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Posted Sunday, January 16, 2011, at 6:38 PM

I see the city government is taking cues from our federal government. When the people balk at the idea of increased fees and/or taxes then the first step is threaten cutting services, this way maybe the people will be scared of losing these services and support paying these fees and/or taxes. Plus on top of cutting services city residents will have a property tax increase. Either way city residents, you better prepare yourselves to pay more. And let us not forget the six city employees that will join the many other residents that are already standing in the unemployment line.

I am sure that there is not any spending by the city government that could possibly be defined as "wasteful" and I am sure they have done an in depth evaluation of the city budget to prove this. I mean who would consider a city department purchasing full size four door trucks, which only have one city employee riding around in them to be wasteful? Have you seen this? Look around they are not hard to spot.

So how will city residents dispose of their garbage if the city ceases sanitation service? Well some may say they could hire a private service to do so, but I doubt you could obtain this type of service for $11.00 a month and the whole point was to avoid paying a fee for garbage disposal in the first place? I think the majority of city residents will take their garbage to one of the county's convenience centers. I understand that city residents pay county taxes and this gives them the right to use the convenience centers. However, I feel the convenience centers would be overwhelmed with the amount of extra garbage and would most likely exceed their budget for the disposal of it. So, how would the county government recoup the extra money? Well they may have to increase taxes or impose fees as well. While the city government is failing to balance their budget the actions they take could very well have an impact on all of the residents of Bedford County.


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There is a problem in shelbyville. I have lived here a long time. I also have had the understanding over this time that the garbage pick-up in the city is factored in with the property tax which has over this period I speak of increased many times. The members of city government has changed many times over this period. There have been many good people that gave a feeling of relief by being there, other not so good simply by leaving and still others who where asked to leave by the voters. The point of this is that I wonder why there are those that spend good money to get into a situation that is totally over their head and then forget the people they represent. In the last few years the people coming into city government have been suspect of not knowing what to do and when to do it. Folks are appointed to an office to take care of the business of the city and these people end up causing all manner of problems that cost lots of money to get out of. Money is spent for reasons that boggle the imagination and the thought of stopping garbage pickup could cause its own issues. This should alert the folks of shelbyville and even bedford county that the times are rough and will be that way for sometime. We need thinkers and problem solvers in our city government. At this time we don't have either. One can tell by the way this new city manager makes his statments and the members rubber stamp what he tells them. And it's remarkable what he has said. I feel that he needs to go on to something else that doesn't require a lot of thinking. There are ways to get the budget under control other than any one of those that has been mentioned. Bottom line is if we start down that road there will never be an end to it.

-- Posted by megalop on Sun, Jan 16, 2011, at 8:10 PM

If they can't fund everyday garbage pickup that was in the budget, how do they think they are going to finish the Bypass?

One solution would to be send the City Planning Department, its Officials and Officers and employees down the road to the unemployment office with the Mayor to gather their unemployment check, food stamps and eviction notices or foreclosure notices just like everyone else during this recession.

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Sun, Jan 16, 2011, at 8:50 PM

I really thought, with the 'new blood' on the city counsel, there would be reasonable people representing the good of the people. Man!! was I ever wrong! This seems to be a group of people that has let power go to their heads! I agree - we need intelligent, responsible thinkers. There is a lady on the counsel that I used to consider someone that cared about the citizens of this city, and I considered her a friend - not anymore. She has become very uncaring in my book and is easily persuaded by co-members. Mr. City Manager needs to realize that we are not a rich group of citizens. Our paychecks have not increased; cost of living continues to rise, but they think we can afford all the amenities that the counsel members and city employees continue to enjoy, plus increased taxes and fees that they want to dump on us. My paycheck is stretched to the point of almost seeing thru it! It seems that if one city department has a surplus, they splurge and buy things that don't seem to be necessities such as 4-door trucks for one person to ride in. And does it have to be new trucks?

If I am not understanding this, please - someone explain it to me.

-- Posted by ILoveRoses on Sun, Jan 16, 2011, at 9:03 PM

Eliminate the duplication in local government by going to a metro government.

City mayor and county mayor?

Police chief and Sheriff?

City council and County Commission?

City garage and County highway department?

City and County attorney?

-- Posted by quietmike on Sun, Jan 16, 2011, at 9:22 PM

People in Shelbyville will have to do what citizens in the county already do... take their trash to the convenience center.

Shelbyville / Bedford County should take a look at the way Cannon County operates trash collection. In Cannon County you drive your vehicle to the collection point and county jail prisoners help unload your trash from the back of your vehicle. Having the prisoners perform this service is a win for the taxpayer because they get something in return for housing and feeding the inmates, the children that come along for the ride on the Saturday dumpster run see what happens when people break the rules, and the Sheriff gets reelected for putting the inmates to work in such a highly trafficked location.

-- Posted by nathan.evans on Sun, Jan 16, 2011, at 9:59 PM

I moved here from a small town in Texas. They had so much trouble with people dumping garbage on the highways & back streets that they finally provided a dumping place where the citizens could take their garbage and their trash show their utility bill and dump their stuff.They also provided the large garbage containers on wheels for each household. The property taxes are higher here but we don't mind paying them because the town is so clean. Our friends who visit us tell us how clean our little town is and it makes me proud. I'm sure Councilman Landers and his supporters are making this move to show the complainers how bad it can be. My advice to you all is to pay the 11 dollars and move on.

Another matter I would like to see take place is street numbers on every building or home in letters and numbers large enough to be seen by emergency vehicles and other number seekers.

I would like to thank the city for a well done job.

-- Posted by swoosie on Sun, Jan 16, 2011, at 10:11 PM

My first thought was "WOW" it costs a half million dollars a year to haul off garbage!!! Why would they start that in the first place? Provide a couple of extra convenience centers, make the current convenience centers stay open where people can actually use them and roll on. I know that would cost a little extra, but I am sure there are some cuts that could be made to make up the difference.

Nathan,

That sounds like a good plan to me.

-- Posted by greasemonkey on Sun, Jan 16, 2011, at 10:17 PM

this mess with trash is crazy how do they expect people with out cars and on a fixed income take their trash off or pay some one to do it where do they think we are going to get the money o maybe not eat that day and save that for trash pick up or haul off i see a flat bed truck pass my house several times a week with 2 people in in and nothing in the back park that truck do something different than you are you are not making any sence with this stoping trash pick up

you people need to get real this town will have trash every where you look belive me it will be dumped in every dirt road and any place people can to get rid off it or will pill up all along the streets

-- Posted by aprince29 on Sun, Jan 16, 2011, at 11:02 PM

my understanding is that the city council has no legal way to make any binding laws and can only make suggestions on what needs improvements. they are supposed to listen to the people of the community and act upon what the citizens want, not what the city is trying to push on us. it has done been proved that the city and county taxes were designed to have this trash fee figured into them. but our little city and county government is going to lie about everything they do just so they can get what they want and not care about anybody in our town. if they really cared we would have some jobs here. thats the biggest thing that jamie williams wanted to talk about during his campaign, but him and nobody else is acting on what the people really need here in this town, and it sure isnt a tax rate increase or trash fee. i have 4 neighbors that are senior citizens, in there late 70,s to thier mid eighties. do you really think that they {and all seniors} can just jump in thier car every week to haul thier garbage to the dump? let alone being able to pick it up and put it in thier vehicle. i know this will surely get voted in somehow, but i will just get me a 55 gallon drum and burn mine and pay no fee.

-- Posted by kyhhfan1 on Sun, Jan 16, 2011, at 11:24 PM

by the way, the city council or city government is a totally different buisness than the shelbyville power company. how can the city tell the power company to cut off your power services? if my electric and water is paid and a trash fee is not paid, they cannot cut off power and water service. Its INHUMANE, and somebody is going to get a big lawsuit over this, and the loser will be both the city and the power service.

-- Posted by kyhhfan1 on Sun, Jan 16, 2011, at 11:30 PM

i also am going to keep an eye on the newspapaper to see how the council votes on this cutting off services ordeal whenever they have there next meeting. if it passes on the first vote, i am going to get in touch with news 2, thats messed up,and get them down here and let everyone see what a crooked little government our town has.

-- Posted by kyhhfan1 on Sun, Jan 16, 2011, at 11:53 PM

I agree with Nathan's comment . . . sounds like a great plan to me.

-- Posted by jaxspike on Mon, Jan 17, 2011, at 6:38 AM

Unique-Lies- The bypass work is being funded by federal grants from the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009

-- Posted by Rodney Simmons on Mon, Jan 17, 2011, at 7:11 AM

Hmmm the Al and Le Roy show does not seem so bad does it? Maybe they can go get a billboard in town that says "Miss us yet" :)

-- Posted by pokesalad on Mon, Jan 17, 2011, at 7:49 AM

I think people need to learn how to cut down on waste and recycle more.

This is shocking to me as the last town I lived it I was on the board to get curbside recycling to the residents.

I also think that you should be responsible for your trash even if that means you have to pay to have it removed. It was very generous of the city to pick it up in the time that we have lived here, yes I was shocked when I asked my Realtor about who I call for trash service, and she said no one the city does that.

Hopefully some of these people that can use a job will buy a truck and provide a small fee to collect neighborhood garbage. As it seems there is not a whole lot of other jobs in this town for folks.

Now I just wish they would be done with it and give us a final answer so I don't wake up 1 day with trash all over because they no longer pick up.

-- Posted by tamerajesch on Mon, Jan 17, 2011, at 8:05 AM

I also agree with Nathan.

People should be responsible for their own trash. I live in the county, so we have always taken off our own trash. And if you learn to recycle, you won't have as much trash as you think.

Also, I see a huge problem for the county when the city makes this ruling final. If the city residents start using the convenience centers, then that will cost the county more. Which in turn, they have to make up that money; which means that they will most likely go up on our property tax again. Which is not fair, because it is not our fault that people cannot take off their own trash.

-- Posted by PrpleHze on Mon, Jan 17, 2011, at 8:27 AM

If doing away with garbage pickup will save over $500,000, then can the counsel explain the reasoning for a property tax increase? And, as PrpleHze mentioned, over-loaded convenience centers would mean more trucks for them to dispose of the garbage from there, which would mean more county equipment, which would mean a higher county property tax. The people insides the city limits have gotten the double whammy all along for paying city and county property taxes. In the past when there was a need for additional revenue, they would just extend the city limits boundary. We were a victim of that a few years ago. Makes one wonder, what unthinkable thing will they do next.

-- Posted by ILoveRoses on Mon, Jan 17, 2011, at 9:17 AM

Nathan's idea sounds great but will everyone please remember those who cannot transport there garbage. Those who do not have vehicles and those who look upon the kindness of others to get there garbage to the curb as it is. Somebody THINK!!!!

-- Posted by truckindaddy on Mon, Jan 17, 2011, at 10:13 AM

I believe it would be a big mistake to cease garbage removal from the city budget. I would rather downsize the overall services of other departments. A hiring freeze, reduction (in Number) of city owned vehicles. Reduction in perks (such as having a personal vehicle for each police officer or paying for the gas that is used for personal transportation to and from work)some vehicles set in yards not being used for long periods of time. What a waste. Besides why should citizens pay the gas bill for all this extra personal mileage/vehicle replacements. I am not picking on any particular department since all can use some lost of some perks and unnecessary expenses. Cell Phone cost for employees not on duty???? Come on use common sense run our Government for the people not in spite of the people.

-- Posted by dipperdan on Mon, Jan 17, 2011, at 10:14 AM

If the bypass is completely funded by the federal grant, then it will be owned by the feds and Shelbyville will have no authority over it except repair and maintenance. If it is owned by the Feds it will go on the list of roads and property for sale to foreigners.

Irregardless, Shelbyville we have to Tax the people to "Get er Done!" completely. I've seen it happen too many times in the past.

I am now beginning to think the Bypass IS a good idea because it will take tourists and visitors around the town and dump sites all over town. They won't have to smell weeks of piled up garbage or see all the diseased children who have to walk by or play around the presents of such an abomination.

But why should your City care? Everyone is suppose to have Obama Care aren't they?

As for the trash pickup or no pickup I think the city isn't doing its job. We are expected to live on our salaries and pay increases in Utilities, Food, Taxes and yet the city can't do it?

I think it is time the Cities started pulling up their end of their campaign speeches. They need to do their jobs as promised or get out.

The Tennessee State Constitution says "we the people" have the right to exercise our sovereignty in Tennessee. We tell the City what we want, not what the city wants. If the city does away with the Garbage pickup, they would be breaking their oath of office to obey the voice of the people (which is a federal crime)

AND

what do you think they will do with the money they are saving, if they do? Half a million dollars? If the City stops garbage pickup, why in God's name would they have to raise property tax at all, especially if they are saving $500,000? Sounds like something sneaky going on! Someone is gonna line their pockets with your already paid up, federal reserve notes.

Ok, lets talk about dumpsters, (not the politicians, but the metal trash containers).

Several times the dumpsters are overrunning with trash and have to have an emergency dumping before the people can even leave their trash and garbage (which does NOT include many, many items that need to be discarded). You can't dump wood, fencing or wire nor a lot of construction materials nor hazardous waste like everyday water base paint.

The convenient Center I go to is usually packed full twice a week, sometimes more often. If city personnel use the facility, there won't be any dumpsters to put trash/garbage in. It will be a first come first served program cheating the regular customers out of their trash/garbage service centers.

The rivers, streams and ditches will be full of plastic bags polluting the city and county water.

Talk about opening pandora's box!

Maybe if everyone just stopped eating and buying things that come in packaging, we could eliminate a lot of waste?

aw, that wouldn't help. The city would just have to raise taxes to make up for no commerce spending.

Here's an idea!

Why doesn't someone with a lot of money put a "Peddler's Mall" in the old Walmart or Kroger building and let the people bring their trash in and sell it year round in out of the bad weather. People like "Flea Markets" and most of the stuff that sells at Flea Markets is just someone's trash or junk.

You build isles of Booths in the empty store and furnish electricity to only a few booths for extra money. Everyone labels their items so customer have to pay at a check out register. The vendors don't even have to be present.

I went in one in Elizabethtown, KY. It looked very successful and was exciting to walk thru and see all the items. Unbelievable!

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Mon, Jan 17, 2011, at 10:50 AM

I agree dipperdan, that if employees want cell phones and other luxuries, that should come out of their own pockets, not our tax money. But unfortunately, the government never regulates themselves, nor will they ever. There are lots of cuts that the city government can make (but won't) to save money. They need to treat the government check books just like normal people treat theirs. If you don't have the money don't spend it. If it is not a necessity, then don't buy it.

-- Posted by PrpleHze on Mon, Jan 17, 2011, at 10:52 AM

Do you think it is all a ploy? Maybe to get people to see if they wanted to stop the service they could? Just to make people beg for the trash fee?

I am thinking maybe that is the case here.... which really ticks me off more than the trash fee itself.

Reverse Psychology :I used it on my kids when they were little but I am not a child and do not appreciate being treated as one.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Mon, Jan 17, 2011, at 11:28 AM

I don't mind taking my trash--but I don't understand why every center can't be open every day and not close for lunch.

-- Posted by stardust on Mon, Jan 17, 2011, at 11:32 AM

I agree with Dianatn. It's almost like we are being held 'hostage'. Like I said before - power seems to have gone to their heads.

-- Posted by ILoveRoses on Mon, Jan 17, 2011, at 11:41 AM

I agree with stardust. If we have to haul our own trash and garbage, at least stay open so we can and everyday not just 3 or 4 days out of the week.

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Mon, Jan 17, 2011, at 12:29 PM

Considering the trash we see on the back roads now I hate to see how bad it will get in the future. To stop pick up will just cause more problems and in the long run end up creating higher expenses in other areas. There are people who will just hit the nearest back road and open the window and toss away..................... We were out for a drive a few years ago and stopped by a scenic overlook , while we were standing there this old couple in a nice car pulled up behind us , opened their trunk and just threw their garbage over the side on the mountain - we were dumb founded.......Today I would have the courage to speak up but back then I was very quiet and so shocked I just stood there and glared at their stupidity...They saw absolutely nothing wrong with their actions and did not even try to hide what they were doing.

One thing that would help with the volume of garbage would be to enact a bottle deposit law. This has worked great in other states. It won;t pay for the garbage pick up but it would sure help keep our area a whole lot cleaner.

-- Posted by wonderwhy on Mon, Jan 17, 2011, at 12:50 PM

Maybe that is what the City wants. People Littering, so they can fine them hundreds of dollars for littering to pay for something else.

Maybe it's a way to give jobs to the unemployed to pick up the trash along the roads.

Naw! People will just put their trash in the dumpsters behind the stores.

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Mon, Jan 17, 2011, at 2:09 PM

wonderwhy has a great idea. Well, if you add cans since most beer is either sold in colored bottles (not as easily recyclable) or cans.

-- Posted by Thom on Mon, Jan 17, 2011, at 2:12 PM

If you were owner of a company considering building a factory in one of two cities - one with garbage service and one without garbage service - how much of a bearing would that factor have on your ultimate selection?

-- Posted by bomelson on Mon, Jan 17, 2011, at 2:20 PM

I don't mind taking my trash--but I don't understand why every center can't be open every day and not close for lunch.

-- Posted by stardust

And not have their kin folks rummaging through the dumpsters all the time like at the one on Hwy 82 south.

-- Posted by quietmike on Mon, Jan 17, 2011, at 2:57 PM

The "bottle law" puts a 10 cent deposit on bottles and cans of items such as soda and beer ( not Milk and water ) when you return them you get your deposit back. In states I gone to that have it you can really tell the difference on the road sides. True it won't help with the other trash but is does take a big dent out of road side and park debris. It is also a great way for schools to raise extra money by asking for the donations of empties.

-- Posted by wonderwhy on Mon, Jan 17, 2011, at 3:40 PM

I want to challenge the citizens of Shelbyville to turn this negative trash crisis into a positive cash incentive. R_E_C_Y_C_L_E!! According to a study by University of Utah, the average person generates over 90,000 lbs. of trash during his/her lifetime. How much of that is reusable? I dare say 98%. I invite each of you to Earth911.com Did you know these items can be reused? Christmas lights, trophies, crayons, tennis shoes, bras and tin cans. Remember that hair was used to absorb oil during the BP spill. Think about how many tin cans are used by our schools, hospitals, jails and homes.

All counties around us have a place to recycle plastoc. Why not Bedford County? Take it a step further- bring in a plastic Recycler and create a few jobs or six. Calsonic and Alcan use plastoc pellets daily, and a new VW plant will start soon in Chattanooga. The market for recyled plastic is tremendous.

On Earth911.com there is also a website to benefit Animal Rescues and Groups. Why not Bedford Spay & Neuter Clinic. Beesley's Clinic accepts cans to offset their expenses.

This could be a valuable lesson for our children They already benefit from recyled paper. Why not other reusable products? Why not step it up for them? Save our planet, save Shelbyville. Stop using our tax dollars to haul trash from point A to point B. Recycle and Reuse.

Are we going back to 1950'-60's when everyone had a burn barrel in the back yard and gopher rats ran from house to house. Let's move forward Shelbyville- do our part to save our planet. Remember if you are not part of the solution then you are part of the problem.

-- Posted by ckna910 on Mon, Jan 17, 2011, at 3:59 PM

SORRY IF I UPSET ANYONE! LIKE THE SONG "EVERYONE DIES FAMOUS IN A SMALL TOWN" THIS IS SHELBYVILLE,TAKE IT AT FACE VALUE! I HAVE LIVED HERE MY WHOLE LIFE AND WOULD NOT MOVE ANYWHERE ELSE. IT DOES NOT MATTER WHAT THE PROBLEM IS IT IS ALWAYS SOMEONE ELSE'S FAULT. IF WE PAY THE GARBAGE FEE LORDY,THE NAGGING WILL START. 1)WRONG SIZE CANS 2)WRONG COLOR CANS 3)TO MUCH GARBAGE AND IT WILL COST MORE FOR THE CITY TO DUMP INTO THE LANDFILL. 4)OH NO! WE ARE STILL GOING TO RAISE PROPERTY TAXES:( IF OUR CITY COUNCIL AND A MAN THAT FOUND MORE GREEN GRASS SOMEWHERE ELSE AND CAME BACK TO TAKE THE CITY MANAGERS JOB BECAUSE THE PRICE WAS RIGHT WANTS TO MAKE THREATS THAT WILL HURT OUR ELDERLY CITIZENS THAT HAVE SUPPORTED THIS CITY FOR MANY YEARS MAY GOD BLESS THEM!!! I GO TO THE DUMP ANYWAY IF WE SEE SOMEONE THAT NEEDS HELP WE WILL TAKE THEIRS TOO! DON'T TAKE THE BAIT PROPERTY TAXES WILL BE NEXT ANYWAY! DOES THE CITY MANAGER LIVE IN THE CITY? DON'T THINK SO!

-- Posted by karmaquick on Mon, Jan 17, 2011, at 8:02 PM

what about the elderly and the disabled that have a hard time with their trash to the curb as it is??

-- Posted by 4fabfelines on Mon, Jan 17, 2011, at 8:19 PM

wonderwhy,

When I was a kid that was what we did. pickup bottle and take them to the stores to buy candy.

Those were glass bottles that could be sterilized and reused. The plastic ones today can be recycled but doubt anyone would pay a dime for them.

Oh yeah, we only got 2 cents per bottle back then. You had to get the BIG bottles to get a dime.

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Mon, Jan 17, 2011, at 8:47 PM

We (taxpayers) are already paying a vast workforce not to work.

Here is an idea!!

Create jobs to assist the taxpayers by placing able bodied people who are on public assistance into public service. This could be jobs at the convenience centers, recycle stations, or trash pick-up. If they don't want the job, end their assistance and give the job and money to someone who is willing to work for it.

-- Posted by Liveforlight on Mon, Jan 17, 2011, at 8:52 PM

We had newspaper drives also. Didn't make any money on them but schools must have.

You would be amazed at what earth worms can eat in a week. Paper, card board, lettuce, cabbage, egg shells, vegetables of all kinds and even federal reserve notes, lol.

Metal, aluminum, copper and iron can pay big if you have a lot but who has the time to sort it all and raise a worm farm.

I will not sort all my trash and put them in separate bins for someone else to make money on. Let them work for the money. I have to carry enough trash bags to the center without sorting it into several bags. I'm luck I can keep garbage bags in the house.

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Mon, Jan 17, 2011, at 9:02 PM

Unique, they don't "pay" you a dime for them, they return your dime deposit when you turn the container back in. The company then recycles the bottles and reuses them. The store that sell them take the returns and the delivery driver picks them up when he drops of new product. (you can return them to any store that sells that product).

-- Posted by wonderwhy on Mon, Jan 17, 2011, at 9:34 PM

You can bet The Housing Authority Complex will not have to worry. Hopey-Changey willl take care of this voting block. I personally already recycle a lot of stuff and everything i can compost goes in my composter. Gonna check in to an incinerator also as to posibble reuse of ashes. My mom and dad did and so can I. And I am all for paper rather than plastic bags. These decompose and make great dirt. If anyone wants a a list of stuff that will compost I can submit it. And as we continue to take care of all the non and un-americans it is only going to get worse for those of us who still try to go along to get along. So Shelbyville, enjoy our life while you can cause it is not going to get any better. And remember, inspite of anything we do to try and save here and there, Taxes are a constant and irregardless of what we do, they will be increased. The HAVES will have, and the HAVENOTS do with out. But have faith. Two weeks a year during horseshow we will be a spotless town. I have lived here for seventy years and believe me, we are not the town we once were. And 5 years from now, we won't be what we are today.

-- Posted by cherokee2 on Tue, Jan 18, 2011, at 12:58 AM

wonderwhy

That's right. It has been so long since I cashed in bottles I forgot about the dime added to the cost of the drink. Of course I was just a youngster back then.

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Tue, Jan 18, 2011, at 1:56 AM

Think it is time our leaders looked at how much money is wasted and not make quick acts of stupidity.

I know we all have seen the waste that goes on from city and county. How many of their vehicles have you seen setting running for hours, department employees riding around doing nothing, 6 or 8 employees watching a couple work. Don't get me wrong services are needed but you have a minor wreck or emergency call and they roll out half or more of police and fire dept. Every thing done comes at a cost leaders must be aware or made aware of the cost.

May be we should like at going to a metro government to combine offices and cut waste.

-- Posted by johnnyreb on Tue, Jan 18, 2011, at 11:28 AM

I think that there are many other services/costs that could be cut before trash removal. I believe it is a scare tactic, or worse, someone thinks this is actually the best idea.

I remember some time ago the council put out another hated ordinance about signs. It was so poorly done and fraught with obvious politicking that every member of the council was voted out of office at the next election.

So, I say to the council a couple of things:

1. I'm paying attention.

2. I vote.

-- Posted by johnmicah777 on Tue, Jan 18, 2011, at 8:30 PM

I just saw this in the classified ads. How can we afford to hire help at the rec center when we are so far behind in the budget? We are going to stop collecting trash, but continue to keep people on staff at the rec center? Seriously?

The Shelbyville Parks and Recreation Dept. is

seeking applicants for the position of part-time

Receptionist for the

Recreation Center.

Applications may be picked up at City Hall on Tuesday, January 18, 2011 and must be

returned to City Hall, 201 North Spring Street by Monday, January 24, 2011.

The City of Shelbyville is an equal opportunity

employer and does not discriminate with regard to race, age, sex or

disability.

Betty B. Lamb,

City Recorder

-- Posted by johnmicah777 on Tue, Jan 18, 2011, at 8:34 PM

The city would be better off financially also if a certain judge didn't dismiss most of the cases that came through his courtroom. Many dollars are thrown away in fines that are lost for no apparent reason. For each ticket that is thrown out, that is court cost that the city lost.

-- Posted by sunflower36 on Tue, Jan 18, 2011, at 8:58 PM

Nathan....folks in the city pay city AND county taxes, part of which is supposed to pay for trash pick up. Liveforlight.......agree 100%!!!

-- Posted by titansfan on Wed, Jan 19, 2011, at 8:31 AM

By paying city and county taxes, city residents are paying for city government and county government expenses, city and county law enforcement officials, city and county waste disposal, city and county road upkeep, city and county fire protection, and the list goes on and on. Maybe a metro government would be the answer. If our city and county governments were combined, it seems that would eliminate the double taxation.

-- Posted by ILoveRoses on Wed, Jan 19, 2011, at 9:12 AM

I understand everyone's comments, but I mostly agree with dipperdan on the "after hours" events such as: driving city/county vehicles home, even if home is a great distance in the county; cell phones for city/county officials. We should also remember the disabled and elderly folks who aren't able to take care of their own garbage.

I don't know what the answer is, but I do know that it hasn't been found yet by our city officials.

-- Posted by VOLFAN63 on Wed, Jan 19, 2011, at 10:10 PM

Here are some advantages of a Metro Gov.

Why Should A County Consider

Consolidation?

Both proponents and opponents of local government consolidation

brandish a substantial list of reasons to support their positions. Yet,

experts agree that consolidation has the potential to offer at least the

following advantages.

An economic development edge: Having a consolidated

government allows the community to react quickly to proposed

economic development prospects. Instead of having to deal

with two or more governments, prospective businesses have

one point of contact. Business and industrial prospects like

the idea of licensing and inspection offices under the authority

of one government. There's less red tape. Also, cooperative

countywide planning and zoning is an economic development

plus. When Augusta and Richmond County in Georgia

debated consolidation in 1995, one consolidation proponent

said the merger would result in 10,000 new jobs in five years.

Voters of those jurisdictions overwhelmingly endorsed the plan.

Economies of scale: Combined purchasing power and

efficiency can result in taxpayer savings. For example, public

works operations can share machinery, personnel and

equipment. Consolidated law enforcement departments may

find themselves with the ability to fund additional patrols. A

small city may find itself better able to offer services that weren't

cost-effective before.

Less duplication: Cities and counties many times fund

similar operations, such as road building, fire protection and

solid waste services. With consolidated government, one office

would replace two or more.

Government accountability: One unified government is

easier for voters to understand than several local jurisdictions.

This increased visibility may better focus public attention on

governmental operations.

Harmony: One government will eliminate some discord, such

as annexation disputes, and local planning and zoning issues

may be more readily resolved.

First Things First

The initial step toward

consolidation is the

creation of a

metropolitan government

charter commission. The

charter commission can

be formed by one of the

following three methods:

1. the adoption of a

consolidation

resolution by the

governing body of a

county and the

adoption of a

similar resolution by

the city with the

largest population

in the county;

2. by private act of the

General Assembly;

and

3. by a petition signed

by qualified voters

of the county, equal

to at least ten

percent (10%) of

the number of votes

cast in the county

for governors in the

last gubernatorial

election

-- Posted by johnnyreb on Thu, Jan 20, 2011, at 10:28 AM

Want to read more on a Metro Gov. go to this link

http://www.tn.gov/tacir/PDF_FILES/Growth...

-- Posted by johnnyreb on Thu, Jan 20, 2011, at 10:29 AM

Just watch,If they do away with pickup and save the half million,they will spend it on something else.Look how things have worked in the past.The lottery was voted in for higher education.They ended up using money from it for pre K etc,then cut the state funding for the difference.I could go on and on as the same thing has been done in local Gov countless times.The city just needs to step up and do whats right.Im sure they could make cuts in each department to continue current service.Metro is NOT an answer.It would kill schools outside the city limits because of lower inrollment.Cut the Rec center funding and sell it to the YWCA.Problem solved !!!!!!!!!!!

-- Posted by mytaxesaremine on Thu, Jan 20, 2011, at 11:41 AM

If you come out to the country you'll find those who think garbage service is rolling down the window and tossing their mess out along the road, I was outside today and some low life passes the house and throws their bottle out on the road, is it ignorance or are they just that low life-trashy????? I don't understand the mind set of people who would do such a stupid, lazy thing......What makes them think others want to go behind them and pick up their nasty trash????? Sorry needed to vent - but really it is an ignorant mind set to think that it is ok to do that.......

-- Posted by wonderwhy on Thu, Jan 20, 2011, at 11:28 PM

mytaxesaremine,

Your comment is an epic 'FAIL" on so many levels.

Going Metro would not effect enrollment (inrollment as you call it) of the schools because there is only ONE school system in BC.

Cut the Rec Center funding? Sell it to the Y? Do you have ANY concept how ridicululous that is? The rec is one of the few points of progressive thought in this community. It improves quality of life for ALL residents, addresses the need for a place of indoor physical activity for a population that's in dire need of it, and provides employment for those with varying skill levels, ranging from professional to janitorial.

And FYI, the YMCA does not travel small towns looking for city facilities to snatch up at a bargain. The town most likely lacks the population to support a large, private facility such as the Y.

-- Posted by gottago on Fri, Jan 21, 2011, at 10:10 AM
John Carney
At the time the Rec Center was being built, there actually were negotiations with the YMCA about leasing and operating it, and the Y was quite interested. If I recall correctly, there was some sort of legal problem -- some policy of the YMCA's that's fine for a private organization but wouldn't be legal on government-owned property, and the city didn't want to break up the Park Complex by selling the facility outright. Maybe someone remembers this better than I and could jump in with the details.

Going to a Metro Government is all about consolidating city and county offices and services. It also cuts out gray areas and excess or duplicate services. It also creates more buying power in purchasing equipment and services. Look at it this way if you have two groups doing similar jobs but now you can do it with one group, it is a no brainer. Not saying it would be easy to change but would be a good step in to streamlining our city and county services. It would benefit city and county residents.

Don't get me wrong it will ruffle some feathers because it would cut out some cushey positions and some high horses will lose their reign of power.

-- Posted by johnnyreb on Fri, Jan 21, 2011, at 1:20 PM

And when Bedford County goes metropolitan, how do you propose we pay for trash pickup in every corner of the county? Where are all these tax dollars that are to be saved going to come from? People in the county will want a full time fire department near their houses too, so we will need to hire some firemen. You will still need the same amount of school teachers and police officers to cover the same size population. By the time you bring the county services inline with what Shelbyville currently receives, you will have spent far more money than you saved combining a few offices together. Surely you didn't think that you were going to combine the city and the county into one political entity and only offer the best services to a select few.

-- Posted by nathan.evans on Fri, Jan 21, 2011, at 3:28 PM
John I. Carney
Just to clarify, state law allows metro governments to provide services like trash collection to some parts of the county but not others. When you form a metro government, you designate an "urban services district" -- usually, it's roughly comparable to the city limits prior to adoption of metro. Everything outside the urban services district is the general services district. The metro government can designate certain things like trash pickup as urban services and provide them only within the USD -- but those items are accounted for in a separate budget, and property within the USD is assessed a special tax to fund that budget.

Gottago, I feel you do not understand.Talk to a School Board member about Metro Schools and its funding for different schools in a county.I realize we are under the County system.It works better than a city-county system for sure.Under a Metro CHS would get the bulk of the funding.You smaller schools would suffer.FAIL ? I just said what I thought.You did the same and I respect you for it.

-- Posted by mytaxesaremine on Fri, Jan 21, 2011, at 9:24 PM

We here in shelbyville need a recall vote on Shelbyville city councial.

Ten we need the city Maneger to step down he has no idea what he doing.

We need to make them take pay cut's all of the higher ups stop buy new police cars and stop let them go home with the officers they get payed enought to drive there own cars to work and home.

we dont need a asstant police cheif and we dont need a major no one else around has one.

We need to stop fall and spring clean up to to save money as they say it cost a lot each year.

bottom line here the city will not do what right with the people in office right now.

-- Posted by airforce one on Sun, Jan 23, 2011, at 11:40 AM

We dont need a mayor he does nothing but serve as a tie braker in city votes and he over payed as he does not have to be in the office and it a part time job he way over payed.

Or polive cheif is over payed that is for suer if he not at Krogers buy food he at Walmart doing it or he at his clean up shop but where he needs to be is in his office 8 houres a day doing his job and not some one else as for the assitnt i hear he never there dont need him or the so called Major they have no one around has one chefs way of not doing his job as he admits he dont know watts going on he has to check into it no way to run the police dept.

hope the good people of Shelbyville wake up.

-- Posted by airforce one on Sun, Jan 23, 2011, at 11:57 AM

We dont need a mayor he does nothing but serve as a tie braker in city votes and he over payed as he does not have to be in the office and it a part time job he way over payed.

Or polive cheif is over payed that is for suer if he not at Krogers buy food he at Walmart doing it or he at his clean up shop but where he needs to be is in his office 8 houres a day doing his job and not some one else as for the assitnt i hear he never there dont need him or the so called Major they have no one around has one chefs way of not doing his job as he admits he dont know watts going on he has to check into it no way to run the police dept.

hope the good people of Shelbyville wake up.

-- Posted by airforce one on Sun, Jan 23, 2011, at 11:58 AM

I hear the Shelbyville houseing atthorty is going to charge every one $30.00 for trash pick up as some tenates are talking abought not right if they did not want to pay the city $11.00 wher do they thank people have to pay $30.00 because they say so sounds like Herhel Ttrasher go a problim here his big mouth.

-- Posted by airforce one on Sun, Jan 23, 2011, at 12:05 PM

I hear the Shelbyville houseing atthorty is going to charge every one $30.00 for trash pick up as some tenates are talking abought not right if they did not want to pay the city $11.00 wher do they thank people have to pay $30.00 because they say so sounds like Herhel Ttrasher go a problim here his big mouth.

-- Posted by airforce one on Sun, Jan 23, 2011, at 12:06 PM

We here in shelbyville need a recall vote on Shelbyville city councial.

Ten we need the city Maneger to step down he has no idea what he doing.

We need to make them take pay cut's all of the higher ups stop buy new police cars and stop let them go home with the officers they get payed enought to drive there own cars to work and home.

we dont need a asstant police cheif and we dont need a major no one else around has one.

We need to stop fall and spring clean up to to save money as they say it cost a lot each year.

bottom line here the city will not do what right with the people in office right now.

-- Posted by airforce one on Sun, Jan 23, 2011, at 12:07 PM

the parks are over staffed now tey dont need all these people.

all Shelbyville cares abought is the Horse show what little money it generates very few see any of it restrants ,hotels ia abought it not the average guy on the street.

Shelbville puts on a big act as look how well were doing for thos who come here for the horse show that are out of town well its time it stops and the vast of the horse owners here dont care eather as long as they get there way and get what they want and its like the city does its best to do what they want never saying no so whos pickink up there trash this year ope it not the city or they have a problem with the community.

-- Posted by airforce one on Sun, Jan 23, 2011, at 12:59 PM

I agree with ckna910.

I have a family of 4 and we go through 1 bag of trash a week. We recycle everything that we can.(plastics, paper, glass, aluminum, etc.) Since we live out in the country and do not have a garbage disposal, we have a compost. So this creates less trash. Yes....it takes a little more time, but it is worth it in the end. :-)

-- Posted by honda14 on Mon, Jan 24, 2011, at 3:24 PM

mytaxesaremne,

I owe you an apology. I did not carefully read the part of your post about the school and commented bases on something you did not say. When I read it, I overlooked 'funding' and jumped to enrollment. My fault and I'm sorry.

My opinion still stands on the part about the rec. The Y is strongly membership driven whereas most city facilities, while offering and most definitely have a preference for memberships, have a significant 'daily' usage population. Most Y's don't operate that way. Our city facility being leased to the Y is not a good fit.

-- Posted by gottago on Mon, Jan 24, 2011, at 9:43 PM

Gottago,You owe me nothing.Thats what makes this country great.You can say what you want,and not worry about it.If you believe in something stand up and say it.That way you can't say you said,or did nothing to make a difference.

-- Posted by mytaxesaremine on Tue, Jan 25, 2011, at 8:58 AM

"LOOKS LIKE WE NEED MORE TEACHERS IN SHELBYVILLE"

-- Posted by knitwit6819 on Tue, Jan 25, 2011, at 9:02 AM

Felenig bteter aoubt yuor slef now?

-- Posted by Midnight Rider on Tue, Jan 25, 2011, at 12:03 PM

I have lost all faith and hope in our city leaders. DO as we all do in our personal lives.

BALANCE THE CITY GOVERMENTS BUDGET AND MAKE CUTS THROUGH THE WHOLE BUDGET. I KNOW THE CITY HAS A LOT OF WAISTFUL SPENDING. YES, AND LOTS OF WAYS TO CUT SPENDING. WHAT IS A CITY MANAGER FOR???????????????????????????????????????? TO MAKE A BUDGET AND BALANCE IT. FOR THE CITY RESIDENCE. Any body can ask for more money.

Shelbyville should take lessons from one of our former city residents which govner Prentics Cooper. we can learn from history.

-- Posted by gary ashley on Tue, Jan 25, 2011, at 12:16 PM

Like i have said stop police cars from going out of Shelbyville to the home's of officers that live out in the county and i heard 1 in lewisberg a total 6 cars every week.

Cut pay to the higher ups in city Goverment.

Stop spring and fall clean up as the city said it cost a lot to do every year.

Fire dill he has not one idea as to what he is doing fire city counical they dont know eather.

As for the Mayor he does nothing highley over payed i was told it a part time job by his secatary.

As for the rec. dept. no new hires live with in your means

trash 3 trucks 9 employees not 6 why are the drivers still on the pay roll they need to go to.

-- Posted by airforce one on Tue, Jan 25, 2011, at 1:38 PM

Ther needs to be a meeting at one of the schools so every one can come and talk not in the city court room dill dont want to hear us the same as the city councial they jusst want to run over every one and tell us what we have to do i dont belive any of them they lied to us once and they still are.

-- Posted by airforce one on Tue, Jan 25, 2011, at 1:46 PM

Ther needs to be a meeting at one of the schools so every one can come and talk not in the city court room dill dont want to hear us the same as the city councial they jusst want to run over every one and tell us what we have to do i dont belive any of them they lied to us once and they still are.

-- Posted by airforce one on Tue, Jan 25, 2011, at 1:53 PM

To the good people of Shelbyville this trash issue

has gotten out of hand i am disabled its hard for me to go shopping for food and pay my bills as i am sure there are a lot more like me here.

What iam trying to say we need to fight the city

and the rich people that run it remember the rich dont care abought you only them selves its always been that way so stand up and be heard.

Maybe we need a spacial election to get them out these people in city Goverment all they do is spend and spend.

All so look at law suites that been filed aginst the city and the county.

All i ask is for you to thank then act its your right.

-- Posted by airforce one on Tue, Jan 25, 2011, at 2:08 PM

Ther needs to be a meeting at one of the schools so every one can come and talk not in the city court room dill dont want to hear us the same as the city councial they jusst want to run over every one and tell us what we have to do i dont belive any of them they lied to us once and they still are.

-- Posted by airforce one on Tue, Jan 25, 2011, at 2:12 PM

Actually, The city council is listening to their constituents. What you think is your majority, might not be the majority they hear from.

airforce one,

I don't feel they are lying. I feel they are doing what the majority has asked them to do.

Regarding the article, Why is the emphasis on letting the six sanitation workers go now? What happened to workforce attrition? Or is that now supposed to be a guilt trip because people don't want a new trash fee?

When it was proposed before, they stated there would be job loss but that the workers would be absorbed into other positions within the city. Now that has suddenly changed? Weird circumstances, if you ask me.

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Tue, Jan 25, 2011, at 7:14 PM

Anyone who believes that a majority of the residents of Shelbyville are in favor of dropping the garbage service that we are paying for thru taxes, is very wrong. I have asked at least 200 people what they are in favor of, and all have said the same thing "Cut spending!!!". This issue is not about sanitation service, but about the council and the Manager balancing a budget that went out of control a long time ago. How long have we been in the red? Why are we there? How can we justify spending $20,000 to tear down a house that doesn't belong to the city? Why not track down the owner (the last one who paid taxes) and make them pay? Why spend $13,000 to repair a truck they are going to sell that probably won't bring that amount anyway? This appears to be wasteful spending by a careless group of people. The new city council members are just following the old city councils ways. I hoped for change with the new blood, but all can see we didn't get that!!!

-- Posted by Concerned Citizen II on Wed, Jan 26, 2011, at 7:53 AM

Some thing to thank abought bedford county and Shelbyville trash incinerator plus a landfill to put the burnt trash sell it to the farmers.

just thanking out loud its not a bad idea at all.

-- Posted by airforce one on Wed, Jan 26, 2011, at 9:00 AM

First off let me say I live in the county and I HAVE to take my trash off myself. The one thing that I am hearing is lot of this and that, the fact remains that the City of Shelbyville citizens have not seen a tax increase in over 15 years. That leads me to believe that the people are spoiled like little rotten children. If you remember the old saying "you live, die and pay taxes" those are a given. Now one blog said something about having no faith in our government. I agree because we SHOULD NOT put our faith in man,government, and especilly not even ourselves I really think thats the norm for this day and time. Look at our children and what we have modeled to them the PEPSI generation "get it now and pay later" "we deserve it" attitude. Is there an answer I say YES its a wheel tax but "hold whats you got there" that would make 90% of Bedford County citizens unhappy. Even if the city, county, state, and fedreal government quit taking out taxes all together we would still complain why you ask because WE ARE NEVER SATISFIED with anything WE LIVE IN AMERICA WE DESERVE IT!! if we were really shown what we deserve it would terrify us. Now lets talk about our police, fire, EMS workers. Thank GOD ALMIGHTY that we have people who are willing to risk their life EVERYDAY to protect us while we sleep. If the citizens knew what went on in the quiet little town of Shelbyville they would vomit! and if the citizens knew what these guys were paid they would be ashamed. Theses people work many hours where NO COMPENSATION is paid why? because they LOVE their PROFESSION! the people that complain about the police officers are either mad because they wanted to be one or they are too scared to admit it. The things that our emergency workers RUN TO everybody else RUNS FROM. So I say we should all be THANKFUL that we are not in some third world country wondering when or if you will ever eat again. GOD has blessed ALL OF US well beyond what we deserve PRAISE GOD FROM WHICH ALL BLESSINGS FLOW!

-- Posted by blitzburgh on Wed, Jan 26, 2011, at 9:37 AM

to blitzburg,

the city and county taxes we pay already have the trash figured into them. so why is it right for our city to charge us 2 times for a service we already pay for? why do you think that its right for police or other emergency workers to take their emergency vehicles home with them? 1 city officer that i know of lives outside the city limits almost on the marshall county line. i live in robinson addition across the street from wal mart, and thier is a city detective and a county police officer living within 3 blocks of each other. on southside, lafeyette st, there is a county officer and an unmarked police car with only 1 house between them. our government said having vehicles being seen in neighborhoods would cut down on crime, but yet in our neighborhood thier was house broken into? i am sure its not the only neghborhood either.it cost the taxpayers money to supply fuel for the vehicles, along with paying the upkeep from oil changes, new tires, and having to pay for new vehicles and repairs when they wear out. so do you think this is right? what about all of our emergency vehicles being seen all over town at grocery stores and wal mart, or resteraunts, with our city and county employees, on the clock, are out shopping and not taking care of business that needs to be taken care of. can you tell me when you have seen any police doing thier jobs? i only see them out at night, you never see them during day time.i myself think the cops are scared of thier job too. why does it take 2 police cars to stop a vehicle for a speeding ticket? boo hoo its cause they are scared! is it right for anybody to be taxed more because our government messed up everything in the budget? maybe our property taxes needed to be raised years ago, but thats not the fault of the citizens is it? so you think its right to let the city just stick it to us? as far as getting something now and paying later, we all have too, because we cannot afford it on 8 dollar an hour jobs, especially when we have to drive 50 to 100 miles or more a day for work, and gas prices are so high that almost all of a paycheck is spent on gas to get to work. shelbyville dont have any jobs, and our city leaders are not getting us any jobs.

as far as us deserving anything, we deserve our city council and any government to listen to the citizens for what they want and need, not what the government wants to push off on us because of what they messed up with. that is what the city council is for, is to listen to the needs of our citizens and act on our behalf, not the behalf of the government. i am not saying that we can afford to do away with being taxed, but we dont need to be taxed out of stupidity from our government messing up. the citizens of shelbyville, and bedford county did not mess up, but our government sure did, and expect us to bail them out.

how would you like to be a senior citizen, or disabled, and not have trash service? it is very hard for them to get thier garbage to the curb, and would be more of a problem of having to take it to the dump. i bet my 85 year old neighbor couldnt even lift his garbage into the trunk of his car.

and you have thought very little of the seniors and disabled peple that are on a fixed income that cannot afford the trash fee, and even if they use the city transfer station, it will cost them. seniors and disabled people cannot afford to live as it is. and what about the un-employed? they cannot affor it either. and right here in our little sleepy town of shelbyville people are going hungry, because we have no jobs and are being taxed to death. i have 2 friends that are diabled. 1 has cancer, and did not have medical insurance when he was diagnosed, and cannot pay his doctor bills. the state will not approve tenn care, and the feds have only approved a dissability check and wont let him get on medicare until 2012. my other friend is deaf and has diabetes and a messed up leg and feet and can hardly walk. he does have his medicare and a dissability check. both of these 2 people are living on less than 700 dollars a month. my mother is 70 years old and i am unemployed living with her. she only gets 857 dollars a month and sure can tell you the supper table gets pretty bare at times.

all of the seniors have worked hard all thier lives to have what little that they own so they could have a peaceful retirement. but yet they get a little pittace check every month and can barely make it by. so do you think that paying this garbage fee will help them? if you had to go thru what they are enduring, maybe you will see that nobody is so blessed at all!

so next time before you speek, put some thought into the citizens.they are the ones that pay the taxes that pay for our police,ems and city and county officilas that are doing nothing for you but taking away everything that you work for.

-- Posted by kyhhfan1 on Thu, Jan 27, 2011, at 3:21 AM

Math 101: City saves 500,000 County Costs rise to 700,000 Where's the 200,000 Dollars difference coming from? Out of our pockets!!!

-- Posted by ckna910 on Thu, Jan 27, 2011, at 11:30 AM

kyhhfan1, I hope the council members read your comment. They sure won't listen, but maybe they can read. My (and your) city AND county taxes are covering the perks that have become an expected amenity for those employees. In all the jobs I have had, my boss N-E-V-E-R supplied me with a vehicle to and from work, a vehicle with fuel furnished, paid time to do personal errands while on the job, a phone, meals, special discounts, etc. Why are they coddled anyway? If they don't like the job for what it is (without perks), then they can look for another, can they not?

Like I have said before, city residents are hit with a double whammy, paying for both city and county services. Since our tax dollars are used for salaries, special perks, etc., can we not be considers as secondary bosses for these employees?? If we could, I think many of us know where we could begin the cuts.

-- Posted by ILoveRoses on Thu, Jan 27, 2011, at 1:08 PM

Further affirming what I suggested would happen in my original post, Highway Superintendent Stanley Smotherman has spoken out and stated that the extra garbage dumped at the county convenience centers by city residents that would no longer have garbage pick up provided by the city, would in fact cost the county additional money. According to his estimates the cost could be as much as $700,000 for the first year. Do you think the county has this money laying around in an account waiting for a rainy day? I highly doubt it! No the county commissioners will be forced, by actions of the city council, to come up with a way to fund this extra cost. Who will pay? county residents! Prepare for either higher property taxes or a trash fee of our own to cover this additional cost, if the city council approves to discontinue sanitation services.

-- Posted by Rodney Simmons on Thu, Jan 27, 2011, at 5:33 PM

i love roses... i sent letters the city mayor,county mayor,the city council, along with a personal letter to lee roy cunningham when all this debate came up about this trash fee. my letter contained 50 ways for them to save money so we wouldnt have to pay for this stupid trash fee. i will say i know at 1 time there was at least 1 person that listened to my concerns. lee roy cunningham stood up before the council and read to them my letter that i sent to him. it was even stated in the paper that a concerned citizen wrote a letter and was read aloud to all of them. and you were right... none of them listened, except for lee roy and he really tried to help us all. he wrote me a personal letter and explained to me that all they wanted to do was screw around and play and have fun, and lee roy didnt like what they were doing either. so now i hope everyone knows that the council that is voted in at the present time is the ones to blame for our problems. so the next time they run for office, everyone needs to vote them out.

and i would like to express my feelings about sam meeks and jamie williams. i know both of them personally, and i knew jamie would not care or come thru for the citizens, but i am really ashamed of sam and the way he has turned out.

-- Posted by kyhhfan1 on Thu, Jan 27, 2011, at 11:22 PM

I really expected good things from the 2 new guys. Apparently they are like a certain woman on the council, easily persuaded on the voting. By the way, when can we vote again for city council members? Not soon enough for me!

-- Posted by ILoveRoses on Fri, Jan 28, 2011, at 8:36 AM

I would vote all of them out and kyyfan1 in!... and a few others on this thread.You all have some very good ideas!

-- Posted by anniesmom on Fri, Jan 28, 2011, at 5:53 PM

anniesmom.. thanks for the vote!!!!

have you ever heard the expression that "cool heads and common sense will always prevail" ? those on the city council have no qualifications in either!!!

-- Posted by kyhhfan1 on Sat, Jan 29, 2011, at 1:25 AM

blitzburgh- Thanks for defending our Police, Fire, and EMS. It blows my mind how people talk so much trash about them. They are very under appreciated!!!

Airforce One, Im not really sure what kind of income you think the police officers have, but i can assure you its not what you think! Ever notice that all the cops work AT LEAST 2 jobs? Sometimes 3 even.

-- Posted by PrayUntilSomethingHappens. on Sat, Jan 29, 2011, at 10:31 PM

I have said noting abought the fire dept or EMS what say abought the police i mean they are parked out in the county not in Shelbyville aas far as they work two or three jobs there no better then any one else that has to now days.

I gss the police chief is in the same boat if you be live that my friend you would belive anything

you miss it police cars are bought by the city by our taxs and the Gas and tires and repaires not by them nor the chief who said they help protect the coummity by going home with officers If that is so being out in the country how is this protecting anyone in Shelbyville.

And just to inform you when i worked i used my own car for work not no company car When i worked at the bread company in Murfreesboro i did not drive home a bread truck eather so thr police are no better then i sorry you thak they are onr the chief of police when he lied cost are down in the police dept.

ps i do thank we have a good police dept but i all so know some of them and there ok.

i am talking a bought wast herew that is all.

-- Posted by airforce one on Sun, Jan 30, 2011, at 7:02 AM

Sorry my spelling not good some times but had a strok three weeks befor christmas and died on the 21 of december brought back then rushed to St. THOMAS hospital i been fighting every sence ill never give up in what i belive in so i thak the TG

only way to voice my opion.

same to you i respect yours Prayuntilsomethinghappens.

-- Posted by airforce one on Sun, Jan 30, 2011, at 7:18 AM

I found out to day at church we At SHELBYVILLE HOUSEING WILL HAVE TO PAY $22.00 A MONTH THEY SAID NO TO $11.00 A MONTH TO THE CITY OVER TRASH PICK UP NOT EVERY ONE IS BEING TOLD AT THE SAME TIME ABOUGHT THIS AS IF ITS A BIG SECRET WHOS PAY FOR THOES WHO DONT PAY RENT,water,gas,electric if they thank we dont have a voice in this i thank there wrong like the city they are imposeing there will on the people not right now we pay rent you have to pay for cable$23.95 yard$5.50 each month and they do nothing in the yards in the winter months but you pay the same.

Its not the money but they are acting like the city we have to mini rules to live by here its like being in prison.

-- Posted by airforce one on Sun, Jan 30, 2011, at 2:52 PM

I agree with what everyone says about take home cars, but what do you dod about the people in housing that live there because they REFUSE to work. They dont have a problem with living off OUR tax dollars (not all do this). Some are having kids like litters of puppies just to hold on to what they have. The many things that are beyond comprehending is how someone who is bi-polar can get on government cheese and part of their diagnosis is they cant work again because they cant be around people. We all could sit here all day and say this and that but the fact remains we will look at the speck and not the log, we will fit the laws the meaning of it and conform whatever into what we want it to. We have allowed so many things to fester up in this country and its OUR fault for not standing up many years ago. The plain and simple truth is start with the Garden Of Eden thats where it all began and it is still very evident everyday. We will get mad about taxes but we will not say anything about sin or call anyone out on their sin because its none of our business. We never grasp the fact that someone elses sin may be what takes your life or your childrens life. We have to be brokeN over the sin in OUR OWN LIFE AND THIS WORLD.the city officers are comissioned by the State of Tennesee so their jurisdiction may be the city but they are an officer OF THE STATE OF TENNESSEE so they are sworn to uphold the law of the STATE....... AND THAT MEANS COUNTY TOO.

-- Posted by blitzburgh on Mon, Jan 31, 2011, at 7:49 AM

Blitzburg you are right on some things as you see them i see aome things in a differnt light. Thats were talking abought things ends up most of the time doing whats right for all.

now abought thoes who live in houseing and dont work they schould be made to do public service of some type i all so know that some are sick and cant i have no proplem with that as i am on ss and money is close after rent and all the exters here and Meds, oxygen, now extera pay out $22.00

means less food here i hope your not in the same boat as i and wish you the very best health.

-- Posted by airforce one on Mon, Jan 31, 2011, at 12:52 PM

I applaud Ms. Holland and Ms. Pruitt for their actions at the council meeting last night. We the people do feel mislead and lied to. As to Mr. Landers comment that he "did not care about that anymore"- I want to know what you do care about. You were elected to serve the people. And the account referred to is TAXPAYER"S MONEY!

-- Posted by ckna910 on Wed, Feb 2, 2011, at 10:28 AM

Well -- imagine that! Council members didn't really do a full study of the situation and apparently Mr. City Manager didn't either. So what other areas are our tax dollars being misused and thrown to the four winds?

There was one comment made last night that I totally agree with (for me, personally), and that is, which ever one said it , you're right, I do not trust any of them anymore and really wonder if they are any longer qualified to hold a seat on the council. If they really didn't study this (or any other) situation thoroughly, why should we think they are doing what is best for our citizens and our town? Is it just a power thing?

-- Posted by ILoveRoses on Wed, Feb 2, 2011, at 11:17 AM

If the city nor county can not cut their expenses, to stay on their budget, how do they think we can live on our budget if they keep stealing money out of our budget to finance their misuse of funds?

Not only that. but a property tax on our personal home is a violation of the Tennessee State Constitution.

Article II,

28. Property taxation; gross receipts tax; income from stocks and bonds

...For purposes of taxation, property shall be classified into three classes, to wit: Real Property, Tangible Personal Property and Intangible Personal Property.

Real Property shall be classified into four (4) subclassifications and assessed as follows:

(c) Residential Property, to be assessed at twenty-five (25%) percent of its value, provided that residential property containing two (2) or more rental units is hereby defined as industrial and commercial property; and...

(The Tennessee State Constitution goes on the inform home Owners that the Legislature shall provide a refund of property tax paid through payments by the State, but Counties, Cities or Towns didn't have to.)

The Legislature shall provide, in such manner as it deems appropriate, tax relief to elderly low-income taxpayers through payments by the State to reimburse all or part of the taxes paid by such persons on owner-occupied residential property, but such reimbursement shall not be an obligation imposed, directly, upon Counties, Cities, or Towns.

Then the U.S. Constitution states in

Article VI - Debts, Supremacy, Oaths,

Clause 2:

This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.

(this means all state Legislation must be in compliance with the U.S. Constitution.

Also we have Article I, Section 9, clause 4:

No capitation, or other direct, Tax shall be laid, unless in Proportion to the Census or Enumeration herein before directed to be taken.)

In the 16th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution we see a contradiction:

"The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several states, and without regard to any census or enumeration."

This does not apply to a direct tax because it must be proportioned to the census to apply. So... the 16th Amendment is just giving another definition of the indirect tax, not the direct tax, so it is constitutional as written, but does not give Congress any new power of taxing the people.

Here is the law that proves the 16th Amendment does NOT apply as a new Direct tax;

1916: Brushaber vs. Union Pacific Railroad, 240 U.S. 1. Established that the 16th Amendment had no affect on the constitution, and that income taxes could only be sustained as excise taxes and not as direct taxes.

"...the proposition and the contentions under [the 16th Amendment]...would cause one provision of the Constitution to destroy another;

That is, they would result in bringing the provisions of the Amendment exempting a direct tax from apportionment into irreconcilable conflict with the general requirement that all direct taxes be apportioned;..."

The simplest laws:

"Where rights secured by the Constitution are involved, there can be no rule making or legislation which would abrogate them." Miranda vs Arizona, 384 U.S.436 p. 491

"ALL LAWS WHICH ARE REPUGNANT TO THE CONSTITUTION ARE NULL AND VOID." Marbury vs Madison 5 U.S. 137, 174, 176

In the U.S. Constitution, Article VI, Clause 2, we see that "This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof;... shall be the supreme Law of the Land;"

The 16th Amendment was not made in pursuance of the U.S. Constitution, but contrary to it, so the 16th Amendment is Null and Void as a part of the supreme law of the land.

16 A Am Jur 2d, Constitutional Law, 818 Definiteness or Vagueness of Laws, Regulations and Orders, states: "It is a general principle of statutory law that a statute must be definite to be valid."

So, where is the law that gives the State, Counties, Cities and Towns the right to tax home owners who live in their homes and don't rent at least (2) rental units out or use them as commercial property?

The State doesn't know just how lucky they are that the people don't know the law, the constitutions nor their rights.

The Cities or Towns, Counties and States want to threaten the people with an increase in property tax to get more money from the people or eliminate services and don't give a thought to having to return all the money they stole illegally thru Ignorance of the law. Talk about Bankruptcy!!!

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Wed, Feb 2, 2011, at 2:47 PM

knitwit6819---- your rude behavior towards airforce is out of line. His message is just as important as any other on here, if it is not presented perfect to you is not why we are here.What is important is that his voice is heard. I have a family member who is dyslexic and because of the attitude of people like you who feel it is your duty to nit pick the details and bury the message he is to self conscious to voice or write his opinion to others, he is very smart and has a lot to offer, but cruel actions such as yours towards airforce had stopped him form risking such reactions if his presentation is not perfect. Perhaps in the future you will consider the reason for the imperfections and the way your imperfect behavior effects those your attacking. Yes we may need better education in this town, and some needs to be in personal relations.

-- Posted by wonderwhy on Fri, Feb 4, 2011, at 3:47 PM

How does the city manager figure that a trash fee would have to be $18.00?

Back in 2009, when a trash fee was first proposed, it was reported that Shelbyville collected trash from 6800 residential customers and a couple hundred businesses. Our former city manager said at the time that a $9.00 trash fee would bring in around $63000 per month, so he must have been figuring about 7000 people being charged the fee.

Assuming the number of households in Shelbyville hasn't changed much in a year and a half, and if you add everyone who lives in apartments and trailer parks, well over 7000 people would be charged the trash fee.

If my math is right, 7000 people x $18/month = $1,512,000 per year, or almost twice the entire sanitation budget. Am I missing something?

-- Posted by Richard on Sun, Feb 6, 2011, at 6:40 AM

Good point Richard!

Know matter what they would charge us it would not make any difference. They waste what is spent now so how is collecting more going to solve the problem?

We must work with in a budget any be accountable for it. That means manager and supervisors doing their job. I have seen this to many times the mind set is if we don't spend our budget each year then we get less the next year that is what is usually the issue. They need a real working budget and cut the fat period! Nothing else will work!

You can't keep turning a blind eye to these problems and waste.

I am sure council members are somewhat educated so start using it and quit bickering between yourselves. Anyone can point fingures and lay blame.

I have a question for all members of the City Council.

"What is the real reason you wanted to be a member of council?"

Is it power?

Is it prestige?

Is it for the money?

Is it for the perks?

Is it to give you something to do?

Is it for the people?

Is it to see Shelbyville flourish?

-- Posted by johnnyreb on Mon, Feb 7, 2011, at 8:48 AM

Good point Richard!

No matter what they would charge us it would not make any difference. They waste what is spent now so how is collecting more going to solve the problem?

We must work with in a budget any be accountable for it. That means manager and supervisors doing their job. I have seen this to many times the mind set is if we don't spend our budget each year then we get less the next year that is what is usually the issue. They need a real working budget and cut the fat period! Nothing else will work!

You can't keep turning a blind eye to these problems and waste.

I am sure council members are somewhat educated so start using it and quit bickering between yourselves. Anyone can point fingures and lay blame.

I have a question for all members of the City Council.

"What is the real reason you wanted to be a member of council?"

Is it power?

Is it prestige?

Is it for the money?

Is it for the perks?

Is it to give you something to do?

Is it for the people?

Is it to see Shelbyville flourish?

-- Posted by johnnyreb on Mon, Feb 7, 2011, at 8:49 AM

Well put johnnyreb i would say the first four hit the nail on the head.

If the city would take a good look at its self and how it spends money like it water and it free

they see its not free some one has to pay and some of the dum things they do like the old house they tore down was not there's to take down but cost $10,000.

Like letting Police car's go home at nite or day with the officer's.

Who pay's for there up keep we the tax payer's

Austin Swing crying we need this and we need that

we had money but now we dont some one in city Goverment need's to tell him to live with it as every one else is

we the people here have a right to voice what we thank and demand the city to do it not what they want and there are some on city councial that relly need to go when they say i dont care.

-- Posted by airforce one on Mon, Feb 7, 2011, at 9:06 AM

Mr. Swing you need to go to Macon Georgia where they have police cars still in service for over twenty years Shelbyville dont need new cars every year and new equipment to.

you might check out Germany's police cars they have the same equipment as we here in the states all in V.W.'s to solve your problem is easy live with in your means as do the people of Shelbyville do but you all dont know what that means its time we get people with the brains and know how to run or differnt depts in owr city

and not hand picked people like the city manager ,city police,city council.

People who relly know what there doing and know how to save a dime not just spend and to buy equipment cheaper and just as good with a better warnity on there products.

This is just more and more spending like the parks

cut back its bad times all over not just in Shelbyville, Tn.

Stop supporting the Horse show if the horse people want it here let them spend there money they got money for what they want HUMMBEES BIG SUV'S and they can pay to have there GARBAGE huled of to not the city

Do y0u get the picture yet it's call CUT BACK.

-- Posted by airforce one on Mon, Feb 7, 2011, at 10:10 AM

Can we put johnnyreb and airforce once on the city council immediately? At least they are putting real thought and possible answers to the situation. My automobile is over 8 years old and I do not have the means for the constant upkeep and maintenance as do those people that drive city and county (paid for by our taxes) automobiles. I know I don't put as many miles on my car, but still, I don't buy a car just because it may have aged a few years. So, how often are new patrol cars bought? Is it just when they decide they want them, whether they are beyond use and repair or not?

-- Posted by ILoveRoses on Mon, Feb 7, 2011, at 10:55 AM

I can remember when worker's white and blue collar worker's a like were asked to to take pay cuts even the air line's and people went a long with it while they still worked it help then and people still had a job.

So the city needs to ask all not just some to take a pay cut untill our city gets back on it's feet the same thing would help the county.

Also do more cuts in buying close the parks two or three day's a week.

Make the police cars when not in use stay at the police station there no miles put on a car that not moveing and the miles out in the country and back would mean less miles less gas less wear on tires and less break down's.

If city council would look at the hole picture they could save a lot and some times repair cost less then new get bids on all work done for the city not use just there friends that do that type of work they save money.

I have tried to tell you good people of Shelbyville that our Goverment needs to be cleaned up they need to work for us not us for them.

-- Posted by airforce one on Mon, Feb 7, 2011, at 10:12 PM

As far as police cars go a lot of cities run the cars 24/7 and have a few spare cars to use during breakdowns and routine maintenance. The draw back is they have to be replaced more often but then again they are used for patroling all the time and not used to shuttle officers home and to work.The upside is you don't have as many cars to keep up.

If the police dept. wants to save money they can turn off their cars when parked or sitting. I have seen many time cars sitting for hours running. Even limit the amount of personal sent to accidents, don't get me wrong I know they are needed but not half of the emergency personal at an accident someone should be able to make that call when on the scene.Have seen this many times. As always there are ways to save and still do a good job. I don't think we the people or asking for to much just for everybody to do their job and over see their deptartment like it was your money you are spending!

-- Posted by johnnyreb on Tue, Feb 8, 2011, at 9:32 AM

I read thru the blogs above again today. One thing I see common to most of them is the people in the county see us in the city as "spoiled" because we want our garbage picked up and don't want to pay MORE for it. After the city council takes this service away from us and we start taking our garbage to the convenience centers (which will certainly strain the county refuse budget), and the county imposes a fee for ALL to pay and another tax increase to help support the extra garbage being taken there, maybe then the county residents will see what the complaining is about. This service is not something the city is doing to "be nice". It is a service that has been paid for and funded all along. The city council members need to think about the promises they made to the public when they ran for the office. Granted, some have been in office soooo long they can't remember the lies they told back then, but the newest members should be able to. Find out why we are in so much debt that supposed intelligent people would even suggest doing this!! Let's get an independent council in here to do an official audit for the past 10 years. You would think Mr. Dill would have wanted this before he took office. We really need to find the cause of this problem before we attempt to throw money (and the citizens) at the problem.

-- Posted by Concerned Citizen II on Thu, Feb 10, 2011, at 12:45 PM

To: concerned citizen 2- how can we get an audit done? Petition?

-- Posted by ckna910 on Thu, Feb 10, 2011, at 1:35 PM

This is more than just people crying about their trash pickup. It is about the taxes in which we pay for these services which looks to be mismanaged. It is about accountability of each service and departments.

You can not keep spending it if you don't have it to spend.

The city council needs to look at the whole picture and make hasty actions. No one said it would be easy but cuts will have to be made in all areas not just cut out one service in general.

Even if we did pay a fee for trash pickup a year from now we would be in the same boat with a short fall.

I thought audits were done to keep things in check, what happen?

-- Posted by johnnyreb on Thu, Feb 10, 2011, at 2:07 PM

I just passed by the gas pumps on East Depot where the City/ambulance/etc get gas and there was a GOGGIN truck filling up. Can someone explain this to me? 5:15 pm 2/10/2011

-- Posted by ckna910 on Thu, Feb 10, 2011, at 5:25 PM
John I. Carney
Those pumps are owned by a private company that provides what are called fleet fuel services. Any large organization with several vehicles can set up an account with them as a customer -- whether it's a government, a non-profit agency or a private company. If you see a city vehicle fueling there one day and a private company's vehicle fueling there the next, it just means that both the city and the private company have accounts there.

I don't know much about that particular company, but in general one of the benefits of fleet fuel services is that using such a system helps to prevent fraud and abuse. The driver must swipe a card and enter an odometer reading in order to activate the pump. In some cases, in organizations where vehicles are driven by more than one employee, there are even two cards that must be swiped -- one that stays with the driver, one that stays with the vehicle. The provider generates a monthly report documenting how much fuel each vehicle bought and when, and sometimes even working out the gas mileage for each vehicle based on the fuel purchases and odometer readings.

In the past 20 years or so, stricter environmental regulations on fuel tanks made it a lot less cost-effective for some organizations to own their own tanks, and fleet fuel services became more popular.

It's good to be on the lookout for waste, fraud and abuse of taxpayer money, but one of the downfalls of an anonymous forum like this one is that it's easy for people to make (or hint at) allegations against specific people or companies without having any of the facts.

Now i see why it cost so much to run the parks here a heated pool cost a lot and its not used that much in the winter and dont say we need it for ems tranning that will not flot.

what abought the truck fill up on fuel where the

city / Ambulance / get gas maybe city council or the mayor or dill knows why.

I believe the state needs to come here to check the city books a compleate audit then tell the people were our money has gone.

we will find out tonight how much studing has been done by our city council seeing they did none befor this all started and is it not the city Managers job in the first place along with the city council.

And is it not the Mayors job to try to find new jobs for Shebyville and not lay at home when he is not in his office thats what the old Mayor told me her job was.

-- Posted by airforce one on Thu, Feb 10, 2011, at 6:47 PM

CKNA 910

May be you schould ask Sam Meeks abought a Goggin truck filling up at the city ambulance gas up.

As Mr. Meeks is a Assistant Manager with Goggin

warehouse and a new city council Member i find that very interesting i like to know the answer to that to.

-- Posted by airforce one on Thu, Feb 10, 2011, at 8:07 PM

To: CKNA910

I am not sure if a petition will do it or not. If enough concerned citizens express their displeasure and disgust with the actions of the board, maybe they will listen. It has been said that one of the new board members said" taking away the trash service from the city will have the least impact on the city than anything else we can do". I don't think they have thought this through. With no trash service, people are more likely to throw the sales receipt out the window rather than taking it home and putting it in the trash. More people will begin to burn their trash in metal drums in the back yard, making it smell and look like we are back in time 70 years ago. And what will the city itself do with their garbage? They create vast amounts from all of the offices on the square, where and how will they manage?

-- Posted by Concerned Citizen II on Fri, Feb 11, 2011, at 7:17 AM

Good point, Concerned Citizen, about the trash from the city offices. They will probably just contract a private individual. But that individual will have to be paid, so where will that money come from??? From our tax dollars, of course. Government offices won't be hurting in any way, so they aren't worried with it. They will probably bring their trash from home to be picked up by that individual and paid by our tax dollars.

-- Posted by ILoveRoses on Fri, Feb 11, 2011, at 8:55 AM

All they are doing is passing the buck. Instead of facing the problem they are washing their hands of it and making the county officials deal with it. Seems it is time for a Metro Govt since it apparently seems kosher for them to do this.

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Fri, Feb 11, 2011, at 11:19 AM

If any one wants an audit of the city by the state of tn you can call 1-800-232-5454 and talk to them i have.

-- Posted by airforce one on Fri, Feb 11, 2011, at 11:22 AM

Here is away to stop some of the crap being dished out. This should cut out at least half the bull and save money in the long run.

Start a Metro Government by a petition signed by qualified voters of the county, equal to at least ten percent (10%) of the number of votes cast in the county for governors in the last gubernatorial election. Which want take many to qualify for this being hardly many people ever vote.

-- Posted by johnnyreb on Fri, Feb 11, 2011, at 12:41 PM

Johnnyreb your right i'll sign it.

we need to get the people together and start a Petition.I am all for it how much will it cost at the paper to get a notice for people to come and sign a petition.

-- Posted by airforce one on Fri, Feb 11, 2011, at 1:24 PM

You can do an a website with petition software then just hand out the URL information to the citizens of Bedford County.

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Fri, Feb 11, 2011, at 10:47 PM

I am LMAO the Mayor sure we can meet with the county then call's back an hour later ops sorry we cant do that, you might want to talk trash and we are not reddy.

First of all the Mayor dont run Shelbyville,the city manager does so why dident he call Mr. Ray back and tell him?

they need to talk there trying to stick the county with the trash and it will cost them more.

The people need to get there money back from there tax's that the city charged them this year for trash service but there not talking abought that eather.

Like i said we got a bunch of smart people on city council four are the cauce of the problem

hollan,Rose,landers are the big problem on city council.

-- Posted by airforce one on Sun, Feb 13, 2011, at 2:21 AM

Shelbyville used to be a first-class town-Walking Horse Capital of the World. People came from all corners of the Earth to spend a few weeks here and enjoy themselves while spending Money. Industries flourished and residents were PROUD. A few years ago Horseshow Cancelled because of Animal Abuse. Calsonic And Sanford are basically gone. Look at who is working at factories that are left.

Shelbyville is becoming a Third-class town. It didn't even go from 1st class to 2nd. I am appalled at the action of City Council. Why can't you meet with County Commission? Are you so ASHAMED of your decision that you can't talk about the impact it will have of the County? You are being irresponsible.

I will be more than happy to add my name to petition. The people of Egypt stuck together and ousted a dictator and it is time for the people of Shelbyville to stand up to the city council here!!

-- Posted by ckna910 on Sun, Feb 13, 2011, at 4:17 AM

Yeah CKNA910- I agree with you. The Horse Show will be the next to go. How much revenue will we lose then?

-- Posted by perkim on Sun, Feb 13, 2011, at 11:35 AM

Oh, they will just keep raising taxes and bleeding the citizens dry while more and more jobs (if any are to be had) are given to foreigners. We won't be able to afford to live here with what the current governing bodies of this town and county want to do. Have they really taken a good look at the local economy and realized that paychecks are not growing, and we have had to make many sacrifices for our families, and our own, well-being? Have they realized how much we are now paying for utilities, food, fuel, and other Necessities in order to get from day 1 to day 2? I'm sure their paycheck is much more than mine.

-- Posted by ILoveRoses on Sun, Feb 13, 2011, at 12:52 PM

Article 29 of Shelbyville City Charter states "To make all reasonable regulations to prevent the spread of Contagious diseases within the City, and to make and enforce regulations to PROMOTE SANITATION, Health and General Welfare of the inhabitants of the City" How is stopping trash pick-up promoting sanitation, health and general welfare. I believe it is a willful violation of the City Charter.

-- Posted by perkim on Sun, Feb 13, 2011, at 1:40 PM

perkim, I just wonder how many elected council members, past and present, city managers and mayors, have ever read the Charter before even running for office. If they did read it, apparently they didn't understand it.

-- Posted by ILoveRoses on Sun, Feb 13, 2011, at 2:14 PM

Evil Monkey if you know how to setup the online petition go ahead and do it. I tried to download it but for some reason it would not download. Or send a link to the one you were talking about.

-- Posted by johnnyreb on Mon, Feb 14, 2011, at 7:20 AM

Are there any lawyers out there who will take this case Pro Bono and let's sue the council members, the city of shelbyville and the Mayor and City Manager. They are only interested in passing the problem off to someone else (first it was the citizens directly, then the citizens thru the county) Why can't they stand up and do the job we elected them to do? They make a lot of money for the time spent on making these bad decisions. Get the petitions ready, let's rally the people and take back our city!!!!!

-- Posted by Concerned Citizen II on Mon, Feb 14, 2011, at 7:25 AM

How many on here plan on going to the meeting Thurs nite? We need to get organized before then and have best speakers up there because each person only gets 3 minutes.

-- Posted by ckna910 on Mon, Feb 14, 2011, at 7:35 AM

This reminds me of the scene in the movie "Footloose" where they went before the city council to get dancing approved for a party. The votes were already in their pockets before the town meeting in the movie, and I'm afraid they are now too. But if we don't show in force, the council will not understand how hard their decision has impacted each of us. Please everyone, go to this meeting and say what you feel. There is power in numbers!!!

-- Posted by Concerned Citizen II on Mon, Feb 14, 2011, at 8:02 AM

I can build one pretty quickly. But I will not post the link here because any site that doesn't conform to anything the t-g.com deems as competitive cannot be linked.

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Mon, Feb 14, 2011, at 10:19 AM

I plan on being at the meeting Thursday maybe we can pass around a petition for a Metro Government there. Evil Monkey maybe we could set up a Facebook page for it?

-- Posted by johnnyreb on Mon, Feb 14, 2011, at 12:40 PM

I talked to the county Mayors office today and they said you cant get intouch with council members there not ansering there phones.

I was told there is a lot of people here and in the county talking abougth to Metro Goverment so now is the time for Petition Shelbyville council,

Mayor,City Manager started this we must end it

they got there minds made up and so schould we.

lets Vote for a Metro Goverment.

-- Posted by airforce one on Mon, Feb 14, 2011, at 5:04 PM

I have read the city Charter and Perkim right

Article (29) and it said the city is responable

read his or her Article its stated word for word

as in the City Charter.

-- Posted by airforce one on Mon, Feb 14, 2011, at 5:11 PM

Don't we, the citizens, have 'fine' people (sarcasm) representing us and our town if they won't even answer their phones?? I thought they were in office to not only conduct affairs of the town but also listen to the concerns of the people that put them where they are.

-- Posted by ILoveRoses on Mon, Feb 14, 2011, at 5:24 PM

You got to be kidding me we pay the Mayor $10,800

for a part time job. when there are people working

for $ 5.00 or $7.00 an hr. and dont make $8,000 a year and the mayor draws SS to .and he has told me and my wife he is not payed enought.

There as bad as Cngress GREEDEY nothing but GREED

-- Posted by airforce one on Mon, Feb 14, 2011, at 5:26 PM

You got to be kidding me we pay the Mayor $10,800

for a part time job. when there are people working

for $ 5.00 or $7.00 an hr. and dont make $8,000 a year and the mayor draws SS to .and he has told me and my wife he is not payed enought.

There as bad as Cngress GREEDEY nothing but GREED

-- Posted by airforce one on Mon, Feb 14, 2011, at 5:27 PM

Actually, I thought the Mayor got $6,200. Does he get 10,800 now?

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Mon, Feb 14, 2011, at 7:10 PM

johnnyreb,

We can use facebook as a catalyst, but it was be far more efficient to build it into an existing site. We need to find out what is needed to validate the petition. For example, Do we need Name and number or the entire address etc? You can send me a message on facebook if you want to get this done asap.

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Mon, Feb 14, 2011, at 7:15 PM

Evil Monkey,

I believe petition has to be certified by the county election commission. I would assume name, address, phone numbers would be required plus signers need to be county voters.

Once they verified they have sixty days to start process.

What is your facebook name?

-- Posted by johnnyreb on Mon, Feb 14, 2011, at 7:51 PM

David Stemper

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Mon, Feb 14, 2011, at 11:04 PM

IT states IN C-19 Salary is $10,800 dollars and city council is $7,800 a year.

-- Posted by airforce one on Mon, Feb 14, 2011, at 11:48 PM

Sorry i was wrong the pay is $10,200.00 not $10,800.00 very sorry for mistake but the city council's is right as it states in the city charter section (c-19)..

-- Posted by airforce one on Tue, Feb 15, 2011, at 12:00 AM

City councils members will not meet with county commision and will not answer phones from voters. They didn't mind asking for votes did they. I encourage everyone to be at Thurs. meeting and sign petetion. Evil Monkey add me to facebook-sent invite K.O.

-- Posted by ckna910 on Wed, Feb 16, 2011, at 7:32 AM

Does anyone on here know who the city's health officer is?

-- Posted by perkim on Wed, Feb 16, 2011, at 10:48 AM

Do we have a health officer?? If so, I have not heard of him/her. Is this another paycheck out or our tax dollars that the majority of the citizens know nothing about?

-- Posted by ILoveRoses on Thu, Feb 17, 2011, at 9:37 AM

I don't know. I was reading city charter and noted that city manager has authority to appoint one. I was hoping someone on here would have more info?

-- Posted by perkim on Thu, Feb 17, 2011, at 9:54 AM

Mr Cantrell would you please get off the band wagon on trash and how it will be paid for its payed for by our tax's plane and simple.

I would like to know what was bought or who does the city owe the money you say we dont have as you keep wineing abought the $11.00 dollers you did not get.

As far as i see the city council are going to spend money for a outing in Nashville that money would be well spent here or held and pay cut's are in line here to as you know well what i am saying or maybe you dont get the picture it's going on all over the country pay cut's from the small guy to the big money maker's.

Tell Me why you all in the goverment here thank you are above this what is good for one is good for all. the people of Shelbyville

are abought there's and so schould you we pay more tax's you take a cut in pay.

That sound's fair to me then the city would have more MONEY thank you.

-- Posted by airforce one on Sun, Mar 13, 2011, at 3:53 PM


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Rodney Simmons is a life long resident of Bedford County. He grew up in the Halls Mill area and graduated from Community High School. Rodney's career has primarily been in the construction industry and he holds a degree in Construction Management. Some of his hobbies include fishing, reading and writing. He presently lives in Shelbyville with his wife and two teenage children.
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