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Could this come to Tennessee? Should it?

Posted Friday, October 21, 2011, at 10:12 AM

Louisiana enacts a bill banning the use of cash in transactions involving second hand, used, or junk items

EXCEPT for charities and pawn shops. Guess who must have a good lobbyist? http://www.legis.state.la.us/billdata/st...

"The broad scope of this definition can essentially encompass everyone........ Lawmakers in Louisiana have effectively banned its citizens from freely using United States legal tender. http://ackelandassociates.com/cash-trans...

Some questions:

*Would it be used against everyday shops both internet and Brick 'n Mortar?
*Should it apply?
*Can they legally ban the use of cash?
*Why are pawn shops exempt?


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The lawmakers in LA. must have drank too much Bayou water!!! Don't they have better things to vote on.

Hopefully, Tn. Lawmakers have better sense than this. This would hurt flea-marketers, yard-salers and Recyclers at a time when we seriously need to recycle, reuse and reduce to help save our PLANET!!!

-- Posted by ckna910 on Fri, Oct 21, 2011, at 11:26 AM

I don't think its legal to ban the use of cash. All paper money says it is legal tender for all debts, public and private.

-- Posted by quietmike on Fri, Oct 21, 2011, at 12:24 PM

This would just stimulate people's creativity.

There would be more barter and an increase in the number of check-cashing and ATM opportunities.

There are precedents for refusing some forms of legal tender as appropriate forms of payment in a given circumstances.

Cash transactions have been disallowed in other instances (as have checks,money orders and 'plastic').

People have even gotten on the bad side of the courts for trying to pay off debts with coins.

(For some strange reason,offering up support or suit payments in unrolled pennies can be interpreted as refusal to pay or contempt of court.)

-- Posted by quantumcat on Fri, Oct 21, 2011, at 1:55 PM

I see some of their reasoning in trying to stem the flow of stolen property, but this has way too much room for abuse.

The suspicious side of me is that they are trying to find a way to increase their sales tax. (They earned my skepticism and work hard to maintain it)

-- Posted by stevemills on Fri, Oct 21, 2011, at 4:03 PM

quietmike,

your are right, but since when has that mattered to LA. When goods were delivered after Katrina, they were on E-Bay by the time our trucks were out of sight.

-- Posted by Wolf Clan on Fri, Oct 21, 2011, at 5:55 PM

Steve, I think that your second paragraph is closer to the truth.

-- Posted by Tyger on Fri, Oct 21, 2011, at 8:46 PM

The way I see it , it is to discourage the "resale" of items. With the economy dropping like it has people have had to become more cost aware. They are more likely to buy used items, this is taking a bite out of the companies that produce the more expensive "new" stuff. Just one more way to kick the little guy. That single Mom who sells her used baby stuff more than once every month is a real threat now isn't she? Wouldn't want risk a stolen bootie getting over looked. Better not sell your produce at the road side family stand might not keep good enough records. Come on folks, you know if it works there it's going to spread!!! For every used item sold their is one item not making a profit for big business - there is one item out of their control.

-- Posted by wonderwhy on Fri, Oct 21, 2011, at 10:50 PM

Since government passed this I doubt it is to protect the profits of "big business". Instead it is likely to protect the states revenue from sales tax that goes uncollected.

-- Posted by quietmike on Sat, Oct 22, 2011, at 3:32 AM

wonderwhy, now I know for sure you drink the Kool-Aid (http://www.playdoughrecipe.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/kool-aid-playdough-recipe.jpg). That's some conspiracy theory you got there. Almost as good as the stuff a certain unique person offers up.

Now, before you get your knickers in a bunch, just some good natured ribbing. :)

-- Posted by Midnight Rider on Sat, Oct 22, 2011, at 10:48 AM

My knickers are just fine, I was blowing it out of proportion intentionally with the booties thing. I do think though that it is going extremely far. The way I read the bill it is so vague they could get some loon in there that would be wonkers enough to push it to that pettiness. These days the government is - both sides - capable of anything, and it is bills like this that just reinforce the lengths they will go to squeeze another penny out of the little guy, after all the rich aren't likely to be effected much since they do not have to economize with second hand items.

Oh and as for the play-dough stuff, I told the grand kids I would look that up, thanks for reminding me and doing so. Really I did tell them I would a few weeks ago. LOL Oh only the first part of your reference worked.

-- Posted by wonderwhy on Sat, Oct 22, 2011, at 3:47 PM

If the bill passes, there are so many ways to circumvent this. And, it is easy to see that the pawn shops were involved, now they can offer the lowest price for the item and get the highest back for it because all of their competition is now all but disappeared.

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Sat, Oct 22, 2011, at 5:20 PM

I don't know of anyone who is going to refuse cash dollars for their junk!

What is Big Brother going to do... put spies at every yard sale or flea market and who are they going to arest, buyer or seller or both? That would be an all day job for thousands of government workers.

The law MUST be definate and specific to be used against a smart Sovereign human being.

Speaking of that certain unique person you might want to keep your eyes on the Muslim Brotherhood. They are working the crowds in those Fed protest.

Back to no cash buys, how many people do you think do not have a bank account? IThere are a lot of people who don't have a bank account to write a check for stuff. Of course, that never stopped a lot of bad check writers.

Hell, look at the checks king Obama spends foolishly and it isn't even his money.

I read a headline today that said king Obama was planning on sending $60 Billion to Finland, if I remember it right. He spends so much illegal money that I don't even read the stories anymore.

Everyone can stop listening to me and listen to Ron Paul.

I will continue to say the Republicans are arguing with each other discouraging the people from voting for any of them. They are handing the 2012 election to king Obama.

I read where the Muslims are suing Governments and business owners left and right for speaking out against their head gear or their refusal to touch pork, bacon or eggs.

But we have something like no cash used for buying used items that is more important to worry about.

Soon it will all be done with the Mark of the Beast and no one will need any cash.

Once upon a time, in America, there was a recession and Inflation so bad that the banks din't have enough Gold to give back to the people who wanted to get their gold before it was all gone.

Pres. F.D.R. declared a Banking Holiday, made it a crime to hoard gold and insisted everyone turn their gold in the the banks and exchange it for federal reserve notes.

In order to trick the American people into turning their gold in he made it a punishable crime to keep their gold and anyone caught would be fined $10,000 and/or 10 years in prison.

He accomplished this by declaring a state of emergency. He repealed the War Powers Act giving the President power to avt without congress' consent. Then he declared the citizen of the United States and citizens in any place under its exclusive jurisdiction as the enemy any time the US was at war or in a state of emergency.

This country has been in atleast one state of emergency every since. ie we are at war with terrorists, U.S. is bankrupt, Huricanes, tonadoes, earthguakes, Flooding, Food shortages and no cash for buying used items, lol.

Just a matter of time before the US Dollar has to go and a one world currency or mark has to come out of the smoke of distruction.

All is going well! Good night everyone.

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Sat, Oct 22, 2011, at 9:31 PM

Evil Monkey, they already passed it. My guess the other states who want to gouge the lower income levels will be watching very close to see how it works out. If the republicans take the White House again we can be assured there will be many more bills like this one they passed that will pick what ever pennies the 99% have left to pick.

Unique you brought up an interesting point, there are a lot of people who do not have bank accounts. Lately there are a lot of people who are very unhappy with the banking system, many are pulling out of them. I know we dropped our "big" bank (Bank of America)and went completely with the local credit union, with hopes of converting to cash as much as possible. The bill that passed would make it almost mandatory to belong to a bank of some sort.

-- Posted by wonderwhy on Sun, Oct 23, 2011, at 10:17 AM

wonderwhy,

I was referring to the fact if this were to be passed in Tennessee. It is a ridiculous bill that should be against the civil liberties and double taxation.

-- Posted by Evil Monkey on Sun, Oct 23, 2011, at 11:48 AM

Amazing how easy it is to mandate the Amwerican people into doing almost anything!

Does everyone see just how easy it is for the government to make orders for the people to jump in line for.

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Sun, Oct 23, 2011, at 3:15 PM

More taxes generated for the government and more profits for those who control it. Sounds like a win/win situation to me. Actually, the revenuers have been very aggressive in the last few years, even going so far as to photograph license plates of cars who were selling at flea markets. Not to mention the state regulators who regularly inspect. This has happened to me in Tennessee, Alabama, and Kentucky.

On one hand, it is ridiculous, but to be fair, there are some who operate huge businesses skirting all tax liability. It is one thing to have a yard sale, but something quite different to sell lots of stuff without any intention of ever paying taxes.

-- Posted by memyselfi on Wed, Oct 26, 2011, at 2:43 AM

memyselfi, it sounds like you frequent flea markets. That might be an interesting subject for those who are considering it as a sales venue.

Maybe later?

-- Posted by stevemills on Wed, Oct 26, 2011, at 6:26 AM

Sure, I'll share what little I know if anyone is interested.

-- Posted by memyselfi on Thu, Oct 27, 2011, at 3:16 AM

Just think what will happen if Cain gets to be the new President and tax man.

The thing is, the President is in the Executive Branch of Government and doesn't have any power to Legislate Laws. That is Congress's job as the legislative Branch.

9-9-9 Taxes. That won't be any more constitutional than the existing codes.

Here is the bad side of it all.

Only COngress can lay and collect taxes. Congress gave that power to the IRS without the consent of the people.

Now let's look at the IRS. It is just an administrative business. The IRS has the authority to make up all its own codes and regulations governing it's administration. They must obey their own codes and regulations that they do create for the taxpayers. The IRS doesn't abide by their own rules and regulations.

I bet you didn't know that the main IRS offices have a back room in them where they hold their Tax Court.

Remember, the IRS is not in any Branch of Government, so they are only an Administration. An Administration can NOT adjucate in mattters of Law because they are not a Judicial Agency. The Tax Courts can only see to it that Administrative Precedures are/were followed.

You can not protect yourself in a Tax Court because it is not a court of Law. It is an Administrative mockery that determines just how much Tax you must pay.

Read you tax form this year where it says Privacy Act.

It asks, "who must pay taxes" then it answers with, "ANYONE who is MADE LIABLE for the Tax". With over 80 different Taxes in our Country, what Tax did you make yourself Liable for?

Income Tax is a tax on Income earned from a Trade or Business within the United States.

A Trade or Business? Did you make money from your own Trade or Business within the United States?

Within the United States is Washington, DC and Military bases and all other places ceded over to the Central Government. Air Ports, Shipping Ports, National Parks, Flood Lands, Eminent Domains, Islands an territoryies and 14th Amendment Citizens, but not the state you live in unless it has been ceded over to the federal government.

Wow, and every one is wondering what to do about paying sales tax on used items at their yard sale.

Did ya know they are not suppose to tax anything that is grown or manufactured in Tennessee. It is also a rule that they can not tax anything that is not consumed. They can not tax property either according to the US Constitution. ya right!

-- Posted by Unique-Lies on Sun, Oct 30, 2011, at 10:26 PM


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Steve Mills and his wife have one daughter and live on a farm outside of Bell Buckle. They previously owned two coffee/ice cream shops, currently operate an internet sales company and teach classes, but his primary job involves the paper industry worldwide. Hobbies and interests lie in gardening, photography, recorded music and of course, their pets.