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Steve Mills

Wiki leaks discussion from another blog

Posted Tuesday, November 30, 2010, at 6:52 AM
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  • I would think that specific "leaks" are strategic moves, but this sounds like like a weasel in the hen house.

    The damage I see being done is not to any one specific country or individual, it is the level of trust Nations can expect when dealing with the U.S.

    I heard an ex-diplomat discussing one of the Middle East nations reluctance to tell us the truth because they could not trust us to keep the information private. This leak went a far way towards justifying their beliefs.

    If we can not get to the truth, what chance do we have of working out the issues? If our Allies can not trust us.....(fill in the rest yourself)

    -- Posted by stevemills on Tue, Nov 30, 2010, at 7:22 AM
  • I am on the fence with this issue. Because, I believe that we have the right to real information, you know behind the scenes stuff. And know how the government is really working.

    But, when you start posting about private conversations that were being held behind closed doors, it becomes dangerous.

    But I do agree, that if Wiki leaks is full of fake info, then why is the government going crazy because of the releases? So, I am not sure where I stand on this.

    -- Posted by PrpleHze on Tue, Nov 30, 2010, at 8:38 AM
  • I guess the proof will be when we learn the source of the leak.

    If it is disinformation, then they have to go bananas to sell the whole package. Regretably that means misleading some good people.

    I had a sales manager one time tell me that an item was at cost so I passed that along to the customer as I was told. It turns out that the customer knew better and called the manager's bluff.

    I was the one who looked stupid because I believed my sales manager. Luckily, my customer had become a friend as well so he helped me through it.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Tue, Nov 30, 2010, at 9:09 AM
  • They should both be charged with and prosecuted for the crime of treason. An American soldier or citizen in some foreign country is going to pay the ultimate sacrifice for their blind ambitions.

    -- Posted by Tim Lokey on Tue, Nov 30, 2010, at 10:40 AM
  • First of all Steve Thank you for posting this personally I think it is a very good topic others may not feel the same as I do about this but that's ok. If I had actually seen anything in these scripts that I thought would harm anyone I would be the first to stand up and say it was wrong of them to publish these..but still I see nothing that would be cause for a Threat to our security. I see a lot of bad mouthing of different countries from everyone.. not only the United States but from Russia, Europe, Iran, Iraq. I think a lot of this that was published is things Americans have always believed but never truly knew until now.

    Wiki Leaks published the Iraq War logs quite some time ago and we sure didn't hear all the crying when those were published, did we?

    I believe the White House has much more to hide than what info that Wiki leaks has and they were very frightened about the type of info that Wiki leaks really had.. There is alot of info out there from Wiki leaks most of which I find to be purely an embarrassment of officials from other countries.. they have all seemed to have their hands in this: so I can not see one getting upset when they were doing the same things.

    I follow Wiki Leaks on Twitter because it does seem much easier to me to keep up with what they are publishing.

    As far as it being treason, I think not.. these White House politicians work for us when someone works for you don't you think you have a right to know what goes on behind closed doors? Isn't hiding the facts what got us into trouble with the economy and the Iraq War in the first place?

    It seems to me this is just more of the same hiding the truth from the American people. Personally I would like to know exactly what the White House was afraid of because I do not think that any of this that has been leaked so far is anything more than an embarrassment . I think there is more. Wiki Leaks may have more damaging scripts and that's what Washington is fearful of!!

    The question still remains are these scripts truly damaging to anyone besides the government official's positions?

    -- Posted by Dianatn on Tue, Nov 30, 2010, at 1:17 PM
  • Something else to keep in mind:

    The people responsible for keeping leaks like this from happening are the same people that have pushed for all peoples' personal medical information to be computerized and made accessible by the government.

    -- Posted by quietmike on Tue, Nov 30, 2010, at 5:44 PM
  • The medical information does not concern me as much as the information they could obtain from the IRS. I would much rather a hacker know I had surgery on my big toe than for him to know ALL of my personal information from the IRS.

    Strange everyone is scrambling to shut this site down and keep their secrets tucked away. Yet not one file has been denied as false.

    -- Posted by Dianatn on Tue, Nov 30, 2010, at 6:07 PM
  • Part of me believes this is a false flag operation by the powers that be to further demonstrate that we NEED government controls on the internet, "for our own good".

    -- Posted by quietmike on Tue, Nov 30, 2010, at 6:10 PM
  • Part of me believes this is a false flag operation by the powers that be to further demonstrate that we NEED government controls on the internet, "for our own good".

    -- Posted by quietmike on Tue, Nov 30, 2010, at 6:10 PM

    You may very well be correct mike. I guess we shall have to wait and see :)

    Wiki Leaks is now saying they have information on Big banking that we will be interested in hearing.

    I can honestly say "Yea I'm interested" :)

    -- Posted by Dianatn on Tue, Nov 30, 2010, at 6:17 PM
  • Sorry, DianaTN, I've been out of pocket for a while.

    As for the WikiLeaks thing, I don't think there's anything that's too damaging in there, from what I've heard so far. Just a bunch of comments about foreign governments and rulers that, I'm certain, everyone in Washington, D.C. already knows about. I highly doubt that anyone really believes that our (or ANY country's) diplomats are simply there to engage in conversation. Everyone knows that they conduct a modicum of intelligence gathering. If nothing more than observing the poker faces of foreign dignitaries while they're at their fancy shindigs.

    What troubles me most about this is that, allegedly, a Private First Class in the Army was able to take a recordable CD into a facility that housed classified material. Disseminating classified material is enough to put him away for the rest of his life...if this information was truly classified and not just classified to keep from being an embarrassment to the United States Government.

    What I would really like to know is whether he gave it to Assange, or if he was paid for these files. Whether or not this was planned by more than this Pfc, and who else was involved. I don't believe that we could really pursue Assange for anything more than possibly copyright infringement since he's not a U.S. citizen, isn't in this country currently, and probably wasn't in this country when this all went down. We cannot try to force our laws on other countries or their citizens. If we try to prosecute Assange for doing something that is a crime here, but not where he did this action, then other countries could try our citizens for "crimes" that are committed here that are perfectly legal here. For example, being a homosexual is a crime in Iran. Iran could just as easily say that they're going to prosecute Rosie O'Donnell for being a lesbian...not that I would be too heartbroken over that, but you get the idea. China could prosecute any one of us for voicing our opinions on their government on these blogs. Each country has their own laws and their own way of enforcing these laws. The only way to do otherwise would be to have a one-world governing body. And THAT scares the hell out of me.

    I do, however, agree with some that if the United States Government didn't want this information to be seen, it wouldn't be. Some of this stuff I actually think needs to come out into the open. Like all of the Middle-Eastern countries that actually think Iran is run by lunatics (aside from the Rosie O'Donnell thing). And that the Chinese don't really care all that much for Kim Jung-Il and his shenanigans in North Korea. Or that the Brazilians really support the War on Terrorism, regardless of what they say publicly. In my opinion, disseminating the "diplomatic cables" wasn't such a bad thing.

    If there is found to be any truly classified information in there, and by this I mean the legal definition involving national security interests, then yes, whoever is responsible for that should be tried for espionage, but not treason. Treason is defined in the Constitution (the ONLY crime that is) as follows: "Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court." Since this wasn't an act of war or aid to our enemies then the "treason" charge wouldn't fit and would be very easily defended.

    -- Posted by Thom on Tue, Nov 30, 2010, at 9:29 PM
  • According to Nancy Pelosi unemployment benefits create jobs...maybe they're counting all of the unemployed as "working" for the government.

    -- Posted by Thom on Thu, Dec 2, 2010, at 1:00 PM
  • A Tax cut would only apply to those who are rich so that isn't going to help the people.

    -- Posted by Unique-Lies

    Not even close.

    Even if it was true, has a poor person ever given you a job?

    If the government takes a dollar from you and gives me 75 cents (keeping .25 for administrative fees) and I spend those 75 cents, are you saying that helps the economy more than if you'd spent your whole dollar?

    -- Posted by quietmike on Thu, Dec 2, 2010, at 4:05 PM
  • "If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issuance of their currency, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered."Thomas Jefferson

    Charles A. Lindbergh, Sr. 1913 "When the President signs this bill, the invisible government of the monetary power will be legalized....the worst legislative crime of the ages is perpetrated by this banking and currency bill."

    I read a column a few years ago called "The Birth of Legal Counterfeiting" it is most certainly the most informative column i have ever read on this subject.

    If you wish to read it yourself here

    http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/msg92014.html

    -- Posted by Dianatn on Thu, Dec 2, 2010, at 6:10 PM
  • -- Posted by quietmike on Fri, Dec 3, 2010, at 6:10 PM
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