God's Timepiece!

Michael you will be chastised for your views but don't let them beat you down. Our time will come.

Give, give, give. Americans want Israel to give up everything for peace, the Bible says there will be no peace until Jesus comes back.

Let Israel be, if we turn our back on the and pull our support, who will sop Israel's neighbors from attacking them, NO ONE! Except God that is

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/03/...

michaelbell,

Your story goes:

For this prophecy to be fulfilled Israel had to exist again which it rose from the ashes in 1948, Jerusalem became its capital once again in 1967. Since then it has once again become a stumbling block for all the world.

5 To be trodden down by the Gentiles until the Second Coming[ after the Rapture of the believers]

Being fulfilled as I write this.

-} Isn't this what the Bible Prophesied? Why would you be upset to see scripture being fulfilled? Isn't the temple suppose to be rebuilt before Christ returns? Some say yes and some say no.

6 Will be occupied by the Antichrist during the Great Tribulation Zech.12:2: 14:2

-} The anti-Christ takes reign over the World from the city of Jerusalem. This must take place before the return of Christ, because Christ comes after the Anti-Christ declares himself as God.

Paul also told us in 1 Thess 4:15-17 that the souls caught up in the air (what everyone refers to as the Rapture) would not occur until Christ returned ...with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God...! This is not a secret return visit to get his church. He picks up his saints on the way down here at his second coming to chain Satan and throw the beast and false prophet into the lake of fire.

You posted: You can call it the rapture, the catching away, the abduction or call it a myth, JUST CALL ME GONE!

I am afraid that won't happen. You see, the bible says that everyone who is caught up to be with Christ ... go everywhere Christ goes. They never leave His side.

Since Christ is returning to take (slay) the evil and leave the righteous, You will be right here on earth with Christ as he does it. You will witness the First Resurrection and stay in the "worship center" as you call it.

7 To be the worship center during the Millennium ISA.2:2-3 Mic.4:1

-} This "Worship Center" you refer to is for the First Resurrection ONLY who will reign with Christ for 1,000 years, (and those who were just caught up).

This is the period AFTER the Wrath of God and the First Resurrection. (Rev 20:4-6)

If you are caught up in the clouds to be with Christ forever (Raptured), You will be stuck down here after the Millennium also because that is when Christ resurrects the rest of the dead for a short season, then he destroys the evil with fire from heaven. (Rev 20:7-10)

If you were caught up in the clouds to be with Christ forever (Raptured), you will still have to remain here on earth for a little while longer, because Christ has to raise all the dead and judge everyone. (Rev 20:11-15)

You may have been caught up in the clouds to be with Christ forever (Raptured), but you ain't leaving just yet for heaven.

The heavens have disappeared, like a scroll rolled up.(Rev 6:14)

God is making everything new. (Rev 21:1-5) God said "Behold, I will create new heavens and a new earth. The former things will not be remembered, nor will they come to mind..."(Isaiah 65:17-25)

Nope! If you were (Raptured up) you have to remain with Christ forever, everywhere He goes.

So, now we see there will be a New Heaven, as well as a New Earth created by God before anyone can go anywhere.

God and Christ will live inside the "New City of Jerusalem" (New Heaven) with all the people who are bound for heaven.

However, we have to remember that many people will not be going to heaven, but will inherit the "New Earth" instead.

So in short, to say "JUST CALL ME GONE!" doesn't apply as you think it would.

I call it a big Hoax and everyone will be disappointed when it doesn't happen.

Michaelbell said it best when he said: "People go to church at Christmas to pat baby Jesus on the head, then they go at Easter to feel sorry for the man on the Cross, they forget the One Coming Back to rule and reign forever!"

When Christ returns He will meet his chosen saints in the clouds then come on down to earth. Christ doesn't take them back to heaven (which just disappeared) then return again.

He only returns a second time.

While he is here, he defeats the kings of the earth's armies (Armageddon), destroys the Great City of Babylon (in New York), destroys the evil by fire in the furnace (takes the evil and leaves the righteous), Resurrects only those saints who were killed for his name sake, Chains Satan and reigns with them for one thousand years (the Millennium) (Rev. 20:1--7)

During this Millennium Christ will assign everyone their jobs as Kings and Priests. The earth will be prepared for the "rest of the dead" to be risen.

(I watched a show on TV about the earth after the people are gone. It said just about everything that man has made will rot, rust, decay, dissolve,deteriorate and disintegrate within one thousand years.)

After this Millennium, Christ and his Raptured souls will still remain here on earth, because Christ will Then raise the rest of the dead and release Satan at the same time.

The bible only speaks of a little season that Satan has to gather all his angels together to surround Christ's people and their camp, then God sends fire down from heaven to devour all of then.

NOTE: Here I want to add that the churches are always telling us that Satan only has a short time left, so he is working hard to deceive people.

At the present time... Satan has just as much time as we do here on earth. Only difference is, Satan will be chained at the end and we Die. This short time the Preachers are talking about, is after the "Millennium", not now!

That is just a misunderstanding (ALL) the preachers have mixed in with all the other Unique Lies.

Anyway, Christ finally throws Satan into the Lake of Fire where the Beast and the False Prophet are.

The bible does not stop there. It picks up after this last battle and the imprisonment of Satan in the Lake of Fire.

Christ is still on earth with his Raptured people, because they go wheresoever Christ goes forever.

By this time Christ has just killed off all the evil people again on the world. (Only the righteous are standing with Christ).

Christ has given everyone who was ever born on this earth a second chance to come back in the resurrection and prove to him if they could be righteous or not. Those who were not good and chose to side with Satan, God destroyed with fire.

Now is the time that Christ must judge everyone as He has promised. This is the Great Judgment seat you keep hearing about. (Rev 20:11-15)

NOTE:

Since we are not judged by the Lord until after the Millennium and after the second last battle with Satan, how can anyone say they have been judged by the Lord and get to go to heaven before they have ever been Judged?

The bible says the earth and sky has fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. So this judgment must take place in space somewhere. It says the dead (all the dead) were brought before a Great White Throne and judged according to "what they had done".

Anyone whose name wasn't find written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.

Here is where all the dead are given up and in a twinkle of an eye, they are instantly transformed into a heavenly body, because there is no longer an earthly place to judge them.

This is the first place in the bible that lets on that the dead leave the earth, even those who are in any Rapture. That is except for the short rising into the clouds to meet the Lord, then right back here to earth.

You (who are in this Rapture) finally get to leave earth, but so does everyone else who ever lived on earth.

It happens on the "Great Judgment Seat" Day.

Michaelbell also said "I hope part of his business will be to take on the A.C.L.U who are being boneheads again."

The A.C.L.U. is a legal group that tries to protect peoples rights from being taken by the Government and State Laws.

Believe it or not the Anti-Christ Beast will dissolve and imprison the A.C.L.U. (if they don't disband) long before Christ returns.

The Beast is not going to put up with constitutional rights fighters.

This is happening right now:

Congress has this idea that they can pass the Health care Package without a 2/3 votes. We won't know what they do until Sunday. This is a violation of our US Constitution.

If it does pass, Congress is putting the IRS in charge of collecting payment for this insurance from everyone. The IRS will seize the Business, Home and Bank Account of anyone who doesn't buy this Health Care.

Does this sound like a Totalitarian Government to you?

The IRS doesn't even belong to the United States. It is owned by the International Monetary Fund, making it a foreign business that has no authority within the 50 states. It can only legally operate within the US Territories and places ceded over to the government by the states with the consent of congress.

Your favorite big brother that everyone worships, is not only taking your rights away, but forcing whatever they want on the people.

If you want to fight against this coming Anti-Christ and the Beast (IMF), you must learn what your Constitutional Rights are and fight for them.

If you are a true Christian you should forget about the Rapture and be proud of the Constitution that is your only hope of protecting your God given rights.

I take my hat off to the A.C.L.U. for standing up for civil rights, but we have inalienable rights.

Civil Rights are absolutely nothing compared to our Inalienable Rights. These rights are given to us by God and can not be taken away, bartered or traded for lesser rights by the Federal Government nor the States.

Civil Rights on the other hand are given by the Government and can be taken away by the Government.

And all the Christians stood up and said "I will be Gone before the tribulations begin".

Well, all I can say is good bye! Don't know where you are going but... goodbye just the same.

This is the first place in the bible that lets on that the dead leave the earth, even those who are in any Rapture. That is except for the short rising into the clouds to meet the Lord, then right back here to earth.

Posted by Unique-Lies on Sat, Mar 20, 2010, at 1:14 PM

Unique-Lies,

Sounds like this cloud ride last no longer than you claimed your salvation did. A 10 minute cloud ride you concocting now?

UL, I will give you the benefit of the doubt, but when Jesus does come to the edge of the clouds and calls his children home, will you tell him No!, only because you didn't believe?

Blessed Assurance,

Don't be ignorant.

I know very well what righteous is and it doesn't come from self works.

I am way past this self salvation righteousness you keep crying about.

I am speaking of Christians like yourself who claim they are true born again Christians who have accepted Christ as their Lord and savior.

It is the works they do after they are born again that they will be judged by.

Move on!

You just keep saying the same old thing because you don't know what people are saying.

I gave everyone more to think about than your filthy rags righteousness.

Read your Bible!

Christ returns, destroys the tares and leaves the righteous alive. Then Resurrects the saints to be with him and the saints left alive on the earth.

They all reign with Christ for one thousand years.

Then he raises the rest of the dead, the sinners and non believers.

Why does the Lord do this?

He isn't going to judge them at this time.

Christ is releasing Satan from the bottomless pit to go out and deceive these people that Christ just resurrected.

Here is where these people get a second chance to accept Jesus or join forces with Satan.

If they accept Jesus they won't work for Satan but worship Christ.

If they follow Satan they follow Satan to a bombardment of Fire from heaven.

All the sinners and nonbelievers are killed a second time.

Then the sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had done.

After being killed for a second time, they are judged on their works.

Now pay attention this time...

The bible says nothing about the born again Christians (who were in the 1st Resurrection and the saints who came with Christ from the clouds (Rapture) nor the Saints who Christ left alive on earth to join those in the 1st Resurrection) being Judged.

Only the sinners and nonbelievers who are killed for a second time are judged, because it says the sea, death and hades give up the dead and each person was judged according to what he had done.

They are judged according to their works, which we all know won't save them, but these are sinners and nonbelievers who had two lifetimes to accept Christ and didn't.

All the Saints have been given salvation by the grace of God and the second death has no effect on them and have remained alive here on earth with Christ through this whole new (second lifetime of the sinners and nonbelievers).

Christ is here on earth the whole time with his righteous saints. So the righteous don't go to heaven but stay here with Christ until he Judges the souls and takes his children with him to the new heaven.

The only people judged by their works is the sinners and nonbelievers, not the righteous.

The bible doesn't say everyone is judged. It says the dead are judged. (Rev 20:12-13)

The bible says the saints remained alive here on the earth. They reigned with Christ for a thousand years then the rest of the dead were resurrected. Christ released Satan, so Christ was still on earth. Satan lead his army against God's people and surrounded the camp of the Lord and God sent fire down from heaven to devour them.

So again, Christ was still here on earth with his righteous people during Satan's short season.

Then the Lord judges all these dead people and sends them to the lake of fire.

At this time there is no heavens or earth so they are judged at the great white throne in the heavens.

So, Blessed Assurance, forget about salvation by works and MOVE On! We all know who is judged by their works.

So, Blessed Assurance, forget about salvation by works and MOVE On!

Posted by Unique-Lies on Sat, Mar 20, 2010, at 7:33 PM

As long as you ever concoct absurd theories of "a second chance to come back in the resurrection and prove to him if they could be righteous or not" I will stay on the Gospel of Salvation by Grace through Faith. Sorry, but that is the way it will be.

If there is anything that needs to be MOVED ON from it is the widely rejected and totally rebuked Watchtower false theories of yours. Accept the fact that you can not fool 299 out of 300 people and then realize that the 1 idiot out of every 300 in Bedford County that can be duped has been duped and accounted for and attending a local Kingdom Hall already, being deceived on a weekly basis along with you.

Blessed Assurance,

** Paul taught differently.

He did not say some or part of "us" would be caught up in the clouds......

1 Thessalonians 4:17

Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

-} So...it would appear to me that since; Paul is saying "we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air"... would mean (everyone who Paul is talking to, including everyone who reads 1 Thess 4:17 who thinks he/she is a Christian) and not just "some or part of" us, will be in the rapture according to what you are implying.

-} Yet Jesus said "Many will say...."

** John seen these... in heaven... before even the seals were all opened.............

-} Of course he did. John was taken to heaven in the spirit to see a vision of the future.

Why did John have to look at a vision of these things if John was indeed in Heaven in person like you confess?

You make no sense at all.

** (Rev 7:9) This uncountable great multitude was seen in heaven immediately after the 144,000 that remain on earth were sealed and protected.

-} Are you saying Paul and John were alive when these 144,000 Jews were marked?

Paul and John were both dead long before these 144,000 Jews were marked, so how could John be alive to be taken to heaven in the spirit to witness this vision (which BTW would have included Paul and John in the multitude).

Did maybe John not go to heaven and dreamed this vision of the future? Or did John go up into heaven in the spirit and see a vision which would happen in the future?

-} This would mean that this Multitude had not gone to heaven yet.

** The 144,000 are protected on earth from the various outpours of coming wrath including the locust that were to torment all left on earth but them.

-} I think it is such an injustice to think someone has to be marked or sealed in their foreheads to be protected from God's Wrath if they believe and worship the Lord.

Did Daniel get sealed before he was thrown in the lion's den, or Joseph when he was thrown in prison in Egypt, or Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-nego when they were cast into the furnace? No, and neither will the Christians when the time comes to be tested. The wrath of god will not effect the Christians, only the evil.

** You actually have things backwards. Virtually all are caught up in the clouds. Only a part or "some" of Christians are NOT caught up in the clouds.

-} Why would you confess to be a born again Christian if you think God's angels would not be able to recognize you as a child of God during the wrath of God?

** All are caught up except the 144,000 that remain on earth and remain protected through the seal in their foreheads that was issued right before the great unmumerable multitude is caught up and seen by John in heaven.

-} How stupid do you think we are?

If John is in heaven and sees these 144,000 get sealed in their foreheads, then they are sealed before Paul and John die. That would be long, long before the first seal is ever broken.

What is you way of thinking by having God take all the Christians to heaven except the 144,000 who won't be harmed by the locust, but have to remain on earth with the sinners and the evil scumbags. What kind of God does that?

-} Let's take a look at what you have been preaching to everyone:

1). when a Christian dies, they are Resurrected immediately, transformed in the twinkle of an eye into a heavenly tent, and whisked away to heaven to be at home with their father.

2). These Christians remain in heaven and stand before the Throne with palms in their hands until God sends his Son back to earth.

3). When the Lord comes long before the second coming, the dead Christians are Resurrected again out of their graves and rise up into the clouds where all the Christians who are alive at that time are caught up together with them in the clouds, and go on to meet the Lord in the air.

-} Here I have to stop you.

A). If all the Christians have gone to heaven when they die, who is being resurrected?

B). We are not resurrected two or three times. Only once. C). How can they be raised up from their graves if they have all been in heaven with God?

D). Why does Paul say they were asleep and will rise first?

E). If God sends all these dead Christians back with his Son, who are they going to meet in the clouds and in the air, if all the Christians have all gone to heaven and not sleeping in the earth like the bible says through Paul?

F). If all the Christians come back with Christ when he finally comes a third time, how can they be in heaven and not be hungry or in pain nor a tear in their eye. They are back here on earth with the Lord and not in heaven where all their worries are gone.

4). Who are these Saints who were beheaded for their testimony for Christ and their witness for God, who are in the "First Resurrection".

5). Did you miscalculate the number of Christians who were resurrected and gone to heaven?

6). When Christ returns he is going to slay the evil with sword that protrudes from his mouth and only the Christians will remain alive when he does this, because he doesn't slay the Christians.

7). What about the rest of the dead who are resurrected. Only certain saints were in the First Resurrection. That means the average Christian who never had to give his life for Jesus will be in the Second Resurrection, but who are Christians just the same.

That's enough for now. If you can answer these... however you can not and will only change the subject or take something out of content.

I hope the people are still reading your nonsense and realize what you are teaching.

I didn't think you could make any intelligent remarks.

All you know anything about is your archives.

You can search all the archives you want to and never find where you have answered any of my questions and more important what the scriptures say about these questions.

You just ignore the scriptures when you print your answers saying something about the archives. All you will find in the archives is you evading the question at all costs.

You may know what you typed in the archives but you don't know what God has printed in the Bible.

You can't see the truth for your obsession of being in the rapture