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What are the arguments about using photo i.d.s for voting?

Posted Wednesday, February 16, 2011, at 8:55 AM

I can guess the benefit of assuring the person voting is the person registered and there might be some folks who don't want to get their picture taken, but are there other reasons why this vote would split along party lines?

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There should be no room for respectable argument here. Some may say that it is about the cost of getting an ID , that's simple allow for a one time exemption from the fee to get one. There is no reason a legal citizen of this country should not be able to get an legal picture ID. Id's have been a part of this country long enough that there should be very few who would have a problem getting one should they be legally able to. Personally I prefer to be asked for my ID, I want to be sure that nobody else is able to use my vote.

I am sure there are those on both sides who are interested in manipulating the voting process - there are low lifers every where, they are not exclusive to one party over another. Some think that as long as they get their way it does not matter how they got it .

-- Posted by wonderwhy on Wed, Feb 16, 2011, at 11:27 AM

Would also prefer to be asked for I.D. Too many people voting that shouldn't be.

-- Posted by neighborhood mom on Wed, Feb 16, 2011, at 2:49 PM

Anyone want to take the opposite side? Why should we NOT ask for photo I.d.s?

-- Posted by stevemills on Wed, Feb 16, 2011, at 3:46 PM

Just in case no one on this blog wants to start the conversation that would kill this bill, here is what I read in comments from Senator Haynes:

"there are people in the world that don't have driver's license, don't have photo ID. There are people in the world who are 65 and older that have a driver's license without a photo ID on it. There's a class of people who are not indigent but yet don't have a photo ID."

The word "class" was used a lot and "voter suppression"

"I feel that it's voter intimidation, and some of my constituents think this is," said Democratic Sen. Thelma Harper of Nashville, who voted against the measure.

"There are people who do not have vehicles. It takes time. They might not have the means to acquire an ID. I just think this is a means to block voter participation in this state," said League of Women Voters President Jamey Dobbs.

-- Posted by stevemills on Wed, Feb 16, 2011, at 4:08 PM

I usually have to show my ID when I vote anyway...

-- Posted by espoontoon on Wed, Feb 16, 2011, at 4:10 PM

In case you are wondering why I copied quotes, I did not want to be guilty of paraphrasing their comments and putting 'words in their mouths'.

Yes, they are taken out of a larger statement. Here is one link http://www.wate.com/Global/story.asp?S=1... for the League of Women Voters quote and here is video and transcripts for the other quotes http://www.liberadio.com/2009/03/31/tenn...

-- Posted by stevemills on Wed, Feb 16, 2011, at 4:14 PM

I have to show mine as well espoontoon. I did not think a thing about it.

My 92 year old mother-in-law had to get a photo i.d. so she could fly on an plane last year.

-- Posted by stevemills on Wed, Feb 16, 2011, at 4:21 PM

Anyone can get a TN state-issued photo i.d. for $12.50. I don't think that's outragously expensive to be able to vote if you don't have a driver's license.

-- Posted by neighborhood mom on Thu, Feb 17, 2011, at 4:24 PM

What is the opposition REALLY worried about here? The reasons I have heard so far are superficial, in my opinion.

I don't want anyone who is a legal voter to lose their right to vote, but these objections can be resolved without too much fuss.

Where's the 'beef'. What is so important that a complete political party will vote as a block?

-- Posted by stevemills on Thu, Feb 17, 2011, at 8:39 PM

How are these people buying cigarettes and beer and liquor? You have to have a photo ID for these things. I know there are people that don't purchase these things, but I'm just saying, Ms Harper. Did you stand up and fight the legislation that kept some of your continuants from buying these items, because they couldn't afford getting a photo ID.

-- Posted by docudrama on Thu, Feb 17, 2011, at 8:56 PM

Where is the outcry over not only requiring a photo I.D., but also a fee, background check, and possibly a waiting period to exercise our second amendment right?

-- Posted by quietmike on Fri, Feb 18, 2011, at 4:46 AM

Steve the reason to not ask for voter ID is that it makes voter fraud ever so much easier.

-- Posted by cherokee2 on Fri, Feb 18, 2011, at 5:17 PM

The reasons I have seen so far for objecting to it are weak so your suggestion has validity.

I had hoped some opponents to this bill would speak up with substantial objections, but....

Voter intimidation & voter suppression are certainly serious issues but I see nothing that would really do this. No one really backs their outcries with valid argument. They just shout out the marching chants. Or so it seems to me.

What is disappointing is all the "followers" who voted in block. I know that can be said about the other side as well, but in this case, I happen to agree with that side and find it difficult to believe that some on the other side do not think agree as well.

-- Posted by stevemills on Sat, Feb 19, 2011, at 10:44 AM

Cherokee2...100% correct!

-- Posted by neighborhood mom on Sun, Feb 20, 2011, at 7:52 AM

Okay, here you go!

A Voter Photo ID Card is nothing more than another License to tax you.

We the people have a right to Vote. We don't need a License to Vote.

14th Amendment Citizens (U.S. Citizens under its exclusive jurisdiction) must purchase a license for the right (privilege because it is given by the US Gov) to vote.

The Constitution does not give us the right to vote. The Constitutions secure our God given right to vote. No License needed.

So it is just a harmless Photo ID Card you say!

(1.) You have to agree that YOU ARE a U.S. Citizen and under its exclusive jurisdiction. (See 14th Amendment)

(2.) You have to agree that YOU ARE the "Entity" listed on the Voter Photo ID Card. (a legal Affidavit)

(A) A name with all CAPITAL LETTERS is NOT a Man nor a Woman. It is an entity.

(B) An Entity is an artificial person, place or thing like a business not a real person.

(C) Your name in ALL CAPS is the artificial entity known as YOUR "Strawman". You are responsible for the debts of your Strawman or Artificial Entity. (See Strawman in a Dictionary, then Google it)

(3.) It would contain the same information as your Drivers License except it might include your district and/or "party".

(4.) This is just another vehicle to make you subject to the jurisdiction of the State and/or Federal Government.

I know that no one knows what I am talking about, but it is happening as I describe it to you.

It is just a harmless Photo ID that YOU will be PROUD to show as a Patriotic proof of your right to vote.

I just want everyone to see just how simple and easy it will be to mark people with the convenient and patriotic Mark of the Beast.

Wake up people. President Obama is sitting in to negociate the 7 year peace treaty with Israel. That is when the Trials and Tribulation begin.

As an Artificial Entity, you have no rights - only privileges, if you pay for them.

Any Questions?

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Tue, Feb 22, 2011, at 1:32 PM

Then you have the unpatriotic side.

Let's look at what happens when you get your purse or wallet stolen. You have to call the bank and stop all checks, report your cards stolen and apply for new ones.

Your new Voter Photo ID Card would also have to be replaced because someone else has your Voter Photo ID card now. Will they use it or just sell it? who knows. I am sure someone will take the chance to use it if they have yours. I mean, just how close to people look at those horrible Photos and say that looks just like you?

You at all the counterfeit Driver Licenses that are made every year. How hard would it be to counterfeit a Voter Photo ID card?

I have seen photos of someone as an old man with grey hair and bead then went out and gotten a hair cut or dyed their hair. They look younger and all together different than their ID Photos.

All someone has to do is match the hair color put on fake glasses or no glasses, whatever the Photo calls for and they can vote using your Voter Photo ID card.

If they succeed, they will keep your card for other voting times and just stay away from where you live, because your address will be printed on the card along with your other information you don't want people to have like your Soc Sec Number (all the information they need to steal your Identity).

So it looks like there will be a lot more Legislation to pass in the future requiring everyone who looses their Voter Photo ID card to report it stolen or missing or destroyed within so many days or face criminal prosecution for aiding and abetting voter registration crimes.

Maybe the States will add the RFID chips to the Voter Photo ID cards so they can be found when stolen. There is no safe and secure way to protect anything today. Awe who knows?

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Tue, Feb 22, 2011, at 2:06 PM

I agree with you, that it was challenging to follow your discussion U-L, but you did make me wonder if a separate voter card was necessary, or just any official photo I.D. verifying your face to your name. Anyone seen it in the legislation.

Assuming that those who oppose it are interested in reducing or trying to eliminate voter fraud, what is a better solution? Fingerprints? Eye scans? or ?????

-- Posted by stevemills on Tue, Feb 22, 2011, at 4:21 PM

When you watch the National News, you may find that we won't need a Voter Photo ID card soon.

If the Democrats are not going to show up to vote in the house, because they are out numbered by Republicans, there won't be any need to vote, at least not for democrats.

And it is spreading now to other states.

I feel it is criminal and they should be impeached from office when they do return to work, if in fact they ever do.

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Wed, Feb 23, 2011, at 12:06 AM

It is one thing to make a statement, but can you imagine the reaction from the press if the other side had pulled this?

-- Posted by stevemills on Wed, Feb 23, 2011, at 7:40 AM

It would be the same thing, only in a different direction of course.

Congress replaced the State Legislature in a few States back when they were trying to get the 14th Amendment passed. The Legislators were replaced with Legislators who would vote to pass the 14th Amendment.

The congress claimed those southern States were Hostel States and were not allowed a seat in Congress.

Who is to say these Northern State won't lose their seats in Congress because they are becoming Hostel States with all the Protesting about - WHAT?

Most people out there protesting don't even know why or what they are protesting. They are just there to stir up trouble.

As I see it, the Republicans can go home too. Looks like the States in question are at a stale mate.

The people in those States should stop protesting long enough to start demanding the Democrats return and do their job.

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Thu, Feb 24, 2011, at 5:44 PM

Unique-Lies, the reason they are not showing up to vote is because they are not being allowed to debate the bill they are expected to vote on - that is what is criminal. The main objective of the vote is to take away the rights of workers, they want it voted on without discussion that may have an impact on how some may vote -it is NEVER right to do either of those things. The workers and the union have agreed to all the concessions they were asked to give so this IS NOT about their role in the budget.

""The bill includes a provision that would allow the state to sell or contract out the operation of heating, cooling, and power plants without a bidding process and without consulting the state's independent utility regulator. Democratic legislators worried aloud that the process would attract abuse, and Jon Peacock, director of the Wisconsin Budget Project, called the no-bid approach a "red flag."

The bill also employs "emergency" powers that would allow the governor's appointed health secretary to redefine the foundations of the state's Medicaid program, Badgercare, ranging from eligibility to premiums, with only passive legislative review. The attorney in the legislature's nonpartisan reference bureau who prepared the bill warned that a court could invalidate the statute for violating separation of powers doctrine."" ( copied from http://news.firedoglake.com/2011/02/23/a...

So with all the information taken into consideration I applaud those who have the honor and respect for the WORKERS to actually stand up for them and back what is right.............

-- Posted by wonderwhy on Thu, Mar 3, 2011, at 8:37 PM

If we allow people like Walker to do as he is we will have our rights stripped from us one by one, this will be just the start.Look at Ohio, they dismissed republicans that they feared would not vote the way they wanted them to and replaced them with the sure votes - how crooked is that? If the unions are broke then how long do you think it will take the big corps to buy off the republicans and remove all worker protection? We will be back where we were before they were created. Sweat shops and slave labor with no way to protect ourselves from abuse and horrid unsafe work conditions. Unions are the only checks and balance we have to insure the workers have representation, and that representation benefits even non working unions by setting a guide line of what is acceptable, it's goes a lot deeper than health care and wages, it goes into safety and work conditions.Do you really think we can trust the corporations out of honor to do whats right? We see how trust worthy they are by the way the banks took our money and ran ----

-- Posted by wonderwhy on Thu, Mar 3, 2011, at 8:58 PM

In today's world of internet news and viral videos, I do not see how sweat shops and slave labor would exist in the U.S. unless the people inside do not help themselves by exposing it.

The press is hungry for stories like this. Do you think it would not explode?

-- Posted by stevemills on Fri, Mar 4, 2011, at 3:40 PM

That is exactly why we have state legislature. It is their job to study, discuss and vote for the best solutions.

In Wis.legislature, there are more Republicans than Democrats, so it stands to reason that the republicans will win more than lose. They have to work for the best benefits of the people. That is something that is very seldom considered. They vote for what they want in most cases. Legislature PASS LAWS every year that the public never even hear about until they violate the law.

It is also the responsibility of the State Supreme Court to review all bills before they are passed to make sure the legislators have not violated the state nor US Constitution.

The Supreme Court does not do that. I see legislation that goes against the Constitutions get passed without anything being said.

Wis. legislature is no different I'm sure.

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Sun, Mar 6, 2011, at 5:53 PM

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