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Louis Vuitton, Designer issues with eBay, Pop Art. What a selection!

Posted Tuesday, July 8, 2008, at 8:54 PM

Trademark and designer fashions have been giving eBay a fit lately. Well, more than usual, so I started looking around for forums that could help me understand more and to learn from the experienced sellers in this field. In the process I found a GREAT one. http://forum.purseblog.com/

Now I don't have an interest in purses, but this is a VERY active forum with excellent tools to find and manage discussions and a VERY ACTIVE membership. I am just monitoring the eBay forum and I often see 15-20 new threads (topics within the eBay category) and 15-20 comments on older threads every day. Those discussions give me choices of an immediate e-mail or a summation the next day.

I jump in once in a while, but what I learn about designer labels and selling is fantastic. I might start a new topic myself soon to see what experience and lessons can be learned about off-eBay sites and personal web sites. This is kind of what we do in our internet club meetings as well.

If you are in to Louis Vuitton and enjoy pop art, you might want to check out this artist that has been having trouble listing her art because she uses the designer names. I and others have been trying to help her avoid account suspension but not lose sales in the mean-time. Stop by her site and say hello. http://onegirlcreative.com/popart.htm

For those of you who know about affiliate marketing, these are not affiliate links. One is super information and the other is nice pop art for fashion lovers. You can suggest other name brands for her to develop.


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I think this is one area that ebay should not be responsible for. Really it is 2 issues for me. The knock off industry is one issue and the sales of the designer is another.

The knock-off market is huge, and not just in big cities, right here in Shelbyville. I do aggressively hunt purses. There is a huge aftermarket demand for these items. The sad fact is that out of every 20 or so designer label items that I find, 1 may be original if that. It takes quite a bit of study to know the difference. Even with the lesser brands like Tommy Hilfiger you will find many knockoffs.

I do not think the people that buy a purse from ebay really think they are getting a $700.00 purse for $50.00 new. If they do, they need to learn a lesson anyway. The designers should know that the average ebay buyer wouldnt be buying their merchandise anyway. What they really do not like is the authentic used items. These offer buyers a widely available option that does in fact hurt the designer's sales. Not to mention the multitude of rental sites that specialize in branded products.

As far as I can tell, there will always be status symbols and an evolution of them coming into and falling out of style. It reminds me of a book I used to read my children by Dr Seuss about Sneetches and stars on their bellies. Kinda sad commentary really.

-- Posted by memyselfi on Tue, Jul 8, 2008, at 9:54 PM

I myself do have a problem with sellers claiming their products are the real deal when in fact they are Clearly knock offs and just not ebay sellers. A lot of people would not know a Louis Vuitton from a Faded Glory and they depend on people to be honest. I think it is pretty simple logic don't use the Louis Vuitton, Guess, Coach, Dooney & Bourke,Gucci or Prada name unless it is authentic or at less put the words "Knock Off" behind the name brand you are trying to copy.

To me that is very much like going to Wal-Mart and buying a jacket and sewing a Burberry Label in it trying to pass it off as an orginal.

As far as Knock offs goes, there are good knock offs people pay a lot of money for..because they are very close to the orginal but then again there are knock offs that are horrible..so Buyer Beware.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Tue, Jul 8, 2008, at 11:27 PM

I like that, Buyer Beware. Sounds like great advice. If you are about to pay a couple hundred dollars for something, know what it is please.

-- Posted by memyselfi on Tue, Jul 8, 2008, at 11:52 PM

memyselfi, you mentioned rental sites. Do you mean that they would rent a LV or other designer accessories? Interesting.

Do you know how it works? So much a day with a hefty credit card deposit?

But it is an crafty concept and with the right approach, I am sure it works. How do the designer folks look at something like that?

-- Posted by stevemills on Wed, Jul 9, 2008, at 7:08 AM

I have never heard of rent to own purses but I am sure somebody out there is making a killing doing it...lol

The way I look at it is , if you have to rent to own a purse you don't need it..

Very much the same way I feel about buying dogs at a pet store on a payment plan.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Wed, Jul 9, 2008, at 12:02 PM

Steve - from what I understand it's a pretty lucrative business.

Handbag Rental Sites:

http://www.bagborroworsteal.com/ui/welco...

http://www.frombagstoriches.com/rentbag/...

http://www.kissmybag.com/

I snooped around on Bag, Borrow, or Steal's website and they have handbags rentals anywhere from about $35.00 a month to $300.00 a month. On their sale page where they sale the out of date//style purses, they feature a USED Gucci purse for $2500. And that's 1/2 off! Oh my.

I would be terrified of ruining a rental purse and having to replace it. It comes with "insurance" but I'll bet you'd end up having to pay for it if you ruined it.

-- Posted by amori_da_viaggiare on Wed, Jul 9, 2008, at 12:10 PM

Dianatn, I think it is straight renting, not to own but consider that many folks don't like to go out in the same dress too often, nor do they want to be seen with the same purse.

$35 to $300 is hefty but not as hefty as buying it, and you change purses once a month. Agreed, I would have some serious conversation with my significant other, but there are some who would see that as cheap.

Does anyone know how the designer companies look at something like this? Would it not be cutting in to their sales if women did not have to buy their purses just to change a design?

I would think that they would go to court to stop THAT! Wouldn't they? After all they do not want you to be able to resell it, so.....

-- Posted by stevemills on Wed, Jul 9, 2008, at 1:51 PM

The handbag renting scene appeared on the "Sex and the City" movie. Carrie's new assistant carried around an LV purse that she had rented from an online site. She would simply return the purse for a new rental. Carrie wound up purchasing her a new REAL LV purse.

This was the first time I had ever heard of the "rent a purse" idea. So, my curiosity peaked and led me on an online search for these sites. Sure enough, there are several sites out there that offer the "rent a purse" option.

The whole designer knock-off purse idea really bothers me. Seriously, you know a fake from a real just by the person carrying the purse. This is a small town, so we all know who can actually afford to pay anywhere from $200-800 for a real designer purse and who went to these little purse parties or ebay to buy a replica.

The sad thing is that these people selling the knock-off purses, wallets, sunglasses, etc. at local purse parties or on ebay should wise up. This is plain and simply trademark infringement to sell any designer labeled item as the real deal. These people are profitting from a designer company that they have no ties to. These sellers are purchasing these items from over-seas at an extremely discounted rate and turning a profit locally to benefit themselves. Are any of these local sellers paying taxes on the items they are selling? If not, they better hope old Uncle Sam doesn't catch them. He is one man that doesn't like to be cheated! :)

-- Posted by ohwell on Wed, Jul 9, 2008, at 2:58 PM

I would be hard pressed to judge someones purse as real by looking at the person. When I do get out, I look at the purses being carried and have seen some people I would not have expected to be caring a LV, be doing just that. I see mostly well dressed ladies carrying knock-offs, but I have seen several authentic bags being carried by ladies that just do not look the type. Actually I have seen more authentic bags being carried at Goodwill than Wal-Mart or a nice restaurant. Go figure...

The labels do not like it at all, but they do not really have a way to fight the rental sites. With ebay they can try to intimidate and bully them into some sort of compliance. Litigation will settle it eventually. It goes back to the question of ebay being an agent or not to my way of thinking. Either way the designers are feeling it and will have to adapt or move on.

-- Posted by memyselfi on Wed, Jul 9, 2008, at 4:01 PM

I really don't see how LV or any other designer has the right to tell someone that can not sell a used bag. The bag was originally purchased by someone and they got their money from the original sell. Wouldn't that be like limiting what consignment shops or Goodwill sells.

And I agree I can not look at someone and tell by just looking at them whether or not they can afford an original purse or not. Many people have originals that they save for months to get..Designer bags are not just for the rich. Ask any High School Girl.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Wed, Jul 9, 2008, at 4:48 PM

I think the designers are relying heavily on the knock off market to solve all of their problems. If they can show that the knock offs are the problem, then ebay (they anticipate) will just not allow sales of that sort or make sellers verify authenticity which would be costly and time consuming (not likely). I do not think the fakes affect their business at all, but if they point to that aspect of the issue, they hope to be able to get some control over the larger issues.

They cannot prevent re-sale of original items, but if they can limit it to smaller venues, it would eliminate a sizable chunk of the aftermarket sales.

-- Posted by memyselfi on Wed, Jul 9, 2008, at 5:08 PM

Please do not mistake my comment as passing judgement on a person based on the brand of handbag they carry. All I am saying is that, in this small town, it is obvious who is wealthy and who is not. It is obvious who can walk into a store and buy a real designer handbag at the drop of a hat. Also, I do know several ladies that have saved the money to purchase a real designer handbag.

If a person wants to carry a knock-off designer bag, that is their business. My biggest complaint is the people making money off of these designer knock-off bags. In my opinion, they are cheating these companies out of profit from sales of the real deal.

BTW- Those designer handbags that the high school girls are carrying are coming from local purse parties. The majority, not all, are knock-off Coach, Gucci, LV, etc. brands. I know several high school girls that have these knock-off handbags that have been purchased at these parties.

-- Posted by ohwell on Wed, Jul 9, 2008, at 11:19 PM

If you are a woman who spends a great deal of time on her feet, and wants a durable, stylish shoe then. Yes, a lot of people buy them for the hype, but that said, a great many people buy jimmy choo shoes because with the name comes a level of confidence with the shoe.

Welcome to http://jimmychooshoesoutlet.com

-- Posted by Jimmychoo on Fri, Oct 22, 2010, at 3:25 AM

Wow, to see a two year old blog revived! Nothing has changed with eBay and VeRO program. It is still contentious, still confusing and frustrating.

-- Posted by stevemills on Fri, Oct 22, 2010, at 7:42 AM


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Steve Mills and his wife have one daughter and live on a farm outside of Bell Buckle. They previously owned two coffee/ice cream shops, currently operate an internet sales company and teach classes, but his primary job involves the paper industry worldwide. Hobbies and interests lie in gardening, photography, recorded music and of course, their pets.