The Calling of the Church!

Hello Michael,

I am sorry to hear about the loss of a family friend. Friends are more precious than gold and sometimes as rare.

Concerning the Church; The first appearance of the word Church in the KJV is posted below and spoken by Jesus himself. I always seek his words first and align the other scriptures with his words not vice-versa.

Mt 16:15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?

Mt 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

Mt 16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

Mt 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my CHURCH; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Mt 16:19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

The rock that was built upon was the revelation from the Father. Peter did indeed start the Church and for a while had an almost utopian system with everyone giving freely into the Church and receiving freely as well.

That system also fell into disarray as some tried to lie and keep their belongings for themselves.

However, Jesus said that the gates of hell would not prevail against his Church. If the gates of hell are prevailing, then it is not his Church. To say otherwise would be to call Christ a liar.

I agree with some of your "social club" anologies. Jesus said you cannot serve both God and mammon (money). Sadly, it is often hard to tell if a particular church is serving the correct master. If they have an immense savings or CD balance then I would tend to see that as poor, or even lazy, stewardship of what should be used to serve God's people. The same goes for extravagant furnishings and so called "mission" trips. Some of these trips are hardly more than an all expenses paid vacation with the vast majority of the funds being consumed by the ones going on the trip.

He said to bless those who curse who and do good to those who spitefully use you and persecute you. I don't see how a large savings account serves anyone but those seeking to have more money. Instead, the Church should seek to have more revelations from the Father and give the money away to those in need i.e. the sick, fatherless, widows, homeless, etc.

"Michael, without going into detail about all the things the church does and doesn't do, would you say that the churches are honest and preach the truth or do they preach little white lies to keep their members happy?"

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Fri, Feb 26, 2010, at 12:07 AM

You wouldn't know what churches "do", you don't go, and haven't been in many years. So your opinion of what churches "do" is just that, an opinion. I might add your opinion is comparable to one who complains about all the things that are wrong about the government, yet never votes in any election.

"Do the rich members get the best seats, hymn books, parking spaces and special privileges at events and socials or is it every man for himself?"

- Posted by Unique-Lies on Fri, Feb 26, 2010, at 12:07 AM

Here is what happens at my church. As soon as one of the rich members pulls his car to the front door, one of the deacons opens his door and then parks the car for him. As the man leaves his car another deacon ushers him to the VIP room to have a latte and scones while another deacon shines and buffs the mans shoes while they wait for Sunday school to begin.

The rich patrons wives are met by the deacon's wives and are escorted to a special VIP spa/powder room. Being a single man I can't tell you much about the services provided, but from the gossip around the church I hear that the bidet's are exquisite!

All of the rich members attend the same Sunday school class that is well appointed with lush carpeting, very comfortable padded chairs, in a finely temperature controlled room. Each week they have a contemporary lesson prepared using the Jefferson Bible and the Wall Street Journal, recharging them for strenuous activities of making business deals in the coming week.

When it is time for church, the deacons usher these patrons to their special pew section that affords them the best view and is the perfect place to hear the choir music. Oh, and the cushions are to die for!

Each rich patron is assigned two of our poor members to assist them in worship. One holds their Leather bound bibles and Gold Leaf Hymnals open to the right pages, while the other shouts out the amen's or oh no/s in the appropriate places during the sermon. This is done so that the rich members won't strain their voice to ensure that the rich patrons voice will be fully functional to conduct business in the foyer afterward while waiting for their car to be brought around, and during the week as well.

While the rich patrons wait for their cars, the church secretaries survey them to make sure they were happy with the pastors sermon that they instructed him to preach, and they also use this time to take notes on what the patrons desire to hear the next week. Hail Mary, full of Grace

Oy vey, I almost forgot, during the service a crew of the poor members and teenagers wash and wax the rich patron's cars. Each rich patron drops fifty cents to dollar into a basket, and car wash crew split it among themselves. However, they usually end up with nothing, because they have to use the money to replenish the car washing supplies. It is ok, they don't mind. The feel honored and privileged to be able to serve our rich patrons.

But wait, there is more! The patron who drops the biggest check in the collection plate gets the privilege of having the pastor, the pastors, wife and a crew of the poorest members come to his mansion to clean it from top to bottom and make the rich patron a gourmet meal, topped off with an exotic desert. While this is taking place, the deacons and their wives are leading another crew of poor patrons in cleaning the VIP rooms and special pew sections in advance of next weeks service. Hallelujah brother! I just love the way our church pulls together to serve.

But don't criticize us too much. The pastor gets his paycheck, and these poor people receive valuable skills. What a church! What a country! Isn't everyone's church like this? Can I get a witness?

That sounds fair to me!

michaelbell,

Heavens Michael, even I know there aren't any churches like that. Close but not quite the same.

You let the Holy Spirit work in you and you will learn a lot more.

You have to be careful now, don't want everyone thinking you are a Jehovah Witness just because you don't believe in the way "SOME" ministers preach.

"I know of ministers, and I use the term very loosely, who under the advice of a guidance councilor or even a probation officer were told to go to a seminary school to become a member of the cloth."

this is saying a lot, michaelbell, but that might be the most ridiculous thing you have yet written.

"A steady income with benefits in some cases."

i believe it was you, michaelbell, who once wrote in your blog that you hoped to become a minister and spend more time with your family. it is you, michaelbell, who has no idea what a calling to the ministry entails. your image of hating others in the name of god, and spewing that hatred for an hour on sunday morning, in a coherent sermon that god will put into your mouth with no effort on your own part, and appearing wise and mysterious while passing judgement on all and spouting great prophesies. those are your childish fantasies and are an insult to those who have done what it takes to dedicate themselves to a true ministry.

"That is why I have chosen to not go to a seminary school for let God reveal himself to me, not how man

reveals him."

let us speak honestly here, michaelbell. your blogs have made it quite apparent why you have not and will not matriculate in a seminary. this very "sentence" is a perfect example of your "work". it is neither a sentence, nor comprehensible. on top of which, you failed to take two seconds to remove a couple of errant carriage returns which have broken the last phrase loose from the rest. the product you have put out here can only be explained one of two ways; either you are too lazy to compose a coherent thought and edit out your errors, or you are a mental defective. the kinder of the choices is to consider you lazy, and i believe that is the most likely cause. for even a mental defective can use spell check.

Midnight Rider,

Now we are making progress. You have gone from "AlL" or "MOST" to "SOME". Tell us, is that how you really feel? :)

-- Posted by Midnight Rider on Fri, Feb 26, 2010, at 5:05 PM

1). YES! In my honest opinion I believe (ALL) preachers teach lies. Not everything is a lie but many are.

2). I said earlier in another blog, "To say every preacher on earth is teaching lies would be an incomplete study. I know on a whole that most churches teach what they are taught to teach."

3). Here I am saying just because "Michaelbell" doesn't believe in the way "SOME" ministers preach.

-{ So now you know how I feel! I am a ALL, MOST, and SOME, kind of guy. #-o

See how easy it appears for most people to misunderstand what I say? It is from not taking the time to read closely what is typed, just like the scriptures I copy and paste.

I have typed so much since I have joined these exciting blogs that the letters on the keys are starting to wear off my keyboard, but I still double check for spelling and proper use of the words. Some slip by undetected until it's too late. I may have to buy another keyboard of stop posting. Whoa! Did I say that?

Since this blog was dedicated to dear friend who passed away, this was his take on it and mine also.

What about the two figures with Jesus at the Mount of Transfiguration,they were not dead. Don't think Jesus would have awoke their sleeping souls for a brief moment. This was proof to Peter that there was eternity with God.

Herbert Armstrong taught what you seem to believe, that does not give me the blessed assurance that knowing and believing that the second that I breathe my last in this life, I go to the Father and live eternally.

That is my assurance!

Moses: Deuteronomy 34:5 (King James Version)

5 So Moses the servant of the LORD died there in the land of Moab, according to the word of the LORD.

Elijah: 2 Kings 2:11

11 And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.

Elijah came back as John the Baptist and was beheaded. (Matthew 17:11-12)

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Sat, Feb 27, 2010, at 9:31 PM

So, there you have it, Mosed died. He did not sleep.

Elijah went to Heaven.

You said in another blog: The Holy Spirit returns to God because it is God but contains the memory of you. The memory of you is present with God but not the soul.

http://www.t-g.com/blogs/michaelbell/ent...

Was it their spirit, or was it their memory that Peter, James and John saw?

Now, I believe it was their spirit, because none of the disciples had ever seen these men.

To stay consistent with your theory you said:

However, we have to realize that Jesus raised Lazarus from the dead and others, so this would not have been impossible to wake Moses and Elijah up for this meeting.

And why not? Jesus knew he was going to die for the world in just days so why wouldn't he want Moses and Elijah to reassure him of his task.

Moses and Elijah are there as a representation of the law and the prophets who foretold the coming of Christ. I believe they are there for Peter, James, and John's benefit.

Why would Jesus need their reassurance?

Who is Jesus? Was He not before Moses and Elijah?

Do we have any scripture that shows Jesus depended on anyone but the Father?

Elijah came back as John the Baptist and was beheaded. (Matthew 17:11-12)

This is true as it is written, but you should understand that John was representative of Elijah's spirit and power, not actually Elijah himself.

And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord. Luke 1:17 (KJV)

Take note the word "of" in this sentence. John the Baptist represents the spirit and power of Elijah and is the fullfillment of prophecy found In Malachi

Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the LORD, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts. Malachi 3:1 (KJV)

John himself denied that He was Elijah:

And this is the record of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, Who art thou? 20 And he confessed, and denied not; but confessed, I am not the Christ. 21 And they asked him, What then? Art thou Elias? And he saith, I am not. Art thou that prophet? And he answered, No. 22 Then said they unto him, Who art thou? that we may give an answer to them that sent us. What sayest thou of thyself? 23 He said, I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord, as said the prophet Esaias. John 1:19-23)

So, Elijah must still be alive. And where would he be? In Heaven, where he was taken.

Finally, you have written this as your reason for the appearance of Moses and Elijah:

I can only guess at the answer because there isn't enough information in my head to say anything for sure and if I could no one would believe me.

Guessing? Yes, you have to in order to conform this to your belief that no one is in heaven.

You also posted this:

Didn't the bible say that heaven disappeared like a scroll being rolled up, when Christ returned? Yes it did, so there is no heaven at that time for anyone to go to. (2 Peter 3:1-18)

Does this mean that God disappears too? We both know that is not true. Where is God?

God has not given us ALL of the intimate details of His plan and the way He works. He has given us enough to know Him, know that He loves us,so much so that He sent His Son to die for our sins and raised Him from the grave to defeat death and the enemy. He gives us all that we need to be saved and to live in a way that reflects the Lordship and the love of Christ. I need to spend more time focusing on that!

You can write whatever you want from here on out. I need to move on to the work of trying to help people come to know Christ, and to help them in their Christian walk. This subject has been beaten to death and all the arguments (MINE INCLUDED) are not really helping people grow in their relationship in and with Christ.

Ijust know that church does not appear to be the same as it used to be.

All the scriptures that I have quoted from the bible are all lies.

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Sun, Feb 28, 2010, at 4:55 PM

Unique-Lies,

The scriptures you have quoted are not lies.

It was your interpretations, arrangements and uses of scriptures that was conveying the wrong message.

Satan is deceptive and gets to the best of mankind confusing us sometimes.

Jesus even had to rebuke Peter no sooner than He had just commended Peter and told him that He would give him the keys of heaven.

Mathew 16

13When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?

14And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets.

15He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?

16And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

17And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

18And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

19And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

20Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ.

21From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.

22Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.

23But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

Count it an honor to be tempted by Satan so much. He doesn't go after what he already has. He goes after the Sheep wanting to devour us.

Midnight Rider

You posted:

So, there you have it, Mosed died. He did not sleep.

Deuteronomy 31:16 KJV

16 And the LORD said unto Moses, Behold, thou shalt sleep with thy fathers; and this people will rise up, and go a whoring after the gods of the strangers of the land, whither they go to be among them, and will forsake me, and break my covenant which I have made with them.

Moses: Deuteronomy 34:5 (King James Version)

5 So Moses the servant of the LORD died there in the land of Moab, according to the word of the LORD.

So here we see two scriptures saying the opposite or do both mean the same thing in the way they are used?

Either one or both are Unique-Lies or both scriptures are correct like I have been saying all along!

You posted: Does this mean that God disappears too? We both know that is not true. Where is God?

There are at least 4 heavens listed in the bible. God is in the highest heavens which would be so far out that it won't roll up like a scroll.

The heaven that everyone goes to in Paradise is the third heaven. That one will roll up like a scroll.

- First Heaven

Jeremiah 4:25

- Second Heaven

Gen 1:14-19

- Third Heaven

2 Corinthians 12:1-4

- Highest Heaven

Matthew 21:9 ; Mark 11:10 ; Luke 2:14 ; Luke 19:38 ; Deuteronomy 10:14 ; Psalm 115:16 ; Ephesians 4:8-10 ; Deuteronomy 10:14 ; Psalm 148:4

Now we see that there is the HIGHEST HEAVENS, the real Heaven where God Lives, not the Third heaven like many thought.

13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

Yet Enoch (Genesis 5:24; Hebrews 11:5) and Elijah (2 Kings 2:11) went to heaven and so did Melchizedek, the high priest and king of Salem who blessed Abraham.

Melchizedek was God so he returned to heaven.

(BTW) Enoch was Noah's Great Grand father.

There is 3 more verses that contradict each other so which ones are Unique-Lies and which ones are the Truth?

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Tue, Mar 2, 2010, at 3:31 PM

Unique-Lies,

Perhaps no man, as flesh and blood, has yet ascended except Christ. However, that is not to say the soul has not.

The flesh and blood of man lays in the grave returning to the dust. The souls of man return to heaven and form the multitude John seen that was too great to number. This multitude was seen before even the seals that revealed the coming wrath were all opened.

The theif's body, like Christ's body was laid to rest in the ground. Their souls however did not lay there sleeping as can be evidenced by the scriptures. Both the theif and Christ went to Paradise that day. Christ even descended and preached unto the spirits in prison. Notice in verse 18 below it describes the body during this time as dead but the spirit quickened and preaching.

1 Peter 3

18For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

19By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

Both of the bodies, the one of the thief and the one of Christ, lay dead while their spirit was quickened and alive. The body of Christ was resurrected and joined to the Spirit on the third day. Jesus did not want his body to be touched until it had ascended. The soul of Christ had previously along with the the soul of the thief ascended to Paradise. Christ became the firstfruits of such a resurrection to ascend to heaven and deliver the flesh and blood. The soul had previously in the three days both ascended with the thief to paradise and descended alone to preach to the prisoners in hell while the body, as flesh and blood, lay dead in the graves.

Blessed Assurance,

Just like with the Bible scriptures I quoted many times.

Not one person seems to be able to understand what I am presenting to them.

If you can not understand my comments how can you say you understand something as powerful as the bible scriptures?

Everyone needs to re-read my post word for word, line for line and see what I am saying and asking.

You have just said words but did not answer one of my questions or rebut any statements I made!

Everything you posted here, I already know and so does any Christian who reads their bible.

I made some very abrupt statements and contradictions in my last comment, but no one seemed to read them or willing to make comment on them. WHY?

You posted: Perhaps no man, as flesh and blood, has yet ascended except Christ. However, that is not to say the soul has not.

That is just plain stupid! Everyone knows no one goes to heaven in their flesh and blood. It would explode and burn up or freeze in outer space. Man can only go to heaven as a soul or spirit.

You posted: The flesh and blood of man lays in the grave returning to the dust. The souls of man return to heaven and form the multitude John seen that was too great to number.

-{ Yes the body returns to dust and the soul Sleeps, "OR" it goes to Paradise (the third heaven), but not the highest heaven where God resides.

These two theories contradict each other. One is a lie or both are.

You posted: Both of the bodies, the one of the thief and the one of Christ, lay dead while their spirit was quickened and alive.

-{ Do you see what you just said? Both Christ and the thief's bodies lay dead "while their spirits were quickened and alive".

They were out of their bodies and in their spirit form.

You have always preached "To be absent in the body is to be present with the lord". The thief was present with the lord for only moments as they traveled to the third heaven which Jesus did not remain there as he had to get to Hell for a speaking engagement.

So now here we have the thief who is the first person (spirit) on record as going to Paradise with Jesus, or the third heaven. He was left there alone because Christ had not preached to those in Hell yet, so no one was there with the thief except for maybe Enoch and Elijah.

You posted: The body of Christ was resurrected and joined to the Spirit on the third day. Jesus did not want his body to be touched until it had ascended.

-{ The body of Jesus was Resurrected and rejoined with his spirit.

However Jesus never ascended up into heaven for 40 days. Why he said don't touch me because I have not ascended to my father is a mystery to me, because he told Thomas to insert his hand in his wound and finger in the holes in his hands.

I believe he was still in a transfigure state from going to hell because even his disciple didn't really recognize him and he walked through the wall of the house where the disciples were.

You posted: The soul of Christ had previously along with the the soul of the thief ascended to Paradise.

-{ I do not believe Christ has a soul. He is God and the Holy Spirit, but not a soul. The spirit of Christ is what we have when we receive him.

You posted: Christ became the firstfruits of such a resurrection to ascend to heaven and deliver the flesh and blood.

-{ Jesus became the first fruits of those who sleep.

The 144,000 became the first fruits unto God and the Lamb.

Why would you say "...to ascend to heaven and deliver the flesh and blood."?

50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God;

Then you posted: The soul had previously in the three days both ascended with the thief to paradise and descended alone to preach to the prisoners in hell...

-{ You said in this same paragraph... Both of the bodies, the one of the thief and the one of Christ, lay dead while their spirit was quickened and alive.

It was their Spirit that went to the third heaven not their soul, but Christ's spirit went on to hell afterwards. Nothing was said about the soul of the thief.

1 Corinthians 15:53-54

53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

-{ Immortality would be the Spirit because it is immortal. The soul is not immortal and can be killed.

The Soul sleeps.

Blessed Assurance,

Not one person seems to be able to understand what I am presenting to them.

Posted by Unique-Lies on Wed, Mar 3, 2010, at 12:45 AM

Unique-Lies,

I do not think the problem is in understanding what you are saying. I think people understand what you are saying quite well. The problem is finding people who believe as you do in your theories.

I think the "soul sleep" theory you have presented is easy to understand as you present it. You have actually done an excellent job presenting it........ a thousand times. Unfortunately for you though, a great presentation alone is not enough to get the majority of mankind to fall for a deception. Even multiple repetitons of it will not snare the majority.

Blessed Assurance,

You haven't even begun to explain any answers you might have to my questions, which you don't even realize are questions.

With Christ it is ONLY right or wrong, yes or no, good or bad, truth or lie.

How can the bible say we sleep when we know it is meaning we die / then say we go to Paradise in another verse?

How can the bible say "So Moses the servant of the LORD died there in the land of Moab..." / then say "And the LORD said unto Moses, Behold, thou shalt sleep with thy fathers;..."

How can the bible say that Jesus implied in Luke 16:19-31 that Paradise was in Abraham's Bosom across the gulf from Hell in the heart of the earth / then say "Paradise was in the third heaven" / then add "Paradise would be in the New Heaven"?

How can the bible say that Jesus said "And no man hath ascended up to heaven,..." / then say Enoch (Genesis 5:24; Hebrews 11:5) and Elijah (2 Kings 2:11) went to heaven and so did Melchizedek?

How can the bible say The souls of man return to heaven and form the multitude John seen that was too great to number. / then says "the dead know nothing;... for in the grave, where you are going, there is neither working nor planning nor knowledge nor wisdom."

Just to mention a couple.

Which of these scriptures are Lies and which ones are true? Or does that make all of them the truth or Lies?

Blessed Assurance,

Again you can not answer scriptures with scriptures without taking them out of content.

Let's continue with one at a time.

You posted.....I personally think the part that is stumping you is the words "the dead know nothing". You are confusing the dead with the alive. The body is dead, lays in the grave in a sleeping posture, and literally knows nothing. The soul is alive, aware of its presence in heaven(or hell), and knows its' condition.

-{ Where do you come up with your stuff. I do not read any of that in the bible.

1st we all know that when we die, our body knows nothing and does nothing BUT DECAYs! It is just a shell for our soul and has no life of its own. Why would you even say anything like lain in a sleeping posture when the body is completely decayed in time. That is what funeral homes do for your peace of mind. It doesn't matter what position your body is in because it decays and is no long present.

Are the ashes of your loved ones still laying in a sleeping position? How do ashes sleep with their fathers? How does any body which doesn't exist, sleep with their fathers?

Deuteronomy 31:16 And the LORD said unto Moses, Behold, thou shalt sleep with thy fathers;...

Sorry the body doesn't sleep, it decays. The soul sleeps or either it dies.

Ezekiel 18:4 (King James Version)

4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

You see, it's like you are always saying... this body is just a tent for your soul. We are souls and the body is just a shell that can not sleep. It either lives in flesh and blood or it decays. There is nothing to sleep in the body. It is just a shell... in your own words.

We ARE the Soul with a human shell. We, the soul sleeps when the body dies. We, as our souls, know nothing and do nothing without our bodies. We sleep until God resurrects us and gives us our bodies back.

You posted..... However, I feel many have been taken by the power of God. No man can ascend to heaven but God can catch them up. Only Christ has ascended to heaven on His own. All man will have to be caught up by someone other than themselves.

-{ Paul, Luke, Barnabas, or Apollos in 65 A.D. told us in Hebrews how Enoch was taken. He was "Translated".

Hebrews 11:5 (King James Version)

5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.

The bible says Enoch was Taken but doesn't say where he was Translated to! Everyone just assumed it was Heaven.

2 Kings 2:11 (King James Version)

...and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.

Which heaven was the bible talking about? There are 4 heavens! There have been other people caught up in a tornado and never seen again. Did they go to heaven, get stranded somewhere and die or still be alive not know who they are?

The thing is no one ascended into heaven before CHrist was resurrected. Therefore we must be resurrected before we can go to heaven. Resurrection would be resurrected back into your body. Your decayed body will be restored when you are resurrected.

You see, according to the bible, when we are resurrected, we must live here on earth again for a little season in our same bodies. No one goes to heaven at that time.

Our great Judgement comes much later after this little season.

Everyone MUST be Judged at the Judgement seat, which is after Satan is cast into the lake of fire and death and the grave give up the dead.

You posted..... I personally feel this is a typical situation where you are reading into something and wanting it desperately to fit your theories. To start with I can read your sentence and see that you are alluding that Abraham and the beggar were in the heart of the earth close by to the rich man. I think that is where you err. The scriptures say Abraham was afar off and up from the rich man. Remember, the rich man "lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off". Furthermore they state it was a great gulf between them. I think that if the rich man was standing in the heart of the earth looking up to Abraham standing in Paradise he would see quite a great gulf in between.

-{ You could have stopped with the words "I personally feel", because there is nothing said there except what you feel.

1). To start with I can read your sentence and see that you are alluding that Abraham and the beggar were in the heart of the earth close by to the rich man.

-{ This would be a correct assumption! The bible says that Jesus was 3 days and 3 nights in the heart of the earth. EVERYONE who died before Jesus was crucified was not forgiven of their sins. I read something about the only way to the father is through the son... so Jesus had to preach to not only the non-believers but the believers as well before they could be forgiven. Their sins were ONLY COVERED by the blood of animals.

2). I think that is where you err.

-{ I think that is where you err.

3). The scriptures say Abraham was afar off and up from the rich man.

-{ Yes, this is true, but it also said they carried on a conversation back and forth, so it wasn't as far as you would make it out to be.

4). Remember, the rich man "lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off".

That would mean that if hell was lower than Abraham's bosom, then the heat from hell would have "Risen up" into the Paradise and made it hot in Paradise as well.

5). Furthermore they state it was a great gulf between them. I think that if the rich man was standing in the heart of the earth looking up to Abraham standing in Paradise he would see quite a great gulf in between.

-{ That is just Wishful thinking on your part. It was a great gulf, so I don't argue that point. I am just saying if it was a great, great, great, far away Gulf, they would not have been able to talk back and forth. The again, have You ever listen to a roaring fire?

6). No where does the bible even refer to this as Paradise. It is only a parable Jesus used to explain no one would listen to the son risen from the dead.

7). And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.

-{ You said God is not the God of the dead using:

Luke 20:38 For he is not a God of the dead, but of the living: for all live unto him.

Yet Jesus used the parable to say the rich man said "Luke 20:38 (King James Version)

38 For he is not a God of the dead, but of the living: for all live unto him." Then Abraham said "If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."

8). If God is NOT the God of the DEAD, Why did Christ have to go to the heart of the earth to preach to both the non-believers and the believers?

You posted..... Those were only my opinions and I do not see any contractions or confusions in the scriptures.

-{ You are right! Those were only your opinions, because you don't have any scriptures to back up what you say!

You posted..... The Holy Spirit is not making you see contradictions.

-{ Again that is correct. You are bringing verses in from out of content to counter the scriptures I present as truth. You even voice your own opinion as to "how you think" I am wrong but can not bring forth any proof of what you say.

You posted..... They are all truths. All scripture is harmonious and without contradictions. Unfortunately Satan will attempt to turn and twist them if you allow him to make them appear as contradictory to one another.

-{ Then, for Once in your life, post the Truth and verses that prove what I say is wrong, not what you say is right!

As a point of clarity I am referring to fear as you convey it, not reverence and awe of God.

All the scriptures that I have quoted from the bible are all lies.

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Sun, Feb 28, 2010, at 4:55 PM

There is 3 more verses that contradict each other so which ones are Unique-Lies and which ones are the Truth?

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Tue, Mar 2, 2010, at 3:31 PM

Unique-Lies,

You are the one who sees contradictions in the Bible.

I do not see any contradictions in the Bible. The verses you posted seeing contraction in and we have been discussing do not appear to me to contradict themselves like you seem to think.

I only see how you have misinterpreted some words in scriptures causing you to think there are contradictions.

It is easy to let Satan make contradictions appear if we are not careful.

There has been times in my life earlier when I thought there was contradictions until I realized who was placing those before me and confusing me.

If there appears contradictions and confusion in front of us realize it is not authored by God.

The meaning of the versus you posted claiming contradiction in have to harmonize and be in agreement with each other if the Holy Spirit is helping you interpret meanings.

Only Satan is showing contractions and confusion.

Unique-Lies,

I believe the English word "perish" is what is stumping and confounding you this time.

Undoubtedly you are thinking it simply means nothing but cease to exist.

Why not take Midnight Riders' advise and study how words such as "perish" arrived in the KJV Bible through both transliterations and translations and you will see the stump that is hanging your plow up. He gave you a great link to get you started with if you would only listen.

You're too anxious prematurely desiring to be a teacher.......than to be a good student.

I can post some links for you to use but if you will not take good advise already given it is a waste of time.

Do you want a link to go to that helps tranliterate and translate?

Unfortunately the T-G system will not let me post the original text that has been tranlated and transliterated to get you pointed in the right direction. To understand your hangup you are going to have to go back to the beginning and start with the original text, walk through the transliterations and move on to the translations.

Uniquelies,

I can't help you if you will not help yourself.

U L , you must remember that Jesus, nor the apostles or anyone else for that matter back then spoke King James English.

That is why I read and use the Strong's and other valuable sources to help me understand the Bible.

People like Perry Stone and John Hagee and others who have sudied Jewish customs for years bring the bible to life for me and explain show so much.

I still prefer the King James vesion over others.

michaelbell,

If you read your bible again you will see that the Apostles spoke in tongues in every language of the people around them.

I know that King James nor possibly his English language existed back then, but the bible was written by men inspired by the Holy Spirit or you could say God wrote the bible himself with the help of men inspired by the Holy Spirit.

The Strong's concordance is included in some bibles and references to scriptures can be found in the center column of other bibles to let the reader know what the original word was that has been replaced by....!

The words "Sleep", "Slept", "sleeping" is also being replaced with the word "die", "Died" and "dead". That is further proof that the words "Sleep, Slept, and Sleeping" was used in the bible to mean "Die, Died and Dead".

Other Greek/Hebrew and Jewish Literature can help when it comes to explaining Customs and Traditions and the Geography/Topography of Israel and the Middle East. Even Landscaping over the years helps to understand some things in the bible, but when it comes to words, I listen to the Holy Spirit.

For example;

When the Bible was translated into the King James version or the NIV, or NKJV, or NASB, the Message, Amplified Bible, NLT, English Standard Version, (and the list goes on and on), You and Blessed Assurance and Midnight Rider don't think there was anyone smart enough back then to know what to write down for the correct meanings of these words.

Do ya'll really believe that the strong's and other reference works, over the years, has not ever been re-translated? If they were re-translated along with the bible, where is the accuracy?

I asked Blessed Assurance to look up the words... asleep, Sleep, slept/Die, Died and dead to see what they meant in Greek/Hebrew and the Strong's Concordance.

What was the original words that these words replaced and what did they mean.

Blessed Assurance couldn't understand the question.

If the Bible is the TRUTH, then the Bible is all we need to be fully equipt for Proofing and Proving any thing pertaining to the Word of God!

Blessed Assurance,

Exactly! The Greek and Hebrew Language was already Translated and Transliterated by the time the King James Version was published. There is no reason on earth for me to have to go anywhere but the bible to know what the Holy Spirit is telling me.

U posted:

"the word "apollymi"(perish) has among its meanings in use to convey the following including...."render useless", "to be lost", and "to devote or give over to eternal misery in hell". "Perish" does not mean to simply cease to exist in all contexts."

Now let's take the English meanings;

to die or be destroyed through violence, privation, etc.: to pass away or disappear: to suffer destruction or ruin: to suffer spiritual death:

expire, wither, shrivel, rot, molder , vanish.

Basically, the very same meanings as your lengthy research! To spoil, wither, shrivel, molder (to turn to dust by natural decay; crumble; disintegrate; waste away:) and vanish.

In short it all decays and exists no longer.

Perish the thought, we will all have to read the Strong's Concordance or Greek/Hebrew Transliterated and Translated dictionaries before we can understand God's Word!

You are teaching that everyone must read other instruments before they can understand God's Word.

I guess if you don't go to a church where the preacher reads these other books and knows what all the words mean, you just won't be able to learn the word of God.

"You will not surely die," the serpent said to the woman.

Satan is the one who tells us we will not surely Die. God said we would die.

Matthew 10:28

Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

If God kills the soul and body in Hell, then there is no more soul and body in hell.

It has "Perished"! Oops, I meant obliterated!

What does your Hebrew/Greek/Concordance say about that?

Why would God kill the soul and body in hell if he was going to make people spend an eternity in Hell?

That would be the same as saying even if you don't believe Jesus is the only begotten Son of God you will not Die, but have every lasting Life!

"You will not surely die," the serpent said to the woman.

Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

If God kills the soul and body in Hell, then there is no more soul and body in hell.

It has "Perished"! Oops, I meant obliterated!

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Mon, Mar 8, 2010, at 1:15 PM

Unique-Lies,

In your first sentence above I read "can destroy" in the verse but did not read "will destroy".

In your second sentence you used the word "if".

It your third sentence you went ahead and assumed and concocted that He did perform the "can" and "if" so it will blend with your theories.

God "can" do anything and everything if He desired. But does He do everything He can or could do just because He could and can???

Unique-Lies,

I see you are still confused and see contradictions.

Well....at least I tried to help you. Can you give me an E for effort?

Ezekiel 18:4 (King James Version)

4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

Oh my, a verse without a "can" or "if" in it.

What about the word "shall"?

BA,

You need to read your own statements:

If you take the verse out of context and leave out the rest of the Bible that surrounds it, then it literally could mean and you could argue that every soul shall die since every soul has sinned.

The whole chapter of Ezekiel 18 discusses the death of the father and his son an the son's son, both the righteous one and the one that sins.

It is plan to see that the righteous father or son does not die but lives whereas the father/son who sins dies.

We know and have witnessed that all people must die. So this chapter is talking about the soul that dies or lives.

I have not taking anything out of content. I am beginning to understand that you don't know what content and out of content means.

You posted:

For a soul to be seperated in eternity from God is a death to the soul. Spiritual death that is.

-{ You finally got it right.

A soul separated in eternity from God... is a death to the soul!

The Spiritual Death that is... is correct.

In both instances the soul of the sinner dies and is separated from God in eternity. It is the Spiritual death of the soul that sins.

This Spiritual Death is NOT a living Soul in Hell, no more than a dead soul is a living soul in hell.

Just because we have to die, does not mean our soul dies with us. It sleeps until we are resurrected and judged. Then the soul that sins is destroyed, killed, perished.

If everyone goes to heaven when they die, there would be no reason under the sun for Christ to ever return to earth again, as all His children would eventually go to heaven and all the bad souls would be in Hell according to the teachings of 299 out of 300. How can so many be wrong?

Oh, oh, oh, I know the answer to that one also!

John saw all the dead Christians in heaven in a couple visions, but Paul told us that those who are asleep (dead Christians) will rise first and be caught up in the clouds.

Who are you going to believe, Blessed Assurance or Paul.

Oh, oh, oh, I know the answer to that one also!

John saw all the dead Christians in heaven in a couple visions, but Paul told us that those who are asleep (dead Christians) will rise first and be caught up in the clouds.

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Wed, Mar 10, 2010, at 10:36 PM

Unique-Lies,

Think it through slowly and carefully.

The resurrection was of the body.

Remember....it was the flesh body of Christ that lay dead in the grave while the spirit/soul was active during the 3 days, being later reunited with the body when it resurrected on the third day.

It was and thus will be a bodily resurrection.

The Body dies and the soul sleeps.

Posted by Unique-Lies on Thu, Mar 11, 2010, at 11:21 AM

Classical Watchtower beliefs.

Still refuted and rejected today by 299 out of 300 after being concocted approximately 80 years ago.

Look at it however you seem content but the theory has been easily and vastly refuted and remains rejected by nearly all barr the Watchtower Society.

If all Christians go Home in heaven to be with their Father, then all the Preachers, Psychics, and Mediums who teach our loved ones are watching over us and protecting and comforting us as our guarding Angels here on earth, are all teaching Unique Lies.

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Thu, Mar 11, 2010, at 11:00 PM

Unique-Lies,

I for one have never heard a Preacher teach our loved ones are watching over us and protecting and comforting us as our guarding Angels here on earth. Perhaps "all" the preachers you have listened to teaches this but I know of none that do. I would suggest changing preachers.

I can not tell you what Pychics and Mediums are teaching since I have never known one, let alone what they may teach. If the phychics and mediums you are consulting with are teaching you this I would suggest likewise that you change the phychics and mediums you are consulting with. Actually I would suggest you stop seeing phychics and mediums altogether.

Uniquelies,

Let me add that a lot of your dread, lack of anticipation, terror, and lack of assurance and peace comes from not knowing if "you" have washed "your" robe clean enough with "your" works.

Peace, joy and assurance comes from knowing that my robe was washed in His Blood and it is sufficent.

Knowing this I am free of "my" washing duties and can now go out and spread the Good News out of love.

As far as not ever hearing a preacher tell people that their loved ones are here to watch over them, nor ever heard a psychic or medium tell this Lie, you must live a sheltered life with no contact with the outside world though TV or friends.

Posted by Unique-Lies on Fri, Mar 12, 2010, at 11:40 AM

I then may have lived a sheltered life. As I told you earlier I have not heard a preacher teach what you originally posted about "our loved ones watching over us and protecting and comforting us as our guarding Angels here on earth" and I do not consult or listen to phychics and mediums as a well versed man of the world like youself.

Did the phychics and mediums reveal all this secret stuff you got to you. :)))

Hehehe you're a hoot you old poot.

I think he has gotten what all the phychics and mediums he consults with and listens to have told him mixed up with what preachers are teaching.

Hehehe you're a hoot you old poot.

-- Posted by Blessed Assurance on Fri, Mar 12, 2010, at 7:16 PM

BA, this "hoot, poot" comment wreaks of foul fruit from the abundance of the heart.

Our attempt at washing our robes with our "works" is actually what soiled the garment.

-- Posted by Blessed Assurance on Fri, Mar 12, 2010, at 7:49 AM

True partially, it is not our attempt to wash them that fouls them. It is our disobedience. Our attemp to wash them is just that, an attempt. It does not get the job done.

King Saul learned that here:

1sa 15:20 And Saul said unto Samuel, Yea, I have obeyed the voice of the LORD, and have gone the way which the LORD sent me, and have brought Agag the king of Amalek, and have utterly destroyed the Amalekites.

1sa 15:21 But the people took of the spoil, sheep and oxen, the chief of the things which should have been utterly destroyed, to sacrifice unto the LORD thy God in Gilgal.

1sa 15:22 And Samuel said, Hath the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams.

Notice what Samuel said? "to obey is better than sacrifice".

The calling of the Church as this blogs topic is a call to obedience. God want our obedience. More than that he wants our LOVE.

Mt 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

Mt 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.

Mt 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Mr 12:32 And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he:

Mr 12:33 And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices.

Mr 12:34 And when Jesus saw that he answered discreetly, he said unto him, Thou art not far from the kingdom of God. And no man after that durst ask him any question.

Demons obey him but have no love for him, or their neighbors. Our work is to Love him. If we do then we will obey him just as Jesus says below. It is only by God's grace that we have this opportunity and are not relegated to forced obedience as the demons.

WE HAVE THE CHOICE BY THE GRACE OF GOD. He does not owe us this choice. The calling of the Church is to help us choose wisely.

Joh 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

Joh 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

Joh 14:14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Please concentrate on being loving and obedient and leave the sleep, death, flying away, judgement, or any other out-of-our-control items to God. Don't you have enough to do today to not worry about tomorrow?

Liveforlight,

I might add that if God's main desire was to have obedience He could have created a perfect obeying "multitude too great to number" x 7 x 70 by simply speaking it for Himself.

God knew well when He gave the Law we would and could not obey it. He gave the Law as to be our schoolmaster, to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

The promise was given first. The law requiring obedience was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made.

His will is to Love him more than anything else and to love our neighbors as ourselves.

Posted by Liveforlight on Sun, Mar 14, 2010, at 1:21 PM

Liveforlight

Yes, Jesus once even said that on these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. The law that was given to be our schoolmaster.

I have yet to meet a beleiver or nonbeliever who could keep the law for a minute, much less a day. If there was ever a law that could earn righteousness by being kept this was it. However........

Romans 3

20Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

21But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

22Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

23For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

24Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

25Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

26To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

27Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

28Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Martin Luther, the great reformist, once said that if you can grasp the above verses alone you can understand the entire Gospel and plan of salvation that was pre-destined.

I agree fully with him.

Blessed Assurance,

You posted for all to read:

Uniquelies,

I will apologize for laughing at you but I would be lying if I said I did not find your comments on mediums and phychics as one of the times I could not help myself. I did laugh until it hurt when I couldn't stop.

All I could picture was your head right up against a crystal ball asking the phychic....."whatda ya got, whatda ya got, are you sure, are you sure it's the 144,000, yea, yea, yea, yea,

Again, I am sorry and do apologize for the vision I was seeing.

-} My reply to this is I can not forgive you any longer! True Christians are suppose to forgive but you are not sincere in your apology. You never have been. You only want to make fun of and humiliate people.

I have watch mediums on TV with weekly shows that are telling viewers that their loved ones are here on earth to comfort them.

The whole shows are about crossing ghosts over (which is not in any bible that I have read) so they can move on into the next realm, then tell the viewers that their loved ones are here as guarding angels.

I am speaking about "Lisa Williams", "the Medium", Ghost Whisper", etc.. These shows are for entertainment, but are relaying Unique Lies to their audiences.

Want to hear your local preacher tell you a dead spirit is here watching over their loved ones... go to a funeral!

I speak out against mediums and psychics because God despises them and says they should be put to death.

Without knowing what they teach their audiences, I can not speak out against them.

I have watched their shows and know what they, and sometimes, their producers are revealing to the public. There are many people in the United States who believe what they are unknowingly being taught.

It is all against the Word of God, but it sounds so much better to them than believing their loved ones are Dead and Gone!

Until you can broaden your knowledge of how God's Word applies to everything and everyone without trying to make a mockery out of someone who is revealing knowledge, I can not and won't accept your apologies.

I can honestly say you are a sorry excuse for a person who doesn't practice what they preach. You preach we are judged by our fruits, but I have yet to see any good fruit fall from your tree! Everything is sarcastic and humiliating remarks that come out of your mouth from your heart.

You need to stop! Reach around you and pull your head out of your ass!

You need to take some lessons on how to treat people. Since you are suppose to love everyone as much as you love yourself, you have proven that you can not even keep the only two commandments that Jesus gave you.

If you stop and look around you today, you will see that our Nation is slowly moving towards a Socialist Dictatorship where everyone must get along or else. Just look at all the drugs the government is making available for mind control. They authorize the schools to give pills to children who are hyperactive, so they can control the child at will. They made available antidepressants - Also called energizer, psychic energizer. any such substance, as a tricyclic antidepressant, MAO inhibitor, or lithium.

A drug used to prevent or treat clinical depression. Isn't that what God is for?

You are not allowed to be too active or too depressed, or you may have to get a forced inoculation of one or the other. They heard someone once say "Can't we just get along?".

Now we don't have the right to be over active or depressed about something in our lives.

Everyone's emotions will be controlled by some Psychiatrist one day, not just the ones who are on them now.

So... go ahead and be hateful to everyone and see what you get. If you can't love your fellow man, you can't obey both commandments.

I just wonder what God has to say about only obeying one of his commandments after you are born again?

Oh, that's right, that falls under the fruit your tree bears!

I think he has gotten what all the phychics and mediums he consults with and listens to have told him mixed up with what preachers are teaching.

-- Posted by Blessed Assurance on Sat, Mar 13, 2010, at 7:18 AM

Or maybe he read it in one of michaelbell's blogs:

"The police said by all rights I should not have been walking much less driving, I was in the car but not driving , someone else was, my grandfather who had passed away a few years before was and still is my guardian angel."

Answering the call

Posted Sunday, February 3, 2008, at 8:37 AM

So, apparently some Christian do believe that.

Richard,

Yes, that does sound a lot like what uniquelies was saying.

"The police said by all rights I should not have been walking much less driving, I was in the car but not driving , someone else was, my grandfather who had passed away a few years before was and still is my guardian angel."

Posted by Michaelbell on Sunday, February 3, 2008, at 8:37 AM

Mr. Bell,

I forgot you had attempted to preach that the dead were here on earth as guardian angels. Is that what you believe?

Mr. Bell,

Are you saying it was your grandfather who had passed away driving the car?

Irregardless, are you teaching that the soul/spirit goes to and fro from heaven/hell to earth?

I thought it was bad enough on here with uniquelies spreading the soul sleep thing but it appears you are teaching the soul wandering thing?

It seems Paul carried a similar message to the Romans about the issues of Works and Faith

Romans 4

1What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?

2For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.

3For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

4Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.

5But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

6Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,

7Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.

8Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

Don't be deceived into thinking you can earn your salvation and keep your salvation by any amount of work(s). Such deception can and will rob you of peace and joy and leave you with dread and terror.

Only by Grace through Faith can the imputation of righteousness mentioned in verse 6 above occur.

Righteousness resulting in justification before God can not be earned. It has to be imputed.

Blessed Assurance,

Sorry, but I do not think we are judged by our fruits.

-} You are judged by other Christians as to what fruits you bear, (Just like what you are always preaching). If you are born again you will have only good fruit.

*** I think Christians can be known by the fruits of the spirit but I do not think we are judged by them. At least not as far as salvation goes if that is the judging you are referring to.

-} Your display of fruit comes after your Salvation not before being saved. It shows who is guided by the Holy Spirit and who isn't.

*** And let me say again that I would have to lie if I said I did not find your comments on mediums and pychics as hilarious. Perhaps they should not have appeared that way to me but in all honesty they did. Should I lie?

-} God Detested Psychics and Mediums to a point that there is nothing funny about what I teach about them, especially when God considers them an abomination.

Leviticus 20:27

27 'Now a man or a woman who is a medium or a spiritist shall surely be put to death. They shall be stoned with stones, their blood guiltiness is upon them.'"

*** But I think I understand what you are saying about watching them as your entertainment. I guess I live a sheltered life as you said since I do not watch them.

-} Again you just want to twist words around to make yourself look stupid.

I said these shows are shown for entertainment. This is because the networks can not agree nor disagree with them.

I even gave everyone the names of the Psychics or shows to investigate for themselves.

That is how you learn what is being taught to Christians! I knew God detests them so I researched them to see why and what Christians should watch out for.

You on the other hand want to say I watch them as my entertainment.

You only want to teach with baby food an milk, the basic teachings of Salvation and not expand into the world of knowledge that could save a Christian down the road.

Just another example of why I know things that you don't!

I even listed some of the shows on TV that anyone can watch to see and hear what they are trying to teach people. Again there is: The Ghost Whisper and the Medium which are just TV shows, but teach spiritualism against the bible. John Edwards and Lisa Williams who are clairvoyant and not so much a medium. Lisa Williams is much more accurate than all the other mediums or clairvoyant people I have seen.

I don't believe Sylvia Browne has much power in predicting events nor do I waste my time watching her. I do not call any Psychic phone numbers or get any reading from any of them.

My entertainment in watching these shows is strictly for learning what these Mediums, Clairvoyants and Psychics are saying to deceive the world into seeking their anti-christ readings of Unique Lies.

As I posted earlier:

"If all Christians go Home in heaven to be with their Father, then all the Preachers, Psychics, and Mediums who teach our loved ones are watching over us and protecting and comforting us as our guarding Angels here on earth, are all teaching Unique Lies."

Michaelbell is a preacher and believes just that, just like many, many other preachers and Christians, not just Psychics and Mediums.

You posted: If all Christians go Home in heaven to be with their Father, then all the Preachers, Psychics, and Mediums who teach our loved ones are watching over us and protecting and comforting us as our guarding Angels here on earth, are all teaching Unique Lies.

-} My answer would be for you to listen to what your preacher is preaching. Ask some of your friends, if you have any, what they believe. Most Christians can't answer any questions about life after death.

You posted: I can not tell you what Pychics and Mediums are teaching since I have never known one, let alone what they may teach. If the phychics and mediums you are consulting with are teaching you this I would suggest likewise that you change the phychics and mediums you are consulting with. Actually I would suggest you stop seeing phychics and mediums altogether.

-} Now that is an intelligent answer. If you don't know what is being taught to the Christians by psychics and Mediums, and even Gov. officials, maybe you should expand your knowledge so you can help Christians instead of JUDGING them as you do me.

My entertainment in watching these shows is strictly for learning what these Mediums, Clairvoyants and Psychics are saying to deceive......

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Tue, Mar 16, 2010, at 12:39 AM

Unique-Lies,

That would make a good excuse for watching porn movies also would'nt it?

Just something to think about.

Whatever floats the boat.

The Feds (World Bank and International Monetary Fund) or the "G7" which I like to call the Beast with the seven heads and ten horns, is controlling the Stock Market so they can make more fast money. They make a fast profit, as if they need it, and the people lose even more. (Just like I predicted a few weeks ago)

Posted by Unique-Lies on Wed, Mar 17, 2010, at 3:54 PM

Been back peeping in the crystal balls again huh?

You ought to give proper credit to the which ever witchdoctor you grabbed the info from. It was their crystal ball now wasn't it? And there you go trying to take credit for it. Just because you paid the quack 20 dollars to peep into the ball does not give you the right to claim the revelation.

Do you share your crackpipe with the fortune tellers you rely on?

somecommonsense,

Me, well, I couldn't afford to take advantage of my own prediction and buy any stock, but did tell everyone to buy stock in Utilities, Gold, Fuel, pork bellies, etc. if they wanted to ride the wave along with the Feds and make some money.

It only takes common sense and a look at the national news. I doubt the crystal ball people could predict that accurately. Most of them are quacks, fakes and phonies.

When you are able to acknowledge what our own Government is doing to us, you will understand it.

In case you haven't noticed, regardless of what the Government says, the cost of living has gone up.

I really doubt you could get any Quack for $20 today to tell you anything.

Have you seen the back of the new 2010 copper penny? It is called "The Lincoln Cent" and also "The Union Shield Cents".

The shield shown on the reverse of the new penny includes the motto "E Pluribus Unum" ("Out of Many, One") on the horizontal bar.

It is copyrighted, so you will have to go there to see it and read what it stands for.

http://unionshieldcents.com/

It has nothing to do with a one world currency yet.

However, I did hear on the news... the United States is going to change the United States one hundred dollar Federal Reserve Note to discourage counterfeiters.

I thought the US Gov. assured us that the present Federal Reserve Notes could not be counterfeited.

They better come up with a fantastic One World Order Currency or use the Mark of a Beast to protect it from the counterfeiters.

somecommonsense,

You posted: That's why I asked if you were sharing your crackpipe with your guru consultants.

Nah!

The only guru consultants I consult with are:

The Holy Spirit

Blessed Assurance

Michaelbell

Richard

Liveforlight

Midnight Rider

lazarus

somecommonsense

and of course my Television set and computer.

I get a lot of valuable info from the National/State and even County/City News and CSPAN.

And don't forget the Biblical Shows on A&E, Discovery and the History channel.

As far as sharing My crack pipe, the only crack pipe I have ever used is Preparation H and you are welcome to it if you must.

As far as sharing My crack pipe, the only crack pipe I have ever used is Preparation H and you are welcome to it if you must.

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Thu, Mar 18, 2010, at 3:15 PM

Uhh...I think I will have to pass on that one.

But it was funny.

You know, if you're having to use Preparation H it is no wonder you appear so grumpy, gloomy and grouchy.

Bending over and straining so hard trying to see what you want to see in those crystal balls isn't helping the old hemmaroids any either.

Did you know... that the very first complete Bible printed here in America in our English language was approved and funded by the Congress and printed by an American printer in Philadelphia?

This Bible, published under Congressional patronage, was the first English language Bible published on the North American continent.

Now that says something about our forefathers and how they really believed in God. God was a part of everything they did back then.

They drew up the constitution knowing that the constitution did not give anyone any rights. It protects the rights of the people.

As in the 1st Amendment. "No state shall make any laws respecting the establishment of a religion."

There was no intent to separate the state and church.

A separation of Church and State would prevent the government from going to church or reading their bibles or prayer before sessions in Congress. The State nor Federal Gov. would be able to tax the churches.

Also the churches would be under the laws, but the churches functioned under God's Commandments, so they had no intentions of separating Church and State completely.

Man, thru his ignorance of the constitution, has separated church and state and made everything a government dictatorship. Today, Churches are told how to worship and where.

Did you know... that the very first complete Bible printed here in America in our English language was approved and funded by the Congress and printed by an American printer in Philadelphia?

This Bible, published under Congressional patronage, was the first English language Bible published on the North American continent.

Now that says something about our forefathers and how they really believed in God. God was a part of everything they did back then.

Posted by Unique-Lies on Fri, Mar 19, 2010, at 12:35 PM

Well said unique. There is no doubt our early leaders were believers who had God forefront in everything they did.

We were ever so blessed as a nation during that time when God was forefront.

Look at the shape we are in today under the influence of the Anti-Christ.

America is stumbling, staggering and swaying under the influence of vintage Anti-Christ.