe Jesus Christ is the son of the Living God and was born in the flesh and blood and was also resurrected in the flesh and blood.

I am a strong believer in God and his word and his only begotten son. When I read from my King James Bible, if I don't fully understand what I am reading, I will go to the New International Version. If that doesn't help me, as a last resort I will go to the New Living Bible Translation. Between the three, or more if I need to, I usually have it figured out right. If not I don't teach on it.

It is just like this example:

I know now that when we die we sleep and know nothing and do nothing, so that helps me to understand a lot of other questions that may come up.

For instants:

I enjoy watching Ghost whisper, the Medium and Lisa Williams that Angel show and other shows depicting people coming back to life as someone else on TV. I will even shed a tear or two as I watch it unfold into a loving situation for the families.

However, I know the truth about mediums and after life and know that these things can not happen.

If we know nothing and do nothing, then we can not come back either as ourselves nor anyone else. The devil and his demons on the other hand can project themselves as anyone or anything making the loved ones think these people came back to watch over them or to guide them in life, not letting anything happen to them.

This is a Unique-Lie. These are demons making innocent people think this is from God and the afterlife. In reality, Satan is making these hurting people call on his demons as guardian angels and not turning to God as He demands that we do.

You see, if we are sleeping until we are Resurrected, how could we possibly come to our loved ones and comfort them. Impossible! They make it seem so real that it is very hard not to believe it, but God said to turn to him when we need something.

By believing these demons are our Loved ones, he has full control over these people and can cause them to curse God for their loved ones' death.

Thank you Midnight Rider for being interested enough to get involved and voice your opinion. I will go all out to explain what I feel the Holy Spirit has revealed to me.

I have just begun to talk about what I know. I am hoping to see more preachers on TV come around without me speaking to them. I would love to have them find it in their own relationship with God, lest they say I influenced them to believe the way they do.

I only speak out to let everyone who is interested see that there are other answers than just what has been taught for centuries by preachers who have learned it from man.

Midnight Rider,

You asked me in an earlier post: So, unique,what do you do with Lazarus in Luke 16?

Here is my first thoughts on Luke 16:

I pictured Abraham as being in Hades in the center of the world and the rich man being in Hell.

The reason for my thinking, is because I was always told that Hell was used in the old testament but Hades was used in the new testament.

So I reasoned out that just maybe Hell still existed but Hades was created for the people who are followers of Christ since it never existed in the old testament.

Made perfect sence to me that since Christ was crucified, we needed a new place for all the Christians to go.

I began to think that Maybe this Hades was where the good people go to await their Resurrection and Hell was still available for the sinners.

This Hades could then be considered as a Paradise that Jesus spoke of. I milled this around in my brain for a year or two, but realized that the word Hades was not referring to the other side of the gorge where Abraham was. Hell was definitely on one side but the side Abraham was on was NOT named. So I knew that I could not just claim it as Hades like it was a free piece of Land I could name. The word Hades is just used in place of the word Hell in different translations. Hades is a Greek word used for Hell.

I decided to leave it as a Parable that Jesus used to explain how good people had a much better afterlife than the evil person.

So... I do not use it to describe where we go when we die. It has already been determined that we go to our graves to wait for his second coming.

That is how it works for me. I keep everything locked up in mind until it proves itself right or wrong.

Here is another tour into my brain. It is easier for a camel to go thru the eye of a needle than for a rich man to go to heaven. I pondered on that one for years. No one every explained that parable to me. At least not until Paul Harvey told me the rest of the story!

Thing is I never dropped the verse and one day it was answered for me increasing my knowledge of God's word. That was back in the early 70's.

I just keep things in my mind as how I think they are until someone or something proves it right or changes it.

Okay, Tour is over, everyone out!

BA,

You posted:Let me get back on point and say... There is a difference between sinning and rejecting Christ.

Yes there is! Sinning is just sinning and can be forgiven However when you deliberately sin you are rejecting God who is living inside of you and He leaves your temple because it is no longer a righteous temple and you trample the blood of Christ. When you willfully sin you are refusing to accept his blood and doing what you want to do in spite of God and His command.

In two accounts Jesus told them "Peace be with you."

You have to remember that these disciples were human and just lost there Savior and feared for their lives also. Then all of a sudden Jesus appears to them in a locked room which was never opened for him. They were just that much more scared.

Jesus had to calm them down just to talk to them. All Jesus had to say was "Peace be with you" and it would have to be done because all Jesus has to do is speak and it is done.

Did he say "Peace be with you forever"? No. He just said "Peace be with you." Was it a salutation, a command to shut up or a demand that they always be at peace?

Basically He was just comforting their scared little bodies and telling them not to be afraid of him.

You see, the same thing will happen when He returns. Everyone will fear the Lord when they see him or so the Bible says they will. They will run into caves to hide them from the Lord. Only this time Jesus is not going to say "Peace be with you."

007,

You posted:

Yea, no doubt, you've done acid and mushrooms, whether you knew it or not at the time.

And you got hold of the good stuff, the real good stuff.

I have never done any acid nor mushrooms, but I did get hold of the GOOD STUFF. The Word of God.

I use to be one of those Jesus freaks that walked around with a smile on my face ALL THE TIME!

I have gotten high off pot, beer, mixed drinks and even sex, but they were nothing compared to the high I got from accepting Christ.

When I was saved I got my highest high from reading God's word and discussing it with others and knowing I was saved.

Midnight Rider,

You posted:

I am sorry, but it is exactly a statement such as this that casts great doubt over your credibility as a teacher. Especially, in light of the words of Jesus.

Then there was this one:

John 6:70 Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?

John 21:22

22Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? follow thou me.

Matthews 27:3-5

3 When Judas, who had betrayed him, realized that Jesus had been condemned to die, he was filled with remorse. So he took the thirty pieces of silver back to the leading priests and the elders.

4 "I have sinned," he declared, "for I have betrayed an innocent man."

"What do we care?" they retorted. "That's your problem."

5 Then Judas threw the silver coins down in the Temple and went out and hanged himself.

Acts 1:17-18

17 For he was numbered with us, and had obtained part of this ministry.

18 Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out.

Judas was filled with remorse and repented and we all know what happens when we are filled with remorse and repent and accept Jesus Christ.

So after Judas went to hell and Jesus came down there the same day and spent three days in hell I would think that Judas begged for mercy from Jesus and accepted him.

Here is Something to think about:

Judas was a disciple for Jesus and got to know Jesus better than you and I. If he turned from Christ and sinned, (which he did) and can no longer be saved by the blood of Christ, Why does everyone call me a liar when I say you lose your salvation when you """""""Intentionally Sin""""""?

Actually, Judas and all the tyrants in the old testaments who murdered and raped and whatever, could have accepted Jesus in those three days Jesus was in Hell and be forgiven of all their sins.

I see no reason why Judas could not have been forgiven...unless what I have been teaching is the truth.

Jesus called Judas a devil and scriptures say that Judas went to his own place when he died, but Jesus had not shed his blood until Judas had already betrayed Jesus.

I know that Jesus's blood was able to give Judas Salvation if he wanted it. Did he want to be saved??? But it was there if he did.

You posted: Ok, your response that the lake of fire will only include the devil, the beast and the false prophet is incorrect. There will be others:

I did not say the devil, false prophet and the beast were the only ones to be thrown into the Lake of Fire. I said these three are the only ones that the bible says are tormented forever in the Lake of Fire.

Only the smoke of the torment of the sinners who were burnt by the fire and burning sulfur, in the presence of the holy angels and the Lamb, rise for ever and ever.

This Harvest (Matthews 13:38-43) will be going on for a few days I'm sure, so these sinners will find no relief from the fire and burning sulfur day or night.

In Revelation 14:9-11 it is retelling the parable of the end time harvest read in Matthews 13:38-43.

Those who are not God's children are thrown into a firey furnace, also referred to as fire and brimstone from heaven. This is not the Lake of Fire nor Hell. It would have been simpler to just say thrown in Hell if that is where they went.

The soul of a sinner Dies. It Perishes. It is Destroyed, so it can not live on in relief or peace, day or night.

Also in Revelation 20:15 it say everyone whose name is not written in the Book of Life will be thrown into the Lake of Fire.

So you see I never said only the 3 would be cast in the lake of fire, but they would be the only 3 to be tormented in the Lake of Fire forever.

It is in chapter 20 of Revelations that we are told that Satan is released after the 1,000 years to go out and deceive the nations. The only nationals at this time would be the nations of the people who were just Resurrected.

Satan gathers them all together to battle. the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

As they surround the camp of the saints and the beloved city, fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them.

Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

This is the only verse in the bible that I know of that tells us who is tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Then verse 15 says "And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire." Nothing is said about torment or torture, only that they are cast into the Lake of Fire.

Revelation 20:14-15

14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

In verses 14 and 15 nothing is said about an eternity of torment and suffering. since it has not been added to the verses applying to the Lake of Fire, I can not add torment and torture and suffering for ever and ever.

The closest the bible comes to saying it is in Revelation 14:10-11 which is worth repeating;

Revelation 14:10-11

10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

Nothing in this chapter at all about the Lake of Fire or Hell. These devil worshipers find no relief from the torment of the Fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb.

-> Certainly, you would not claim any of their names will be found in the book of life, would you?

No! Those who worship the beast and his image and receive his mark do NOT have their names written in the Book of Life.

You posted: Again, God in His infinite power can do what He pleases, so, if chooses to have separate chambers in His lake of fire for only these people, then so be it. However, if these people are to be tormented day and night, for ever and ever, I have to believe that is also the fate for those who reject Christ.

These people are not to be tormented day and night for ever and ever. They are only tormented day and night in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb by the burning fire and brimstone, sulfur in some translations. Althou it says nothing about Hell or the lake of Fire in chapter 20, these people do go into the Lake of Fire as stated in chapter 21.

You posted: Even if they are not cast into the lake of fire, you have to agree that their torment is eternal.

I agree that they will be cast into the Lake of Fire because they don't have their names written in the Book of Life.

However, their torment is not having their names written in the Book of Life. I don't say eternal because John 3:16 says who so ever believeth shall not perish but have ever lasting life. The opposite of that would be "Perish" to not have ever lasting life in eternity.

You Posted: Otherwise, why would Christ have to give his life as a sacrifice?

1. Christ gave his life so we could be forgiven of our sins;

2. Christ died so we can not say God owns our Bodies and our Souls;

3. Christ died so we have the power over Satan to refuse him and resist him and his angels;

4. Christ died so we can be like him and do the miracles he did and even more;

5. Christ died so the whole world could be forgiven and not just the Jews;

6. Christ died so we would no longer be under the law but under God's command;

7. Christ died so anyone who believed in Him could have ever lasting life;

8. Christ died so His father would be Glorified in His Son Jesus Christ;

9. Christ died because he had to fulfill several prophesies;

10. Christ died because He LOVED ME before I was born.)

What you teach just gives encouragement to those who say "I will just go to hell and party with all my friends." Now, from what you teach, they can add, "and when I am all partied out, I can go to sleep".

-> That almost sounds like everyone saying, I will ask God to forgive me then go out and do it all over again and when I are ready, I will ask God again to for give me so I can start all over again with any sin I want to except blasphemy the holy ghost which I can not be forgiven for.

I am teaching that those who sin will never be allowed to go to heaven and will no doubt be miserable here on earth as well. When they die, they go to hell or their grave and sleep until they are Resurrected.

How does that sound like partying with their friends? I teach that the Bible says we all "Sleep" until we are Resurrected. That being the case we don't even need a hell unless God wants it to keep the souls separate from each other.

There is no parties or even talking or moving around when you die. You sleep in the ground of the earth. You know nothing and you do nothing, no matter if you are a saint or a sinner.

-> Keep in mind here that I never wrote nor translated the bible. I only read it and tell other where the verses are that I found so they can read them for themselves.

Do a search of "sleep" and "slept" and read all the verses online out of any bible you want to:

http://www.biblegateway.com

Read the story of Lazarus in John 11:1-44

Lazarus died in Bethany and his sisters Martha and Mary (the Mary who washed Jesus's feet with her hair) told Jesus that Lazarus was sick and wanted Jesus to come so he would not die.

Jesus purposely waited two days to leave and took two days to get there, so Lazarus had been dead for 4 days when Jesus raised him from the dead.

After during the 2 day, Jesus told his disciple that Lazarus had fallen asleep and he had to go and wake him. The disciples wondered why, because certainly he could wake up by himself. Jesus had to tell his disciples that Lazarus was actually dead and he had to go and wake him.

So Jesus himself has told us that when we die, we sleep until we are resurrected. Can't say that is a lie.

So we do "Sleep" when we die, not by our choice but by God's plan.

You posted: I really don't want to think that you are deliberately trying to teach false doctrine. I think you are very misguided in this and other teachings.

I teach what I read in the Bible and lead others to the same verses to read for themselves. If the bible teaches that we sleep when we die, then that is what I teach, not what churches teach which is: when you die, you go to heaven to be home with the father or in a better place now, or God has taken him home. Jesus said the heaven is mine and the earth belongs to man. We never came from heaven. We were not created in heaven but born on earth and return to the earth when we die. To make it more pleasant for us, God has allowed for us to sleep when we die so we won't be thinking thoughts about who came to our funeral or who didn't do this or that or I didn't get to say good by or the last thing I told him/her is...?

Noah taught for 500 years as a preacher and the only people he was able to convert over to God, was his 7 family members. The next 100 years he spent building the Ark and more than likely only had services with his family. After the 100 years, the flood came and all the sinners were gone.

Jesus told us that we didn't choose him, but he chose us and "Ordained us". So we don't need a certificate or diploma or license to teach his word. To have a church, you would need certain licenses as a non profit business or tax free business, etc..

You posted: You do not have absolute knowledge, so you cannot say that all pastors at all churches are teaching lies.

You are correct in stating that. I can only say that the preachers who teach anything against what the bible teaches is lying.

If a preacher tells you that you go to heaven when you die (or hell) then he is telling something that isn't in the bible. When the bible is talking about going to heaven and no more tears, etc., that is after we are judged, not before. That doesn't happen until a thousand years(+) after we die.

If they say they will be in the rapture and reign with Christ for a thousand years, they are not telling the truth. Those in the rapture stay with Chrisy forever. Those in the First Resurrection reign with Christ for a thousand years.

If a preacher teaches that when Christ returns the world will be a paradise, he is preaching lies.

If a preacher preaches that Armageddon is the "last battle between good and bad" he is preaching lies.

All I know for sure is America and the entire World will be under his judgement and his wrath except for those who have accepted the Son!

Churches need to preach more of this than the hot tub sermons they preach now!

If a preacher tells you that you go to heaven when you die (or hell) then he is telling something that isn't in the bible. When the bible is talking about going to heaven and no more tears, etc., that is after we are judged, not before. That doesn't happen until a thousand years(+) after we die.

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Sat, Nov 21, 2009, at 3:00 PM

Unique-Lies,

How do you reconcile that theory with all the souls that were in heaven very early in John's vision during the opening of the seals which were way before the millenium reign or the judgement?

How do you reconcile it with Paul's statements that to absent of the body is to be present with the Lord?

While at it how do you reconcile your soul sleep theory with John's vision of these souls already in heaven talking?

More importantly when Jesus descended to preach to the dead after the resurrection and before the ascension how did they understand if they were sleeping?

I personally do not feel like preachers are telling lies when they preach the opposite of your theories. I rather think you have been deceived into thinking like that.

The only hope for me is being Martyred or living long enough to see the beast and his image and be able to just say no!

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Wed, Aug 6, 2008, at 2:14 PM

Unique-Lies,

What is your only hope?

From reading your statement above I gather it is a toss up between yourself and some executioner you do not even know of yet. I see no mention of Jesus Christ as your only hope. Why?

Because you chose to go into my past posts where I was asking for help to prove I was wrong and instead you have drug my past confessions out before everyone to discredit what I teach.

Posted by Unique-Lies on Mon, Nov 23, 2009, at 10:38 AM

Unique-Lies,

Your past confessions are the same as what you try to teach today. They need to be discredited at every opportunity before you possibly deceive others.

At least I Fear my Lord.

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Mon, Nov 23, 2009, at 10:38 AM

Unique-Lies,

Do you understand what "fear" is referring to in most if not all instances it is used in the Bible when addressing Christians?

It is not the type of English fear that makes you want to find a cave to hide in.

It is not the type of English fear that makes you have nightmares.

You win!

I leave you with all your followers.

Like Paul, I have moved on past Salvation.

No one here can see anything past the salvation and their escape out of the trials and tribulations that God has promised to get you through but not out of.

It is a test of all the people on earth and God wants his people to go through it so He can be Glorified in his children. How can God show the world his Glory if he takes everyone out of the Trials and tribulation.

To all Christians and

To the Church in Philadelphia:

Revelation 3:10

10 Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come upon the whole world to test those who live on the earth.

These trials and tribulation or you may want to call them the "abomination of desolation", begins with the beast long before the second coming of Christ.

Also we read that when God Resurrects all the people who were not here on earth during the Trials and Tribulation will be tested by Satan and his deceit for a short while then the Lord will destroy the evil and wicked who follow Satan and death and hell will give up the dead to be judged.

The lake of fire is the second death. and everyone whose name is not in the book of life is thrown into the lake of fire or their second and final death.

THEN We will receive our heavenly bodies and go to the New City of Jerusalem or inherit the New Earth. No where does it say we go to heaven. Only the New City of Jerusalem, for the old heaven is made new.

And an angel told John "Come, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb."

This is NOT and NEVER WAS the "CHURCH"!

Unique,

What is your only hope today?

BA,

You posted: Paul did not move on past salvation to go to condemnation though as you seem to claim for yourself.

-> Hebrew 6:9

9 Dear friends, even though we are talking this way, we really don't believe it applies to you. We are confident that you are meant for better things, things that come with salvation.

So you see Paul was talking about condemnation and realized he was scaring the Hebrews so he made an excuse for his teaching of lost salvation, saying we don't believe this applies to you.

Paul knew it applies to anyone who turns from God because it is a rejection of Christ and His Blood.

You Posted:

What is your only hope today?

-> That you will be able to understand the words in the bible one day and then the Holy Spirit makes you understand their meaning.

You posted:

I think His Glory will be center stage and beyond comprehension when He takes His adopted children out of the wrath to come.

If God Raptures up His children, who will know it? Who will see it? With every Christian in Concentration Camps we won't know who has been taken or executed or just starved to death. No Glory for God there.

When Christ returns, all Christians will be in concentration camps or killed. If Christ raptures up all the Christians (or people who claim to be Christians) the Beast will be left standing scratching his head wondering where 75% of the world population went. That would make the beast upset because God would be preventing the beast from testing them to see if they are true Christians or not. No! No one will be Raptured up out of this. Look at the book of Job! God not only let Satan test Job, but enticed Satan to do so for His Glory.

You posted:

How could He keep His promise if He allowed His children to be appointed to the wrath to come?

First his promise was... Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come upon the whole world to test those who live on the earth.

This means we must endure with patience right up to that hour. Then God will keep us from the hour of trial that is going to come upon the whole world to test those who live on the earth.

It doesn't say He is going to take us away from the hour but keep us from the hour. In other words, He will keep us safe in the hour of Trials, just as he did with Daniel, Abraham and even Abraham's son on the altar, Jonah and Noah, Moses and Joshuah, king David and all the other children who did His command.

If we are His children truly, then we can walk in the midst of it all and not be harmed. God will keep us from harm just as He promised and He will be Glorified in His Son and his children before all mankind.

If you think you can not survive such an event, then you better look into your heart again and see just where you stand with God.

Even I, condemned or not, know that God will keep his saints alive and safe during this hour of abomination of desolation.

And all of God's Children have to wait patiently with Faith the size of a mustard seed, until that hour cometh, that they will be safe as God promised.

Hebrews 11:1

Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

Does God's children have the faith to endure until the end???

If God Raptures up His children, who will know it? Who will see it? With every Christian in Concentration Camps we won't know who has been taken or executed or just starved to death. No Glory for God there.

Posted by Unique-Lies on Tue, Nov 24, 2009, at 12:19 PM

Unique-Lies,

When God Raptures up His children who will not know it? Who will not see it?

Read your second sentence closely because that is where your answer is at.

Since there is no glory for God in the scenerio of your second sentence maybe it might be worth considering your scenerio is not going to happen.

Unique,

Let me say I take notice of how you slowly slip and transition a word. Most of the times you do it, you will use the phrase..."in other words".

You did it earlier when you posted the following two sentences using your favorite transitional phrase between sentences:

..."It doesn't say He is going to take us away (from) the hour but keep us (from) the hour. In other words , He will keep us safe (in) the hour of Trials,"

When someone carefully reads what you post they can see how you smoothly try to change meanings of words to suit your theories.

Your above example shows how you try to change the meaning of the word "from" into the word "in".

Sly. I have to give it to you. Sly.

Unique-Lies,

I have other things to do today than repeat what we have discussed over and over.

You are free today to promote your 10 minute salvation and your apparrant great hope of execution as your only means of salvation now without me trying to stop your false doctrines and theories at first sight.

Enjoy it today while you can. I will be back at stifling and extinguishing "your" false theories tommorrow if the Good Lord wills.

BA,

Do not fear me, but Jesus Christ our Lord.

I have successfully taught what I came to teach. Everyone will have to read it for themselves in their own bible now or listen to someone else.

In spite of you, I have planted seed. We will see how many you pull up before He returns to harvest.

You have hidden the Truth of God's Word in your words.

I fully understand how the truth has been hidden from the world. The world didn't listen to him so the world will NOT listen to his disciples. A servant can not be greater than his master.

If this is what the bible says and the bible is the truth... what does the world believe and who keeps teaching what the world believes!

I have shared with everyone the knowledge given to me by the Holy Spirit revealing the past present and future events that happened and are about to unfold. I can do nothing by myself, but through Christ all things are possible.

If anyone has any questions have BA answer them for you. My job here is done. I have invaded your blogs with my prophesy and now I have nothing.

The world is Not ending soon so don't worry about any 2012 or any rapture just yet.

When it happens no one will know it. They will only see Jesus coming in the clouds and he is returning with Anger and revenge not LOVE and FORGIVENESS. The world won't be safe from Christ cause there is no place to hide from Him on earth.

In spite of BA, I have planted the seeds given to me. Do with it as you will. I leave everyone with this.

"I know that I know that I know that I know."

It does my heart good to know that the world does NOT believe me because it didn't believe Jesus first. If the world didn't believe Jesus it can't believe me either. I have tormented everyone long enough, according to what I have read in the posts.

The inhabitants of the earth will gloat over them and will celebrate by sending each other gifts, because these two prophets had tormented those who live on the earth.

Oh yeah, May everyone have a Happy Thanksgiving and a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year too!

The world didn't listen to him so the world will NOT listen to his disciples.

Posted by Unique-Lies on Wed, Nov 25, 2009, at 1:19 PM

The "world" is of this "world" and they did not nor will they listen.

But however we are of the Spirit and listen to it and follow it, just like the multitudes too great to number have for centuries.

Today is Thanksgiving and we give thanks to God for His Gift that gives us Peace, Joy and Assurance.

Pray for those of the "world" who only have a fiery expectation of the wrath to come on them.

Happy Thanksgiving to all!