Sadie Fowler

Parade makes this "horse person" nervous

Posted Monday, December 10, 2007, at 2:04 PM
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  • Were you parked at KFC? Yeah, that "muscle car" was what spooked the pretty black horse with the carriage. The driver of the car was showing out, gunning his engine, and the car died. The few in my group were laughing at the show-off. As he got the car started again, it backfired a little, and that's when the horse behind him started raring up, then it turned right in the direction of my (almost) 6 year old son who was waving a giant glowstick. I got pretty nervous of the horse, and got the heck out of dodge, ha ha!

    I have been wondering the past few years, what purpose do the horses serve in the parade if they're not actually pulling a float? When I was in my school band, I was quite thankful that the horses marched behind us... not in front, lol!

    -- Posted by craftin_mom on Mon, Dec 10, 2007, at 2:34 PM
  • I didn't see that, I was parked in the old Bi-Lo parking lot. I will say when the horses when by everyone around me noticed that the riders were passing a "Sun Drop" bottled amongst themselves...I can only imagine what was in the bottle. Shouldn't riding a horse while drinking be as illegal as driving a car? Also, the parade is "supposed" to be a family event, where it's safe to bring your children. Right next to us a fight almost broke out between a man that was clearly intoxicated and could barely stand. Fortunately the other guy was sober and walked away. The sober guy was with his family also. I called the police and told them they needed to get this guy away from the other people because he's just looking for a fight. This was around 5, an hour before traffic was even stopped for the parade. Needless to say it took the police 15 minutes to get there and when they DID arrive, the officer was less that polite to me. I hadn't done anything wrong, but yet I was the one being questioned. Finally the man was arrested and taken to jail. It's sad when people can't even enjoy a parade without someone trying to cause trouble. They all need to keep their booze at home where it belongs!!!

    -- Posted by Angie Bush-Lee on Mon, Dec 10, 2007, at 3:38 PM
  • -- Posted by HorseGentler on Mon, Dec 10, 2007, at 5:20 PM
  • Thanks Sadie for writing a blog that allows me to get up on my soapbox.

    I do alot of work with horses. I am not a show trainer, but I have started under saddle many horses that have went on to be shown. Many people refer to me as a Horsewhisperer, but I prefer the term Horsegentler as it accurately describes what I do.

    That being said I get very irritated at the folks described in the blog and replies. It is my opinion that these folks have no business owning a horse, if they cannot be more responsible for their own safety, their horse's safety and any bystanders.

    First I will address the backfiring issue. Part of what I do when I start a young horse or restart a older horse ,that has developed bad habits due to abuse or improper handling is a term called desensitizing or as I like to call it "Bombproofing".

    This is done by introducing spooky things to the horse in a controlled environment and at first while I'm on the ground holding the horse by halter attached to a lead rope. Later while I'm in the saddle. I will introduce the horse to guns firing off right beside them, flags waving, running up to the horse, jumping up and down around the horse, motorized vehicles, cars, trucks, motorcycles, tractors, etc. and even more. I do these things until the horses does not so much as flinch. Of course I cannot introduce every conceivable thing in the time I spend training a horse (generally 45 days), but it's a good start and after that the owner/rider should take over and build on where I left off. Until the horse has proven that it is not spooky to things it might encounter in a parade or whatever other activity it is being used for, then in my opinion it should not be used for that purpose until the issue is resolved.

    As for the drinking and riding all I can say is they are MORONS and have no business owning a horse. Horseback riding can be dangerous under the best of circumstances and I know firsthand of two instances recently where a rider was drinking alcohol, while trail riding, got injured by their own stupidity and no fault of the horse and lifeflight had to be called in to haul them out.

    Drinking alcohol while riding in public and running one's horse on pavement, around pavement and with innocent bystanders around is dangerous to the rider, the horse and of course the bystanders and those people doing this should be charged with crimes such as public intoxication, reckless endangerment and any other appropriate criminal charge. Where's a cop when you need em?

    The thing that peeves me so much about all this is that a few idiots will ruin it for those horse people that are responsibly riding and enjoying their horses in any equine activities.

    I'm off the soapbox now. Thanks for letting me rant.


    -- Posted by HorseGentler on Mon, Dec 10, 2007, at 5:52 PM
  • I was standing with my 4yr. old and one of the riders cut his horse around to stop and talk to some people beside of us. It scared me and my son grabbed my leg. I love horses but that was uncalled for. As for the Parade I was not impressed at all. To much space between stuff and everyone wants to advertise stuff! Thats OK I guess but what happened to all the nice floats we used to have? It should have been called the car and horse Parade... Dont mean to sound so negative but I was NOT impressed!

    -- Posted by Disgusted on Mon, Dec 10, 2007, at 7:54 PM
  • The advertising shouldnt have been allowed in the parade and I thought the float carrying the man ruining the "12 Days of Christmas" song by changing it into a rap song was very uncalled for. Who is it that chooses who and what goes into the parade? Maybe we should get someone with more inteligence to do the choosing from now on. Is it a Christmas parade or a car show...a Christmas parade or a rodeo...a Christmas parade or a rap concert...a Christmas parade or a commercial advertising products?

    Merry Christmas to Everyone !!

    -- Posted by AmericanWoman on Mon, Dec 10, 2007, at 10:18 PM
  • I missed the parade this year and after what I've just read, I apparently didn't miss much.

    -- Posted by Tim Lokey on Tue, Dec 11, 2007, at 2:51 AM
  • The Christmas parade's a good thing, but it seems that this was one of "those" years.

    From police reports:

    *"A subject was reportedly making threats and attempting to fight people" at the "old Bi-Lo parking lot." (mentioned above). "The subject became very belligerent towards officers and other people around the area."

    *"While the town parade was underway a truck came through at Celebration Drive and Madison Street where traffic was blocked for the parade...and continued until an officer got the vehicle stopped at Madison Street and Whitthorne Street." The driver was charged with DUI.

    *"(Officer) responded to Holland Street just off the square in reference to a possible drunk driver...Emergency Management Agency personnel had him out of the vehicle...he could hardly stand on his own power."

    *"(A man) had become involved in an altercation with his ex-wife right after the Christmas parade arrived at the parking lot. (He appeared drunk)...and was disorderly in the presence of children and the general public at the time of the Christmas parade."

    *After 10 p.m. county officers were called to check an unlighted wagon full of kids being pulled by horses on Rattlesnake Lodge Road. I'd guess they'd been in the parade.

    And does anyone else remember a few years ago when a drunk rider rode his horse into Pizza Hut after the parade?

    -- Posted by David Melson on Tue, Dec 11, 2007, at 7:16 AM
  • Nothing like a drunk to ruin everyone's fun. My son has ridden a horse in the parade since he was 8 years old (he is now 18). Mr. Drunk rammed his horse into my son's horse and my son's horse lost his footing and slid down on the pavement (the pavement was slick due to the humidity). This was before the parade actually started.....needless to say my son took his horse back to the trailer and didn't ride for fear of hurting the horse or himself. I think the police are going to have to monitor the "horse area" in the future for the safety of everyone involved. But isn't this typical behavior for many in Shelbyville...........no consideration for anyone else?

    -- Posted by Go Figure on Tue, Dec 11, 2007, at 8:22 AM
  • Yes David, I remember hearing about the horse being ridden into Pizza Hut a few years back. I also agree with Go Figure's assessment of many people in Shelbyville. No consideration for others. As I stated earlier I hope a few people like this don't ruin it for those that follow the rules and use what I would consider to be good horse or common sense.


    -- Posted by HorseGentler on Tue, Dec 11, 2007, at 8:31 AM
  • One of the riders passed by us turning up his "coozy" but you could see the top half of the can of Bud Light that he was drinking. The horses are beautiful, but some of the riders are very careless.

    -- Posted by titansfan on Tue, Dec 11, 2007, at 8:46 AM
  • I thought that the parade was pretty good this year…..not an abundance of floats, but the floats that were in the parade were nicely done. The local school bands did a great job! All of the horses were great! It was only the horse or two that had a ******* on their back that caused the tense moments. Judging from the police reports, there seems to have been a few stray jackasses amongst the crowd as well. It sucks that a few wild, rowdy and disrespectful morons have to spoil a family event for all around them. At least after the parade is over, we go home and don't have to deal with jerks any longer……kind of makes you feel sorry for the families that live with these jerks day-to-day.

    Merry Christmas to all!

    -- Posted by Rufus1321 on Tue, Dec 11, 2007, at 9:05 AM
  • I think the police are going to have to monitor the "horse area" in the future for the safety of everyone involved.

    To Gofigure:

    I think the best solution to the horse problem in the parade is not having the police to monitor the horse area, but to limit the horses in the parade to either pulling a carriage or float. This has been put into place in other cities for their parades, and solved the problem. We need to make this known to the chairman of the Christmas Parade before next year.

    -- Posted by cordell on Tue, Dec 11, 2007, at 9:16 AM
  • I think the best solution to the horse problem in the parade is not having the police to monitor the horse area, but to limit the horses in the parade to either pulling a carriage or float. This has been put into place in other cities for their parades, and solved the problem. We need to make this known to the chairman of the Christmas Parade before next year.

    -- Posted by cordell on Tue, Dec 11, 2007, at 9:16 AM

    Sorry Cordell, but I must respectfully disagree with you. It makes no difference if a person is riding a horse, a horse pulling a wagon, a person driving a car, a tractor pulling a float or what have you, if that person is drinking alcohol while doing these activities, then they are putting themselves and others around them at risk. There is a law against alcohol being consumed while doing these activities and IT needs to be enforced. Those people that are following the rules should not have to pay for others that are breaking the rules. I will myself be making these suggestions to the Chairman of the Christmas parade and also those in charge of enforcing the law.


    -- Posted by HorseGentler on Tue, Dec 11, 2007, at 9:24 AM
  • I, personally loved the variety of floats in the parade, and so did my family, but that is our opinion (not meant to cause debate).

    I thought all was great until it came to the, what seemed like, hundreds of horses. I saw a lot of responsible riders, then some not-so-responsible riders. Some younger riders where swooping their horses around carelessly to talk to friends on the sidelines, and quite a few running their horses really close to the sidelines where my family and I were sitting. I do think that maybe next year, they need to have Police on Horseback riding along side the riders to make it safer for all the families!

    -- Posted by Mary on Tue, Dec 11, 2007, at 9:25 AM
  • The parade, like everything else in Shelbyville was pretty much blah.

    -- Posted by nascarfanatic on Tue, Dec 11, 2007, at 10:03 AM
  • I agree with HorseGentler. My husband and children have ridden horses in the parade for years and it is a highlight for our children during this time of year. They decorate their horses with festive braid and look forward to riding and seeing their friends and family along the route. I don't think they should be punished for trying to enjoy an event because there are some who have no self control and problems obeying what is a written law. Address the issue of no drinking and riding and allow those who follow the rules to enjoy themselves.

    -- Posted by Go Figure on Tue, Dec 11, 2007, at 10:04 AM
  • I hate to keep beating this dead horse, but I agree with those who feel that it wouldn't right to punish all who enjoy riding in the parade and those who enjoy seeing the horses just because of a few bad apples. Maybe the police can administer alcohol breath tests to all riders and horses before the parade starts. Maybe they can do psychological testing on all who plan to ride and weed out those lacking sufficient judgment and decision making skill to ride responsibly. Maybe they can do criminal background checks on all participants or even employee the services of a psychic to predict which participants will likely cause trouble. Realistically, the suggestion about having officers on horseback riding within the crowd sounds like a great idea and would likely be achievable without overextending the city's budget. This would also provide the officers with an elevated vantage point for monitoring potential trouble makers in the crowd of spectators.

    -- Posted by Rufus1321 on Tue, Dec 11, 2007, at 11:12 AM
  • "After 10 p.m. county officers were called to check an unlighted wagon full of kids being pulled by horses on Rattlesnake Lodge Road. I'd guess they'd been in the parade."

    -I doubt that wagon had anything to do with the parade as it is CONSTANTLY out taking up well over half of the road.

    -- Posted by LauraSFT on Tue, Dec 11, 2007, at 11:40 AM
  • The bottom line to all of this is, I think, that the parade is not a place or an excuse to act careless, drink in public, or allow your children to run unsupervised out in the street. I was actually in the parade this year and saw many things that I thought were out of line. (Four wheelers acting careless and babies running out in the street without their parents watching them)

    I love to see the horses...I love to see anyone who wants to be in the parade, BUT being careless in the middle of hundreds of people should not be tolerated.

    -- Posted by pleasebenice on Tue, Dec 11, 2007, at 11:52 AM
  • The parade is meant to be a good time but not at the expense (or potential expense) of others.

    By the way, I enjoyed the rapper and the clowns in the little purple van.

    -- Posted by pleasebenice on Tue, Dec 11, 2007, at 11:54 AM
  • I didnt like the rapper at all, the truck with the woman laying on the hood advertising a tanning salon, or the check advance whatever it is... The little van was really cute! What happened to the baton twirlers and the kids in gymnastics?

    Maybe the horses should be in the front of the parade, they sure can clear the way for everything else! Guess that wouldnt be good for the people walking.

    -- Posted by Disgusted on Tue, Dec 11, 2007, at 1:26 PM
  • Haha.. I have to agree Disgusted!!!

    What about the Indian/Hispanic (or whatever it was) dance? lol.....

    Oh and those cloggers were funny...

    -- Posted by darrick_04 on Tue, Dec 11, 2007, at 1:37 PM
  • To American Woman , I happen to be friends with the woman who was in charge of the parade . I think she done an awesome job getting everything together . Has it ever crossed your mind how much time she has put into this ? How much time was spent away from her family ? Only for people like you to put it down ! Until you have done half of what she has you have NO RIGHT to criticize ! Merry Christmas

    -- Posted by Kaylees mom on Tue, Dec 11, 2007, at 3:23 PM
  • you have NO RIGHT to criticize ! Merry Christmas

    -- Posted by Kaylees mom on Tue, Dec 11, 2007, at 3:23 PM


    When American Woman as well as the rest of us take our Saturday night to go fight the crowd to watch the Parade in the first place we do have a right to criticize! The "12 Days of Christmas" rap song was disgraceful/disrespectful.


    I bet that little Indian guy still got cold by the end of the Parade! I liked the Cloggers, I would have fell off trying to clog while moving....

    -- Posted by Disgusted on Tue, Dec 11, 2007, at 3:37 PM
  • As a second year judge for the parade in Shelbyville, I am honestly surprised to see the lack of horse involvement in the parade. With the Celebration being such a large portion of your economy, I would think that horse themes and horse participation would be welcomed.

    I would like to applaud the Shelbyville Junior Chamber for this huge undertaking. To be more specific, Tiffany Stephens has chaired this project with such professionalism and enthusiasm.

    To the people that have great ideas to improve or enhance the parade, contact the Shelbyville Jaycees. I'm sure your help will be appreicated.

    -- Posted by TNJC69Pres on Tue, Dec 11, 2007, at 3:45 PM
  • I love the parade (even the advertisements)and I appreciate those who work so hard to get it together. There must be hours of planning and preparation that would take someone away from their personal life to do this. I have to say the rappers were a little "out of place" in the whole thing, but the horses ruined the parade for me as a parent. My 4 year old's favorite part of the parade is the candy, Santa Claus, and the horses. We always put her as close to the curb as possible for these items. When the horses came, I picked her up to get a more eye-level view...until we noticed what was going on. Not only could you see the alcohol being passed around, but you could smell it over the horses. Also, one of the guys stopped right beside us because he found a friend and told that friend to get up on his GD horse. Not once, but twice...and was very loud about it. My wife and I both yelled out at this time and he turned and left. I stopped the cop behind them on the parade route to tell him about the situation, but he seemed as unconcerned as some of the other idiots riding around this guy. A Christmas Parade is supposed to be a family event and should not have to carry a rating such as you would see on a movie theater billboard. We do not let our kids watch movies or TV with heavy drinking and foul language and would expect that people in the parade would have consideration of others.

    I also feel very badly for those that planned this event...they spend all these hours to plan something that is supposed to be "family fun" and then a few jerks ruin it...

    -- Posted by Christian Dad on Tue, Dec 11, 2007, at 4:06 PM
  • In response to American Women's posting - evidently I am the person without intelligence that chairs the parade. However, I am not an idiot and I do not choose who or what goes into the parade. Anyone that wants to be in the parade is allowed to be in the parade.

    The Jaycees have had several complaints over the last several years about horses being in the parade but since we are the horse capital of the world, we have tried to not punish everyone for a few people not knowing how to act. Until I read this blog, I had only heard positive comments about the parade other than a negative comment about the rapper, which we will make sure that doesn't happen next year.

    I don't know what advertising went on during the parade unless you are talking about the different people advertising their businesses. The parade is not something that is pulled together in a day's time..alot of time, work and effort goes into the parade. We all have full time jobs and the planning of this parade takes time away from our families. We do this for the children. We try to make the parade the best that we can. Again, we cannot control the people who don't know how to act.

    The police also took hit in this blog. However, the police department always works with us on the parade. They shut off the roads and work traffic. They cannot control people that won't use their common sense when in a parade.

    To address the comment about floats, we have no control over that either. It takes alot of time, money and effort to work on a float and most people are not able or willing to do it anymore.

    With all that being said, I appreciate all the comments and will use them to better the parade next year.

    Merry Christmas!!!

    -- Posted by hannahsmother on Tue, Dec 11, 2007, at 4:06 PM
  • Horse participation is welcomed! No one has downed the horses, just some of the riders. They should stay IN the Parade and not DRINK if they are going to participate. Its simple! With that many horses together and the road being slick like it was they should have ALL used caution. The few that didnt should not be allowed to participate next year.

    -- Posted by Disgusted on Tue, Dec 11, 2007, at 4:07 PM
  • Sorry, but I should clarify something I stated earlier. Not all of the riders were idiots and jerks. Most of the riders were having fun and represented the spirit of the parade well. I apologize to those whom I may have offended by making a broad and general statement.

    -- Posted by Christian Dad on Tue, Dec 11, 2007, at 4:09 PM
  • To hannahsmother: Thank you for all your hard work and sacrifice. Overall, I thought the parade was great…..I even liked the rapper. I didn't see the advertisements as a nuisance. If someone is willing to spend the time to put together a float, they should be able to pitch their business.

    It looked to me as if the police department had most of their resources involved in supporting the parade. I think they did as well as could be expected considering that they were busy with traffic control and responding to other incidents.

    Hats off to all who worked hard on planning the parade and to those who participated in the parade!....well that is excluding the "bad boys" that don't know how to behave in public.

    -- Posted by Rufus1321 on Tue, Dec 11, 2007, at 4:59 PM
  • First of all, Let me say that I appreciate our parade. I think it's a fantastic event in our city. However, I too was concerned with the horses as well as the spectators that were drinking on the side of the road. Now, I know the parade officials have no control over the crowd, but some people need to gain respect for others. My husband and I were there with our daughter and to think that these drinkers were going to be getting into heavy parade traffic terrifies me. I also think that it sets a terrible example that the horses are allowed to walk through the Pop-a-top lounge on the way back to their trailers. Yes, ladies and gentlemen, the horses went inside the pop a top...I saw it happening and I had to check it out.

    With a few immature exceptions, I think the parade was a success.

    Don't get me started on the rapping santa...

    -- Posted by keeleygraves on Tue, Dec 11, 2007, at 6:14 PM
  • Jackasses go in Pop-A-Top every weekend. They usually leave thier horses at home, that way they have more room inside!

    -- Posted by Disgusted on Tue, Dec 11, 2007, at 6:39 PM
  • their not thier!

    -- Posted by Disgusted on Tue, Dec 11, 2007, at 6:47 PM
  • I was on the square and a horse got spooked by a dog.I do not think people should bring their dogs to the parade unless they are actualy in it.

    The horses should not be close to the cars because if they do backfire it could scare them.The horses should not be banned because this is THE WALKING HORSE CAPITOL but the ones riding should NOT be allowed to drink!!!

    I actualy liked the variety this year.

    -- Posted by Cindy Munsey on Tue, Dec 11, 2007, at 7:39 PM
  • I know that horses a big attraction here in Shelbyville, but it is getting ridiculous when it takes almost as long just for the horses to pass by as it did for the rest of the parade all together. I remember the parade when I was a child some years ago and all the floats and clowns passing out candy. I even dressed up a couple of times as a clown. I appreciate the businesses that did participate, heck, I even like the rapper! It does take a lot of time and effort to put together the floats, but anyone who has ever watched a parade full of those things through their child's eyes can certainly appreciate them!! I remember being in high school and decorating the floats and having a homecoming parade, too. Do they still do that? All the elementary students were allowed to come out and watch as the parade went by. I didn't grow up with all the cell phones, Ipods, computers that my kids are, but they will never have the memories I cherish from my childhood. I hate that.

    -- Posted by titansfan on Wed, Dec 12, 2007, at 9:08 AM
  • I meant to say horses are a big attraction here in Shelbyville.

    -- Posted by titansfan on Wed, Dec 12, 2007, at 9:12 AM
  • Wow, when I wrote this blog I never expected so much response. It was my first time at the parade and I was expressing my appreciation as well as concerns. It is quite obvious that many people share my concerns and it seems safety issues associated with some horse riders drinking during the parade is probably the prirmary focus of concern for us. I am very appreciative of the dialogue that this blog ignited and I'm especially appreciative of the parade chairperson taking notice and being willing to consider the comments posted on this blog in planning next year's parade. Thanks for all the great comments. Sadie Fowler

    -- Posted by sfowler on Wed, Dec 12, 2007, at 10:13 AM
  • To titansfan:

    Shelbyville once had a homecoming parade; it was discontinued after a float ran over a student's leg, which happened around the time lawsuits began becoming much more common nationwide.

    -- Posted by David Melson on Wed, Dec 12, 2007, at 2:19 PM
  • Some people think they can handle a horse. My cousin is a trainer in Georgia. Has been for many years one of his twin girls was stomped to death by one of his horses. He wasn't drinking. I am so scared that will happen here if someone doesn't get a hold on the ones that have no reguard for the danger that can happen.If they have to drink stay home and let the families enjoy themsleves and not have to look out for them.

    -- Posted by Brenda Sue on Wed, Dec 12, 2007, at 6:51 PM
  • Do the riders on the horses have to pay a $20 entry fee to be in the parade? If so, there is the answer to why they allow them to do it. There are so many of them, it adds up quickly. Who benefits from the fees for the parade? I think they should set up a legal fund for the inevitable day that a horse runs over a child in the parade and they have a huge lawsuit on their hands.

    -- Posted by titansfan on Thu, Dec 13, 2007, at 5:53 AM
  • Is 20.00 the price of a serious injury of death? Or any price. Wake up Shelbyville what does it take?

    -- Posted by Brenda Sue on Thu, Dec 13, 2007, at 8:25 AM
  • To titansfan:

    In response to your blog, the horses only pay a $5 fee. We usually don't collect the fee from all the horses because they show up right before the parade starts. The ones that are doing the right thing are usually the ones that have paid the $5 fee before the day of the parade and the others are the ones that act irresponsibly. We find it hard to totally ban the horses when it's only a few that don't know how to act. However, because of this blog we are taking measures now to eliminate or at least control this problem for next year.

    In response to your question of where the money goes, the Jaycees use the fees from the parade to buy the candy that is thrown from Santa and our members and the rest of the money is used to help us buy Christmas presents for about 65 children (we get the names from the school system). (We run the haunted house for this reason too.) We are having our Christmas party for children on Saturday, December 15th at 1:00 PM at the Ag Center and anyone is welcome to join us and see where the money goes.

    Thank you to everyone for your comments. We want the parade to be enjoyed by our community.

    -- Posted by hannahsmother on Thu, Dec 13, 2007, at 8:41 AM
  • Hannahsmother,

    I posted this comment just a few minutes ago on David's blog, but I will post it here too, in response to your comments.


    I want to say thanks to the T-G for providing this forum for everyone to voice their opinions about the parade, the animal shelter, ebay and anything else you can think of. It's nice to have somewhere like this to vent.

    But, I hope that the parade committee takes all this with a grain of salt (except for the safety issues, of course)The parade is a wonderful event for this community. If the committee took every criticism to heart, then the parade would consist of one float with Santa Claus on it and that's it....but eventually someone would complain about that too.

    I appreciate the parade, the committee and all those who participate in it.

    By the way, Merry Christmas to all!

    -- Posted by pleasebenice on Thu, Dec 13, 2007, at 10:19 AM

    As for the drinking, I don't like it. I think it's disrepectful and dangerous. (not to mention illegal). However, it is not the parade committee's fault that someone is out there drinking and we shouldn't just dump the drinking problem only on the horse riders.

    -- Posted by pleasebenice on Thu, Dec 13, 2007, at 10:27 AM
  • Its nice to know that children are getting gifts that probably wouldnt otherwise! Maybe you should raise the $5 to $20 since the money is going to a good cause. That might also eliminate some of the drinking riders. Just a thaught!

    pleasebenice you are right about the drinking problem not being just the riders.

    -- Posted by Disgusted on Thu, Dec 13, 2007, at 11:06 AM
  • Our children have ridden for years. Their father rides with them and they all ride toward the front to stay away from the drunks. As I posted earlier our 18 year old did not ride this year due to Mr. Drunks' antics and we had decided earlier that it was too risky due to the weather to let our 12 year old ride since she hadn't ridden for several months. I love the parade and have never missed one that I can remember. I have either watched or been a participant. The Jaycees do an excellent job pulling it together. Like so many other things in Shelbyville we want to punish those who follow the rules and not deal with the real issue..........in this case an irresponsible adult who choses to disregard the law and the safety of those around him/her. IMO if the police would just be present where the horses are unloading and make a few rounds they could probably prevent most of the drunks from entering the parade. As the Jaycees collect the fee from those who have shown up, they could watch for drinkers and ask them to leave or request an officer to ask them to leave.

    -- Posted by Go Figure on Thu, Dec 13, 2007, at 12:23 PM
  • I just would like to inform any and everyone about a comment that was posted on the 10th that when a man got arrested in the old Bi-Lo parking lot it was not because he was out there trying to cause fights. The real truth on what happened was that he went up to the other person carried on a conversation with him and turned around went and stood behind a vehicle waiting for the parade to start. Yes he had been drinking but he was not drinking in public. What I don't understand is if he was looking for a fight with someone WHY didn't that guy call the police on him. I just think that some people just need to open there ears and there eyes and make sure they hear everything that is going on and not what they want to hear. Also to clarify the "From police reports" He never made any threats or even attempted to fight anyone. Yes he did become very belligerent and for that is because the police officers threw handcuffs on his wife when she had not done anything wrong. The sad thing about it is that a man got arrested for something that he was not even doing. Seems like to me that they took your side to me and did not give him a chance to explain his side of the story.

    -- Posted by jenns on Thu, Dec 13, 2007, at 2:54 PM
  • I saw it too. It did not happen like that.I was right next to the drunk mans car. When people are drinking they tend to be loud.The point is, We need to be able to watch a parade without the drinking and cussing. Some people don't carry on like that. There were 2 others that heard the same thing I did.Threats were made to cut tires and to stomp the mans wife in the Suv.He wasnt the only one being billy bad butt.A woman? with him was too. And at one time he set his beer on the trunk of his car before they moved and came back to see someone had parked in the space. you must be a friend of his.

    -- Posted by Brenda Sue on Thu, Dec 13, 2007, at 3:42 PM
  • Obviously you're a friend of this drunk, sorry for that....and if thats what you "saw" and "heard" then you must have been just as drunk as he was! I'm the one that called the cops on him to begin with. I was there with my family, parked next to this "bunch" and after they left and came back to see someone had taken their spot, some "woman?" said, "They're lucky they have kids with them." Then the drunk man and I guess his wife came back to see their spot had been taken, the man flew out of the car, barely able to stand anyway ready to take on any and everyone. He didn't go to jail for trying to tell his side, I doubt he was even able to form an understandable sentence anyway! I'm sure this wasn't his first trip to jail, nor his last. The point is....I DO KNOW WHAT HAPPENED, and it's nothing like what you stated JENNS!!! You need to get your facts straight!

    -- Posted by Angie Bush-Lee on Thu, Dec 13, 2007, at 4:05 PM
  • One more comment and I am out of this. It is a very good thing what the parade money goes for. However there need to be some strict guide lines before someone is hurt. You can't help what the people on the side lines do.That is up to our law inforcement.But you can the entries. Have a safe Christmas everyone. Thank You for the chance to express myself.

    -- Posted by Brenda Sue on Thu, Dec 13, 2007, at 4:50 PM
  • One thing I failed to mention to "Jenns" was that while I was on my cell phone calling the police, TWICE....he was taping all that was going on, so YES...I DO KNOW WHAT HAPPENED! Thank you and Merry Christmas Everyone, hope it's a safe one!!!

    -- Posted by Angie Bush-Lee on Thu, Dec 13, 2007, at 4:54 PM
  • No i am not a fiend of the person i am his daughter inlaw!!!! Its kinda hard for someone to drink if they are pregnant and only 20 yrs old! don't cha think. Mam you did hear wrong because our whole family was there and i have every bit of it recorded on video. Yes they did leave to go to taco bell to use the restroom and when they came back they just pulled in behind them and the guy of the suv got out and said i'm not trying to cause any problems but i will pull over and ya'll can pull beside us. They said no that's fine, none of us are going to be going any where for a while so i will just stay parked behind ya'll if thats ok. The driver of the suv said that's fine, they shook hands and walked down there with his family. Yes when you have been drinking you tend to talk loudly and i'm sure that he wasn't the only one around that was cussing and had been drinking. Now what you could of possibly heard about tires getting metioned was said "i'm getting tired of these dogs spraying the tires". And yes IT WAS HIS FIRST TIME TO JAIL AND WILL BE HIS LAST. Yes you are right the police would not let him say anything they took your word before even hearing what he had to say.Yes he was able to form a completely understandable sentence! Yes mam I DO KNOW WHAT HAPPENED AND MY FACTS ARE STRAIGHT!!!

    Why would you want to act like a billy bad butt knowing that your family is in the parade why would she jepordize that. And from what she tells me ya'll were staring at them the whole time anyways way before you even called the police so seems like ya'll were just wanting to get something started anyways. Thanks so much and have a wonderful holiday.JENNS

    -- Posted by jenns on Thu, Dec 13, 2007, at 4:54 PM
  • I meant to say "My husband was taping all that was going on with his cell phone."

    -- Posted by Angie Bush-Lee on Thu, Dec 13, 2007, at 4:56 PM
  • Well this is all interesting talk. If I remember correctly the last time someone was injured at the Christmas parade it was a young child I believe about 10yr old? And if you think I'm going to say it was because of a horse or one of those crazy retarded horse riders your wrong. If memory serves me the child was run over by a vehicle not by a horse. That would eliminate all the dangers except the drunks in the crowd and who knows maybe they would stay home. I am in no way trying to take up for someone who is drunk and acting crazy. I am trying to take up for the people on horseback. I did notice in the write-ups before me that no one was giving the guy in the muscle car a hard time. His car could have jumped into gear and crushed more people than a horse and it would have been faster doing it. Was he drunk as well????? OK so know we have concluded that the muscle car driver and the horse riders were all drunk and deadly. Let's get on the rapper. I'll bet he was on drugs because everybody knows rappers do drugs right????? He could have gone crazy at anytime and started killing people I just know it. What about the four wheelers and that modified mini-van. I know that the steering on that mini-van had to be altered. They could have gone out of control and ran some people over. Hmmm I wonder if they were drinking Sun Drop????? Let's not forget that funny ole jolly guy in the red suit. I think he was why the kid mention at the beginning got ran over (seriously) but not intentionally. I have always been afraid he would hit someone in the eye and do permanent damage with one of those hard pieces of candy.

    Let me talk about the guy ridding backwards. I know him extremely well. He loves kids and would do nothing that might hurt them and I know for a fact that he was not drunk that night. He knows his horse very well, even though he is not a horse whisperer. He did it because it made the kids laugh and even some grown up kids. He thought he was creating good memories for the kids but I'm sure after he has finished reading all the negative comments he will not be back in the parade. (One down next time you can start on that evil Santa. He's behind all of this I'm sure!!!!). If you had listened to him as he went by you might have heard him warning kids that got close to step back and watch their feet so they wouldn't get stepped on. When the parade stopped he allowed some kids to pet his horse but only those whose parents asked. If he was guilty of anything he is guilty of making people smile (well most people) during a time when no one smiles as much as they should.

    Well with that in mind I will say that maybe since it is so dangerous we should only allow people walking in the parade. That would eliminate everything except those run away drunks that might fall down on some poor child as they tried to blind them while throwing candy at them. Oh yes before I forget it let me get my two cents worth in on those bad slow police that love to interrogated people that call them. It seems that when my brother was a police officer he had to deal with people that called to report something but when he arrived to investigate the caller didn't want to be bother they just wanted some to be arrested. Notice I said investigate that involves asking questions to find out

    -- Posted by T-Mac on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 8:57 AM
  • Here is a link to the Daily News Journal in Murfreesboro about some problems they had with their parade. They have rules against throwing candy from floats. Only people walking can throw out candy. I wonder if they have horses in their parade?


    -- Posted by cordell on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 10:59 AM
  • In response to T-Mac...no one ever said that all the horse riders were drunk or even drinking, just that many people saw them passing a bottle back and forth. It only takes 1 bad apple to ruin the whole bunch and thats what happened. The guy riding backwards was amazing, and funny - I do hope he continues next year, and knowing he wasn't one of the ones drinking makes it all the better. Overall the parade was "good" although theres always room for improvement as far as safety goes. Anything could happen at any time, heck....while I'm sitting here in the safety of my living room, a plane could crash into my house, but I'm guessing the chances of that are pretty slim. Any time there is a group gathering there is always a chance someone could get hurt, but why increase those odds by allowing, or not inforcing, the no drinking and riding horses, driving muscle cars, mini vans, etc.,? Once again, Merry Christmas to all and God Bless.

    -- Posted by Brenda Sue on Fri, Dec 14, 2007, at 12:57 PM
  • I don't even know where to start on this issue, but first of all let me say my mother owns the Pop-A-Top. And I am defending her and the business itself here. For many years riders have ridden their horses through the bar after the parade. Most of these riders are customers of ours at the bar. Only 1 rider came through the bar this year that wasn't a customer of ours and we carded him on his horse before letting him come inside. We did turn away a few riders that had sundrop bottles with them. We do not allow any liquid of any kind to come in the pop-a-top, or to be taken out. We do not let minors on horses ride through the bar. We turned any away that were minors, even if they were on with a adult rider that was a customer of ours. We have been at the location on Madison Street for almost 6 yrs, and horses were riding through our bar when it was on Anthony road probably 10 yrs ago. I work at the Pop-A-Top and I can say, I dont consider myself or my customers as JACKASSES. MOST of the time our customers uses good judgement. I give rides to people that have had too much on a regular basis and the bar has paid out of their pocket for cabs for people who have had too much to drive. We continually tell people not to drink and drive. Yes you will always have that few that will not listen and will drive. But I guess you can call all the ppl that go in Legends, Chilli's, Ruby Tuesdays, they too serve alcohol. So for you to assume all people that go to the Pop-A-Top, talk to me in person or meet me and find out what kind of person I am, before you assume that of me. Alot of people that come to the Pop-A-Top drink coffee, cokes, even bottled water, are they also jackasses. All because they are looking to get away from the house and have fun? Hey maybe you need to come to the Pop-A-Top. And when ya come bring along some can goods, or maybe even a toy to help the needy families we are doing for this Christmas. Oh My Goodness, can you beleive it. A BAR BUYING FOOD AND PRESENTS FOR CHILDREN WHO OTHERWISE WOULDNT HAVE A CHRISTMAS. Oh lets not forget to mention over 100 cases of water the Pop-A-Top JACKASSES sent to the katrina victims. And all the fire victims that the Pop-A-Top JACKASSES have bought for. Yes it is a bar-tavern-saloon-beer joint-lounge, whatever ya want to call it, all of the JACKASSES at the Pop-A-Top have a heart in the time of need. So before you call names or put it down. Check it out and find out what kind of people run it and how it is ran. Also check out the Pop-A-Top's barred list. Probably 200 names. Anyway I'm a happy person, and am not mad or anything like that, just had to express my oppinion and had to stand up for my customers and my mother. She has worked hard to get where she is today and is one hell of a woman. Until u know her, don't judge her. Thanks and Merry Christmas to all of you!!

    -- Posted by fancy100999 on Sun, Dec 16, 2007, at 5:28 AM
  • -- Posted by fancy100999 on Sun, Dec 16, 2007, at 5:28 AM

    Youre right! I apologize for that comment, It was uncalled for...

    -- Posted by Disgusted on Sun, Dec 16, 2007, at 10:00 AM
  • Let me also add. Im one of those JACKASSES! I just dont have a Horse. Every time we come to Pop-A-Top we always have a good time and have never seen any trouble or fights. A little on the crowded side, but thats good business! The other place down the road leaves alot to be desired.

    -- Posted by Disgusted on Sun, Dec 16, 2007, at 11:46 AM
  • Fancy..although my "bar days" are over, I can say I used to go to Pop-A-Top occastionally, and I did always have good time, never had the 1st problem. I felt comfortable there, unlike the other place I went to at time which I won't mention....but you're right, for the most part Pop-A-Top does have a lot of good people and couples that are just out to have fun and not cause trouble. Way to go on the donations too, I had no idea ya'll did all that, God Bless!!!

    -- Posted by Angie Bush-Lee on Sun, Dec 16, 2007, at 7:39 PM
  • I also think that it sets a terrible example that the horses are allowed to walk through the Pop-a-top lounge on the way back to their trailers. Yes, ladies and gentlemen, the horses went inside the pop a top...I saw it happening and I had to check it out.

    With a few immature exceptions, I think the parade was a success.

    Don't get me started on the rapping santa...

    -- Posted by keeleygraves on Tue, Dec 11, 2007, at 6:14 PM

    Well I have already written on the topic of the ******* comment. lol. So now let me ask what part of letting a horse and rider come in the front door and go out the back door sets a bad example and for who. Their was no children at the bar. The only children I seen was a riders wife and her grandchildren standing out front in the lot waiting on her husband, who I might add, wasn't drinking alcohol. The whole time the parade was going on, all of the non drinkers at the pop-a-top were lined up on the sidewalk out front watching the parade, which we enjoy every year. Several drinkers even took a break to come out and enjoy it as well. Horses have been coming thru that bar for probably 10 yrs, it is the same thing as the rest of the horses and riders. Why punish the pop-a-top or the rest of the horse riders just because a few people dont know how to act in a christmas parade. And the gentleman that rode his horse backward, he was in front of the bar, and let several people, which were sober, people that come to the Pop-A-Top and don't drink, get on his horse and sit for pictures. I know 2 of these people very well. They probably have never even been that close to a horse, let alone sit on one. He made those ladies night. Thank you, you know who you are. You were a very sweet person for doing this.

    Now off of that subject. The Pop-A-Top does do alot at Christmas for kids. Some years we do more. It depends on how much ppl can give and how much we have done through the year for families that were in need when it wasn't Christmas. We pick our familes very carefully. We call to make sure they aren't being help by another agency. And we go all out. We are doing for 3 families this year. 9 children in all. We buy toys, a bike with helmet for each child, coats, clothes, food, and have went so far as to pay bills such as electric or gas bills. We do what we can. We have also raised money for several cancer patients in need of help. My mother (Pop-A-Top's owner) buys alot of this stuff out of her pocket too. Just thought I'd throw that in there. But the best part of it all is, Christmas eve night when we deliver the toys, clothes, food to all our families, it is the best feeling in the world. There is no feeling in the world quite like it. I enjoy doing that more than anything. Several years ago we did for a family, and when we went in to take the toys, the kids just sit there. We took the food, and they were ecstatic. On their cabinets in the kitchen was a sign that read The Lord Will Provide. They were crying, moma we got food. Talk about making ya melt.

    Most of the riders that come to the bar participate in the donations all year long to help all the kids and familes we do for. So i dont feel like we have anything to be ashamed of. Just because we carry on a tradition that we have done for 10 yrs. I don't see who or what it hurts, and I especially don't see who we are setting a bad example for.

    But most of all, be happy for what you have, alot of people have so much less than you. And some don't choose to have it that way. It just happens. Have a heart and be nice to everybody even if they may not wear the same brand of clothing that you do, or drive as nice car as you do, or live in a house as nice as yours, or most of all, what color their skin is. They are human and may just need a smile or a hello to make their day. Thanks alot and Merry Christmas again to all!!

    And I think the parade was a huge success. No matter what the float was or said or who sang, I enjoyed it all. They worked hard and are a part of our community. Way to go all of the participants. Well I will exclude the ones on horses that didn't know how to act in public. But lets not ruin it for the rest that show off their beautiful and well trained horses.

    -- Posted by fancy100999 on Sun, Dec 16, 2007, at 10:34 PM
  • I'm sorry, but I don't see what the big deal is if sober horse riders wish to use Pop-A-Top as a shortcut to the trailers. The only people who should have anything to complain about are the ones who have to clean up any "accidents" left behind inside the establishment. I'm just glad I don't work there to shovel horse poo, lol!

    I've outgrown my bardays as well. But, now that I know that the owners allow farm animals in the place, I'm kinda glad I don't patronize that place. What would the Health Department say about the cleanliness of this kind of place for public gathering? I hope they use lots of bleach.

    But, it's the owners' problems, not so much the customers'. Just remember, next time you want to hang out and have a drink, ask yourself how clean the floors are before you fall on them drunk off your rear. LOL!

    -- Posted by craftin_mom on Mon, Dec 17, 2007, at 6:39 AM
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