Vice Presidential debate. Your thoughts?

Hospitals only have to do the minimum needed to stabilize you - know a man who had to have emergency heart surgery - they did it and sent him home, he was not given access to any follow up care - Tenn care turned him down and the doctors wanted 500.00 and a credit report up front to see him . He lost his job because the employer did not want to be responsible for future heart problems. Someone mentioned 4 dollar heart meds well without a doctor to prescribe them they are not available. This mans only health care was ER services, had he been able to afford a doctor he would never had needed the surgery ( he worked at an entry level income no benefit available) - so instead of the expense of a doctor ( we were charges 170 to be seen for an ear ache after insurance imagine a heart specialist) the state ended up getting charged for two life flights and multiple ER visits leading up to emergency surgery, and ER visits afterwards due to instances that would have other wise been addressed in a office call. HE has not been able to return to work , nobody hires a heart patient who is not released from a physician and has panic attacks out of fear of repeat heart issues. He is uninsurable, unemployable, and can not get Tenncare. He is stuck. With health care,his condition could have treated and stabilized before it became the drastic condition it did, thus avoiding the situation he is in now. HE always enjoyed and took pride in working. I am not calling him a victim, reality is what it is. Would you hire him? Would you insure him? ( not personally but a person in his position) In this economy there are more than enough healthy workers nobody want a liability.

Technically an American embassy is American soil. So the last terrorist attack on American soil was one month ago by Al Qaeda. I don't know that the whole purpose of being in Afghanistan was to kill Bin Laden. I would not consider the lives of 2000 American young people worth Bin Laden alone if we do not have some other reason for being there. I'm in agreement regarding spending. Republicans constantly champion smaller government, but it inevitably grows under their control. The fact that Democrats are up front in their desire to grow government and raise taxes says something I guess.

The two wars were bipartisan, at least at the beginning. The financial crisis had its origins long before Bush became president as well. It all comes back to blame Bush. Who will Obama blame for the economy he has in 2013 if he wins re-election? Bush, most likely.

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Apparently you've been under a rock the last four years. How would you not know this if you are such a supporter of Obama. The king of Saudi Arabia == the man most linked as the money behind a radical Islam. It should have been a handshake, just as the other world leaders did / but then they are not Barak "Hussein" Obama. It was in poor taste as a representative of our country.

Always remember, they are one heartbeat away.

There is nothing wrong with getting stimulus money . Tennessee has gotten some. But dont stand up and lie about it as Ryan did.Obama did not know which Romney would show up.He has many faces.How can you get a perscription with out regular doctor visits. Without insurance doctors will not see you unless you pay cash first.One visit is around $200 or more.

Wrong - of course that's my opinion and you have yours. Bowing down surely does not show respect. It shows weakness.

The next Obama/Romney debate should be "extra" interesting, given the first one. Sounds like a new topic to explore. (with a new post, not here)

Republicans applauded Romney when he was a rude bully in the firsr debate.Biden just tangled Ryan up in his own lies and didnt let him get away with it.Ryan is a hippocrate. He complained about the stimulus but asked for stimulus money for his state.Ryan gave no details on taxes or tell the full truth about his medicare plan.Romney stated that thanks to hospitals americans who lack insurance dont have it so bad and people dont die in thier apartments because of no insurance. Mr Romney yes they do.I am in the medical field and I see lots of people come into the hospital for strokes from unable to buy blood pressure medication with no insurance or having long stays for things that could have been prevented avoided by having insurance for doctor visits.Romney does not care for the middle class. Obama has passed fair wages for women, taken out more terrorist than any other president, passed healthcare,given lots of middle class tax breaks,need I go on. I take home more since he has been in office.Abortions is not the only issue for women . Romney will cut planned parenthood. That means no cancer screening for millions of women without insurance.But he doesnt care since they are in the 47%.

I was being facetious. Roe v Wade has weathered multiple Republican administrations and while I appreciate and am in agreement with your perspective jaxspike, I don't see abortion as being a deciding issue for non-committed voters this time around. Obamacare is according to Biden "a big effing deal" and in my mind a more immediate issue. I favor repeal and replace. Sorry if I gave offense.

Last time I checked abstinence was free and condoms can also be obtained for free at the health department. This has nothing to do with Obamacare or whatever silly talking point you are trying to get across.

I don't understand why women should be having abortions anyway . . . are they just too stupid or lazy to use contraception or just not have sex until they are ready to have children? Abortion seems like the kind of answer you get for people who don't want to take responsibility for their actions.

Last night we saw a man and a boy on stage.Biden gave Ryan a spanking.Ryan is not ready to be president. Ryan is no match against Bidens knowledge and experience.Ryan has admitted that the Romney/Ryan tickets faith will affect their policys.I hoped every women in America saw how he will rule on womens health.They will take women back to the 1940s.AS for their views on foreign policys, if they win and start another costly war,they need to send billionairs sons and daughters first as well as his own.Most of the talk about Libya is political, did Bush see 911 coming. It was not only 4 americans killed it was 3,000.And speaking about the deficit, Ryan voted for all deficit spending under Bush.The deficit didnt matter then.Now lets talk about medicare.Under Romney you will get a little voucher to take to a insurance company and buy a plan.How much will it cost a 70 year old with pre-existing conditions?Seniors will be paying as much as $6,400 more out of pocket a year.And thats only if they can find a company that will insure them.

Neither candidate won this debate but at least Ryan is good with numbers while Biden gives us "malarkey" and "stuff". I will take the nerd with the pocket protector (Ryan) over the village idiot (Biden) any day.

The two performances so far (with one to go) only resemble actual "debate" in the loosest sense of the word. WHile it would be nice to see an actual debate, these are as close as we will get to having an opportunity to evaluste the candidates' plans for their administrations. Partisan declarations of winners and losers in these "debates" predictably dovetail with their partisan stances. Here is what I have seen so far, theatrical considerations aside.

Both sides recognize the budget deficit as a problem.

Both have actually declared that their intent is to increase the amount of taxes paid by the wealthy. The Democrats' plan is to do this by increasing the tax rate on the top earners. The Republican method is by reducing the tax rate and eliminating deductions which apply primarily to the wealthy. The problem is that these "deductions" to be eliminated remain a closely guarded secret. Stretching credulioty even further, they will supposedly be arrived at by bipartisan agreement. Anyone who believes that the tax breaks for the wealthy would be reduced by even a single party congress is living in a fantasy world. So the only part of either plan likely to pass congress is the reduction in tax rates, reducing revenues. Reducing revenues is seldom the answer for a business losing money, likewise it will not reduce our budget deficit. So score a slight edge to the Democrats for living in the real world. For those trumpeting the idea that somehow lower taxes will stimulate spending, let me remind you of the effectiveness of the stimulus cash gifts... the only spending they stimulated was larger bonuses for the top executives in the largest corporations. Business is pragmatic, and the only thing that stimulates business spending is the opportunity to make more money. Our economy will follow the world economy, just like everyone else's.

When it comes to cutting spending, both sides are living in a fantasy world. The Democrats' talk of applying the "savings" from disengaging from combat opperations in the Middle East is ridiculous. Reducing an expenditure is not the same thing as receiving revenue, especially when that expenditure was being paid for with debt to begin with. The Republican proposal to defund PBS was insulting. The money involved is so insignificant that it would require a similar sut to be discovered every 2 hours, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year to reduce the deficit. It is akin to trying to save a failing business by reducing the use of paper clips. Any CEO in a similar situation who even wasted his time discussing paper clips would be fired. On the Democrats side we have Obamacare. Partisan predictions as to its effect are, well.. partisan. It remains to be seen how it will work out in reality. At least there was an attempt to address a real issue. The Republican medicare "plan" is a sick joke. So many people have told me it is the "only plan that will save medicare." That is ridiculous. It is no plan at all. Essentially this administration will do nothing. Cuts are planned not for the winners of this election to make, nor for the winners of the next election, but for the late stages of the admninistration elected in the election after that. All this "plan" shows is their estimation that people under 55 are not close enough to medicare to really care. I will give them credit for this much, I think they nailed that part. But when those people are closer to 65, do you honestly think they will stand by and have medicare changed? If the Republican plan for medicare is good enough for my children, it ought to be good enough for me, and promising to make changes during an administration still 3 election cycles removed is intellectully dishonest. If it werent for the comments on "war savings" I would give the Democrats a slight edge again. But the truth is, neither side seems to have a grasp over how to reduce a deficit.

now i have to go feed the animals. I doubt anyone is interested, but I will finish my analysis later.

I think Ryan reminds me of a cross between Eddie Haskell and Eddie Munster, very creepy guy. But what's worse, is that much like Sarah Palin, Ryan has shown that he's in way over his head and is in no way ready to be a heartbeat away from being President. Joe Biden, on the other hand, shows why he would be totally qualified to be President. The Romney/Ryan ticket is looking like a joke.

He might of been off his meds or maybe he'd dipped into someone else's meds or maybe the moderator was making funny faces at him.

I was expecting a much stronger attack from Biden and was a bit taken back by things he found humorous. Was he trying to belittle what Ryan was saying or did I miss something humorous?

It wasn't the slam dunk Republicans might have hoped for either, so ..... maybe the Titans game was a viable alternative.

They're both Catholic, and to my knowledge, neither have any family history of polygamy so maybe that won't be an issue on this thread.

OK it's like this: In this corner we have a silly snicklesnot sneering snorkelsnit named Pee Wee Ryan. And in this corner we have a dinkle donker, diddling dweebish, and dorky dummybot named Joker Biden. May the leftwing mommy moderator muddle and cuddle through the night, and the two potatobators go home, and hide under their beds, until the election is over.