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Posted Saturday, February 2, 2008, at 11:08 AM<< Previous | Read comments | Respond | Email link | Next >>
Bedford County is bristling with the "School Attire" debate, and I would like to take this opportunity to express my thoughts on this important issue. It is important because it is about more than just what the students wear, it is about attitude - respect - discipline.
The only - ONLY - reason this is a school issue is because it has not been made an issue at HOME. Very simple. Students with poor attitudes, no self-respect, and who are undisciplined are being raised that way at home. All the pretty clothes and suits and ties will do nothing if they go home and throw them off on the floor. If the classroom has to take up the slack, then it needs to go far beyond school uniforms. Has anyone been witness to a middle school cafeteria at lunch? After lunch during cleanup? It will be an eye-opening experience, I am sure. And where is the discipline when evaluating a students performance? How is it that a slacker submits jibberish on a piece of paper and gets the same credit as the student who worked hard at a composition? The result is what Mr. Parker alluded to so nicely in his "Super Bowl XLII or 42" blog: a society so rife with (grammatical) laziness that it becomes acceptable to say "Where are you at?". Listen...you will hear this from adults and children...even in our schools. Am I in favor of standardized attire? You betcha. Will it transform our schools into bastions of excellence and perfect students? No way. Will it deprive our kids of a way to "express their individuality"? This is so ridiculous it's funny. A child's individuality develops from how they act and think, not from what they wear for crying out loud. And it is a constant process that evolves through many years, beyond college. For those who think there is a contradiction in my argument, reread this post. Standardized attire is not about the clothes themselves, it is about the importance of discipline by moderation, and the discipline must be enforced consistently across the entire education continuum, or else our kids will continue to laugh in contempt of authority. Comments Showing comments in chronological order [Show most recent comments first] |
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Excellent - do you suppose it would help to provide the parents of the troublemakers in school their own uniforms to wear? The orange ones that the county provides.
When I was young, I was forced by my parents and society to wear dresses and can-can slips, tights, and patent shoes to school, and on Sundays, gloves and a hat!!!!
Did it improve my attitude? No Way. When I was allowed to dress down and make choices on my own, my attitude improved tremendously. I continued to make good grades and was respectful and considerate. My 'attire' had nothing to do with who I was. My parents raised me to be that way and I resent anyone who insinuates that I have not raised my kids properly because I do not make them wear collared shirts or Khakis to school. They are also good students and are respectful and considerate.
The Board needs to listen to the parents of those kids and let them provide input into how the attitudes of the other kids/parents can be changed. Unfortunately, there is a lack of respect for education by society in general.
I also do not believe that having perfect grammar makes a person perfect, nor will it or SSA make students clean up after themselves or improve their work-study skills. As for grading, I believe that should be addressed to the teacher who is allowing the work to which you referred.
(P.S. I may not have a Ph.D., but I do have an M.A.)
Points taken, Stardust.
I contend that the discipline your parents obviously instilled in you PREPARED you to make the right decisions, be respectful and be considerate, making your dressing down inconsequential in the grand scheme of things. Again, imperfect grammar is just one indication that our kids are being taught it's okay to not strive for perfection in all we do. These issues transcend social stature, if that is what you mean by the P.S. Level of formal education has no bearing on our potential to be good parents to our kids (it sounds like you are a good one, regardless of your degree!)
Navid,
I totally respect your opinion and ideas and I agree it is with the attitude. But I don't think a standardized attire is the solution. It will cause alot of problems, the largest problem is the lack to enforce policy that currently exists. If you notice my words "lack to enforce"; I mean exactly that.
For example:
Little Suzy goes to her teacher, Ms. Smith's local church, Little Suzy isn't wearing the correct color shirt. Little Bobby doesn't have his shirt tucked in but he is wearing all the correct color clothing. He is sent to the office and is punished, yet Little Suzie is fine and dandy and allowed to continue her education.
If you don't think this happens, you are sadly mistaken. There is no way for parents to prevent this from happening unless we don't allow these ridiculous policies to be passed without our knowledge. This is total contradiction to NCLB, that is a federal law.
Yes, Evil, I am well aware of the injustices that children endure, especially in school. It is ubiquitous. If we ceased to institute changes because of the potential injustices, we would be paralyzed.
I suppose NCLB denotes No Child Left Behind? That is a subject for many, many blogs.... I feel the NCLB is directly responsible for the grading issue I brought up in my original post.
I'd like to see more "natural consequences" education started as early as possible.
Start kids observing then doing activities that demonstrate certain skills and attitudes.
Let them see some immediate results of these actions as well as long term consequences.
Gardening and cooking are good examples as they show how following the right procedures produces a good outcome.
Pets are not a good choice for beginners because the animal suffers if mistreated or neglected and the wrong lessons are picked up if others take up all the slack for the child.
Point out (in a discreet fashion) when a mistake is seen or when someone does something exceptionally well.
"How do you know this person on television is the boss?"
"He tends to things that need doing and people listen to him."
"How do you know that other person isn't the hero?"
"He's dirty and he talks ugly to people."
It's not necessary to beat them over the head with these lessons but make a note when milk gets left out on the counter,a book is lost or a garment is torn.
Subtract that from what's budgeted for fun things.
When the child makes something instead of buying it,finds a bargain or reduces expences in another way,add that savings to the budget.
Children learn best by seeing the validity of certain actions rather than just hearing about it.
They'll notice what's wrong when someone hits,steals or lies.
They'll grimace over a note that's too ungrammatical,badly spelled or haphazardly scrawled to read.
They'll be aware of how efficiency and consideration make life run smoother.
There are many things they should take our word for rather than learn the hard way but if we model correct behavior all we can and give them plenty of opportunities to learn and apply the right strategies,they'll absorb much of the necessary life lessons for themselves and learn how to build upon the foundation we give them to think and act appropriately on their own.
Anything less is evidence that we don't respect our youth enough to think them capable of mastering these skills.
Those who are truly incapable need our support to make up for their deficits.
Everyone else should be expected to apply basic life skills and the etiquette needed to get along with other people.
This will not create a priggish or robotic society.
It will be liberating and life-affirming.
In this sense,no child should be left behind nor should any be hobbled lest they race ahead of the group.
We aren't trying to see who crosses the finish line the fastest.
We're trying to see who can cover the most ground during their lifetime.
I do believe kids and some adults too express themselves through the clothes they wear. If these clothes are [offensive or inappropriate] then the school needs to be talking with the child and their parents, about the clothes the child is wearing. ["ENFORCE REGULAR DRESS CODES"]
But like everyone else has said, "Even you yourself said the clothes the child wears is not going to make them a better student, so "WHY" change the "STYLE & TYPE" of clothes the children wear if it does not benefit nothing."
As Evil Monkey said their are STILL going to be issues with the colors, shirts being tucked in, belts worn, same as complaints about the clothes being worn now.
The only way I see "A LACK OF PROBLEMS WITH THE ATTIRE" is if their was a "UNIFORM" that "The School Supplied and everyone had to wear, it would be the same colors, name brand, and price.
The only thing they would have to enforce would be shirts tucked in, belts worn, not too tight, not too loose.
As far as the kids leaving a messy cafeteria, and a slacker turning in jibbersh work but getting the same credit as another child that worked hard on a composition; The school will need to deal with that.
Bad behavior, disrespect, and attitude with children will still remain no matter what kind of clothes they wear; "As a matter of [FACT] it may even CAUSE more attitudes if the Kids DO NOT LIKE what they are being FORCED to wear".
Perhaps the School Board can come up with a program that offers classes, or activities that interact with students and parents to help with some issues that families often go through. It's easy to blame a parent for a childs behavior, but "What can be done to HELP correct this?" Their are parents out there that are slacking in discplining and raising there children. "School Attire" still does not change this, the parents need help, so now what?
Very good points!
You can't pass on what you don't have.
Let's help parents give their children skills and values as well as physical necessities.
It would be great if the process started before school started (before birth? before conception?).
No,it is not the teacher,cleric or doctor's job to see that all boys and girls get what they need but one privilege granted to a community is helping create the kind of people one wants to be one's neighbors.
Most people would raise their kids correctly if they had the means and know-how.
The rest need to be set aside as soon and as thoroughly as possible so the children don't suffer from their shortcomings.
Otherwise,we perpetuate a system without standards and no desire or competencies to make things better.
We can spend a little time,money and effort to grow functional human beings or we can pay a LOT to have a society of losers.
If we won't help people out of love,let's do it out of self-interest.
The altruism expressed in the responses to this blog are refreshing and right on target. O what an elusive goal it is! The kind of pro-activeness (pro-activity?) described by quantumcat would serve us well in all endeavors of life, eh?
Thank you for your kind comments,
nmonajjem.
There are a lot of caring and insightful people on these blogs and in our community.
I've seen many (if not enough) people go the extra mile to nurture and guide others.
Who couldn't benefit from such support?
They may not make the headlines but those who help (even if it's just by the example they set) are the real heroes.
I hope we all make an effort to do as much for those who would fulfill their potential for good if given half a chance.
As for the school cafeteria and the messes these kids leave. I have to ask, have you ever been in a public restroom and seen some of the awful messes some adults themselves make? I inspect office building in 18 middle Tennessee counties and most never have anyone other than adults in these offices. I have seen some of the most pathetic messes left in break rooms and restrooms by adults that its sickening. I walk out the doors wondering what their houses look like if they make messes like that at work. They all wear standardizes work attire too, imagine that!
I don't think any of my children will have a life altering revelation if they have to wear a uniform. I don't think my honor roll child be any smarter than he already is and I don't think my 16 yr. old that struggles with her grade will suddenly become a honor student. I have to get onto my kids on a daily basis about cleaning their rooms, throwing clothes in the floor, doing their chores, wasting food ,turning lights off, having a smart mouth, you name it! Just because they TRY to not do what is expected of them does not make them bad kids nor does it make me and my husband bad parents! They also know if they get into trouble at school, they better have a real good reason.
There is another underlying reason for this entire reason for SSA, the board just won't tell us. Someone is going to #1 make alot of money off it, or #2 they are trying to keep us busy worry about the SSA because there is something else they are trying to slip in under the radar.
Evil Monkey
I have to agree with your comment! I have not until now thought of that possibility but it sure does make sense.
I find this blog personally insulting myself! Blame it on the parents, they (the kids) are not getting what they need at home! Thats bull for the most part... We can only do so much. If we want to give our kids a good (not great) life we all have to work. Most parents (both) have to work. I myself make pretty good money, but I work for the insurance more than I work for the money I make. My stepson was in the hospital for 7 days and had surgery it did not cost one dime out of pocket other than a follow up afterward, $25.00 copay. If the Dr.s dont get their money they will turn it over to collections in a heartbeat. They dont care if you have the money or not, dont care how many kids you have, and dont care if you loose everything you are trying to work for to get it! The people that have jobs are the ones they go after, not the ones on TNCARE or that have NO insurance at all (cant get it from them). Then to sit back and blame all parents and put everyone of us in the same group is a major, major insult to me. Not one of us here can sit back and cast the first stone that just might not come back around and bust us in the mouth! I wont put down any parent because I dont ever know what one of mine might do before its all said and done! Is it because I dont care? NO, I DO care but we can only teach them what we want them to know and how they should be. We can not MAKE them do anything!
AFTERTHOUGHT: My oldest turned 22 yesterday. She still calls me if shes going to be late! She still ask for my opinion! She still gets mad at me no doubt, but (still) turns to me no matter whats going on in her life! At 22 I know without a boubt she does not have to do that. She does it because I am not only her mom but her best friend and she is mine! I think that all boils down to respect!!!
Disgusted,
I am sorry that you were insulted, although it sounds like, from your description of your well-raised child, you really didn't need to be.
I am more sorry that you chose to express your disappointment in what you (wrongly) feel is a stereotypical comment by firing back an insulting stereotype about my profession.
Of course, great parents can have bad kids, and terrible parents can have wonderful kids.... I really thought that fact was just too obvious to waste space on my blog.
P.S. - Make sure you tell your daughter what you wrote; it was very nice.
I was not trying to insult your profession (I guess it does come across that way) just clearly making my point that most families don't have the option to have a stay at home parent to keep an eye on every move their kids make. My reason is in fact because of health insurance.
The better medical people would love to put patients first and finances second.
Even if money weren't an issue,too many things conspire to hinder them from rendering the kind of health care they'd like to provide.
They can't even take a good history or talk to a patient in the time they have and they haven't gotten to treat the same families for decades as health professionals used to do.
They see more and more people becoming unable to pay for basic care while the same old well-to-do folks blow off their debts to their health care providers while they spend their money on fun and games.
Wellness care and emergency treatment are not luxuries.
People shouldn't fear being denied a job because they have a sick child nor should they worry that the next layoff or plant closing will leave them in the lurch altogether.
A lot of these issues dovetail with one another.
If health care,education and family relationships are functioning well,the economy and crime rate do better.
If any one factor goes awry,people become less secure in the others.
We need something to help our doctors, teachers and parents do their jobs as they should.
That would remove much of the stress from other areas.
I would just like to express my 2cents about this uniform tragedy. When I was in middle school, years ago, we were still only allowed to wear dresses. I don't remember how it all came about but I know my mom had something to do with it. Probably, because she was tired of making dresses for 2 tomboys to wear to school. But, anyway the agreement was made that Pant Suits would be allowed. The tops had to cover the pants. In other words your butt had to be covered. We were very happy with the change at the time. Now, look at how far it has gone. Anything goes. I no longer have children in school, but, I see how they dress. I think Mr.West said it all in his Comments to the Editor a couple of weeks ago. If you would have bought your kids some clothes that fit instead of letting them show their underwear this would have never have had to happen.
I was under the impression that the school boards main reason for implementing the dress code was due to the increasing amount of kids wearing gang colors to make them visable to other gang memebers? I think there are other alternatives to adress this specific problem. The kids will find other ways to make themselves visable to those who are looking for it. My opinion is... isn't better for the school administration to be able to identify these kids possibly involved in gang activity or wish to be, rather than making them blend in with everyone so you cannot spot the threat? I guess next year we will see if this actually provides a solution to the problem, or just creates new ones....stay tuned!