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Wiki leaks discussion from another blog

Posted Tuesday, November 30, 2010, at 6:52 AM

Comments started on another blog entry by Bo Melson, probably need a place to discuss without diverting Bo's original question so......

"do you think Wiki leaks owner Julian Assange and PFC Bradley Manning should be prosecuted? or do you believe it is our right to hear what our elected officials are doing and saying? Since when is it a crime to tell the truth even if it is about our government. I have read a lot of these files I see nothing in any of them(yet) that would be a threat to our national security or the lives of any person. Most of it is just the truth instead of the bunch of lies that the American people have been fed. I think it is high time we all know what is really going on.... But somehow I think this was not the transparency Obama spoke of LOL

I have read alot of comments from people saying Wiki leaks is not a reliable source but evidently there is some truth in the scripts because the White House sure has gotten their panties in a wad over them.

I find it amazing that I have yet to see a blog about this.....Thom where are you? :)

-- Posted by Dianatn on Mon, Nov 29, 2010, at 11:20 PM

Not trying to change the subject here but do you think Wiki leaks owner Julian Assange and PFC Bradley Manning should be prosecuted?

-- Posted by Dianatn

IMO Wiki leaks is a government created propaganda/disinformation program. I have no doubt that our government has "cyberwarriors" and other practitioners of the "dark arts" that could quickly put an end to wiki leaks...if they wanted to.

-- Posted by quietmike on Tue, Nov 30, 2010, at 3:44 AM

Not trying to change the subject here but do you think Wiki leaks owner Julian Assange and PFC Bradley Manning should be prosecuted?

-- Posted by Dianatn

IMO Wiki leaks is a government created propaganda/disinformation program. I have no doubt that our government has "cyberwarriors" and other practitioners of the "dark arts" that could quickly put an end to wiki leaks...if they wanted to.

-- Posted by quietmike on Tue, Nov 30, 2010, at 3:44 AM


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I would think that specific "leaks" are strategic moves, but this sounds like like a weasel in the hen house.

The damage I see being done is not to any one specific country or individual, it is the level of trust Nations can expect when dealing with the U.S.

I heard an ex-diplomat discussing one of the Middle East nations reluctance to tell us the truth because they could not trust us to keep the information private. This leak went a far way towards justifying their beliefs.

If we can not get to the truth, what chance do we have of working out the issues? If our Allies can not trust us.....(fill in the rest yourself)

-- Posted by stevemills on Tue, Nov 30, 2010, at 7:22 AM

I am on the fence with this issue. Because, I believe that we have the right to real information, you know behind the scenes stuff. And know how the government is really working.

But, when you start posting about private conversations that were being held behind closed doors, it becomes dangerous.

But I do agree, that if Wiki leaks is full of fake info, then why is the government going crazy because of the releases? So, I am not sure where I stand on this.

-- Posted by PrpleHze on Tue, Nov 30, 2010, at 8:38 AM

I guess the proof will be when we learn the source of the leak.

If it is disinformation, then they have to go bananas to sell the whole package. Regretably that means misleading some good people.

I had a sales manager one time tell me that an item was at cost so I passed that along to the customer as I was told. It turns out that the customer knew better and called the manager's bluff.

I was the one who looked stupid because I believed my sales manager. Luckily, my customer had become a friend as well so he helped me through it.

-- Posted by stevemills on Tue, Nov 30, 2010, at 9:09 AM

They should both be charged with and prosecuted for the crime of treason. An American soldier or citizen in some foreign country is going to pay the ultimate sacrifice for their blind ambitions.

-- Posted by Tim Lokey on Tue, Nov 30, 2010, at 10:40 AM

First of all Steve Thank you for posting this personally I think it is a very good topic others may not feel the same as I do about this but that's ok. If I had actually seen anything in these scripts that I thought would harm anyone I would be the first to stand up and say it was wrong of them to publish these..but still I see nothing that would be cause for a Threat to our security. I see a lot of bad mouthing of different countries from everyone.. not only the United States but from Russia, Europe, Iran, Iraq. I think a lot of this that was published is things Americans have always believed but never truly knew until now.

Wiki Leaks published the Iraq War logs quite some time ago and we sure didn't hear all the crying when those were published, did we?

I believe the White House has much more to hide than what info that Wiki leaks has and they were very frightened about the type of info that Wiki leaks really had.. There is alot of info out there from Wiki leaks most of which I find to be purely an embarrassment of officials from other countries.. they have all seemed to have their hands in this: so I can not see one getting upset when they were doing the same things.

I follow Wiki Leaks on Twitter because it does seem much easier to me to keep up with what they are publishing.

As far as it being treason, I think not.. these White House politicians work for us when someone works for you don't you think you have a right to know what goes on behind closed doors? Isn't hiding the facts what got us into trouble with the economy and the Iraq War in the first place?

It seems to me this is just more of the same hiding the truth from the American people. Personally I would like to know exactly what the White House was afraid of because I do not think that any of this that has been leaked so far is anything more than an embarrassment . I think there is more. Wiki Leaks may have more damaging scripts and that's what Washington is fearful of!!

The question still remains are these scripts truly damaging to anyone besides the government official's positions?

-- Posted by Dianatn on Tue, Nov 30, 2010, at 1:17 PM

First of all, if there was anything said that the government didn't want said... Wiki would no longer be a website. I have visited many websites that were removed by the government and replaced with a "We couldn't Find the Page you were Looking For".

What kind of information can a Private First Class get his hands on? A PFC is the lowest rake in the service and would not have a top secret clearance. Did he hear it from an officer or steal this information from a locked file cabinet?

This is just a media news story released by the top dogs to get your mind off what the government is really doing.

If these things were a Security Issue, Didn't I see the same things talked about on the Local News? Should the local news be taken off the air for violating National Security?

Every country in the world is BANKRUPT and is UNDER THE CONTROL of their Creditors (the world Bankers). Who gives a dam what China is doing or Russia or Japan? They will do exactly what the CREDITORs tell them to do.

If the Creditors tell Russia to invade Israel that is what they must do and the Untied States nor any other country can do anything about it unless they are ordered to by their Creditors.

Congress sold us out to the Bankers back in 1933 and has made every man, woman and child a "Human Resource" worth One Million Dollars, half a million dollars if married and filing separate returns... to be applied to the National Debt.

President F.D.Roosevelt exchanged our Gold for Federal Reserve Notes. President Lyndon B. Johnson took our Silver and exchanged it for federal Reserve Notes.

No state can make anything but gold and silver coins as lawful money. The United States Federal Corporation gave our gold and silver as a condition of Bankruptcy and took on the Federal Reserve Note.

This is a Promissory Note... a promise to pay (someday). Each dollar is a debt to the Corporate U.S. Government. When we spend a dollar we are creating another debt for that dollar because it has never been paid for yet. Now that dollar has created twice the debt.

For example, when you pay off your mortgage, you have just promised that one day the U.S. Corporate Government will make your promissory note good. Your home isn't paid for, it is just held by the State and you are a renter in your own home until the Government makes the notes good.

This will never happen! The Federal Reserve Promissory Notes are backed by the good credit of the United States Government and the productivity of the U.S. citizens. This means... Every man, woman and child is made a human resource as collateral for this Debt, each person valued at 1 Million Dollars.

And now a word about TREASON...

When a government official violates a constitutional right, he/she has also violated their oath of office to uphold and protect the constitution. This is an act of Treason according to the Supreme Court.

This includes mayors, judges, commissioners, legislators, Senators and Representatives all the way up the ladder to include the President and Vice President of the United States and down to the lowest official on the ladder.

Your tax dollars don't buy or pay for anything. Just by sending in your taxes you are creating another debt for the U. S. to pay off. You are promising the IRS that the United States Government will one day also make these notes good that you just sent them.

In reality, you haven't paid anything! You still owe the IRS Taxes until the United States Government makes the notes good.

And everyone is so darn concerned about Wiki Leaks and what should we do about that! Look at what the Government has done to you right in front of you and under your nose without you ever suspecting a thing.

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Tue, Nov 30, 2010, at 5:17 PM

Something else to keep in mind:

The people responsible for keeping leaks like this from happening are the same people that have pushed for all peoples' personal medical information to be computerized and made accessible by the government.

-- Posted by quietmike on Tue, Nov 30, 2010, at 5:44 PM

The medical information does not concern me as much as the information they could obtain from the IRS. I would much rather a hacker know I had surgery on my big toe than for him to know ALL of my personal information from the IRS.

Strange everyone is scrambling to shut this site down and keep their secrets tucked away. Yet not one file has been denied as false.

-- Posted by Dianatn on Tue, Nov 30, 2010, at 6:07 PM

Part of me believes this is a false flag operation by the powers that be to further demonstrate that we NEED government controls on the internet, "for our own good".

-- Posted by quietmike on Tue, Nov 30, 2010, at 6:10 PM

Part of me believes this is a false flag operation by the powers that be to further demonstrate that we NEED government controls on the internet, "for our own good".

-- Posted by quietmike on Tue, Nov 30, 2010, at 6:10 PM

You may very well be correct mike. I guess we shall have to wait and see :)

Wiki Leaks is now saying they have information on Big banking that we will be interested in hearing.

I can honestly say "Yea I'm interested" :)

-- Posted by Dianatn on Tue, Nov 30, 2010, at 6:17 PM

Government has already taken steps to interfere with the internet. They shut down sites without any warning or due process of the law.

They are trying to regulate taxes on the internet and are able to use the internet to hack into your computer.

They take away our right to privacy by tapping into our telephone lines and I am sure they have access to our computers also even if they do it by spyware programs. I won't download a lot of things because of the terms. First they are too long to read and they don't give you any rights, just protecting their own. In fact, some of these programs take away your right to a jury trial, and you must agree to their jurisdiction. This is a no no for the Sovereign People.

Dianatn -

What more do you want to know about the Banking Scams? Did you know they can take your deposit and loan out 90% of it and only have to keep 10% of your money in the bank. The Federal Reserve Note is only a promise to pay by a Bankrupt Country.

Here's one for you. Big Corporations make big money. They have to pay taxes on the Profits and/or gains. They know this and spend their profits on pay raises to board members and corporate heads so there is very little profit to pay taxes on.

Now isn't that convenient?

How about this. The Feds makes the U.S. print up our own money for the Feds to loan back to us. The Feds pay like 3 cents for each dollar printed then loans it back to us with interest. The interest is printed up at the same time and handed to the Feds. The Feds get their interest up front.

The Federal Reserve creates money out of thin air. The Federal Reserve doesn't have that kind of money to loan out. It is money we print up and they get the interest and charge the U.S. with the balance. Why do we need the Feds?

Since there is no gold or silver coins as lawful money, the Government had to provide the people with a way to charge it off. That is why there is no debtors prison.

Every debt can be lawfully charged off, so the debt isn't doubled by paying with promissory notes. That is like telling YOUR creditors that your debt will be paid by the good credit of the United States Government.

It is a way that our government doesn't want you to know about yet. All I will say, is you have to take control of your Strawman and use him to your advantage!

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Tue, Nov 30, 2010, at 8:03 PM

Sorry, DianaTN, I've been out of pocket for a while.

As for the WikiLeaks thing, I don't think there's anything that's too damaging in there, from what I've heard so far. Just a bunch of comments about foreign governments and rulers that, I'm certain, everyone in Washington, D.C. already knows about. I highly doubt that anyone really believes that our (or ANY country's) diplomats are simply there to engage in conversation. Everyone knows that they conduct a modicum of intelligence gathering. If nothing more than observing the poker faces of foreign dignitaries while they're at their fancy shindigs.

What troubles me most about this is that, allegedly, a Private First Class in the Army was able to take a recordable CD into a facility that housed classified material. Disseminating classified material is enough to put him away for the rest of his life...if this information was truly classified and not just classified to keep from being an embarrassment to the United States Government.

What I would really like to know is whether he gave it to Assange, or if he was paid for these files. Whether or not this was planned by more than this Pfc, and who else was involved. I don't believe that we could really pursue Assange for anything more than possibly copyright infringement since he's not a U.S. citizen, isn't in this country currently, and probably wasn't in this country when this all went down. We cannot try to force our laws on other countries or their citizens. If we try to prosecute Assange for doing something that is a crime here, but not where he did this action, then other countries could try our citizens for "crimes" that are committed here that are perfectly legal here. For example, being a homosexual is a crime in Iran. Iran could just as easily say that they're going to prosecute Rosie O'Donnell for being a lesbian...not that I would be too heartbroken over that, but you get the idea. China could prosecute any one of us for voicing our opinions on their government on these blogs. Each country has their own laws and their own way of enforcing these laws. The only way to do otherwise would be to have a one-world governing body. And THAT scares the hell out of me.

I do, however, agree with some that if the United States Government didn't want this information to be seen, it wouldn't be. Some of this stuff I actually think needs to come out into the open. Like all of the Middle-Eastern countries that actually think Iran is run by lunatics (aside from the Rosie O'Donnell thing). And that the Chinese don't really care all that much for Kim Jung-Il and his shenanigans in North Korea. Or that the Brazilians really support the War on Terrorism, regardless of what they say publicly. In my opinion, disseminating the "diplomatic cables" wasn't such a bad thing.

If there is found to be any truly classified information in there, and by this I mean the legal definition involving national security interests, then yes, whoever is responsible for that should be tried for espionage, but not treason. Treason is defined in the Constitution (the ONLY crime that is) as follows: "Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court." Since this wasn't an act of war or aid to our enemies then the "treason" charge wouldn't fit and would be very easily defended.

-- Posted by Thom on Tue, Nov 30, 2010, at 9:29 PM

Thom

And the Constitution goes on to say in Article III, section 3:"The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted." (If anyone is guilty of Treason the punishment shall not apply to the family of the guilty person.)

So Congress has the power to declare the punishment, not the court.

You said "Each country has their own laws and their own way of enforcing these laws. The only way to do otherwise would be to have a one-world governing body. And THAT scares the hell out of me."

This should really scare the hell out of you then, Thom.

First let me say that when anyone goes into the Military Service, then waive their Sovern Rights to become subject to the exclusive jurisdiction of the United State Government (a Foreign Corporation in respect to the 50 states - (Volume 20: Corpus Juris Sec. 1785)). All military persons have no Protection from U.S. Constitution except civil rights given to persons under its exclusive jurisdiction. (See 14th Amendment)

Therefore, a pfc can be tried in a Military Court without Constitutional Protection.

Next, we already have a One World Judicial System. A set of Laws that apply to all Nations.

It is called "the Uniform Commercial Code." It is a Commercial Law that all countries use in their courts.

It is a Worldwide Law System that is a law on contracts. Every country makes everyone subject to this commercial law by making them sign contracts. Birth Certificate, Drivers License, W-4, Marriage License, Car Title, Mortgage, YOU GET THE PICTURE!

Everyone is now subject to the Maritime Jurisdiction in court because of any one of these documents you signed or others. (Research the Uniform Commercial Code or UCC and find out for yourself)

2 Peter 3:3-4

3 Above all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires.

4 They will say, "Where is this 'coming' he promised? Ever since our ancestors died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation."

The scoffers aren't watching! Every man woman and child in the world has signed something giving the courts jurisdiction over them unknowingly, through and because of this "One World Judicial System".

The One World Law or one-world governing body that scares you is HERE!

And the scoffers will laugh and call me an idiot and lose their cases in court and won't know why.

Now all that is left, according to the Bible, is for the Beast and False Prophet to appear out of the waters of the Nations to become the ONE who rules over the whole world.

We do have remedies in court but you have to find them in the UCC.

Here is just one example of our trusting Government.

UCC 1-207 was a way to reserve your rights in court, and even get your case thrown out of court.

UCC doesn't exist anymore. It was taken out of the UCC for THEIR PROTECTION, not yours.

What they did was just hide it in the Uniform Commercial Codes. It has been moved to UCC 1-308) so they would have jurisdiction over people trying to use UCC 1-207.

Very Sneaky indeed, but most people don't believe their government would do this to the Sovereign People who ARE the Sovereignty OVER the Government.

Just how many people will fight for their God given Rights and who will just lay down their lives to the beast and accept his mark??

The Trials and Tribulations are almost here and I don't see anyone being Raptured up.

One last comment: Where are the Millions of Jobs Pres. Obama was going to produce by December?

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Thu, Dec 2, 2010, at 12:48 PM

According to Nancy Pelosi unemployment benefits create jobs...maybe they're counting all of the unemployed as "working" for the government.

-- Posted by Thom on Thu, Dec 2, 2010, at 1:00 PM

In a way you may have something there.

Should the government stop unemployment benefits now, all these unemployed people would not only be unemployed but on welfare BECAUSE THERE ARE NO JOBS regardless of what Obama said. These unemployed people who are now getting a check are putting money back into the economy so in truth, they are helping the economy as if they were employed. If the Government spent that money on something else, it would not help the economy.

A Tax cut would only apply to those who are rich so that isn't going to help the people. The rich know how to use their money to hide it from taxes. Just as the big Corporations just spend their profits on CEO salaries and corporate jets so they don't have to pay taxes on it.

How do you cut the taxes on people who are unemployed and have no hope of finding work. These aren't the poor people. These are people in the middle class who are being forced down into the ghettos. They don't know how to survive without jobs. They don't know how to rub two sticks together to build a fire under a bridge or overpass. They don't know how to hold their head up high when they are on the other side of the serving tables.

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Thu, Dec 2, 2010, at 3:38 PM

A Tax cut would only apply to those who are rich so that isn't going to help the people.

-- Posted by Unique-Lies

Not even close.

Even if it was true, has a poor person ever given you a job?

If the government takes a dollar from you and gives me 75 cents (keeping .25 for administrative fees) and I spend those 75 cents, are you saying that helps the economy more than if you'd spent your whole dollar?

-- Posted by quietmike on Thu, Dec 2, 2010, at 4:05 PM

Thom

I forgot one more thing, maybe more.

The Federal Government nor the State got that money to extend the Unemployment Benefits from anyone's Tax dollars.

The U.S. goes to the Federal Reserve where they get money out of thin air to give Congress to spend anyway it wants to. It does not come out of anyone's pocket.

We are told that it comes from the tax payers but I don't see any proof of that happening. With all the other things we are forced to pay and buy, we couldn't afford to pay everything the people say the tax payers pay.

All Federal Promissory Notes are charged off as a condition of bankruptcy. It is all added to the debt. If we paid all the things we are told we do, the debt would be much much higher.

When we sign one contract we become a cosigner in all the loans of the United States and are responsible for helping to pay it off. If we paid all these things as they came up. we would be doubling the debt because none of our bills or purchases have been paid off by the Notes. They have only been added to the debt.

When you put money in the bank you are telling the bank that the U.S. promises to make that note good one day. You have just added that amount to the deficit. When the bank loans it out, the bank is telling the people the money will be good one day but it is okay to spend it as money. The bank just added that amount to the deficit also because that money has not been paid off yet. When the loaner spends that money or puts it in the bank it all starts over again and is added to the debt of the United States.

The only way we can use the Federal Reserve Note without increasing the debt is by giving it to someone in exchange for driving you someplace or to cut your grass (if they are not a business) of spent at a garage sale. If used commercially it becomes an increase to the National Debt.

So in truth, taxpayer are not paying for anything put increasing the National debt by adding note spent to the debt. If you paid with Gold or Silver the debt would be paid in full, but not when you pay with Federal Reserve Notes (Promissory Notes).

Here is something you may or may not know!

We the People of the 50 Sovereign states are not responsible for the debt of the United States. Only citizens of the United States (14th Amendment Citizens and Federal Citizens) are responsible for the debt. Another Unique Lie that has never been revealed to the people.

Boy, what a Sneaky and Fraudulent Government we have. There is no limit to the amount of knowledge that is out there that is being withheld from us. That is FRAUD. FRAUD Voids everything it touches and there is no Statute of limitations for FRAUD.

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Thu, Dec 2, 2010, at 4:15 PM

"If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issuance of their currency, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered."Thomas Jefferson

Charles A. Lindbergh, Sr. 1913 "When the President signs this bill, the invisible government of the monetary power will be legalized....the worst legislative crime of the ages is perpetrated by this banking and currency bill."

I read a column a few years ago called "The Birth of Legal Counterfeiting" it is most certainly the most informative column i have ever read on this subject.

If you wish to read it yourself here

http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listser...

-- Posted by Dianatn on Thu, Dec 2, 2010, at 6:10 PM

quietmike

Look at the Tax cut Now. How many people are being Helped?

People are unemployed and not just the poor and there will be more that will be let go. The tax cut won't help the poor because they don't make enough to have to file a return. Even 99% of nothing is 0. Yay for another tax cut.

} Even if it was true, has a poor person ever given you a job?

Yes, I have worked for people who were not as well off as I was. I never held it against them and told them I was glad to get their work.

I have had to pick up after some of them but never paid anything extra for it. Sometimes it was a job, LOL.

} If the government takes a dollar from you and gives me 75 cents (keeping .25 for administrative fees) and I spend those 75 cents, are you saying that helps the economy more than if you'd spent your whole dollar?

If the government takes a dollar from ME you can bet your ass they will not give YOU 75 cents of it. It would be more like they would keep the .75 and give you .25.

The government doesn't take a dollar from the unemployed then give them 75 cents back to help the economy.

The government gives the unemployed several dollars (it) gets from thin air from the Federal Reserve System. (It) doesn't take any from you to give to the unemployed. So Now, the unemployed can buy food, shelter and gas to look for work that isn't out there (ANYWHERE).

Not only are there no JOBS out there, but more and more people are getting laid off. If I remember right, I believe I predicted this would happen this past spring in another blog.

Instead of saying the tax payers are paying for this, tell the truth! It comes from thin air from the Federal Reserve.

That was the whole purpose of using the Federal Reserve (Promissory) Notes. We don't have any lawful money to use so the government is allowed to get it from the Feds on a promise that the U.S. Citizens will pay it back.

In the first place, all the money the government takes from you goes to the IMF. It does not take money from you in the form of taxes and give to the poor. Only Robin Hood did that.

Look at all the other countries. They tax their people and buy shoes, clothes, Castles, Palaces etc. They don't give it back to their subjects. Neither does our government. The money it takes from the people is not the governments. It is Bankrupt. It (Government) goes to its Government) creditor, not the poor.

The U.S. Constitution tells us that a foreign company out of Peurto Rico (IRS) can not tax our Property, and our Pay Check is the most sacred Property because that is how we obtain all our other Property.

In order to tax our Property it must be apportioned according to the census. This is a direct tax and is not apportioned according to the census.

This clause in the constitution is what makes the 16th amendment constitutional. The 16th Amendment says from (Any Tax without apportionment), removing it from the category of a Direct Tax and just giving another meaning to the Indirect Tax. It didn't change anything in the constitution except add an Amendment (16th) which only gives another definition of the Indirect Tax. It was allowed to stay in order to trick the people into believing Congress could tax your Property (pay check).

Now That is a Tax Cut. Cut to "0".

Do Not Attempt This unless you know what you are doing!

The government does not obey the laws, so (it) will bury you.

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Fri, Dec 3, 2010, at 11:10 AM

Is anyone really surprised?

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010...

-- Posted by quietmike on Fri, Dec 3, 2010, at 6:10 PM

quietmike,

Just another scam the FCC is attempting. The FCC is a Federal Agency and only has jurisdiction within the United States and its territories "Meaning" "Washington, D.C. and its islands, Possessions, Territories and land ceded over by the states with the consent of Congress".

Congress needs to get a back bone and start doing its job.

"All Federal Legislation applies only in the United States Federal Territories and places under its exclusive jurisdiction."

Congress doesn't legislate the same way for Federal Citizens (14th Amendment Citizens) as it MUST with the people of the states. It does not have to give Federal Citizens Constitutional Rights.

1901: Downes v. Bidwell, 182 U.S. 244. Establishes that constitutional limits on the Congress do not apply within the "federal zone" and described where they do apply.

"CONSTITUTIONAL RESTRICTIONS AND LIMITATIONS [Bill of Rights] WERE NOT APPLICABLE to the areas of lands, enclaves, territories, and possessions over which Congress had EXCLUSIVE LEGISLATIVE JURISDICTION".

This is why they have laws telling them that THEY must purchase licenses for the privilege of doing what we have a right to do.

The People don't know that because it was never revealed to the people.

___________________ FRAUD or a Unique Lie

Lavin v. Marsh, 644 F.2nd 1378, 9th Cir., (1981)

"Persons dealing with government are charged with knowing government statutes and regulations, and they assume the risk that government agents may exceed their authority and provide misinformation"

Bollow v. Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco, 650 F.2d 1093, 9th Cir., (1981)

"All persons in the United States are chargeable with knowledge of the Statutes-at-Large.. It is well established that anyone who deals with the government assumes the risk that the agent acting in the government's behalf has exceeded the bounds of his authority"

Proof: the Law admits the government agents LIE and don't obey the laws and exceed their jurisdiction.

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Sat, Dec 4, 2010, at 4:05 PM


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