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Let's Start a New conversation, Republican Convention Yes/No

Posted Monday, September 1, 2008, at 9:08 AM

In the blog entry about Sarah Palin we shifted direction from time to time, but the last comment brought up the McCain comment about shifting from wearing Republican hats to wearing American hats. Taken out of context it sounded a bit sarcastic to me, but it made a good point to discuss.

"I pledge that tomorrow night, and if necessary, throughout our convention ... to act as Americans, not Republicans, because America needs us now no matter whether we are Republican or Democrat,'' he said.

So... "if necessary" they'll act like Americans "throughout our convention"... is that admitting, that once the Convention is over, they'll go back to acting like Republicans? Haha. Straight from the elephant's mouth.

-- Posted by nascarfanatic on Sun, Aug 31, 2008, at 11:27 PM

Apparently the Republican faithful wanted to move forward with the convention as planned. McCain said NO. He said the Gustav hurricane needed the country's attention, regardless of losing TV and exposure time to the convention. Sounds like a good responsible decision. What do you think?

I am not sure how to act as a Democrat or Republican, but if I were to take a shot at it, I would say I would act fanatically enthused, go go go party, yahoo everything the leaders said. That is another reason why I don't go to conventions that try to act as a pep rally. It just isn't a comfortable skin to wear.

Bob Schieffer of CBS News commented that the Republicans had little choice, but gave credit to McCain for over-ruling his supporters plan to carry on as planned and refused to allow the convention to party while Americans were in potential danger from the storm.

Your thoughts?


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I'm not really sure why the conventions are held anymore. At one point in the not to past history, the candidates were not known until the convention, after several rounds of voting and speeches by those running. It seems to me they could meet for an hour meeting, confirm the candidate, and go home, and save a few bucks in the process.

-- Posted by Sharon22 on Mon, Sep 1, 2008, at 10:08 AM

Wonder why they didn't act as Americans when Katrina hit? Hmmm...

-- Posted by nascarfanatic on Mon, Sep 1, 2008, at 10:18 AM

I think their meetings will be abbreviated to get the business done without a lot of the extras. I hear they are even thinking of using one day as a fundraiser for Gustav victims.

Nascarfanatic, I am proud to be an American, but I am at a loss what I should have been doing that day to prove my patriotism. We know Mr. McCain was having a birthday that day and was not(to my knowledge) responsible for Katrina response. Maybe you could find out what Mr. Obama was doing that day so we could compare apples to apples?

-- Posted by stevemills on Mon, Sep 1, 2008, at 1:42 PM

Great response Steve

-- Posted by Dianatn on Mon, Sep 1, 2008, at 3:47 PM

It sounds a lot to me like political posturing. I would imagine that if everything else is in place, we do not really need to stop events throughout the country in anticipation of a storm. There were missteps during Katrina, but overkill in response may not be a great idea. It was a bold move though. Maybe McCain has some more surprises left in him.

-- Posted by memyselfi on Mon, Sep 1, 2008, at 6:29 PM

I just think it's absolutely wonderful they didn't get to start tonight... If human beings can't stop their lies perhaps mother nature will do it for us ;)

-- Posted by nascarfanatic on Mon, Sep 1, 2008, at 8:11 PM

I do not believe God brings on destruction, but I absolutely 100% believe he brings on distraction!!! Amen.

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Mon, Sep 1, 2008, at 8:37 PM

About that convention... Haha!!!!!!!!!!!

-- Posted by Vindicated on Mon, Sep 1, 2008, at 9:06 PM

I am proud to be an American, but I am at a loss what I should have been doing that day to prove my patriotism. We know Mr. McCain was having a birthday that day and was not(to my knowledge) responsible for Katrina response. Maybe you could find out what Mr. Obama was doing that day so we could compare apples to apples?

-- Posted by stevemills on Mon, Sep 1, 2008, at 1:42 PM

Mccain criticized the Bush administration for the response to Katrina, but HE WAS THERE WITH BUSH, just hours after the levees broke, laughing it up with Bush at the airport, eating birthday cake, as people were dying and begging Bush to send help. It was a disgrace, and they know it. That's why they are making such a big deal about Gustav.

I don't know what Obama was doing that day, but he did everything he could afterward to help the victims of Katrina, and many of his efforts are helping people affected by this storm as well. What did Mccain do?

Obama's record on Hurricane Katrina

Sept. 2, 2005: Obama holds press conference urging Illinoisans to contribute to the Hurricane Katrina relief efforts.

Sept. 5, 2005: Obama goes to Houston to visit evacuees with Presidents Clinton and Bush.

Sept. 7, 2005: Obama introduces bill to create a national emergency family locator system

Sept. 8, 2005: Obama introduces bill to create a National Emergency Volunteers Corps.

Sept. 8, 2005: Obama co-sponsors the Katrina Emergency Relief Act of 2005 introduced by Senator Harry Reid

Sept. 8, 2005: Obama co-sponsors the Hurricane Katrina Bankruptcy Relief and Community Protection Act of 2005 introduced by Senator Russ Feingold

Sept. 12, 2005: Obama introduces legislation requiring states to create an emergency evacuation plan for society's most vulnerable

Sept. 15, 2005: Obama issues public response to President Bush's speech about Gulf Coast rebuilding.

Sept. 21, 2005: Obama co-sponsors bill to establish a Katrina commission to investigate response to the disaster introduced by Hillary Clinton

Sept. 21, 2005: Obama appears on NPR to discuss the role of poverty in Hurricane Katrina.

Sept. 22, 2005: Obama and Coburn's Hurricane Katrina financial oversight bill unanimously passes Senate committee.

Sept. 22, 2005: Obama's amendment requiring evacuation plans unanimously passes Senate committee.

Sept. 28, 2005: Obama and Coburn issue statement about the need for a Chief Financial Officer to oversee the financial mismanagement and suspicious contracts occurring in the reconstruction process

Sept. 29, 2005: Obama and Coburn investigate possible FEMA refusal of free cruise ship offer

Oct. 6, 2005: Obama and Coburn issue statement on FEMA Decision to re-bid Katrina contracts

Oct. 6, 2005: Obama co-sponsors Gulf Coast Infrastructure Redevelopment and Recovery Act of 2005.

Oct. 21, 2005: Obama releases statement decrying the extension of FEMA director, Michael "Brownie" Brown's contract. Obama calls Brown's contract extension, "unconscionable."

Nov. 17, 2005: Obama and Coburn introduce legislation asking FEMA to immediately re-bid all Katrina reconstruction contracts.

Feb. 1, 2006: Obama gives Senate floor speech on his legislation to help children affected by Hurricane Katrina

Feb. 2, 2006: Obama introduces legislation to help low-income children affected by Hurricane Katrina

Feb. 23, 2006: Obama issues statement responding to a White House report on Hurricane Katrina. Obama noted that the top two recommendations that the report had for the federal government were initiatives he had been working on since immediately after the storm hit. Obama called the administration's response "delinquent."

May 2, 2006: Obama gives speech about no-bid contracts in Hurricane Katrina reconstruction

May 4, 2006: Obama's legislation to end no-bid contracts for Hurricane Katrina reconstruction passed the Senate.

June 15, 2006: Obama and Coburn announce legislation to require amendment to create competitive bidding for Hurricane Katrina reconstruction for federal contracts over $500,000. Although it passed previously, the language was stripped in conference.

June 15, 2006: Obama releases podcast about his pending Katrina reconstruction legislation in the Senate.

June 16, 2006: Obama and Coburn get no-bid Hurricane Katrina reconstruction amendment into Department of Defense authorization bill.

July 14, 2006: Obama and Coburn's legislation to end abuse of no-bid contracts passes senate as amendment to Department of Defense authorization bill.

August 11, 2006: Obama visits Xavier University in New Orleans to give Commencement address

August 14, 2006: Obama and Coburn ask FEMA to address ballooning no-bid contracts for Gulf Coast reconstruction

Sept. 29, 2006: Obama and Coburn legislation to prevent abuse of no-bid contracts in the wake of disaster passes Senate to be sent to President's desk to become law.

Feb. 2007-Present: As Obama begins his Presidential campaign he references Katrina as a part of his stump speech as he travels around the country in his familiar line, "That we are not a country which preaches compassion and justice to others while we allow bodies to float down the streets of a major American city. That is not who we are."

June 20, 2007: Obama co-sponsors Gulf Coast Housing Recovery Act of 2007 introduced by Senator Chris Dodd.

July 27, 2007: Obama and colleagues get a measure in the Homeland Security bill that will investigate FEMA trailers that may contain the toxic chemical, formaldehyde.

Aug. 26, 2007: Obama outlines a detailed Hurricane Katrina recovery plan.

December 18, 2007: Obama calls on President Bush to protect affordable housing in New Orleans

February 16, 2008: Obama releases statement on toxic Gulf Coast trailer

-- Posted by Richard on Tue, Sep 2, 2008, at 3:03 AM

I was aware of what Obama did AFTER the hurricane. Actually the most activity I believe we saw more out of him since he came to the Senate. The point made was what John McCain was doing and it is only fair to look at what Mr. Obama "knew, when he knew it, and how long before HE was reacting.

I am not talking about Mr. Bush. It is generally accepted that he did not respond appropriately, but you are comparing Mr. McCain who was having a birthday, probably knew less than Bush or at least heard it from a man who thought things were under control to Mr. Obama.

Did he have a psychic and was aware of what the President did not know? If so, why did he not share it with the nation so we could be more help? If not, why are you comparing him to Mr. McCain?

I believe it is just more "spin" of politics, not any constructive observations.

-- Posted by stevemills on Tue, Sep 2, 2008, at 7:07 AM

Mr. Obama was an Illinois state Senator, not a U.S. Senator at the time of Katrina... That's like asking the Governor of Alaska to be commander in chief when they obviously aren't capable... LMAO!

-- Posted by Vindicated on Tue, Sep 2, 2008, at 8:00 AM

Once again the Republicans prove that they are a despicable bunch mainly motivated by money and the political offices that earn it for them. The Gustav Convention act is yet another scene in their play of lies and deception, designed to make the GOP appear to be something it is not. Those of us not blinded by the ridiculous religious arguments that needlessly rage in this country, can see that Gustav was seen by McCain's political advisers as an opportunity to make up for Katrina, especially if a catastrophe actually did happen. I am overjoyed that the curtain is closing fast on this bunch of cronies and that it only took six years to expose the Republicans' avarice.

-- Posted by nathan.evans on Tue, Sep 2, 2008, at 9:34 AM

I admit I don't follow Obama, but how did he do all the things listed by Richard above as an Illinois Senator within days of the event?

Here is a sample:

Sept. 2, 2005: Obama holds press conference urging Illinoisans to contribute to the Hurricane Katrina relief efforts.

Sept. 5, 2005: Obama goes to Houston to visit evacuees with Presidents Clinton and Bush.

Sept. 7, 2005: Obama introduces bill to create a national emergency family locator system

Sept. 8, 2005: Obama introduces bill to create a National Emergency Volunteers Corps.

Sept. 8, 2005: Obama co-sponsors the Katrina Emergency Relief Act of 2005 introduced by Senator Harry Reid etc., etc.

Did he have an honorary membership to the U.S. Senate, or is this information inaccurate?

I think he certainly mobilized on this and that was because he had the Presidency in his sites. A bit misleading to his constituents to run for an office to serve them, when he was going somewhere else all along. Of course, that is not new to politicians, which is why I like Sarah Palin. She is real and had no idea she might have this opportunity.

Granted, if I was from Alaska, I would feel a bit short-changed, but it was not planned all along.

I am surprised the haters of the Republican Party stopped short of claiming the Republicans PLANNED Gustav or knew it was not going to be as powerful and actually planted people inside the meteorological establishment to over-state the power of it.

Answering these slams are getting old, so this may be my last response to those type of comments. I say this just so you know you did not win anything, just bore me and is the reason why I stopped paying attention to political campaigns.

Make substantiated comments and I will enjoy discussing it with you.

-- Posted by stevemills on Tue, Sep 2, 2008, at 11:27 AM

Make substantiated comments and I will enjoy discussing it with you.

-- Posted by stevemills on Tue, Sep 2, 2008, at 11:27 AM

My comments are substantiated. The show that the Republicans have put on because of Gustav is just that... a put on.

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From the gopconvention2008.com:

Rick Davis, campaign manager for John McCain 2008, announced that the upcoming Republican National Nominating Convention is making serious revisions to the convention program and surrounding activities. Davis said, "We are deeply concerned about the safety and welfare of the residents of the Gulf State region. Our top priority is to assist those who will be affected by Hurricane Gustav. This is not a time for politics or celebration; it is a time for us to come together as Americans and assist the residents of the Gulf States."

Chairman of the Republican National Committee Robert M. "Mike" Duncan added, "The safety and well-being of the people of the Gulf States remains our top concern. We are doing everything we can on the ground in Minneapolis-Saint Paul to ensure that the delegations affected by this storm have the resources and information that they need. As Senator McCain said this morning, we must redirect our attention and efforts. We will act as Americans - not Republicans - to help our fellow citizens in need."

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This is political posturing to the extreme. The GOP did not want to risk a chance of their convention coinciding with a catastrophic hurricane and invoking the memory of Katrina with the nation watching, without a strategy for damage control. It is just my opinion, deny it if you like, but that is what I am seeing here, plain and simple.

-- Posted by nathan.evans on Tue, Sep 2, 2008, at 3:11 PM

I wonder how the DNC would have responded had this happened during their convention. I also wonder how the media would have spun it. The GOP may be doing political posturing, at least it's for a good cause and they did respond.

-- Posted by Sharon22 on Tue, Sep 2, 2008, at 3:20 PM

To paraphrase your post from another blog Nathan, you must be close personal friends with the GOP to have such insight into what they meant versus what they said. Looks to me like they were in a damned if they did and damned if they didn't situation and they chose to do what was right.

-- Posted by devan on Tue, Sep 2, 2008, at 3:55 PM

If you don't like a particular political party or candidate, it is a sure thing that your eyes will see it the way you believe.

There is probably not much more that can be said to someone who is set, so I agree that from certain eyes, they are damned if they do and damned if they don't.

-- Posted by stevemills on Tue, Sep 2, 2008, at 6:10 PM

I wonder how the DNC would have responded had this happened during their convention. I also wonder how the media would have spun it. The GOP may be doing political posturing, at least it's for a good cause and they did respond.

-- Posted by Sharon22 on Tue, Sep 2, 2008, at 3:20 PM

I wonder too... The GOP was praying for rain so Obama would have to alter the last speech of the Convention ;)

Be careful what you pray for, Republicans.

-- Posted by nascarfanatic on Tue, Sep 2, 2008, at 9:29 PM

So, when tragedy strikes you postpone a Convention, but the very next day you continue it, rather than going to those states and helping..

Pretty easy I suppose.

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Tue, Sep 2, 2008, at 9:36 PM

About that convention... Haha!!!!!!!!!!!

-- Posted by Vindicated on Tue, Sep 2, 2008, at 9:51 PM

I admit I don't follow Obama, but how did he do all the things listed by Richard above as an Illinois Senator within days of the event?

Did he have an honorary membership to the U.S. Senate, or is this information inaccurate?

-- Posted by stevemills on Tue, Sep 2, 2008, at 11:27 AM

The information I posted is accurate. Obama was in the U.S. Senate during Katrina. Compare it to Mccain's actions (or lack of) AFTER Katrina, as well as his voting record. It is clear to me who is more capable of dealing with a national emergency.

One grand gesture during an election year does not make up for years of negligence.

-- Posted by Richard on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 12:06 AM

OK, so this comment is not accurate then?

Mr. Obama was an Illinois state Senator, not a U.S. Senator at the time of Katrina... That's like asking the Governor of Alaska to be commander in chief when they obviously aren't capable... LMAO!

I don't have a time line of McCain's actions after Katrina, so for lack of information, I concede. If someone does have that info, please post it for us to compare.

Gratefully, Ivan was not the monster storm predicted. While I know some folks took a direct hit from the hurricane the recovery needed does not appear to be on the scale of Katrina.

-- Posted by stevemills on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 8:19 AM

I think you mean Gustav, Ivan has yet to hit the U.S. and it doesn't surprise me that you'd be willing to vote for someone who you don't even have the information on. Point in case as to why George and Dick have been given 8 years to get it right, and have failed miserably... All the while John McCain praised them, except for maybe once or twice.

-- Posted by Vindicated on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 9:02 AM

Katrina/Obama timeline: Obama sworn in as US Senator January 2005. Katrina hit New Orleans August, 2005.

-- Posted by devan on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 10:19 AM

Come on Vindicated, lets stop throwing barbs. I am trying my best not to throw them back, so let's stay on target. I believe McCain criticized the Bush administration more than once or twice, or maybe it was the press playing it up so much that it seemed like more.

I am excited about voting for a person who appears to have the qualities I agree with. If that changes before the elections, so will my vote. I am not someone who votes party line. I vote my conscience.

Yes, I did mean Gustav.

I agree on the time-line, and was just responding to another entry saying he was an IL State Senator at the time.

-- Posted by stevemills on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 1:49 PM

In 2004, the Republican Attack Machine called changing your mind on politics "flip-flopping"... Now, it's "evolving" LOL, nice spin! But what is the difference? I personally think changing your mind is perfectly NORMAL in politics, it happens all the time, after all a good compromise is essential to maintaining dialogue ;) But, don't accuse Democrats of "flip-flopping" when it's obvious your own V.P. candidate is guilty of the same.

Watch this video closely... Facts you probably didn't know.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YadR6qNTj...

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 11:39 PM

I had not seen that particular clip, but not really anything that bothers me here. I can see where it gives talking points for the opposition, but it does not seem to go very far.

As the fellow giving the expose' said, the facts are that the trooper was suspended and the head of the department was terminated for apparent conflicts in budget. That is what they apparently know.

I also saw a clip where the supervisor stated that NO one connected to Gov. Palin, including Gov. Palin told him to fire the trooper. I don't see it our there very much, but it is there.

If she is the reformer that the Republicans are promoting, I expect she will be making some enemies and those enemies now see a National stage to try to get back at her. After last night's speech, I expect her to prevail, but as some of you will gladly admit, I don't know everything. It is just my opinion.

-- Posted by stevemills on Thu, Sep 4, 2008, at 11:21 AM

Sheeple.

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Thu, Sep 4, 2008, at 6:51 PM

Stu stu stu studder... McCain. Really, if the teleprompter is that difficult to read, maybe you should speak from the heart.

-- Posted by Vindicated on Thu, Sep 4, 2008, at 9:49 PM

Public speaking is no doubt an art. Even when speaking from the heart and especially when I am passionate about something, I find the words start flooding the to the brain and their is a traffic jam at the vocal chords.

I would bet your comment was not meant to belittle anyone who has a stutter, just trying to comment about McCain's presentation.

Trying to categorize or label people is a favorite pastime of many. It is amazing how easily they can be used for both sides of a political argument.

-- Posted by stevemills on Fri, Sep 5, 2008, at 8:38 AM

Public speaking is no doubt an art. Even when speaking from the heart and especially when I am passionate about something, I find the words start flooding the to the brain and their is a traffic jam at the vocal chords. -- Posted by stevemills on Fri, Sep 5, 2008, at 8:38 AM

That's Funny. I can relate to that as well. : )

-- Posted by Momof3&3step&1gran on Mon, Sep 8, 2008, at 9:58 AM


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