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Posted Tuesday, October 30, 2007, at 8:18 PM
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At the risk of being more controversial than I would like, please allow me to express my thoughts on the subject of life, pets and "animal cruelty". Some preliminary declarations: I own and love an Italian Greyhound named Spike and a house cat named Socks; I am allergic to cats (o my if I rub my eyes after petting Socks!), but i am willing to make this sacrifice for my children and our cat.

To begin, I believe in evolution and in God and the existence of a "soul". Mankind is the apex of the evolution of life on Earth because God has imbued us (and only us) with the spirit, or soul, or awareness of the virtues of God. What separates us from the "animal" is this "soul". Can I prove this? No. Hence we have faith.

From the dawn of man, we have hunted for survival and entertainment. Animals have been driven to extinction (right or wrong) by our hand. Several species have been domesticated, and provide love, companionship, and livelihood for millions.

The hypocrisy: a very famous man is currently facing incarceration for killing an animal; another very famous man faced ignominy and criminal charges for a public act of violence toward an animal; and every year from about this time until after the new year, hundreds of thousands of men (and women, and children) joyfully point a weapon at an animal and kill it, for sport/food/whatever. What is the difference between these acts? Why does the law of the land allow for one act to be acceptable and the other not?

My Father told me the story of his first hunting experience when he was a youth. He actually shot a deer, but when the hunting party arrived at the animal, it was still alive. My Father said he never forgot the look in the eye of the animal, and never lifted another weapon against one again. My first (and last) shot at a deer was not so melodramatic: I killed and ate my first (a doe).

I believe it is wrong to kill an animal for reasons other than livelihood and survival. In some instances I think it is reprehensible (ref. Michael Vick), but it should not be subject to criminal proceedings. Until we cease to be omnivores, and until meaningless violent acts against animals are proven to be incontrovertible evidence of tendency to violent behavior against humans, it is just as reprehensible for a man to go to jail for killing an animal.


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From the Tennessee Code Annotated:

39-14-203. Cock and animal fighting. --

(a) It is unlawful for any person to:

(1) Own, possess, keep, use or train any bull, bear, dog, cock, swine or other animal, for the purpose of fighting, baiting or injuring another such animal, for amusement, sport or gain;

(2) Cause, for amusement, sport or gain, any animal referenced in subdivision (a)(1) to fight, bait or injure another animal, or each other;

(3) Permit any acts stated in subdivisions (a)(1) and (2) to be done on any premises under the person's charge or control, or aid or abet those acts; or

(4) Be knowingly present, as a spectator, at any place or building where preparations are being made for an exhibition for the fighting, baiting or injuring of any animal, with the intent to be present at the exhibition, fighting, baiting or injuring.

(b) It is the legislative intent that the provisions of this section shall not apply to the training or use of hunting dogs for sport or to the training or use of dogs for law enforcement purposes.

(c) (1) Except for any offense involving a cock, an offense under subdivisions (a)(1)-(3) is a Class E felony.

(2) An offense involving a cock under subdivisions (a)(1)-(3) is a Class A misdemeanor.

(d) (1) An offense under subdivision (a)(4) is a Class B misdemeanor if the person is a spectator at a dog fight.

(2) Any other violation of subdivision (a)(4) is a Class C misdemeanor.

(e) It is not an offense to own, possess or keep cocks, or aid or abet the ownership, possession or keeping of cocks, for the sole purpose of selling or transporting cocks to a location in which possession or keeping of cocks is legal.

[Acts 1989, ch. 591, § 1; 1990, ch. 625, §§ 1, 2; 2007, ch. 216, § 1; 2007, ch. 555, § 1.]

-- Posted by cherylrichardson on Thu, Nov 8, 2007, at 8:02 AM

My feelings on Rooster fights are exactly the same as Dog fights . There is no sport to it,I think it is nothing more than a thirst for blood and violence. I feel that someone who takes pleasure in the suffering and death of any of gods creatures is no outstanding citizen .I would not want my grandchildren looking up to this person.We need tougher laws that can be enforced and penaltys that will convince these people this is very wrong.

-- Posted by elaine-carebear on Wed, Nov 7, 2007, at 2:33 PM

Alright, it looks like you have opened up a can of worms, here. Well, less forget about dogs for a minute. What about "Rooster Fights"? I know an outstanding citizen of the community that has numerous trophies for this sport. (If it is to be called a sport) Trophies are given out....isn't that a sport? Even though an animal is put to death. Just wanted to know some of your feelings on it.

-- Posted by XPCTMORE on Tue, Nov 6, 2007, at 2:42 PM

To the good doctor ,I am upset that a member of the medical community has this this kind of tolerance for abuse and death of any living thing. Did you not take an oath to preserve life and not do harm? I suppose the life and feelings that GOD gave the animals dont count right?

-- Posted by elaine-carebear on Mon, Nov 5, 2007, at 3:11 PM

Ever notice that when people talk about serial killers and psycopaths the sentence "well, he did kill animals when he was little" comes up a few times?

What should we do with Mr. Vick? Give him back his multi-million dollar career as if nothing happened? Let him own more dogs? He broke the law and I hope he rots in jail and in his own misery and shame for the rest of his life.

-- Posted by jesuslovesevery1 on Fri, Nov 2, 2007, at 12:16 PM

did hsus also torture these animals and feed them gunpowder to make them more violent? please,it is a sport to people like vick dont compare it to animal population control.

-- Posted by tdc on Wed, Oct 31, 2007, at 2:18 PM

Summer before last my neighbors son kicked my kids puppy on my property. He spent 3 days at the vet and cost me about $300.00 I did not say anything to my neighbors about it (wanted to keep the peace). Last summer the same kid from next door about 8yrs. old hit my 3yr. old in the mouth full speed ahead with a baseball busting his mouth and almost knocked out his front teeth. My son at 3 cant pitch baseball and didnt have on a glove. This also happened on my property! I understand property rights and my neighbors do now since we wont allow their son back in our yard! I relate this to the kids that set the dog on fire. NEXT TIME if not punished it might be a kid rather than a dog!

-- Posted by Disgusted on Wed, Oct 31, 2007, at 2:17 PM

I'm glad that you enjoyed the link. I'm also glad that you took the time to read it. I appreciate you answering my question. Although we have a difference of opinion, I can respect that you have yours. I hope that you will respect mine as well. This IS a topic that I do feel strongly about. I respect all life, not just that of humans. I will keep lobbying our lawmakers to uphold the criminal laws and make even tougher penalties for animal abuse.

I'll leave you with this:

"Non-violence leads to the highest ethics, which is the goal of all evolution. Until we stop harming all other living beings, we are still savages."

- Thomas A. Edison

"I am in favour of animal rights as well as human rights. That is the way of a whole human being."

- Abraham Lincoln

We can judge the heart of a man by his treatment of animals.

- Immanuel Kant

-- Posted by cherylrichardson on Wed, Oct 31, 2007, at 2:14 PM

Thank you for the compliments.

My 'hyperbole' referred to the tendency humans have to take a loophole and run with it.

Tell a child that he must leave the candy for guests but he can eat any damaged treats and there are going to be plenty of confectionary casualties that won't pass triage.

Tell someone who delights in abusing animals that he is damaging 'property' and he will see torturing his animals as no different from destroying any other chattel and immolating a neighbor's pet as no different from setting their lawn furniture on fire.

There was a time when the rape of a virgin was a 'property crime',too and one could beat any member of his own household with impunity.

Restrict decent treatment to humans and such a person will decide that a given class of people 'aren't really human' and he has permission to perform atrocities that would make Mengele ill.

He will interpret reality according to his convenience.

As for the child who killed the cat,a toddler may not know how damaging his actions are nor be aware of the consequences.

For HIM, hitting the kitten,the television or another child would be as easy a mistake to make as treating the living room wallpaper as a coloring book.

But,does he now know to leave tools alone?

Does he know that hitting hurts?

Yes,I'd watch him for a few years.

If he shows signs of repeating the incident,get him help.

If he obsesses over it once he's old enough to recognize his guilt,help him to forgive himself and move on.

A school age child should have a much clearer idea of right and wrong than one that's barely weaned.

Societies have made laws that an animal who suffered when slain could not be eaten.

Similarly,we have set down rules at the Geneva Convention for how we treat each other.

Without making and enforcing rules about abuse,the people without a healthy conscience will take any excuse and any opportunity to practice their hobby -whether it be shooting horses or dragging boys by the neck behind a truck.

It's not about the victims,it's about the perpetrators being a source of pain and death as surely as a case of anthrax.

We do no avoidable harm and we take no pleasure in what suffering occurs anyway.

That should be the rule-period.

-- Posted by quantumcat on Wed, Oct 31, 2007, at 2:12 PM

So we can read an article but not question it or have an opinion on it? Hum, I'll keep that in mind! I thought thats what Blogs were for...

-- Posted by Disgusted on Wed, Oct 31, 2007, at 1:27 PM

It is really refreshing to see an article where the reporter believes in property rights. It is equally disgusting to see comments by individuals who can't seem to grasp the difference between their property and the neighbors property. Keep up the good work. Oh by the way, I read where HSUS killed 17,000 more dogs last year than M. Vick

-- Posted by TENNESSEAN on Wed, Oct 31, 2007, at 1:00 PM

Thanks for the responses. As I predicted, I have been misunderstood. I am not a great writer like quantumcat, so I will try to clarify my stance to Disgusted and Ms. Richardson (somehow, I knew you would chime in :))

I believe in evolution and in God. OK which is it, did we come from apes or God? This is a matter for a dozen more blogs, but, briefly, evolution and God are NOT mutually exclusive concepts. The evolution of life on this planet is ordained by God. He gave mankind the gift of knowledge of his (and His) spirituality in the form of Manifestations of himself in human form...the first of which was Adam. With Adam, man the spiritual being evolved from man the "ape".

I did not say that perpetrators of animal cruelty should not be punished! They should not be jailed.

You imply that my stance means I am not horrified or angered by the child mauled by an abused dog. This is ridiculous.

My million dollar comment was tongue-in-cheek. I stand by my refusal to press criminal charges against the neighbor.

Ms. Richardson, I have reviewed the AH web site, thank you for linking to it. Here is the last part of one of the links:

American Humane asserts that the Link must be addressed and the following provisions must be implemented:

Cross-training and cross-reporting among law enforcement officers, humane investigators, veterinarians, health professionals, domestic violence advocates, and child protection workers;

Training and continuing education about the Link for judges and prosecutors;

Model legislation for cross-reporting and cross-reporting standards;

Systematic tracking of national animal abuse data;

__Expanded research about the Link, including evaluation of prevention and intervention approaches;__

Inclusion of animal-focused violence in standard assessments and intake forms for child protective services, mental health, and domestic violence workers; and

Community partnerships to respond to family violence and educate the public about taking all acts of violence seriously

Emphasis mine. When the evidence of this Link between animal and abuse is established with science, not trends or surveys, then we can justify harsh criminal punishments. My personal opinion about the kids who torched the dog and people who organize and watch dogs fighting to the death: They are reprehensible, awful acts. But they are NOT the same as kids torching another kid or training kids to fight to the death and cheering it on.

I am reminded of an episode a few years ago. I was horrified by the event when it was told to me, but then I realized...what can be done about it? A father told me that he went into his garage and saw his very young (maybe 3 or 4?) son had killed their kitten with a wrench from a tool box. "Just hit the kitten on the head, I guess". It was written off as an accident; the man is very upstanding, above reproach, well-respected and has wonderful kids. It probably was an accident, but how do we know for sure? Should this child be monitored for violent behavior? Should the family be monitored? For how long?

I learned something very interesting at the American Humane web site. They are very involved in research, education and prevention of Child Abuse and Neglect, not just Animal Abuse. I think this is great, and should provide much needed data in substantiating the link between animal and human violence.

-- Posted by nmonajjem on Wed, Oct 31, 2007, at 12:58 PM

I certainly won't seek criminal charges against my neighbor. Civil proceedings, maybe...I think a million bucks will do to ease my pain and suffering, eh?

-- Posted by nmonajjem on Wed, Oct 31, 2007, at 10:22 AM

I'd rather see my neighbor in Jail or Hell! They could keep their money. I dont have a monetary value where my pets are concerned!

I'm also interested in your reply to the questioning from cherylrichardson!

-- Posted by Disgusted on Wed, Oct 31, 2007, at 11:06 AM

I have read this blog about five times now. It is has to be the most contradicting one I have ever read! What DO you believe in?

I believe in evolution and in God. OK which is it, did we come from apes or God?

I own and love an Italian Greyhound named Spike and a house cat named Socks; You love your animals but don't believe a person should be punished for animal cruelty???

The hypocrisy: a very famous man is currently facing incarceration for killing an animal; another very famous man faced ignominy and criminal charges for a public act of violence toward an animal

I believe it is wrong to kill an animal for reasons other than livelihood and survival. In some instances I think it is reprehensible (ref. Michael Vick), but it should not be subject to criminal proceedings.

Who cares if some are famous they should be punished. You cant compare shooting a deer to training animals to kill each other. Have you ever treated a child or anyone for that matter that has been attacked by a dog that someone has raised to fight til death?

How Disgraceful...IMO

-- Posted by Disgusted on Wed, Oct 31, 2007, at 10:55 AM

You have to take into consideration that not only did Vick fight the dogs, but he and others illegally gambled on them as well. He killed them, when they didn't perform well. Not just one law broken there, but two. It was a money making business of cruelty. Some of those videos are horrendous.

Also, many that commit acts of cruelty to companion animals are responsible for crimes of domestic abuse and other violent crimes to humans. There IS a link. Visit the American Humane Association site at:

http://www.americanhumane.org/site/PageS...

Personally, not only do I think that criminal charges should be passed for animal fighting and other acts of animal cruelty, but I think they should be felonies in every state. That is just my opinion, and I know that everyone has their own. But if you've ever nursed an abused animal back to health and a healthy state of mind, you tend to feel that way.

nmonajjem- I really would like to know how you feel about the juveniles that set fire purposely to the dog, Angel, in Nashville with a blow torch. Do you feel that they should not face criminal charges either? Do you feel that is different from dog fighting? Why or why not?

-- Posted by cherylrichardson on Wed, Oct 31, 2007, at 10:55 AM

Disgusted,

I certainly won't seek criminal charges against my neighbor. Civil proceedings, maybe...I think a million bucks will do to ease my pain and suffering, eh?

-- Posted by nmonajjem on Wed, Oct 31, 2007, at 10:22 AM

Excellent, quantumcat!

I am in agreement with you, we are saying the same thing, in principle. But criminal law does not work by principle, only by its letter. Currently, we cannot accurately and justifiably (and without exception) differentiate acts against animals that are "protecting, feeding, clothing" from those that are "pathological, tasteless, sinful" to the point that a human should go to jail.

As far as your "who is human enough", I think you take your argument into the realm of hyperbole. All that are born from the union of two human beings are, from conception, both physically and spiritually alive...the existence of physical or mental defect does not diminish or lessen the power and potential of the soul.

-- Posted by nmonajjem on Wed, Oct 31, 2007, at 10:19 AM

By no means am I saying Mr. Vick shouldn't have been charged with a crime...he broke the law! I am saying there shouldn't be a law.

-- Posted by nmonajjem on Tue, Oct 30, 2007, at 10:45 PM

I take it when you let Spike and Socks go outside and your neighbor decides to kill them you wouldnt call the police? That is since you dont think there should be a law against it!

There is a dif. in wild game and domestic animals! I will eat deer, but I wont be eating my dog or cat!

-- Posted by Disgusted on Wed, Oct 31, 2007, at 9:57 AM

Deliberate cruelty is the difference.

If we condone taking delight in another's death or misery because they aren't human,when does the question become who is human enough?

The believer in a new creed tossed in with the lions?

The Down's Syndrome child hunted no differently than the rhino or the fox?

The elderly woman shot as she launders her clothes because her killer is bored and her scalp could buy his tobacco?

There is concern that animal cruelty is a 'gateway crime' because it is likely that the perpetrator never learned that cruelty was wrong,was taught that torture was legitimate entertainment or is somehow impaired so that he cannot empathasize or comprehend his society's laws.

Bloodsports,snuff films and their ilk have nothing to do with protecting ourselves,feeding and clothing our families or even making sure our cosmetics and cleansers are safe.

They exist to exploit our dominion over the strong and deny the stewardship we have over the weak.

Society needs to impress upon its members that such abuse is not only tasteless and pathological,it is sin.

If we are too civilized to let executing criminals or interrogating enemies of the state be an excuse for becoming monsters,why should anyone be allowed to maim,terrorize or kill ANY being as if that were the equivalent of playing a game of Scrabble?

-- Posted by quantumcat on Wed, Oct 31, 2007, at 8:35 AM

By no means am I saying Mr. Vick shouldn't have been charged with a crime...he broke the law! I am saying there shouldn't be a law.

-- Posted by nmonajjem on Tue, Oct 30, 2007, at 10:45 PM

Several years ago I had a deer hunter call me at home one Saturday afternoon to take what he called a really interesting picture for the T-G.

He was bow hunting and had been in a deer stand that day and didn't have a single deer come near enough for a shot.

But, a large rattlesnake took up residence just below the tree. He tried tossing a few things down and Mr. Rattler refused vacate the premises.

He finally solved the problem by shooting an arrow through the rattlesnake. It was an unusual picture and it did run in the T-G.

-- Posted by bomelson on Tue, Oct 30, 2007, at 10:30 PM

doc, mike vick knew it was illegal. that is the point. its no different from pot smokers having an opinion that pot should be legal, well its not so, if you get caught you pay the price. same with any other illegal act.

maybe dog fighting should not be a criminal act but until the law says its ok you cant do it (legally).

-- Posted by tdc on Tue, Oct 30, 2007, at 10:19 PM

Interesting. The primary difference in today is hunting is also a part of game management. Many of these animals would starve without some thinning of the population. The vast majority of game animals (deer, turkey etc) also end up as food as well.

In the case of dog or cockfighting, these animals are bred for the express purpose of providing an outlet for illegal betting. They are often kept in poor conditions and then destroyed only when they are too beaten up or lose a couple of fights.

I don't hunt primarily because getting up at 4am to go sit in a tree in freezing weather holds little alure for me. But those that do actually provide a service that helps to maintain an overall healthy game population.

Hey, when's the "go live" date for the hospital?

-- Posted by Tim Baker on Tue, Oct 30, 2007, at 9:09 PM


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