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A court is being asked to make eBay & Paypal do WHAT for Ford?

Posted Wednesday, May 23, 2012, at 7:59 AM

I was planning a totally different blog this morning until I read my e-mails and saw this coming from eCommerceBytes:

"Ford Motor Co. wants eBay and PayPal to turn over data on 13 users the automaker accuses of selling fake or unlicensed Ford parts on the online auction site, including names, addresses and bank accounts - and won a court order blocking eBay and PayPal from revealing Ford's demand to the users targeted."

Today's courts are crazy enough to allow something like this so....hold on! Names, addresses and BANK ACCOUNTS? AND they don't want the businesses to be told?

Here is the rest http://www.auctionbytes.com/cab/abn/y12/...


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I am sure if the courts grant this, they will give Fords key names, address and bank accounts to the other side as well, right?

-- Posted by stevemills on Wed, May 23, 2012, at 8:03 AM

It is like the whole Amazon deal. Now, anytime you purchase anything from them, since we live in TN, they are required to send you a notice of how much tax you owe the state. Tennessee actually wanted the names, address, and purchase history of Tennesseans who buy or sell on Amazon. But instead, settled with just sending out the notices.

The last time that I sold, or at least tried to sell, something on ebay, I was contacted and told that my item was not allowed to be sold due the request of a company. That was several years ago though.

-- Posted by PrpleHze on Wed, May 23, 2012, at 10:45 AM

Amazon does not collect the tax but tells the buyer to pay Tennessee? I wonder how that works?

What you are probably referring to "not allowed to be sold due the request of a company" Is the VeRO program. (Verified Rights Owner) eBay has a very big target painted on them by certain VeRO companies and it has made eBay very "responsive" to their requests.

I warn students to be very responsive as well when or if they get a notice from eBay about a possible VeRO violation. DON'T respond to an e-mail though, go to eBay first, since this is a favorite phishing technique.

eBay purposely does not tell us a lot about what triggers a VeRO complaint. It could be the VeRO company or even a competitor or customer who thinks you are selling "knock-offs".

I strongly recommend new eBay sellers stay away from potential VeRO products when starting out and if they happen to get an item taken down by eBay, don't get stubborn and put it back up. You will lose your selling rights QUICKLY!

Two ladies who came to a class of mine from Goodlettsville did not heed that advice and they were removed from eBay entirely. Nothing I could do for them after that.

If someone is planning to sell VeRo items like designer jeans, purses, jewelry, watches, women's clothes, perfumes, etc they need to research the eBay system and learn all they can about methods to verify their product.

It is best to sell other items until they get comfortable with eBay and eBay gets comfortable with them. Sudden changes in product line, value of items, increases in sales etc., can all trigger eBay to limit your sales activity.

-- Posted by stevemills on Wed, May 23, 2012, at 11:40 AM

For Amazon, they send you an email stating how much tax you owe the state of TN and gives you the link to where you go to pay the taxes online.

As for eBay, I had sold items on there before such as some homeschooling books, and other items. But when I went to sell a CD, then I received an email from eBay and O.T.O. stating that I could not sell it. O.T.O told me that I could give it away, but still charge for the shipping. But eBay still would not allow it on there.

-- Posted by PrpleHze on Wed, May 23, 2012, at 12:23 PM

Once it has been flagged, eBay will err on the side caution.

eBay also does not like people selling "teacher's versions" of textbooks that have answers to standard tests.

-- Posted by stevemills on Wed, May 23, 2012, at 7:48 PM

I can not sell our Longine's Symphony record albums because of Longine's watches. I tried to argue the point but eBay search "spiders" would not stop kicking it out and it quickly became not worth the chance of losing our selling account.

-- Posted by stevemills on Thu, May 24, 2012, at 8:40 AM

Did someone mention the clunky eBay ...

Hmmm, some very interesting bidding patterns on this seller's eBay auctions; still, if it is criminal shill bidding, eBay, with their claimed "proactive" and "sophisticated" systems for detecting such criminal activity, would have done something about it by now, wouldn't they? After all, is it not the buyer that eBay is supposedly offering all their "buyer protection"? Sounds more like, come in sucker to me ...

The fact is, contrary to their claims, eBay has no systems in place to control shill bidding and they have in effect been aiding and abetting such criminal activity since the year dot ...

"Reality TV Star Accused of eBay Shill Bidding Sues Her Accuser"

http://www.auctionbytes.com/cab/abn/y12/...

"eBay Account Rep Defends Reality TV Star Accused of Shill Bidding"

http://blog.ecommercebytes.com/cgi-bin/b...

A spreadsheet analysis of about five percent of this merchant's recently completed auctions; form your own conclusion as to whether or not, on the balance of probability, it is shill bidding and whether or not eBay is complicit in such criminal activity ...

http://bit.ly/MJlM6b

eBay introduces absolute anonymity for (shill) bidders

http://forums.auctionbytes.com/vbulletin...

eBay-Facilitated Shill Bidding Fraud on eBay Auctions: Case Study #1

http://forums.auctionbytes.com/vbulletin...

eBay / PayPal / Donahoe: Dead Men Walking

-- Posted by PhilipCohen on Thu, May 24, 2012, at 11:38 PM

OK Phil, now you've done it. :-)

I don't know if you will ever come back to this post, but some day maybe you will share with us what eBay did to tick you off so much that you have search services troll the internet for ANY mention of eBay so you can take the opportunity to bash it.:@

In fact, I am going to spend a little time trying to figure that out. OK, I'm done. :-)

By no means does eBay always make me happy, but REALLY. I suspect you might have "followers" who help you in your quest to bash the Bay.

Actually, I may make a separate blog that baits you in so I can ask. Since most of your posts are not really on topic, I wonder if you will read the post, or copy and paste your most recent blurb, without realizing that I am asking you a direct question.

Hopefully, you will share with us which internet marketplace is better to sell on, not just list. Now that would be a constructive comment, because I am always looking for something better.

Seriously, come back. :-)

-- Posted by stevemills on Fri, May 25, 2012, at 6:41 AM


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Steve Mills and his wife have one daughter and live on a farm outside of Bell Buckle. They previously owned two coffee/ice cream shops, currently operate an internet sales company and teach classes, but his primary job involves the paper industry worldwide. Hobbies and interests lie in gardening, photography, recorded music and of course, their pets.