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McCain may have hit one out of the park!

Posted Friday, August 29, 2008, at 12:07 PM

I have yet to do research on Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, but if she is what I have been hearing, combined with what I heard in her acceptance speech just now, WOW!

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/capitol...


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I am not a McCain Fan at all but I think this was probably the smartest move of his career.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Fri, Aug 29, 2008, at 12:30 PM

Gov. Palin's speech WAS well done, and now sets the stage for a politically-exciting next two months. Even those old-timers of us who've been hardened by the campaign rhetoric and broken promises of a dozen or so Presidential campaigns have to be just a bit excited about the potential for some positive changes to be made. It'll soon be decision time, and--in addition to each of us doing our personal vetting of the candidates--for those of us who believe in the power of prayer, it's time to raise a petition for wisdom in this selection process that we're undertaking. Let the fun begin!!!

-- Posted by dkd57 on Fri, Aug 29, 2008, at 12:33 PM

I think picking Palin was a smart move, even though I'm still not into McCain. She's supposedly a devout Catholic and has recently given birth to a child with downs syndrome - so I think that's two groups that might be more likely to vite McCain now.

-- Posted by cfrich on Fri, Aug 29, 2008, at 12:37 PM

Make that 'vote' for McCain, not 'vite.'

-- Posted by cfrich on Fri, Aug 29, 2008, at 12:37 PM

The press is already hitting her on experience, but a quick analysis seems to show that she has accomplished some powerful things in her short public service lifespan.

For some reason I have not heard that much from the other side on accomplishments of Obama. Most of it seems to be dreams on what could be. Is there any substance? This is not being derogatory towards Obama, I just don't recall any accomplishments being publicized.

-- Posted by stevemills on Fri, Aug 29, 2008, at 12:41 PM

Go McCain, smart move. I have never been for Obama, this only helps to seal my decision.

-- Posted by Jacks4me on Fri, Aug 29, 2008, at 12:41 PM

I am not sure I understand cfrich. Could you restate it for me?

-- Posted by stevemills on Fri, Aug 29, 2008, at 12:43 PM

Honestly outside the people who live in Illinois who has ever even heard of Obama and he is running for President!

-- Posted by Dianatn on Fri, Aug 29, 2008, at 12:52 PM

Having a brother with Down's, I'm intrigued to learn more about this VP candidate. I do like the idea the GOP has picked a female, but we should not base our vote on that alone.

-- Posted by Sharon22 on Fri, Aug 29, 2008, at 1:26 PM

you think...It might be a strike out looking instead!!!

I've never heard of her and the fact that she is just one heart-beat away from being the president of the United States is a little mind boggling.

McCain is 72 and really looks his age.

No matter what you believe or say that is an issue.

She has a little of a year of experience as a governor and was as mayor....in Alaska by the way.

Facts are facts.

She may turn out to be great but there are a lot of unanswered questions.

You can say that about both candidates as well....

I may just go into the election booth and flip a coin.

At least I voted!!!!!

-- Posted by reader_2 on Fri, Aug 29, 2008, at 1:32 PM

Until now, I would vote, but not with much enthusiasm. From the little (I do admit little) I have seen and heard, this could get exciting.

Her experience is limited, but from what I have read, she produced results and does not mind taking on the the career politicians when she thinks they are wrong. Even if she is a heart beat away from being President, I don't see the BIG question marks in her past or associations.

At least not yet. The press apparently was caught way off base on her selection and were left lacking for things to say. We will see what they drag up.

-- Posted by stevemills on Fri, Aug 29, 2008, at 2:45 PM

I actually appreciate the fact that she is NOT a career politician. From what I can see, that seems to corrupt and compromise more than educate and temper.

-- Posted by stevemills on Fri, Aug 29, 2008, at 2:47 PM

she has two years more experience (12 yrs) in public office than obama (10 yrs), so that a lose-lose proposition for his campaign to bring that up. she served as a city councilmen, a mayor and now a governor for the last two years (of one of the country's most important economic states no less). she's obviously a very popular governor up there now and an extremely hard worker. she nearly won lieutenant governor in '02 as a "no-name" candidate out of "nowhere" against a longstanding popular politician.

reader_2, if you're flipping a coin over these two, then that is a problem. they couldn't be further apart on the major issues of our time.

as far as this pick is concerned, it's great in my opinion and it may very well put mccain over the top in the end.

a pro-life, pro-gun, conservative woman who is currently governing a very important state. not to mention, one son heading to iraq to fight for us and another baby with down syndrome. need i say more.

-- Posted by DoubleJ on Fri, Aug 29, 2008, at 2:56 PM

Steve -

What I meant by my comment was that by picking a Catholic, McCain is ensuring the conservative Catholic vote. And since she has a child with Downs, she more likely to get parents of children with special needs to vote for them (I'm basing this last statement on someone I know who has a child with Down's and she's planning on voting for McCain only because of Palin).

-- Posted by cfrich on Fri, Aug 29, 2008, at 3:12 PM

cfrich,

From what I have read she is a Non-Denominational Protestant.

-- Posted by Jerome on Fri, Aug 29, 2008, at 3:16 PM

She seems to be a strong-willed, conscientious, principled, energetic, hard-working, person from a down-to earth family who has experienced much of what the average American has experienced. She does not apologize for her convictions and clearly tells you where she stands.

What a relief! What more could you ask from a candidate, regardless of sex?

If she really is what she appears to be today, I can easily see her being Madam President after Mc Cain and I think it will scare the wits out of the opposition!

Both parties need a shake-up and Gov. Sarah Palin appears to be on the verge of providing it.

-- Posted by stevemills on Fri, Aug 29, 2008, at 3:26 PM

If she was such a GREAT national Republican party member....why has see been kept in the dark for so long and why hasn't her name been out there?

I have never heard of her and I'm sure I'm not the only one.

With all due respect, there are a lot of parents that that have children heading to iraq to fight for us and baby's with down syndrome.

God Bless them...but that isn't a criteria for being the vice president or perhaps president.

There's got to be better justification that that.

I'm sure there is.

-- Posted by reader_2 on Fri, Aug 29, 2008, at 3:38 PM

pro life and anti gay marriage, my kind of woman!

Seriously I am proud that John stuck to his morals and chose from that , not the popular choice.

-- Posted by michaelbell on Fri, Aug 29, 2008, at 3:40 PM

reader_2, of course those two children alone don't qualify her to be vice president. anyone with a brain knows that. she has plenty of executive experience, though. more than obama by a couple years. she has helped run a city as a councilwoman and a mayor, and ran a state as a governor. what all do you want? so what if she doesn't have 20, 30, or 40 years of experience. she has the right morals and values and she is obviously a great leader. if you compare her experience to obama, it's a wash at worst. again, we're comparing a vice-presidential candidate to a presidential candidate, so that is stupid anyway. as far as her not being well-known, oh well. alaska is far from here #1 and why would we hear a lot about her anyway #2? do we know about each and every possible candidate or other state's governors for that matter. just because you're not "well-known" or don't run for the presidency doesn't mean you're not qualified for the vice presidency. she is a perfect pick and it's got some people stirred up for sure.

-- Posted by DoubleJ on Fri, Aug 29, 2008, at 4:09 PM

If Obama had not run for the Presidency, I don't know that we would have known about him either. From what I can tell, he has not done much in the Senate, besides vote the most liberal record, so again I ask, what has this man accomplished?

In her short tenure, this governor seems to have accomplished some impressive things. Rather than list them please refer to the provided links above.

-- Posted by stevemills on Fri, Aug 29, 2008, at 5:42 PM

It looks like McCain may have made a mistake. He only talked with her one time and that was last week about being VP. There appears to be several major issues. I'm not a Rep. But he am shocked about a rash decision. He was close in the polls.

One example, is that on Kieth Ober;and's show, he mentioned that she has an infant. I have not verified this. The baby has some severe problems.

Now the talking heads are starting to talk about McCain's 2 serious runs with cancer. The last one needed a 5 hr operation. He really had some really, good other folks.

-- Posted by johnhenry on Fri, Aug 29, 2008, at 7:36 PM

I was not planning on voting at all this year as Obama is a complete idiot and I am not too sure about another republican president. With that said, McCain definately has my vote now. Choosing Palin as a running mate was the smartest thing McCain could do. If Obama had any sense at all (which he doesn't), he would have choses Hillary as a running mate.

I am impressed by Palin's family values. She appears to be very down to earth and focused on the importance of family. I also believe that her son's military tour in Irag will help the McCain vote. The American public will realize that even those within government positions have family members that are serving in the war.

Palin will help McCain pull in the female votes that Hillary was receiving. She will also help with the middle class family votes (if there is even a middle class segment anymore). Also, her being the Gov. of Alaska is impressive given the oil that is available within the state. Maybe she can get Congress to start drilling for oil on US soil.

-- Posted by ohwell on Fri, Aug 29, 2008, at 8:03 PM

I actually like McCain's choice in Palin but unfortunately she is not running for president and I just don't know if I could vote for McCain because he seems too much like a copy of Bush. I agree however that his choice in Palin can only help his chances of winning the election since she will appeal to certain demographics that McCain needs.

Also, I can not believe anyone is complaining about Palin's lack of experience while cheerleading for Obama. From where I stand, she seems to have actual experience in leading since she has been both a mayor and a governor and all Obama can say is that he has been a senator for a couple of years and spent a little time in state office and he is running for the higher office than she is. She also has actually been in a charge of a military force(national guard) while Obama has not. But really, why are we comparing a president to a vp? Plus, I like the fact she doesn't always play by the rules of her party and makes decisions based on her own beliefs and convictions. It is refreshing to see someone that will question her own party and speak out and not just play the game as usual.

BTW . . . does anyone thing that Obama giving his acceptance speech at a stadium with that huge setup was just too much. I mean, he seems to want to come across as the next messiah or something and loves to play up to his celebrity image. I could care less about all that . . . I want to see someone who spend less on show and spend more on actual substance and gets America back on track. I am afraid he is too busy "dreaming" about his legacy to actually have a real agenda or an actual idea on how to fix our country.

-- Posted by jaxspike on Fri, Aug 29, 2008, at 9:08 PM

From the Kansas City Star By WILLIAM DOUGLAS AND STEVEN THOMMA

McClatchy Newspapers

"McCain told the crowd that Palin was "exactly who I need" and "exactly who this country needs to help us fight the same old Washington politics of me first and country second.

"For the last few months I've been looking for a running mate who can best help me shake up Washington and make it start working again. It is with great pride that I tell you that I have found the right partner to help me stand up to those who value their privilege over their responsibility or power over principle, who put their interests over your needs."

Palin said she was honored to be nominated and that her mission was clear.

"For the next 67 days I'm going to take our campaign to every part of our country and our message of reform to every voter of every background, in every political party or no party at all," she said. "If you want change in Washington, if you hope for a better America, then we're asking for your vote on the 4th of November."

-- Posted by XoXo_notes on Fri, Aug 29, 2008, at 9:31 PM

Kansas City Star by STEVEN THOMMA

McClatchy Newspapers

"Although Clinton and Obama healed their rift at the Democratic National Convention, that may not assuage all her supporters.

A Gallup poll that was released this week, taken before the Democratic convention, found that about half of Clinton's supporters weren't sold on Obama. Some were leaning his way but still open to changing their minds, and some already were supporting McCain.

Perhaps the most telling moment will come when she faces Democrat Joe Biden in the vice presidential debate, a 90-minute face-off Oct. 2 in St. Louis.

As little-known candidates such as Ferraro in 1984 and Dan Quayle in 1988 learned, the debates can challenge the foreign-policy credentials of people who are relatively new to the national stage.

Said Larry Sabato, a political scientist at the University of Virginia: "This race just got a lot more interesting. That vice presidential debate is really going to be a headliner."

-- Posted by XoXo_notes on Fri, Aug 29, 2008, at 9:38 PM

Stevemills wrote "This is not being derogatory towards Obama, I just don't recall any accomplishments being publicized"

-- Posted by stevemills on Fri, Aug 29, 2008, at 12:41 PM

He co-authored the Global Poverty Act - I have to tell you I was just stunned and speechless after reading this Bill. After all the lofty idealistic goals are set (and our requirement to pay for them)in the first part of the Bill - the fine print takes care of giving the United Nations authority over private gun ownership,energy usage, and parental rights.

Once you've read it - I think the reason it is not well publicized becomes very clear.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?f...

-- Posted by GeeWoman on Fri, Aug 29, 2008, at 9:39 PM

Isn't this some thing, All the time and money Hillary put into becoming the first female Pres.

Along comes McCain and picks a female for VP .

If he makes it to be Pres, and some thing happens to him. Wasn't it nice of his VP to fall right into history 2 times in her term for Vp?????

I am not a McCain fan.And really not a Oboma fan.But my guess is the Democrats will win this one.

Either way we loose.

-- Posted by Wheelbillie on Fri, Aug 29, 2008, at 9:50 PM

Here are a couple of articles that a friend sent me today, in case anybody is interested in learning more about Polin.

http://weblog.signonsandiego.com/weblogs...

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/na...

-- Posted by Nobody'sFool on Fri, Aug 29, 2008, at 10:34 PM

Ron Paul 2008 :>)

-- Posted by Dianatn on Fri, Aug 29, 2008, at 11:04 PM

McCain hitting one out of the park? Does he know how many parks there are? LOL... He probably owns, one or two.. or seven.

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Fri, Aug 29, 2008, at 11:13 PM

McCain hitting one out of the park? Does he know how many parks there are? LOL... He probably owns, one or two.. or seven.

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Fri, Aug 29, 2008, at 11:13 PM

Naw But Cindy might

-- Posted by Dianatn on Fri, Aug 29, 2008, at 11:20 PM

Haha... I forgot. She wears the pantsuit in that family ;)

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Fri, Aug 29, 2008, at 11:55 PM

I do not talk to a lot of people, but the majority of the ones I do talk to are either staunch republicans or ultra conservative. I am talking about people who still support Bush wholeheartedly and wish for 4 more years. From what I have heard, from my admittedly small circle of friends and family, McCain may have lost some of his base. The best reaction I got was lukewarm at best, and several "I'm just not voting" on the opposite end. Time will tell though.

-- Posted by memyselfi on Sat, Aug 30, 2008, at 12:08 AM

He lost more than he gained.. This was PURELY tactical and an act of desperation to get a woman on the ticket, to drive home the fact that Hillary wasn't chosen. The thing is, of those 18,000,000 who voted for Hillary, the majority of them women... They will not vote for a woman who doesn't believe in anything they do.

Oddly enough, it was the right wing folks who spoke of how sad it was that blacks would vote for Obama just because he is black, or women would vote for Hillary just because she's a woman.. Now they praise the very selection from a candidate who only wants her for that sole purpose, women.

Has anybody paid attention to the fact that the first time he'd ever talked to her was last Thursday... I know the Republicans are awfully die hard about rushing into things without thinking them through, i.e. wars... and this is just another example of that.

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Sat, Aug 30, 2008, at 12:13 AM

http://www.newsweek.com/id/156258

"What is it exactly that the vice president does all day?" Palin offhandedly asked CNBC anchor Larry Kudlow in July. Kudlow explained that the job has become more important in recent years. Palin knows the energy crisis well, even if her claim on "Charlie Rose" that Alaska's untapped resources can significantly ease it is unsupported by the facts. But what does she know about Iranian nukes, health care or the future of entitlement programs? And that's just a few of the 20 or so national issues on which she will be expected to show basic competence. The McCain camp will have to either let her wing it based on a few briefing memos (highly risky) or prevent her from taking questions from reporters (a confession that she's unprepared). Either way, she's going to belly-flop at a time when McCain can least afford it.

-- Posted by mayberry on Sat, Aug 30, 2008, at 5:44 AM

Less than a week ago John McCain was all broken up because Barack Obama had not selected the runner-up in the primary as his VP.

"She won millions of votes - but isn't on his ticket. Why? For speaking the truth, on his plans."

It's a pretty darned strange argument to make, isn't it? The runner-up in primaries has never had a claim on the vice presidency. Neither party's runners-up got on the tickets in 2000, or 1996, or 1992, or 1988, or 1984.

I wonder if McCain was just projecting his own thinking onto Obama? Could it be he refused to pick Mitt Romney because he'd spoken the truth about McCain?

"I simply don't think that the people of Florida are gonna say the nominee of our party ought to be a person who on more than one occasion has expressed lack of understanding of our economy at a time when the economy is the number one issue that people are talking about here in the state of Florida," Romney said.

"I know that there are some people who think, as Sen. McCain did, he said, you know, some jobs are leaving Michigan and they're not coming back. I disagree."

"Some politicians, as I said, are more interested in insults than issues," Mr. Romney said.

Yes, I think that might well be the reason McCain ignored Romney's millions of voters. No doubt some enterprising reporter will ask McCain why he passed over the runner-up.

-- Posted by mayberry on Sat, Aug 30, 2008, at 5:47 AM

he American people know (~80%) we are on the wrong track, know all about how the GOP screwed up on Katrina, know who started the Iraq war, and know who offers needed plans for health reform, tax reform and equal pay for women - and who doesn't. The public doesn't need red meat for that, any more than they need red meat to leave the convention energized (the enthusiasm factor is vastly skewed in Obama's favor in the polls).

Thinking like a Republican just because their base is dispirited and needs the red meat (no one on the GOP side likes McCain, they're merely reconciled) is the only reason we're hearing that crap. But on the 45th anniversary of the "I have a Dream' speech, I appreciate someone who thinks larger than that.

Andrew Sullivan:

"While the McCain Republicans have launched brutal, personal and callow attacks on Obama's integrity, sincerity, and patriotism, the Obama Democrats have treated McCain with respect and deference -- more respect and deference than his nasty, petty, little campaign deserves.

They are taking a risk. They are living their message, even as McCain is trashing his own reputation with the asinine, adolescent Weekly Standard brattishness that is now his trademark."

Look at the speech through John Lewis' eyes, and see what the hollow men are missing. I am so proud of the Democratic Party, and so proud of this country. Steve Schmidt and the other character assassins, on the other hand, are contemptible. And the great thing was that Barack Obama said so, and is willing to take them on over it.

Last night, the country got to see the contrast. And in November, we'll see how far the country has come in 45 years. I remain cautiously optimistic. After all, Churchill had us pegged. "Americans always do the right thing, after trying everything else."

-- Posted by mayberry on Sat, Aug 30, 2008, at 5:53 AM

As much as the know-nothing media talked about divided Democrats, Obama felt no need to use his VP pick to rally the base and unite his party. Biden was picked precisely because Obama felt he was the best pick for the ticket, not because he needed to mollify one group or another.

Now we see McCain's pick of Quayle Palin, and it's clear that he was forced to kow-tow to the Huckabee/Dobson wing of the Republican Party. We already know she is virulently anti-choice. But did you know she is a creationist?

The volatile issue of teaching creation science in public schools popped up in the Alaska governor's race this week when Republican Sarah Palin said she thinks creationism should be taught alongside evolution in the state's public classrooms. Palin was answering a question from the moderator near the conclusion of Wednesday night's televised debate on KAKM Channel 7 when she said, "Teach both. You know, don't be afraid of information.

Two years ago, Palin was part-time mayor of a village of 6,000. Today, she's supposedly ready to step in to run this country in the eventuality that Sen. McCentury can no longer perform those duties? Right. This was a sop to the Right, which was unwilling to accept a pro-choice Republican on the ticket, and a pathetic and hilariously desperate effort to grab the 17 holdout PUMAs (who are fake Democrats already willing to vote for McCain anyway).

-- Posted by mayberry on Sat, Aug 30, 2008, at 6:01 AM

http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/2008...

In picking an unknown, untested, half-a-term woman governor from Alaska to be his running mate, John McCain is following in a long line of reckless men who have rolled the dice for a beauty queen. Except in this case, McCain is taking one of the biggest, boldest gambles in modern American political history.

He's betting his presidency on a naked political play for holdout Hillary supporters and other female swing voters - and hoping that a large share of these predominantly pro-choice women will ignore or overlook Palin's staunch pro-life, anti-stem cell views.

-- Posted by mayberry on Sat, Aug 30, 2008, at 6:11 AM

Good stuff there mayberry! ;)

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Sat, Aug 30, 2008, at 6:16 AM

McCain Didn't Even Know Palin Before Picking Her

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DD_Ds_mW...

-- Posted by mayberry on Sat, Aug 30, 2008, at 6:17 AM

Has anybody paid attention to the fact that the first time he'd ever talked to her was last Thursday... I know the Republicans are awfully die hard about rushing into things without thinking them through, i.e. wars... and this is just another example of that.

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Sat, Aug 30, 2008, at 12:13 AM

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Sat, Aug 30, 2008, at 6:30 AM

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-- Posted by mayberry on Sat, Aug 30, 2008, at 6:41 AM

http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/w...

Preventing Unwanted Pregnancy:

Barack Obama is an original co-sponsor of legislation to expand access to contraception, health information and preventive services to help reduce unintended pregnancies. Introduced in January 2007, the Prevention First Act will increase funding for family planning and comprehensive sex education that teaches both abstinence and safe sex methods. The Act will also end insurance discrimination against contraception, improve awareness about emergency contraception, and provide compassionate assistance to rape victims.

PREVENTING VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN

Reducing Domestic Violence:

One in four women will experience domestic violence in her lifetime. Family violence accounted for 11 percent of all violence between 1998 and 2002. Barack Obama introduced legislation to combat domestic violence by providing $25 million a year for partnerships between domestic violence prevention organizations and Fatherhood or Marriage programs to train staff in domestic violence services, provide services to families affected by domestic violence, and to develop best practices in domestic violence prevention.

Strengthening Domestic Violence Laws:

Approximately 1,400 women a year -- four every day -- die in the United States as a result of domestic violence. And 132,000 women report that they have been victims of a rape or attempted rape, and it is estimated that an even greater number have been raped, but do not report it. Senator Obama co-sponsored and helped reauthorize the Violence Against Women Act. Signed into law in January 2006, the bill funds and helps communities, nonprofit organizations, and police combat domestic violence, sexual assault, and stalking. The legislation establishes a sexual assault services program and provides education grants to prevent domestic violence.

Fighting Gender Violence Abroad:

The genocide in Darfur has had particularly devastating consequences for women. Tens of thousands of women have been killed, raped, and displaced since the conflict began in 2003. Barack Obama has been a leading voice in Washington urging the end of genocide in Sudan. He worked with Senator Sam Brownback (R-KS) on the Darfur Peace and Accountability Act, a version of which was signed into law. Obama has traveled to the United Nations to meet with Sudanese officials and visited refugee camps on the Chad-Sudan border to raise international awareness of the ongoing humanitarian disaster there. He also worked with Senator Harry Reid (D-NV) to secure $20 million for the African Union peacekeeping mission.

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Fighting for Pay Equity:

Despite decades of progress, women still make only 77 cents for every dollar a man makes. A recent study estimates it will take another 47 years for women to close the wage gap with men at Fortune 500 corporate offices. Barack Obama believes the government needs to take steps to better enforce the Equal Pay Act, fight job discrimination, and improve child care options and family medical leave to give women equal footing in the workplace.

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Americans are increasingly at risk of working their entire lives only to face retirement in poverty. Barack Obama believes we need to preserve the character of Social Security by stopping any efforts to privatize social security. Obama also will work in a bipartisan way to maintain Social Security's solvency for future generations.

Encouraging Retirement Saving:

The personal saving rate is at its lowest level since the Great Depression. Only 55 percent of Americans working full-time hold a job with a retirement savings plan; the percentage is even lower for women. As of March 2005, less than half of the 60 million wage and salaried women working in the United States participated in a retirement plan. Barack Obama wants to make retirement saving easier, cheaper, and more automatic for middle-class and working people who get only minor tax benefits to save and who are the ones that really need the money. Obama co-sponsored with Senator Jeff Bingaman (D-NM) the Save More for Retirement Act, which provides incentives for automatic enrollment in 401Ks. One study has found that, among employees with less than 15 months tenure, automatic enrollment increased participation from 12 percent to 79 percent for workers with annual earnings of less than $20,000.

Improving Child Support Collection:

Less than half of parents collecting child support receive the full payments they are due. More than $11 billion in child support goes unpaid every year. Barack Obama introduced legislation to increase child support enforcement by an additional $4.9 billion over 10 years, a measure that will collect nearly $20 billion in payments from men who don't fulfill their parental responsibilities. The bill also makes sure that states pass through 100 percent of collected child support payments to families.

NATIONAL SECURITY

Ending the War in Iraq:

There are 202,000 women serving on active duty and 64,000 serving in the Guard and Reserves. Scores of female troops have died in Iraq and hundreds more have been injured. Barack Obama opposed the war from the beginning and has introduced legislation that would begin a phased withdrawal starting May 2007, with a goal of removing all of our combat troops by March of 2008. Realizing there can be no military solution in Iraq, Obama's plan focuses instead on reaching a political solution in Iraq, protecting our interests in the region, and bringing this war to a responsible end.

Caring for Women Veterans:

There are 1.7 million women veterans today, a number that is increasing every day. The Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) that was built to care for World War II veterans is not ready to handle the influx of women veterans from Iraq and Afghanistan. As a member of the Senate Veterans Affairs Committee, Barack Obama has introduced legislation to force the Pentagon and VA to better track the newest generation of veterans -- including the number of women veterans -- so that the VA can better plan their care. Obama also introduced legislation to fight homelessness among veterans, with a special focus on treating women who may have been victims of sexual trauma. Along with Senator Claire McCaskill, Obama has also co-sponsored legislation to provide funding for additional caseworkers and mental health counselors, a women's mental health treatment program, and a comprehensive mental health study of returning soldiers. As president, Barack Obama will fight to ensure that women can get the care they deserve at the VA.

POVERTY

Fighting Poverty:

Of the 37 million Americans living below the poverty line, approximately 14.6 million are women -- a staggering number equal to the combined populations of Iowa, Indiana, and Wisconsin. And nearly 13 million children are living in poverty, a rise of 1.3 million since 2000. Barack Obama is committed to a renewed effort to tackle the underlying problems that cause poverty.

Raising the Minimum Wage:

Barack Obama believes that people who work full time should not live in poverty. The minimum wage hasn't been changed in nine years and has less purchasing power in real dollars than it did in 1955. Women are the largest group of beneficiaries from a minimum wage increase: 60 percent of the workers who would benefit from an increase to $7.25 are women. As President, Barack Obama would raise the minimum wage, index it to inflation, and increase the Earned Income Tax Credit to make sure that full-time workers have a living wage.

Helping Low-Income Workers:

Transitional jobs are a promising way to help chronically unemployed people break into the workplace. This approach places participants into temporary, subsidized wage-paying jobs. It also offers mentoring and social services designed to address the work-blocking problems like personal and family conflicts. Once they find entry-level work, low-income workers often are unable to break into middle-class jobs. Bridge programs can help by partnering the federal government with employers and community-based organizations to identify job opportunities, develop customized training programs, and place low-income employees in better jobs. Barack Obama introduced legislation to devote $50 million for transitional and bridge employment programs for hard-to-employ groups like homeless veterans, children aging out of foster care, and people returning to communities after serving time in prison.

Supporting Low-Income Families:

Barack Obama has a long history of helping working families achieve economic self-sufficiency. As a State Senator, Obama sponsored and passed the Illinois Earned Income Tax Credit for the working poor, one of the most effective tools devised to move people out of poverty. As a U.S. Senator, Obama worked with Senator Olympia Snowe (R-ME) to introduce legislation lowering the Child Tax Credit's income limit so that 600,000 more families can benefit. The Child Tax Credit allows parents to receive $1,000 per child and has been an important financial resource for working families. Unfortunately, the credit is skewed so that many families who need it the most cannot get it. Because of artificially high income limits that are indexed to inflation every year, parents that work full-time at minimum wage are not eligible for the credit. As a result, nearly 17 million low-income children get less than the full credit. Barack Obama has also introduced legislation that would provide immediate tax relief to low-income working families from the Hurricane Katrina disaster areas by enhancing the refundable portion of the Child Tax Credit.

Improving Afterschool and Daycare Opportunities:

Millions of American families are struggling to juggle job and family responsibilities. Many low-income parents struggle to maintain employment and afford childcare. Barack Obama has sponsored legislation in the Illinois Senate to establish grants for after-school programs. He believes in increasing federal support for after-school programs with proven records of success at helping children avoid crime and drugs.

EDUCATION

Protecting Title IX:

Barack Obama supports eliminating gender discrimination in American schools. For 35 years, Title IX has been a bulwark against sex discrimination against students and employees at all levels of education. Obama will fight to make sure women have equal opportunities and access from pre-kindergarten through graduate school.

Expanding Early Childhood Education:

Research shows that half of low-income children start school up to two years behind their peers in preschool skills and that these early achievement gaps continue throughout elementary school. Barack Obama supports increasing funding for the Head Start program to provide preschool children with critically important learning skills, and supports the necessary role of parental involvement in the success of Head Start. He has also called on states to replicate the Illinois model of Preschool for All.

Promoting Women in Math and Science:

Women constitute 45 percent of the workforce in the U.S., but hold just 12 percent of science and engineering jobs in business and industry. Women also make up just 9 percent of the recipients of engineering-related bachelor's degrees. Barack Obama believes that every student should have equal access to education in math, science, and technology in order to compete on a global scale.

Improving Our Schools:

Barack Obama introduced a plan to support school districts that try new methods to improve student achievement and reward effective teachers and school leaders. Under his initiative, 20 districts across the country will get grants to develop innovative plans in consultation with their teacher unions. High-performing teachers, and those who take on new responsibilities such as mentoring new teachers, will be eligible for pay increases beyond their base salary. Effective school leadership and effective teaching can improve both the work environment for teachers and learning environment for students. These innovation districts will show results that can be replicated in other school districts.

Making College More Affordable:

Barack Obama will make college affordable for all Americans by creating a new American Opportunity Tax Credit. This fully refundable credit will ensure that the first $4,000 of a college education is completely free for most Americans, and will cover two-thirds the cost of tuition at the average public college or university. And by making the tax credit fully refundable, Obama's credit will help low-income families that need it the most. Obama will also ensure that the tax credit is available to families at the time of enrollment by using prior year's tax data to deliver the credit at the time that tuition is due, rather than a year or more later when tax returns are filed. Recipients of this credit will be required to conduct 100 hours of public service a year, either during the school year or over the summer months.

-- Posted by mayberry on Sat, Aug 30, 2008, at 6:45 AM

John Mccain is not a Conservative, he is a neoconservative.

-- Posted by mayberry on Sat, Aug 30, 2008, at 6:47 AM

It is amazing to me how many people KNOW what the other person is thinking and why they did something. Not guessing or surmising, THEY KNOW.

I believe I saw and heard a tough campaigner and one smart person yesterday, who is firm in her beliefs and shows it through actions, not just talk. The fact that she seems to think conservatively, is a big plus to me, but if politicians ON BOTH SIDES, lived their convictions like she seems to, we would have a GREAT political selection from which to choose!

I keep hearing that we can not have more of the same, but it seems to me that John McCain has contradicted the "party line" numerous times in the past. I do not agree with all his decisions, nor did I agree with all of Bush's but for the most part, they were closer to my beliefs than any others.

What I hear from the other side is all about what they will give me. Folks, I live in the real world and I do not depend on the government to be my parents. Even my parents did not give me everything because they knew that someday I would have to stand on my own and the struggle made me stronger

The naysayers about Governor Palin are great with adjectives and claiming full knowledge of what the Republicans and John McCain think and do. I truly wish I knew what Obama was REALLY thinking and planning, but I don't and only have his actions to go by, not what people or the press say. Reports are starting to surface now that McCain and Palin actually met 6 months ago and have been actively conversing since then. The press likes to think they know everything, but they just don't so, let the campaign begin.

By the way, since length of knowing someone seems to be a key measuring point, how many times has Obama talked to Biden and how well does he know him? I know they were in the same room, but did someone keep score? If so, someone needs a hobby.

Thank you for the reports of what Obama has done. What he plans to do is all "pie in the sky" for all politicians, because reality has a way of sobering their actions. It seems he was a good follower by supporting a few endeavors that spent money. I did not see the Global Poverty Act, or was that in there somewhere. One thing he actually initiated appears to be introducing a bill to remedy years of discrimination against black farmers. Laudable, but how does it compare to what Governor Palin has done in her time in government?

Basically I see most of his "co-sponsorship" was on socialistic programs that give money (our money) away, or expands "Big Goverment's" grip on our lives. It is a common joke in the U.S. that the government screws things up, so why would we want them to be MORE involved in our lives? Those credentials worry me more than comfort me.

Govenor Palin spearheaded a number of efforts in her State on corruption and since taking office "Palin has earned a reputation as a reformer who worked with both Democrats and Republicans to overhaul the state oil-tax system and to restore confidence in state government shaken by political-corruption scandals.

For most of that time, she has been enormously popular, gaining some of the highest approval ratings of any governor in the country." (Seattle Times) That was an excerpt of the article that Nobody'sFool referenced.

She refused the "bridge to nowhere" pork-barrel project brought back to her state by one of her own party, so she does not shy away from her convictions and has vetoed 13 % of her state's proposed budget because she disagreed. BUT "Palin overcame tough opposition from the Alaska oil industry to pass a major tax increase on state production to capture more of the windfall when prices are high. She saved money, yet raised taxes when it would benefit her state's residents. Seems like common sense actions, but I do not know all the details.

She appears to be an ethical representative of the people who voted her into office and a tough opponent. She may not have International experience, or at least it has not come out yet. Her state borders a foreign country and she is the leader of her National Guard, so she may have more than we know.

People are concerned that she is a "heartbeat away" from the Presidency because she does not have extensive experience in this field, yet she was in Iraq BEFORE Mr. Obama and has a son going to Iraq in September. (Ironically, September 11th) Remind me again of Mr. Obama's experience. That has not been covered well in the press.

People say they are tired of the status quo in Washington, yet when McCain bucks his own party and he nominates a VP candidate who has shown she is not afraid to stand tall against her own party as well, it is belittled with the same status quo rhetoric. That's is equally tiring.

-- Posted by stevemills on Sat, Aug 30, 2008, at 8:53 AM

Great read Steve. I have had a problem since day one of these blogs with people who know absolutely what I am thinking and also know what every other person on the planet is thinking and what they mean when they say something as if we cannot view and understand the actual words in their plain and accepted meanings.

It's an amazing talent. Wish I had it.

-- Posted by cmcclanahan on Sat, Aug 30, 2008, at 10:13 AM

Steve,

That's the most commom sense comment I have read on any of these blogs in quite a while. My initial judgement of Ms. Palin is to like her, but am holding off my decision until I see more information. Her "lack of experience" does not bother me any, in fact neither does Obama's. I will be for any candidate that can make our FEDERAL government smaller and not larger, continuing to throw money into all these entitlements (healthcare and education included) will not fix any problems.

-- Posted by Sharon22 on Sat, Aug 30, 2008, at 12:04 PM

Great stuff guys!! However, I am still not convinced. Yes, I am that "female swing voter".

We all know the old adage: "You can only believe half of what you see, and nothing that you hear."

In layman terms, what does it really all boil down to?

These are my concerns:

Which ticket can drastically change our nation back to:

"Made in the USA"

We need jobs for everyone...jobs as in industrial plants right here on American soil that make our clothes, cars, technical tools & supplies, processing & distributing our foods, etc.

We need our farmers back. We need to kiss Corporate America good-bye. I tried to believe in the philosophy of give more to the rich so they can in turn create jobs for the less fortunate & give back to the communities. I see this happening very little. Where are the jobs?

It seems to me that the trickle down economy method seems to, for instance, enable them to move our jobs to other countries such as China & pay the Chinese $.05/hr to our $7.00. Then they can undersell their competition (small business owners) through corporations like Wal-Mart. We Americans then are either conservative enough to shop at Wal-Mart or do well to afford to shop at Wal-Mart or live in a town like Shelbyville that has nothing going for them but Wal-mart.

What do they do with these record profits? Buy another yacht, plane & invest in a high-rise condo, golf course, tennis course in Dubai(?) or buy a new mansion in Prague (?) I know let's ask Paris Hilton...she manages her inheritance so well.

I personally do not see anything wrong with the said 5% of Rich people in our nation paying higher taxes that they can afford to pay. As a matter of fact, those wealthy folks have so much money that they have to look for things to do with it...which is when we all hope they will build a new plant for more fellow Americans to have more opportunities for their families.

The only problem that I do see with the taxes given by the rich is how our government tends to squander those funds & not allocate those funds wisely. Some folks are hard working self made millionaires/billionaires like Bill Gates who has done a lot for our economy. However, he has recently decided for some odd reason or another to help the Chinese with innovation (?) ... could he be mad at how his funds were squandered possibly...I hope he is not turning into a turncoat like Benedict Arnold...please forgive me, but I don't understand why he is helping China.

Money is a necessary evil that we all need to live & breathe & function in this world. We entrust our government leaders to spend our hard worked earnings wisely & not squander our funds away on foolish projects such as Governor Bredesen's wife's idea of a bunker being renovated in the mansion.

No American should be without healthcare. Insurance companies, doctors, & hospitals should not be able to play God & discriminate & predict our outcomes. Banks & credit companies cannot charge excessive interest rates & neither should insurance companies, hospitals, pharmaceuticals, & some doctors be allowed to charge outrageous rates. Also, there needs to be a restriction on lawsuits. These lawyers are helping people sue for things that are extremely ridiculous & a waste of court time & money.

We need our farmers back...I am getting scared to eat anything from the stores & restaurants. All my years of life I have not ever heard of such recalls on food products, salmonella, & ecoli infestations. We need to process & distribute our own foods & have quality control inspectors back in our plants. Actually, this problem has prompted me to begin planting & canning my own fruits & vegetables.

We need to truly tighten our borders & reduce the limit of immigrants into our country. We need to enforce our immigration laws & prosecute violaters that hire illegal workers & liasons who are making six figure incomes recruiting the illegals to the jobs in America.

We need immigrants to KNOW & UNDERSTAND that like Toby Keith's song...we will put a boot in your a--

because it is the American way. You want a better life in America? Then, don't think that you are going to move in our nation & change our ways to yours. If you want to aboard the American ship then understand that we speak English...learn to speak it. We have laws, rules, policies, & pay taxes...if you don't like it then do NOT get on board.

We need to continue investing & supporting our youths education & job skills to produce hard working, productive & effective citizens for our future generations.

If we keep our fellow Americans working & our employees legal & paying payroll taxes, we should not have a problem with social security & medicare benefits.

We need to reflect on our forefathers who worked so hard to liberate us from the forces of England & create a land where the one thing we stand united in is FREEDOM & INDEPENDENCE.

In my opinion, our government has some corruption within & is selling us out to our passive aggressive enemy China because they are not strong enough to stand up against corporate greed & corrupt lobbyist. Our ancestors were FIGHTERS & would boycott & make stands against crooks, greed & power- hungry beings.

No, Carl, I am not the sharpest tool in the shed, but common sense tells me that our nation's antecdote is pure & simple....JOBS.

A new industrial revolution needs to take place. Americans working for Americans and supporting American businesses, trades, & tourism. By george, I do wish we had a leader with the courage, spirit, & wisdom of Teddy Roosevelt.

As far as the main topic of this blog goes--Palin's background seems to parallel with Deborah's in Bible history.

Deborah was a Fighter--a powerful triple combo of authority & responsibility all in one. She was a military leader, judge, & prophetess--unique among women and men. She was not referred to as "Deborah barracuda" but as the "mother of Israel" because of her leadership & victory in the battle against Canaanite oppression.

Ironically, women tend to make the best "housekeepers" & maybe Sarah Palin is just the woman to clean house, reorganize & reform our public house in D.C.

-- Posted by XoXo_notes on Sat, Aug 30, 2008, at 1:28 PM

If you think that we as a nation are better off now than we were eight years ago then vote for McCain. If you think that the United States has been moving in the wrong direction since 2000 then vote for Obama. Personally I think that any middle class American that votes Republican after witnessing first hand the downward spiral our country has been on since the GOP gained total control is a complete sucker!

-- Posted by nathan.evans on Sat, Aug 30, 2008, at 2:46 PM

I definitely agree with wanting to see "Made in America" and seeing the small farmer come back to life. Big conglomerate farming really puts us at too much risk for calamity and vulnerability. Just as in business where you should try not to base all your business on one customer, we are foolish to support larger and larger corporate farmers at the expense of the small farmer.

However, I am concerned about trying to redistribute the wealth THROUGH government. Helping the small farmer? GREAT but not with programs that party them not to grow something or an agricultural welfare program. There were a few programs that caught my eye when mayberry was listing Obama's objectives. Supporting Rural Economic development, encourage young people to become farmers, and encourage organic and local agriculture. I like that, but I am not sure it is enough, nor do I know what might come from McCain.

I prefer not to call people names for voting their conscience. As long as it is an informed decision and not just voting "party line", then we as a nation have done well. I don't think we have done all that bad, considering what has gone on in the last 8 years. Again, Bush did not make all of the decisions I would have liked, but neither did JFK or Ronald Reagan.

Just because Obama has different ideas does not mean that those ideas are sound or can be accomplished. I worry about someone who tries to promise everyone everything and plans to spend his way into popularity. Obama seems to be a follower not a leader. He voted the party line 97% of the time and according to the information provided above only "fathered" one bill.

McCain is more of an independent thinker and has voted party line only 88% of the time. This seems to say that his Presidency will NOT be a carbon copy of President Bush, nor a carbon copy of Republican mantra. So, if you are a party line voter, you vote is decided, if you think independent of party line, you have some choice.

-- Posted by stevemills on Sat, Aug 30, 2008, at 4:01 PM

Good advice, Nathan, but do you really think that this downhill spiral is the GOP's fault ? Not that I am a big Bush fan or anything, but I have to admit that he had a rough 8 years term.

The fact that we were attacked by terrorists that we also ironically allowed in our country & gave them their aviation education & training & all the massive natural disasters our nation has incurred is not the GOP's fault. Then, as far as the war with Iraq, we did abolish an evil dictator, Hussein, and now have a forward capital based in Iraq centrally located around all the other power-hungry tyrants that threaten the world with nukes & such. I agree with Biden's mom. In Biden's speech he told how his mom told him that if someone bullied him to give them a bloody nose. We cannont sit idle & do nothing when we were attacked like 911 by a bunch of radical muslims. The terrorists bullies have to know that we are still FIGHTERS & are not going to allow them to attack us. I can credit Bush for this, we have not been attacked anymore.

-- Posted by XoXo_notes on Sat, Aug 30, 2008, at 4:24 PM

I worry about someone who tries to promise everyone everything and plans to spend his way into popularity

-- Posted by stevemills on Sat, Aug 30, 2008, at 4:01 PM

Oh, but you don't mind the fact that our debt has increased from $3 trillion to almost $10 trillion in 8 years... Why is that you always worry about how Obama is going to spend money, when you NEVER admit the Republicans are the ones who have bankrupted this country, the Republicans are the one's who'd rather spend money on wars, yet think it's crazy to spend give tax breaks to the middle class, or help with health care costs... Steve, you say you live in the real world but it is rather hard to believe you live in the real world when you admittedly don't know anything John McCain proposes, yet ask what Obama really means even though he CLEARLY states it...

What I find highly amusing, is all of you who want less government, less taxes, and more freedom have been the recipient of the EXACT OPPOSITE since 2001... Is there a wonder you are still crying for all those things, when you continue to vote for those who work against you?

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Sat, Aug 30, 2008, at 4:31 PM

The fact that we were attacked by terrorists that we also ironically allowed in our country & gave them their aviation education & training & all the massive natural disasters our nation has incurred is not the GOP's fault. Then, as far as the war with Iraq, we did abolish an evil dictator, Hussein, and now have a forward capital based in Iraq centrally located around all the other power-hungry tyrants that threaten the world with nukes & such. I agree with Biden's mom. In Biden's speech he told how his mom told him that if someone bullied him to give them a bloody nose. We cannont sit idle & do nothing when we were attacked like 911 by a bunch of radical muslims. The terrorists bullies have to know that we are still FIGHTERS & are not going to allow them to attack us. I can credit Bush for this, we have not been attacked anymore.

-- Posted by XoXo_notes on Sat, Aug 30, 2008, at 4:24 PM

Biden's mom NEVER told him to bloody the WRONG person's nose... That is the part of the speech you missed. Wanna know why we haven't been attacked anymore? Because Bush already has the war he was planning on in 1999... Something had to happen to get the American people behind this crazy idea. Wasn't it also Bush and McCain who said "NO TIME TABLE in Iraq..." and wasn't in Obama who said, "We need to set a time table..." Suddenly, just as the election is near, there is a TIME TABLE. hmmm...

Also, how do you respond to the fact that 11 of the 19 "terrorist" or "hijackers" who attacked us are alive and well today? hmmm...

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Sat, Aug 30, 2008, at 4:37 PM

Well, I never said that I liked the national debt, so I am not sure why you attack me on that, but…I think XOXO may have alluded to a few issues that developed during the Bush years that may not have been all his fault. I would think that 9-11 was developed, practiced and instigated during someone else's tenure. And I am not sure that natural disasters are planned by anyone. See, I am not trying blaming someone else, but I fear others will find a way to blame Bush for that, but I believe they are stretching a bit.

Excuse me. Did you say that we did not get a tax break from the Republicans? Just because the wealthier folks pay more taxes than most of us middle class combined, why should they get one? And Mr. Obama will not add more taxes? Really?

I will disregard the continued personal comments since it serves no purpose, so sorry, no bite back. A sage adviser once said that the more one yells or gets nasty, the better the chance that they have little or nothing to back up their argument. I admit I do not know everything about McCain and I am not sure where Obama clearly stated much, but I am sure others probably know more than he does himself.

I have not felt any great freedom lost these past 8 years, or at least none that bother me. I travel frequently, so I have to put up with the constant security checks at airports. They apologize for their intrusion and I thank the folks for doing their job.

From what I have seen so far of Mr. Obama's "plans" he plans for government to intrude much more than the current administration ever did and in a way that I think WILL affect me. Maybe not directly, but by messing up the economy, personal responsibilities and motivation. Let Big Brother take care of us.

I am not sure where you are going with the statement about the 11 of 19 terrorists being alive today. If you are one who thinks this was masterminded by the U.S. and that Bin Laden is a compatriot of theirs, there is probably no more reason to discuss this. I believe Biden's Mom was talking about bloodying a bully's nose, but ….… I could have it wrong, as I am sure someone will point out.

A time table never makes strategic sense for a military operation. Biden was wrong and "in my opinion" Mr. Obama did not have a clue. I don't KNOW that, just think it. Using common sense (which is not always so common) am opponent does not tell the other side what they plan to do and when they plan to do it.

If that made good sense, why don't the NFL teams post their plays on a public play-board. Why don't Mr. Obama and Mr. Biden just tell the country what ads they are going to run, when they are going to run it and what THEIR game plan is? It makes sense to them in Iraq, so……

But to get back to the good news, Mr. McCain may have hit a home run with his VP choice. It is not just my humble opinion, but that of many, except of course the opposition. Time will tell if she is as good as she appears, but for our country's sake

-- Posted by stevemills on Sat, Aug 30, 2008, at 6:02 PM

Gotta love denial... If I can't blame Bush for the $7 trillion increase in debt, the increase in welfare rolls, the increase in food prices, fuel prices and inflation.. the decrease in real wages along with the increase cost of living... the loss of millions of jobs, the loss diplomacy, among many others then don't even begin to say OBAMA is going to ruin the economy... In case you haven't noticed, it's pretty much ridiculous as it is.

Steve, you are a smart man.. don't you have to balance your check book at the end of every week? Don't you have to pay for all the expenses incurred or do you just continue to borrow until the lenders run out of funds? Well, I know you don't do that, so how do you think we will EVER pay for $7 trillion in debt?

Lastly, just because you haven't lost any rights doesn't mean others haven't.

A timetable makes perfect sense... even you said this: "personal responsibilities and motivation." If we give them a blank check and promise to do their work for them, how is that any different than what you accuse Obama of potentially doing with lower class American citizens?

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Sat, Aug 30, 2008, at 6:12 PM

Excuse me. Did you say that we did not get a tax break from the Republicans? Just because the wealthier folks pay more taxes than most of us middle class combined, why should they get one? And Mr. Obama will not add more taxes? Really?

- Posted by stevemills on Sat, Aug 30, 2008, at 6:02 PM

I didn't get a tax break... Some of my family did. Who paid for this though? How do you justify printing money out of thin are to send to American citizens? What did you buy with it? Fuel from Saudi Arabia or goods manufactured in China? Great tax break...

-- Posted by Vindicated on Sat, Aug 30, 2008, at 6:16 PM

I would think that 9-11 was developed, practiced and instigated during someone else's tenure.

-- Posted by stevemills on Sat, Aug 30, 2008, at 6:02 PM

Think eh? Hmm.. Apparently not. It's quite odd that we invaded three separate countries in the middle east, under two different presidents... They BOTH have the same last name. Coincidence or strategy?

-- Posted by Vindicated on Sat, Aug 30, 2008, at 6:19 PM

From what I have seen so far of Mr. Obama's "plans" he plans for government to intrude much more than the current administration ever did and in a way that I think WILL affect me.

-- Posted by stevemills on Sat, Aug 30, 2008, at 6:02 PM

Really, how so? Does he plan to wire tap your conversations with the cooperation of big business? Nope.

Does he want to continue NCLB that make teaching impossible? Nope.

Does he plan to cut out private insurance and replace it with government insurance? Nope.

Does he plan on taking your family and sending them to illegal wars that he doesn't have the courage to fight? Nope.

Is he going to raise your taxes? Well if you are a middle class citizen making "$5 million a year", then maybe.. otherwise, Nope.

Reciting fear and propaganda is easy... Thinking outside the box, means validating your opinion.

-- Posted by Vindicated on Sat, Aug 30, 2008, at 6:24 PM

I am not sure where you are going with the statement about the 11 of 19 terrorists being alive today. If you are one who thinks this was masterminded by the U.S. and that Bin Laden is a compatriot of theirs, there is probably no more reason to discuss this.

-- Posted by stevemills on Sat, Aug 30, 2008, at 6:02 PM

I don't know what this statement means either... But maybe darrick_04 was asking you to explain how 11 people who flew planes into building and into the ground are still alive and well? Bin Laden, as well as Hussein were both U.S. compatriots... until they took the C.I.A. money that was being funneled to them, and spent it on things contrary to U.S. wishes.

-- Posted by Vindicated on Sat, Aug 30, 2008, at 6:28 PM

As concerned as I am about Obama, I don't pretend to think he alone could accomplish what I think people are blaming on Bush. Therefore, should he win, I think the U.S. will continue, but not in the way that I think we should go. It has happened before and it will regrettably happen again.

I have learned about debt early in life. We cut back where we can, make extra where we can and trust that the Lord will fill in as needed. So far, we have not hit it rich, but we have always had unexpected influxes at advantageous times. Two weeks ago we got a call from what we thought was a scam caller saying that one of my hospital visits owed me a refund. It showed up in today's mail.

A time table WITHIN the inner sanctums of the of the planning group does make sense, but a publicly declared one does not. With the secrecy that surrounds the activities, I would expect such a plan was discussed and limits were declared, but there are some things the press and we the American public do not need to know. Why? Because, as soon as we know, the world knows and therefore the enemy.

We have had tax breaks and tax refunds. I will grant you that we did not go out and buy a car or house, but from what I understand, anyone who filed a tax report received a stimulus check as well. If one didn't, it would seem that a tax form was not filed and no taxes were paid, in which case I truly agree that printing money to refund people who did not pay, would make no sense.

Has anyone learned more about the Republican VP choice?

-- Posted by stevemills on Sat, Aug 30, 2008, at 6:51 PM

Nothing other than it was a ridiculous one ;)

-- Posted by Vindicated on Sat, Aug 30, 2008, at 7:06 PM

Actually I am concerned that Mr Obama will not take security serious enough. I see a tendency to want to placate bullies which does not agree with Mr. Biden's Mom.

Almost any educational program dictated and overseen by the Federal Government is bloated, ineffective and misguided. NCLB appears to be one of those programs, but I am not a public school teacher. Anyone wish to jump in on this?

I was not aware that McCain was cutting out private insurance. Could you expound on this?

My family was involved in Vietnam and many would question the validity of that war. Our soldiers served our country, but the politics of it were flawed. I don't think Democrats or Republicans have a monopoly on that end.

I would bet on seeing taxes cuts rescinded, which to me is the same as a tax increase. Politicians are masters at using words, so I am sure it will be explained away somehow or blamed on someone else.

Fear tactics are used on both sides, so again, I do not think either party has a patent on them.

-- Posted by stevemills on Sat, Aug 30, 2008, at 7:08 PM

Actually I am concerned that Mr Obama will not take security serious enough. I see a tendency to want to placate bullies which does not agree with Mr. Biden's Mom.

-- Posted by stevemills on Sat, Aug 30, 2008, at 7:08 PM

Why not? Diplomacy has far reaching effects... Bullies? You think inferior countries like Iran are bullies? LOL!!!!!!! That is beyond laughable...

We are best friends with many many many many communist countries that oppress their people's freedoms... So, since we are allowed to negotiate with the absolute biggest bullies on this earth, why do we show force with countries who can't even defend themselves? Talk about bullies.

-- Posted by Vindicated on Sat, Aug 30, 2008, at 7:13 PM

Steve,

I agree with everything you have stated and could not have stated it any better. Keep up the positive attitude and the good comments.

I still have not decided who to vote for except it will not be the democratic ticket, there are others to vote for still. Almost anyone that get the FEDERAL government back on track might just have my vote.

I am very curious as to the 11 terrorist that are still alive - Did they jump from the planes prior to crashing? Me thinkist their are too many conspriacy theories out there.

-- Posted by Sharon22 on Sat, Aug 30, 2008, at 7:51 PM

Thanks Sharon.

I think they are talking about 11 conspirators. If we had outright killed them we would have been barbarians, but since they are alive, we are co-conspirators. Not sure how to satisfy those conspiracy theorists so I usually let it slide.

Governor Sarah Palin's selection has got me fired up again. I sure hope she turns out to be the powerhouse I think she is, but maybe I am putting too much on her shoulders. It sure is encouraging.

I was not thinking of Iran as a bully but rather the recent Russian activity. I guess I see Iran as a small time bully in their area, but nuclear weapons have a way of upping the stakes.

-- Posted by stevemills on Sat, Aug 30, 2008, at 8:13 PM

I am very curious as to the 11 terrorist that are still alive - Did they jump from the planes prior to crashing? Me thinkist their are too many conspriacy theories out there.

-- Posted by Sharon22 on Sat, Aug 30, 2008, at 7:51 PM

Well they weren't reading children's books in a national crisis... Nor were they on camera saying "pull it" referring to the demolition of Building 7.. Conspiracy theorists? Hmm, you all talk a lot about Jesus yet have no yearning for truth.

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Sat, Aug 30, 2008, at 9:39 PM

darrick_04,

You must provide links to some of these people...

7 are alive...

http://911research.wtc7.net/mirrors/guar...

Building 7 controlled demolition:

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLE...

Also, it is quite odd that these people supposedly want an honest government, yet continue to vote crooks into office... What gives?

-- Posted by Disturbia on Sat, Aug 30, 2008, at 9:46 PM

I still have not decided who to vote for except it will not be the democratic ticket, there are others to vote for still. Almost anyone that get the FEDERAL government back on track might just have my vote.

-- Posted by Sharon22 on Sat, Aug 30, 2008, at 7:51 PM

Ron Paul.. But it's not worth wasting a vote. I love that guy, but he does NOT want people to vote for him if he doesn't get the nomination... which, yes, is possible

-- Posted by Vindicated on Sat, Aug 30, 2008, at 9:54 PM

Governor Sarah Palin's selection has got me fired up again. I sure hope she turns out to be the powerhouse I think she is, but maybe I am putting too much on her shoulders. It sure is encouraging.

-- Posted by stevemills on Sat, Aug 30, 2008, at 8:13 PM

Really, other than the evil Dick Cheney, what does the V.P. do? They provide a tie breaking vote in the Senate, if necessary... Well, if McCain wins, she won't get to do much of that, because there will be plenty of Democrats in the Senate to keep a tie from becoming a possibility.

-- Posted by Vindicated on Sat, Aug 30, 2008, at 9:57 PM

The Palin selection is a ham-handed play for disaffected Hillary Clinton voters. And it's an insulting one: It treats female voters as a single-issue (it's a woman!) special interest to be bought off. The assumption is that women will go tribal, voting for a sister in spite of what she espouses. It's rather insulting really--the kind of assumption that only an aged sexist would make (if I can borrow a smart formulation from a Democrat I communicated with today).

John McCain has been running for president for eight years; Joe Biden for 20; Barack Obama has been running for 18 months. These three have thought through the big national questions. It will be interesting to see how Palin handles her crash course in "I'm ready to be president." (To be clear: I like Obama because of his judgment; nothing I've heard about Palin indicates to me that hers qualifies her for the big office.)

Maybe the McCain thinking is to paint as sexist anyone who questions her qualifications, generating a sisterly backlash.

Certainly the McCain team must understand that questions about Obama's experience are now moot.

Finally, this displays the preening arrogance characteristic of McCain's campaign. The same people who were surprised to learn that a campaign run by lobbyists might have trouble maintaining a maverick, outsider image now produce a vice presidential candidate who is under ethical investigation by the state legislature.

Classic.

-US News

-- Posted by nascarfanatic on Sat, Aug 30, 2008, at 10:05 PM

Steve:

Thanks for your advice & input. I am a very open-minded person & like to hear the broad perspectives of both sides before I make any decision. I am glad you did this blog so that people can air out their thoughts without interruptions. I always try not to take one's difference of opinion personally & sometimes even respect the fact that we can agree to disagree. That's one of the best attributes of our American democracy...Democrats & Republicans...a check & balance body of government. Looks like there are definitely a lot of Obama supporters that blog & seem to be angry at President Bush. As far as the conspiracy theories go, I can not believe them until they are proven true & President Bush, et al are convicted of treason, mass murder, & destruction of justice. As far as the other terrorists Darrick is speaking of, they can be found on the FBI's most wanted list...they haven't caught them yet. Also, even though some on your blog don't like Sarah "barracuda"...I, like you, do like her. I also like Biden & can't wait to watch the veeps debate. I think this is the most interesting & exciting election year I have ever seen! No matter the outcome, history is in the making.

God bless,

-- Posted by XoXo_notes on Sat, Aug 30, 2008, at 11:19 PM

My husband just come in from the Horse Show & said that a lady he works with moved here from Alaska & that her family hopes that McCain does not get it now just so that they can keep Palin as there governor. She said that Sarah Palin was the best thing that ever happened to the state of Alaska :)

-- Posted by XoXo_notes on Sun, Aug 31, 2008, at 12:08 AM

This may make Christian conservatives more excited about voting for Mccain, but how many of those people weren't going to vote for him anyway?

I don't see anybody switching sides.

-- Posted by Richard on Sun, Aug 31, 2008, at 3:34 AM

Maybe the total population of Alaska ;) LOL...

-- Posted by nascarfanatic on Sun, Aug 31, 2008, at 8:10 AM

The following comment points out why I am excited about the VP nominee.

Also, it is quite odd that these people supposedly want an honest government, yet continue to vote crooks into office... What gives?

-- Posted by Disturbia on Sat, Aug 30, 2008, at 9:46 PM

She GOT RID OF CROOKS in governmental agencies AND her own party!

If all one can do is try to tie in Dick Cheney, to Sarah Palin, I think she is already doing well. One of the quotes that the news is pushing is Governor Palin's question about what the VP does as well. They then joked that we won't see that in Republican ads, but if they kept the clip going, they would have heard her say that she does not want the VP position if it is a do nothing job. She is used to being a producer, a go-getter and does not want the job if she can not do substantial things. GO GET'm Sarah.

Surely one does not think the Democrats will be obstructionist by voting down necessary or beneficial legislation, just as a "sour grapes" gesture if the Republicans win. Do you? Responsible representatives who are working for the people would not do that.

Surprisingly, the talking heads I listened to this morning thought the selection was more for reaching the working class and that Hillary supporters would not be affected because of sex alone. She is so different than Hillary in all other areas that her gender would not have any real affect. I tend to agree, which surprised me too. I agreed with the news pundits? Yikes!

Now, the opposition's Party line is saying that it's a gender thing and that the Republicans think the women will flock, mindlessly to them. Cokie Roberts said that this could back-fire against the Democrat. Their premise made sense, but those who can read minds know the best.

John Kerry KNOWS that McCain wanted someone else, but that he bowed to Rush Limbaugh. Who cooks up these party lines? Who is the Democrat soothsayer? John McCain never said what his strategy was so WHO is the "aged sexist" in the Democratic party?

I am not sure how questions about a Presidential candidate are moot. Obama is not any more experienced that Palin, maybe less. She was in Iraq a year before Obama decided to make the trip for political reasons. She was there to support her National Guard troops, not to run for national office. She has run an executive office and fought corruption and lived an everyday life.

When I went back to school for my MBA I learned an unsettling lesson about college professors who have been in the academic world all their lives and never actually practiced any of the things they were teaching me. They seemed to lack a "real world" perspective.

Governor Palin has earned real world perspective by managing a State government and taking on her own political "good old boy" network. She has accomplished some solid improvements in the short time she has been governor and it seems actually has an edge on Mr. Obama. At least in my perspective. I am sure Democrats will discount that but they could do the same for their own candidate and he is running for PRESIDENT not Vice President.

I don't doubt the opposition will try to milk the "investigation by the state legislature" for all it is worth, but in the end I believe it will be much to do about nothing. Time will tell folks and I look forward to the public vetting process. If she is not real, the press will find it.

Now, I too look forward to the debates! It was a ho hum, yeah, yeah, yeah race up until now. If Sarah Palin is not what I expect, I will be sorely disappointed, but at least I will pay attention, where before it was the same old thing.

If you think about it, many of you will realize that I usually stay quiet on political issues. A person of her integrity and bravery has truly fired me up. In the end, we are voting for President, and John McCain has stepped up in my eyes from a week ago.

I can imagine that Alaskans will hate to lose their Governor. That is one of the nicest compliments to give. The National stage NEEDS a person like her and I hope they will see it as a necessary sacrifice. We need to fill the Senate and Congress with people like her. I am sure there are some there and maybe they will take heart at her example.

I would bet that the down-to-earth, hard working people of Alaska are much like their counterparts in the rest of the U.S., including Tennessee. Maybe we should listen to them , take a hard look and reconsider our loyalties to voting and espousing the party line.

-- Posted by stevemills on Sun, Aug 31, 2008, at 11:32 AM

"I pledge that tomorrow night, and if necessary, throughout our convention ... to act as Americans, not Republicans, because America needs us now no matter whether we are Republican or Democrat,'' he said.

So... "if necessary" they'll act like Americans "throughout our convention"... is that admitting, that once the Convention is over, they'll go back to acting like Republicans? Haha. Straight from the elephant's mouth.

-- Posted by nascarfanatic on Sun, Aug 31, 2008, at 11:27 PM

I presume this is from McCain but I think the Democrats had their fair share of acting like Democrats at their convention. And yes, I would say that many walk the party line on both sides.

I never have been quite the party line walker which is one big reason I have never "joined" a political party. In college I suppose I leaned Democrat but a conservative Democrat even then. Somewhere as my life progressed I realized that I was probably more Republican, but there were conflicts with being TOTALLY Republican.

I am not sure how to act as a Democrat or Republican, but if I were to take a shot at it, I would say I would act fanatically enthused, go go go party, yahoo everything the leaders said. That is another reason why I don't go to conventions that try to act as a pep rally. It just isn't a comfortable skin to wear.

-- Posted by stevemills on Mon, Sep 1, 2008, at 8:29 AM

Uh huh...

-- Posted by nascarfanatic on Mon, Sep 1, 2008, at 10:19 AM

And the VP's 17 year old daughter's boyfriend got past first base, second base, and third.. for a home run!!!!!!!!!!

LMAO!

-- Posted by Vindicated on Mon, Sep 1, 2008, at 8:54 PM

A synopsis of Alaskan Politics:

"Ted Stevens, the longest serving Republican in U.S. Senate history, faces trial later this month for allegedly lying on federal disclosure forms to hide $250,000 in gifts from VECO Corp. The state's only congressman, Rep. Don Young, also is under investigation. Five former and current state lawmakers have either been sentenced to federal prison or await trial on bribery and conspiracy charges."

And now we have Gov. Sarah Palin ;)

-- Posted by Vindicated on Mon, Sep 1, 2008, at 9:04 PM

And your point is? I am not sure that Obama supporters want to use guilt through association with other people.

Besides, Governor Palin became popular because of her going after that corruption. She is even reported to have quit a $100,000 per year job because of her principles. Thanks for bringing it up.

And you are LYAO because a teenage girl got pregnant out of wedlock, is keeping the child and plans to marry the father? Strange sense of humor, but.....

-- Posted by stevemills on Mon, Sep 1, 2008, at 9:33 PM

Nope, don't care a thing about her being pregnant. Just love watching them be eat up with hypocrisy.

She quit a $100,000 a year job? Was that after the Beauty pageant or before?

-- Posted by Vindicated on Mon, Sep 1, 2008, at 9:48 PM

How old is the father??? That is what I want to know...

-- Posted by Disturbia on Mon, Sep 1, 2008, at 9:54 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-Es5aIJl...

-- Posted by Disturbia on Mon, Sep 1, 2008, at 10:03 PM

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/200...

Haha... Should be interesting!

-- Posted by nascarfanatic on Mon, Sep 1, 2008, at 10:31 PM

I miss the your meaning of hypocrisy but I can see when a discussion is falling apart.

Snide comments and using a doctored youtube presentation must mean that we have run out of meaningful things to say.

See you on another post and I hope we can have a discussion of original thoughts.

-- Posted by stevemills on Mon, Sep 1, 2008, at 11:01 PM

http://www.t-g.com/blogs/davidmelson/ent...

John McCain picked Sarah Palin to get the enthusiastic support of the evangelical, radical right. He didn't think it would matter that she has no national experience because he perceived he could argue Obama didn't either.

A big miscalculation. Obama presented himself for 17 months to the American people, they heard him debate more than a dozen times, they made their own decision that he was ready for the job and the Democrats voted him their nominee.

Obama wasn't unilaterally appointed by a party's nominee in a transparent play for the evangelical and female vote. As if Sarah Palin could fill Hillary Clinton's shoes by virtue of her gender. As if women wouldn't see that Sarah Palin is the antithesis of Hillary Clinton on issues. As if anything would evoke Palin's lack of qualifications more than to compare them to Hillary's.

John McCain went for a twofer because his campaign was in trouble. He had failed to excite his base with only 60 days to go. He took a risky shortcut to try to catch up, trying to get two birds with one stone. It's backfiring big-time.

Every tv anchor tonight is asking his surrogates what makes Palin qualified. It's the story with the longest legs. Not one of them has anything but a laughable answer. All they can cite is her 1 1/2 years as Governor and her position as chief of the Alaska National Guard. Then they say she's as experienced as Obama. The Democratic pundits on tv are making mincemeat of that argument.

Voters now know Obama. They vetted him during the course of the campaign. 18 million Democrats voted he was their choice. Voters don't know Palin from Adam. What they do know: She's under investigation in Alaska and she's got no relevant experience. And that only now, after selecting her, is McCain sending his team to Alaska to fully vet her.

Voters are left with only two conclusions: Either McCain didn't vet Palin which is shockingly, near-criminally negligent or he did vet Palin and still picked her, which has got to be the most desperate, jaw-droppingly reckless political move in decades.

Sarah Palin is not ready for prime-time or the Vice-Presidency, let alone to be one heartbeat away from the Oval Office."I think she will crash and burn faster than any national candidate in recent memory."

Obama doesn't have to say a thing. The media and public will do it for him.

As I'm typing this, Obama is being interviewed by Anderson Cooper about Gustav. Anderson's last question was how he would answer those who say that Gov. Palin, as mayor of a small town and Gov. of Alaska, has more experience than he does. He didn't miss a beat. He smiled and said Palin's town of Wasilia, Alaska had 50 employees. His campaign has 2500. The town's budget is about $12 million a year. His budget is 3 times that per month. He cited the legislation he's passed on emergency management post-Katrina and that many recommendations he made were adopted and are being put in place as we speak.

-- Posted by Vindicated on Tue, Sep 2, 2008, at 9:50 PM

Good post. The only thing would take issue with is how people interpret things. Some see things as "the most desperate, jaw-droppingly reckless political move in decades" others see it as "a wise, shrewd move that exemplifies his desire to shake up the party status quo."

Some people say tomato and others say tomato.

-- Posted by stevemills on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 8:35 AM

And some fully vet their picks BEFORE choosing them, rather than after...

Nobody can still argue the point that 12 members of the McCain campaign were frantically sent to Alaska days ago, to figure out if what they had done was a mistake. Well, considering the record of rank and file Republicans since 2001, this should be no surprise.

-- Posted by Vindicated on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 9:05 AM

Honestly, I don't like either running mate. Obama's whole campaign has been about change, then he picks someone who has been in Washington for many years. Mccain's whole campaign has been about experience, especially to be commander in chief, then he picks someone with no experience.

It's almost a complete role reversal, and it's just strange.

To Obama's credit, he did not select his running mate based simply on who could help him win the election. Hillary Clinton would have been the easy choice in that case. He made his pick based on who could help him govern once he became President. He may have given in to people who questioned his experience to select Biden, but it was a responsible decision.

Mccain's selection seems to be a political stunt to get votes, and it is already starting to backfire.

-- Posted by Richard on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 1:15 PM

Again in the eye of the beholder.

Republicans strangely think that THEY know what they are thinking and why they do something. THEY say they sent the 12 to help the family handle the onslaught of reporters flooding to the town. I don't doubt that the press resent being caught unprepared and want to make up for lost time.

It is an interesting reversal on both sides. I think Hillary could have helped him win, but I would be nervous with Hillary as my VP for several reasons. Notice, I am not saying that I KNOW why Obama did not choose Clinton, I am giving MY opinion.

On the Republican side, I am enthused by an "outsider" being the choice. I was bored with this campaign until now. And, she seems to call it as she sees it. I hope she does not change.

Tonight is the night to see how the nation really receives Governor Palin. I may actually watch this part of the convention. I have not watched the other stuff, nor did I watch the Democrats.

-- Posted by stevemills on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 1:39 PM

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/cvn_palin_tro...

-- Posted by nathan.evans on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 10:01 PM

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080904/ap_o...

-- Posted by nathan.evans on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 10:03 PM

And Gov. Palin's comment that "there is only one man in the race that has actually fought for you"... priceless. Where was this sentiment during the 2004 GOP Convention when John Kerry was being mocked by disrespectful Republicans wearing bandages with purple hearts painted on them?

-- Posted by nathan.evans on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 10:10 PM

AMEN Nathan!!! They didn't seem to care a thing about who actually fought in war during the 2004 election.

Bush had never fought in a war, now suddenly that is the only requirement Republicans think you should have. Hmm...

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 10:20 PM

Nathan, many won't click on your link so here goes.

PALIN: "I have protected the taxpayers by vetoing wasteful spending ... and championed reform to end the abuses of earmark spending by Congress. I told the Congress 'thanks but no thanks' for that Bridge to Nowhere."

THE FACTS: As mayor of Wasilla, Palin hired a lobbyist and traveled to Washington annually to support earmarks for the town totaling $27 million. In her two years as governor, Alaska has requested nearly $750 million in special federal spending, by far the largest per-capita request in the nation. While Palin notes she rejected plans to build a $398 million bridge from Ketchikan to an island with 50 residents and an airport, that opposition came only after the plan was ridiculed nationally as a "bridge to nowhere."

PALIN: "The Democratic nominee for president supports plans to raise income taxes, raise payroll taxes, raise investment income taxes, raise the death tax, raise business taxes, and increase the tax burden on the American people by hundreds of billions of dollars."

THE FACTS: The Tax Policy Center, a think tank run jointly by the Brookings Institution and the Urban Institute, concluded that Obama's plan would increase after-tax income for middle-income taxpayers by about 5 percent by 2012, or nearly $2,200 annually. McCain's plan, which cuts taxes across all income levels, would raise after tax-income for middle-income taxpayers by 3 percent, the center concluded.

Obama would provide $80 billion in tax breaks, mainly for poor workers and the elderly, including tripling the Earned Income Tax Credit for minimum-wage workers and higher credits for larger families.

He also would raise income taxes, capital gains and dividend taxes on the wealthiest. He would raise payroll taxes on taxpayers with incomes above $250,000, and he would raise corporate taxes. Small businesses that make more than $250,000 a year would see taxes rise.

MCCAIN: "She's been governor of our largest state, in charge of 20 percent of America's energy supply ... She's responsible for 20 percent of the nation's energy supply. I'm entertained by the comparison and I hope we can keep making that comparison that running a political campaign is somehow comparable to being the executive of the largest state in America," he said in an interview with ABC News' Charles Gibson.

THE FACTS: McCain's phrasing exaggerates both claims. Palin is governor of a state that ranks second nationally in crude oil production, but she's no more "responsible" for that resource than President Bush was when he was governor of Texas, another oil-producing state. In fact, her primary power is the ability to tax oil, which she did in concert with the Alaska Legislature. And where McCain called Alaska the largest state in America, he could as easily have called it the 47th largest state -- by population.

MCCAIN: "She's the commander of the Alaska National Guard. ... She has been in charge, and she has had national security as one of her primary responsibilities," he said on ABC.

THE FACTS: While governors are in charge of their state guard units, that authority ends whenever those units are called to actual military service. When guard units are deployed to Iraq or Afghanistan, for example, they assume those duties under "federal status," which means they report to the Defense Department, not their governors. Alaska's national guard units have a total of about 4,200 personnel, among the smallest of state guard organizations.

FORMER MASSACHUSETTS GOV. MITT ROMNEY: "We need change, all right -- change from a liberal Washington to a conservative Washington! We have a prescription for every American who wants change in Washington -- throw out the big-government liberals, and elect John McCain and Sarah Palin."

THE FACTS: A Back-to-the-Future moment. George W. Bush, a conservative Republican, has been president for nearly eight years. And until last year, Republicans controlled Congress. Only since January 2007 have Democrats have been in charge of the House and Senate.

FORMER NEW YORK MAYOR RUDY GIULIANI: "Then he ran for the state legislature and he got elected -- and nearly 130 times he couldn't make a decision. He couldn't figure out whether to vote yes or no. It was too tough. He voted, he voted 'present.' I didn't know about this vote 'present' when I was mayor of New York City. Sarah Palin didn't have this vote present when she was mayor or governor. You don't get present, it doesn't work in an executive job."

THE FACTS: It's true that Obama voted "present" dozens of times, among the thousands of votes he cast in an eight-year span as a member of the Illinois Senate. Illinois lawmakers commonly vote that way on a variety of issues for technical, legal or strategic reasons. Obama, for instance, voted "present" on some abortion measures to encourage wavering legislators to do the same instead of voting "yes." Their "present" votes had the same effect as "no" votes and helped defeat the bills. Voting this way also can be a way to duck a difficult issue, although that's difficult to prove.

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 10:29 PM

Times Magazine:

"It's important to know Palin raised taxes as governor, supported the Bridge to Nowhere before she opposed it, pursued pork barrel projects as mayor, tried to ban books at the local library, and thinks the war in Iraq is 'a task from God. The attempts from the McCain campaign into bullying us from reporting such things are not only stupidly aggressive but unprofessional to the extreme."

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 11:32 PM

In 2004, the Republican Attack Machine called changing your mind on politics "flip-flopping"... Now, it's "evolving" LOL, nice spin! But what is the difference? I personally think changing your mind is perfectly NORMAL in politics, it happens all the time, after all a good compromise is essential to maintaining dialogue ;) But, don't accuse Democrats of "flip-flopping" when it's obvious your own V.P. candidate is guilty of the same.

Watch this video closely... Facts you probably didn't know.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YadR6qNTj...

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 11:39 PM

I believe there is a huge contrast between John Kerry's "service wounds" and John McCain's, as well as some questions raised on how Kerry got those wounds. No nee to go further than that.

I truly wish I could understand all the legal wording and details of the analysis of tax proposals. From the little involvement I have had, I learned that the "devil" is in the details and there are precious few of those for both candidates. I also know that all the great plans from BOTH candidates have to pass the Congress, so there are MANY issues and revisions made before the plan actually comes to a vote.

The Democrats took control of the Congress in January of 2007 and in the July "Rasmussen poll, the percentage of voters who give Congress good or excellent ratings fell to single digits for the first time in the polling firm's history.

According to the July 1 survey of 1,000 likely voters, only 9 percent of respondents said Congress is doing a good or excellent job, while 52 percent surveyed said Congress was doing a poor job, which ties the record high in that category."

As a result, I have to judge my vote based on which candidate has goals most like me and who has the best chance to accomplish those goals. Some of that is experience, but a lot of it is based on who they surround themselves with, their integrity and their determination.

-- Posted by stevemills on Thu, Sep 4, 2008, at 11:55 AM

Surely you understand Steve that the Democrats have a simple majority only and cannot overturn a presidential veto which forces them to work with Republicans and the President Bush to accomplish anything. This problem creates a stalemate in the national government that really is a beneficial to the nation because it forced the end of the all-you-can-eat buffet that the Republicans had been dining on for 6 years.

-- Posted by nathan.evans on Thu, Sep 4, 2008, at 12:09 PM

If Obama wins he will make the republicans buffet look like cheese and crackers.

-- Posted by greasemonkey on Thu, Sep 4, 2008, at 1:17 PM

If Obama wins he will make the republicans buffet look like cheese and crackers.

-- Posted by greasemonkey on Thu, Sep 4, 2008, at 1:17 PM

Oh please explain greasemonkey. Last time I checked the last budget surplus was created by the Democrats. How many budget surpluses has George Bush had during his two terms which also included 6 years with a Congress controlled by his own party? Oh and what have we been spending all these trillions of dollars on during the last eight years? Hmmm.... Iraq maybe? What a joke! Really though I am dying to hear your thoughts on this greasemonkey!

-- Posted by nathan.evans on Thu, Sep 4, 2008, at 2:23 PM

The deficit is troublesome to me as well and a disappointment.

It would be nice if we could tell what it would have looked like without Sept.11 and what it did to all the families as well as our country. The Iraq war is related to that expense and then we had Katrina.

If those could be factored out, where would we be? The terrorists may be wounded but they certainly extracted a great price from the world society.

Yes, I know the Democrats must work with the Republicans, as the Republicans had to work with the Democrats for many years, but the opinion has never been so low.

-- Posted by stevemills on Thu, Sep 4, 2008, at 2:48 PM

A Democrat was in the White House and who controlled congress coming up with the surplus? Again (i guess i should just lead every post with this,cause its getting old.) I am not a republican and I do not support Pres. Bush. I also do not plan to vote for Sen. McCain.

With that out of the way. Obama has plans to increase spending exponentially. Of course all the members of the church of Obama will say nay nay, but how do you give all the money he plans to give, and not spend more. With all the programs he plans to start and the foreign countrys he plans to bring out of poverty how do you not spend more. His calculator must be out of batteries or something.

-- Posted by greasemonkey on Thu, Sep 4, 2008, at 3:39 PM

Simple greasemonkey... stop spending a billion dollars a week supporting the people of Iraq that now have enough revenues in oil and a $31 billion dollar budget surplus for starters. Next we stop giving oil companies tax breaks and start taxing their windfall profits heavily. And lastly Obama is going to streamline the tax code to make it more fair across the board and scrap the Republican's trickle down economics policies.

-- Posted by nathan.evans on Thu, Sep 4, 2008, at 4:02 PM

Oh yeah and who controlled congress when we had the last budget surplus? The Democrats.

-- Posted by nathan.evans on Thu, Sep 4, 2008, at 4:03 PM

ROFL, do you think the oil companies care if they get taxed on their profit. They will just pass it down in the form of higher fuel to you and me.

So he replaces the money going to the war in Iraq with some of his other hairbrain schemes, like the Global Poverty Act, which should scare anyone to death when they read the fine print.

By more fair across the board, you mean punish the wealthy and the business owner with higher taxes. Shame on them for creating jobs and being successful. They should know better than to take advantage of this land of opportunity.

I believe the republicans controlled congress when Pres Clinton was in office. (he wasnt as far left as Obama either, BTW)

-- Posted by greasemonkey on Thu, Sep 4, 2008, at 4:40 PM

I checked on how a windfall profit was defined and found a slightly different interpretation each time. Do we have a tax person out there who knows how the IRS defines income to be a windfall?

I would like to know if there are any plans to reimburse from the oil surplus Iraq is starting to see. I would hope that our infusion of money is drawing to a close, but does anyone have FACTS?

-- Posted by stevemills on Thu, Sep 4, 2008, at 5:09 PM

I believe the republicans controlled congress when Pres Clinton was in office. (he wasnt as far left as Obama either, BTW)

-- Posted by greasemonkey on Thu, Sep 4, 2008, at 4:40 PM

Very true, and they are the same Republicans who helped turn the surplus into 5 consecutive years of deficits.... That's what happens when your boss never says no!

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Thu, Sep 4, 2008, at 6:49 PM

ROFL, do you think the oil companies care if they get taxed on their profit. They will just pass it down in the form of higher fuel to you and me. -- Posted by greasemonkey on Thu, Sep 4, 2008, at 4:40 PM

Why didn't we feel the effects of this under Clinton and the "Republican controlled Congress" IRONIC? No.. Covert in nature, absolutely.

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Thu, Sep 4, 2008, at 6:50 PM

http://news.yahoo.com/s/bloomberg/afxhgf...

130,000 Obama supporters donate $10 million the day after Palin speech ;

-- Posted by Vindicated on Thu, Sep 4, 2008, at 7:28 PM

I believe the republicans controlled congress when Pres Clinton was in office. (he wasnt as far left as Obama either, BTW)

-- Posted by greasemonkey on Thu, Sep 4, 2008, at 4:40 PM

Yes you are correct. My statement was incorrect.

-- Posted by nathan.evans on Thu, Sep 4, 2008, at 8:20 PM

There are so many people here that passionately argue their politics, and I just can't believe that either side is wrong. Apparently, there is not a problem with either side's logic, or their morals. Maybe we should all change the way we look at politics, and in turn, maybe what we see will also change. Five books that should be read (and understood) in my opinion, to provide a minimally basic and more accurate perspective of our world are The Art of War, The Republic, The Prince, Das Capital and The Wealth of Nations. If someone that supports either party will read these books and can take the next step and impose that knowledge onto the world you live in, your perspective will change. I also find that some of the modern economists make things clearer for me. I know that sounds boring, but people tend to get accountants and economists confused. Accountants figure tokens, while economists build nations and create policy. Always try to look at the big picture first. It makes the minutia relevant…and sometimes irrelevant. Just a thought I had, and it's worth exactly what it cost.

-- Posted by memyselfi on Fri, Sep 5, 2008, at 12:02 AM

That's a healthy reading list. I have heard many recommend the Art of War, so that might be my first.

-- Posted by stevemills on Fri, Sep 5, 2008, at 8:27 AM

Yes, I am passionate about my political views, and I dont believe the other side is "wrong" just different from my views. I think I may come across too mean spirited, but I dont mean to. I just love a good debate, especially with a passionate opponent, and there are plenty on here, lol. I have even made friends with some of these opponents (i.e. a different monkey), and have changed some of my views when I thought I was wrong.

-- Posted by greasemonkey on Fri, Sep 5, 2008, at 9:55 AM

Steve, That is the oldest, and one of the hardest to impose on our current situations, unless you are a military strategist. It is also one of the shorter ones, only about 70-80 fairly short pages. If you seriously have an interest, I have an extra copy with a pretty good historical introduction that you can have. I also have an mp3 file that I could send you if you prefer to listen. I used to have a book by McNeilly that expounded on the ways to apply the book to interpersonal relationships in business and management. It was much easier to understand and apply, but I already gave it away. Its probably pretty cheap on ebay or amazon though.

greasemonkey, I agree, the debate is the draw for me too, and I may just learn something while Im doing it. I have never been convinced, or even swayed, by an opinion that I haven't been exposed to.

-- Posted by memyselfi on Fri, Sep 5, 2008, at 12:32 PM

I searched The Art of War and got 600 hits. I presume it is by Tzu Sun? Got 92 hits on that but many are different books or CD/DVD.

I found an abbreviated 13 chapter version from 1910. I will work through that and see where it goes. At first blush, I think I might like to get that version you mention by McNeilly.

It would be good to hear how it is being interpreted for business and management.

-- Posted by stevemills on Fri, Sep 5, 2008, at 4:45 PM

She didn't "Sell" that plane on Ebay either! It is VERY obvious Karl Rove wrote her speech, because it was full of half-truths.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/200...

-- Posted by Disturbia on Fri, Sep 5, 2008, at 7:07 PM

For the third time, Gov. Palin said she "put it on eBay" not that she sold it on eBay. Many people use that saying when they talk about getting rid of something, but at least she DID do it.

If this is such an important thing that you bring it up three times, I would call it being desperate for something on which to criticize her. That could be seen as a positive not a negative.

-- Posted by stevemills on Sat, Sep 6, 2008, at 9:47 AM

John McCain himself was quoted as saying, she "SOLD the plane on Ebay, for a profit..." when in fact, she DID NOT sell it on Ebay. She did however sell it through a private brick and mortar company, for a loss.... No problem with that... but why not just tell the whole truth?

And why on Earth would you even MENTION you put a $2 million plane on Ebay, if that isn't where you sold it? Hmm...

Makes me wonder too, if she's going to stand up to oil companies and lobbyists will she start with John McCain's ENTIRE campaign staff? ;)

-- Posted by nascarfanatic on Sun, Sep 7, 2008, at 3:02 AM

She probably stood up to at least one and changed her statement to "put it on eBay". For those of us who are aware of eBay, I think you will admit that it is common to hear people say, sell it on eBay, or I sold it on eBay.

Gov. Palin had it right but Sen. McCain's writers need to be replaced, or given a serious talking to and while I know it is tough to personally check out all statements put in a speech, Sen. McCain should have checked it out with the source.

-- Posted by stevemills on Sun, Sep 7, 2008, at 10:06 AM


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Steve Mills and his wife have one daughter and live on a farm outside of Bell Buckle. They previously owned two coffee/ice cream shops, currently operate an internet sales company and teach classes, but his primary job involves the paper industry worldwide. Hobbies and interests lie in gardening, photography, recorded music and of course, their pets.