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The VP vetting begins as a result of bloggers

Posted Monday, September 1, 2008, at 4:56 PM

One of the great things about the internet and blogs is that the individual can have a voice that is heard around the world. One of the drawbacks is that it shows the both the great side of humanity as well as the seamy side. There is very little way to know what is truth or not and very little accountability for accuracy.

Some have chosen to imply that Governor Palin's youngest child is actually their daughter's. This has resulted in the Palins making a private matter, very public by stating that their 17 year old daughter is in fact five months pregnant, plans to have the baby and also plans to marry the father.

Mr. Obama made a statement that he firmly believes in family being off-limits adds that he does not condone it and will fire any of his workers if he finds someone behind this. I believe him and that should be that, but the press is running with it.

I believe we suffer when many qualified candidates shy away from public service because so much of their family's privacy will be lost. Is family off limits?


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I do not think so. I think every family has some problems. I see no reason to hide from them. If everyone would finally realize that no family is perfect, we may find ourselves being less judgmental. I also believe that how a person relates to their family speaks volumes about their character. For example, I do wonder why this pregnant daughter was not in the public eye before. It sounds to me as if she has been dug up from her previously hidden position by some investigative reporter, but I do not know anything about the specifics. It was all news to me. I personally am more bothered about the apparent dishonesty than the daughter that put herself in a difficult position. We are all human after all.

-- Posted by memyselfi on Mon, Sep 1, 2008, at 6:43 PM

Funny how the very same right-wing Neo Cons were lambasting Clinton for his alleged affair... they didn't want that to be a private matter, in fact it was about the only negative thing they could blame on Clinton :)

When the tide turns, suddenly someone is entitled to respect because it is a private matter. Can't have it both ways, regardless of the fact that she's 17. If this were Obama's daughter, each and everyone of those Conservative pundits would have a field day. They want respect now? Hmmm... Maybe they should practice what they preach?

-- Posted by nascarfanatic on Mon, Sep 1, 2008, at 8:14 PM

All about family values and morals.. Uh huh. Look I am the LEAST judgmental person you will meet, but I don't want to have the party of morals, which tries in vain to legislate morality tell me or anyone how we should live our lives, when they can't do the same in their own home.

This isn't about liberals disrespecting a personal issue, it is about the issue of hypocrisy. Someone who fights corruption, injustice and instills Christian beliefs is all well and good, until those beliefs she instills are not even practiced at home. Again, nobody is perfect, and quite frankly the fact their her daughter is 17, unmarried and pregnant should be a private issue, but how many of you have gossiped about local girls in the very same situation. I can only imagine, in this part of the country, it happens more than you'd like to admit.

Again, the fact the the teenager is pregnant doesn't even bother me, at all... It is just ironic that the Conservatives are asking the national media (CNN, Fox News, NBC, etc) to keep this private but in her very own home state, it is the largest news event.

Also ironic, as governor she wanted abstinence programs taught in public schools, in fact she was a HUGE advocate for it... Makes me wonder, did she teach abstinence at home? Sex education is a million times more beneficial than telling a auditorium full of hormonal teenagers to be scared of sex, obviously ;)

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Mon, Sep 1, 2008, at 8:35 PM

A synopsis of Alaskan Politics:

"Ted Stevens, the longest serving Republican in U.S. Senate history, faces trial later this month for allegedly lying on federal disclosure forms to hide $250,000 in gifts from VECO Corp. The state's only congressman, Rep. Don Young, also is under investigation. Five former and current state lawmakers have either been sentenced to federal prison or await trial on bribery and conspiracy charges."

And now we have Gov. Sarah Palin ;)

-- Posted by Vindicated on Mon, Sep 1, 2008, at 9:06 PM

Nascarfanatic . . . while I agree what Clinton did was a private affair and the media and Republicans made too much of an issue of it but he is an adult and can handle it. Palin's daughter is still a child and this really is a private matter and this situation unfortunately happens across America. I respect Palin for taking on the issue and still loving her child and standing behind her. That is a true mother and I can only respect that.

Darrick_04 . . . are you a parent? If not, then don't be so fast to judge. While she may have been for abstinence, Palin actually never forced the issue in Alaska and allowed schools to choose their own methods of education and many schools taught sex education. Still though, we can teach our children all we want but they will always make bad judgments because they are human and immature. We can only hope they learn what we teach them and go through life making all the right decisions. They don't always do that though and how they recover from that says a lot about them.

And really, this whole issue is about LIBERAL BLOGGERS basically using a private issue to act stupid and discuss family matters and gossip instead of real issues and problems. I am sorry, I may not like the Republican party but I do not like the fact that Democrats have become more or less a gossip machine and pulling stupid stunts like this. People need to start acting like real adults and start taking on real problems and issues.

-- Posted by jaxspike on Mon, Sep 1, 2008, at 9:39 PM

Also Vindicated . . how is Palin's daughter being pregnant even compared to what has happened to Stevens and Young?

That kind of statement by you just proves how ignorant politics and certain bloggers have become. It saddens me that instead of talking about REAL ISSUES, we are talking about something like this.

Oh well, no wonder we get stuck with horrible politicians because people would rather mouth off stupidity and not deal with real issues.

-- Posted by jaxspike on Mon, Sep 1, 2008, at 9:42 PM

Mouth of? It isn't mouthing off jaxspike. It is pointing out hypocrisy. Nothing else. The party of morals has again become the laughing joke involving morals.

-- Posted by Vindicated on Mon, Sep 1, 2008, at 9:46 PM

Also Vindicated . . how is Palin's daughter being pregnant even compared to what has happened to Stevens and Young?

-- Posted by jaxspike on Mon, Sep 1, 2008, at 9:39 PM

Has to do with her ethical investigation... You know, the corruption-less lady.

-- Posted by Vindicated on Mon, Sep 1, 2008, at 9:50 PM

If you were to have sex or even so much as verbally sexually harass someone at your job...on the job...would you not be fired? I know I would.

Bill Clinton's misconduct in the Oval Office was hopefully not on the job training. If you want to have sex or an affair on your own property, time, or in a hotel somewhere is one thing, but on the job...in the Oval Office...the people's office is another. Talking about our tax dollars at work...

Don't get me wrong, I like Bill, and actually did not let his over active libido and sexual weakness keep me from voting him Prez both times. However, Palin's situation is a whole different case...does not even parallel with Bill's.

I am a parent. I try to raise my children to be abstinate & remain virgins knowing that they still might mess up. It is only natural for teenagers to rebel. Sometimes we get lucky with our kids...sometimes we have a prodigal child.

On CNN, Obama stated:

Sen. Barack Obama said firmly that the news should not have any bearing on the campaign for president.

"Let me be as clear as possible," Obama said. "I think people's families are off-limits, and people's children are especially off-limits. This shouldn't be part of our politics. It has no relevance to Gov. Palin's performance as governor or her potential performance as a vice president."

I totally agree with Obama & admire him & McCain for at least trying to run respectful campaigns even though the media & campaign members do not.

-- Posted by XoXo_notes on Mon, Sep 1, 2008, at 9:52 PM

How old is the father??? That is what I want to know...

-- Posted by Disturbia on Mon, Sep 1, 2008, at 9:54 PM

I look at it this way - her daughter is not running for office. I respect the daughters privacy and it should be not be headline news. I did not agree with Clinton's affair(s), but at the same time I didn't like anytime the press has tried to question Chelsea about it. I also think the Clinton's did a good job of raising a teenage daughter in the public eye and for the most part let Chelsea be a teenager, even if I didn't agree with their politics.

-- Posted by Sharon22 on Mon, Sep 1, 2008, at 9:56 PM

Why does that matter how old the father is?

-- Posted by Sharon22 on Mon, Sep 1, 2008, at 9:57 PM

Perhaps because many parents would file sexual battery charges... Or it could be considered rape, regardless of it being consensual.

-- Posted by Disturbia on Mon, Sep 1, 2008, at 10:02 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-Es5aIJl...

Interesting...

-- Posted by Disturbia on Mon, Sep 1, 2008, at 10:03 PM

"Don't get me wrong, I like Bill, and actually did not let his over active libido and sexual weakness keep me from voting him Prez both times. However, Palin's situation is a whole different case...does not even parallel with Bill's."

I stand corrected: I voted for Bill Clinton both times. Although I did not agree with his sexual exploits in our Oval Office, I did not wish to see him impeached & frankly would not have minded if his disgraceful incident were not swept under the rug to keep from humilitating our entire country & to protect not only Chelsea but all the other young citizens of our country.

-- Posted by XoXo_notes on Mon, Sep 1, 2008, at 10:03 PM

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/200...

Haha... Should be interesting!

-- Posted by nascarfanatic on Mon, Sep 1, 2008, at 10:31 PM

By the time I got back to this post and wrote something XOXO and Sharon22 have already said most of it. Thanks.

If this post can not have reasonable, original thought and continues to go down hill with sarcasm and links of questionable value, I suggest we abandon it. I have better things to do than follow this line of discussion.

-- Posted by stevemills on Mon, Sep 1, 2008, at 11:09 PM

Vindicated . . . Palin sounds like she has morals because she is standing by her daughter and loving her and is going to help her with the baby. Isn't that what any "moral" person does? You can have morals and teach them all day to your children but sometimes you can't control what they do outside of the house. A mistake was made by the daughter and will learn the hard way how those actions have consequences but it is nice to see that Palin loves her daughter and is standing beside her and still being a mother. I respect that.

What happened there has nothing to do with the message of the party . . . a party can not be judge by the action of one person because if that is the case, then all Democrats are adulterers due to Clinton's infidelities in the White House. You see how that works?

I wish people would actually use their brains instead of playing these childish name games and see who can one up the other. That is why this country is in such bad shape . . . we play childish political games instead of dealing with real issues and solutions and unfortunately people like Vindicated are just as much part of the problem.

-- Posted by jaxspike on Tue, Sep 2, 2008, at 7:44 AM

jaxspike...

Everyone is always part of the problem. When I, and others wanted to focus on the issues, you didn't. Now, that we are still focusing on this issues of contradiction and hypocrisy, you still don't... Not surprised.

-- Posted by Vindicated on Tue, Sep 2, 2008, at 7:56 AM

Her daughter made a mistake, let it go!

The Lord forgives mistakes , we should to!

I think Palin will be a fine V.P.

At least she has morals and sticks with them.

The media needs to back off.

-- Posted by michaelbell on Tue, Sep 2, 2008, at 8:50 AM

Maybe her daughter watched one too many Levi's 501 Jeans commercials!

-- Posted by nathan.evans on Tue, Sep 2, 2008, at 9:53 AM

Vindicated . . . I always focus on the problems. I usually always vote for the Democratic party but this year I am not voting for either party because the choices for president are a joke.

If you want to subscribe to the usual rhetoric then be my guest . . . I would rather make informed decisions and talk about real issues instead of following party propaganda which you seem to be doing.

Sad really . . . I guess it's easier to be a follower and a robot than to actually think for yourself.

-- Posted by jaxspike on Tue, Sep 2, 2008, at 10:18 AM

Your dig made me smile Nathan. Thanks.

-- Posted by stevemills on Tue, Sep 2, 2008, at 11:08 AM

Your dig made me smile Nathan. Thanks.

-- Posted by stevemills on Tue, Sep 2, 2008, at 11:08 AM

Just poking a little fun. :)

-- Posted by nathan.evans on Tue, Sep 2, 2008, at 11:20 AM

I may not like the Republican party but I do not like the fact that Democrats have become more or less a gossip machine and pulling stupid stunts like this. People need to start acting like real adults and start taking on real problems and issues. -- Posted by jaxspike on Mon, Sep 1, 2008, at 9:39 PM

Wasn't McCain and Palins campaign "The Ones" that put this information of her daughter having a baby out?

Wasn't this all suppose to be an effort to go ahead and let the public know about her, her family, their past, and air-out rumors on the internet about Palins Down-syndrome child being her daughters (Bristol)?

The media and people are the ones that are making a "Big Deal" over this. Barack Obama is totally against it. Saying that "Family is OFF_LIMITS" and that they are not the ones running for President. And will not allow his campaign to do this type of messages.

http://www.charter.net/news/read.php?ps=...

Ditsurbia, The father of Bristols baby is being kept private, the only information they are giving is his name "Levi", for privacy. I doubt they will press any charges on him if he is older, because they expect him to marry her.

As far as Steves' question: "Is Family's Off Limits" if they are in the publics eye, the Media will print anything and everything they can find that will be news worthy. That is how they make their living.

-- Posted by Momof3&3step&1gran on Tue, Sep 2, 2008, at 12:58 PM

You can't compare Clinton & Palin's daughter. He was in public office, married, and getting favors from a young aid or whatever she was. I think the Palins taught their daughter when you make a mistake you own up to it. She is taking responsibility for her actions. We all can teach our children abstinence, but in the end it is their choice. All our children make bad decisions, there is NO perfect family

-- Posted by greeneyes on Tue, Sep 2, 2008, at 1:09 PM

I have a member of my family that was raised in a good home that tried to teach him right from wrong, love and compassion and everything else we try to teach our children. He breaks the law frequently, doesn't take care of his child and is truly better off in jail. Now my question is... Should his parents be held accountable for his choices in life? After all they did everything they could to make him a productive citizen. It was his bad choices.

Palin may have been doing the right things all along but she should'nt be crucified for her daughters choices. They could have hid it all by an abortion, but chose to take a higher road.

As for Clinton, I had a harder time with dealing with his affair because that was on him. If a man cannot be faithful and true to his own family {which should be top priorty} then how could I expect him to do right by me, an American citizen?

Whichever way the vote goes, I hope our next president will try fix some of the wrong done by those before him!

-- Posted by For the kids on Tue, Sep 2, 2008, at 1:57 PM

http://www.t-g.com/blogs/davidmelson/ent...

John McCain picked Sarah Palin to get the enthusiastic support of the evangelical, radical right. He didn't think it would matter that she has no national experience because he perceived he could argue Obama didn't either.

A big miscalculation. Obama presented himself for 17 months to the American people, they heard him debate more than a dozen times, they made their own decision that he was ready for the job and the Democrats voted him their nominee.

Obama wasn't unilaterally appointed by a party's nominee in a transparent play for the evangelical and female vote. As if Sarah Palin could fill Hillary Clinton's shoes by virtue of her gender. As if women wouldn't see that Sarah Palin is the antithesis of Hillary Clinton on issues. As if anything would evoke Palin's lack of qualifications more than to compare them to Hillary's.

John McCain went for a twofer because his campaign was in trouble. He had failed to excite his base with only 60 days to go. He took a risky shortcut to try to catch up, trying to get two birds with one stone. It's backfiring big-time.

Every tv anchor tonight is asking his surrogates what makes Palin qualified. It's the story with the longest legs. Not one of them has anything but a laughable answer. All they can cite is her 1 1/2 years as Governor and her position as chief of the Alaska National Guard. Then they say she's as experienced as Obama. The Democratic pundits on tv are making mincemeat of that argument.

Voters now know Obama. They vetted him during the course of the campaign. 18 million Democrats voted he was their choice. Voters don't know Palin from Adam. What they do know: She's under investigation in Alaska and she's got no relevant experience. And that only now, after selecting her, is McCain sending his team to Alaska to fully vet her.

Voters are left with only two conclusions: Either McCain didn't vet Palin which is shockingly, near-criminally negligent or he did vet Palin and still picked her, which has got to be the most desperate, jaw-droppingly reckless political move in decades.

Sarah Palin is not ready for prime-time or the Vice-Presidency, let alone to be one heartbeat away from the Oval Office."I think she will crash and burn faster than any national candidate in recent memory."

Obama doesn't have to say a thing. The media and public will do it for him.

As I'm typing this, Obama is being interviewed by Anderson Cooper about Gustav. Anderson's last question was how he would answer those who say that Gov. Palin, as mayor of a small town and Gov. of Alaska, has more experience than he does. He didn't miss a beat. He smiled and said Palin's town of Wasilia, Alaska had 50 employees. His campaign has 2500. The town's budget is about $12 million a year. His budget is 3 times that per month. He cited the legislation he's passed on emergency management post-Katrina and that many recommendations he made were adopted and are being put in place as we speak.

-- Posted by Vindicated on Tue, Sep 2, 2008, at 9:49 PM

Responded to you in another post.

-- Posted by stevemills on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 8:56 AM

Times Magazine:

"It's important to know Palin raised taxes as governor, supported the Bridge to Nowhere before she opposed it, pursued pork barrel projects as mayor, tried to ban books at the local library, and thinks the war in Iraq is 'a task from God. The attempts from the McCain campaign into bullying us from reporting such things are not only stupidly aggressive but unprofessional to the extreme."

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 10:51 PM

I first learned that Palin tried to have books removed from the Wasilla Public Library tonight on the NBC Nightly News. When she became mayor she asked the librarian what the process was to have books banned from the library and threatened to fire the librarian if she did not remove the books that Palin wanted removed. Pathetic!

-- Posted by nathan.evans on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 10:55 PM

BEYOND Pathetic... THAT is what a Socialist leader would request. Hmmm.. The irony.

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 11:31 PM

In 2004, the Republican Attack Machine called changing your mind on politics "flip-flopping"... Now, it's "evolving" LOL, nice spin! But what is the difference? I personally think changing your mind is perfectly NORMAL in politics, it happens all the time, after all a good compromise is essential to maintaining dialogue ;) But, don't accuse Democrats of "flip-flopping" when it's obvious your own V.P. candidate is guilty of the same.

Watch this video closely... Facts you probably didn't know.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YadR6qNTj...

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Wed, Sep 3, 2008, at 11:39 PM

After last night, I was SURE the press would have a field day chewing her up, but the first few cuts from all the morning news shows were surprisingly complimentary.

Even after the speech I sensed a combination of angst and surprised admiration in Katie's C's voice. She looked to her other analysts to do some critiquing but it all came out positive. They seemed surprisingly short on words and were saved by John McCain coming on stage to say a few words.

I have no doubt that this will change, but it was super. This might finally be an exciting campaign season.

-- Posted by stevemills on Thu, Sep 4, 2008, at 11:05 AM

I'll say it again, great speech, in that she did what was expected of her... But the simple fact that she didn't even know what she was talking about was obvious... A few of the cut-downs I'm sure she hand selected, but the majority of the speech was to keep us in the mindset of fear, propaganda and lies, as though those are substantive issues.

I want to hear Gov. Palin tell us a lot more of what she accomplished than selling the jet on Ebay. I don't discredit her experience, in fact I personally think experience has led to the demise of Washington.... But, Steve you can not credit her with a "good speech" when thus far, that's all we've seen, just like with Obama.

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Thu, Sep 4, 2008, at 6:46 PM

http://news.yahoo.com/s/bloomberg/afxhgf...

130,000 Obama supporters donate $10 million the day after Palin speech ;

-- Posted by Vindicated on Thu, Sep 4, 2008, at 7:28 PM

No doubt she has a lot of proving and there are different stages for different subjects. I believe she was supposed to show a little of her style and fire up the convention, which she did.

The debates and interviews in the future will tell us much more about what she knows, understand and how she thinks. I am just enthused because she is a breath of fresh air in the party. Much as many are enthused about Obama.

At first I was split about mid-way for Obama and McCain, even though I am primarily conservative, but as I learned more about both, I started leaning toward McCain.

Obama does not ring true to me. There are too many questionable people around him and though many deny it, you are somewhat a reflection of the company you keep.

I know some radicals and possible some who are anarchists, but I do not hang around with them, nor would I continue to go to a church where the minister is preaching as his did. People change churches all the time and I can not believe he could not find one more to his philosophy, so you have to wonder why he stayed.

There could be other reasons than that he agreed with the minister, but the ones I can think of are not complimentary. One such idea is that the members were influential and Mr. Ombama wanted those connections. I am not sure that this is a reason I would allow my children to be raised in a church who's pastor, the leader of the church preaches hatred.

Although McCain does not always impress me, I am more comfortable with his views and approach. Palin is the one I have most hopes for and as I have said in another post, I will be deeply disappointed if she turns out to be someone other than I think.

I don't expect her, or her family to be more than human, but I expect her to be honest. The fact that she did not proclaim her daughter's pregnancy does not bother me. She knew it would surface, but why drag her daughter into this. This way the public or press drug her into it, not her mother.

If she had lied and said she was not pregnant, it would be a check mark against her. She seems upfront with this investigation into the trooper issue, so unless she lies to us about it, I take her word for it. Trusting? Yes, but as I think it should be unless we find out something else that proves she lied. Naive? I'm a little too old for that.

-- Posted by stevemills on Fri, Sep 5, 2008, at 9:12 AM

Well, why don't we just agree that none of our vaunted brilliant, elected officials serve no useful purpose and are in the job just to serve their own greedy interests. That being the case, when they have served long enough to start really ripping us off, just vote another one in who will at least for a few years try to help. Who knows, we might actually get someone eventually who cares for the people who elected them. I'm not sure, but I think there are a few in the senate and congress that may have been embalmed and propped at their desks. (sarcasm off)

-- Posted by cherokee2 on Fri, Sep 5, 2008, at 9:25 AM

Almost ANY job can dull you senses after enough time and I agree that WE should rotate our representatives. The problem is that we do not seem to do that.

A few of our elected officials have served then stepped back down and I appreciate that. They were probably goods ones that could have had another term or two in them before their sense dulled, but fro whatever reason, they stepped aside.

-- Posted by stevemills on Fri, Sep 5, 2008, at 4:55 PM

She didn't "Sell" that plane on Ebay either! It is VERY obvious Karl Rove wrote her speech, because it was full of half-truths.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/200...

-- Posted by Disturbia on Fri, Sep 5, 2008, at 7:07 PM

Well...as I have mentioned before....I have been on the fence about who to vote for our next President. Unfortunately, we are not one of the top 11 states and the controlling majority with only 11 electoral votes. Tennesse has not carried the Dems since Clinton. Unless there is a significant change of opinion in this state, it seems like a vote for Obama is not going to really matter. However, I like Obama & admire him for being a quick study & making it this far with such a fresh new record to stand on. Moreover, John McCain has a lifelong history of serving our country to the point of facing life or death.

After the GOP convention on TV, I could not help but find tears in my eyes and my heart & conscience told me that John McCain has all ready earned this position with his lifelong service. John McCain & Sarah Palin are mavericks...no doubt...they are ready to lead this nation & not only stand up to our enemies abroad, but stand up to the corruption & waste that we are all sick & tired of, yet do not have the power to do anything about in Washington.

For me, it's M.C. CAIN IN THE HOUSE...lol...

www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWicJNCiyAk

-- Posted by XoXo_notes on Fri, Sep 5, 2008, at 7:46 PM

Since the eBay mention was brought up here as well, I will respond again to suggest that Gov. Palin may have said no to Rove about saying it was sold on eBay and settle for a true fact, she put it up for sale in eBay.

-- Posted by stevemills on Sat, Sep 6, 2008, at 9:41 AM

Another less than half truth:

Palin Derangement Syndrome strikes again. This time it's hysterical librarians and their readers on the Internet disseminating a bogus list of books Gov. Sarah Palin supposedly banned in 1996. Looks like some of these library people failed reading comprehension. Take a look at the list below and you'll find books Gov. Palin supposedly tried to ban…that hadn't even been published yet. Example: The Harry Potter books, the first of which wasn't published until 1998.

The smear merchants who continue to circulate the list also failed to do a simple Google search, which would have showed them that the bogus Sarah Palin Banned Book List is almost an exact copy-and-paste reproduction of a generic list of "Books Banned at One Time or Another in the United States" that has been floating around the Internet for years. STACLU notes that the official Obama campaign website is also perpetuating the fraud. And it's spread to craigslist, where some unhinged user is posting images likening Palin to Hitler. Here it is again.

The person who first spread the Palin smear is identified as "Andrew Aucoin," a commenter on the blog of librarian Jessamyn West. West has done the right thing in keeping the bogus comment up and pointing out in her main post that "there appears to be no truth to the claim made by the commenter, and no further documentation or support for this has turned up."

It's a fake. Not true. Total B.S. A lie.

If it gets sent to you by a moonbat friend or family member, set 'em all straight. Fight the smears. They've only just begun.

http://michellemalkin.com/2008/09/06/the...

-- Posted by devan on Sat, Sep 6, 2008, at 2:42 PM

Thanks Devan. You probably saved someone from being embarrassed here.

I have a quote sent to me from one of Obama's books that I have been trying to get clarified and refuse to use until I know what the context in which is was written.

-- Posted by stevemills on Sat, Sep 6, 2008, at 3:40 PM

The comment I assume you are referring to, pertains to "We'll side with Islam" or something... If so, you are reading it out of context and not reading what the previous statement was, that resulted in this quote.

-- Posted by nascarfanatic on Sun, Sep 7, 2008, at 2:46 AM

I chose NOT to quote it for that very reason, I had not read it.

Could you give us the complete statement so we can see it impartially?

-- Posted by stevemills on Sun, Sep 7, 2008, at 10:09 AM

Actual quote from "The Audacity of Hope" page 261:

Of course, not all my conversations in immigrant communities follow this easy pattern. In the wake of 9/11, my meetings with Arab and Pakistani Americans, for example, have a more urgent quality, for the stories of detentions and FBI questioning and hard stares from neighbors have shaken their sense of security and belonging. They have been reminded that the history of immigration in this country has a dark underbelly; they need specific assurances that their citizenship really means something, that America has learned the right lessons from the Japanese internments during World War II, and that I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.

-- Posted by Richard on Wed, Sep 10, 2008, at 1:41 AM

Thank you Richard. The quote i was given was conveniently changed to be more inflammatory. This statement does not say the same thing and I am glad I refrained.

It now puts into question all other information I might get from this person.

Thanks again.

-- Posted by stevemills on Wed, Sep 10, 2008, at 6:51 AM

It now puts into question all other information I might get from this person.

Thanks again.

-- Posted by stevemills on Wed, Sep 10, 2008, at 6:51 AM

And let the mind opening begin. Obama was attacked from the very get go from "Christians" themselves, not practicing very Christian like actions... Spreading lies, hate, rumors, deceit, fear, and half truths was the only defense they had. Ironically, of the two Senators Obama is actually more devout than McCain... McCain had been Episcopalian for 27+ years, and in South Carolina during the primaries he suddenly became a Baptist. Hmm...

-- Posted by nascarfanatic on Wed, Sep 10, 2008, at 9:38 AM

"Hate" lol, so there was no hate in Obamas church. I already knew McCain wasnt a christian by some of his actions.

-- Posted by greasemonkey on Wed, Sep 10, 2008, at 9:45 AM

"Hate" lol, so there was no hate in Obamas church. I already knew McCain wasnt a christian by some of his actions.

-- Posted by greasemonkey on Wed, Sep 10, 2008, at 9:45 AM

Obama himself is not spreading hate, the Christians who don't want you to vote for him, are. Again, you entirely circumnvent the point.

-- Posted by nascarfanatic on Wed, Sep 10, 2008, at 11:50 AM

By attending a church full of racism and hate, he is supporting that viewpoint. If someone was a member of the KKK for 20yrs wouldnt it be safe to assume they were in agreement with those viewpoints, even if they didnt say so.

I am a devout christian, and I am not spreading hate. I dont want him to be president for the obvious reasons. I dont hate the man, I just dont think he is any where close to being fit to run this country. I believe in my heart he will destroy whats left of this country.

-- Posted by greasemonkey on Wed, Sep 10, 2008, at 12:40 PM

Contrary to some opinions, I believe many of us have open minds. I chose not to post the quote because I wanted to see the full statement. The full statement was NOT the same as the quote, so it was definitely altered and biased. If possible, I will not participate in known fabrications.

That does not necessarily mean that I am close to voting for Obama. Several of his verbal slips, from his own lips, still have me concerned, but that is not the reason I would not vote for him.

I am concerned about his ability to make decisions, his lack of experience, his VERY short term in national office before he started a run for the Presidency, his extremely liberal ideas and more.

Before the comparison is made with Gov. Palin and her short term as Governor, I believe she ran with the intention of being Governor. Mr. Obama seemed to have the Oval Office in sight even as he ran for the Senate, which I think was unfair to his constituents. Just an opinion folks based on actions, not from reading his mind.

-- Posted by stevemills on Wed, Sep 10, 2008, at 1:34 PM

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080910/wl_n...

If only McCain had this idea of a "surge" in the right country... Just another example of forgetting why this "War on Terror" was started... And you question Obama's judgment?

-- Posted by Disturbia on Wed, Sep 10, 2008, at 9:13 PM

Yup, I question Obama's judgment, his reasons for wanting to be President, and who is influencing him. I am not convinced that HE is really running the show.

-- Posted by stevemills on Thu, Sep 11, 2008, at 8:15 AM

Steve,

I am not one for conspiracy theories, but start looking at Obamas college years and who was supporting him then. Alot of questions he wont let anyone ask will tell you alot about who can influence him.

-- Posted by greasemonkey on Thu, Sep 11, 2008, at 10:17 AM

Steve,

I am not one for conspiracy theories

-- Posted by greasemonkey on Thu, Sep 11, 2008, at 10:17 AM

Unless of course that conspiracy theory is against Obama...

-- Posted by Disturbia on Thu, Sep 11, 2008, at 10:11 PM

Disturbia,

Are you even capable of thinking for yourself, or are you just here to make people mad? Are you so brainwashed by Obama that you refuse to even look into a candidates past.

-- Posted by greasemonkey on Fri, Sep 12, 2008, at 1:47 PM

Right... Gotta love how you completely change the subject ;) "I am not much for conspiracies... BUT".... I've researched Obama's past very in depth actually. As have I researched McCain's, Biden's, and Pitbull Palin.

I can't go into depth about how many things McCain has changed position on since the beginning of his career... Do you remember in 2004 when John Kerry was LAUGHED at for his Vietnam service, by the very same folks who write McCain/Palin speeches today, whom also never cared a thing about McCain's "heroism" in 2000, when they helped propel Bush to the Whitehouse? Right.. Do you remember they called him a "flip-flopper" on issues, and now it is called "maverick"... You take two men who have done nearly IDENTICAL things, and the entire nation laughed at one, while we praise the other. It is absolutely absurd, and I think it is hysterical that you would call me brainwashed when I GUARANTEE you, you knew none of what I just told you, until now.

-- Posted by Disturbia on Fri, Sep 12, 2008, at 10:54 PM

Alot of questions he wont let anyone ask will tell you alot about who can influence him.

-- Posted by greasemonkey on Thu, Sep 11, 2008, at 10:17 AM

Hmmmk... exactly what questions will he "not allow" or is that more ridiculous rhetoric?

-- Posted by Disturbia on Fri, Sep 12, 2008, at 10:55 PM

How does one compare McCain's military service to Kerry's and call it identical? But Kerry is not running against McCain.

Instead it is someone who has NO military experience because in his words, there was not a war going on? Somehow Obama does not strike me as an aggressive warrior who lives to fight wars, so what do our analysts think he meant by that?

Changing one's mind does not bother me since hopefully we learn from our experiences, but changing it because of the polls (for either side) does bother me. Standing firm on your core values impress me, and again for either side.

-- Posted by stevemills on Sun, Sep 14, 2008, at 12:51 PM

I think the point of that post was to emphasize that NOBODY from the Right considered Kerry's war hero status as a qualifying reason to be President... now suddenly it is the same folks who dismissed that service four years ago who lavish in praise for McCain's heroism, and believe without a doubt that that reason alone is what makes him "qualified"... well, if that is the case then why didn't the Republicans understand that in 2004 when you had a Vietnam Veteran running against a draft dodger?

-- Posted by darrick_04 on Sun, Sep 14, 2008, at 12:59 PM

I checked out snopes.com which does a pretty good job of checking out the rumor mill. Kerry did serve in Vietnam and did ligitimatly earn the medals, but out of all the medals he only missed 2 days of service. Per Kerry's words he was "walking wounded" and after his third wound was transferred to New, York as an aide to a rear admiral. I'm not downing Kerry's service, but that does not quite compare to being a prisoner of war like McCain. I'm very proud of my Dad's service during WWII, but he never saw a lick of action. The closest he came was being 2 days out of Pearl Harbor when it was bombed. We had some great men that lost their limbs, were wounded, or lost their lives, that does not diminish my Dad's service, but I believe that gave more than my Dad did.

-- Posted by Sharon22 on Sun, Sep 14, 2008, at 10:14 PM

Here's the link to make it easier if anyone would like to check it out: http://www.snopes.com/politics/kerry/ser...

-- Posted by Sharon22 on Sun, Sep 14, 2008, at 10:15 PM

Disturbia,

Actually I knew everything you posted, as did everyone on here I am sure. It sure wasnt breaking news, or anything that takes "in depth" research.

Why do you continue to tell me about McCain? How many times do I have to tell you that I already know, and I am not voting for nor am I supporting McCain? I dont like McCains history for promoting big govt, and I can not vote for him because of his stance on illegal immigration. I cant agree with him about global warming either. There is more I dont like about McCain then I do like. So there you go I have said it again for the millionth time.

What I want to know is what does Obama offer that makes people want to follow him blindly. He has no experience, his past has some shady parts (alot of questions there he wont allow to be asked) and on the issues he plans to destroy our already weakened country. When I question his policies, I get told I am promoting "hate, fear and racism".

So being you are so fond of "CHANGE", why dont you try to change your tactics and put the Kool Aid down and try to think for yourself.

-- Posted by greasemonkey on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 11:11 AM

What I want to know is what does Obama offer that makes people want to follow him blindly. He has no experience, his past has some shady parts (alot of questions there he wont allow to be asked) and on the issues he plans to destroy our already weakened country. When I question his policies, I get told I am promoting "hate, fear and racism".

So being you are so fond of "CHANGE", why dont you try to change your tactics and put the Kool Aid down and try to think for yourself.

-- Posted by greasemonkey on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 11:11 AM

You remind me of Karl Rove. That, by the way, is not a good thing.

-- Posted by Disturbia on Mon, Sep 15, 2008, at 10:28 PM

LOL. Cant argue the truth?

-- Posted by greasemonkey on Tue, Sep 16, 2008, at 8:47 AM

LOL. Cant argue the truth?

-- Posted by greasemonkey on Tue, Sep 16, 2008, at 8:47 AM

Sorry, I don't like arguing with myself ;)

-- Posted by Disturbia on Tue, Sep 16, 2008, at 9:04 PM

LOL

-- Posted by greasemonkey on Wed, Sep 17, 2008, at 10:28 AM


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Steve Mills and his wife have one daughter and live on a farm outside of Bell Buckle. They previously owned two coffee/ice cream shops, currently operate an internet sales company and teach classes, but his primary job involves the paper industry worldwide. Hobbies and interests lie in gardening, photography, recorded music and of course, their pets.