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Fundraising Scandal - Much Ado About NothingPosted Friday, August 31, 2007, at 10:11 AM
Looks like Republicans have really found a headline making scandal to be proud of. This Norman Hsu fund raising scandal is such a non story that the only place I heard about it was on local talk radio and buried deep in Yahoo. I am sure it is reported in many other places, but really no one cares about this story. What agitates me is that no matter what ails the Dems, you can always count on the right wing's radio cronys to turn into something far greater than it actually is. I mean really, do you believe for one second that any of the Democrats knew that Norman Hsu was a wanted felon? It's not like Clinton or Obama took bribes from this man to help cover up his past, change laws, or gain contracts (Abramoff ring a bell?). Even more funny is the fact that one radio host (there is probably more) thinks that it is a strange coincidence that the Senator Craig story was reported at the same time as the Hsu story. Give me a break. Even if the Larry Craig story hadn't come out at the same time, this fund raising story would still be a weak ploy by a party that is so plagued with headline making scandals that they will settle for whatever they can get. As a side note I would like to mention that no candidate, Republican or Democrat, has really made me believe that better days are ahead.
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Perhap there is something. Perhaps not. Here's more:
http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/a...
Considering the Clinton's problems with fund raising and the Communist Chinese during Bill's administration, this bears some watching, IMHO.
Are you kidding me? Clinton and his wife are some of the biggest crooks to ever share the White House. Neither one of them have an ounce of integrity between them. Maybe Hsu's felony warrant was in a box under Hillary's bed like the other records no one could find during one of their many scandals. It is buried so deep Mr. Evans beacause the mainstream media is largely made up of liberals. If this was a Republican politician that took this money you wouldn't have trouble finding it. Talk shows are the only venue to get the word out for conservatives for the most part and now Democrats are trying their best to squash that. Liberals have about ruined this country with their "entitlements" to everything from illegal aliens to trees and spotted owls. Our founding fathers must be rolling over in their graves everytime we re-write the history books, make it impossible to have the Ten Commandments posted in public buildings or burn our flag. The inmates are running the asylum and it their name is LIBERALISM.
I see that the origin of the money is the key here, but receiving money from a crook does not necessarily make the receiver a crook. I don't believe for one second that any of the Democrats involved knew that this guy was a fugitive. Also since Hsu is an American the money that he donated was done so legally in the politicians eyes. It is impossible to police the source of every campaign dollar and no one would have even mentioned Hsu had he not been a wanted felon. Ultimately we must find a way to remove the money from our political system or we may find ourselves being sold to the Chinese or big business.
Just as interesting to me is the fact that a felon like Hsu can leave the country and re-enter while law enforcement is totally oblivious. Are law enforcement agencies completely confused about how to employ computer technology?
Ah, yes, those nasty liberals. So much better than those self righteous Conservatives. So you say Clinton and wife are crooks, well have you even looked at the Bush Administration?
and I agree with Mr. Evans, receiving money from a crook doesn't make you a crook and I too would like to know how a felon can just come and go trhough our so called "tightened borders" and not even raise a red flag. Bush is doing a bang up job on securing our nation.
I am not defending any past dealings of Bill or Hillary Clinton. I am pointing out that this so called scandal is attempting to make these Democrats look like they have some how knowingly aided a wanted felon. As for the entitlements I believe Huey Long said it best:
"I wonder if any of you people who are listening to me were ever at a barbecue! We used to go there--sometimes 1,000 people or more. If there were 1,000 people, we would put enough meat and bread and everything else on the table for 1,000 people. Then everybody would be called and everyone would eat all they wanted. But suppose at one of these barbecues for 1,000 people that one man took 90 percent of the food and ran off with it and ate until he got sick and let the balance rot. Then 999 people would have only enough for 100 to eat and there would be many to starve because of the greed of just one person for something he couldn't eat himself. Well, ladies and gentlemen, America all the people of America, have been invited to a barbecue. God invited us all to come and eat and drink all we wanted. He smiled on our land we grew crops of plenty to eat and wear. He showed us in the earth the iron and other things to make everything we wanted. he unfolded to us the secrets of science so that our work might be easy. God called: "Come to my feast." Then what happened? Rockefeller, Morgan, and their crowd stepped up and took enough for 120 million people and left only enough for 5 million for all the other 125 million to eat. And so many million must go hungry and without these good things God gave us unless we call on them to put some of it back."
I also suggest this excerpt from Every Man A King: The Autobiography of Huey P. Long. http://www.ssa.gov/history/huey.html
Especially note the section at the bottom titled "HIS POLITICAL AGENDA AS A SENATOR" near the bottom.
By the way, this is just breaking:
"REDWOOD CITY, Calif. -- A top Democratic fundraiser wanted as a fugitive in California turned himself in Friday to face a grand theft charge.
A judge in San Mateo County Superior Court ordered Norman Hsu handcuffed and held on $2 million bond. A bail hearing was scheduled for Sept. 5, at which the judge will consider reducing his bail to $1 million.
Hsu appeared in court here Friday following reports that he had skipped his sentencing on a 1991 grand theft charge. In the ensuing years, he became a top donor to numerous Democratic candidates, including presidential contenders Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama."
He's on the run for 16 years, donating all that money, and nobody had a clue, right? But as soon as it becomes public that his donations involve Hillary, he turns himself in.
Nathan, some may question the timing of the Craig thing, but I really have to question the timing of a 16 year federal fugitive turning himself in just when it becomes public that her highness is somehow involved...
And interestingly enough, Mr. Hsu's name turns up here:
http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/1998_rpt...
I really have to question the timing of a 16 year federal fugitive turning himself in just when it becomes public that her highness is somehow involved...
-- Posted by Brian Mosely on Fri, Aug 31, 2007, at 12:50 PM
His whereabouts was brought to the attention of law enforcement by the media. That makes him one one of the most wanted men in America. Pretty simple really. :)
So what if Norman and Ted donated crooked money to the Democrats. It still does not prove that any politician (past or present) knew about the donors criminal behavior.
And as a matter of fact I wouldn't put it past the Republicans to give money to a crook like Hsu just for the purpose of donating it to the Democrats then later expose Hsu as a crook. I just blew your mind! JK :p
So what, eh? I'm doing a liitle digging and finding some interesting links. For example: according to the LA Times -
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-na-hs...
"Hsu's Washington-based attorney, E. Lawrence Barcella Jr., said Hsu was in Hong Kong from 1992 to 1996. Barcella said Hsu did not remember pleading to a criminal charge that included jail time and thought he had agreed to a settlement with creditors."
How can you NOT remember something that could put you in federal prison? PLEase....
Well, guess what. It turns out that Barcella was also the attorney for Ernest Green, one of the guys convicted in the 1996 fundraising scandals with China. Green helped get a visa for Chinese arms merchant Wang Jun, the guy that was caught attending a coffee fundraiser with Bill Clinton in the White House residence quarters in February 1996 with Chinese spy Charlie Trie.
Here's the kicker quote from the LA Times:
"This isn't Osama bin Laden or some drug kingpin," Kerrey said. "What he's done is he's volunteered to help people raise money for their campaigns. That doesn't make him either unique or bad."
Riiiight, just like Jack Abramoff, huh?.
Yeah, Nathan, I'm shocked, SHOCKED to hear that gambling is going on at Rick's...
Not to worry Mr. Hsu, President Hillary will follow in her husbands footsteps and pardon you............
By the way, is that considered aiding or abetting a felon?
The Democrats (the Clintons) getting campaign funds from the Chinese in 1996 has what to do with Hsu? It is probable that the money coming in from Hsu is from the Asians just like in 1996. That doesn't mean that Hillary or Obama knew about it personally. The Clintons prefer the Chinese and the Bushs prefer the Saudis, but they're all the same to me.
Pretty clever of those mean old Republicans to disguise themselves as Asians just to set up Hillbama.
Pretty clever of those mean old Republicans to disguise themselves as Asians just to set up Hillbama.
-- Posted by rebel4ever37 on Fri, Aug 31, 2007, at 2:09 PM
I was only kidding about that. You can consider me an independent. In this case I simply believe that none of these Democrats were party to any wrong doing. It's not like they put the money in their freezer. :)
Pretty clever of those mean old Republicans to disguise themselves as Asians just to set up a democratic candidate!
Nope, democrats just stuff national secrets in their pants to protect their president and his princess!
I'll let you guys debate this. One last thought though -- isn't it amazing that the information I came up with is available so quickly, yet it seems to never come up on the main stream media's radar screen? The pattern of this mess is the same as the China scandal of the 90's.
You would think that someone with the NYT, LAT, Wash Post, or others would have noticed the links I posted above, found after 5 minutes of searching all by myself.
and the republicans and your president Bush yell "executive privilege" everytime we want to know what is in certain documents. Never in the history of the White House have all the documents been so secure and secretive. We, the people, are told nothing except a load of crap while they hide behind their "privilege."
And as a matter of fact I wouldn't put it past the Republicans to give money to a crook like Hsu just for the purpose of donating it to the Democrats then later expose Hsu as a crook. I just blew your mind! JK :p
-- Posted by nathan.evans on Fri, Aug 31, 2007, at 1:15 PM
LOVE THIS COMMENT, I WOULD PUT IT PAST THEM EITHER :)
Pretty clever of those mean old Republicans to disguise themselves as Asians just to set up a democratic candidate!
-- Posted by rebel4ever37 on Fri, Aug 31, 2007, at 2:18 PM
I am sure that the $23,000 Hillary received from Hsu would have went a long way. Before I was just kidding but the more I think about it, it would be possible for the Republicans to bring in a Chinese guy, give him $50,000 and tell him to start donating money to the Democrats. He is a wanted felon, even better. What better way to bring up a scandal from 1996 than to recreate a mini version of it in 2007. I wouldn't put this in the realm of possible except... the amount of money he donated is basically pocket change for these guys. Had he been giving the Democrats millions of dollars then there would be a scandal, probably involving Asia. A couple of thousand dollars, nah no story here. I find all of this odd and I still think it is a non-story.
It was a non-story, but now the Republicans will take it and run with it. I now know that I can expect 24 hour coverage on said "scandal" on CNN, FOX, and MSNBC, dang, they may even interrupt local programming to inform me of this.
And does it stike anyone as odd that he turns himself in AFTER he donates the money. Seems just a tad bit coincidental.
If this were the first time that the Clintons had been involved in receiving money from questionable sources or means this would be a non-issue. It is not about the amount of money even though I would contend that a thief stealing one dollar is still as bad as one that gets a lot more. This goes to the bigger issue of ethics and credibility. I see several posts wondering how a felon can come and go as he pleases because Mr. Bush just can't seem to plug all of the holes in our security. How the hell does this same felon get past all of the security set up for the Clintons and stuff their pockets with all of that Republican planted money? Could it be that Billary's secret service agents and body guards are gasp...Republicans!!!!!!!
There really is no story here. Hsu gave them less money than any one of them could have made in five minutes at a fund raising dinner. None of these politicians would have taken his money had they known he was a felon. It's just that simple.
So if I get a DUI in 1996 and get hit by a drunk driver in 2007 I am just as guilty?
I can tell you aren't a fan of Democrats (especially Bill and Hilary) but if you want to point out all the "questionable soursces" from which they receive money, then let's do it to the Republicans too.
and I can donate to The Presidential Campaign from the comfort of my home computer, I don't have to get past secret service agents and bodyguards, I can even mail them a check if I so chose to. So ANYONE is able to donate whether they are crooks or not. I am not in anyway speaking for Mr. Evans, but I think all he was trying to say was "Isn't it possible that the Republicans set it up?" Which is a logical question.
Only if you are as drunk as the other driver.
If this were the first time that the Clintons had been involved in receiving money from questionable sources or means this would be a non-issue.
-- Posted by rebel4ever37 on Fri, Aug 31, 2007, at 2:56 PM
So if I get a DUI in 1996 and get hit by a drunk driver in 2007 I am just as guilty?
-- Posted by nathan.evans on Fri, Aug 31, 2007, at 3:00 PM
Only if you are as drunk as the other driver.
-- Posted by rebel4ever37 on Fri, Aug 31, 2007, at 3:06 PM
But by your previous logic you stated that the new case of improper fund raising has to be just as bad as the old case simply by them both being questionable. Or maybe it is because they both involve Asians or perhaps even money. Obviously if I was caught driving drunk and years later I was hit by a drunk they would have to be treated the same way simply because of the fact that alcohol was involved whether I was the one drinking or not.
I am not a fan of politicians in general. There is no doubt in my mind that a very high percentage of them on both sides of the aisle utilize questionable tactics to get what they want and to heck with the people that elected them. This guy didn't donate by computer, he attended a function and had photo ops with some of the people present. The Clintons have a well documented history of questionable real estate dealings,perjury, abuse of authority and resources in the name of chasing women, and talking out of both sides of their mouth-the list is endless so I will stop here. I guess none of us should be too surprised since both Clintons' are lawyers. I am not surprised that a man of such questionable character would align himself with those with similar qualities. Was the police officer involved in the incident with Senator Craig a plant by the Demoncrats to discredit him before his re-election? My point is that it is just this kind of BS that we are teaching our kids. Get caught at something- hey just point your finger in every direction you can and claim that you are a victim. Get over it.
Negative Mr. Evans. My logic is actually pretty simple. Two wrongs will never make a right no matter how you may want to spin it.
I am not a fan of politicians in general. There is no doubt in my mind that a very high percentage of them on both sides of the aisle utilize questionable tactics to get what they want and to heck with the people that elected them. This guy didn't donate by computer, he attended a function and had photo ops with some of the people present. The Clintons have a well documented history of questionable real estate dealings,perjury, abuse of authority and resources in the name of chasing women, and talking out of both sides of their mouth-the list is endless so I will stop here. I guess none of us should be too surprised since both Clintons' are lawyers. I am not surprised that a man of such questionable character would align himself with those with similar qualities. Was the police officer involved in the incident with Senator Craig a plant by the Demoncrats to discredit him before his re-election? My point is that it is just this kind of BS that we are teaching our kids. Get caught at something- hey just point your finger in every direction you can and claim that you are a victim. Get over it.
-- Posted by rebel4ever37 on Fri, Aug 31, 2007, at 3:23 PM
You are absolutely correct on almost all points here. It is not in the realm of possible that the police officer in the Craig case was working for the Democrats because who would predict that Craig would have taken the bait. You can certainly bet money that the Democrats would take Hsu's money though (virtually no questions asked even). Ultimately I would support the Republicans (I am pro life, pro states rights, pro border control) but they don't do what they say they are gonna do. They get the power and all they want to do is globalize our economy, preach free trade, and put their wallets before their constituents. I don't like Democrats either though (with a few exceptions, Jim Cooper being one). I will vote for the candidate that can get away from the script and speak the truth. We will always disagree, but a good politician will seek the common ground, put his voters first, and find what works.
You sit and slander the Clinton's (and I am in no way defending any of their actions in the past) I just don't see why you can't post a comment on all the dirty deeds committed in the past years with Mr. Bush and his cronies.
I would, but I don't have a free week to type in all the illegal things they have been involved in.
Like Nathan said, this is a non issue. It was a small amount of money. Let's just go and see where all the money is coming from that the other candidates, both parties, are receiving and then it will be a fair conversation.
Negative Mr. Evans. My logic is actually pretty simple. Two wrongs will never make a right no matter how you may want to spin it.
-- Posted by rebel4ever37 on Fri, Aug 31, 2007, at 3:26 PM
What did she do wrong? This guy gives Hillary Clinton $23,000 and because he is a criminal it is somehow her problem. I spun nothing and two wrongs does not make a right is not what I read at all in your posts.
I have ignored your posts for the most part dc because they have very little merit or simply echo other people. But in this instance I suggest that you look up the word slander. I have stated nothing about the Clintons that is not well documented. It is you that had better be very careful who you slander. If this post was about the Republicans dirty deeds and there have been plenty, I would have gladly weighed in on the issue. I repeat, quit pointing fingers in every direction to draw away from the issue at hand.
"Had he been giving the Democrats millions of dollars then there would be a scandal, probably involving Asia. A couple of thousand dollars, nah no story here. I find all of this odd and I still think it is a non-story."
http://suitablyflip.blogs.com/suitably_f...
Oh, really?
Negative Mr. Evans. My logic is actually pretty simple. Two wrongs will never make a right no matter how you may want to spin it.
-- Posted by rebel4ever37 on Fri, Aug 31, 2007, at 3:26 PM
What did she do wrong? This guy gives Hillary Clinton $23,000 and because he is a criminal it is somehow her problem. I spun nothing and two wrongs does not make a right is not what I read at all in your posts.
-- Posted by nathan.evans on Fri, Aug 31, 2007, at 3:42 PM
I am simply saying that it is the very nature of the Clinton's dubious reputations that any resonably curious person would question ethically any thing that they are involved in that is borderline illegal. You did spin sir when you placed the blame on a conspiracy. Whether under the guise of jest or not, you steered the focus away from Billary onto someone else. We support and believe in many issues. Too bad taking responsibilty for one's actions does not appear to be one of them.
I will not say anything else about this rebel4ever37 and I think we all are in agreement that we need some fresh leadership willing to put America first.
You got me on that lost one Brian. What is Hsu's motive though? What goal does he need to accomplish through the Democrats?
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It may not be his goals, but of those he represents.
Don't think he had any motive except to donate money to people whose beliefs are most closely aligned with his. His being a crook does not make Hillary one too. It is just a scary thought that he felt that his ideology was in synch with hers. It is the message that she and Mr. Clinton have presented to the American public with all of their shenanigans-it is ok to break the law or scam people as long as you can get away with it right???
Nathan,
I just want to say that you have impressed me tremendously on your comments.
You seem to have a good head on your shoulders and have nice thought out comments.
Oh and I just heard that Hilary is going to be turning over the contributions from Hsu to charity. Wonder if this will be reported or just the "scandolous" parts.
"It is you that had better be very careful who you slander."
Rebel4ever37
Exactly WHO have I slandered and is that a threat?
Nathan,
I just want to say that you have impressed me tremendously on your comments.
You seem to have a good head on your shoulders and have nice thought out comments.
Oh and I just heard that Hilary is going to be turning over the contributions from Hsu to charity. Wonder if this will be reported or just the "scandolous" parts.
-- Posted by dc_0725 on Fri, Aug 31, 2007, at 4:57 PM
Thank you for the unexpected complement dc_0725. It is very much appreciated. I must be cautious here on this public record though or I may find myself being spit on at the supermarket. :/
Agreed... Nathan good job, and to others on pointing out the special interest campaign contributions amongst BOTH parties.
You know, it is really odd that they have a record of all these contributions since 2004, yet he is a fugitive on the run.
So it seems like a huge set-up!
"Clinton and his wife are some of the biggest crooks to ever share the White House. Neither one of them have an ounce of integrity between them. Maybe Hsu's felony warrant was in a box under Hillary's bed like the other records no one could find during one of their many scandals."
-So what do Bush and Cheney have? Failed policy, secrecy, and executive privilege? Not to mention every major political advisor and/or architect deserting the administration because they want to get out, so they can begin working on the next crooked administration...
-So where are the records of testimony of national intelligence, and why did YOUR president want those meetings to be "off the record", if he's so honest and has nothing to hide, then why not let the RECORD be known.
"It is buried so deep Mr. Evans beacause the mainstream media is largely made up of liberals."- Oh really, So I am sure O'Reilly/FOX news, ABC, NBC, and CBS, are all liberals now. That's insane. Those news agencies are owned by WHAT? CORPORATIONS!!!! And who lets corporations rape consumers REPUBLICANS!!! Democrats love to tax, so corporations wouldn't normally donate to someone who takes more of their money. Moot point!!!
"Liberals have about ruined this country with their "entitlements" to everything from illegal aliens to trees and spotted owls.....The inmates are running the asylum and it their name is LIBERALISM."
- You know, that term "liberalism" was used by Bush in 2004 in order to get re-elected. Since when did LIBERTY become a bad thing? Liberal does not mean TAXES, GAYS, ILLEGAL ALIENS, AND TREE HUGGERS or any of those negative connatations Bush would have you think... Liberalism means: individual rights, freedom of thought and speech, transparent system of government, and last but not least...LIMITATIONS ON THE POWER OF GOVERNMENT, oh yeah that's right.... Bush would have you think Democrats want control over everything, but my friend The Patriot Act and executive privilege give HIM control over everything...May I ask, who is ONE PERSON bush has ANSWERED TO? *scratches head* ... hmm... NOBODY!!!
"Our founding fathers must be rolling over in their graves everytime we re-write the history books, make it impossible to have the Ten Commandments posted in public buildings"
-Yeah, they must be just a rolling. The history books don't get re-written, they just get added to... RIGHT? There will be a LOT to add starting in January 2009. And I don't remember the Constitution saying anything about hanging the TEN COMMANDMENTS IN PUBLIC BUILDING!!!! It says "Freedom FROM religion" not "Freedom OF religion...."
So I just read most of this blog, and ALL I HAVE TO SAY IS:
www.followthemoney.org
www.moneyline.cq.com
www.opensecrets.org
I have used all three of those unbiased, non subjective web sites to write three separate research papers.
NOTE: BOTH parties get donations from TONS of crooks... Does anyone remeber that company named ENRON? or ARTHUR ANDERSON? I bet Bush and his cronies do!
Pharmacuetical Donations: http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/in...
Oil and Gas donations: http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/in...
Insurance Donations: http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/in...
Tobacco Donations: http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/in...
Casinos/Gambling Donations: (about even) http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/in...
Health professionals Donations: http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/in...
Computers/Internet Co. Donations: http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/in...
Ok, most of the complaints I hear from just any given American, not based on their political backgrounds are: HIGH GAS PRICES, HIGH PRESCRIPTION DRUG CHARGES, INCREASING AND UNRELIABLE INSURANCE RATES, POOR HEALTHCARE COVERAGE, AND SELLING TOBACCO TO UNDERAGE KIDS...
Hmm, the irony of who gets the most donations from whom and the typical people who complain about life not being fair.
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darrick_04
BRAVO..
I have avoided this thread because it makes me sick to hear people standing up for the Bush administration and trying to turn petty things into something big in order to try and make the Republican party look innocent.
So I just read most of this blog, and ALL I HAVE TO SAY IS:
www.followthemoney.org
www.moneyline.cq.com
www.opensecrets.org
I have used all three of those unbiased, non subjective web sites to write three separate research papers.
NOTE: BOTH parties get donations from TONS of crooks... Does anyone remeber that company named ENRON? or ARTHUR ANDERSON? I bet Bush and his cronies do!
-- Posted by darrick_04 on Fri, Aug 31, 2007, at 11:25 PM
Very interesting links darrick_04. Thank you for posting them. Looks like the Republicans are having some fund raising issues.
Thanks Nathan, I just tried to point out the overwhelming hypocrisy in fundraising complaints.
Democrats received some money from a single crook who has no influence on major legislation. Whereas billion dollar businesses like Oil, Gas, Prescription Drugs, Healthcare, and the Internet (the things that effect everyone, REGARDLESS of their political affiliation) donate to the Republicans.
I complain about gas prices, drug costs, increasing insurance rates, lack of efficient and prompt healthcare... But I also don't vote for congressmen who receive bribes in conjuction with letting those companies monopolize operations!
How many budget surpluses have we seen in the last 12 years in our country? Does anyone know? I can give you a small hint: ONE was by George Bush... And he inherited that from Clinton. Talk about knowing how to handle those funds and put them to good use!!
I guess the rebel has retreated...
The rebel has not retreated nascarnut-he simply refuses to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent.
WOW rebel, then I guess you aren't going to engage in a battle with yourself then huh?
I have ignored your posts for the most part dc because they have very little merit or simply echo other people. That has not changed. Go back to your cartoons and water pipe.
You can ignore the posts all you want to. The fact is, the numbers speak for themselves. The websites that brought forth all those figures are non-partisan, unbiased, black & white numbers.
You can't argue with that, THAT is why you haven't had anything to say.
You echo the Bush administration and all the people who think LIBERAL is a bad thing. Define LIBERAL. Define Conservative. Tell me which is the best party that deals with CHANGE! Hint: Conservative means to STAY THE SAME, not CHANGE, or SLOW the process of ADVANCING... You know, kinda like the Southerners, who arrogantly thought they could win the war.
That's what dangerous Conservatism gets you. A failed policy with a failed group of aristocrats in charge!
Try thinking about the numbers from a pure spectator's perspective. And apply the things that affect your loves ones directly (gas prices, medicine, doctor bills, insurance, etc...) Then stop placing blame for the party who is actually trying to pay for what they buy, instead of borrow until there is nothing left.
"Unarmed opponents"... Kinda like the Iraqi's were until we sold them everything they have. In fact, kinda like every nation or people who have rebelled against the U.S. and their neighboring terrotories, after our lovely CIA helped bring fascist regimes and unpleasant dictators to power, and stocked once 'unarmed opponents' with a large stock pile of ferrocious and deadly weapons. Do you even remember who shook Saddam's hand in 1983, when we signed the nukes deal with him? Donald Rumsfield.
Spew forth some facts instead of satire and fantasy land thinking.
Love your figurative speaking!
I have ignored your posts for the most part dc because they have very little merit or simply echo other people
Posted by rebel4ever37 on Fri, Aug 31, 2007, at 3:50 PM
and then again:
I have ignored your posts for the most part dc because they have very little merit or simply echo other people.
-- Posted by rebel4ever37 on Mon, Sep 3, 2007, at 8:41 PM
WHO IS THE FREAKING ECHO???
and yeah, don't do the water pipes, whatever that is, I an guessing some kind of drug reference. Nice childish comeback, does your mommy know you are up this late?
I was thinking it was something like the RED NECK version of 'Is I smartr then a 5th gradder?'
water pipes? I thought he was asking for a plumber..lol
ECHO ECHO!!!! lmao, that's hilarious someone used the exact same post and calls DC an echo!!
That kinda reminds me of the Republicans calling Democrats/Liberals every name in the book and voting for anti-gay marriage, and what not, then having sex with young boys, making sexual references in email and signalling for sex in public references with OTHER MEN.
ECHO anybody? It seems to be rampant!
CARTOONS AND WATER PIPES, what a classic comeback! Still laughing over that one.
I'd still rather watch cartoons and play with water pipes if it came down to that, or voting another wealthy, thief, and arrogant... skull and bones member into office.
So rebel.... has the water pipe got your fingers???
I still don't know what a water pipe is lol....but apparently you use it while watching cartoons. Or atleast Rebel does.
UPDATE:
REDWOOD CITY, Calif. (AP) - Disgraced Democratic fundraiser Norman Hsu was a wanted man again after he failed to show up for a court date Wednesday and a judge issued a new warrant for his arrest.
Hsu, whose criminal past has roiled the campaigns of top presidential candidates, was scheduled to ask a judge to cut in half the $2 million bail he posted last week when he turned himself in after spending 15 years on the lam from a felony theft conviction.
Instead, San Mateo Superior Court Judge Robert Foiles ordered Hsu's bail forfeited to the county and issued a new arrest warrant. If Hsu is arrested again, he will be jailed without bail this time.
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=...
Ok... Too bad he can't get commuted like Scooter Libby
How about Melvin J. Reynolds - Democratic Congressman from Illinois - bank fraud and obstruction of justice, Dorothy Rivers - lead official in Jesse Jackson's Rainbow/PUSH Coalition, plead guilty to theft of 1.2 million dollars in federal grant money, William Arthur Borders Jr. (Conspiracy to corruptly solicit and accept money in return for influencing the official acts of a federal district court judge (Alcee L. Hastings), and to defraud the United States in connection with the performance of lawful government functions; corruptly influencing, obstructing, impeding and endeavoring to influence, obstruct and impede the due administration of justice, and aiding and abetting therein; traveling interstate with intent to commit bribery), Roger Clinton, Jr. (half-brother of President Bill Clinton, Dan Rostenkowski - Former Democratic Congressman convicted in the Congressional Post Office Scandal?
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WASHINGTON (AP) - Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's presidential campaign said Monday it will return $850,000 in donations raised by Democratic fundraiser Norman Hsu, who is under federal investigation for allegedly violating election laws.
Clinton, D-N.Y., previously had planned only to give to charity $23,000 she received from Hsu for her presidential and senatorial campaigns and to her political action committee, HillPac.
The FBI is investigating whether Hsu paid so-called straw donors to send campaign contributions to Clinton and other candidates, a law enforcement official said Monday.
"In light of recent events and allegations that Mr. Norman Hsu engaged in an illegal investment scheme, we have decided out of an abundance of caution to return the money he raised for our campaign," Clinton spokesman Howard Wolfson said in a statement Monday night. "An estimated 260 donors this week will receive refunds totaling approximately $850,000 from the campaign."
Wolfson said the Clinton campaign also will vigorously review its fundraisers, including thorough criminal background checks, in the future. "In any instances where a source of a bundler's income is in question, the campaign will take affirmative steps to verify its origin," he said.
The amount that the campaign identified as raised by Hsu would make him one of her top fundraisers. During the first six months of this year, her presidential campaign raised $52 million from individual contributors, second to Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., who raised $58.5 million.
While Clinton will return the money raised by Hsu, Wolfson said the individual contributors could make new donations.
"We will accept their contributions and ask them to confirm for our records that they are from their own personal funds," he said in an e- mail.
Since 2004, Hsu has donated $260,000 to Democratic Party groups and federal candidates, and raised hundreds of thousands of additional dollars. He was regarded as a top party fundraiser until recent reports surfaced that he was wanted on a warrant in California in connection with a 1991 grand theft charge.
Federal authorities are examining whether Hsu leaned on investors to contribute to political candidates after paying them big earnings from a shady business venture he was running, the law enforcement official said. Such a scam--using conduit contributors known as straw donors--is a violation of the Federal Election Campaign Act, which limits how much money individuals can give to candidates and political committees.
The FBI may be looking at other potential charges as well, according to the law enforcement official who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the ongoing investigation.
In addition to the $260,000 he contributed to federal candidates, Hsu also contributed at least $330,000 to state Democratic candidates and state party committees and ballot initiatives during the 2004 and 2006 election cycles. Among the state officials who received money were New York Gov. Eliot Spitzer and New York Attorney General Andrew Cuomo. Both have said they would divest their campaigns of the donations.
Additionally, last week Pennsylvania Gov. Ed Rendell said he would donate nearly $40,000 in contributions, and Rep. Mark Udall, D-Colo., said he had donated a $1,000 contribution to a charity that helps soldiers.
The purpose of Hsu's business venture was unclear. The Los Angeles Times reported Monday that it was an investment pool that had recently drawn the suspicion of associates who questioned its legality.
An attorney for Hsu did not immediately respond to a request for comment Monday.
Hsu remained hospitalized in Grand Junction, Colo., where he has been since failing to show up for a California court hearing last week. It was unclear when he might be returned to California to face charges.
Hsu pleaded no contest in 1991 to accusations that he defrauded investors of $1 million. He was facing up to three years in prison when he skipped town before his sentencing in 1992. He finally surrendered to the arrest warrant Aug. 31, but disappeared before last week's hearing where he was expected to turn over his passport and ask a judge to cut his $2 million bail in half.
Wolfson said the Clinton campaign was "unaware of Mr. Hsu's decade- plus old warrant," despite what he described as a thorough review of public records.
Since Thursday, Hsu has been at the Colorado hospital, when he was taken from an eastbound Amtrak train for treatment of an undisclosed ailment. He'd failed to show up for the hearing a day earlier. He is expected to be taken to the Mesa County Jail in Colorado to await extradition proceedings in state court once he is well enough to leave the hospital.
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Associated Press writer Jim Kuhnhenn contributed to this report.