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Southern TraditionsPosted Saturday, June 12, 2010, at 2:15 PM
Southern Heritage
Things like cornbread, sawmill gravy, grits, mountain oysters, RC cola and a moonpie just to name a few. Each Southern state has it's on take on these things, like my vice of Sun- Drop is home grown in Tennessee along with Jack Daniels and George Dickel, which go together with Sun Drop I might add. When I used to drink them that is.We have sports like horseshoes, frog giggin cow tippin and snipe huntin, mud races and dirt track which led the the sport of NASCAR. We have Southern Baptist and Southern Rock, which I always wondered if there were Northern Baptist and Northern Rock? I read the following article and thought it would fit in note the citation. Southern Culture and Tradition L. M. Henline Arizona School of Professional Psychology Abstract The culture and tradition in the south was established many years ago and many have remained today. This can be seen in many areas such as diet, music, manners, and religion. Brief history will be explored, racial problems and taboos that remain in the south. Southern Culture and Tradition. Southerners were well known to be true gentlemen and still to this day are referred to as gentlemen. Upper-class southern women were an essential part of the cult of chivalry. They were placed on pedestals and treated with elaborate valor and outward deference. Most women of the south were wives and daughters of common farmers. There was little pampering or chivalry in these women's lives. Both the mistress of a plantation and the common mistress worked hard. They managed a large household and many house slaves, which was a difficult and demanding job. House slaves were often part of the family and the tension between women's familial feelings for their servants, (Unger, I., 1992). Life in the southern states is a culture different from any other in the United States. The southern tradition is very much alive. Southern culture has been the most distinctive regional culture, due to the racial oppression of black Americans and the succeeding rationalizations for that exhaustive racial discrimination, (Feagin, J., 1989). After the Civil War the slave-plantation the southern whites rebuilt society. The plan was to keep black southerners in their place. The New South has been inflicted with a massive display of discriminatory practices, legal and informal, for the purpose of handicapping the blacks, (Feagin, J., 1989). Loyal southerners still hold a resentment towards the dominance of the North, still clinging to the belief that the southern way of life is superior to other ways in the United States, (Feagin, J., 1989). Southern culture is bound by patterns of diet, religion, music and manners, rather than by geography, (Reed, J.S., 1993). Popular southern foods include; grits, fried frog legs, country gravy, catfish, hushpuppies and cornbread. Homes that have a formal dining room have china placed in proper sequence waiting for company to stop by. This room is only used for company or big family gatherings, which is traditional during the holidays. The family table is much smaller and is in the kitchen or in a separate room near the kitchen. If there are many children at the gathering, many times they are placed in the other room to eat so the adults can converse without interruptions. Food is cooked and placed in serving bowls and placed on tables and after the blessing the head of the family, seated at the head of the table begins to take his serving and pass the bowl around. This continues until everyone has been served. After the dinner, the lady of the house will clear everyone's plates from the table and return with desert. Likewise after the desert is finished, she clears the table again. Manners at the dinner table are required of all children and guests. Everyone must be properly dressed for every meal including breakfast. Company is always served with fine china and polished silverware. Deserts always follow with coffee. After the dinner, the women help wash the dishes, put food away and clean the kitchen. This is where the best interaction takes place between these women. The men may retire in front of the TV or outside to smoke and discuss their accomplishments or look at mechanics of equipment or vehicles that may not be working properly. Many times they may just retire to the family room, relax and take a nap while the children play and the women socialize. Religion is very strong in the south. Many public schools continued with prayer in the schools up until 1972. Southern Baptist and Methodist church organizations have many influences on the south and their laws. Some of the favorite pastimes for the southern people include; fixing things around the house; helping others; eating; developing one's personality; having a good time with friends and family; taking naps; and sometimes just doing nothing at all. Manners are very important and go hand-in-hand with respect. Children as well as adults answer yes mam / sir and no mam / sir to their elders. They are taught not to interrupt a conversation. They are taught to be perfect little adults. Interracial relationships were and still are a taboo in the south. Both races tend to turn their back on the couple or will only accept their own and many times not except the children from this type of relationship. Neighborhoods are still segregated and when you are white, you want to make sure you don't make a wrong turn into the black neighborhood because it can be dangerous with the racial tension still strong in the south. There is another group of people growing in the south and that is the Cubans. These people also are segregated into different areas similar to the African Americans. Tensions are very high between the blacks and whites in the south. There are southern traditions during tragedies as well. When someone is in distress, a meal is prepared and in the event of a death, large amounts of food are made and brought to the family. It is a pleasant obligation. The grief stricken family does not need to play host. This tradition comes from when everyone had large families and didn't want the mother / lady of the house to have to deal with loss of a loved one and the loss of her cupboard at the same time. Community binds the southerners together as a people. Some urban ethnic sections still maintain this feeling of community. Southerners have worked for generations to maintain this sense of over active lifestyles. Out of respect and honor, cars pull over to allow the grieving procession to pass. Everyone dresses in their Sunday best, in somber tones. This is done to take the emphasis off of the way they dress and keep the attention focused on the family who is going through the loss. The good things are remembered about the loved one. The focus is on his release from suffering. This is done to help these families say goodbye and work through the pain, and prepare for the days ahead. It is a southern thing to do, give support to the grieving family, even if you don't know them. Other notable aspects of southern heritage are ghost tales passed down from generation to generation. Families are close knit and many become enmeshed, full of secrets that are to stay within the family and never discussed with an outsider. They are a loyal and proud group and many will defend the south until the day they die. In conclusion, the south was built with pride and much of that pride still remains, as do many of the traditions and culture. This affects many aspects of a southerner's life in many ways. Many racial problems occurred and still occur to this day. Links: Southern Web
It has been said that voice activation device do not work properly in the South because of the " Southern Slang", everything is always blamed on the South. The point I am getting at is that I have great pride in my Southern Heritage and proudly wear a Confederate bandanna , I wore it last week and was asked if I was going to attend another Southern tradition, A KKK rally, which I did not even know was going in just down the road in Franklin Co. Let me stress that I do not endorse or agree with all the Klan's beliefs, I do not hate Blacks or Hispanics or ESPECIALLY Jews! I do not like all of them even some white folk I ain't to partial to! Seems to have been a altercation between a White school teacher and a black student, don't know the story, but I do know the teacher and refuse to believe that he did what he was accused of. If we have all these groups who fight for their races right, what is wrong with a white race group, just use another name for the KKK only sparks outrage and nightmares of times gone past. There are groups for gay rights , have one for straight rights, if Mohammad is made fun of, threats are made but poking fun of the true God is OK and even made the norm these days. Slavery was so wrong and will always be the blight on America, for the North had them to, but it is our history Everybody talks equality but no one seems to have the perfect answer Comments Showing comments in chronological order [Show most recent comments first] |
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"Let me stress that I do not endorse or agree with all the Klan's beliefs, "
Do elaborate for us what beliefs of the KKK do you endorse................Personally I have yet to hear of one GOOD thing related to those who hide behind closed doors, and are known for nothing but spreading hate.
You seem to think that only in the south do people have respect, manners and traditions. I hate to tell you but where I grew up (not even near here) we had many of the same traditions. However the women were not subservient to the men but instead respected. Men are considered to be the "head of the family" as far as earning the wages, women were the nurtures and cared for the family. However I can say that I never once saw my Dad get up from the table and plant his bottom in front of the TV or what ever while Mom was left to all the clean up and other duties. He would have considered that not only disrespectful but also very demeaning to my mother. Once WE cleared the table as a family we finished up the days duties so WE could as a FAMILY relax and share time together. Not one of us was to good to pitch in and help prepare for a relaxing evening.
Even though the races did divide themselves I never heard the expression "keep them in their place till I came to the south. (Not that there was not racism, it just was more hush hush and not so in your face)
Manneres were of utmost importance, yet there was not as much of the sir and mam but rather more of Mr. and Mrs. ( instead of "thank you MAM, it would have been "Thank you MR. Jones" )
We were not the type to disrespect or look down on those who were new to the area, we instead had "Welcome Wagons" to make them feel welcome and to help them become part of the community. It was considered extremely rude and unbecoming to shun new comers, instead we reached out and did our best to make them feel at home. If any of us had behaved the way some of the "southerns" did when we moved here we would have been made to be the outsiders. It was not accepted. Now let me clarify, not everyone here made us feel like we were leapers many were a delight to meet and made me feel very welcome - but I will say more than once I was asked if I knew the difference between a Yankee and a DAmn Yankee........ what a disgraceful way to represent your community. (Once it was asked by a very influential person in the county)It only takes one nasty person to ruin the good of many when it comes to feeling welcome in a new home. So when you say "Community binds the southerners together as a people" that can be taken in more than one way.
One trudition that I see in the south I did not where I came from was the manner in which Furneral processions are revered. They would stop at lights to allow them to pass, but they did not pull over and unlike here in the south I never once saw anyone on the side of the road stop what they were doing,remove their hat, and stand there to show respect. I can not explain the deep feelings I had when I saw that happen the first time. I knew then that no matter how nasty some of the rude people had been to us for not being here from conception that there is a depth of true respect in the hearts of others here that was not seen any where else I have ever been. I fell in love with the south. I would picture that when ever I encountered the "sterio type" southerner that felt the need to "keep us outsiders in our place" (not because of race but because of being new to the area)
As far as the klan goes, their beliefs of pride in the white race, they go about it in a bad way, but they do have their pride.Because I will not allow my girls to date outside their race[ when I do allow them to date] because I agree ith what Arizona has done and wish Tennessee would do, because I do not believe in gay rights and because I believe and know that Jesus is the only way, I seem to share more in common than some, but that does not bother me.
The KKK have no pride and no pride in themselves. It has nothing to do with dating outside your race. It is about HATE.
Oh I think we all know how you feel. So you don't have to keep talking about it. Not very chrsitain of you. The Rebel flag has nothing to do with not liking another race at all.
I only posted the picture because it goes hand in hand with the sterotype of th South, people see it and they think redneck and racial, nothing seem to be said about black groups who hate or Hispanic groups who hate. You show a POW or a MIA Flag and you know what it means.
I only posted the picture because it goes hand in hand with the stereotype of the South, people see it and they think redneck and racial, nothing seem to be said about black groups who hate or Hispanic groups who hate. You show a POW or a MIA Flag and you know what it means.
Frankly, I challenge you on your statement "that Jesus is the only way" since you do not follow Jesus' teachings. Where in all the statements attributed to Jesus does he speak against interracial marriage or against anyone else at all?
You can not honestly follow Jesus and the KKK, they represent two completely different life styles. Where Jesus is loving and forgiving, KKK is just plain hate filled. Where does the bible say not to date outside of your race? As far as pride in the white race, you dear take that too far if your following the KKK as your example!!!!
All your talk about whom your daughters will be allowed to date, can I also ask who would let their sons date a daughter of a man who aligns himself even slightly with the KKK? No decent parents would want their children (of any color) to be associated with that kind of hate filled family unless they too are filled with the same sort of racist hatred.
The way of Jesus is interpeted so many ways, such as Baptist, Methodist and all the rest. When I say that I am against interracial marriage it comes from partly how I was raised and by seeing how the children are treated, by both sides , not just one and society as a whole. The teachings of Jesus have gotten so watered down over the cnturies by the newer versions of the bible that no one can really know what he was teaching. Guess like the teaches of today, we listen and then form our own opinions.
Jesus may not have but his apostles nd early church writings show a disinct sepeation.
I have never or intend to follow the KKK!
Do tell, where in the bible does it back your racism? Convince us that the KKK pride (or any other pride for that matter) Is with in the will of God................
You have pride in your work, family, appearance and the way you live your life I hope, some pride is good. What I believe is not racism, I am no better than anyone else to only marry within my race is a matter of choice, what my daughters do after they are of age is them, don't mean I have to accept it though. The Jews take pride for they are the chosen people, point I am trying to make is, so much is being given and catered to minorities, but when whites claim achievements and want to have pride in the fact it is called racism.You have Black this and Hispanic that and Asian this and Gay that , months are given to them
special privileges, and everything else. Remember America as a whole brought slaves over, slaves of all color, not just black. Loans are given to minorities, sometime illegal ones, but the ones born here can't get squat! They do something wrong, get caught, and they use the race card to walk away free.Everyone talks equality, well in my humble opinion, the scales are becoming very uneven. The Bible said that in the end of days that ethnic group would rise against ethnic group so we are only fulfilling prophecy.
Galatians 3:28 (NIV)
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
I understand the frustration that you speak of but as a man of the cloth you should be teaching Gods word, not racism.
I am not teaching racism, just the facts.
Besides, as a minister, husband and a father I would not be at a rally, nor would I any other time either
michaebell are you going to tell your girls who to fall in love with as they get older? You said you want allow them to date outside their race. What would you do if they fell in love with someone outside their race? Would you not love your daughter any longer? God loves all people no matter what color they are.
I will teach them my beliefs till they are 18 , if they then learn to believe something I will cross that bridge when I get to it. The person they fall in love with had better be male for there is no accepting that in my house.
The not marrying outside the race is more of a personal thing as I said earlier, for some people are more intolerant than I am.
Please go to our grandson site. My husband felt the same way for a while and missed out on a couple years od devon life. devon-foote memory-of.com/
I think that you are very funny. Because you claim to be a christian who is suppose to not "judge" anyone. However, here you are stating that you also believe in the KKK. You cannot believe in both. My father believed in the KKK as well, so when I had my oldest child and she was born tan and not white, he wouldn't and hasn't had anything to do with her. Even though her father is white; the doctor said it was something in the genes because my great-grandfather on my mother's side was a full-blooded Cherokee Chief.
The KKK, just like the Black Panthers and gangs, are nothing but wimps and bullies. They cannot fight a fight theirselves. They have to have a group of people to do it for them. They go around teaching hate and creating racial tension. Why not just let everyone live their lives, why judge people by the color of their skin? The KKK and other white groups claim that they only like "pure whites". "Pure whites" do not exist. Everyone is a mix of something. Trace your family tree and you will see that you have various cultures in your background.
I am from TN and have Southern Pride and also have several items with the rebel flag. But I don't own them for racist reasons, but for being proud to live in the south.
Also, I believe and teach my children that you should like or treat people by the way they ACT...NOT by the COLOR of their skin. I feel very sorry for your children.
FYI my great grand- mother was a Full- blooded Cherokee Indian I am of Scottish- Irish ad Dutch descent.My memorabilia is for honoring my Southern Heritage not to produce hate! As far as future son in laws go they will have to earn my respect first and foremost before they receive my blessings to take my daughters. I have no problem with Native Americans or people of the Jewish faith which are not pure white. Because of some issues I have had with African and Hispanic Americans I seem to critique this more, if it came off as racist that is not my intent. These girls were given to me by God and my intentions are only the best for them. But because my love for God is greater than love for anyone else I will not allow some things is my home even if my children come to accept it as OK. That is just the way it is!
as far a falling in love goes , that ideal is not biblical anyway.
Numbers 12: 1-15.
Moses was married to a black woman.. God was offended.. why should we get bent out of shape??
Michael, you really need therapy.
The boys 'will have to earn my respect first and foremost before they receive my blessings to take my daughters'?? Do you realize that if they like these boys well enough that they are not going to care what you think? You run the risk of alienating your children and/or inciting them to rebellion.
I am getting therapy, physical that is! Unlike a lot of children these days, mine are being taught right and wrong, most a taught, this " whatever feels good garbage that is popular these days" They are taught respect for parents and they know I do not give "time-outs" though they have never needed a spanking. The Bible is mandatory in my house!Let a boy that I don't approve of come to my door to ask my girls out for a date, he will see it hit him in the backside as he is told to leave!
People always use that verse about Moses , the Ethiopia then is not the one we have now.
"The Bible is mandatory in my house!Let a boy that I don't approve of come to my door to ask my girls out for a date, he will see it hit him in the backside as he is told to leave!"
My parents tried this as well, and it didn't work for them. Because #1, I stopped being christian around the age of 8. #2, girls are most likely to date guys the opposite of who their father is. But they will end up marrying most likely someone just like their father. If you trust your children, why not let them make their own decisions? They may fall in love with an African-American who treats them like they are the Queen of the world or may fall in love with a white guy who treats them like dirt. So, colors and sexual orientation doesn't matter when it comes to the heart.
From past experiences you can't always trust the heart, been burned one two many times. I have learned and will teach my girls that when mind , body , and soul agree, then it is usually right. There has to be some common sense[mind] a physical attraction[ the body] and a soul [ heart] attraction, when all are not in agreement then beware, when all three are then it is right until one of the three falters.
oops meant to say God was NOT offended by Moses marrying a black ethiopian woman...Numbers 12: 1-15.
My thoughts on whom my son should date is:
No druggies, No theives, a morally upright gal, someone with a sense of purpose..
someone who has her sh*# together..
someone who is comfortable with herself.. someone who Loves unconditionally..
I don't care what race she is from.. if she has qualities of a Lady that is what matters and love with a pure heart.. like Christ loves..
I don't understand why the T-G would host your ridiculous opinions acting as bookends around someone else's work that you copied and pasted into your post with zero regard for proper form. Now I am not a grammatical genius by any stretch of the imagination, but would it really kill you to proofread your post a few times and fix some of the errors before you stamp it as fit for public consumption? Here's a hint, get yourself a "Little Brown Handbook" and look through it. I am not trying to nit pick, I just find it sad that grown men and women have yet to learn the difference between the words to, too, and two. It is embarrassing and in a way gets back to your post's theme of Southern Pride. It is sad and ironic that the form and substance of a message that attempts to set the record straight regarding stereotypes held against those that live in the southern United States, can do so much to reinforce those very stereotypes. Do us all a favor Michael Bell, keep your ideas and thoughts to yourself. You do more harm than good to those of us that identify ourselves as Southerners.
By the way, at what point is sponsoring your misguided theories bad for business? If it hasn't reached that point by now, then I guess it never will.
Dear Nathan, the article was a afterthought not a pre- planned addition it kinda fit my theme I cited it so what's th big deal? Are we all not allowed to voice our opinions? or should we all be as one? as the NEW WORLD ORDER plans to implement!
A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another: just as I have loved you, you are also to love one another, John 13-34.
Guess that doesn't apply to Mr Bell. Here's a few things that do according to Webster's.
Imbecile- a foolish or stupid person.
Moron- a very stupid person.
Racist- one who practices racial discrimination, segregation
BIGOT- a narrow minded person who is intolerant of other creeds, opinons,etc.
Long time since I heard from you Chef
Imbecile,yes because I do not follow the Word of God as I need too.
Moron, yes because I so often take trips out of God's will and choose my own paths, which lead to disaster.
Racist, make your own decision.
Bigot most of you are intolerant of my creeds and or opinions.If being intolerant of stupid moronic imbeciles who don't accept the saving grace of Jesus Christ then yes I am a bigot.
Any more names you want to throw out at me?
nathan.evans,
I echo your sentiments 100%.
While I'm sure that most of us have inadvertently used 'too' and 'to' improperly, I would venture more times than not it is a result of haste and is an occasional occurnce. Mr. Bell's continued lack of proofreading and his lack of concern for proper language invariably reflects badly on the paper and on the community, especially when his posts are read by an outsider.
Again, Mr. Bell you are entitled to your opinions and I completly support your expressions of most of them even though I hardly agree with you. I do wish you consider having someone else overlook your work and make suggestions. Sometimes we all benefit from another's eyes when analyzing our own work and find the suggestions that they offer useful and constructive. Just a thought.
This blog was an after thought to the Klan Rally over in Franklin Co. yesterday.
Were you there Mr. Bell or watch it on the 10:00 news? Bless em, even the Grand Wizard or whatever you people call each other said the KKK weren't racist...hahahaha.
People strip away all offense you feel for Mr. Bell and laugh! When you say you're shocked or appauled, he gloats, he did his job, it's a sick sense of self pride, but it is His Southern pride...hahaha.
If you watch CSI or Criminal Minds, you know those ppl they profile that go back and watch the devastation at their crime scenes? There you go, he can go back and read the comments and gloat at the offensive stance he took!
Serial offensive plagerist!
Gottago, that's exactly what I asked in my email to the T-G...is This the Reflection we want on our community?? You can't even link to a great story by the paper, because someone my stumble on his blog and think this is how We all are!
Michael may I issue a challenge to you? I would be most curious to read the exact bible verses that you reference as a basis for your argument against interracial marriage. I find it most tragic that when you post a statement like:
"When I say that I am against interracial marriage it comes from partly how I was raised and by seeing how the children are treated, by both sides , not just one and society as a whole."
that you can't see that you are indeed the society that is creating a hostile environment for these children with parents of different races. And then to take it one step further you in another comment state that you yourself are the product of an interracial marriage thrice removed. But you make it all ok in your mind because you "have no problem with Native Americans or people of the Jewish faith which are not pure white."
So perhaps you would enlighten us all, and be courageous enough to lay out what it is that you have against people that are "not pure white", and why they could never be suitable husbands for your daughters.
Also, the science of genetics (which in my mind is the ingenious creation of the masterful engineer and architect called God), shows that children born to interracial couples are genetically healthier than children born to parents that are more closely related racially. Now how can it be that a naturally occurring phenomenon like natural selection, that can be witnessed with concrete evidence, and in my mind has God's own fingerprint on it, be wrong? I see only one way for it to be wrong. It goes against Michael Bell's beliefs and teaching which are backed by his opinions, stereotypes, teachings of Jesus that no one can seem to find in their bible, and just about every other ridiculous, misinformed, ignorant reason that Michael Bell has been blinded with, created by and introduced into the world by, the most infamous one, Satan himself. Let that marinate.
No! I did not go nor did I intend to, Did not watch it on the news either. I was only noting that that is a custom of the South as the other things I posted.
Whether I agree with any of you or not why does it matter? It is your life not mine! I don't approve of homosexuality[ God does not either] you may, that is you. I can will have my own opinions, no not all of my opinions and thoughts have verses to back them up! No ,I do not have proper King's English, nor do I worry about it.
You do your thing, I will do mine and we will discuss it on here!
My parents raised me to believe that interracial marriage is wrong , whether it is or not I don't know, I am just raising my girls the way I see fit.
Did I say anything about homosexuality? No.
When you make outrageous claims about something in a public forum, you better be prepared to back them up, otherwise you just look like a fool.
Michael, in you I see a false prophet. Let me explain, you call yourself a man of God, yet over and over you misuse his word, intentonally try to insite hate, bigotry and racism. (Your the one who claimed to agree with the KKK on issues)
Do you officiate at a church? Do you have a flesh and bone live congregation? If so where is it I would find it interesting to come to one of your services and see if maybe you just are not a skilled writer and we are getting the wrong messages from you here. If you do have a church how is it handle if a black or gay person comes in? Do you welcome like Jesus would or would you do so with the contempt and hate you portray here? In essence I guess what I ask is , face to face are you as cocky as you present yourself here?
I did not say you did, but you have attacked my stance on that and you were the one who posted the KKK members pic to another blog.
What people start accepting becomes the norm.
I never stated that God said it was right or wrong, I stated I did not agree with it, there is no biblical views on under age marriage, but I don't agree with it.
Kids having babies in bible times are normal, I don't agree with it.
There are several things that I don't agree or condone or allow my children to do, that are not backed up in the Bible!
The Bible says that every herb and seed are for our enjoyment, is that a excuse to use marijuana, to some it is!
I don't have to have biblical mandate for all my beliefs
I don't like body piercings[except for the ears] or the new hair colors that are not natural or the Gothic look or what kids call country and rock music these days.
I don't like a lot of things that go on with today's society, I gat bashed verbally because I would not go to a HOOTER'S restraunt!
I don't like girl's who reveal to much in public, much less guys pants hanging halfway off of their a**!
I have a lot of things I don't like and can't change, I might have to tolerate them in public but not in my own home or my own family!
All you need to do when you meet Michael is sit back and listen. He'll do the rest.
WONDERWHY: I am the same in public as I am on here, no I do not have a church yet, a interracial couple is always welcome, though I may not agree with it! A gay couple can come and visit also, but expect the Word to be taught] Romans1:27] and other verses that condemns homosexuality, if they can set through it fine, but I doubt it!
The Bible does give reasons and proper ways to ask someone to leave or to kick them out, look and see for yourself!
John 1:2-11
2The same was in the beginning with God.
3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
6There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
7The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
8He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
9That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
10He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
11He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
When I read the words above and how it speaks of "every man" and "all men", I have to wonder what supreme power you have that gives you the right to pass judgment on men based on skin color.
I am not passing judgment on skin color, just my preferences! Let me ask you a question, and anyone else for that matter. Should a church allow practicing homosexuals, cross dressers, and fornicators, and such to remain in the church?
2 Timothy 2:24-26 (King James Version)
24And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,
25In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
26And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.
I am not passing judgment on skin color, just my preferences!
-- Posted by michaelbell on Sun, Jun 13, 2010, at 4:40 PM
Do you reckon Roy Bryant had a preference about young black boys whistling cat calls at his wife as he was throwing him in the Tallahatchie River with a 70 pound cotton gin fan tied around his neck with barbed wire?
Oops, by him i mean Emmett Till of course.
I also find it unbelievable that the Times-Gazette continues to host Michael Bell's blog. You would think that any credible publication would be horrified to affiliate themselves with a racist, homophobic bigot with 8th grade writing skills. It's like giving Archie Bunker his own news column. But I do hope that they let him keep posting his ridiculous opinions. I think it's important for people to see that Michael Bell, and others that support his twisted beliefs, still exist in our society today. They hide their judgemental hatred of others behind bible scriptures. If there is a hell, I think there must be a special room reserved for these hypocrites.
First off Iam not racist, as you percieve.
Second a phobia means fear adI don't fear homosexuals.
Third No I am not tolerant of all beliefs or opinions, though you can have them I don't have to agree with them.So I guess I lay claim to the bigot society.
Fourth I am not going for a Pulitzer prize.
First off Iam not racist, as you percieve.
Second a phobia means fear and I don't fear homosexuals.
Third No I am not tolerant of all beliefs or opinions, though you can have them I don't have to agree with them.So I guess I lay claim to the bigot society.
Fourth I am not going for a Pulitzer prize.
It's ok Michael, have a good rest of the afternoon.
A gay couple can come and visit also, but expect the Word to be taught] Romans1:27] and other verses that condemns homosexuality, if they can set through it fine, but I doubt it---------------
so you would use their presence to make a point by attacking them.............humm that is the kind of preaching that turns many would be converts away thus giving them a feeling of not being welcome in the community of Christ. It is the responsibility church leaders to lead people to Our Lord not to turn them away. You are not the JUDGE of them, it is not up to you to publicly attack them and beat them up with scripture to make a point about a sin you do not like. Would it not be better to bring them to Christ and let HIM put them under conviction, thus changing their hearts to the way his ways? Your way builds walls, it is not for you to judge, condemn or attack if you are the head of a church. The way you brag about how you would make it so they would not be able to sit through the sermon shows that your message is not to glorify God but to make yourself happy and look almighty from the bully pulpit. I have seen many who have been lost because of a preacher who felt he must shove his version of Gods word down the throats of those whom they feel superior to. It is your job to teach the love of GOD, to feed the spirits of those seeking him.
God knows we are all sinners and he will teach us and guide us as HE sees fit. I know that he sure does let me know personally when He is not happy with my decisions. If your going to use the pulpit to avenge your hate towards any section of our society then you are just where you need to be WITHOUT A CHURCH. What will you do about those who are , like you, over weight is not gluttony a sin, perhaps you should present a sermon that over weight people would not be able to sit through? What glory to God is there if you send His people away, and are proud of doing so? You might as well put your white hood on, it would be just as successful in converting the person your sermon is making it "unable to sit through"
Here are a couple verses to get you started......If you are out to expose sin, why not ones you are involved in?
Here are some to start your rant on Gluttons:
Proverbs 23:20--21 (NIV)
20 Do not join those who drink too much wine
or gorge themselves on meat,
21 for drunkards and gluttons become poor,
and drowsiness clothes them in rags.
Proverbs 28:7 (NIV)
7 He who keeps the law is a discerning son,
but a companion of gluttons disgraces his father.
Ti 1:12-13 Even one of their own prophets has said, "Cretans are always liars, evil brutes, lazy gluttons." This testimony is true. Therefore, rebuke them sharply, so that they will be sound in the faith.
I like the last on, will you rebuke over weight people as harshly and gays? How about liars, and adulterer or any of the other sins? We all sin and God does not state that the sin of being gay is any more or less than the others. Could it be that sin is to close to home for you and it is easier to see the faults of others than our own?
Here is a list of what they call the 7 deadly sins, wrath, greed, sloth, pride, lust, envy, and gluttony.
You seem to be committing more than one of those do you not? As do all of us.
The sin I was referring to as closer to home was Gluttony not being gay......
The Bible does not list 7 deadly sins, sin is sin regardless. We all sin yes but we still must preach against it.
It does have scripture about gluttony, right? So address that part of my post, or is that one not a problem in your eyes? Are not the seven listed sins?
I have addressed my weight issue and if you must know am down to 220 which is where I like to be at.
Well Mike you keep avoiding my questions, as always. But I am not surprised.
This is not about your weight it is about your hate and how you hide behind the bible to attack those not as you said "white enough" you hide behind the bible the way the KKK hides behind their hoods.
One other thing it is never right to teach kids Racism, bigotry or hate. The bible is not about those things it is about love for each other and about honoring the Lord.You too have to earn respect, at some point the girls will have the choice to choose by your behavior if you deserve it.
Go back and answer my questions if you can, if not save the BS.
Remember God hated Esau and loved Jacob, which means to love less so if it is wrong to love my race over another then so be it. My girls are not taught hate, just what I believe to be right or wrong. When they become grown then they will make their own choices and either be rewarded or punished for them.
So, if your children become grown, and decide that they want to marry and race children with a man who is not white or is not a christian, you would be okay with that? Or would they be "punished" for it?
I have to go back to one of the earlier comments that someone made about T-G allowing this kind of hatred posted. I totally agree that if someone has a blog on a company website, they would not be allowed to preach about so much hatred.
The Christian part is a have to. I am sure in time the race issue if they chose another might would work itself out. Before you ask , homosexuality will not be tolerated!And I can back that up with scripture.
What if they choose date a heavy person who is guilty of gluttony? Or a person who is greedy, and we all know teenage boys are tempted constantly with lust, perhaps the boy will not be totally truthful, or even envious of the boy that dated her before him? By your words on sin you would have to turn these boys away too, after all sin is sin..... And you have pointed out you must speak out against it. Why do you only choose the one sin to attack if a sin is a sin why ignore all the others?
First of my daughters are at least 4 to 5 years from dating. Second both sides of the family are equally yoked in beliefs so they should not wander too far from the belief we have instilled in them. Anything can be forgiven except for the unpardonable sin.
I would have issues even with some Christian groups whose youth would ask my daughters out.
So maybe I am not so bigoted after all.
Generally you date people of your own beliefs and ideals anyway.
The Bible does not specifically discuss interracial marriage. It does,however,show how Jehovah God views humankind and it provides guiding principles for those considering marriage.
Superiority of race is nowhere taught or implied in the Bible. Jehovah God accepts as his approved servants people out of all races, without discrimination.The Bible tells us ......"[God] made out of one man every nation of men, to dwell upon the entire surface of the earth, and he decreed the appointed times and the set limits of the dwelling of men, for them to seek God, if they might grope for him and really find him." (Acts 17:26, 27) "God is not partial, but in every nation the man that fears him and works righteousness is acceptable to him."--Acts 10:34, 35.
So, the Bible nowhere implies that racial differences in themselves have anything to do with the properness of marriage. The Bible, does however,recommend marriage only for those "past the bloom of youth." (1 Corinthians 7:36) This would rule out dating while a person is still very young. Following this advice may not be easy, but it will certainly "remove vexation from your heart, and ward off calamity from your flesh" if you do not date until you are old enough to marry.--Ecclesiastes 11:10.--------------------------------------------
The religious organizations of Christendom have turned their backs on God's Word and have"watered down"God's commandments and teachings, But it is our responsibility to check out ALL teachings and make sure of where they originate .......God's truths are in his word,
1 Thessalonians 5:21, which reads: "Make sure of all things; hold fast to what is right."
Acts 17:11....... carefully examining the Scriptures daily as to whether these things were so.
there are sufficient scriptures to settle any controversy on any subject such as baptism, the congregation of God, earth and its destiny,GOD"S KINGDOM , healing, Jehovah, judgment days, law, ransom, religion, return of Christ, Sabbath, soul, spirit, superior authorities, tithing and speaking in tongues,to name a few
anything we want to know about , we should look to his Word in order to determine God's mind upon the matter and to "let God be found true, .....................".--Rom. 3:4, NW.
. In this way you let God speak to you on the subject through his own Word and thus you let him have the deciding say-so. After all , it IS GOD"S way of thinking we should follow , not our own . RIGHT ?
In loving counsel, Jehovah says: "Do not come to be among heavy drinkers of wine, among those who are gluttonous eaters of flesh. For a drunkard and a glutton will come to poverty." (Prov. 23:20, 21)
not sure if this is what's being referred too in the mention of 7 deadly sins but these are good guidelines for us to follow
----------------"Now the works of the flesh are manifest, and they are fornication, uncleanness, loose conduct, idolatry, practice of spiritism, enmities, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, contentions, divisions, sects, envies, drunken bouts, revelries, and things like these. As to these things I am forewarning you, the same way as I did forewarn you, that those who practice such things will not inherit God's kingdom.
"On the other hand, the fruitage of the spirit is love, joy, peace, long-suffering, kindness, goodness, faith, mildness, self-control. Against such things there is no law."--Galatians 5:16-23; note also 1 Timothy 1:8-11.
Quite a list of opposites, is it not? Certainly those who are producing the fruitage of God's spirit are not practicing the things called "the works of the flesh." They are looking forward to God's kingdom with a sincere desire to inherit its blessings.
Matthew 7:15-20 (King James Version)
15Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 17Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
by your fruits, we know you. you praise your kkk brothers, but claim to opppose them. you spew forth racist diatribe, but deny you are a racist. you rail against homosexuals, yet deny that you are a homophobe. your fruits are writings of hate & bigotry. the bible says; "a good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree cannot bring forth good fruit." we all recognize michaelbell by his fruits.
the question i have is in regard to the times-gazette. if they had open forums, i would object to any attempt to shut off michaelbell's hate filled diatribes. however, the t-g has seen fit to eliminate all public comment on their news stories. and they have seen fit to banish bloggers whose commentary they find offensive. i am left to wonder if the continued provision of a platform for racist, homophobic rants does not indicate a tacit support for those views by the times gazette?
Allow me to put in 2 cents worth. I read the article and found it enjoyable and reasonab;y accurate as to southern life and culture. What the writer who spoke on mixed mariages was trying to say (I believe) is he like myself, believes in the Biblical principle if seperation.
There is a difference between segregation and seperation; segregation is an enforced seperation, not one of choice. This segregation often gives advantage to one group over another, much as we have toady where blacks, hispanics and homosexuals get special laws and privilages not afforded to others.This is equality BY the law and not equality BEFORE the law.
Seperation is a Biblical principle found throughout from Old to New Testament, seperation is voluntary and in this case not for the reasons of hate but rather, obedience to scripture. It is my hope readers will find the following helpful:
30 Biblical Reasons for Seperatism
1. God wills all races to be as He made them. Any violation of God's original purpose manifests insubordination to Him. (Acts 17:26, Rom. 9:19-24)
2. God made everything to reproduce "after his own kind" (Gen 1:11-12, 6:20, 7:14). Kind means type and color. He would have kept them all alike to begin with had he intended physical equality, it would have made it easy.
3. God originally determined the bounds of the habitations of nations, so they would be saved. (17:26, Gen.10:5,32, 11:8, Dt. 32:8)
4. Miscongenation means the mixture of the races, especially the black and white races, or those of outstanding type, or color. The Bible even goes farther than this. It is against different branches of the same stock intermarrying such as Jews marrying other descendants of Abraham ( Ezra 9-10, Neh. 9-13, Jer 50:37, Ezek 30:5)
5. Abraham forbade Eliezer to take a wife for Isaac of canaanites ( Gen. 24:1-4). God was so pleased with this that He directed whom to get ( Gen. 24:7, 12-67)
6. Isaac forbade Jacob to take a wife of the canaanites ( Gen. 27:46-28:7)
7. Abraham sent all his sons of the concubines, and even of his second wife, far away from Isaac so their descendants would not mix (Gen. 25:1-6)
8. Esau disobeying this law brought the final break between him and his father after lifelong companionship with him ( Gen 25:28, 26:34-35, 27:46, 28:8-9)
9. The two branches of Isaac remained seperated forever ( Gen 36, 46:8-26)
10. Ishmael and Isaac's descendants remained seperated forever ( Gen 25:12-23, 1 Chr 1:29)
11. Jacobs sons destroyed a whole city to maintain seperated (Gen 34)
12. God forbad intermarraige between Israel and all other nations ( Ex 34:12-16, Dt 7:3-6)
13. Joshua forbad the same thing on sentance of death ( Josh 23:12-13)
14. God cursed angels for leaving their own "first estate" and "their own habitation" to marry the daughters of men (Gen 6:1-4, 2 Pet 2:4, Jude 6,7)
15. Miscogenation caused Israel to be cursed ( Judges 3:6-7, Num 25:1-8). Note that Phinehas' act was righteous ( Ps 106:30)
16. This was Solomon's sin ( 1 King 11)
17. This was the sin of Judahites returning from Babylon ( Ezra 9:1-10:2, 10-18, 44, Neh. 13:1-30)
18. God commanded Israel to be seperated ( Lev 20:24, Num 23:9, 1 King 8:53)
19. Israelites recognized as a seperate people in all ages because of God's choice and command ( Matt 10:6, John 1:11). Equal rights in the gospel gives no right to break this eternal law
20. Seperation between Israelites and all other nations to remain in all eternity ( Is 2:2-4,Ezek 37, 47:13-48, Zech 14:16-21, Matt 19:28, Lk 1:32-33, Rev 7:1-8, 14:1-5)
21. All nations will remain seperated from one another in their own parts of the earth forever ( Acts 17:26, Gen 10:5, 32, 11:8-9, Dt 32:8, Dan 7:13-14, Rev 11:15, 21:24)
22. Certain people in Israel were not even to worship with others ( Dt 23:1-3, Ezra 10:8, Neh 9:2, 10:28, 13:3)
23. Even in heaven certain groups will not be allowed to worship together ( Rev 7:7-17, 14:1-5, 15:2-5)
24. Seperation in the O.T. was so strong that an ox and an ass could not be worked together ( Dt 22:10)
25. Miscogenation caused disunity among God's people ( Num 12)
26. Stock was forbidden to be bred with other kinds ( Lev 19:19)
27. Sowing mixed seed in the same field was unlawful ( Lev 19:19)
28. Different seeds were forbidden to be planted in the same vineyards ( Dt 22:9)
29. Wearing garments of mixed fabrics forbidden ( Dt 22:11, Lev 19:19)
30. Christians and certain other people of a like race are to be seperated based upon behavior ( Mt 18:15-17, 1 Cor 5:9-13, 6:15, 2 Cor 6:14-18, Eph 5:11, 2 Thess 3:6-16, 1 Tim 6:5, 2 Tim 3:5).