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The first presidential debate. Did you see/hear it? Your thoughts?

Posted Friday, October 5, 2012, at 5:00 PM

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I was teaching a class that night and not able to watch it. For those of you who did see it, what do you think?


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OK, for those who want to continue on the discussion here, have at it.

For others, we have the VP debate tonight so I will start one for that now, so someone can jump right on it.

-- Posted by stevemills on Thu, Oct 11, 2012, at 1:14 PM

The main issue is the economy and the fix is not BIGGER and BIGGER government and more freebies that cost the tax payers more and more. History has shown that to grow the economy you lower the taxes.

But of course you can't cut taxes and keep giving stuff away.

-- Posted by justwanaknow on Wed, Oct 10, 2012, at 9:58 PM

I think it's getting interesting. I can't wait to hear how Romney's polygamist ancestry makes him immoral, even though he's only ever been married to one woman, while Obama's polygamist ancestry is beyond reproach. Somebody better let the Dems know that Harry Reid is also Mormon because according to "let's be real" that means he thinks women are second class citizens.

My main interaction with Mormons has been when they have graciously allowed me to use their genealogy libraries free of charge. These libraries were mostly staffed by women, probably as volunteers, who did not appear trapped or abused nor did they try to get me to join their faith. I had a female classmate who was Mormon in high school. She did not drink, smoke or consume caffeine. That was strange compared to other people but it was not exactly a reason to ostracize her. I never noticed any whip marks on her either.

-- Posted by cortnerkin on Tue, Oct 9, 2012, at 11:55 PM

Steve, maybe this blog has gone far enough. Can we get back to the basics of what the debate did or did not accomplish? Maybe go ahead and start a new one.

-- Posted by decorate1956 on Tue, Oct 9, 2012, at 10:40 PM

I saw Jesus at Hooters last night, and he said he was going to vote for Romney. I asked him why and he said "because Obama has been worshiping at the feet of all those Christian hating Hollywood devils every since he got in office."

-- Posted by Grits on Tue, Oct 9, 2012, at 7:10 PM

Obama's grandfather (4 wives) and great grandfather (5 wives) were both polygamists. His father might as well have been. Mitt Romney has not attacked Obama's religion and you won't hear it from me either. Attack Mitt Romney's religion if you think that will get you where you need to go, but there is a saying about people in glass houses and stone throwing. What if Mitt Romney was Jewish or Muslim? What would you have to say about those religions? Maybe you can explain to us why your religion is so much better than everybody else's. Afterword, I can probably point out how your religion has mistreated women in the past and condoned slavery in the past.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/o...

-- Posted by cortnerkin on Tue, Oct 9, 2012, at 5:56 PM

And let me add this.If Obamas ancestors had fled America to prevent prosecution from pleural wives, he would be considered immoral.If Romneys religion is the core of his life why wont he talk about it.It is also going to reflect in his policies.Especially the ones concerning women.

-- Posted by lets be real on Tue, Oct 9, 2012, at 5:10 PM

It has been a discussion of religion since Obama has been president.He is a christian but has been labeled a muslim by the right for the last 4 years. Videos of his ex pastor were played over and over. So why is Romneys religion off limits.Who said Obama is losing.Remember the right dont believe the polls. Debates dont change how people vote.Thousands have already voted.We have 28 days to go and a lot can happen.

-- Posted by lets be real on Tue, Oct 9, 2012, at 11:39 AM

This really does not need to be a discussion of religion and most of us probably have very little knowledge of Mormonism. Not that Wikipedia is an ultimate source of accurate information but here is a link to look at women in the Mormon religion. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_and_M...

Bringing up religion could also revive the comments surrounding Mr. Obama, so... if this all that is left to say about the debate, I or one of my fellow bloggers can start a discussion on some other aspects of the campaign.

-- Posted by stevemills on Tue, Oct 9, 2012, at 8:55 AM

Wow, another denigration of Mormons from the ever tolerant left. Obama's been lying to us since before he got elected. Romney didn't deny everything he'd been saying. He simply pointed out that Obama's interpretation of what he'd been saying was wrong.

-- Posted by cortnerkin on Tue, Oct 9, 2012, at 12:57 AM

Obama's worst problem, and why he is losing, is: lying about his lies, and then jumps on a taxpayer plane, and flys away from his lies.

-- Posted by Grits on Mon, Oct 8, 2012, at 8:37 PM

I got a request but when I clicked on it I was told it was no longer valid. If that was you cortnerkin, I afraid it did not go through.

I have two identities on Facebook, One is for business and the other is for bedfordtradingpost. If that was you, it came in one the business I.D.

It should work for either, but try the other, just in case.

-- Posted by stevemills on Mon, Oct 8, 2012, at 8:01 PM

Does republicans believe Romney really got a bounce since they think polls are "rigged".I am liberal and a christian.How can Romney restore values to america when mormons consider women second class.Ann Romney had breast cancer and he wants to cut planned parenthood which provide cancer screening for thousands of women.People with high morals do not lie over and over.He denied everything he said in the last 18 months during the debate.When he talks about getting tougher on Iran, he will not say how.America does not want or need to get into another war.I also pray for our country.

-- Posted by lets be real on Mon, Oct 8, 2012, at 6:10 PM

OK. Steve, I sent you a FB request.

-- Posted by cortnerkin on Mon, Oct 8, 2012, at 5:02 PM

no facebook account for me / trying to stay neutral and speak as openly, honestly and respectfully as this blog allows for our freedom of speech --- not liberal by any means --- very conservative and proud to live my life as a Christian / praying our moral values can be restored in this great country we were blessed to be born in...excited for November and the change Romney will bring!

-- Posted by decorate1956 on Mon, Oct 8, 2012, at 1:49 PM

A small bounce per Gallup.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/157907/romney...

I actually thought Biden's speech at the DNC was far better than Obama's, and he has a long career as a politician (ie he should be poster boy for term limits). They're resting him up now. I wouldn't make the mistake of underestimating him. He so prone to gaffes, people tend to kind of ignore them at this point. Ryan tends to do well in face to face discussions, but I want him to prepare.

@decorate1956, I left my email for you at the end of the last thread regarding the DNC. Mainly wanted to see if you wanted to connect on Facebook if you use it. If you don't that's cool too. The invite goes for Grits as well. I don't tend to discuss politics on FB anyway. My liberal friends are pretty thin skinned.

-- Posted by cortnerkin on Mon, Oct 8, 2012, at 8:31 AM

I hope Mr. Biden is more intelligent than his public appearances imply since as you say, he is second in line.

Has the debate changed the polls? I only catch snippets of news during the day and that has not been addressed.

-- Posted by stevemills on Mon, Oct 8, 2012, at 7:38 AM

"uncle Joe' always comes across as a babbling puppet [can you imagine him having to step into the president's role and be "our" leader; I can't] / no clue to what is really going on / just drawing an automatic paycheck and trying to be the biggest bully he can be / time is going to show and tell who has our interest at heart. watch and see Thursday night

-- Posted by decorate1956 on Mon, Oct 8, 2012, at 6:53 AM

Romney was better organized and better prepared and was more Presidential. Obama strongly relied on trying to evoke emotional responses by bringing up teachers, kids, his grandmother and his typical millionaires and billionaires rhetoric while Romney hammered on jobs and growing the economy. Romney was ready for Obama to challenge him on Romneycare in MA. Compared to Romney, Obama was frankly boring. Romney was passionate but respectful. They both had some factual stretches (see link below). I've heard plenty of "buts" as well blaming John Kerry, the moderator, Obama's skin color, Romney's handkerchief and Al Gore suggested it was the altitude. This is typical of the Obama administration in that they always seek to blame someone else. No matter how unimaginable it is that "the one" could have lost. He did lose and he has to own it. Even the Obama throne sniffers at MSNBC and Huffpo acknowledged he lost. Now it's up to Uncle Joe Biden to save the day.

http://factcheck.org/2012/10/dubious-den...

-- Posted by cortnerkin on Mon, Oct 8, 2012, at 4:07 AM

I was curious what the "national media" had to say about the debate, so I searched "romney obama who won" and surprisingly came up with few articles that approached it from that standpoint. Maybe it is just second page news now.

I purposely avoided any direct candidate sites and looked for known national news reporters. Surprisingly few took a stand on won/lost and the ones who said Romney won were the Obama campaign folks? Of course, they had a "but" comment. Well, actually they had several.

Both camps accuse the other of lying and the numbers they have support it, but after 40+ years of watching campaigns and seeing how numbers and research can be skewed, probably both were telling the truth and both were lying. It just depends on who you WANT to believe.

So..., I see debates as an opportunity to experience what the candidates are like under direct pressure, so we can then draw conclusions on how they will be under the pressures of the job.

Without the "buts", who looked more presidential? It sounds like Romney.

-- Posted by stevemills on Sun, Oct 7, 2012, at 11:02 AM

Obama's handlers and baby sitters forgot to tell him he was at a debate. About the only hope for Obama is to implant a teleprompter in his head. I'm sure there is plenty of empty room in Obama's head for a teleprompter.

-- Posted by Grits on Sat, Oct 6, 2012, at 5:16 PM

Romney wants to increase the military by 20% because he is just itching to go to war.We dont know what he is going to cut and he wont tell us.At first he said he stood by his 47% remark now he said he didnt mean it.He meant every word,he just didnt mean for the rest of america to hear how he really feels.What you say behind closed doors is really how you feel.If he does win and start a war you can bet not one of his sons will be going just like their father refused.Just wait till more Romney tax returns appear and america see where his money is invested like Chinese Oil for one.Top republicans in America want the country to fail under Obama.One top republican even calls him lazy while Romney doesnt have a job.Romney may have a hard time winning since all the corrupt voter ID laws are being struck down and all legal americans over 18 can vote.Higher courts know that these laws are unamerican.

-- Posted by lets be real on Sat, Oct 6, 2012, at 1:07 PM

The truth always speaks volumes over any inflated promise. My prayer for each and every one of us is to have peace, security and be able to support ourselves without the dependecy of government. May God bless all of us with understanding for each other and what we have facing us with changes and promises to come; from whoever is placed as our leader. My prayer is still for Mitt Romney to have his chance to change our current direction in a positive manner, that is in accordance with the will of God.

-- Posted by decorate1956 on Sat, Oct 6, 2012, at 12:01 PM

How many times in say the last 6 elections has any Presidential candidate actually brought his promises to fruition? Obama was fairly non-descript in how he would create Hope and Change,and we have had little of either one.Now we have Romney touting a tax plan he cannot or will not explain.That could be the reason for Obama's frequent toothy grins because he remembers his own 2008 campaign promises that have not materialised.As far as the employment numbers go, wait until after the election to see the real truth.

-- Posted by mdstover on Sat, Oct 6, 2012, at 11:12 AM

And your views tell more of your attitude than facts; which is what most of the problem solving is about in our country -- attitude instead of facts. The funding to PBS [if that is what you are referring to] is argueable at the least. Yes I love Big Bird and my kids did, too. Romney asked, "is it worth borrowing the money from China to have" --- what do you think? I think I would like to see my children and grandchildren and future greats... out of the financial bondage to any other country. And no, PBS is not going to solve the whole picture, it will take many more cuts and you and I both know we can throw words back and forth over this blog and never accomplish a thing. We all need someone to stand for us and start making the right and moral decisions to stop this train wreck Obama has his heels dug into.

-- Posted by decorate1956 on Sat, Oct 6, 2012, at 9:28 AM

Repeating the same lies over and over and bullying the moderator does not look presidential.

He wont even embrace the 7.8% unemployment.He can put the 8% to rest now.First the republicans think the polls were fixed now its the unemployment numbers are fixed.When the polls are in Romneys favor they are right. When the unemployment rate was above 8% it was right.Now that it is getting lower it is wrong.Romney did not answer any questions about what he will cut.It is still a big secret.I think Obama let him hang hisself and rant and rave while He was steady taking notes.Why would anyone want to cut PBS.How can any american not be happy over the economy getting better.

-- Posted by lets be real on Sat, Oct 6, 2012, at 9:22 AM

Yes Romney "looked" the part,if you respect rudeness and lies. He may have bullied his way on stage but his information was just short of nuts. Obama looked to be holding back laughter. They say Obama had a few more seconds of speaking time, but do not mention that every time he spoke Romney interrupted, weaseling into Obama's time. They say Obama was 'unprepared" but think which Romney was he supposed to prepare for , Romney changes his views like normal people change their underwear, a new one everyday. It was fun to watch as Romney made his views of the day known and will be interesting to see how he gets around the flip flopping. His words have already started being fact checked and they are trying to cover him for them as we speak. Two thoughts -- 1 why he is he so willing to cut programing to our younger citizens but not the multi - millionaires? 2- why does he need a 20% increase in military that the military says it does not need? Who is he drooling to go to war with? If he were to do the right thing and end the wars not start new ones,use military to protect not attack he would not need the huge increase. This man will say or do anything to get his new toy - America - to tear apart and destroy. We are nothing more than one more Bain experiment to him - How much richer can he get off us, who can he sell us off to to fill his off shore accounts with the profits from ? Trusting him is about as smart as giving the back robber the key to the safe.

-- Posted by jstus on Sat, Oct 6, 2012, at 9:06 AM

I watched and listened very carefully to each one's comments to each other and to us. I remain confident Romney is the best leader of the two. The comments from Romney show he has the ambition to take control of a runaway train. His comment to Obama of "your way or the highway" said volumes for the way Obama has operated as the president.

Check your memory and the facts and see if you find that the first two years plus were spent on the choices almost totally of Obama, Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi. And go back and count the number of times "the jets" have left town for the Obamas and Pelosi. What better use could that money have been spent on?

And, don't forget the BILLIONS of dollars spent on the failed "green" companies. How many teachers could be working today if that money had been invested in education?

You cannot tell me that a decision for a leader, and especially a sitting president, should be decided on the current promises that "he will work even harder for us the next four years". He would have to work harder, if he works at all instead of playing golf, to beat the last four years. He certainly has not made the right choices so far. He has, however, taken the credit for all the good things that have been accomplished by our defense leaders and the men and women serving our country. And remember when you are deciding your vote, Obama plans to cut big money from our defense. Who's going to protect us then?

-- Posted by decorate1956 on Sat, Oct 6, 2012, at 7:32 AM

I totally understand. I was making a buck at the same time as well. :-)

-- Posted by stevemills on Sat, Oct 6, 2012, at 6:03 AM

To be fair, it was the Obamas's anniversary and it may have been too much to expect him to perform twice in one night. It was decidedly obvious who was in charge of the debate stage that night though. The difference for Obama now is that he actually has a record to defend. The best part of the night was watching the apoplectic MSDNC(MSNBC) commentators lose their minds after it was over. Looking forward to the VP debate.

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/cu...

-- Posted by cortnerkin on Sat, Oct 6, 2012, at 2:01 AM

Mr. Obama was completely lost without his precious teleprompter.

-- Posted by Tim Lokey on Sat, Oct 6, 2012, at 12:54 AM

When Obama was a senator in Congress, he voted "Present" on every bill presented. He had no record to defend because his handlers told him to keep his nose clean. I think he voted "Present" again.....He thinks he has won the election and doesn't want to give anyone ammunition to use against him.

-- Posted by caligal on Fri, Oct 5, 2012, at 10:09 PM

I watched the debate. I think Obama was stunned by the Romney that showed up and reversed everything he has said in the last 18 months.He has many faces

-- Posted by lets be real on Fri, Oct 5, 2012, at 8:35 PM

Sorry but I missed it. I was busy counting the change in my penny jar.

-- Posted by leeiii on Fri, Oct 5, 2012, at 5:15 PM


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Steve Mills and his wife have one daughter and live on a farm outside of Bell Buckle. They previously owned two coffee/ice cream shops, currently operate an internet sales company and teach classes, but his primary job involves the paper industry worldwide. Hobbies and interests lie in gardening, photography, recorded music and of course, their pets.