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Anyone care to comment about the debt ceiling?

Posted Wednesday, August 3, 2011, at 6:50 AM

From the "what's on your mind" post we had a question about why this has not been brought up by anyone, so....now it has.

I am mind numb about it so maybe someone else has an opinion?


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Hey, don't laugh, it is possible. Obama I am sure doesn't have much use for me either. Those letters I wrote could bring the Secret Service into Shelbyville.

The thing is, I have told the truth and not ashamed to admit it. I haven't threatened the king nor anyone else except congressmen with a voice that they may be voted out of office which should happen since they can't do their jobs without a Special Committee of 12 congressmen.

A Special Committee of just 12 Congressmen only means they will screw it up in a fraction of the time it would take 535 Congressmen.

Also it wouldn't surprise me one bit if the FBI came to Shelbyville to investigate the judging at the National Walking Horse Celebration and to arrest the trainers and owners of some.

Every year lately, they have problems with owners and their trainers and how the horses are trained or the horses being drugged or abused.

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Tue, Aug 23, 2011, at 12:57 PM

Haha!

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Mon, Aug 15, 2011, at 10:59 AM

LOL! I was only teasing Unique-Lies about the attention that the letters may generate. I am sorry if I appeared completely serious. I forgot how difficult it is to convey playfulness.

I do not know anything about any agents being in town. I only leave the house when I have to, and even then, I don't socialize much. However, I am quite certain that provocateurs are a reality, and that they seek out discontents in an effort to marginalize their influence and discredit their messages.

-- Posted by memyselfi on Mon, Aug 15, 2011, at 7:46 AM

Must be top secret.

If we have a Secret Service agent in Shelbyville he must have come here to spy on the Walking Horse Celebration or Unique Lies. Everything I say is written for anyone to read and it is all Public Knowledge with a little common sense added in.

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Fri, Aug 12, 2011, at 10:41 AM

Evil Monkey/memyselfi I hope you can discuss that here. I am curious too.

BUT if the better choice is to keep it private, I will understand.

-- Posted by stevemills on Fri, Aug 12, 2011, at 7:30 AM

memyselfi,

Huh? email me at dstemper -at- charter dot net.

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Thu, Aug 11, 2011, at 10:18 PM

Has everyone noticed how much nicer it is now that the Democrats won the Debt Ceiling Vote.

Those good old Republicans just couldn't keep it together long enough to stop the spending. Instead they caved in to the Democrats and Raised the Debt Ceiling so President Obama can spend mo money.

The Democrats won the Debt Ceiling Votes and are complaining about winning it because they think they lost.

The only thing the Democrats didn't get was the taxes being raised.

The thing the Democrats don't seem to understand is that when President Obama Spends money he decreases the value of the US Dollar.

When the US Federal Reserve Note loses its value it never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never raises back up in Value. It always remains lost forever.

Example: The value of a US 1 Dollar bill today would only pay for a 7 cent item back in 1942.

The U.S. One Dollar Bill today would only buy a $.79 item just ten years ago.

The dollar is still a dollar but a box of cake mix that cost $.79 last year now cost $1.75. It's the same dollar but it takes more to buy the same thing.

The cost of everything is going up. Don't let the lower interest rate fool you nor the Stocks dropping.

Stocks have to drop before fortunes can be made on them. If you have been watching, when the Feds lower the interest rate people feel safe about going out and buying. In a couple years or less, the loans will be called in or the interest rates doubled, causing chaos all over again.

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Thu, Aug 11, 2011, at 4:11 PM

I don't see it that way!

The city of Shelbyville now has to write two very expensive Paychecks for the FBI and Secret Service Agents. Just a few months ago they didn't have the money for Garbage Pickup.

The 98 Provocateurs won't be Taxpayers because they won't be getting jobs here when there are no jobs available. They instead will be drawing an unemployment check (if possible) be on the Snap program, WIC Program, free housing and in the jails.

The best the City will be rewarded for these 100 persons will be court costs and fines.

And that is if the two agents don't have to do anything that will cost the taxpayers money.

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Thu, Aug 11, 2011, at 10:29 AM

Let's see, the way I figure, the city of Shelbyville's population just grew by 100. One FBI agent, one secret service agent, and ninety-eight provocateurs have just recently taken up permanent residence. Oh well, I guess that is one way to expand the local tax base.

-- Posted by memyselfi on Thu, Aug 11, 2011, at 2:07 AM

So what is your Question?

Please name me one (1) thing that President Obama has done for the people including or excluding the black people!

Tell me one thing Obama has done that he promised he would do if elected.

Tell me one (1) reason why 95 Democrats agreed with the Republicans on not raising the debt ceiling.

Give me one (1) example of the Debt Ceiling Not being Raised by Congressmen that you think were held hostage by the Tea Party who carry no weapons or backed by an army of any kind.

Please tell me how the Tea Party could influence Congress in any way to do anything unless it was their Constitutional duty to do.

Please tell me why the Republicans voted to Raise the Debt Ceiling against everything the Tea Party was against, if the Tea Party was holding them Hostage or threatened them with invisible weapons.

This new Super Congress is not a Congress but a Committee, but as I understand it, has some legislative power over Congress that we the people never gave to them. Just because they are 12 Congressmen, they are not the authorized Congress given power to Legislate.

To stop this 12 member Congressional Committee, everyone will have to write their Representatives and Congressmen and say "No" to it.

Some of my letters consisted of:

July 29, 2011

Dear President Obama,

Dear Representative Black,

Dear Senator Alexander,

Dear Senator Corker,

...I would also like explained to me "How do Senators figure President Obama could Invoke the 14th Amendment to raise the Debt Ceiling?" The 14th Amendment is a Citizenship Rights Amendment Not an Executive Power Amendment. The President gets his power from the people and it is defined in the constitution under Article I.

If our Senators don't know what the constitution means how can they serve the people?

I am aware that the 14th Amendment Citizens are under "its" (Corporate U.S. Government's) exclusive jurisdiction giving the Congress power to legislate anyway it wants to without constitutional limitation and restrictions, but Congress MUST legislate with Constitutional Limitations and restrictions when legislating for the American Sovereign Citizens who inherit Unalienable Rights at birth.

I also fully understand that under the Trading with the Enemy Act, 14th Amendment Citizens who are under its exclusive jurisdiction have been included as the enemy when this country is at war or in a state of emergency, which is in effect now and has been for several years.

The Trading with the Enemy Act or War Powers Act gives the President the right to investigate Financial affairs with the enemy, but does not give him any hidden power to raise the debt ceiling.

I think Congress needs to stop trying to scare the people and start thinking about keeping their office.

Sincerely, ***

----------------- My next Letter

August 4, 2011

Dear President Obama,

Dear Representative Black,

Dear Senator Alexander,

Dear Senator Corker,

...This new Super Congress of 12 members of Congress (which forbids those who voted against raising the debt ceiling) is unconstitutional. It denies the people the right to have their chosen Representatives and Senators represent them and their districts. We elected 535 Representatives and Senators for this job and forbid Congress from laying down on their job and putting it in the hands of 12 Congressmen who are hand pick for their wants and needs and not that of the people.

Sincerely,

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Wed, Aug 10, 2011, at 5:21 PM

Stop and breath Unique...................The republicans have made it clear they would rather see us default that compromise. The do not give one S888t about America only the hate agenda they worship. Just like you they are fueled by their hate for Obama, hate that began the second it was found out that the right lost the election. Sure you can piece together all kinds of fancy words in an order that you hope will cause people to panic enough to blindly run for the red. But the comment I borrowed from someone else is beyond true ----- If Obama were to put the cure for cancer on the table you and your clan would turn it down, there is no way that those you side with will ever tolerate anything good from Obama. That ugly hate , racism, political party hero worship will not allow it. It was the same when Clinton was in office 8 years of republican witch hunting (true at times he made it easy)It has nothing to do with wanting what is best for America - or they wold be working together and looking for feasible solutions for the PEOPLE...... but that is not it. This stupid super Congress is nothing more than a way to fast track away more of our rights, and now they are trying to put in a new back stabber for the people REINS , where the approval of congress certain issues - the catch is it has to be an up or down vote, no discussion and if not approved by both sides or not settled in 70 days will go to the trash heap and not be allowed to be reconsidered ---- so all they have to do is stall what they dislike long enough and it is gone. Now think 70 days, since when does congress work fast enough to settle anything in that amount of time.

-- Posted by wonderwhy on Wed, Aug 10, 2011, at 2:52 PM

Oh, OK! Comments on the Debt Ceiling!

Let's look at the debt ceiling.

Wed Aug 10.2011 it is now $ 14, 594,373,600,548.00

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

Not any more, Lol.

When all this came up, the debt ceiling was said to be $14.3 Trillion. I looked at the website and found it was not $14.3, but $14,5 Trillion and climbing.

Since then we have had Congressional debates trying to raise the debt ceiling and others wanting to stop spending. The debt kept climbing yet they said it was still only $14.3 Trillion.

Congress Raised the Debt Ceiling by $2.4 Trillion dollars.

The US debt clock still says we are in the $14.5 Trillion range. So where is this $2.4 Trillion increase. It didn't take all of that to keep us from defaulting.

If Congress added $2.4 Trillion dollars to our debt why isn't it showing up?

Now how would that be figured into the equation? A Credit or a Debit?

It doesn't seem to show up as neither. What gives?

Some say it is to cover what has already been spent. So in reality that would show up as a credit and the debt would have gone down. It didn't!

If it was a debit, it would have been added to the debt of the United States. Why wasn't it.

So... just where did this Credit/Debit go?

Maybe the people need to question the National Debt using the power given to them by the U.S Constitution in Article I, Section 9, clause 7:

No Money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in Consequence of Appropriations made by Law; and a regular Statement and Account of the Receipts and Expenditures of all public Money shall be published from time to time.

My next word on the Debt Ceiling is... for all the idiots who think the Tea Party has more power than Congress and the United States President, should get on board and join us for a better and peaceable way to take back our powers that have been usurped by Traitors in Office and their disciples. (A PROUD Member of the Tea Party) http://theteaparty.net/

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Wed, Aug 10, 2011, at 1:54 PM

Now that must be the Leadership you are talking about. OB is sure standing tall on helping the middle east, but not Israel.

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Mon, Aug 8, 2011, at 3:31 PM

With King Obama spending money right and left, we find out he is spending it building Muslim Mosques overseas also.

The US State Department, headed by Secretary of State Hillary 'Spendem' Clinton is spending hundreds of millions of US taxpayer dollars to repair and rebuild mosques in the Middle East. They are also providing internet service to Islamic Imans:

http://godfatherpolitics.com/412/us-tax-...

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Mon, Aug 8, 2011, at 3:29 PM

Put the blame where the blame is!

Obama got what he wanted. Mo money! But now with the downgrade of our Credit Rating, Obama still is asking for Mo money!

Just how stupid can one person be?

If you watched the voting, you would know that many of the Republicans voted against what the Tea Party was for. So why are you crying?

Who was held hostage?

One half of the Democrats voted for NOT raising the debt Ceiling. Were they Tea Party Members? Were they being held hostage or traitors to Obama?

Were they Traitors to King OB or did they VIOLATE their Oath of Office to protect the U.S. Constitution by stop spending money and destroying our economy.

It was the RAISING of the debt ceiling and Congress's stalling around to do it that caused the AAA to be downgraded to AA+.

In the news today the very same Credit Reporting Company (S&P) is promising to lower our credit rating even lower if Congress doesn't get their Legislation together and CUT Spending. And they will have to cut a LOT.

So now, who will be to blamed? The Democrats who want to raise the spending ceiling more to create jobs which they haven't been able to do for over a year now, or the Republicans who want to stop spending and cut federal agencies or their spending?

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Mon, Aug 8, 2011, at 2:47 PM

Why should they impeach him they went so far as to put McCain and Palin on the ballot to insure he was the one elected and keep the blame of the bush years off the republicans. Heck you don;t actually believe they would have wanted to have to take credit for or fix that toxic mess do you....

And you got my point exactly they do not respond to the letters or input of the people they hire people to B.S. the public into thinking they care.

Treason???? "I think some of our members may have thought the default issue was a hostage you might take a chance at shooting," he said. "Most of us didn't think that. What we did learn is this - it's a hostage that's worth ransoming. " what do you call this malarkey ? That is blatant terrorism, and McConnel is proud to brag about it. Willfully attempting to go into default to get "98%" of what he wanted and intentionally risk trashing our country that is treason. And then to stand up an brag about it, well they should be more than just impeached. They intentionally caused the problem of trashy politics that caused the AAA rating to be dropped. I do blame Obama for letting them get away with the trashy politics, same as I blame Bush for ignoring the warnings before 9/11 - he most likely could not have stopped it from happening but we will never know will we he did not try to.The same with Obama, he may not be able to stop the rabid trashy politics the right is playing but by gosh he does not have to bow down and let them do it without a fight !!!!! He needs to stand tall - look them in the eyes - and tell them NO !!! Then back it up with action. HE needs to send the bullies back to play ground until they are will to behave and do the job of representing AMERICANS not hold them hostage for ransom to get their buddies richer or achieve the hate mission against Obama.

-- Posted by wonderwhy on Sun, Aug 7, 2011, at 4:21 PM

It is not even the representatives answering your emails and phone calls. They couldn't answer thousands of emails, letters and phone calls by themselves. They have employees doing all that.

They send out a form letter telling you thanks and I will get back with you later. Maybe a comment about something you want to hear from them. They just don't have the time to answer.

The main thing is we have to let them know we aren't stupid and we want them to do their job of we will vote them out.

Our Representatives don't seem to know anything about logic. I have wondered many times why the word "Impeach" hasn't come up yet? I see no reason why king OB couldn't be impeached for the many acts of treason he has committed. And now our members of Congress are following him in crime.

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Sun, Aug 7, 2011, at 2:17 PM

You are absolutly right Steve he does need to apply the word NO in order to achieve the YES we can. No we can not continue as we have, Yes we do need a responsible budget. He needs to tell the right NO when they throw main street in the gutter to protect the wealthy. They say even a family has to follow a budget, and that is right however that it is in their next breath they lose credibility ( the right) Families know that a budget sets the most basic needs of survival on the top of the list - food and shelter, followed by the necessities to provide for those needs,like transportation,safety, education and health. Then debt elimination and emergency funds. Those are all at the TOP of a families budget priorities. It is only after those expenses are met and a sound foundation is created that that luxuries and generous gifts come into play. Tax cuts for the rich are a mighty fancy gift to fund with cuts to the very basic budget items. Breaks for privet jets at the expense of food and shelter while trying to take away health care programs people have paid into all their lives tells you where their loyalties are. They say the tax cuts are for "job creation" thus are essential to insure that. Well it has not worked has it? I say the solution to that is to only extend those tax breaks to ACTUAL MONEY that is provided for job creation, and let all other money be considered what it is -income. Motivate job creation by making the breaks dependent on actual jobs created rather than give money in hopes of them creating jobs, give the breaks in response to jobs that have been made.

Obama needs to learn to stand firm and stop allowing them to bully him into plans that are leading us to our demise. It makes me sick to hear Boehner bragging about getting 98% of what HE wanted, and his buddy admitting that they held us hostage for ransom. If another country were to hold us for ransom we would send in the troops to destroy them as they would be considered the enemy yet our so called representatives are bragging about doing it to us. Whats wrong with that picture? Why is it not being treated as the crime and treason that it is against our country?

Now it is being reported that Boehner will only appoint those who WILL NOT compromise to the Super Congress Committee - so why have it if he will not work with the other side? It does not matter to them if no agreement is made because the fall out of that - broad cuts across the board - is what they want any way. So they get what they want and can spin it into Obama's fault. DIRTY POLITICS and games, and Obama still acting like they will do the right thing. What a mess, and we the people will be the ones who are destroyed when all is said and done. It's is fumy in a sick way that these teabaggers don't have a clue that no matter how much they bow down and worship their leaders, that those very leaders will crush them like ugly weeds when they are done with them. They are basically handing their demise to their leaders on a silver platter and taking themselves down as they attempt to crush the rest of us.

I will keep contacting my representatives and keep reading the crazy generic unrelated responses. Some do not even address the issue I contacted them about.

-- Posted by wonderwhy on Sun, Aug 7, 2011, at 1:23 PM

While I am not an Obama supporter, he had plenty of help from Congress and not just the ones in office.

I myself have trouble telling my family know and have not done a good job in the past, but instead of Yes we can, it should have been no we can't continue to spend on money we do not have, no we can't continue to support illegal aliens with numerous social programs, no we can't continue to send money abroad when our debts are not paid, no.....(fill in the blank)

-- Posted by stevemills on Sun, Aug 7, 2011, at 7:45 AM

It is unconstitutional because it is an appointed Committee and isn't done in a away that the people have a voice in their decisions.

The people have the power in this country to write or call their congressman and representatives and tell them what they want and don't want.

The people sat back and watched as the Tea Party done all the calling and emailing then complained about what they were asking for... No spending! The Republicans phrase it, "CUT CAP and BALANCE".

What the people don't know because they were just sitting and watching and not exercising their right to demand Congress, is, The Tea Party was also demanding Congress to vote against President Obama's plan to push International Gun Control Laws for the United Nations against the gun owners in America.

(Any laws under the UN's jurisdiction will apply to every Country in the World)

We are a Sovereign Country and the Constitution prohibits any International Organization or Int. Treaty from Superceding our Constitution.

The Tea Party was demanding Congress to Allow the people the right to work and choose to work for the union or not.

Your Tea Party isn't a one subject Organization fighting for what they want. They are protecting all our rights, because they know what your rights are even when you don't.

To STOP what Congress has in mind everyone will have to write, call, or email their members and complain about it. Demand the right to order Congress to listen to you.

By appointing a Super Committee, they are giving this Super Committee Power to Usurp more power over them. All it would take is for any President to come up with an executive order by the power given him/her by the "State of Emergency" clause in the trading with the enemy act to empower this committee over the existing Congress.

Tell your Representatives that you will elect someone new to take over their responsibilities and they can sit back and retire, since they can not do the job they were elected to do.

This is no more than a Super Committee and not a Congress. It will be Super because as you stated above, the Congressmen who will be appointed will be the ones the Appointers will want, not an impartial Congressman.

The United States Constitution defines what Congress is, how it is created and it's powers and limitations. Nowhere is there any clause that allows for a Congress of 12 members.

However, the way the American People sit back and let the White House Administration and Congress pass anything they want to... Who knows what will be possible!

People like to live with their head in the sand and live with the false hope that their Country's Leaders will PROTECT them and do what is right.

People today would rather blame the Tea Party than to open their eyes and look at who is really doing all this sh_t.

The people who did not listen to the Tea Party "Raised the Debt Ceiling" thinking it would save the US Credit Rating! Stupid Move!

I told everyone to email their Senators and Reps and demand they don't raise the Spending Ceiling. People said NO we need to raise the spending ceiling so we won't be down graded. Oops!

Now the Stock Market has to drop a little longer before it skyrockets. Don't sell!

Okay, everyone can put their head back in the sand now or email your Senators and Reps and demand they do their job or resign.

OR you can join the Tea Party and try to make a difference in numbers.

Look at the news today. The Democrats want to spend more money right after a downgrade of our Credit Rating. The Democrats just don't seem to get it. They are the ones who lost our credit rating and now they want to spend more. It's time to re-elect a new Congress and President.

One thing is for sure... King Obama isn't bragging about what he done this time. Not a Word!

He will have to find someone to blame it on before he mentions it. He should be proud of what he done. He is the FIRST and only President to double the deficit in his first term and caused the Country's Credit Rating to be Downgraded.

If I remember right, I believe I stated several times in other blogs also that King Obama was out to DESTROY our County and the People.

All that missing now is the New World Religion.

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Sat, Aug 6, 2011, at 11:01 AM

Things are getting out of control. We have them calling for follow the constitution while they seem to be destroying it. This article was interesting, brought up some good points about how they do not back their talking pints. This is just the beginning of the demise of our constitution. The way I understand it they have now given the power to do what ever they want to 12 people who they choose and will no doubt be servant to the lobbyist (the unions of the rich). How many more nails will the main streets coffin be able to take before there is no hope for their survival left?

What makes any think the 6 super republicans will be any more willing to work to come up with a plan both sides are in agreement on when a stale mate would better serve the massive cuts they want. Bouhner already said he will not appoint anyone who has disagreed with him and voted against what he wanted.He does not want anyone in there who will try to find a compromise. He will do everything he can to get the 100% of what he wants. Anyone who thinks that they will appoint people who will not be their puppets is a fool. How far do the powers of this so called super congress go? Does it stop at the budget or will it have power to attack and do what ever it wants across the board? Will it be a mini dictatorship? Once they eliminate all our ability to stand up for ourselves will it also be down sized to say just one - like Hitler perhaps? What a mess for the citizens of this country - I fear we have been completely sold out - there will be no more for the people by the people (what little there actually was anyway)

Is the new "Super Congress" Constitutional? | Print |

Written by Thomas R. Eddlem

Thursday, 04 August 2011 00:00

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Judge NapolitanoA number of constitutionalists have warned that the new "Super Congress" -- technically a joint committee of Congress -- may be unconstitutional. The new entity will be created out of the Obama-Boehner debt limit deal. "It smells," Representative Ron Paul (R-Texas) told Fox News August 1. "I just don't understand why Congress is so willing to give up its responsibilities to 12 people.... It's a reflection that they don't have answers."

Former New Jersey Superior Court Judge Andrew Napolitano told Fox News August 1 that he thinks the law may be unconstitutional:

"Members of the Senate and members of the House have the opportunity under the Constitution to debate items that are sent to them and to modify items that are sent to them. To force them to vote just yes or know with no debate, not to follow the rules of the House, which permits amendments, not to follow the rules of the Senate, which permits a filibuster, is such a substantial removal of the authority the Constitution gave them that this legislation is treading in waters that might not be constitutional."

One might agree with Napolitano that these points make the Super Congress unwise without agreeing that these particular points may make the Super Congress unconstitutional as well. After all, the U.S. Constitution provides that "Each House [of Congress] may determine the Rules of its Proceedings" (Art. I, Sec. 5) and choose its own officers (Art. I, Sec. 2 and 3). These powers of Congress in the U.S. Constitution are plenary; there are no limitations on them. And Congress has long chosen to fast-track (allow no amendments) most treaties and trade agreements that have been negotiated over many months, in order to avoid sending negotiators abroad again to renegotiate the agreements.

However, Napolitano raised another -- and unassailable -- objection to the legislation. Napolitano noted: "This is this Congress binding itself and all future Congresses to a simple up-or-down vote." In that sense, the new "Super Congress" joint committee is truly revolutionary, and unquestionably unconstitutional. Under the Constitution, no Congress can bind a subsequent Congress with rules of procedure, which is why one of the first acts of every new Congress after an election is for the House and Senate to separately approve new rules. One of the new rules the post-Tea Party Republican House adopted in January (and broken with adoption of the debt deal) included a rule pledging to post the full text of bills on-line at least 72 hours before a floor vote.

Back on Ron Paul's presidential website, the self-styled "Southern Avenger" Jack Hunter quipped that the "Super Congress' is not super. It's not even Congress." He quoted a disgusted Ron Paul saying that it is "nothing more than a way to disenfranchise the majority of Congress by denying them the chance for meaningful participation."

With the great leap of power assumed by this Congress over all future Congresses, it's hard to disagree with them.

-- Posted by wonderwhy on Sat, Aug 6, 2011, at 9:27 AM

Well, I guess ol Unique Lies was right when he said the interest rates would go up and the cost of everything would go up after all, inspite of King Obama paying the bills. Or did he.

Didn't all the experts say that would happen if he did NOT pay the bills? It happened just the same, just like I said it would if he did or didn't pay the bills.

It appears OB got his money he wanted to finish out his term, that raised the cost of living which means everything cost more, He managed to convince congress to stoop to his level in destroying our economy even further by allowing the interest rates to increase and the housing market to decline even more.

The icing on the cake is... more taxes coming soon, now that OB got his money. OB only has just over a year to destroy our country, system and people.

It will be interesting to see just what he will do next.

Oh, and the market, it is dropping big time, but only because the investors are scared. As soon as they calm down and clean their pants out, the market will soar higher than ever before. Anyone having stock should leave it and ride the wave.

Before the Market can bounce back it has to drop first. This allows the rich bankers to buy low and sell after they have made it recover much higher. This drop is the rich Bankers selling to scare the investors into selling. When it reaches what they think is their low, they will start buying the stock you sold and make a fortune doing it. These rich bankers control everything, even the market. They don't pass up an opportunity to make money on people's stupidity.

Gold went up before the debt ceiling was raised. It went down after the debt ceiling was raised. Now it is starting to climb again. this time I think it will keep climbing, unless the people stand up and raise hell with congress and demand congress work for them and stop this spending.

The thing is, every thing will cost you much more now with another $2.4 Trillion flooded into our economy. That means the stocks will go up too. Not all stocks but certainly the main stocks that I have mentioned before.

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Fri, Aug 5, 2011, at 10:38 AM

Just like I was telling Evil Monkey, the Federal and State Government only has control over certain people. They are usually "residents" or persons engaged in business. Like a doctor is a resident. He is a resident of the Business world and is licensed to do business, therefore a resident of the State and under its (Government) jurisdiction. It must obey the laws of Congress and of the State. If you are part of the Sovereignty, the government is under your jurisdiction, not the other way around.

But it's too late to teach an old dog new tricks, apparently. But then, the Government has taken your rights away from you by so many different contracts that we the public aren't even aware of them.

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Thu, Aug 4, 2011, at 1:42 PM

Tim Lokey, I'm glad you said that. I have been preaching that every since OB became President. He has wasted taxpayer money and got nothing for your money.

And he is doing other things to this country that only a traitor would even think about doing. OB has done more Destruction to our country than Osama Bin Laden (financially).

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Thu, Aug 4, 2011, at 1:11 PM

Evil Monkey, Not to worry, it will soak in one day.

What Congress cut was what happened because they went home instead of finishing the legislature they started.

On one hand they accidentally made cuts on the budget but on the other they put thousands out of work and decreased the amount of Tax the government took in by not finishing their job.

How did that lower the unemployment rate and create new jobs by eliminating the FAA Tax that was already collected?

And the worse part is their wasn't a FAA Tax elimination. The airports received the tax money and put it in their pockets. When Congress returns to session, all that tax money they returned to the customers will have to be paid by someone. Can you Guess who?

The Budget Cuts are suppose to be done by the Super Congress Committee of 12 Congressmen, not by congress going home. If that is legislating maybe they should just stay home. and let everything shut down on its own.

Like 12 Congressmen can do better than 535. And who has the power to grant this power to 12 of the 535?

Yes I am all for smaller Government. We the people are the sovereignty in this country, if you ever read your constitutions you would know that.

The Congress gave itself Sovereignty by passing the 14th Amendment. Now they have Sovereignty over the 14th Amendment Citizens. Before the 14th Amendment the United States only had jurisdiction in Washington,DC and all places ceded over to the Government by the States. Places like the Territories and possessions and Naval Bases (we didn't have land Armies back then) and all dock yards and arsenals. Places ceded over today consist of Military Bases which most have been turned into Relocation Centers, National Parks and Flood land given to the Government by the States. and of course all needful building that congress may use to have jurisdiction over the 14thAmendment citizens living in the States. (All Federal Legislation applies only in the Federal Territories unless a contrary intent appears in that law that would make it apply to everyone.) Therefore the Congress needs special building to and State territory to execute their laws on their citizens.

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Thu, Aug 4, 2011, at 1:04 PM

Iowa's GOP Governor Vetoes Tax Break For The Poor Because It Didn't Lower Corporate Taxes

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2011/08.

This mind set says it all!!!!! Trickle down to the little guy -yea right

The corporations just got their Bush tax breaks extended, at our sacrifice and expense mind you and now they extend their greed even further - will they ever stop or will they once they get every last penny from main street demand our blood also?

-- Posted by wonderwhy on Thu, Aug 4, 2011, at 10:31 AM

Common sense would dictate that when you max out your debt, the solution to the problem isn't increasing the debt limit, it's cutting spending and paying down the debt. Does ANYONE, regardless of party honestly believe that when you max out your credit card, the solution is getting another card?

By the way, absolutely none of Obama's spending plans to boost the economy have worked!

-- Posted by Tim Lokey on Thu, Aug 4, 2011, at 6:05 AM

"The Congress CUT billions of dollars in FAA expenses and TAXES, but at the same time laid off 70,000 airport construction workers and prevented the airlines from forwarding taxes to the FAA they collected from passengers."

Make up your mind, You want smaller government, Low taxes, and liberty. Right? But you are complaining about this? Anything you whine and cry about is always what Your President did to damage the country. Your typing here isn't helping or educating anyone because no matter what you say, contradicts a pending or previous statement you have made. Reminds me of Fox News.

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Wed, Aug 3, 2011, at 8:42 PM

First I have to defend the Tea Party. How many organizations can you think of that control Congress?

Well, the Tea Party isn't one of them. I thought they had a lot of pull with the Republicans, but the way the Congress voted for OB proves the Tea Party wasted all that Patriotism on a dead Congress and has no pull what so ever with the congress. Only a small handfull voted to stop the spending. Most voted to prevent the Default.

That is all the people really wanted and that is all they got too.

No spending cuts or commitments to stop spending. Only a promise to cut some by Oct. 2012, and some more in the next 10 years with congress promising to increase the debt ceiling during the next 10 year period. Where is the cuts?????????????

The Republicans as well as the democrats did just what you wanted them to do.

They raised the debt ceiling so Your precious king Obama could ask for more money for infrastructure work on roads and bridges.

There were absolutely no spending cuts placed in the deal except what Congress caused by going on a vacation and shutting down the session. The Congress CUT billions of dollars in FAA expenses and TAXES, but at the same time laid off 70,000 airport construction workers and prevented the airlines from forwarding taxes to the FAA they collected from passengers. How did your elected official help the economy with their vote and run campaign?

Now if you think about it, that was a collectible tax and must be paid to the government. By returning it to passengers, the air lines will have to make that tax money up when the FAA is back in business. Who is going to raise that money and from who?

And now the big questions;

Only congress has the power to legislate for the people, not some Super Committee. If congress gives this power over to 6 Republicans and 6 Democrats to decide what programs can be cut or not and which agencies can be shut down or remain, why do we need the Congress that we voted for?

They are apparently tired of their jobs and want to give this power over to 12 Congressmen instead of all 535 members doing what they were elected to do. Talk about irresponsible! I guess congress figures 12 heads are better than 535!

Time to vote for quality.

Maybe we should write our congressmen and explain since they are tired of their jobs, we are only going to vote 12 Congressmen into power in 2012. That would make the sessions shorter too because there wouldn't be as many OB disciples arguing about everything except the problem.

I have never been more disappointed in congress since the RFD Congress who voted without reading what they were voting on.

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Wed, Aug 3, 2011, at 5:17 PM

Democrats debt, hummmmm good thing Bush had everything paid for when he left office, that he did not run up any debt, after all he was handed a near balanced budget to start with one would hate to think was idiot enough to squander it on anything stupid like wars over oil and freebees for the rich now would we? If he would have done any of that we may have to ask any intelligent republican out there to share the blame for the expenses of this country.

Whew wouldn't want them to think republicans had any blame in this budget.

Now as to my opinion on the who cap thing, I wish they would have left it as a single issue and passed it like they have for every other president in history, then addressed any issues on how to handle future shortages to prevent getting into this mess again rather than use it to black male their way into God knows what they will use it for now. I am embarrassed by the weakness Obama has shown standing up up to the radical traitor right wing goons and their bully tactics. America was once a proud strong honorable country now we have the tea party scumbags running rampant making us out to be now better than the third world countries we try to help. I am basically disgusted all around with how the whole thing has played out - both sides need a swift kick in the backside to bring them back to the reality that they are there to represent the people not to stab us in the back and rob us blind.

-- Posted by wonderwhy on Wed, Aug 3, 2011, at 1:13 PM

Mmm, what else can I say?

OB and his Disciples got what they wanted in spite of what the Tea Party tried to do.

When you listen to the people who done the voting, they don't seem to know what they are talking about.

Lets take a look.

If the debt ceiling was raised up $2.4 Trillion from $14.3 Trillion the debt would now be $16.7 Trillion.

If this raise isn't for future expenses but for money already spent, why hasn't the debt come down $2.4 Trillion?

And if it is for money already spent by Congress, why is it being shelled out in payments as it will be needed by OB to get through his election?

It is being shelled out in payments because the Congress doesn't trust OB with keeping his promise to cut spending.

But wait! What cuts. No absolute cuts were voted on. Who is going to cut what?

It will be the job of congress to cut spending not OB, he won't be here unless you re elect him.

So all OB has to do is try to cut $1.2 Trillion in the next 10 years. He should get $1.2 Trillion over the next 10 years if he pays in @2.4 Trillion this year, not the other way around.

And the beauty of it all, is the new congress will have to deal with it not the 112th congress. that is kinda like OB complaining about what he inherited when he was elected.

Here is what I see:

According to the US Debt Clock : http://www.usdebtclock.org/

The National Debt is still $14.5 Trillion

The Personal Debt is $16 Trillion

The US Total Debt is $55 Trillion.

So what was all the fuss about the debt ceiling being raised. Why isn't the $55 Trillion Total debt being questioned? And we were forced to worry about a mere $14 Trillion debt. I am suppose to believe that raising the debt ceiling 2.4 Trillion Dollars would keep us from defaulting? Who makes up these rules?

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Wed, Aug 3, 2011, at 1:06 PM

Somehow I just knew you would be first to comment Unique-Lies. Thanks for starting it off.

-- Posted by stevemills on Wed, Aug 3, 2011, at 10:29 AM

So is Congress! The House of Representatives voted for it without reading it before they voted yes to give OB his raised debt ceiling.

They raised it $2.4 Trillion with the hope that the next President will cut $1.2 Trillion a year for the next 10 years.

Now the way I see it... Cutting your spending isn't the same thing as paying your debt. It only allows you more of your budget money to spend.

So now we have a $17 Trillion Debt instead of the 14.3 Trillion and no way to pay it down either.

And the beauty of it is... The Republicans got no Tax increase (or so they think) and the Democrats got their Debt paid without defaulting.

King OB got his $2.4 Trillion so he doesn't have to be shamed with another fight over the budget until he gets re-elected by the idiots. A dream come true for King OB, so to speak.

As for the people, what did they get?

To start with a much bigger Deficit with not way to pay it off or either pay it down. It's like taking one step forward and three steps backwards.

We will see the AAA Credit Rating drop some because of our slowness to work out an agreement to pay it. Our Interest rates will have to go up because our money is worth less today than it was before the vote. The Stock Market has to fall a little but will rebound to a new high, so keep your stocks and ride it out.

Watch for Tax increases on Gas, Cigarettes, insurance premiums for auto, home, health, major medical and burial insurances. You will also have several over increases now that the government got what it wanted, like higher interest rates on bank loans, car loans, mortgages and Credit Cards.

You will be paying more at the pumps, the grocery store, Rent, Utilities and phone services along with higher rates for cable and wireless and let's not forget clothing and the stocks.

If I missed anything I am sure our elected officials will catch it.

Other than that I think we need to vote all the congressmen out of office and start all over again when we lay off Obama.

But then, that is just my Opinion. I will say one thing and stick to it, I love how the Tea Party hung in there and done their best. It is just ashame that the American People won't back them for what they are doing. They are doing what we should be doing to protect our country.

Everyone wants to sit back and let others do their bidding and when a group of brave Patriots do, the people want to curse them and call them Terrorist and traitors. We know who the Traitors are.

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Wed, Aug 3, 2011, at 10:03 AM


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