The Crumbling!

Michaelbell,

More and more churches are becoming Federally Controlled. The Federal Government is offering churches loans if they will Partnership with the Federal Government. This came from Jerry Falwell Jr. Chancellor, Liberty University who also said it sounded like a take over like the banking industry.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LbC_sp4i...

His college is aware of what the government is doing and adds this information in their classes to warn new preachers/ministers and students what the federal government is up to.

The government is replacing FREE Salvation through Jesus Christ with a controlled Salvation by the federal government with much needed money for the churches.

It is like I said last year. If the churches turn to the government to bail them out or loan them money to stay in business, then they are giving their freedom of worship away and will fall under its jurisdiction, just like the schools have and other businesses.

I am going to keep this short and sweet.

I know a lot of women that were very church going women and many had an abortion. They didn't seem as if it was too big of a deal as long as the public never knows.

BTW, Wikipedia is the worse place to go for stats. Anyone can add or delete as long as they have an account.

Diary of an Unborn Child

OCTOBER 5:

Today my life began. My parents do not know it yet, but it is I already. And I am to be a girl. I shall have blond hair and blue eyes. Just about everything is settled though, even the fact that I shall love flowers.

OCTOBER 19:

Some say that I am not a real person yet, that only my mother exists. But I am a real person, just as a small crumb of bread is yet truly bread. My mother is. And I am.

OCTOBER 23:

My mouth is just beginning to open now. Just think, in a year or so I shall be laughing and later talking. I know what my first word will be: MAMA.

OCTOBER 25:

My heart began to beat today all by itself. From now on it shall gently beat for the rest of my life without ever stopping to rest! And after many years it will tire. It will stop, and then I shall die.

NOVEMBER 2:

I am growing a bit every day. My arms and legs are beginning to take shape. But I have to wait a long time yet before those little legs will raise me to my mother's arms, before these little arms will be able to gather flowers and embrace my father.

NOVEMBER 12:

Tiny fingers are beginning to form on my hands. Funny how small they are! I'll be able to stroke my mother's hair with them.

NOVEMBER 20:

It wasn't until today that the doctor told mom that I am living here under her heart. Oh, how happy she must be! Are you happy, mom?

NOVEMBER 25:

My mom and dad are probably thinking about a name for me. But they don't even know that I am a little girl. I want to be called Kathy. I am getting so big already.

DECEMBER 10:

My hair is growing. It is smooth and bright and shiny. I wonder what kind of hair mom has?

DECEMBER 13:

I am just about able to see. It is dark around me. When mom brings me into the world it will be full of sunshine and flowers. But what I want more than anything is to see my mom. How do you look, mom?

DECEMBER 24:

I wonder if mom hears the whispering of my heart? Some children come into the world a little sick. But my heart is strong and healthy. It beats so evenly: tup-tup, tup-tup. You'll have a healthy little daughter, mom!

DECEMBER 28:

Today my mother killed me.

Michaelbell,

The truth of the mater is, when I look around me at all the things going on in the world today, I can not imagine anyone being selfish enough to want to bring a child into this world.

Everyone is walking around like zombies, not knowing what is going on around them in the world and refusing to believe anything is happening to them. Matt 24:38-39 For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark;

39 and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.

If the Christians don't know what is going on around them in the world today and don't care, how will they know when Christ is coming back?

If the Christians can't see what the Anti-Christ is doing to them TODAY (Right Now), how can they protect themselves from him when he already has control of them? As the years go by, there are fewer and fewer churches surviving the times because people are going about their business eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage and not watching.

Christians concern themselves with watching out for people like me who speaks the truth and reveals things that are happening today, thinking I am anti-Christ and should be shut up or ignored as a drug induced or drunken liar.

Go ahead and bring lots of babies into the world today, so they can receive these great Last Days benefits:

Just as soon as the World Bank puts us in the poor house, we will be faced with famine and disease. Mexico, United States and Canada will be one country called the North American Union. Your child won't have any constitutional rights because our U.S. Constitution will be replaced with the NAU Constitution and laws. Every child between 18 and 25 will have to enlist into a civilian army by law, if you are fortunate enough to keep them alive that long.

You children will inherit the debt Congress is putting the country in now and will have to pay taxes on everything (i.e. Cars will have devices to register miles driven so they can be taxed by the mileage driven, etc.).

Every state will come under federal law where your child will have no rights in court.(Like the days of our forefathers who were tried out on the open water on ships where they had no rights)

(Matthew 10:21 And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death.)

But that is not for you to concern yourselves with, because you adults will be taken away in some Rapture when all this begins. It will be ashame you won't be here to protect your children who were taught anti-Christ teachings in school and how the New One World Order will work and God is forbidden in any school or workplace and without a doubt in the churches also.

The Beast will be the creature worshiped and his image by all people or they will be killed or imprisoned (See Matt 24:21).

_ _ _ _ Michaelbell, don't you and Parkerbros teach that once saved always saved? If that is true, then anyone who is saved can have an abortion and simple ask God to forgive them and everything will be just great between them and God.

YOU are making abortion a sin by saying it is wrong! By saying abortion is a sin you are saying that the Grace of God which saves us by faith does not keep us in his grace nor saved, meaning as I understand it, they loose their Salvation when they have a sinful abortion. WHAT DO YOU SAY Michaelbell?

The bible says we are not to look at something as a sin, but Love God with all our heart and soul and to love our neighbor as ourselves.

The laws on abortion apply to the nonbelievers not the Christians. A true devout Christian won't have an abortion, but some may concerning issues. It is between God and them - not us.

The same holds true with Homosexuals, before you start on them also.

God knew from the foundation of the earth who would have an abortion and who wouldn't and who would be a homosexual and who wouldn't. God has already dealt with them in his own way. The guilt they carry because of society can be more of a burden than the crime itself. We may be held accountable for our brothers blood, but we can be forgiven of all sins except Blasphemy against the holy ghost.

Michael,

Please if you are going to go factual, please read the facts first. These are a little otherworldly.

An estimated 43% of all women will have at least 1 abortion by the time they are 45 years old...

Really? I think these stats are skewed a bit! I doubt that is the case. Is the estimate +/- 30% ? Come on really, this is ridiculous to even imagine.

Why women have abortions

1% of all abortions occur because of rape or incest; 6% of abortions occur because of potential health problems regarding either the mother or child, and 93% of all abortions occur for social reasons (i.e. the child is unwanted or inconvenient).

Seriously, Social Reasons?! You left out, it wasn't the right gender or sexual orientation.

Blueanjell,

/sarcasm on/ The baby was not able to write a diary before exiting the womb. Do you have facts or is that merely faith that the baby wrote that? /sarcasm off/

Uniquelies,

Really, Jerry Falwell Jr? The government is taking over churches? You mean the son of the same guy that started at a CHRISTIAN Politician uUniversity ??

A Christian school to train Christians to be politicians, http://www.liberty.edu/academics/index.c...... Please, Seperation of Church and State and now you call this guy being victimized? HE was asking for FEDERAL grants, and he is Federally subsidized. How can you be seperated by the church and state if ...

"The Helms School of Government prepares students to understand and articulate the Biblical Christian sources of our religious, economic, and political liberties, and equip them to become Christ-centered leaders, able to apply God's Word in every area of life."

You can't have both.

Not speaking up for one side or another, but I do want to know where you got your stats. I find it very hard to believe that 43 percent of all women have had or will have an abortion. In one part you say 60 percent of the women who get abortions are white, then you say "their abortion rate is well below that of minority women. Black women are more than 3 times as likely as white women to have an abortion, and Hispanic women are roughly 2 times as likely."

Huh?

My math skills aren't the best -- my checking account can testify to that -- but something doesn't add up here.

I found your presentation very well thought out, but I do want to know who supplied the stats.Please remember that wikipedia is NOT a reliable source for anything.

Why are all the Statistical information coming from 4 different dates??? We are talking some skewed results here. eh?

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Evil Monkey,

Back up and look at what you are saying!

Jerry Falwell Jr., Chancellor of the Liberty University is a Lawyer. His mission is to teach the word of God in all 10 or more different Schools and Colleges Liberty has and not just the Helms School of Government. The colleges/Schools put God first in their courses as it should be. These courses aren't teaching students to become parishioners and Political figures, lawyers,Aeronautics, etc.. They instruct students in the field they chose and put God in the middle of their teachings.

President Obama is a soft spoken, kind hearted, Charismatic person who appears to be God fearing, but look what he has lied about since becoming president, (everything). Obama may be a very polite, well mannered Charismatic Christian with a heart of gold but you have to understand no president that is elected has power to do anything. He is controlled by higher up nonpolitical people who own the world. President Obama must do what he is told to do or he will sleep along side of John F. Kennedy!

Personally, I have never had any use for Jerry Falwell, because he was a trouble maker (in my opinion) under the guise of being a religious leader, but I don't know his son.

Since Jerry Falwell, Jr. is chancellor of the Liberty University I would say he would know what the Government was doing in the churches with its partnership offer.

You posted: Please, Seperation of Church and State and now you call this guy being victimized?

-{ First of all, I didn't say he was being victimized! I said he warns his students about what the government is up to with its "partnership" offer.

If he asked for and got Federal grants and is Federally subsidized - then he got just what he asked for and what I warned about last year.

You also said: How can you be seperated by the church and state if ...

...You can't have both.

-{ I am tired of the phrase "Separation of Church and State"!

No where in the U.S. Constitution does it say "Separation of Church and State" nor does it even imply that.

"Separation of church and state" is perhaps one of the most misunderstood, misrepresented and maligned concepts in today's political, legal and religious debates.

The phrase was coined by the DOJ. Just another way for the "anti-christ" government to override peoples rights by confusing the people of the correct meaning of the U. S. Constitution.

The 1st amendment does not separate Church and state.

First, it ensures that religious beliefs are removed from attempted government control.

Second, it ensures that the government does not get involved with enforcing, mandating, or promoting particular religious doctrines.

This is what happens when the government "establishes" a church - and because doing so created so many problems in Europe, the authors of the Constitution wanted to try and prevent the same from happening here...

by putting it in the very first article of the Bill of Rights, to prevent the states from creating a church then forcing people to pay taxes to the church and worshiping its religion instead of their own.

So you see, we can have it both ways, until the NAU comes into play and replaces our U.S. Constitution with their NAU Constitution.

you are absolutely right,the baby was not able to write before or even after exiting the womb.This, of course,was not written with that intention. IT was written ONLY to make us stop and think ---and what better way than from the baby's point of view ? If that doesn't touch our hearts , nothing will.

the Bible shows that Jehovah God has high regard for human life right from its very start--Ex. 21:22-25.

It is important to realize that life is passed on, not at birth, but, rather, when conception occurs. It is then, says the Encyclopędia Britannica, that "the life-history of the individual, as a distinct and biological entity, begins."

Jehovah certainly has regard for human life prior to birth, for the divinely inspired psalmist David said of him: "Your eyes saw even the embryo of me, and in your book all its parts were down in writing, as regards the days when they were formed and there was not yet one among them."--Ps. 139:16.

Rather than considering abortion, how much better it is to take the view expressed by the inspired psalmist! "Look!" declared King Solomon of ancient Israel, "Sons are an inheritance from Jehovah; the fruitage of the belly is a reward." (Ps. 127:3) Yes, childbirth and parenthood have their anxieties, but not the psychological pain and guilt that so often follow abortion.

As for separation of church and state:

'Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's and unto God the things that are God's.' Matt 22:21

Abortion, gay marriage, and prayer in schools are three issues that really show the differences in conservative and liberal thinking.

Conservatives seem to think that they must force everyone to live by their beliefs.

It is already acceptable for any child to pray in school, as long as it is not disrupting classroom activites. If a kid wants to bow his head silently and say a prayer before his math test, nobody would even know or care.

So why do you need to force everyone in class into prayer?

And if two gay people want to get married, how does that really effect your life? What gives you the right to deny them the right to live their lives the way they want.

As for abortion, I find it ironic that conservative pro-lifers fight so hard for these babies to be born, but then reject them afterwards when the mother needs welfare assistance, food stamps, TennCare, etc.

I am by no means "pro-abortion", but I do believe that if you are "pro-life", it shouldn't end at birth. Why did so many conservatives fight against a heathcare bill that would provide medical services for these children once they were born?

Why do conservatives fight against the right for a loving married couple to adopt a child just beacuse they are gay?

Here are some more stats for you. These come from The National Association of Social Workers.

Over 700,000 children will experience a period of foster care this year alone with 519,000 living within the system for some extended period of time.

33% will experience homelessness 12-18 months after leaving foster care. Three of ten of the nation's homeless are former foster children

27% of the males and 10% of the females had been incarcerated (80 percent of prison inmates have been through the foster care system)

It just seems to me that many pro-lifers are the same people that turn their heads on these people later.

memyselfi,

You posted: Unique-Lies, I am sorry that the separation of church and state bothers you. I agree with you that there is not any mention of it (or the right to privacy) within the Constitution, but likewise, you will not find any mention of Jesus, Christianity, or even God there either.

-{ Althou these words are not in the U. S. Constitution they were used by our Congress back then. They prayed before each session. When you read the U.S. Constitution you can see how they were able to write such a document with the help of God. It is written kinda like the Bible.

In fact, On January 21, 1781, Philadelphia printer Robert Aitken (1734-1802) petitioned Congress to officially sanction a publication of the Old and New Testament which he was preparing at his own expense. Congress "highly approve the pious and laudable undertaking of Mr. Aitken, as subservient to the interest of religion . . . in this country, and . . . they recommend this edition of the bible to the inhabitants of the United States."

HOWEVER, the Tennessee State Constitution is a little different.

The word God appears:

Article I, § 3. Freedom of worship

That all men have a natural and indefeasible right to worship Almighty God according to the dictates of their own conscience...

Article IX, § 1. Clergy; eligibility to serve in legislature

Whereas Ministers of the Gospel are by their profession, dedicated to God and the care of souls, and ought not to be diverted from the great duties of their functions; therefore, no Minister of the Gospel, or priest of any denomination whatever, shall be eligible to a seat in either House of the Legislature...

Article IX, § 2. Atheists holding office

No person who denies the being of God, or a future state of rewards and punishments, shall hold any office in the civil department of this State.

Evil Monkey,

I can concede to religion and government do not mix.

My original post was only using the video of Glenn Beck and Jerry Falwell Jr. as a source that the Government was buying out favors from the Religious organizations/churches to obtain Partnership control with Federal loans.

I stated that J.F. Jr. being a chancellor of Liberty University should be qualified as a person who would have some knowledge of the Government using Social Justice as a way to get into the churches, since he was not only a minister and chancellor of LU, but a lawyer as well.

You did some great research on the subject and I went overboard with my response which is actually moot.

Personally I don't want Politics in the church nor the state interfering with the church. I will say that the Government more so than the states, will one day, because this world will have a One World Religion controlled by the One World Government.

Unique-Lies, I am not really sure what you are getting at. I guess my comment was too vague. What I was trying to point out was that you have no difficulty defending the right to fair trials, or privacy, but previously appeared (before your most recent posts) to refuse to accept the separation of church and state as being legitimately conferred in the same manner. There is no doubt of intent. The concept was an integral part of the drafting, but even if it were not originally, it has become so now.

That does not indicate that I dispute the religious convictions of some of the framers. There were many different traditions represented, with Christianity being dominate. That being understood, Christianity was not the only system of beliefs protected. In fact, the separation of church and state has a much older foundational standing than most of what we consider today to be any resemblance of a right to "fair" trials or privacy.

Privacy, or its currently accepted understanding, is the entire focus of this blog. Should personal privacy extend to a married couple's birth control? What about unmarried couples? What about an abortion, sodomy, or even homosexuality? Based on the rulings of the era, yes. Moreover, those rulings indicate that the concept was always there and under protection, but heretofore neglected and improperly restricted. It is the same with the separation issue.

The Tennessee Constitution does read in the manner you described, but the parts you pointed out are superfluous. Not only is the state constitution subordinate to the federal, the document itself renders the restrictions wholly unverifiable. I imagine the intent was to limit the most radical adherents of either side from achieving political power in much the same way that the poll tax restricted the poorest citizens' voices.

I do not see many similarities between the Bible and any constitution, save possibly the Priestly Old Testament portions of the KJV.

Too bad BP did not have of Worship for Mother Earth. With out "her" we have nothing, not even a place to hang our hat (call home).

this is from Answers.com about agenda 21 ( it is part of it, it also gave the longer version from Wikipedia,)

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A set of proposals, made at the 1992 UN Conference on Environment and Development for the furtherance of world-wide, sustainable development. Agenda 21 sets out environmental strategies for the management of coasts, oceans, and water, the monitoring and reduction of chemical waste, the eradication of radioactive waste, and the conservation of natural vegetation and soils. This last proposal links with plans for the development of sustainable farming, and other socio-economic proposals include measures to improve health care, to reduce poverty, and to develop fair and environmentally friendly trade policies.

The aim is to promote global sustainable development at a more fundamental level than traditional aid programmes, based on common needs and interests, and on collective responsibility. Agenda 21, as agreed by national governments at Rio de Janeiro, is an action plan at all scales, requiring local governments to develop their own 'Local Agenda 21' in order to spread understanding of, and action for, sustainable development.

Agenda 21 is accessible online at http://www.un.org/esa/sustdev/documents/...

/index.htm.

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The Gulf crisis now is an example of why we should have some actions to control how the planet is being cared for. Earth needs protection from greed and ignorance, and hopefully by looking ahead and making safe guide lines to set standards that will help prevent things like the Gulf spill in progress we can avoid more of the same.

I have not read the whole 21 proposal so am not debating the specifics in it, but am defending the concept of having a plan in place to protect "Mother Earth" so that she is well and healthy for future generations. She needs respect, and protection from those who put greed and profits first with no real regard for the environment. BP is said to have allowed this to happen by negligence, that it could have been avoided. With out anything to protect us from these things where will be? What will be next? Sadly there are actually people who will argue with projecting the planet from the abuses, to them I say move to the Golf coast and leave the undamaged areas to those who love and respect it. God gave us this wonderful planet to care for her and love her - The Golf is what we get when we do not honor our responsibility. We do not need to have less regulation of these agency, like many are calling for, but rather tighter restrictions and control that would protect us from this sort of thing again. Regulations have been lax and we can see how that is working by looking at this spill. Yes they "should" be able to monitor themselves, but BP is showing us that we can not trust them to. Not everyone sees this planet as a blessing from our Lord, many see only dollar signs, they work with greed in mind not respect for what God has trusted us with. We can not trust them with the future of this planet, not if it is connected to their profits.

Here are some links about agenda 21 and population reduction. I remember some talk of this when the senior Bush was president. They want to reduce the Earths population to 500 million. That means about 4.5 billion have got to go.

One of these links also talks about seizing control of oil.

Has anyone ever wondered why an oil rig that floats on submerged pontoons sank? Yes, it caught on fire on the parts above the water, but how did the pontoons that were far below the surface of the water loose their bouyancy from a fire that was far above the surface of the water? Something is not right about that whole situation.

There seems to be a lot at stake in the Gulf more than we will probably ever know.

But for population control and reduction, there is no doubt that abortion is effective. So is abstinence, one is a Godly method, the other is not, which one is being promoted the most by Agenda 21 and our government?

http://www.tcrnews2.com/Agenda21.html

http://www.resistnet.com/profiles/blogs/...

Wonderwhy posted;

God gave us this wonderful planet to care for her and love her -

-- Posted by wonderwhy on Thu, May 27, 2010, at 8:42 AM

Liveforlight replied:

We are to love God, not the Earth. We should care for the earth as belonging to God and not let our greed destroy it.

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Come on your being a bit over the top here, God has given us many blessing, one of them is the ability to love. Yes HE is our greatest love, but in no way is it wrong for us to love the blessings he has granted us as long as we do not put them above our love for HIM. What good is the gift of love if we can not use it?

I pointed out I had not read the whole agenda 21 thing, let me clarify what my point was, it was that because of the nature of greed in people there needs to be some method of control in place to control the greed in those who choose not to control it themselves. This sort of event is what happens if it is left unchecked, there needs to be checks and balances to keep the honest.

I never said anything about 'Mother Earth Worship" they sound like another bunch of fanatics who grasp an idea, twist it around and run crazy out of control with it. Most people just look right past them. ( like Jim Jones or those people who used to pass out flowers at airports) Personally I have never heard of them before.

I do agree with you that there is something not right with this accident,( I think I heard that some of the under water damage was done by falling debris, but I can not quote the source) and I question if there was a "helping hand" involved. But then again there is always a lot of speculation of evil intent when man made horrible events happen. I am surprised we are not hearing both political parties accusing the other of doing this to harm the other.

Wonderwhy,

It may be "over the top" as you say, but there is a fine line here. The scriptures below say not to love the world or anything in it.

1jo 2:15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

1jo 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

1jo 2:17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever

The scripture also says to love God and your neighbor. The problem here is in loving the earth more than God and more than our neighbor. Agenda 21 places more value on the earth than it does either of these two.

http://mediamatters.org/research/2010043...

Unique-Lies, Oh okay, I get it now. I also happen to agree with you, but am a little surprised to read so much relativism from such a devout Christian.

Liveforlight, Where did you get the example of population reduction? I did not get that understanding. I imagine that such a contingency is in place, but the execution of it would not be taken lightly. The eventuality of such an event would only be the result of no better choice. The way I see it, those who find themselves in a position to make such a decision would have absolutely no desire to do so. There is simply no benefit for them to justify the action. When any population experiences a sudden extreme decline, the traditional power structures face democratizing forces that usurp their authority. Markets constrict and collapse, creditors fail as debtors die, the cost of labor increases exponentially, and there is a period of relative equality that invariably creates entirely new power structures.

I guess if true environmental ideologues ran the world, we may need to be concerned. However, true environmentalists do not run the world, and likely never will.

Liveforlight,

This type of thinking is the same kind that Hitler used to justify the murder of millions. Oh wait, that is what abortion is doing isn't it?

-{ If you have read just some of the evil, torturous news items and researched stories, then put them all together, I think you would have to say it is a blessing for those who are aborted and won't have to face what is to come, even though it is wrong.

I will state that I am against abortion, but just "Agenda 21" tells us that their lives are in the hands of murderers from this day forth.

For the past 35 years I have known about the One World Order, The take over of the Bankrupt Central Government, The destruction of all lawful money in the U.S., Giving Sovereignty to Corporations over the people by changing our laws to protect businesses and not the people, Powers given to the United Nations, How the Central Government got its unlawful Sovereignty and the IMF.

Now it goes deeper into powers of the World Bank, the Bilderberg group, Agenda 21, FEMA's 500,000 Plastic Coffins near Atlanta, GA, FEMA's private Army, U.N. Troops in America, Private Police Forces for NAU, North American Union, the Amero, The Super Highway 4 football fields wide to transport import/export and to make people pay toll to pay for it and the worse of it all is Martial Law. (Look at Martial Law in New Orleans when the military took everyone's arms inspite of their rights.

And let's don't forget about the FEMA Concentration Camps, All states will be under Federal Jurisdiction (BIG, HUGE, ENORMOUS Mistake on the part of the states), and of course the Global Warming.

Did I mention the FEMA Colors for every man woman and child that determines what happens to them? Taxes to breathe in America. What happens if you can't pay? The new Health Care fee that you will have to pay to the IRS. (Which reminds me, anyone hear how many insurance companies have folded without paying claims in the Nashville Flood this year?)

Starvation, our own military forcing you to get shots, leave your home, separating family members and putting in FEMA Camps according to the color by their name, and our Military sons and daughters executing men, women and children to bring the population down and you worry about an abortion.

I am sure there is a color black next to my name so I will be killed when this all comes in play. That is better than accepting the mark of the beast.

I can only say that is better than being someone with the color yellow. They know nothing about the one world order, so they can be retrained to think the way they want them to. This would include obeying a government created Religion and worshiping the beast and accepting his mark.

NOTICE:

I know no one wants to believe any of this and that we have a Christian Nation, but we don't and these things are happening now. They go hand and hand with what the bible tells us will happen.

People have thought that the world would be destroyed by an asteroid or meter. Some think by a world War III. Some say when the World comes against Israel. Some try to say that the earth will turn to an ice age and freeze because of a meteorite.

Still others think it will be the Battle of Armageddon which doesn't happen until Christ returns.

Scientists have left everything wide open to... a Gamma-ray burst, Ice-nine, Rogue black holes, Giant solar flares, Reversal of Earth's magnetic field, Reversal of Earth's magnetic field, Global epidemics, Ecosystem collapse, Biotech disaster, Particle accelerator mishap, Nanotechnology disaster, Environmental toxins, Robots take over, Mass insanity, Divine intervention or an Alien invasion.

The Word of God explains how the end will come about. The alien invasion is the closest event to the truth.

As I stated in the beginning, "For the past 35 years I have known about the One World Order..."

This has been going on for the past century or more, so when it will finally happen no one knows the day or hour!

If Bible Genealogy and the scientists carbon dating is accurate, by my calculations we are in the beginning of the sixth day (if 1,000 years is like a day and a day is like 1,000 years). We still have 700+ years to go before the Sabbath day begins with the Millennium, or first Resurrection!

We may even have longer, depending on the number of days in a year back then.

Nah! Just a guy who believes in keeping up with what is going on around me. I don't own any guns at all, well, except for an old BB gun.

Non of that will protect me from what I have just described, besides, I can't afford any of that crap with all the taxes and cost of living as high as it is and climbing.

The armor of God and patience is all I need along with the knowledge I have.

I will only say that I am not your ordinary person.

Wow some of these things are really either paranoia, or extreme fear mongering. I do agree we need to keep our eyes and minds open to see and watch for the enemy, but some of this stuff is really stretching it.

Help me out here a bit, where are these so called FEMA camps?

you say"If you have read just some of the evil, torturous news items and researched stories, then put them all together,"

Too me it sounds like you are taking some scissors and trimming the edges of the puzzle pieces to make them fit where they are not intended to. Beware, anyone can take bits and pieces of truths and manipulate them with fear mongering and give them totally different meanings.

Unique-Lies, It's not what we "learn" at your posted links, it's what a person chooses to believe or how gullible you may be. Since it's all really just speculation and usually written by someone trying to sell you a book.

I can post links for you about the Apollo 11 moon landing in 1969 being an elaborate hoax by the U.S.

Or that real Paul McCartney actually died in 1966 and was replaced by a man named William Cambell who looked and sounded just like the real Paul.

Or that space aliens are actually living along side us right now. They are called the "Anunnaki" and are from the constellation Draco.

Or that Princess Diana was actually murdered by the royal family and the British government.

Your theories have about as much merit as the ones I just listed.

Liveforlight, Yes, I have looked at many of the links posted, but how is Agenda 21 specifically related to these other concerns? It is one thing to judge the merits of any given concept, but when those judgments are infused with unverifiable and un-sourced theory, it obscures the reality of the concepts at hand, and renders objective contemplation impossible.

wonderwhy,

You posted: Who knows what is or is not true any more.

-{ You are absolutely right also!

The only way to know what is true is to wait and see what happens but don't be ignorant of WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN!

Just as the Bible scriptures are twisted around to mean whatever someone wants them to mean, doesn't make it the truth.

God's word is the truth but you have to get it from the Holy Spirit not from the mouth of man including man made Schools, Colleges, Universities and Ministries.

Our brain is like a computer... file away information until you see its possibility of applying one way or the other.

The Bible tells us that the Beast will rule the One World Government, Judicial System and Religion.

If that is true, then some how it has to become a reality. This is why many will not see it coming because they can't believe their own Government (people who may live next door to them or down the street or even related to them) could do this to them.

Look at the past.

President Franklyn Roosevelt took the Gold from the people and traded it for federal reserve notes by including the U.S. citizens as the enemy to the United States (these were 14th Amendment citizens not Sovereign American born citizens) changed the Trading with the enemy act to say the President had special power over congress when this country was in a state of emergency then declared a state of emergency giving him power over congress, before he was even inaugurated.

President Kennedy discovered this and minted silver coins to pay our debt with. The federal reserve had Kennedy assassinated and Johnson became the president. Johnson was ordered to melt the silver coins and remint them using less silver and eliminating the half dollar, as Kennedy was being put in the ground. Johnson pass the coinage act in 1965. That should count as some reliable proof.

Ruby Ridge with the murder of his wife and son over shotguns being sawed off too short, and the Waco Incident have already occurred with all evidence burned to the ground by Military Tanks while the FBI prevented any fire trucks on the scene.

Is this the kind of Government you want serving you? These are people just like you and me who live next door and are ordered to commit murder... and do it!!

What about our congress being threatened with Martial Law if they don't do what they are told.

That pretty much makes our congress useless!

Why give them a job and pay them if they are going to work for the Bankers who enticed congress to put us in debt?

L@@ks like it is time to replace "all" of these useless followers (Demoncrats and Republican'ts) of the dictatorship of the rich bankers.

I thought it was strange that our government was shutting down so many U.S. Military Bases years ago. I hadn't heard about concentration camps etc.. These bases have already been renovated for living quarters and have guards walking.

If they are for emergencies where is the FEMA Housing for Nashvillians who lost their homes and property in the floods recently. Did FEMA come in and help these people with housing and food secretly?

When Cops, Soldiers, a former State Trooper and a CIA Agent stand up and speak out to warn the people, shouldn't you listen to what they are risking their lives to tell you?

Each of us have to decide what is true and what isn't. I don't ask anyone to believe or not, just check it out then decide what is right for each person to consider.

Even Jesus did a lot of fear mongering and manipulation through his parables about the end times.

God wrote the bible using men inspired by the holy spirit and there is an awful lot of fear mongering and manipulation in its pages coming straight from God. It is a part of the learning process.

A lot of it is just plain History and has been made law!

somecommonsense,

You didn't even get that right! Can't you do anything right? You do the same thing with bible scriptures.

I believe you will get a yellow sticker because you can't get anything right.

wonderwhy,

An excellent examination of what is happening today with not only the devil but the anti-christ also.

You open your eyes one day and WHAM! When did that happen?

In the Christian Greek Scriptures, 1 Corinthians 6:9, 10 says, according to the New International Version: "Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral . . . nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders . . . will inherit the kingdom of God."

It is interesting that, according to dictionary definitions, homosexuality includes sexual DESIRE for others of one's own sex. Yet the Bible makes a distinction between the PRACTICE of what is bad and sinful DESIRES or tendencies.

These DESIRES may be present despite determined efforts to eradicate them from mind and body. Because of their earlier life environment, and perhaps other factors, there are those who have the urge for this type of relationship,of course, BUT they CAN fight that unnatural, Satan-inspired desire--and they DO NOT have to give in to it. They CAN get control of their thinking, knowing that wrong desire that is allowed to grow fertile is bound to express itself in wrong acts.--James 1:14, 15; Colossians 3:5-10.

Kinda like Hidden truths in the Bible wouldn't you say? I guess we are not meant to reveal any truths. They must be revealed by God only to believers.

somecommonsense,

Where did you read that at? It isn't in any of my bibles.

If you are going to make false accusations you should at least have some source to protect your liability.

AS regards the following message :

blueanjell/Unique-Lies,

Why don't you tell us all about your JW "secret" that the second coming occurred invisibly in 1914?

Did all the "soul sleepers" snooze right through it and miss it?

-- Posted by somecommonsense on Fri, Jun 4, 2010, at 7:38 AM

************I would be very happy to share with you and anyone else who sincerely wants to know , the details confirming that Jesus did indeed begin ruling in 1914. But it is all too evident from your tone of speech that you really don't want to know , (for whatever reason )

The Bible at times alludes to the preciousness of pearls in an illustrative way. With reference to the surpassing value of true wisdom, Job said: "A bagful of wisdom is worth more than one full of pearls." (Job 28:18) In the Sermon on the Mount, Jesus Christ counseled: "Do not throw your pearls before swine, that they may never trample them under their feet and turn around and rip you open." (Mt 7:6) Evidently Jesus meant that, if a person shows no appreciation for spiritual things, one should not further endeavor to share spiritual thoughts and teachings with him. Such persons would only trample upon valuable spiritual things and abuse or injure anyone endeavoring to share these with them. Jesus also illustrated the preciousness of the Kingdom of the heavens by speaking of "one pearl" of such high value that a traveling merchant seeking fine pearls "promptly sold all the things he had and bought it." (Mt 13:45, 46) Thereby Jesus showed that an individual appreciating the true worth of gaining the Kingdom of the heavens would be willing to part with everything in order to gain it.--Compare Mt 11:12; Lu 13:23-25; Php 3:8-11.

well, see that's where the problem lies . "YOU" don't see that anything happened that year ----------but it did.

It seems most people are expecting a visible return of Jesus when that's not likely to happen since he himself isn't visible to humans . he returned to heaven as a spirit being .Remember what the Bible says ? flesh and blood cannot enter into the kingdom of GOD ?( the one we pray for when repeating THE LORD"S PRAYER ?) that means only spirit beings are in heaven

as for the heretical or departure from the accepted beliefs = this is true with Christendom , but not with true Christianity. True Christianity started waaaaaaaay back in the garden of Eden .and there's been a direction line of faithful men ever since then, for GOD's plan for the earth hasn't changed. It will still be the way he intended for it to be .

somecommonsense,

Sorry, but YOU read more Jehovah Witness and Watchtower magazines evidently than I do. You seem to know all about them. I spend my time reading the KJ and NIV.

However, you keep reading those Watchtowers so you will know who is just like you.

You still don't know that God has hidden the truth in his word or refuse to believe it.

You want me to believe YOU know everything about God's word and his plan, yet YOU can not explain the verses you use as proof, then say there are no secrets in the bible.

The scriptures tell us that when we die we sleep and know nothing and do nothing, yet you refuse to believe those scriptures God hid in his word.

I say "God HID in his word", because YOU can not See nor understand those scriptures.

So, Tell US, How do YOU differ from any other false prophet or religion?

It seems most people are expecting a visible return of Jesus when that's not likely to happen since he himself isn't visible to humans .

Posted by blueanjell on Sun, Jun 6, 2010, at 5:05 AM

blueanjell,

He was "seen" ascending and will be "seen" when He returns.

Acts 1

3To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God:...........

........9And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.

10And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;

11Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

What part of "seen" gives you the most trouble?

Did you also miss the part in verse 3 that said he shewed himself alive and being "seen" by them for 40 days after the Resurrection?

What part of "alive" is so hard to understand?

It is the mislead christians who think they will be in the rapture who believe Christ will return invisible to get his church, so no one will know he came and got them.

Posted by Unique-Lies on Wed, Jun 9, 2010, at 8:15 PM

uniquelies,

Almost all Christians I know of think it will be visible when we are caught up (raptured) to meet Him in the air.

Revelation 14

14And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.

15And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.

16And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.

Reaped up and gathered up into the clouds by Jesus as seen by John.

1 Thessalonians 4

16For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

18Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

Reaped up and gathered up into the clouds to be with Jesus forever in the words of Paul and comforting indeed.

Oh yes, oh yes comforting indeed.

Now... You can remove these scriptures if you like to make the bible say what YOU want it to, but it will still remain the truth for everyone else.

Posted by Unique-Lies on Fri, Jun 11, 2010, at 1:25 PM

uniquelies,

Why would anyone want to remove the parable of the tares of the field that tells us of a "heavenly" kingdom and a "worldly" field that is harvested.

Perhaps if you would have included verses 24 and 30 it might have been clearer to you.

24Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:.....

.......30Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

It is comforting to know "we" Christians are gathered up into His barn.

It is however disheartening to realise "they", the tares, are bundled up for the fire after "we" have been harvested up and away.