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Steve Mills

What are the arguments about using photo i.d.s for voting?

Posted Wednesday, February 16, 2011, at 8:55 AM
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  • There should be no room for respectable argument here. Some may say that it is about the cost of getting an ID , that's simple allow for a one time exemption from the fee to get one. There is no reason a legal citizen of this country should not be able to get an legal picture ID. Id's have been a part of this country long enough that there should be very few who would have a problem getting one should they be legally able to. Personally I prefer to be asked for my ID, I want to be sure that nobody else is able to use my vote.

    I am sure there are those on both sides who are interested in manipulating the voting process - there are low lifers every where, they are not exclusive to one party over another. Some think that as long as they get their way it does not matter how they got it .

    -- Posted by wonderwhy on Wed, Feb 16, 2011, at 11:27 AM
  • Would also prefer to be asked for I.D. Too many people voting that shouldn't be.

    -- Posted by neighborhood mom on Wed, Feb 16, 2011, at 2:49 PM
  • Anyone want to take the opposite side? Why should we NOT ask for photo I.d.s?

    -- Posted by stevemills on Wed, Feb 16, 2011, at 3:46 PM
  • Just in case no one on this blog wants to start the conversation that would kill this bill, here is what I read in comments from Senator Haynes:

    "there are people in the world that don't have driver's license, don't have photo ID. There are people in the world who are 65 and older that have a driver's license without a photo ID on it. There's a class of people who are not indigent but yet don't have a photo ID."

    The word "class" was used a lot and "voter suppression"

    "I feel that it's voter intimidation, and some of my constituents think this is," said Democratic Sen. Thelma Harper of Nashville, who voted against the measure.

    "There are people who do not have vehicles. It takes time. They might not have the means to acquire an ID. I just think this is a means to block voter participation in this state," said League of Women Voters President Jamey Dobbs.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Wed, Feb 16, 2011, at 4:08 PM
  • I usually have to show my ID when I vote anyway...

    -- Posted by espoontoon on Wed, Feb 16, 2011, at 4:10 PM
  • In case you are wondering why I copied quotes, I did not want to be guilty of paraphrasing their comments and putting 'words in their mouths'.

    Yes, they are taken out of a larger statement. Here is one link http://www.wate.com/Global/story.asp?S=1... for the League of Women Voters quote and here is video and transcripts for the other quotes http://www.liberadio.com/2009/03/31/tenn...

    -- Posted by stevemills on Wed, Feb 16, 2011, at 4:14 PM
  • I have to show mine as well espoontoon. I did not think a thing about it.

    My 92 year old mother-in-law had to get a photo i.d. so she could fly on an plane last year.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Wed, Feb 16, 2011, at 4:21 PM
  • Anyone can get a TN state-issued photo i.d. for $12.50. I don't think that's outragously expensive to be able to vote if you don't have a driver's license.

    -- Posted by neighborhood mom on Thu, Feb 17, 2011, at 4:24 PM
  • What is the opposition REALLY worried about here? The reasons I have heard so far are superficial, in my opinion.

    I don't want anyone who is a legal voter to lose their right to vote, but these objections can be resolved without too much fuss.

    Where's the 'beef'. What is so important that a complete political party will vote as a block?

    -- Posted by stevemills on Thu, Feb 17, 2011, at 8:39 PM
  • How are these people buying cigarettes and beer and liquor? You have to have a photo ID for these things. I know there are people that don't purchase these things, but I'm just saying, Ms Harper. Did you stand up and fight the legislation that kept some of your continuants from buying these items, because they couldn't afford getting a photo ID.

    -- Posted by docudrama on Thu, Feb 17, 2011, at 8:56 PM
  • Where is the outcry over not only requiring a photo I.D., but also a fee, background check, and possibly a waiting period to exercise our second amendment right?

    -- Posted by quietmike on Fri, Feb 18, 2011, at 4:46 AM
  • Steve the reason to not ask for voter ID is that it makes voter fraud ever so much easier.

    -- Posted by cherokee2 on Fri, Feb 18, 2011, at 5:17 PM
  • The reasons I have seen so far for objecting to it are weak so your suggestion has validity.

    I had hoped some opponents to this bill would speak up with substantial objections, but....

    Voter intimidation & voter suppression are certainly serious issues but I see nothing that would really do this. No one really backs their outcries with valid argument. They just shout out the marching chants. Or so it seems to me.

    What is disappointing is all the "followers" who voted in block. I know that can be said about the other side as well, but in this case, I happen to agree with that side and find it difficult to believe that some on the other side do not think agree as well.

    -- Posted by stevemills on Sat, Feb 19, 2011, at 10:44 AM
  • Cherokee2...100% correct!

    -- Posted by neighborhood mom on Sun, Feb 20, 2011, at 7:52 AM
  • I agree with you, that it was challenging to follow your discussion U-L, but you did make me wonder if a separate voter card was necessary, or just any official photo I.D. verifying your face to your name. Anyone seen it in the legislation.

    Assuming that those who oppose it are interested in reducing or trying to eliminate voter fraud, what is a better solution? Fingerprints? Eye scans? or ?????

    -- Posted by stevemills on Tue, Feb 22, 2011, at 4:21 PM
  • It is one thing to make a statement, but can you imagine the reaction from the press if the other side had pulled this?

    -- Posted by stevemills on Wed, Feb 23, 2011, at 7:40 AM
  • Unique-Lies, the reason they are not showing up to vote is because they are not being allowed to debate the bill they are expected to vote on - that is what is criminal. The main objective of the vote is to take away the rights of workers, they want it voted on without discussion that may have an impact on how some may vote -it is NEVER right to do either of those things. The workers and the union have agreed to all the concessions they were asked to give so this IS NOT about their role in the budget.

    ""The bill includes a provision that would allow the state to sell or contract out the operation of heating, cooling, and power plants without a bidding process and without consulting the state's independent utility regulator. Democratic legislators worried aloud that the process would attract abuse, and Jon Peacock, director of the Wisconsin Budget Project, called the no-bid approach a "red flag."

    The bill also employs "emergency" powers that would allow the governor's appointed health secretary to redefine the foundations of the state's Medicaid program, Badgercare, ranging from eligibility to premiums, with only passive legislative review. The attorney in the legislature's nonpartisan reference bureau who prepared the bill warned that a court could invalidate the statute for violating separation of powers doctrine."" ( copied from http://news.firedoglake.com/2011/02/23/a...

    So with all the information taken into consideration I applaud those who have the honor and respect for the WORKERS to actually stand up for them and back what is right.............

    -- Posted by wonderwhy on Thu, Mar 3, 2011, at 8:37 PM
  • If we allow people like Walker to do as he is we will have our rights stripped from us one by one, this will be just the start.Look at Ohio, they dismissed republicans that they feared would not vote the way they wanted them to and replaced them with the sure votes - how crooked is that? If the unions are broke then how long do you think it will take the big corps to buy off the republicans and remove all worker protection? We will be back where we were before they were created. Sweat shops and slave labor with no way to protect ourselves from abuse and horrid unsafe work conditions. Unions are the only checks and balance we have to insure the workers have representation, and that representation benefits even non working unions by setting a guide line of what is acceptable, it's goes a lot deeper than health care and wages, it goes into safety and work conditions.Do you really think we can trust the corporations out of honor to do whats right? We see how trust worthy they are by the way the banks took our money and ran ----

    -- Posted by wonderwhy on Thu, Mar 3, 2011, at 8:58 PM
  • In today's world of internet news and viral videos, I do not see how sweat shops and slave labor would exist in the U.S. unless the people inside do not help themselves by exposing it.

    The press is hungry for stories like this. Do you think it would not explode?

    -- Posted by stevemills on Fri, Mar 4, 2011, at 3:40 PM
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